The Race Card

[Mullens123]

She's not lying though. Generally in society the view has been adopted that black people, particularly black women are aggressive without it ever really being backed up with proof. Granted Hannah and Deborah could display anger like any other individual, but the fact is they'll be demonised a lot of the time before they've even had their first argument. If you look at comments on YouTube or Facebook from the first week there were people calling them hoodrats, ghetto and even one saying "loud angry and wig wearing"... and this was at a point where the vast majority were saying they'd not even made the highlights shows. The same thing happened to Toya, Adjoa and Natalie. Undoubtedly both Natalie and Toya had big fights and blow ups, but considering their fights were against equally 'aggressive' people like Hughie and Ash, who received cheers and positive receptions off the audience shows the inequality and existing racism within modern british society. People can deny it but it's just illuminated by someone like Adjoa being a first evictee and getting such an awful response whilst male housemates who threatened women manage to make it far and receive praise. I mean I even find myself in situations where a conflict arises and I'll speak up and suddenly told I have "the attitude" as if every black person universally holds some awful aggressive side... Kieran could walk up and shove Deborah, but lord knows if she shoves him back people would be baying for her 'aggressive' race card playing blood.

[ChristmasNeeve]

She's not lying though. Generally in society the view has been adopted that black people, particularly black women are aggressive without it ever really being backed up with proof. Granted Hannah and Deborah could display anger like any other individual, but the fact is they'll be demonised a lot of the time before they've even had their first argument. If you look at comments on YouTube or Facebook from the first week there were people calling them hoodrats, ghetto and even one saying "loud angry and wig wearing"... and this was at a point where the vast majority were saying they'd not even made the highlights shows. The same thing happened to Toya, Adjoa and Natalie. Undoubtedly both Natalie and Toya had big fights and blow ups, but considering their fights were against equally 'aggressive' people like Hughie and Ash, who received cheers and positive receptions off the audience shows the inequality and existing racism within modern british society. People can deny it but it's just illuminated by someone like Adjoa being a first evictee and getting such an awful response whilst male housemates who threatened women manage to make it far and receive praise. I mean I even find myself in situations where a conflict arises and I'll speak up and suddenly told I have "the attitude" as if every black person universally holds some awful aggressive side... Kieran could walk up and shove Deborah, but lord knows if she shoves him back people would be baying for her 'aggressive' race card playing blood.

Great post, spot on

[ethanjames]

Still bitter that Christian didn;t get through tbh. He was my fave by a bloody mile/ I remember when Sara was put through and I was like..wtf shes rubbish compared to others who were turned down. I believe it was the first live show that she changed my mind :D But I was like that with Diana Vickers too...thought she was a bad pick at judges houses then the first live show she was amazing...

Christian was easily the best singer especially in the male category which was surprisingly weak (though freddy is my fave) and I have know idea how honey g and bratavio got through and he didn't!!!

[Vicky.]

She's not lying though. Generally in society the view has been adopted that black people, particularly black women are aggressive without it ever really being backed up with proof. Granted Hannah and Deborah could display anger like any other individual, but the fact is they'll be demonised a lot of the time before they've even had their first argument. If you look at comments on YouTube or Facebook from the first week there were people calling them hoodrats, ghetto and even one saying "loud angry and wig wearing"... and this was at a point where the vast majority were saying they'd not even made the highlights shows. The same thing happened to Toya, Adjoa and Natalie. Undoubtedly both Natalie and Toya had big fights and blow ups, but considering their fights were against equally 'aggressive' people like Hughie and Ash, who received cheers and positive receptions off the audience shows the inequality and existing racism within modern british society. People can deny it but it's just illuminated by someone like Adjoa being a first evictee and getting such an awful response whilst male housemates who threatened women manage to make it far and receive praise. I mean I even find myself in situations where a conflict arises and I'll speak up and suddenly told I have "the attitude" as if every black person universally holds some awful aggressive side... Kieran could walk up and shove Deborah, but lord knows if she shoves him back people would be baying for her 'aggressive' race card playing blood.

I think its more sexism than racism tbh. Men get away with stuff far more than women do on BB.

[ethanjames]

She's not lying though. Generally in society the view has been adopted that black people, particularly black women are aggressive without it ever really being backed up with proof. Granted Hannah and Deborah could display anger like any other individual, but the fact is they'll be demonised a lot of the time before they've even had their first argument. If you look at comments on YouTube or Facebook from the first week there were people calling them hoodrats, ghetto and even one saying "loud angry and wig wearing"... and this was at a point where the vast majority were saying they'd not even made the highlights shows. The same thing happened to Toya, Adjoa and Natalie. Undoubtedly both Natalie and Toya had big fights and blow ups, but considering their fights were against equally 'aggressive' people like Hughie and Ash, who received cheers and positive receptions off the audience shows the inequality and existing racism within modern british society. People can deny it but it's just illuminated by someone like Adjoa being a first evictee and getting such an awful response whilst male housemates who threatened women manage to make it far and receive praise. I mean I even find myself in situations where a conflict arises and I'll speak up and suddenly told I have "the attitude" as if every black person universally holds some awful aggressive side... Kieran could walk up and shove Deborah, but lord knows if she shoves him back people would be baying for her 'aggressive' race card playing blood.

exactly well done!!!!

[ChristmasNeeve]

I think its more sexism than racism tbh. Men get away with stuff far more than women do on BB.

White women do get away with being labelled aggressive as much or as quickly as black women though tbf

[Vicky.]

White women do get away with being labelled aggressive as much or as quickly as black women though tbf

Well yes, BUT, BB have a habit of only casting stereotypical black women. Ones who do actually fit the aggressive angry person slot. **** knows why they do this. Adjoa didn't seem to fit the mould tbf, but I couldn't warm to her because of her constant pussy talks and that (and I wouldn't warm to a guy who spoke that way either)

[Christmas Dynasnow]

White women do get away with being labelled aggressive as much or as quickly as black women though tbf

tell that to Scottish women

[ChristmasNeeve]

tell that to Scottish women

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[Peppermint]

This girl is ridiculous

[Vicky.]

Fairly certain I would be labelled aggressive if I was on the show. even when just speaking I tend to be very loud D: and I am horrendous when in full blown argument mode. And I swear a lot in general too. And would have no issue using the dreaded 'c word' towards someone as I use it often :S

I would be hated within minutes I reckon :(

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Fairly certain I would be labelled aggressive if I was on the show. even when just speaking I tend to be very loud D: and I am horrendous when in full blown argument mode. And I swear a lot in general too. And would have no issue using the dreaded 'c word' towards someone as I use it often :S

I would be hated within minutes I reckon :(

you would be draped all over Lotan in a sickening showmance

[Vicky.]

you would be draped all over Lotan in a sickening showmance

Ew no thanks. I don't tend to like 'pretty boys' :laugh:

[Samm]

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[iRyan]

Some black people grew up in segments of society that interact differently, what is deemed "aggressive" by white people may not be deemed as such in their own community. I don't blame a black woman for refusing to be walked over or disregarded by a white man or woman.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Some black people grew up in segments of society that interact differently, what is deemed "aggressive" by white people may not be deemed as such in their own community. I don't blame a black woman for refusing to be walked over or disregarded by a white man or woman.

Some black people grew up in segments of society that interact differently


say what?

[Captain.Remy]

Has she watched Helen Wood in BB15?
She was mad extra and aggressive, and wasn't black (unless I missed something?)

She is full of sh!t, she knows she is dry and boring so she creates drama and tries to make herself relevant. I used to like the sisters but now they are abusing.

YES honey, you were hella extra and mad for no reason.

[ThriceShy]

you would be draped all over Lotan in a sickening showmance

Are people on here still pretending that Lotan is straight?:laugh:

[Vicky.]

anyone aggressive black or white gets voted off, no one likes aggressive people no matter what colour they are

Just seen this, skimmed the thread before. Bloody Helen won the show and was possibly the most aggressive housemate we have ever had :/

[bots]

Just seen this, skimmed the thread before. Bloody Helen won the show and was possibly the most aggressive housemate we have ever had :/

Helen was just misunderstood ..... ask Brian :hehe:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Has she watched Helen Wood in BB15?
She was mad extra and aggressive, and wasn't black (unless I missed something?)

She is full of sh!t, she knows she is dry and boring so she creates drama and tries to make herself relevant. I used to like the sisters but now they are abusing.

YES honey, you were hella extra and mad for no reason.

So? the point was that it takes a lot more for white women to be labelled as aggressive than it does a black woman and Helen was a raving monster :laugh:

[number37]

If " 10 million people telling me I am aggressive" are telling you that ( which I somehow doubt unless you have 10 million friends on Facebook) & while having an argument you are shouting & being aggressive then you probably are coming across as a tad aggressive ? No ? FFS !! Zero to do with skin tone..... it`s being aggressive me thinks she played the race card too early , could have saved it for later in the game.

[starry]

So? the point was that it takes a lot more for white women to be labelled as aggressive than it does a black woman and Helen was a raving monster :laugh:

Didn't Helen have immunity, that kind of helps you keep in the house.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Didn't Helen have immunity, that kind of helps you keep in the house.
Yeah she would have been out week 1 otherwise, shame

[Captain.Remy]

So? the point was that it takes a lot more for white women to be labelled as aggressive than it does a black woman and Helen was a raving monster :laugh:

So my point is that Hannah is pulling the race card as if only black women are targeted and only considered as aggressive. Where did she get that assumption that it takes more for white women to be labelled as such? She's living in her bubble.

The problem her is that if many people tell her she's aggressive, then she might has to check herself and label herself as aggressive. She should stop with the conspiracy racists theories. She's aggressive, point blank.

Helen might have been the biggest raging housemate we ever had, but at least she was consistant and ran the house. While all Hannah does is complain and pull the race card whenever someone confronts her. Watch her pulling it many other times someone disagrees with her.

[Jamie89]

I thought what Hannah said was totally reasonable tbh. She wasn't calling anybody a racist, and she made a point of saying she wasn't putting it on Rebecca, she was just explaining how it makes her feel to be labelled as aggressive, and her skin colour (and stereotypes) is a part of why it makes her feel that way (and this thread alone has posts that show she's justified in feeling that way)... so there simply wouldn't have been a way for her to explain her feelings without mentioning race (and isn't explaining your feelings just a normal way of resolving an argument). It would have been different if she was saying 'you're calling me aggressive because I'm black' but that's not what she was getting at at all. There is a stereotype of the angry black person whether people acknowledge skin colour or not, and the answer of 'she shouldn't show aggression then' is no good because she shouldn't have to be held to different standards because of a stereotype that's imposed on her. Sometimes people are aggressive, black or white, but yes black people tend to be more harshly judged for it and it's the unfairness of that which caused Hannah to bring it up.

I don't think it's 'playing a race card' just because someone mentions race, especially when there's context to it and they've got a point to what they're saying. I actually think that some people just hear race being mentioned and jump straight to the race card card (it's a thing :laugh: ) without thinking about why it's brought up in the first place (again, she wasn't being accusatory so it wasn't about trying to call anyone a racist). If anything it was probably quite brave of her to mention it because she's probably aware enough to know the race card accusations would follow.

[Marsh.]

but she's right she's going to be voted out and disliked because she's aggressive

So maybe she needs to work on not being aggressive?

[Captain.Remy]

So maybe she needs to work on not being aggressive?

AMEN! Someone with common sense.
Who the hell cares if she's black or not? She was wrong and aggressive.
Again, if everyone is telling you that you have an issue, stop being stubborn and look at yourself and your flaws. There is nothing wrong with it.

[Marsh.]

I think this point is better made by not being aggressive whilst actually making it?

This.

The woman could be making a valid point but instead she is part of the problem as it's people like her perpetuating the stereotype.

It would be like Marco from BB5 giving a passionate speech about how he finds it offensive that gay people are portrayed in the media as effeminate and loud.

[Captain.Remy]

This.

The woman could be making a valid point but instead she is part of the problem as it's people like her perpetuating the stereotype.

It would be like Marco from BB5 giving a passionate speech about how he finds it offensive that gay people are portrayed in the media as effeminate and loud.

Yep. Watch her complain on her eviction interview that she was misunderstood and playing the victim. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Merry Mockmas]

So my point is that Hannah is pulling the race card as if only black women are targeted and only considered as aggressive. Where did she get that assumption that it takes more for white women to be labelled as such? She's living in her bubble.

The problem her is that if many people tell her she's aggressive, then she might has to check herself and label herself as aggressive. She should stop with the conspiracy racists theories. She's aggressive, point blank.

Helen might have been the biggest raging housemate we ever had, but at least she was consistant and ran the house. While all Hannah does is complain and pull the race card whenever someone confronts her. Watch her pulling it many other times someone disagrees with her.

One argument where she got mouthy doesn't make Hannah aggressive imo, we've all got angry and raised our voices at some point in our lives, does that make all of us aggressive?

Imo Helen had to say alot of vulgar things in arguments to be labelled as aggressive, where as Hannah's only had one argument where she raised her voice and is already getting the label, this is where the race issue will always be debated when there's not as much room for them to breathe when it comes to arguments.

[Captain.Remy]

One argument where she got mouthy doesn't make Hannah aggressive imo, we've all got angry and raised our voices at some point in our lives, does that make all of us aggressive?

Imo Helen had to say alot of vulgar things in arguments to be labelled as aggressive, where as Hannah's only had one argument where she raised her voice and is already getting the label, this is where the race issue will always be debated when there's not as much room for them to breathe when it comes to arguments.

In the context of the argument, she had no reason to behave like this and overreact and pull out the stereotype thing. Is this how she defends herself whenever something doesn't go the way she likes? Some people play on it way too much, to come accross as a victim and make their point valid.

So yes, she was aggressive, no matter how many arguments she has been/not been part of, imo.

[Merry Mockmas]

In the context of the argument, she had no reason to behave like this and overreact and pull out the stereotype thing. Is this how she defends herself whenever something doesn't go the way she likes? Some people play on it way too much, to come accross as a victim and make their point valid.

So yes, she was aggressive, no matter how many arguments she has been/not been part of, imo.

Well tbf it seems like Lotan likes winding Hannah up going by what she said in the Diary Room, so we don't know if she just reached breaking point with him (like we all do if someone keeps pissing you off) but Ch5 didn't seem to show the buildup to her blowing up.

And Rebecca definitely played the fragile blonde girl role against Deborah, I really don't like Rebecca's gameplan of playing the weak girl routine against people, Ellie's the same.

[Marsh.]

One argument where she got mouthy doesn't make Hannah aggressive imo, we've all got angry and raised our voices at some point in our lives, does that make all of us aggressive?

Imo Helen had to say alot of vulgar things in arguments to be labelled as aggressive, where as Hannah's only had one argument where she raised her voice and is already getting the label, this is where the race issue will always be debated when there's not as much room for them to breathe when it comes to arguments.

It only takes once to be aggressive though.

It takes getting to know someone properly and seeing them over time to label someone an actual "aggressive person". But that doesn't take away that in that one instance, she was aggressive.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I thought what Hannah said was totally reasonable tbh. She wasn't calling anybody a racist, and she made a point of saying she wasn't putting it on Rebecca, she was just explaining how it makes her feel to be labelled as aggressive, and her skin colour (and stereotypes) is a part of why it makes her feel that way (and this thread alone has posts that show she's justified in feeling that way)... so there simply wouldn't have been a way for her to explain her feelings without mentioning race (and isn't explaining your feelings just a normal way of resolving an argument). It would have been different if she was saying 'you're calling me aggressive because I'm black' but that's not what she was getting at at all. There is a stereotype of the angry black person whether people acknowledge skin colour or not, and the answer of 'she shouldn't show aggression then' is no good because she shouldn't have to be held to different standards because of a stereotype that's imposed on her. Sometimes people are aggressive, black or white, but yes black people tend to be more harshly judged for it and it's the unfairness of that which caused Hannah to bring it up.

I don't think it's 'playing a race card' just because someone mentions race, especially when there's context to it and they've got a point to what they're saying. I actually think that some people just hear race being mentioned and jump straight to the race card card (it's a thing :laugh: ) without thinking about why it's brought up in the first place (again, she wasn't being accusatory so it wasn't about trying to call anyone a racist). If anything it was probably quite brave of her to mention it because she's probably aware enough to know the race card accusations would follow.

This really sums it up best, I think. I think it's remarkable for a black woman to articulate these feelings to a bunch of white people who really have no perspective on life other than their own, but like....... good luck gaining any traction with that logic on this show and with this audience.

[Marsh.]

Yes, the best way to combat stereotypes on black women, make some of your own about white women. Nice job.

[Vicky.]

This.

The woman could be making a valid point but instead she is part of the problem as it's people like her perpetuating the stereotype.

It would be like Marco from BB5 giving a passionate speech about how he finds it offensive that gay people are portrayed in the media as effeminate and loud.

:D Exactly.

I had forgotten about Marco. He of knocking his own mother out and flapping like a seal about ladygarden TVs. I ****ing hated him but loved him at the same time

[Marsh.]

:D Exactly.

I had forgotten about Marco. He of knocking his own mother out and flapping like a seal about ladygarden TVs. I ****ing hated him but loved him at the same time
:joker: