The Race Card

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:

[Samm]

but she's right she's going to be voted out and disliked because she's aggressive and black sorry bout it

we've seen it multiple times on this show

[Jake.]

yeah not agreeing with them at all

they were being aggressive and that's fact

[Headie]

Told you so :joker: :xyxwave: :elephant:

[Samm]

this thread is going to have 10 pages by midday tomorrow

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[Cherie]

but she's right she's going to be voted out and disliked because she's aggressive and black sorry bout it

we've seen it multiple times on this show

Did they get one nomination?

[Marc]

Messy

[Shaun]

It's a fair point - it's constantly going to play on a black girl's mind that they're going to be edited into a certain stereotype, and dismissed as nothing else.

Did they get one nomination?

Think they got 1 each, maybe one of them got 2 idk. Definitely were both nominated at least once though.

[Niamh.]

I see where they're coming from tbf black women are always labelled aggressive the minute they have an argument, way quicker than the white girls would be

[Pete.]

but she's right she's going to be voted out and disliked because she's aggressive and black sorry bout it

we've seen it multiple times on this show
But... but... Brian won?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see where they're coming from tbf black women are always labelled aggressive the minute they have an argument, way quicker than the white girls would be

I think this point is better made by not being aggressive whilst actually making it?

[Amy Jade]

but she's right she's going to be voted out and disliked because she's aggressive and black sorry bout it

we've seen it multiple times on this show

Not at all. Deborah was one of my favourites but she was aggressive. Her skin colour is irrelevant.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Memo to Sampvt: you called it

[Shaun]

I think this point is better made by not being aggressive whilst actually making it?

So never ever get angry otherwise you'll be a stereotype?

[Lstan]

I see where they're coming from tbf black women are always labelled aggressive the minute they have an argument, way quicker than the white girls would be

Pretty much. (also, hi hon! :hee:)


this thread is going to have 10 pages by midday tomorrow

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Indeed :facepalm: (also not ignoring the irony of my post contributing to that)

[Niamh.]

So never ever get angry otherwise you'll be a stereotype?
Seems to be the case

[Tom4784]

As soon as it happened I just knew someone was going to complain about the 'race card'. I just knew it.

[Headie]

It's a fair point - it's constantly going to play on a black girl's mind that they're going to be edited into a certain stereotype, and dismissed as nothing else.



Think they got 1 each, maybe one of them got 2 idk. Definitely were both nominated at least once though.

You don't understand how happy this post makes me as a POC, at least some people are willing to listen even when the point is being made in an OTT way

[Samm]

Not at all. Deborah was one of my favourites but she was aggressive. Her skin colour is irrelevant.

not denying that she wasn't shouty but you don't see many white females labeled aggressive that much, was mainly saying how the pubic would evict hannah because she was shouty when let's say someone like charlotte crosby who is often shouty and argumentative won the show

[Headie]

I see where they're coming from tbf black women are always labelled aggressive the minute they have an argument, way quicker than the white girls would be

Yep - Deborah had hardly opened her mouth and Rebecca was already throwing the label out

[Crimson Dynamo]

As soon as it happened I just knew someone was going to complain about the 'race card'. I just knew it.

Sampvt called it ages ago. Pay attention

[Northern Monkey]

She was Inb4 TIBB with that race card :laugh:

[Jordan.]

Trust you to be triggered :facepalm:

[Headie]

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You called her a "toya tosser" on day 1 ****

[Samm]

Sampvt called it ages ago. Pay attention

nothing new he's always out here calling black female housemates aggressive

[Crimson Dynamo]

So never ever get angry otherwise you'll be a stereotype?

Maybe not at nothing, no or you rather add to it

Just saying....

[smudgie]

She got called aggressive, she was aggressive:shrug:

[Jason.]

Tbf, has anybody else been called aggressive during an argument apart from Hannah/Deborah?

I don't remember Sukh being called aggressive during any of her arguments, nor Kayleigh when she went off at Arthur that time. Mind you there's been like 100 arguments this series so I've probably forgotten.

[Cherie]

It's a fair point - it's constantly going to play on a black girl's mind that they're going to be edited into a certain stereotype, and dismissed as nothing else.



Think they got 1 each, maybe one of them got 2 idk. Definitely were both nominated at least once though.

They are not up though, they ruined it themselves by being angry and aggressive and roaring about being Nigerisn when they are from East London :laugh:

I thought they were playing a good game yesterday

[Lstan]

As soon as it happened I just knew someone was going to complain about the 'race card'. I just knew it.

Indeed. The usual suspects too lol :laugh:

[armand.kay]

Literally the moment any black girl gets upset on this show they are labeled as grumpy and aggressive but lets just ignore that to stop white viewers from feeling uncomfortable...
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[Cherie]

Tbf, has anybody else been called aggressive during an argument apart from Hannah/Deborah?

I don't remember Sukh being called aggressive during any of her arguments, nor Kayleigh when she went off at Arthur that time. Mind you there's been like 100 arguments this series so I've probably forgotten.

Kayleigh was called all the names under the sun :laugh:

[Drew.]

I probably would have called her behaviour aggressive, same as i have done for a few other housemates this series, Kieran included and he's white.. imagine being accused of being a racist for that though? There was never enough in that for her to pull out the race card

[Amy Jade]

not denying that she wasn't shouty but you don't see many white females labeled aggressive that much, was mainly saying how the pubic would evict hannah because she was shouty when let's say someone like charlotte crosby who is often shouty and argumentative won the show
Plenty of white mounthy girls have gone super early though and labled as aggressive, like Sallie for instance.

I get what you mean that some will just label her 'an angry black girl' but not everyone. I can honestly, hand on heart tell you neither of their races matter to me and I hadn't even thought about it until Hannah mentioned it

[Jason.]

Kayleigh was called all the names under the sun :laugh:

Inside the house

[Crimson Dynamo]

Literally the moment any black girl gets upset on this show they are labeled as grumpy and aggressive but lets just ignore that to stop white viewers from feeling uncomfortable...
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Er. No

[smudgie]

Kayleigh was called all the names under the sun :laugh:

So has Suhkvinder.
They all get called out for whatever they do.

[Samm]

They always act the same way. And then wonder why they are stereotyped.

trust you to make an appearance

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[Niamh.]

Yep - Deborah had hardly opened her mouth and Rebecca was already throwing the label out
Rebecca knows exactly what she's doing too.she did the same to sukhvinder the minute she mentioned racism "oh here we go" eventhough Sukhvinder was only responding to Rebeccas comment

[Crimson Dynamo]

Indeed. The usual suspects too lol :laugh:

Please don't discuss members or you could get infractions or a ban by mods in this thread like say dezzy

[Cherie]

Inside the house

Rebecca's has just been called a dickhead call the police

[Amy Jade]

I probably would have called her behaviour aggressive, same as i have done for a few other housemates this series, Kieran included and he's white.. imagine being accused of being a racist for that though? There was never enough in that for her to pull out the race card

This is a great point.

Tom and Keiran have both been called aggressive.

[Headie]

I probably would have called her behaviour aggressive, same as i have done for a few other housemates this series, Kieran included and he's white.. imagine being accused of being a racist for that though? There was never enough in that for her to pull out the race card

That's the thing though, she never called anyone racist. She said as a black girl she's more likely to be stereotyped as aggressive than the other girls in the house, which is true.

[Headie]

This is a great point.

Tom and Keiran have both been called aggressive.

By people on here though, not the housemates.

I consider most people on here to be pretty woke

[Jason.]

Rebecca's has just been called a dickhead call the police

idgi

[Lstan]

Please don't discuss members or you could get infractions or a ban by mods in this thread like say dezzy

Im not discussing members tho. But thanks by your concern :hee:

[Shaun]

Rebecca knows exactly what she's doing too.she did the same to suckhvinder the minute she mentioned racism "oh here we go" eventhough Suckhvinder was only responding to Rebeccas comment

Forgot about that. Wasn't it Rebecca that compared racism to her "no hiring without makeup" policy?

[Northern Monkey]

'Aggressive' now a new racist slur?

I'm not avin it til it gets a new dictionary definition

[Drew.]

That's the thing though, she never called anyone racist. She said as a black girl she's more likely to be stereotyped as aggressive than the other girls in the house, which is true.

Not in so many words but she more or less said Rebecca was calling her aggressive because she was black, she was pretty much hinting at that..

[Niamh.]

Forgot about that. Wasn't it Rebecca that compared racism to her "no hiring without makeup" policy?
Yup, Rebecca is sly

[ThriceShy]

Can anyone name a black female BB contestant who wasn't aggressive?

Genuine question. I can't remember one.

[MrWong]

That's the thing though, she never called anyone racist. She said as a black girl she's more likely to be stereotyped as aggressive than the other girls in the house, which is true.

Worth quoting again.

As this thread is bound to go off topic and turn nasty before being locked.

[Jason.]

Can anyone name a black female BB contestant who wasn't aggressive?

Genuine question. I can't remember one.

Makosi, Vanessa, Gina

[Ant.]

Makosi, Vanessa, Gina

+ Adjoa

[ThriceShy]

That's the thing though, she never called anyone racist. She said as a black girl she's more likely to be stereotyped as aggressive than the other girls in the house, which is true.

Why is she more likely to be stereotyped as that?

[Shaun]

can't recall Sylvia being aggressive either (but then I can't recall her at all, lol)

oh and Allison Hammond lol

[Lstan]

Can anyone name a black female BB contestant who wasn't aggressive?

Genuine question. I can't remember one.


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Can we not. Please and thank you.

[Headie]

Makosi, Vanessa, Gina

+ Adjoa

and Lateysha, Zoe, Heaven, Rachael, Rachel, Jo, Ife, Allison, Melanie...

[Samm]

melanie hill was such an aggressive monster!

[Beso]

Debs to win.

[Glenn-C]

Can anyone name a black female BB contestant who wasn't aggressive?

Genuine question. I can't remember one.
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[Amy Jade]

Can anyone name a black female BB contestant who wasn't aggressive?

Genuine question. I can't remember one.

Loads.

Mel
Alison
Adele
Amma
Anoushka
Vanessa
Makosi
Smelly Dawn

Literally just ip to series 7 0 aggrasive black gals actually more aggresive white girls!

[armand.kay]

All she did was mention her experience as a black woman to explain why things like that upset her so much.

[ThriceShy]

melanie hill was such an aggressive monster!

She was passive aggressive. Who can forget her getting Darren to change his nomination with her tears after she overheard the nomination in the diary room.

[Tom4784]

Sampvt called it ages ago. Pay attention

Not your best bait.

[Ant.]

and Lateysha, Zoe, Heaven, Rachael, Rachel, Jo, Ife, Allison, Melanie...

Biannca, Toya (albeit confrontational)

[armand.kay]

She was passive aggressive. Who can forget her getting Darren to change his nomination with her tears after she overheard the nomination in the diary room.

I cant believe I ever thought black girls were unfairly labeled as aggressive... turns out the ones i thought were nice were actually just passive aggressive.

[MrWong]

She was passive aggressive. Who can forget her getting Darren to change his nomination with her tears after she overheard the nomination in the diary room.

Still limping on with that lame argument even though multiple non aggressive black girls were just named?

Such an obvious troll.

[armand.kay]

and Lateysha, Zoe, Heaven, Rachael, Rachel, Jo, Ife, Allison, Melanie...

All stood up for themselves... very aggressive i almost called the police.

[Samm]

I cant believe I ever thought black girls were unfairly labeled as aggressive... turns out the ones i thought were nice were actually just passive aggressive.

poor our zoe birkett the passive aggressive lady!

[Daniel-X]

This is gonna have like twelve pages before it's closed isn't it

[Headie]

I don't get why race is such a touchy subject, black people are more than happy to talk about it but white people get really defensive over it, shouldn't it be the other way round? :laugh:

[Lstan]

All she did was mention her experience as a black woman to explain why things like that upset her so much.

Indeed I dont see what all the fuss is about.

[ThriceShy]

Still limping on with that lame argument even though multiple non aggressive black girls were just named?

Such an obvious troll.

Makosi and adele were named. Two of the most aggressive housemates ever.

It is all rather subjective.

But you have to ask yourself. Why such a stereotype exists? Was it just made up? Hannah seems well aware of it as she is the one that brought up race.

[Daniel-X]

But yes Hannah was aggressive as was Deborah, but it's interesting as pointed out that Sukh/Kayleigh/Kieran etc who have all acted aggressive too (AND Lotan did during that argument) didn't get called aggressive.

So yes Hannah was aggressive but idk I can see where she's coming from at the same time.

[armand.kay]

I don't get why race is such a touchy subject, black people are more than happy to talk about it but white people get really defensive over it, shouldn't it be the other way round? :laugh:

Like how are we meant to get anywhere if every time a black person wants to talk about their experience they reaction they get is "STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD YOU'RE WRONG RACISM DOESN'T EXIST"

[Mystic Mock]

People might not like hearing it but Hannah and Deborah were being called aggressive because they're black.

Was they being argumentative? Yes, but was they being aggressive? For me no, I saw more aggression from Chanelle and Kieran the night before but conveniently Lotan and Rebecca never commented on that from what we've seen.

[Daniel-X]

Don't think she was playing 'the race card' as such either, just observed something and jumped to conclusions but I don't think she was vying for sympathy and calling the others racist.

[Jason.]

Makosi and adele were named. Two of the most aggressive housemates ever.


Lmao when was Makosi ever aggressive?

[Lstan]

Don't think she was playing 'the race card' as such either, just observed something and jumped to conclusions but I don't think she was vying for sympathy and calling the others racist.

MTE

[armand.kay]

People might not like hearing it but Hannah and Deborah were being called aggressive because they're black.

Was they being argumentative? Yes, but was they being aggressive? For me no, I saw more aggression from Chanelle and Kieran the night before but conveniently Lotan and Rebecca never commented on that from what we've seen.

I agree. No one is saying that the housemates are racist but are we really going ignore the fact that racial stereotypes sometimes effect how we perceive people.

[Daniel-X]

Mess @ Kosi being aggressive. She was just a wind up merchant

[Northern Monkey]

Where does this stereotype stem from?What started it?

[sampvt]

:facepalm:

lt jump back 3 days, did i not predict this would happen ?????????

[Greg!]

Makosi and adele were named. Two of the most aggressive housemates ever.

It is all rather subjective.

But you have to ask yourself. Why such a stereotype exists? Was it just made up? Hannah seems well aware of it as she is the one that brought up race.

How is Makosi aggressive sis?

[Mystic Mock]

Can anyone name a black female BB contestant who wasn't aggressive?

Genuine question. I can't remember one.

Makosi, Vanessa from the same year, Sylvia was more of a bitchy Housemate than argumentative/aggressive in BB9, Heaven was a victim of arguments in BB12 rather than seeking them. And tbf Deborah and Hannah have only had one argument so far.

That's about it from what I can think of.

[Tozzie]

but she's right she's going to be voted out and disliked because she's aggressive and black sorry bout it

we've seen it multiple times on this show

anyone aggressive black or white gets voted off, no one likes aggressive people no matter what colour they are

[armand.kay]

anyone aggressive black or white gets voted off, no one likes aggressive people no matter what colour they are

Conor left the house to cheers and with half the prize fund.

[Tozzie]

I see where they're coming from tbf black women are always labelled aggressive the minute they have an argument, way quicker than the white girls would be

don't agree, can't stand anyone aggressive, aggressive has no colour

[jennyfromtheblock8]

They used aggression to try and convey they were not aggressive.

[Jason.]

Oh and let's not forget Traci Bingham if we're adding CBB to the mix

[Tozzie]

As soon as it happened I just knew someone was going to complain about the 'race card'. I just knew it.

because it gets on some peoples tits when colour comes into it, like it or not some coloured people have chips on their shoulder about colour and bring the subject up themselves, even that black bloke on BBots said she shouldn't have done that

[Greg!]

Makosi, Vanessa from the same year, Sylvia was more of a bitchy Housemate than argumentative/aggressive in BB9, Heaven was a victim of arguments in BB12 rather than seeking them. And tbf Deborah and Hannah have only had one argument so far.

That's about it from what I can think of.

Not the evil aggressive vanny mcintosh!
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[Tom4784]

don't agree, can't stand anyone aggressive, aggressive has no colour

Doesn't really matter whether you agree that it exists or not, it's like debating whether or not air exists.

Black people will oftwn be deemed aggressive far quicker than white people. A prime example in this series alone is Kieran, a white male, that literally insinuated that he might have been violent towards Chanelle if she was a man didn't get a reaction from BB or other HMs but now after one blowout, the sisters will likely be tarred with the 'aggressive' label both inside the house and out.

[armand.kay]

literally a black girl has one bad day and they are evicted to boos, Helen terrorises her housemates all series and is given the crown.... hmm

[HBIC]

Makosi and adele were named. Two of the most aggressive housemates ever.

It is all rather subjective.

But you have to ask yourself. Why such a stereotype exists? Was it just made up? Hannah seems well aware of it as she is the one that brought up race.
In what world was Makosi ever aggressive? She even stayed calm when Saskia said "people like you always have a chip on their shoulder" to HER FACE.

[Tozzie]

That's the thing though, she never called anyone racist. She said as a black girl she's more likely to be stereotyped as aggressive than the other girls in the house, which is true.

it's not true in my view, people need to stop seeing colour and seeing people instead, people of colour included

[Jason.]

It's funny how Makosi is deemed as aggressive when Saskia was literally more ABW than the actual two black women in the BB6 house

[Mystic Mock]

I agree. No one is saying that the housemates are racist but are we really going ignore the fact that racial stereotypes sometimes effect how we perceive people.

Stereotypes exist, and for people to deny that Hannah has been stereotyped is wrong imo.

[Lstan]

Doesn't really matter whether you agree that it exists or not, it's like debating whether or not air exists.

Black people will often be deemed aggressive far quicker than white people. A prime example in this series alone is Kieran, a white male, that literally insinuated that he might have been violent towards Chanelle if she was a man didn't get a reaction from BB or other HMs but now after one blowout, the sisters will likely be tarred with the 'aggressive' label both inside the house and out.

There is defo an "angry/agressive black women" stereotype which is prevalent which ironically even some have bought up in this thread which is clearly what she was referring to. While she was shouting and being emotional it came across as more fustration than agression but I know some will disagree with me, everyone sees things differently.

[Crimson Dynamo]

lt jump back 3 days, did i not predict this would happen ?????????

Look back I credited you with the prediction

100% Oracle

[Tom4784]

because it gets on some peoples tits when colour comes into it, like it or not some coloured people have chips on their shoulder about colour and bring the subject up themselves, even that black bloke on BBots said she shouldn't have done that

This is so problematic, you are basically saying 'it's okay for me to generalise like this because one black person on BBOTS thinks it too!'

Why shouldn't she have brought it up? It was fine for Rebecca to mention the R-word a few days ago but Hannah and Deborah can't do so without damnation and accusations of the race card? You are an example of what's wrong with society and why issues of race will never be resolved while attitudes like yours exist. Too many white people are quick to shut down discussions of race unless it's on their terms.

[Tom4784]

literally a black girl has one bad day and they are evicted to boos, Helen terrorises her housemates all series and is given the crown.... hmm

Another prime example.

[sampvt]

Look back I credited you with the prediction

100% Oracle

sorry mate, im on morphine so probably missed it, lol.

[armand.kay]

It's funny how Makosi is deemed as aggressive when Saskia was literally more ABW than the actual two black women in the BB6 house

This is the double standard Hannah was talking about tom can have tantrums where he throws things, Joe can get up in people's faces and demand respect, kieran can throw threats at people and sukhvider can blow up on people daily but the girls get into one argument and Rebecca want to call them aggressive?

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is the double standard Hannah was talking about tom can have tantrums where he throws things, Joe can get up in people's faces and demand respect, kieran can throw threats at people and sukhvider can blow up on people daily but the girls get into one argument and Rebecca want to call them aggressive?

Sorry are you saying that we somehow said kieron wasn't aggressive?

[Lstan]

This is the double standard Hannah was talking about tom can have tantrums where he throws things, Joe can get up in people's faces and demand respect, kieran can throw threats at people and sukhvider can blow up on people daily but the girls get into one argument and Rebecca want to call them aggressive?

Same with bear.

[Northern Monkey]

Rebecca was on the receiving end.If she saw aggression then should she not be allowed to say anything?

[Mystic Mock]

Sorry are you saying that we somehow said kieron wasn't aggressive?

Kieran and Chanelle got off much more lightly with their Jigsaw vs Rocky showdown than Deborah and Hannah have tonight by Rebecca racially stereotyping them.

[Tozzie]

This is so problematic, you are basically saying 'it's okay for me to generalise like this because one black person on BBOTS thinks it too!'

Why shouldn't she have brought it up? It was fine for Rebecca to mention the R-word a few days ago but Hannah and Deborah can't do so without damnation and accusations of the race card? You are an example of what's wrong with society and why issues of race will never be resolved while attitudes like yours exist. Too many white people are quick to shut down discussions of race unless it's on their terms.

what a load of tosh, if many peoples attitudes were like mine no one would see colour so please don't patronise me, if you knew me personally you wouldn't be saying this about me. What is wrong with society is black people as well as white people seeing colour. I saw the man on BBots colour because he talked about it!

[Withano]

I actually watched this and thought she was making a cheap shot to get her voice heard, but when people on tibb are calling hms like Makosi aggressive?? Maybe she has a point....

And then there are a hell of a lot of examples of aggressive white people getting away with a hell of a lot. Does make ya think.

Was she aggressive? Somewhat. Have other hms been more aggressive recently and not got called any names of the sort. Yep. Does this make the race card justifiable? Probably yeh.

[Tozzie]

I actually watched this and thought she was making a cheap shot to get her voice heard, but when people on tibb are calling hms like Makosi aggressive?? Maybe she has a point....

And then there are a hell of a lot of examples of aggressive white people getting away with a hell of a lot. Does make ya think.

Was she aggressive? Somewhat. Have other hms been more aggressive recently and not got called any names of the sort. Yep. Does this make the race card justifiable? Probably yeh.

she wouldn't let anyone else get a word in

[Mystic Mock]

Rebecca was on the receiving end.If she saw aggression then should she not be allowed to say anything?

Rebecca was saying it before Deborah was even getting angry.

Rebecca's playing the Jale/Jason Burill game, play victim, and I hope it doesn't work.

[Caravan]

I still can't get over when Ife Kuku got hated for raising her voice one time. Denying the negative bias towards black women in BB internationally is ignorant.

[Withano]

she wouldn't let anyone else get a word in

I dont see what relevance this has to my point?

[rusticgal]

[QUOTE=Mystic Mock;9361252]People might not like hearing it but Hannah and Deborah were being called aggressive because they're black.
.[e/QUOTE]


She was not being called aggressive BECAUSE she is black...she was being called it because she WAS being aggressive. Why did she have to bring her skin colour into it?

[Caravan]

I actually watched this and thought she was making a cheap shot to get her voice heard, but when people on tibb are calling hms like Makosi aggressive?? Maybe she has a point....

And then there are a hell of a lot of examples of aggressive white people getting away with a hell of a lot. Does make ya think.

Was she aggressive? Somewhat. Have other hms been more aggressive recently and not got called any names of the sort. Yep. Does this make the race card justifiable? Probably yeh.

Holy hell we agree for once :laugh:

[Tom4784]

what a load of tosh, if many peoples attitudes were like mine no one would see colour so please don't patronise me, if you knew me personally you wouldn't be saying this about me. What is wrong with society is black people as well as white people seeing colour. I saw the man on BBots colour because he talked about it!

People who say 'I don't see colour' are part of the problem. They aren't progressive by saying so, they are just trying to ignore the problem. Saying 'I don't see colour' doesn't make the issue of imbalance of perception between races disappear.

[Withano]

Holy hell we agree for once :laugh:

Have we disagreed more than once?! Youve only made 24 posts haha. I'm not that bad, promise.

[Tozzie]

I dont see what relevance this has to my point?

because I wanted to talk to you! :laugh:

[armand.kay]

Sorry are you saying that we somehow said kieron wasn't aggressive?

no I'm not saying tibb I'm saying the people in the house. Hannah was called aggressive by kayleigh before this argument even happened

[Northern Monkey]

So I'm still in the dark.

Why is this a stereotype?

[Withano]

because I wanted to talk to you! :laugh:

Wow, we're like, official now. Bffs

[Mystic Mock]

[QUOTE=Mystic Mock;9361252]People might not like hearing it but Hannah and Deborah were being called aggressive because they're black.
.[e/QUOTE]


She was not being called aggressive BECAUSE she is black...she was being called it because she WAS being aggressive. Why did she have to bring her skin colour into it?

Aggressive imo is getting up in someone's face like Darnell did to Rachel Rice in BB9 during the time when the house was split in half, and Dale had to come to her defense of all people because Darnell was squaring upto her.:shocked:

Then we have what happened when Chanelle did knock Kieran's hat off his head, and spitting at him, that's aggressive. Kieran also saying that he'd knock her out if she was a guy is also aggressive.

Deborah and Hannah raising their voices when being provoked is not aggressive imo, otherwise 99.99% of the planet are aggressive if that's the case.

Hannah in particular doesn't come off as aggressive to me, she's awkward in general, but not aggressive and I don't even like Hannah very much, but that is a harsh claim.

[Tozzie]

People who say 'I don't see colour' are part of the problem. They aren't progressive by saying so, they are just trying to ignore the problem. Saying 'I don't see colour' doesn't make the issue of imbalance of perception between races disappear.

so you rather people 'see'colour then and not people? hmmmmm, when I say see colour I mean I don't think anything if I see a black, brown, white or yellow person, I just listen to a person ....you keep trying twist what I'm saying, thats not good

[Mystic Mock]

so you rather people 'see'colour then and not people? hmmmmm, when I say see colour I mean I don't think anything if I see a black, brown, white or yellow person, I just listen to a person ....you keep trying twist what I'm saying, thats not good

What about if you saw an orange person like Ellie?

[Northern Monkey]

so you rather people 'see'colour then and not people? hmmmmm, when I say see colour I mean I don't think anything if I see a black, brown, white or yellow person, I just listen to a person ....you keep trying twist what I'm saying, thats not good

I agree.To most people it's not even an issue.We're all just people.

[smudgie]

so you rather people 'see'colour then and not people? hmmmmm, when I say see colour I mean I don't think anything if I see a black, brown, white or yellow person, listen to a person you keep trying twist what I'm saying, thats not good

I think it depends where you live, some areas don't see it and others do.:shrug:

[Caravan]

Many of the people calling the sisters aggressive supported Helen :idc:

[Mystic Mock]

Many of the people calling the sisters aggressive supported Helen :idc:

Well here's a Helen fan that's defending the Sisters.

[Tozzie]

What about if you saw an orange person like Ellie?

well that proves I don't see colour coz I never noticed she was orange until you brought it up Mocky haha

[Tom4784]

so you rather people 'see'colour then and not people? hmmmmm, when I say see colour I mean I don't think anything if I see a black, brown, white or yellow person, I just listen to a person ....you keep trying twist what I'm saying, thats not good

I'd rather people acknowledge issues of race rather than trying to brush it under the carpet by saying 'I don't see colour'. That doesn't solve the problem, that's just refusing to acknowledge it's existence.

[Lstan]

Many of the people calling the sisters aggressive supported Helen :idc:

:omgno:

Caravan spilling that tea.

[Tom4784]

5qArvBdHkJA

[Mystic Mock]

well that proves I don't see colour coz I never noticed she was orange until you brought it up Mocky haha

Haha, I always notice the muddy Orange people.:laugh:

[rionablue]

:facepalm:

Totally wrong. She may have problems in the outside world because of her race but none of the housemates treat her any differently. She was WRONG. I found both sisters totally aggressive tonight with stupid points they were shouting about I wouldnt mind a double eviction with both of them out next if I am honest and it has NOTHING to do with colour. They are totally annoying and wont let anyone speak to them without harping on and on

[Northern Monkey]

I mean obviously everyone can see race unless they're blind but why do we have to make it an issue?Most people irl Dont.

[Tom4784]

I mean obviously everyone can see race unless they're blind but why do we have to make it an issue?Most people irl Dont.

Because it is an issue and ignoring it doesn't solve anything.

[Tozzie]

Because it is an issue and ignoring it doesn't solve anything.

but why does it have to be an issue, the only issue is the people making it an issue :shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

I mean obviously everyone can see race unless they're blind but why do we have to make it an issue?Most people irl Dont.

Brexit?

[rusticgal]

[QUOTE=rusticgal;9361359]

Aggressive imo is getting up in someone's face like Darnell did to Rachel Rice in BB9 during the time when the house was split in half, and Dale had to come to her defense of all people because Darnell was squaring upto her.:shocked:

Then we have what happened when Chanelle did knock Kieran's hat off his head, and spitting at him, that's aggressive. Kieran also saying that he'd knock her out if she was a guy is also aggressive.

Deborah and Hannah raising their voices when being provoked is not aggressive imo, otherwise 99.99% of the planet are aggressive if that's the case.

Hannah in particular doesn't come off as aggressive to me, she's awkward in general, but not aggressive and I don't even like Hannah very much, but that is a harsh claim.


To me there is verbal aggression and physical aggression. Anyone who shouts in anyone's face is aggressive...regardless of who started it...if you respond that way it's still aggressive.All of them bar Charlotte Raph and Ellie have shown aggression verbally.
Physical aggression has been shown by Tom and in a lesser form by Chanelle. Chanelle...slipper...bag...hat was more in jest than deliberate aggressive behaviour. Even her spitting (however vile) was a dribble not an aggressive spit in the face scenario.

[Tozzie]

I'd rather people acknowledge issues of race rather than trying to brush it under the carpet by saying 'I don't see colour'. That doesn't solve the problem, that's just refusing to acknowledge it's existence.

I don't see colour is a figure of speech, no one is saying people cant be their own race or trying to stop anyone being of a particular race...I hope the time is coming nearer where people will stop bringing up the race someone is from, flipping heck, its hard to make you understand what I mean so I think I might go to bed, I'm old and I need my beauty sleep ....night night x

[Tom4784]

but why does it have to be an issue, the only issue is the people making it an issue :shrug:

It's an issue because there's an imbalance in how the world treats people based on their skin colour and simply saying 'I don't see colour' and getting annoyed when people of other races wish to discuss it makes it so that it'll continue to BE a problem.

Attitudes like that are contributing to the continued existence of racial issues, it doesn't help solve them.

Injustices don't go away because you refuse to acknowledge they exist.

[Tom4784]

I don't see colour is a figure of speech, no one is saying people cant be their own race or trying to stop anyone being of a particular race...I hope the time is coming nearer where people will stop bringing up the race someone is from, flipping heck, its hard to make you understand what I mean so I think I might go to bed, I'm old and I need my beauty sleep ....night night x

You hope for a time when people stop bringing up race? How about hoping for a time when all races are considered equal instead?

[rusticgal]

I'd rather people acknowledge issues of race rather than trying to brush it under the carpet by saying 'I don't see colour'. That doesn't solve the problem, that's just refusing to acknowledge it's existence.


If anyone says they don't see colour...they are merely implying they see everyone equally regardless of skin colour. That is not brushing it under the carpet...nor does it imply that they don't acknowledge its existence...

[Caravan]

I've watched it and wtf Deborah wasn't being aggressive. Methinks Rebecca might be a little racist, certainly biased.

[Tom4784]

If anyone says they don't see colour...they are merely implying they see everyone equally regardless of skin colour. That is not brushing it under the carpet...nor does it imply that they don't acknowledge its existence...

It's a copout attitude that ignores the problem and thus allows it to continue to BE a problem.

[rusticgal]

You hope for a time when people stop bringing up race? How about hoping for a time when all races are considered equal instead?

Well they are the very people who 'don't see colour'...but then you have accused those very people of being the problem. :shrug:

[Tozzie]

You hope for a time when people stop bringing up race? How about hoping for a time when all races are considered equal instead?

I've kissed ya goodnight once, too tired to contribute anymore tonight.
:xyxwave:

[Mystic Mock]

[QUOTE=Mystic Mock;9361377]


To me there is verbal aggression and physical aggression. Anyone who shouts in anyone's face is aggressive...regardless of who started it...if you respond that way it's still aggressive.All of them bar Charlotte Raph and Ellie have shown aggression verbally.
Physical aggression has been shown by Tom and in a lesser form by Chanelle. Chanelle...slipper...bag...hat was more in jest than deliberate aggressive behaviour. Even her spitting (however vile) was a dribble not an aggressive spit in the face scenario.

But that's all speculation on that front, at it's basic core they're more aggressive moments from Chanelle than what Hannah did I think.

[rusticgal]

It's a copout attitude that ignores the problem and thus allows it to continue to BE a problem.


So people who see each other as equal...hence the 'I don't see colour' have a cop out attitude??... just no pleasing some people.

[Tom4784]

Well they are the very people who 'don't see colour'...but then you have accused those very people of being the problem. :shrug:

Wanting people to 'stop bringing up race' (IE stop the discussion of race related issues) is not the same as wanting equality. Saying 'I don't see colour' is essentially saying that you are fine with the status quo.

[Tom4784]

So people who see each other as equal...hence the 'I don't see colour' have a cop out attitude??... just no pleasing some people.

People who say that rarely do see the races as equal, it's just a copout to try and stop people from discussing topics that make them feel uncomfortable.

I've said this in a multitude of different ways throughout this topic, if you don't understand where I'm coming from by now then you probably never will.

[Caravan]

Wanting people to 'stop bringing up race' (IE stop the discussion of race related issues) is not the same as wanting equality. Saying 'I don't see colour' is essentially saying that you are fine with the status quo.

Mate you're not going to get through to some people. Thanks for trying though.

[fitz2k2]

im sooooo confused on what she was soo angry about lol

[*mazedsalv**]

Thought it was awful and uncalled for.

Jeez, are people saying that we didn't call Helen aggressive because she's white? Helen was aggressive as **** and she was seen as that from Day 2. Nothing to do with whether she was white or black.

In this series alone, we have heard of people calling Chanelle, Joe and Tom aggressive too. Are they black? No.

Effing race card, such a poor thing to bring out. I would understand if something like "well your a stereotypical angry black woman" was said, but it came from nowhere.

Does this mean I am never allowed to call a black person aggressive in the chance I may be called racist? I'll call any Dom, Dick or Harry aggressive if they are aggressive.

[rusticgal]

[QUOTE=rusticgal;9361439]

But that's all speculation on that front, at it's basic core they're more aggressive moments from Chanelle than what Hannah did I think.


Chanelle has shown more aggression than Hannah I agree. The bag over the head was jesting. The flick of the slipper was jesting but it backfired because it caught Hannah where it hurt although that wasn't her intention..her action caused hurt and would be deemed aggressive.The hat thing was her trying to be funny but then Kieran's reaction was no different to her silly reaction over his comment about her lips...it wasn't meant to offend.
It just shows how things can be taken out of proportion...
You can't get away from the fact that shouting at someone will be deemed as being aggressive..because you are angry. Physical aggression to me is going for someone in order to hurt them wether that is physical contact or throwing something at someone with the intent to hurt and that has never been Chanelles intention.

[HBIC]

Thought it was awful and uncalled for.

Jeez, are people saying that we didn't call Helen aggressive because she's white? Helen was aggressive as **** and she was seen as that from Day 2. Nothing to do with whether she was white or black.

In this series alone, we have heard of people calling Chanelle, Joe and Tom aggressive too. Are they black? No.

Effing race card, such a poor thing to bring out. I would understand if something like "well your a stereotypical angry black woman" was said, but it came from nowhere.

Does this mean I am never allowed to call a black person aggressive in the chance I may be called racist? I'll call any Dom, Dick or Harry aggressive if they are aggressive.
No but it seems like black female housemates are held to different standards. I mean there was someone in this thread claiming that Makosi was one of the most aggressive housemates of all time... After reading posts like that, Hannah definitely has a point.

[rusticgal]

People who say that rarely do see the races as equal, it's just a copout to try and stop people from discussing topics that make them feel uncomfortable.

I've said this in a multitude of different ways throughout this topic, if you don't understand where I'm coming from by now then you probably never will.

But people who say that DO see races as equal...I DONT SEE COLOUR...meaning EVERYONE IS THE SAME COLOUR.. If you don't get that then you never will.

[Tom4784]

But people who say that DO see races as equal...I DONT SEE COLOUR...meaning EVERYONE IS THE SAME COLOUR.. If you don't get that then you never will.

That's not even remotely the same thing.

People who want equality DO see colour because you have to see the differences to understand that there is problems. You can't say 'I want equality!' and then refuse to acknowledge barriers to said equality.

Like I've said before, 'I don't see colour' is not a cool progressive statement, it's regressive and it discourages valid discussion of race by painting it as wrong. People who believe and identity with statements like that are part of the problem, not the solution.

[Caravan]

Why wasn't Tom labelled aggressive by other HMs for slamming all the stuff off the kitchen counter in a previous episode?
Why wasn't Chanelle labelled aggressive by other HMs for the slipper kicking/throwing, spitting, bag over head, hitting head/hat
Why wasn't Imran labelled aggressive by other HMs for cussing out Chanelle and Elle?
Why wasn't Kayleigh labelled aggressive by other HMs for yelling swear words at others multiple times?
etc.....
yet the black women get labeled aggressive..... Hannah and Deborah were verbally assertive (didn't hurl constant swear words) yet Rebecca can scream "shut up" when Deborah is trying to explain how the label "aggressive" makes her feel.

.

[letmein]

because it gets on some peoples tits when colour comes into it, like it or not some coloured people have chips on their shoulder about colour and bring the subject up themselves, even that black bloke on BBots said she shouldn't have done that

Colored peopled? Good lord. What century is this?!

[Cherie]

Many of the people calling the sisters aggressive supported Helen :idc:

Have you been a lurker for years :laugh:

[Cherie]

Thought it was awful and uncalled for.

Jeez, are people saying that we didn't call Helen aggressive because she's white? Helen was aggressive as **** and she was seen as that from Day 2. Nothing to do with whether she was white or black.

In this series alone, we have heard of people calling Chanelle, Joe and Tom aggressive too. Are they black? No.

Effing race card, such a poor thing to bring out. I would understand if something like "well your a stereotypical angry black woman" was said, but it came from nowhere.

Does this mean I am never allowed to call a black person aggressive in the chance I may be called racist? I'll call any Dom, Dick or Harry aggressive if they are aggressive.

:clap2:

[bots]

Thought it was awful and uncalled for.

Jeez, are people saying that we didn't call Helen aggressive because she's white? Helen was aggressive as **** and she was seen as that from Day 2. Nothing to do with whether she was white or black.

In this series alone, we have heard of people calling Chanelle, Joe and Tom aggressive too. Are they black? No.

Effing race card, such a poor thing to bring out. I would understand if something like "well your a stereotypical angry black woman" was said, but it came from nowhere.

Does this mean I am never allowed to call a black person aggressive in the chance I may be called racist? I'll call any Dom, Dick or Harry aggressive if they are aggressive.

Spot on. If someone is aggressive and angry for a reason, its fair enough. But anything outwith that and anyone will get called out for it.

I am pig sick of all the unnecessary drama in house these days, its not a new phenomena, and it isn't entertainment.

[azi]

Calling a black women "aggressive" is offensive. That's it.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/31618a57f5b529eaf6c0cf6750b3453f/tumblr_onk98y4SXq1v9roxto8_250.gif

[Slevin]

i get her point but i did find them being somewhat aggressive. hell a lot of them have been. i could be wrong but i only remember seeing Deborah, Hannah & Sukhvinder being called aggressive by other HM. maybe Kayleigh as well? why in the hell didnt anyone call Lotan aggressive then if those two are called that. bunch of bs that is. perhaps being apart of the so called clique. Lotan didnt need to stir that ship up more to begin with. Hannah was done, eating her food and that doucher came in muddling his words back & forth saying he should/shouldnt say nothing & couldnt make up his mind whether to walk out or not. so he goes ahead & starts being passive aggressive & **** blew up some more.

[chuff me dizzy]

How many times has she flashed the race card ? and how pathetic was Suhk sat crying .....Lets not forget the sisters were born in ENGLAND to Nigerian parents, in her vt ,she bragged she had won Miss Nigeria ( was there only her who entered :conf: ) and she she said "I won Miss Nigeria for my country, and won it in the UK " so who's the racist here ?

[chuff me dizzy]

Calling a black women "aggressive" is offensive. That's it.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/31618a57f5b529eaf6c0cf6750b3453f/tumblr_onk98y4SXq1v9roxto8_250.gif

Not if they ARE aggressive

[chuff me dizzy]

Have you been a lurker for years :laugh:

Spotted that one yesterday, clearly a banned member ^^

[DrunkerThanMoses]

I still dont get why Hannah over reacted in the first place, her pulling the race card really annoyed me, Why have we not seen this tension between Lotan and Hannah before, I mean Lotan nomianted her for a similar reason that she involves herself in everything, which we have failed to see so far, the only times the sisters have argued back is if someone was arguing with them. So Lotans excuse is flawed, and he needs to look in the mirror when he accuses of others of getting involved when he is the main one sticking his nose in everything to look like the hero.

Both Lotan and Hannah can go for all I care, her over-reaction and his fakeness.

[snail69]

I can't say too many people are surprised it's happened, or are they? It's almost like Big Brother set it up so that it would but I hate conspiracies so I ain't even going to bother with that.

Being mixed race (my dad is African American) it's embarrassing to see people pull that card so quickly. It makes them look weak and desperate for attention. I can't support her at all now which is disappointing as I really had high hopes for both her and Deborah.

[armand.kay]

Not if they ARE aggressive

in this instance though other housemates have threatened others, swore at others, thrown stuff around in a rage, chanelle hit Kieran just the other day but Rebecca brands Hannah as aggressive just for raising her voice? I'm not saying Rebecca is racist, in her head she probably wasn't thinking of race at all but I can understand why hannah felt that had she been white she wouldn't of been perceived to be as aggressive.

[chuff me dizzy]

I can't say too many people are surprised it's happened, or are they? It's almost like Big Brother set it up so that it would but I hate conspiracies so I ain't even going to bother with that.

Being mixed race (my dad is African American) it's embarrassing to see people pull that card so quickly. It makes them look weak and desperate for attention. I can't support her at all now which is disappointing as I really had high hopes for both her and Deborah.

:clap1: The race card is the most popular card in the BB house, always has been

[Slevin]

i would say the bully card is the most popular these days

[chuff me dizzy]

i would say the bully card is the most popular these days

We have 4 non whites in the house this year,they have ALL thrown the race card already and were only 10 days in ,Sukh and Imran threw it in 1st couple of days

[Niamh.]

Makosi, Vanessa, Gina

+ Adjoa

Alison

[Niamh.]

I cant believe I ever thought black girls were unfairly labeled as aggressive... turns out the ones i thought were nice were actually just passive aggressive.

:laugh2:

[Niamh.]

because it gets on some peoples tits when colour comes into it, like it or not some coloured people have chips on their shoulder about colour and bring the subject up themselves, even that black bloke on BBots said she shouldn't have done that

But how would you know what experiences a black person has in everyday life? Just because you don't personally see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Beso]

I deal with a lot of nigerian women at work and they all come across as aggresive when they are not being aggresive.

[chuff me dizzy]

But how would you know what experiences a black person has in everyday life? Just because you don't personally see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

We don't know what experiences a white person has in everyday life either, but you dont here them bleating on

[Niamh.]

We don't know what experiences a white person has in everyday life either, but you dont here them bleating on

I am a white person so yeah I know how it feels to be a white woman and I know how other people treat me as a white woman

[chuff me dizzy]

I am a white person so yeah I know how it feels to be a white woman and I know how other people treat me as a white woman

If you have a vile attitude regardless of colour ,you will one day be met with it back ,and it doesn't go down well,Im not saying you've got a vile attitude lol

[Niamh.]

If you have a vile attitude regardless of colour ,you will one day be met with it back ,and it doesn't go down well,Im not saying you've got a vile attitude lol

Ok but that isn't the point I was making

[chuff me dizzy]

Ok but that isn't the point I was making

My point is when you talk to people like **** REGARDLESS of colour of skin, one day you will get your just deserts ,white people don't have a race card to throw in

[sampvt]

I am a white person so yeah I know how it feels to be a white woman and I know how other people treat me as a white woman

In summer I go pink but i get treated ok all the time, white or pink. Most aggressive blacks use the race card like free passes just because its become a bit of a trend. Modern society sides with the intolerance of racist issues so its easy to bring up if you feel you are loosing an argument. is it the colour of my skin that offends you is the fav. we dont need to bring it up, they do. Most blacks have learned to live without race issues and most whites shy away from these issues but there are allways the idiots in society that drag up colour, weight, in fact anything to gain an edge, thats life im afraid.

[Niamh.]

My point is when you talk to people like **** REGARDLESS of colour of skin, one day you will get your just deserts ,white people don't have a race card to throw in

Again you're missing the point I was making when replying to Tozzie

[sampvt]

Again you're missing the point I was making when replying to Tozzie

Im missing it as well. I am Irish like you and when I came to england yrs ago i got the usual Paddy and spud basher, but when things got hot i got the thick mick handle, that hurt. So being white does not exclude you from race issues.

[chuff me dizzy]

In summer I go pink but i get treated ok all the time, white or pink. Most aggressive blacks use the race card like free passes just because its become a bit of a trend. Modern society sides with the intolerance of racist issues so its easy to bring up if you feel you are loosing an argument. is it the colour of my skin that offends you is the fav. we dont need to bring it up, they do. Most blacks have learned to live without race issues and most whites shy away from these issues but there are allways the idiots in society that drag up colour, weight, in fact anything to gain an edge, thats life im afraid.

Briliant post :clap1: Some use their skin colour as a weapon

[Withano]

Spotted that one yesterday, clearly a banned member ^^

That would explain why they told me that we finally agreed on something

[Niamh.]

Im missing it as well. I am Irish like you and when I came to england yrs ago i got the usual Paddy and spud basher, but when things got hot i got the thick mick handle, that hurt. So being white does not exclude you from race issues.

You're actually making my point Sam. That's exactly what i mean, yours and my experiences as an Irish person in England would have been totally different to an English persons (certainly a few years back not so much now though I think from my own experiences) That's all I was trying to say really. You can't tell someone that they don't feel stereotyped if you've never experienced what they do on a day to day basis

[chuff me dizzy]

That would explain why they told me that we finally agreed on something

Another one slipped through the net ,come on mods keep up :joker:

[rusticgal]

We don't know what experiences a white person has in everyday life either, but you dont here them bleating on

....if Sukhvinder called Rebecca aggressive she wouldnt call out Sukhvnder for being racist...it works both ways. Why does the race card only ever come up when black/Asian people are called out for something. White people are a race but I have never seen them use that card when they are being shouted at. :shrug:

[bots]

There is perception of being aggressive through accent and then there is actual aggression identified by content, delivery and body language. My reading of it was a tick in the box for all 3, it had nothing to do with anything else

[Niamh.]

....if Sukhvinder called Rebecca aggressive she wouldnt call out Sukhvnder for being racist...it works both ways. Why does the race card only ever come up when black/Asian people are called out for something. White people are a race but I have never seen them use that card when they are being shouted at. :shrug:

Because there is no stereotype saying white women are aggressive :laugh: Also, she never actually said you're racist to Rebecca

[Samm]

Thought it was awful and uncalled for.

Jeez, are people saying that we didn't call Helen aggressive because she's white? Helen was aggressive as **** and she was seen as that from Day 2. Nothing to do with whether she was white or black.

In this series alone, we have heard of people calling Chanelle, Joe and Tom aggressive too. Are they black? No.

Effing race card, such a poor thing to bring out. I would understand if something like "well your a stereotypical angry black woman" was said, but it came from nowhere.

Does this mean I am never allowed to call a black person aggressive in the chance I may be called racist? I'll call any Dom, Dick or Harry aggressive if they are aggressive.

You're missing the point, Helen won, if Helen was black she wouldn't of won for a fact

[chuff me dizzy]

....if Sukhvinder called Rebecca aggressive she wouldnt call out Sukhvnder for being racist...it works both ways. Why does the race card only ever come up when black/Asian people are called out for something. White people are a race but I have never seen them use that card when they are being shouted at. :shrug:

EXACTLY Rusty !! this is my point, white people don't have a card to throw in ,if someone doesn't like us ,so be it ,we move on ....but thats the not the case with non white, they always claim doesn't like them because of their colour when really its because they are an arrogant, mouthy twat

[ethanjames]

well she isn't wrong? if she was white she would be labelled as a queen but because she is black she is labelled as aggressive

[chuff me dizzy]

You're missing the point, Helen won, if Helen was black she wouldn't of won for a fact

Great British Bake Off

Masterchef

Strictly

No non white winners ?

[chuff me dizzy]

well she isn't wrong? if she was white she would be labelled as a queen but because she is black she is labelled as aggressive

Its the opposite on here, always has been

[armand.kay]

Great British Bake Off

Masterchef

Strictly

No non white winners ?

Yeah but those people were nice as pie nothing like Helen. Also i don't think anyone is actually calling the British public Racist, we're just addressing a stereotype that exists within the show.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yeah but those people were nice as pie nothing like Helen. Also i don't think anyone is actually calling the British public Racist, we're just addressing a stereotype that exists within the show.

Non white winners ,and Ore was a sly sneaky gett !!

[ethanjames]

Its the opposite on here, always has been
But on twitter that's how its labelled and its actually quite annoying? I do get where you are coming from though I don't think she should have brought up the race card but her point wasn't wrong

[MrWong]

Did Rebecca label Kieran, Kayleigh, Tom or Chanelle aggressive?

She threw it out quick enough to label Hannah.

I'm not surpised at Hannah's reaction.

[Niamh.]

Did Rebecca label Kieran, Kayleigh, Tom or Chanelle aggressive?

She threw it out quick enough to label Hannah.

I'm not surpised at Hannah's reaction.

Yeah that's the point, it almost seemed like she was waiting to be able to do that, like how quick she was to say "Oh here we go" when Sukhvinder mentioned racism (in reply to Rebecca bringing it up I might add)

[Jake.]

Many of the people calling the sisters aggressive supported Helen :idc:

Odd considering you joined this month

[chuff me dizzy]

Odd considering you joined this month

:clap1:

[sungrass]

not denying that she wasn't shouty but you don't see many white females labeled aggressive that much, was mainly saying how the pubic would evict hannah because she was shouty when let's say someone like charlotte crosby who is often shouty and argumentative won the show

Charlotte wasn't - the thing is - the girl is boring that's why she will go - she has no personality.

[Beso]

Odd considering you joined this month

Mods need to stamp down on this..its against the rules.

[chuff me dizzy]

Mods need to stamp down on this..its against the rules.

Clearly out to cause trouble

[sampvt]

Mate you're not going to get through to some people. Thanks for trying though.

pray tell who you were before, you sound like a familiar voice.

[Tom4784]

Yeah that's the point, it almost seemed like she was waiting to be able to do that, like how quick she was to say "Oh here we go" when Sukhvinder mentioned racism (in reply to Rebecca bringing it up I might add)

It's a prime example. White people are allowed to talk about racism when they see fit but they have to dictate when it's suitable to talk about otherwise it's the minorities 'using the race card.'

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a prime example. White people are allowed to talk about racism when they see fit but they have to dictate when it's suitable to talk about otherwise it's the minorities 'using the race card.'

and what about when "minorities" play the race card?

[chuff me dizzy]

and what about when "minorities" play the race card?

EVERY series without fail,both on the show and on here

[starry]

well she isn't wrong? if she was white she would be labelled as a queen but because she is black she is labelled as aggressive

This is definitely bull****, because I couldn't stand Nikki for example.

[Lstan]

That's not even remotely the same thing.

People who want equality DO see colour because you have to see the differences to understand that there is problems. You can't say 'I want equality!' and then refuse to acknowledge barriers to said equality.

Like I've said before, 'I don't see colour' is not a cool progressive statement, it's regressive and it discourages valid discussion of race by painting it as wrong. People who believe and identity with statements like that are part of the problem, not the solution.

:clap1:
I would apply this across the board, not just in regards to race.

[Lstan]

Again you're missing the point I was making when replying to Tozzie

I understood your point Niamh.


I think whats conflicting things with forum members is talking about this specific incident in the house with the wider issue in society, or maybe i'm being overly generous, idk :shrug:

[Niamh.]

I understood your point Niamh.


I think whats conflicting things with forum members is talking about this specific incident in the house with the wider issue in society, or maybe i'm being overly generous, idk :shrug:

hey Lstan, nice to see you back :love:

[Lstan]

hey Lstan, nice to see you back :love:

Nice to see you too hon :love: i'm trying not to post too much this year tho this forum can give you a headache what with crossed wires and people getting into a huff because they are clearly missing other peoples points. Its just like parliment!

Hope your summer is going well :hee:

[Niamh.]

Nice to see you too hon :love: i'm trying not to post too much this year tho this forum can give you a headache what with crossed wires and people getting into a huff because they are clearly missing other peoples points. Its just like parliment!

Hope your summer is going well :hee:

:laugh: Indeed, the mix of HMs this year is pretty disappointing too tbh.

Summer is going fine, would be better if we actually got any sun over here though, hope yours is too :love:

[starry]

It can feel in some cultures that quite a few (not saying all) that think that raising your voice will get you somewhere with people. Some might say that you should accept that and put up with it, but it is really annoying.

[Robodog]

Modern society sides with the intolerance of racist issues so its easy to bring up if you feel you are loosing an argument. is it the colour of my skin that offends you is the fav. we dont need to bring it up, they do. Most blacks have learned to live without race issues and most whites shy away from these issues but there are allways the idiots in society that drag up colour, weight, in fact anything to gain an edge, thats life im afraid.

Good points in there

I am mixed race and it annoys me no end the way people use the race card so casually and thoughtlessly like that, simply for their own selfish petty arguments.

People do it just so they can try to shut down their opponent and 'win' the argument. It's a cheap shot and it is an insult to the victims of ACTUAL racism to mis-use the serious accusation of racism like that, just for their own personal gain in a row. Overusing 'racism' like that waters down the meaning of REAL racism.

For the record: Aggressive behaviour is not exclusive to any one race. Aggression not a race issue. ANYONE can be aggressive. I don't buy the 'black people are aggressive' stereotype. That's just dumb.

And without doubt Deborah WAS being very aggressive yesterday, shouting at Rebecca, then being really personal about her, trying to upset her about Kieron etc. She was being nasty.

Shame because I really loved Deb and Hannah before yesterday but they both came across as unreasonable, spiteful and yes AGGRESSIVE in last night's episode.

[Tom4784]

EVERY series without fail,both on the show and on here

It's only ever people who are uncomfortable with issues of race being discussed that ever accuse anyone of 'playing the race card.'

It's a saying that's made to shut down discussions of race.

[Lstan]

:laugh: Indeed, the mix of HMs this year is pretty disappointing too tbh.

Summer is going fine, would be better if we actually got any sun over here though, hope yours is too :love:

Ah well I'm having trouble with my agents so am having to find a new place to live :( but such is life.

In regards to the HM actually I had some admiration for BB this year as it seemed they made an attempt to find a range of housemates in regards of considering how they would get on with each other not just how they are as individual characters. But yeah personally none of them stand out for me tbh. I agree with a lot of the points you made in this thread, as someone who's mixed race its nice to see someone whos empathetic :hee:

[ethanjames]

This is definitely bull****, because I couldn't stand Nikki for example.

the British population (mostly) think differently. its not just on big brother of course the same case can be found with other shows like the x factor to an extent although sara was the better singer matt won. though not everyone thinks that way of course a large majority sadly does :shrug:

[Niamh.]

Ah well I'm having trouble with my agents so am having to find a new place to live :( but such is life.

In regards to the HM actually I had some admiration for BB this year as it seemed they made an attempt to find a range of housemates in regards of considering how they would get on with each other not just how they are as individual characters. But yeah personally none of them stand out for me tbh. I agree with a lot of the points you made in this thread, as someone who's mixed race its nice to see someone whos empathetic :hee:

aww thanks :love:

I like Raph and Charlotte most but they're getting zero airtime.

Hope you get a place sorted soon

[Lstan]

aww thanks :love:

I like Raph and Charlotte most but they're getting zero airtime.

Hope you get a place sorted soon


Thank you hon! I also meant to say you and Dezzy are understanding too which is cool :love:

Yes Raph seems to be popluar, he reminds me of that american model, I cant remember her name. I hope they dont stick in any more housemates like they like to do as I feel we still need to get to know these ones!

[Vicky.]

They came across aggressive. Both sisters.

You cannot be aggressive, be called out on it then moan that you are only called aggressive because you are black. No love, you were called aggressive as you were aggressive. Simples.

[starry]

the British population (mostly) think differently. its not just on big brother of course the same case can be found with other shows like the x factor to an extent although sara was the better singer matt won. though not everyone thinks that way of course a large majority sadly does :shrug:

I'm not sure most of the BB audience actually likes Nikki, she was voted out after all. Obviously she has some fans as well, but I think it's the promotion of her by Endemol that has helped her more than anything. They have really built her up. I can't speak for X-Factor as I don't watch it.

[Vicky.]

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Why wasn't Tom labelled aggressive by other HMs for slamming all the stuff off the kitchen counter in a previous episode?

I labelled Tom aggressive for this as it was an aggressive act :shrug:

I didn't see this slipper thing but the bag thing was clearly NOT aggressive. However the way Sukhvinder reacted to it was aggressive.

Imran comes across aggressive most of the time when he's doing Sukhs bidding tbh.

Kayleigh is aggressive in general (when arguing especially. was much worse on EOTB) and also..I did think Kayleigh was black? :S

And both Deborah and Hannah come across aggressive a lot of the time :shrug: They shout a hell of a lot and go OTT. Sometimes it seems they are spitting words at people. If anyone else went on like that they would be labelled aggressive. And there would be no problem labeling aggressiveness as aggressive. But for some reason everyone is meant to ignore it the person being aggressive is a black woman? Yes its a stereotype of black women, but if its happening in front of our eyes, its not wrong to call it out. I don't get it tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They came across aggressive. Both sisters.

You cannot be aggressive, be called out on it then moan that you are only called aggressive because you are black. No love, you were called aggressive as you were aggressive. Simples.

:clap2:

[chuff me dizzy]

the British population (mostly) think differently. its not just on big brother of course the same case can be found with other shows like the x factor to an extent although sara was the better singer matt won. though not everyone thinks that way of course a large majority sadly does :shrug:

Bake off

Strictly

Masterchef

:idc: Please add Sara was a better singer IN YOUR OPINION ,but not in the judges opinion

[chuff me dizzy]

They came across aggressive. Both sisters.

You cannot be aggressive, be called out on it then moan that you are only called aggressive because you are black. No love, you were called aggressive as you were aggressive. Simples.

:clap1: Sums it up spot on !!

[Vicky.]

Also OT but I need to comment on this. Sara was a better singer IMO too, and a better performer. I genuinely think matt only won as they pushed his 'sob story' all the way through. And it wasn't even worthy of sympathy ffs, he got dumped. Big deal. And yes. I did like Matt too.

[chuff me dizzy]

Also OT but I need to comment on this. Sara was a better singer IMO too, and a better performer. I genuinely think matt only won as they pushed his 'sob story' all the way through. And it wasn't even worthy of sympathy ffs, he got dumped. Big deal. And yes. I did like Matt too.

That happens in most shows now sadly,that why I stopped watching them all ,but its nothing to do with the colour of anyones skin

[ethanjames]

Bake off

Strictly

Masterchef

:idc: Please add Sara was a better singer IN YOUR OPINION ,but not in the judges opinion

Bake off winner isn't chosen by the public if it was it would be a different story. typically poc aren't usually voted in though there are exceptions of course :blush:
and overall the judges did seem to think she was the better singer as they all said (apart from Nicole) that she should win and simon seemed very pissed when she didn't win. they coy=uld just be saying that to everyone :)

[Vicky.]

Forgot about that. Wasn't it Rebecca that compared racism to her "no hiring without makeup" policy?

She didn't :laugh:

Someone asked what 'discrimination' meant, and Rebecca replied that it was like racism. Which is sort of right, but wrong at the same time.

Can't bloody stand Rebecca but theres enough to complain about with her without twisting her words

[chuff me dizzy]

Bake off winner isn't chosen by the public if it was it would be a different story. typically poc aren't usually voted in though there are exceptions of course :blush:
and overall the judges did seem to think she was the better singer as they all said (apart from Nicole) that she should win and simon seemed very pissed when she didn't win. they coy=uld just be saying that to everyone :)

Yes it would as she bloody ****e !! Did you see the cake she made for the queen ?

[Niamh.]

She didn't :laugh:

Someone asked what 'discrimination' meant, and Rebecca replied that it was like racism. Which is sort of right, but wrong at the same time.

Can't bloody stand Rebecca but theres enough to complain about with her without twisting her words

And the minute Sukhvinder said no it isn't like racism Rebecca pipes up with "Oh here we go" Rebecca comes across like she's waiting for these poc to live up to a stereotype she clearly believes

[ethanjames]

Also OT but I need to comment on this. Sara was a better singer IMO too, and a better performer. I genuinely think matt only won as they pushed his 'sob story' all the way through. And it wasn't even worthy of sympathy ffs, he got dumped. Big deal. And yes. I did like Matt too.

Exactly!!! I did like matt but his voice was nothing compared to Saras and an incredible performer. its quite funny how saras now doing a concert in finland and matt terry is the supporting act. I think most people voted for matt terry because most of the people who watch x factor are ten year old girls who find him hot:fist:

[Vicky.]

And the minute Sukhvinder said no it isn't like racism Rebecca pipes up with "Oh here we go" Rebecca comes across like she's waiting for these poc to live up to a stereotype she clearly believes

I kinda took that to be 'oh here we go' about another Sukhvinder rant tbh. But yeah I guess it could be something else

Tbh though, Sukh does mention race a LOT. As does her husband. So I kind of understand people thinking ffs not again when she goes off on one :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

Bake off winner isn't chosen by the public if it was it would be a different story. typically poc aren't usually voted in though there are exceptions of course :blush:
and overall the judges did seem to think she was the better singer as they all said (apart from Nicole) that she should win and simon seemed very pissed when she didn't win. they coy=uld just be saying that to everyone :)

Strictly .... Danny by far the best dancer ,fav to win ,Louise 2nd best dancer and 2nd fav to win ....Ore ???????? but won ...could that have anything to do with Facebook,Twitter claiming (the same series) that a black person had never made it to the finals ( they had) then low and behold, the rank outsider won ....come on don't tell me the PC brigade have nothing to do with the result

[Vicky.]

Exactly!!! I did like matt but his voice was nothing compared to Saras and an incredible performer. its quite funny how saras now doing a concert in finland and matt terry is the supporting act. I think most people voted for matt terry because most of the people who watch x factor are ten year old girls who find him hot:fist:

Still bitter that Christian didn;t get through tbh. He was my fave by a bloody mile/ I remember when Sara was put through and I was like..wtf shes rubbish compared to others who were turned down. I believe it was the first live show that she changed my mind :D But I was like that with Diana Vickers too...thought she was a bad pick at judges houses then the first live show she was amazing...

[Niamh.]

I kinda took that to be 'oh here we go' about another Sukhvinder rant tbh. But yeah I guess it could be something else

Tbh though, Sukh does mention race a LOT. As does her husband. So I kind of understand people thinking ffs not again when she goes off on one :laugh:

That was really early on though, might have even been the first day so it would have been a bit premature for that I think

[starry]

And the minute Sukhvinder said no it isn't like racism Rebecca pipes up with "Oh here we go" Rebecca comes across like she's waiting for these poc to live up to a stereotype she clearly believes

I didn't really feel that, she'd be quite happy I expect in a house without people shouting their heads off.

[Niamh.]

I didn't really feel that, she'd be quite happy I expect in a house without people shouting their heads off.

I don't think Rebecca would be "quite happy" anywhere tbh, miserable old cow :laugh:

[Vicky.]

That was really early on though, might have even been the first day so it would have been a bit premature for that I think

I can well believe that she had mentioned race at least 20 times on the first day :laugh:

I say this every ****ing year but we need live feed to understand whats actually going on in there. Anyone can be edited into anything really :S The editing doesn't seem as bad as usual this year BUT I have noticed them 'end scene' in the middle of someones sentence, which can totally change the meaning of what they are saying :S

[Niamh.]

I can well believe that she had mentioned race at least 20 times on the first day :laugh:

I say this every ****ing year but we need live feed to understand whats actually going on in there. Anyone can be edited into anything really :S The editing doesn't seem as bad as usual this year BUT I have noticed them 'end scene' in the middle of someones sentence, which can totally change the meaning of what they are saying :S

Yes well we aren't never ever get them days back Vicky I'm afraid :laugh:

[Vicky.]

I don't think Rebecca would be "quite happy" anywhere tbh, miserable old cow :laugh:

Ugh yes.I wanted to throw something at the TV yesterday when she was whingeing about how there were people/cameras watching and she couldn't have a private conversation with the guy she wants to **** but denies that she does. I mean, what did you expect you moany git? You chose to go on BB. You knew there were cameras. You knew it wouldn't be 'just how we are outside'. Also, she said she didn't want to be there. I really want BB to just boot out people who say that. Imagine them just opening the door and saying 'the exit is to your left, goodbye'...watching them backpedal would be great :D

[Locke.]

I can well believe that she had mentioned race at least 20 times on the first day :laugh:

I say this every ****ing year but we need live feed to understand whats actually going on in there. Anyone can be edited into anything really :S The editing doesn't seem as bad as usual this year BUT I have noticed them 'end scene' in the middle of someones sentence, which can totally change the meaning of what they are saying :S

I know we haven't seen as much of him as some of the others so it's possible that could sway things, but ignoring his VT Raph has been edited exactly like he is in person, so at this point I do think they edit people quite fairly