Would you date a transsexual?

[Jamie89]

Sorry for ANOTHER trans thread :laugh: but based on the other thread about this I thought a poll on it would be interesting.

So given the scenario that you're attracted to someone, and then later find out they are actually transsexual, would you still be willing to pursue a relationship with them despite their trans status? The poll is anonymous so be honest!

[Samm]

If they still have their vagina then no, but if they fully transitioned and I found them hot then why not

[Withano]

Dont see why not

[caprimint]

Nope, I find it a bit weird

[Jamie89]

If they still have their vagina then no, but if they fully transitioned and I found them hot then why not

Yes, assuming that everything is how you like it :laugh: and it's just the status of being trans/their past gender, that was the issue

[Cherie]

As a yes or no answer as per the poll I would say no, but hard to say if emotions were involved

[Babayaro.]

I would try my best to look past the fact they used to be male and just see them as female, but there would probably always be something in the back of my mind making me not want to go any further forward with it all. I don't know, really. It's a tough question.

[Oliver_W]

I'm attracted to both genders so on paper it shouldn't be an issue, but somehow I can't see it happening. I wouldn't write it off though.

[JerseyWins]

I wouldn't or at least I'm pretty sure I never would. I wouldn't really care that they were another gender before except it's just a turn off for me.

[y.winter]

As much as I would like to say yes, I find it less likely to happen (though it doesn't mean it can't happen at all, and emotions are not something you can control). FTM do have a certain physical disadvantage which I'm not sure if I could get past it.

[Vicky.]

I think you need to specify how far along transition they are tbh. I would not even if fully transitioned, as I have seen the results of SRS and know what its all made of and such and the thought would just freak me out tbh. Also I cannot imagine being into someone with a penis and large fake tits together, of who looks like a male person and has a fanny... I am actually bi but I just cannot see myself ever going there with a transsexual person should the oppurtnity arise. Maybe out of curiosity if I was drunk, but I think thats probably a worse answer than a flat out no :S

[Alf]

Would I fook. I'm a strictly minge guy.

[bots]

me neither not a chance

[iRyan]

I would be open to trying

[Denver]

I'm not shallow so if they are not yes

[Monkey Slut]

I have, it didn't work out (for reasons unrelated to her transition) but I would again.

[Jamie89]

India's bad attitude is ruining my poll http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/customavatars/avatar75182_229.gif

[Smithy]

I think I’d be comfortable dating a trans person that I found attractive, but I wouldn’t be comfortable sleeping with them if they were pre op

[GiRTh]

Dont see why notx2

[Ant.]

I think I’d be comfortable dating a trans person that I found attractive, but I wouldn’t be comfortable sleeping with them if they were pre op

.

[Parmy]

Woman to man, yes.

[armand.kay]

Couldn't sleep with a trans male who's had the full surgery. Something about the fake penis cringes me out would rather they just had a vagina tbh.

[Gusto Brunt]

No.

[Jarvio]

No way, and not ashamed to admit that.

[Smithy]

Couldn't sleep with a trans male who's had the full surgery. Something about the fake penis cringes me out would rather they just had a vagina tbh.

What would a bottom do with a vagina tho

[Vicky.]

What would a bottom do with a vagina tho

Have you seen the results of FtM SRS? I am fairly sure a bottom couldn't do anything with that either tbh.

[armand.kay]

What would a bottom do with a vagina tho

if Shawn Mendes can do it anyone can

[Jamie89]

Strap-ons are a thing, use your imaginations people!

[smudgie]

No, I don’t think so.
However I do have a crush on Courtney so my straightness is shook.

[Shaun]

Depends entirely on the person rather than their biology.

[Cal.]

Yeah why not?

[bots]

No, I don’t think so.
However I do have a crush on Courtney so my straightness is shook.

lol Courtneys personalty just shines like a beacon, i don't think its anything to do with sexuality

[smudgie]

lol Courtneys personalty just shines like a beacon, i don't think its anything to do with sexuality

I love her, I hope I love Shane as well.
What an adorable lady she makes. :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No if big hands and feet. And I guess how long they were a man my come into it. No pun intended

[GoldHeart]

I doubt I would tbh but no offense to them:shrug: .

[Jamie89]

Incase anyone's interested this is an article I found about a YouGov survey that was done on this (the results were that less than 20% of people would date a transgender person but I haven't read the whole thing)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-a-lot-of-americans-dont-want-to-befriend-a-transgender-person

[Osjama]

Depends

I guess answer to the question is yes sure

[bots]

Incase anyone's interested this is an article I found about a YouGov survey that was done on this (the results were that less than 20% of people would date a transgender person but I haven't read the whole thing)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-a-lot-of-americans-dont-want-to-befriend-a-transgender-person

its an interesting result. Thing is, the actual "dating" demographic is pretty small. I mean I answered the poll but have been in a relationship for years and wouldn't be dating so my answer is completely irrelevant :laugh:

[Vicky.]

From that link...why on earth would so many not be friends with a trans person. I find that quite odd. Not having sex with them I understand, but friends? Unless people answering had a lot of experience of transactivists I guess. If I only knew transactivists I wouldn't want to befriend any of them either...horrid people, from my experience.

[Marsh.]

No if big hands and feet.

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Jamie89]

its an interesting result. Thing is, the actual "dating" demographic is pretty small. I mean I answered the poll but have been in a relationship for years and wouldn't be dating so my answer is completely irrelevant :laugh:

Don't worry it's just hypothetical, you wouldn't be under any contractual obligation to start dating one :p

From that link...why on earth would so many not be friends with a trans person. I find that quite odd. Not having sex with them I understand, but friends? Unless people answering had a lot of experience of transactivists I guess. If I only knew transactivists I wouldn't want to befriend any of them either...horrid people, from my experience.

I haven't read much of it, just glanced, but I noticed there was something about the number of people considering them to be suffering from mental disorders to be high... maybe that has something to do with it. At a guess I'd also assume that some people might worry about their social standing in general - being seen with a transsexual, worrying about what their other friends and/or family might think. If other people might think they were in a sexual relationship with them. Or fear that a transsexual person might try and have sex with them. I don't know there's probably a bunch of reasons.

edit to add: I doubt a significant number of people would have had experiences of transactivists tbh

[hijaxers]

I would try my best to look past the fact they used to be male and just see them as female, but there would probably always be something in the back of my mind making me not want to go any further forward with it all. I don't know, really. It's a tough question.

Its a tough scenario but if i was faced with the amount of head**** problems India has i would run a mile no matter what sex some is or was ! to put all those issues onto someone else is massive. India needs to work on her issues before she can expect any respect from anyone - cos she sure ain't shown an ounce for anyone else.

[Wizard.]

I would female to male yeah some dem hot tho

[hijaxers]

lol Courtneys personalty just shines like a beacon, i don't think its anything to do with sexuality

Yes because he/she is happy with who they are and feel they have nothing to prove. Unlike India who is proving herself to be in need of some very good counselling before she alienates everyone.

[jaxie]

I wrote about this on another thread but to be brief I think if you are straight then you are attracted to the opposite sex so it's likely you wouldn't date a trans sexual because you wouldn't fancy them. I have never seen someone who is trans that you couldn't really tell by looking at them and most people start relationships with some physical attraction.

There is also the question of children, most couples want a family and that would be a factor for some people.

[Tom4784]

Depends entirely on the person rather than their biology.

Pretty much.

[Jake.]

Depends entirely on the person rather than their biology.

Yeah this tbh

[Maxxie.]

What’s interesting is I was about to click yes as I imagined being fine developing a relationship with a trans woman if I had feelings no problem (I’m bisexual) but then I imagined a relationship with a transgender man and tbh I am a bit hmmm and I don’t know why! :unsure: the answer isn’t neccesarily no but I did have to think about it!

Maybe it’s because I prefer guys and the thought of having sex with a post-op trans woman would be fine but idk I guess the thought of a post op man who I’d subconsiously think as a women/used to be a woman just wouldn’t do anything for me sexually I don’t think even though I am somewhat attracted to women.

I have literally never thought about that until now !

[empire]

no

[mr rochester]

India is the worst possible person to represent her own demographic.

[Maru]

Strap-ons are a thing, use your imaginations people!

Yeah but some girls don't get orgasms internally (or at least not as easily) and if a strap on is all I could have, sorry, but I'd rather use a dildo/vibrator :laugh:

I could never give up cock. For me part of the pleasure comes from the fact the other enjoys it (physically) and that well--... it's a cock :laugh:

If it were just for companionship, then I could see a straight person "dating" anyone, but I would imagine that a trans person would want to feel and be sexually attractive and that would be part of the allure of being in a relationship ... we don't call them our mates for life for nothing

Passionate love does come faster than the companion form though and this isn't only a barrier for trans, but for many folk who are single. There's plenty of examples of people being passed daily who make terrible dating partners, but would do great in the husband/wife/father/mother/life partner dept.

I think finding a way through that filter probably doesn't necessarily come down to what sex/gender you are, or else homosexual love would come down to your conscious choosing (and not just a factor of attraction)...

[pontyboi]

No because I'm personally into guys and they haven't perfected the willy yet it just looks like a big clit.

If I was straight im not sure seeing as there are so many trans women out there who are actually hotter than the real thing.

It's all about preference at the end of the day.

[jaxie]

No because I'm personally into guys and they haven't perfected the willy yet it just looks like a big clit.

If I was straight im not sure seeing as there are so many trans women out there who are actually hotter than the real thing.

It's all about preference at the end of the day.

Did you never stop to wonder if trans women are hotter than the real thing to you because you prefer men? A straight person may not feel the same.

[Amy Jade]

If I felt a bond and a sexual attraction then yes probably.

[Rob!]

Incase anyone's interested this is an article I found about a YouGov survey that was done on this (the results were that less than 20% of people would date a transgender person but I haven't read the whole thing)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-a-lot-of-americans-dont-want-to-befriend-a-transgender-person

This to be read to India instead of negative tweets?

[Natalie.]

Possibly, depends on a few things

[Nicky91]

yes, cause i have respect for the LGBTQ Community


but if it's India, a definite no, but that's more about her personality, which is vile and disrespectful not her gender ;)

[Gusto Brunt]

I would female to male yeah some dem hot tho

:joker:

[ethanjames]

i actually have previously I dated a trans guy and he was great so if we got along I would 100%.

[Underscore]

Unless the transsexual is masculine, with a dick and big muscles then no.

[Eddie.]

It's all about the personality. Though I'm attracted to both genders, I would rather date someone who has fully transitioned...

[Livia]

No, I am not attracted to transsexuals.

[Livia]

No because I'm personally into guys and they haven't perfected the willy yet it just looks like a big clit.

If I was straight im not sure seeing as there are so many trans women out there who are actually hotter than the real thing.

It's all about preference at the end of the day.

There are some who are beautiful and some who look like a docker in a frock. Just like with born women... I think it's a stretch to say that there are "so many out there who are actually hotter than the real thing". You aren't attracted to women, so I'm not sure you can make that call.

[Smithy]

No, I am not attracted to transsexuals.

But you wouldn’t know unless they told you :conf2:

[Brillopad]

But you wouldn’t know unless they told you :conf2:

For God’s sake. Almost twice the amount of people on here, a predominantly young site say no. It would be higher in the real world. Respect works both ways. You can’t browbeat people into submission.

[Livia]

But you wouldn’t know unless they told you :conf2:

You think not?

There would be a point where it became glaringly obvious...

[MTVN]

I get the genitalia aversion I guess but apart from that I don't really see what it is exactly that makes transsexuals inherently undateable to so many people?

[thesheriff443]

But you wouldn’t know unless they told you :conf2:

This a good point to be fair.

[Smithy]

You think not?

There would be a point where it became glaringly obvious...

So up until the point of sleeping with someone... you’d form a relationship with them and then all of a sudden they just become unattractive?

[thesheriff443]

You think not?

There would be a point where it became glaringly obvious...

But unless you jump into bed with them, you could be going on dates without knowing.

[Livia]

So up until the point of sleeping with someone... you’d form a relationship with them and then all of a sudden they just become unattractive?

I am not on trial here Smithy... But for the record, if you believe that I would be fooled into thinking a transsexual man was a born man from minute ONE of meeting them, then I imagine you haven't met that many transsexuals in the real world.

[Smithy]

I am not on trial here Smithy... But for the record, if you believe that I would be fooled into thinking a transsexual man was a born man from minute ONE of meeting them, then I imagine you haven't met that many transsexuals in the real world.

https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/T5MPLvBYkF2U2inaQ6nraMX_S6M=/950x534/filters:quality(90)/2016%2F03%2F14%2Fb4%2Fmenshealtht.a4aec.jpg

So you think within one minute of meeting this man you’d click that he was trans? I very very much doubt that but if that’s the story you want to tell go for it

[Livia]

But unless you jump into bed with them, you could be going on dates without knowing.


Again, you've not met many transsexuals if you think that's true.

[Livia]

https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/T5MPLvBYkF2U2inaQ6nraMX_S6M=/950x534/filters:quality(90)/2016%2F03%2F14%2Fb4%2Fmenshealtht.a4aec.jpg

So you think within one minute of meeting this man you’d click that he was trans? I very very much doubt that but if that’s the story you want to tell go for it

Like I said, you've not met many transsexuals in THE REAL WORLD.

[Brillopad]

https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/T5MPLvBYkF2U2inaQ6nraMX_S6M=/950x534/filters:quality(90)/2016%2F03%2F14%2Fb4%2Fmenshealtht.a4aec.jpg

So you think within one minute of meeting this man you’d click that he was trans? I very very much doubt that but if that’s the story you want to tell go for it

That’s misleading. Voice, mannerisms and bone structure are often dead giveaways. Besides that is not the point- we all have a right to free choice.

[Withano]

none of you have answered Smithy though, which speaks volumes

[thesheriff443]

Again, you've not met many transsexuals if you think that's true.

So come on Livia how many have you dated

[Livia]

none of you have answered Smithy though, which speaks volumes

What is the question you'd like answered, withano?

I have said clearly I do not find transsexuals attractive, in much the same way I don't find men under 5'5" attractive. So I'm getting a LITTLE tired of having to explain myself.

[Brillopad]

So come on Livida how many have you dated

She is under no obligation to date any. What is this - a nanny state.

[Smithy]

Like I said, you've not met many transsexuals in THE REAL WORLD.

Where the **** is he from then? :joker:

[Withano]

What is the question you'd like answered, withano?

I have said clearly I do not find transsexuals attractive, in much the same way I don't find men under 5'5" attractive. So I'm getting a LITTLE tired of having to explain myself.

I think hes asking you to think metaphorically, in a situation where you meet that blatantly attractive man, at what point would he become an unattractive transman?

[Livia]

She is under no obligation to date any. What is this - a nanny state.


Yeah, I'm not answering that Brillo. He's like Finbar Saunders without the humour.

[Smithy]

I think hes asking you to think metaphorically, in a situation where you meet that blatantly attractive man, at what point would he become an unattractive transman?

Christ at least some people on this site have common sense

[Brillopad]

I think hes asking you to think metaphorically, in a situation where you meet that blatantly attractive man, at what point would he become an unattractive transman?

As a woman I would imagine at the point you discovered he had once been a woman.

[thesheriff443]

Yeah, I'm not answering that Brillo. He's like Finbar Saunders without the humour.

I was playing with you livia as I often do!

[Livia]

I think hes asking you to think metaphorically, in a situation where you meet that blatantly attractive man, at what point would he become an unattractive transman?

I have met lots of attractive men. And if it got to the point of undressing in the bedroom and they had not told me clearly they were transsexual, when they pulled out their constructed penis, I would be calling for a cab.

[Withano]

As a woman I would imagine at the point you discovered he had once been a woman.

So its more your issue than theirs? (I'm not saying you're wrong but just to clarify, this is in your own head?)

[Brillopad]

So its more your issue than theirs? (I'm not saying you're wrong but just to clarify, this is in your own head?)

It’s personal choice. No more complicated than that.

[Withano]

It’s personal choice. No more complicated than that.

It is a personal choice, but others like LT clarified that he is turned off by big hands and big feet, which is fair enough, thats his personal choice. Your personal choice (and Livia's) seems to be with the word trans itself being the turn off... which seems more your problem than theirs?

[Livia]

It is a personal choice, but others like LT clarified that he is turned off by big hands and big feet, which is fair enough, thats his personal choice. Your personal choice (and Livia's) seems to be with the word trans itself being the turn off... which seems more your problem than theirs?

It's nothing to do with words.

It's a physical thing. I am not physically attracted to men who used to be women and who have a constructed penis.

[Lynette69]

Sadly throughout my life my choices have been made (I hope) without any bias or prejudice ... am I a saint ? Nope but as a fat bi disabled person I have been constantly aware of the unequality and bias that exists. My point is though I do believe that people assume that ur acceptance and support is 100% guaranteed if for example a bi woman goes to a gay bar and trust me on many many levels a gay bar to me offers as many problems as visiting a 'straight' bar in fact more in some experiences. Just on cbb examples of bias is constant from EVERYONE ... the misgendering ... likening a drag queen to a clown ... I don't need go on do I ?? And on a purely personal note ... if its the year of the woman and all aspects of society have been given a voice where is a disabled womans voice ? Ohhhhh I see they couldn't get the time off from basket weaving !!!! Lol ... sorry my little attempt at humour ...

[Smithy]

Sadly throughout my life my choices have been made (I hope) without any bias or prejudice ... am I a saint ? Nope but as a fat bi disabled person I have been constantly aware of the unequality and bias that exists. My point is though I do believe that people assume that ur acceptance and support is 100% guaranteed if for example a bi woman goes to a gay bar and trust me on many many levels a gay bar to me offers as many problems as visiting a 'straight' bar in fact more in some experiences. Just on cbb examples of bias is constant from EVERYONE ... the misgendering ... likening a drag queen to a clown ... I don't need go on do I ?? And on a purely personal note ... if its the year of the woman and all aspects of society have been given a voice where is a disabled womans voice ? Ohhhhh I see they couldn't get the time off from basket weaving !!!! Lol ... sorry my little attempt at humour ...

Lilbro stop making multis

[thesheriff443]

It's nothing to do with words.

It's a physical thing. I am not physically attracted to men who used to be women and who have a constructed penis.

You and the fear of a constructed penis, lol snunday afternoon on the tibb forum, more tea vicar?

[Lynette69]

On this word constructed ... does that mean a so called straight man wouldn't sleep with a woman who had had breast reconstruction then because surely just by definition they would have been constructed? In fact any kind of cosmetic surgery ....

[Withano]

It's nothing to do with words.

It's a physical thing. I am not physically attracted to men who used to be women and who have a constructed penis.

But that is to do with words. You would be physically into that man, until you learn he is a transman? (Unless youre an expert at spotting 'constructed penis', I'd argue that your issue is only in your own mind)

[Ant.]

Lilbro stop making multis

I'm a skinny gay disabled person! Okay maybe I've got a bit of a stomach but it's my inability to exercise :Oh

[Lynette69]

Oiiiii I'm me .... who is lilbro ????

[Cherie]

The question in the OP suggests you would know from the get go, you can move the goalposts and add in all other variables which is what is happening here, in truth unless it has actually happened to us none of us know what we would do if we didn't know from the outset but that is not the question

[Lynette69]

Wait I'm not the only crip in the village ... ohhhh that's new !!!!!

[Ant.]

Oiiiii I'm me .... who is lilbro ????

I'm you, but stronger

[Livia]

On this word constructed ... does that mean a so called straight man wouldn't sleep with a woman who had had breast reconstruction then because surely just by definition they would have been constructed? In fact any kind of cosmetic surgery ....

No. Because women have the XX chromosome and men have the XY chromosome and no amount of surgery or counselling will ever change that.

It's nothing to do with surgery, it's nothing to do with liking someone or wanting them to do well. It's about not being attracted to someone who has the same set of chromosomes that I have.

And I'm sure everyone on here questioning me, and it seems you're all gay or bi, right? You have my blessing to sleep with whoever the hell it is you're attracted to and afford me the same courtesy.

[Withano]

The question in the OP suggests you would know from the get go, you can move the goalposts and add in all other variables which is what is happening here, in truth unless it has actually happened to us none of us know what we would do if we didn't know from the outset but that is not the question

Yes, but discussing why doesn't seem entirely offtopic. No point making a new thread for that side question, calm down.

[Ant.]

Wait I'm not the only crip in the village ... ohhhh that's new !!!!!

Welcome to the forum :love:

[Lynette69]

Lol ty lilbro x

[Livia]

You and the fear of a constructed penis, lol snunday afternoon on the tibb forum, more tea vicar?

Leave me alone, Sheriff. I don't find your sleaze amusing.

[Lynette69]

I do not knock preference ... what I do question is the word constructed ... and really u want to use genetics etc ? Sorry not had enough caffeine yet .. brew anyone ?

[Withano]

I do not knock preference ... what I do question is the word constructed ... and really u want to use genetics etc ? Sorry not had enough caffeine yet .. brew anyone ?

I'm with you. It is hard to believe that Livia has a chromosome fetish.

[thesheriff443]

Leave me alone, Sheriff. I don't find your sleaze amusing.

I Would not call it sleaze but never mind.

[Brillopad]

It is a personal choice, but others like LT clarified that he is turned off by big hands and big feet, which is fair enough, thats his personal choice. Your personal choice (and Livia's) seems to be with the word trans itself being the turn off... which seems more your problem than theirs?

You can try to turn personal choice into someone’s ‘problem’ when it suits an agenda but that is your problem.

[Lynette69]

Btw I'm not straight or gay or whatever I'm me faults strengths the blinking lot !!!

[Livia]

I do not knock preference ... what I do question is the word constructed ... and really u want to use genetics etc ? Sorry not had enough caffeine yet .. brew anyone ?

They construct a penis. It is not a natural penis. It's not complicated.... so please lets not bring this interesting and important discussion down to semantics.

And yes, I really want to use genetics. Because it's relevant.

[Withano]

You can try to turn personal choice into someone’s ‘problem’ when it suits an agenda but that is your problem.

I simply asked you to answer a question, and even clarified in my post that you wasnt wrong in your answer, you dont have to discuss your preference if you dont want to. But I've concluded from your posts that you wouldnt date a trans because of the word trans, now I'm asking if I'm right or wrong? You dont need to get defensive.

[Cherie]

Yes, but discussing why doesn't seem entirely offtopic. No point making a new thread for that side question, calm down.

Calm down :umm2: I was making a point :laugh: should I run it by you first before I post as you seem to want to veto mainly females right to post

[Livia]

Btw I'm not straight or gay or whatever I'm me faults strengths the blinking lot !!!

Who are you talking to?

You are bi, aren't you? You said so earlier.

[Lynette69]

And there endeth the reason that in 2018 the struggle for all equality still goes on cos it's 'our problem'. Oh dear ...

[Lynette69]

For the purpose of the discussion I used a label given to me but in truth I'm just me ...

[Cherie]

I simply asked you to answer a question, and even clarified in my post that you wasnt wrong in your answer, you dont have to discuss your preference if you dont want to. But I've concluded from your posts that you wouldnt date a trans because of the word trans, now I'm asking if I'm right or wrong? You dont need to get defensive.

And there you go again, no one is irate, no one is defensive just responding to posts, you are however not very tolerant and extremely judgy

[Brillopad]

On this word constructed ... does that mean a so called straight man wouldn't sleep with a woman who had had breast reconstruction then because surely just by definition they would have been constructed? In fact any kind of cosmetic surgery ....

Many men are turned off by plastic boobs. Is that not allowed?

[Withano]

Calm down :umm2: I was making a point :laugh: should I run it by you first before I post as you seem to want to veto mainly females right to post

Your point was dont make side questions in threads?

[Livia]

I simply asked you to answer a question, and even clarified in my post that you wasnt wrong in your answer, you dont have to discuss your preference if you dont want to. But I've concluded from your posts that you wouldnt date a trans because of the word trans, now I'm asking if I'm right or wrong? You dont need to get defensive.

And I've concluded from your posts that you're demanding women explain themselves at length.

[Cherie]

Your point was dont make side questions in threads?

My point was goal posts were being moved from the original question

[Brillopad]

And there you go again, no one is irate, no one is defensive just responding to posts, you are however not very tolerant and extremely judgy

He is indeed. He is also quick to accuse others of the same. One rule and all that.

[Livia]

And there you go again, no one is irate, no one is defensive just responding to posts, you are however not very tolerant and extremely judgy

I have to agree. I've found this conversation quite hostile, and the claims that you are irate or you need to calm down, are made only to wind you up. What a shame.

[Withano]

And I've concluded from your posts that you're demanding women explain themselves at length.

No not at all, your answers didnt make sense to me, so I wanted to clarify if I was right. LT's answer did make sense to me. I don't care what gender yoh are, many men may answer the same way as you, and I'd ask them the same questions, some women may answer in a similar way to LT, and I'd understand where theyre coming from.

[Vicky.]

So up until the point of sleeping with someone... you’d form a relationship with them and then all of a sudden they just become unattractive?

I am willing to answer this. I man be attracted to a transman sure, some of them do pass very well. But would not be sleeping with someone who looked like a man who had a vagina. Nor one of the fake penises as they look ridiculous and of course you can tell. The neovaginas look a bit more convincing (depending on surgeon) but its still vastly different to the real thing and I expect someone with a lifetime experience of shagging vagina-d people would know that a neovagina is not anything like a vagina in anything bar looks. Smell, feel, everything is very different.

[Brillopad]

I simply asked you to answer a question, and even clarified in my post that you wasnt wrong in your answer, you dont have to discuss your preference if you dont want to. But I've concluded from your posts that you wouldnt date a trans because of the word trans, now I'm asking if I'm right or wrong? You dont need to get defensive.

I answered. Didn’t realise it needed approval first.

[Cherie]

I have to agree. I've found this conversation quite hostile, and the claims that you are irate or you need to calm down, are made only to wind you up. What a shame.

Yes clearly baiting, it happens a lot in SD as well which is why it is a shadow of its former self, I'm out catch you later!

[Vanessa]

I would be a bit apprehensive. But if we really clicked then maybe I would. I'm not scared of something new.

[Withano]

I answered. Didn’t realise it needed approval first.

...thats fine, i just wanted to clarify that your issue was with the word trans, and even said in that post that you were entitled to that.

[Livia]

No not at all, your answers didnt make sense to me, so I wanted to clarify if I was right. LT's answer did make sense to me. I don't care what gender yoh are, many men may answer the same way as you, and I'd ask them the same questions, some women may answer in a similar way to LT, and I'd understand where theyre coming from.

So can I deduce from what you've said, that you are attracted to absolutely everyone. There is no one you wouldn't be sexually attracted to? And if not, who would you not be attracted to and why? Because essentially, that's what I'm being asked.

[Vicky.]

Where the **** is he from then? :joker:

Do you think the average transman passes that well? They definitely do not. Usually they just look like butch women. From my experience anyway

Transwomen pass even less often. Especially late transitioning ones such as India.

It does seem to be easier for transmen to pas than transwomen overall though. Testosterone seems to be an amazing substance.

[Lynette69]

OK ... I'm stepping out ... if I want a character assisination due to my beliefs it's Sunday I can go to church for that so u enjoy rpiping each other down cos I've had that for 30 years and I DON'T need to defend myself or anyone else. I will use a label to help others ... I will let words or statements slide to try and support others but I will not actively become and that are or and victim just to make whoever feel strong ... I could debate the whole genetics argument ... the nature nurture debate even the Pepsi versus coke debate but I damn sure won't feel like I have to explain me !!!

[Livia]

Yes clearly baiting, it happens a lot in SD as well which is why it is a shadow of its former self, I'm out catch you later!

So true about SD. Later, Cherie...

[Withano]

So can I deduce from what you've said, that you are attracted to absolutely everyone. There is no one you wouldn't be sexually attracted to? And if not, who would you not be attracted to and why? Because essentially, that's what I'm being asked.

I think you need to reread the conversation, i simply wanted to know more about your mindset because i thought smithy posed a good question in 'up until what point would you find this man attractive'. The way you answered didnt make logical sense to me, you even started bringing up chromosomes as if he was sexually attractive until here... and now we're in a place I dont fully understand.

[Livia]

OK ... I'm stepping out ... if I want a character assisination due to my beliefs it's Sunday I can go to church for that so u enjoy rpiping each other down cos I've had that for 30 years and I DON'T need to defend myself or anyone else. I will use a label to help others ... I will let words or statements slide to try and support others but I will not actively become and that are or and victim just to make whoever feel strong ... I could debate the whole genetics argument ... the nature nurture debate even the Pepsi versus coke debate but I damn sure won't feel like I have to explain me !!!

What? No one has attacked you. This is a forum. For discussion!

[Vicky.]

I have met lots of attractive men. And if it got to the point of undressing in the bedroom and they had not told me clearly they were transsexual, when they pulled out their constructed penis, I would be calling for a cab.

Well indeed. People can say no at any stage and thats fine surely. Even with biological men, sorry if this makes me shallow or whatever but if I was really attracted til I got him undressed then I saw a micropenis or balls the size of bowling balls....or loads and loads of saggy skin or something, sorry that would be a no.

And before anyone tries to turn this on me, no I wouldn't be arsed if someone decided to say no once I was naked for whatever reason. Tis life. It may be a bit hurtful sure, but I would get over it.

[Vicky.]

It’s personal choice. No more complicated than that.
I wouldn't even necessarily say its personal choice, I would say its sexuality. Bi people are more likely to be able to say yes to this question, I reckon.

Surely we are not going back to the days where it is claimed that sexuality is a choice rather than something innate?

[Livia]

I think you need to reread the conversation, i simply wanted to know more about your mindset because i thought smithy posed a good question in 'up until what point would you find this man attractive'. The way you answered didnt make logical sense to me, and now we're in a place I dont fully understand.

I do not find transsexuals attractive. It's not compulsory. and I don't know why you need to know the exact reason unless you're trying to back me into a position where you can claim I am a bigot. And I am not.

[Vicky.]

But that is to do with words. You would be physically into that man, until you learn he is a transman? (Unless youre an expert at spotting 'constructed penis', I'd argue that your issue is only in your own mind)

Withano please tell me you are joking here. Its not hard to tell. At all. Have you ever seen the results of SRS? If not, google a few...then tell me that people would not be able to tell unless experts :laugh:

[Withano]

Withano please tell me you are joking here. Its not hard to tell. At all. Have you ever seen the results of SRS? If not, google a few...then tell me that people would not be able to tell unless experts :laugh:

I did google before writing that.. they looked realistic to me..

[Brillopad]

What? No one has attacked you. This is a forum. For discussion!

It came across a bit the other way to me. She seemed to be suggesting there was something wrong with choosing not to date a transgender, unless I got that wrong.

Straight, gay, transgender whatever we all have a right to choice and not to be made to feel that we have to accommodate other peoples’ views on ‘acceptable’ reasons for choice.

[Withano]

I do not find transsexuals attractive. It's not compulsory. and I don't know why you need to know the exact reason unless you're trying to back me into a position where you can claim I am a bigot. And I am not.

But you saw a photo of an obviously attractive man
You were asked when he becomes unattractive
Yours and brillos answer was essentially when i find out his chromosomes
And i wanted to clarify that, because it was deeply illogical to me

Unlike LT's 'I dont like hig hands or big feet' which is a much easier concept to grap

[thesheriff443]

I do not find transsexuals attractive. It's not compulsory. and I don't know why you need to know the exact reason unless you're trying to back me into a position where you can claim I am a bigot. And I am not.

The simple reason is trans people don't walk around with
Signs above their heads, you see someone and think they look nice without knowing they where transsexual, but you have this special power.

As a straight man I have looked at people and found them attractive after knowing they were
Trans did not make them unattracted

That's the only reason this debate as gone on so long

[Vicky.]

I did google before writing that.. they looked realistic to me..

Jesus christ...even transmen say they are ridiculous and thats the reason they don't tend to actually go through with surgery as they are nothing at all like the real thing.

[bots]

But you saw a photo of an obviously attractive man
You were asked when he becomes unattractive
Yours and brillos answer was essentially when i find out his chromosomes
And i wanted to clarify that, because it was deeply illogical to me

Unlike LT's 'I dont like hig hands or big feet' which is a much easier concept to grap

There is much more to sexual attraction than can be obtained from a photo, to suggest otherwise is blatantly shallow

[Vicky.]

Maybe I just have more experience of penises than you do so can tell easier

Answers on a postcard

Then again I have next to no experience of vaginas in a sexual setting and would know a colon created hold from a real vagina when I saw one. Once I was up close to it anyway

what a conversation

[Brillopad]

The simple reason is trans people don't walk around with
Signs above their heads, you see someone and think they look nice without knowing they where transsexual, but you have this special power.

As a straight man I have looked at people and found them attractive after knowing they were
Trans did not make them unattracted

That's the only reason this debate as gone on so long

Different viewpoints. There is no wrong viewpoint here as long as people respect the choice of others.

[Withano]

Jesus christ...even transmen say they are ridiculous and thats the reason they don't tend to actually go through with surgery as they are nothing at all like the real thing.

Im just going off like three photos, I can take you word for it.. i can see why an attractive man would become an unattractive man if he had an unattractive penis.. the conversation seemed to be more about the word trans and their chromosomes though which doesnt make sense to me

[jaxie]

...thats fine, i just wanted to clarify that your issue was with the word trans, and even said in that post that you were entitled to that.

Tell me Withano, do you date girls?

[thesheriff443]

Different viewpoints. There is no wrong viewpoint here as long as people respect the choice of others.

I do respect Livia very much so.

[Withano]

Tell me Withano, do you date girls?

Better message Cherie to see if its okay to move the goalpost to here first

[jaxie]

OK ... I'm stepping out ... if I want a character assisination due to my beliefs it's Sunday I can go to church for that so u enjoy rpiping each other down cos I've had that for 30 years and I DON'T need to defend myself or anyone else. I will use a label to help others ... I will let words or statements slide to try and support others but I will not actively become and that are or and victim just to make whoever feel strong ... I could debate the whole genetics argument ... the nature nurture debate even the Pepsi versus coke debate but I damn sure won't feel like I have to explain me !!!

And I was just about to welcome you to tibb. This probably isn't the place for the easily offended.

[Vicky.]

And I was just about to welcome you to tibb. This probably isn't the place for the easily offended.

Too right :laugh: Especially trans threads. Always end up a bit...fighty

[bots]

Better message Cherie to see if its okay to move the goalpost to here first

deflection

[jaxie]

Better message Cherie to see if its okay to move the goalpost to here first

I don't need permission. And you didn't answer the question. I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.

[Withano]

deflection

Almost as if thats the point i was trying to make, odd

[jaxie]

Almost as if thats the point i was trying to make, odd

Still waiting for an answer?

[Withano]

I don't need permission. And you didn't answer the question. I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.

Ok fair enough.

From my perspective, people have turn ons and turn offs, they are unique to each person and they are perfectly fine in every instance. Ginuwine is absolutely 100% fine by me by not wanting to date any transwoman. LT made a good point in saying he is turned off by big hands and big feet, and that makes complete sense. Others were asked why they wouldnt date a trans. Their response was more in the word trans itself, and their chromosomes. This doesnt make sense to me. This seems more of an internal issue than an external one (unlike hands and feet). All I done before the argument was clarify that I understood correctly, because I couldnt understand the logic there. If they were to say they liked a masculine jawline then I wouldnt have responded at all, that is a turn on for them and makes complete sense, a sexual attraction to chromosomes, not so much.

[Livia]

Ok fair enough.

From my perspective, people have turn ons and turn offs, they are unique to each person and they are perfectly fine in every instance. Ginuwine is absolutely 100% fine by me by not wanting to date any transwoman. LT made a good point in saying he is turned off by big hands and big feet, and that makes complete sense. Others were asked why they wouldnt date a trans. Their response was more in the word trans itself, and their chromosomes. This doesnt make sense to me. This seems more of an internal issue than an external one (unlike hands and feet). All I done before the argument was clarify that I understood correctly, because I couldnt understand the logic there. If they were to say they liked a masculine jawline then I wouldnt have responded at all, that is a turn on for them and makes complete sense, a sexual attraction to chromosomes, not so much.


You understand LT and not me. Because LT's issue is physical and mine is not.

Well, maybe the issue is your own comprehension.

[Livia]

I'm still waiting with great anticipation to find out whether withano dates girls. I can't make a proper judgement of him if I don't know.

[Withano]

You understand LT and not me. Because LT's issue is physical and mine is not.

Well, maybe the issue is your own comprehension.

No I understand that yours isnt physical, I just wanted to clarify that it was your internal issue to learn more about the poll results I guess. I am genuinely interested in the responses.

[Brillopad]

You understand LT and not me. Because LT's issue is physical and mine is not.

Well, maybe the issue is your own comprehension.

I think it is physical though as the ‘bits’ are not flesh and blood, they are constructed. Can’t see how that differs from men not being attracted to women with breast implants. Although in the case of transgenders it goes deeper than that. It is physical and psychological.

I find neither the physical or the psychological aspects of a transgender attractive and reserve the right to that opinion. I owe no one an explanation of my preferences.

[jaxie]

Ok fair enough.

From my perspective, people have turn ons and turn offs, they are unique to each person and they are perfectly fine in every instance. Ginuwine is absolutely 100% fine by me by not wanting to date any transwoman. LT made a good point in saying he is turned off by big hands and big feet, and that makes complete sense. Others were asked why they wouldnt date a trans. Their response was more in the word trans itself, and their chromosomes. This doesnt make sense to me. This seems more of an internal issue than an external one (unlike hands and feet). All I done before the argument was clarify that I understood correctly, because I couldnt understand the logic there. If they were to say they liked a masculine jawline then I wouldnt have responded at all, that is a turn on for them and makes complete sense

Let me explain. A woman has two x chromosones and a male an x and y. Your dna is like the lego of you and so someone with xx lego will most likely have female characteristics in regard to size, shape, structure. Someone with an xy will be constructed with male characteristics. While you can have a short man and a tall woman, their physical structure is still going to be different. I believe they have discovered that being gay or straight is also in the genes.

What you are demanding of people in this thread is exactly the same as demanding that a gay man must date butch women because they look more manly.

And you are evading my question when Livia gave you the curtesy of her time and answering your interrogation.

[Marsh.]

You and the fear of a constructed penis, lol snunday afternoon on the tibb forum, more tea vicar?
Since when did not being sexually attracted to someone or something equate to fear?

[Marsh.]

On this word constructed ... does that mean a so called straight man wouldn't sleep with a woman who had had breast reconstruction then because surely just by definition they would have been constructed? In fact any kind of cosmetic surgery ....
Yes there are some men who don't find fake tits attractive. Shocking I know.

[Marsh.]

But that is to do with words. You would be physically into that man, until you learn he is a transman? (Unless youre an expert at spotting 'constructed penis', I'd argue that your issue is only in your own mind)
Have you seen the constructed penis? There's an obvious difference.

[Marsh.]

I do not knock preference ... what I do question is the word constructed ... and really u want to use genetics etc ? Sorry not had enough caffeine yet .. brew anyone ?
What's there to question about it?

[jaxie]

I'm still waiting with great anticipation to find out whether withano dates girls. I can't make a proper judgement of him if I don't know.

Me too but he seems to have exited stage left.

Shameful sexual orientation bullying attempt towards you from 2 people on this thread.

[Withano]

Let me explain. A woman has two x chromosones and a male an x and y. Your dna is like the lego of you and so someone with xx lego will most likely have female characteristics in regard to size, shape, structure. Someone with an xy will be constructed with male characteristics. While you can have a short man and a tall woman, their physical structure is still going to be different. I believe they have discovered that being gay or straight is also in the genes.

What you are demanding of people in this thread is exactly the same as demanding that a gay man must date butch women because they look more manly.

And you are evading my question when Livia gave you the curtesy of her time and answering your interrogation.

I dont know what gay men and butch women have to do with the points I've discussed so far.. i dont think youre actually reading what I'm saying at all. If those are the parallels you think I'm drawing, you cant have.

We were discussing an obviously attractive male, and at what point they become an unattractive transmale. Learning their chromosomes does not really make logical sense to me, but I clarified that they were entitled to that answer. But it would suggest that their issue with dating trans is more internal. The physical body structure that come along with chromosomes were irrelevant in the discussion, but a masculine body structure would obviously be a plausible reason to find some transmen unattractive, in the same way that big hands or feet is a plausible reason for not wanting to date some transwomen (not that it is relevant to this specific scenario though, he had an incredibly masculine body structure). I'm not demanding anything from anyone, just discussing the points that they, themselves brought up.

[thesheriff443]

Since when did not being sexually attracted to someone or something equate to fear?

You must of missed lol in my post, but like others on here you only see what you want to see or interpret a members post

[Marsh.]

You must of missed lol in my post, but like others on here you only see what you want to see or interpret a members post
I only have what is posted to go off.

Maybe if your jokes were actually jokes and not ways to mock some other people's opinions it would be more convincing.

[thesheriff443]

I dont know what gay men and butch women have to do with the points I've discussed so far.. i dont think youre actually reading what I'm saying at all. If those are the parallels you think I'm drawing, you cant have.

We were discussing an obviously attractive male, and at what point they become an unattractive transmale. Learning their chromosomes does not really make logical sense to me, but I clarified that they were entitled to that answer. But it would suggest that their issue with dating trans is more internal. The physical body structure that come along with chromosomes were irrelevant in the discussion, but a masculine body structure would obviously be a plausible reason to find some transmen unattractive (not this specific scenario though, he had an incredibly masculine body structure). I'm not demanding anything from anyone, just discussing the points that they, themselves brought up.

You asked valid questions as did smithy, but instead of answering those questions members took you all round the houses.

[jaxie]

I dont know what gay men and butch women have to do with the points I've discussed so far.. i dont think youre actually reading what I'm saying at all. If those are the parallels you think I'm drawing, you cant have.

We were discussing an obviously attractive male, and at what point they become an unattractive transmale. Learning their chromosomes does not really make logical sense to me, but I clarified that they were entitled to that answer. But it would suggest that their issue with dating trans is more internal. The physical body structure that come along with chromosomes were irrelevant in the discussion, but a masculine body structure would obviously be a plausible reason to find some transmen unattractive, in the same way that big hands or feet is a plausible reason for not wanting to date some transwomen (not that it is relevant to this specific scenario though, he had an incredibly masculine body structure). I'm not demanding anything from anyone, just discussing the points that they, themselves brought up.

You still didn't answer my question. :shrug:

[thesheriff443]

I only have what is posted to go off.

Maybe if your jokes were actually jokes and not ways to mock some other people's opinions it would be more convincing.

Livia was going on about her not wanting a constructed penis, you said in another thread about the actress from Corrie having a bald dolls fanny, I was not mocking Livia

I don't come on tibb looking for arguments or kiss arse, I come on to be me!.

[Marsh.]

Livia was going on about her not wanting a constructed penis, you said in another thread about the actress from Corrie having a bald dolls fanny, I was not mocking Livia

What's my post in a completely different thread got to do with this one?

[AnnieK]

I actually don't see the problem even if it is just the word trans that puts people off. Sexual preference is a choice and as long as there is no malice or offensive comments as to why someone doesn't want to date someone so be it. I wouldn't want someone to date me in case I took offense if I was turned down lol, there would be one hell of a lit of ****ed up relationships if that was the case.

[Brillopad]

You must of missed lol in my post, but like others on here you only see what you want to see or interpret a members post

You can talk. You and another were trying to force people to explain why they wouldn’t want to date a trans. It’s called Trying to shove your opinions down people’s throats. No one has to explain their choices to anyone as EVERYONE is entitled to choice - not just transgenders.

[Marsh.]

I actually don't see the problem even if it is just the word trans that puts people off. Sexual preference is a choice and as long as there is no malice or offensive comments as to why someone doesn't want to date someone so be it. I wouldn't want someone to date me in case I took offense if I was turned down lol, there would be one hell of a lit of ****ed up relationships if that was the case.
It's not a choice though.

People can't decide what gets them aroused. It either happens or it doesn't.

[thesheriff443]

What's my post in a completely different thread got to do with this one?

What you post is what you post what I post is what I post, the fact you don't find me funny makes no difference to me!

[Withano]

You still didn't answer my question. :shrug:

If thats all you have to add to my pretty lengthy paragraph, i think weve already came to a mutual understanding. You did afterall, only want to know so you could understand where I was coming from, right?

[Marsh.]

What you post is what you post what I post is what I post, the fact you don't find me funny makes no difference to me!
That's not the issue.

We're talking about this thread and this discussion. You mocked Livia's point of view and demanded she explain something that doesn't need an explanation.

"It was a joke lol" has nothing to do with it.

"But.. but you said something about a Corrie actress" has even less to do with it. :joker:

[thesheriff443]

You can talk. You and another were trying to force people to explain why they wouldn’t want to date a trans. It’s called Trying to shove your opinions down people’s throats. No one has to explain their choices to anyone as EVERYONE is entitled to choice - not just transgenders.

No way was that what I was doing, Livia said she did not find trans attractive, the point is you can't tell who is a trans from just looking at them, some yes but not all, so she could actually find a trans attractive without knowing they where a trans.

[bots]

No way was that what I was doing, Livia said she did not find trans attractive, the point is you can't tell who is a trans from just looking at them, some yes but not all, so she could actually find a trans attractive without knowing they where a trans.

that is completely untrue, you can tell so much from mannerisms, attraction and preference is not just about personal beauty

[Marsh.]

No way was that what I was doing, Livia said she did not find trans attractive, the point is you can't tell who is a trans from just looking at them, some yes but not all, so she could actually find a trans attractive without knowing they where a trans.
As she said, once they reached the bedroom then she would know and would not be interested.

[thesheriff443]

that is completely untrue, you can tell so much from mannerisms, attraction and preference is not just about personal beauty

We are talking about just looking at someone, we only take a few seconds to decide if we find some attractive or not.

[Withano]

that is completely untrue, you can tell so much from mannerisms, attraction and preference is not just about personal beauty

Not to get myself involved with more discussions but your post does not conflict with Sheriffs at all. You can tell a lot by mannerisms, and it isnt all about beauty, so by that logic, some transpeople could be attractive to presumably anybody?

[thesheriff443]

As she said, once they reached the bedroom then she would know and would not be interested.

I know she said that, but the point is that smithy and withano were trying to make is you could find a trans attractive without knowing but once you know they are trans do they they become unattractive

[Marsh.]

I know she said that, but the point is that smithy and withano were trying to make is you could find a trans attractive without knowing but once you know they are trans do they they become unattractive
In a sexual manner I guess so.

I know I wouldn't be comfortable with artificial genitals. It's not for me.

Possibly the same for Livia.

And for a lot of people I guess a relationship without sex wouldn't last very long.

[Cherie]

So members are being brow beaten into explaining their sexual preferences, I thought I had seen it all ...

[Marsh.]

So members are being brow beaten into explaining their sexual preferences, I thought I had seen it all ...
*holds Cherie at gunpoint whilst demanding to know what she loves about cock so much*

[thesheriff443]

So members are being brow beaten into explaining their sexual preferences, I thought I had seen it all ...

thats not what's happening

[Cherie]

*holds Cherie at gunpoint whilst demanding to know what she loves about cock so much*

:laugh:

[Vicky.]

So members are being brow beaten into explaining their sexual preferences, I thought I had seen it all ...

It does seem that way doesn't it. I thought we were beyond thinking sexualities were wrong and that people had to have any specific reason for saying they would not shag anyone. Seemingly not.

On a slightly different though related topic...what are peoples thoughts on if passing transpeople should tell their potential partners they are trans before it gets to a sexual level (at which stage it would become pretty obvious)? I think they should. I expect to be in the minority though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

*holds Cherie at gunpoint whilst demanding to know what she loves about cock so much*

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/897/363/8c8.gif

[Jake.]

I completely agree Vicky @ the person being told before anything of that level occurs.

[Northern Monkey]

No.
I like women.Everything about women.Look,shape,smell,taste,softness,facial structure,genuwine puss puss.I just love women.

Can a trans woman even get wet?

Trans man even pre-op is’nt my thing either.Not my type.

So no.

[Ashley.]

thats not what's happening

That's exactly what's happening... Just look at how many times Livia was pushed into explaining herself.

[thesheriff443]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/897/363/8c8.gif

How was your nap lt

[Crimson Dynamo]

How was your nap lt

no iv been to Dobbies and bought a goldfish

:hee:

[chuff me dizzy]

So members are being brow beaten into explaining their sexual preferences, I thought I had seen it all ...

:clap1: ..Waiting for someone to say something a tad distasteful then slap a ban on them ,thats why Ive not answered OPs question as I would like to

[Ashley.]

It does seem that way doesn't it. I thought we were beyond thinking sexualities were wrong and that people had to have any specific reason for saying they would not shag anyone. Seemingly not.

On a slightly different though related topic...what are peoples thoughts on if passing transpeople should tell their potential partners they are trans before it gets to a sexual level (at which stage it would become pretty obvious)? I think they should. I expect to be in the minority though.

That sort of thing, I believe, should be discussed way before the relationship becomes sexual. I'd even go as far as to say it should be one of the first things that's discussed.

[thesheriff443]

no iv been to Dobbies and bought a goldfish

:hee:

It's a good thing it's only got a 3 second memory or he would be bored already

[Northern Monkey]

It does seem that way doesn't it. I thought we were beyond thinking sexualities were wrong and that people had to have any specific reason for saying they would not shag anyone. Seemingly not.

On a slightly different though related topic...what are peoples thoughts on if passing transpeople should tell their potential partners they are trans before it gets to a sexual level (at which stage it would become pretty obvious)? I think they should. I expect to be in the minority though.

Of course!If i got duped into even kissing a trans woman(not very likely) i’d probably twat them.

[jaxie]

If thats all you have to add to my pretty lengthy paragraph, i think weve already came to a mutual understanding. You did afterall, only want to know so you could understand where I was coming from, right?

You were badgering people about their sexual preferences, I was asking if you have any. If you don't then clearly you won't understand others that do, if you do then why are calling others into question?

Its not that comfortable though is it? Perhaps a thought for others when you do that.

[Rob!]

It does seem that way doesn't it. I thought we were beyond thinking sexualities were wrong and that people had to have any specific reason for saying they would not shag anyone. Seemingly not.

On a slightly different though related topic...what are peoples thoughts on if passing transpeople should tell their potential partners they are trans before it gets to a sexual level (at which stage it would become pretty obvious)? I think they should. I expect to be in the minority though.

I feel like it's something that should be explained at the first date tbh.

[Cherie]

thats not what's happening

Yes it is, members have been honest and said no they they have been basically asked to explain themselves

[Withano]

Tell me Withano, do you date girls?

I don't need permission. And you didn't answer the question. I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.

Still waiting for an answer?

I'm still waiting with great anticipation to find out whether withano dates girls. I can't make a proper judgement of him if I don't know.

Me too but he seems to have exited stage left.

Shameful sexual orientation bullying attempt towards you from 2 people on this thread.

You still didn't answer my question. :shrug:

So members are being brow beaten into explaining their sexual preferences, I thought I had seen it all ...

Thanks Cherie, I'm actually fine with it, I've talked about my sexuality before on here - will do again, if it was relevant to the discussion ofcourse.

[Brillopad]

I know she said that, but the point is that smithy and withano were trying to make is you could find a trans attractive without knowing but once you know they are trans do they they become unattractive

The answer is clearly yes. Knowing makes a huge difference to many.

[thesheriff443]

Yes it is, members have been honest and said no they they have been basically asked to explain themselves

I've not asked her to justify liking real cock.

[chuff me dizzy]

Of course!If i got duped into even kissing a trans woman(not very likely) i’d probably twat them.

I asked my husband ,and he said exactly the same as you

[Withano]

You were badgering people about their sexual preferences, I was asking if you have any. If you don't then clearly you won't understand others that so, if you do then why are calling others into question?

Its not that comfortable though is it? Perhaps a thought for others when you do that.

Ive only discussed the things that they, themselves brought up Jaxie. Unlike you.

[thesheriff443]

Ive only discussed the things that they, themselves brought up Jaxie. Unlike you.

This true, we don't agree on much, but people on here are trying to make us into a mob ganging up on livia

[Brillopad]

Of course!If i got duped into even kissing a trans woman(not very likely) i’d probably twat them.

That is another issue. For a trans to try and dupe someone into sex is disgusting. If they deliberately don’t tell someone and in the heat of the moment that person is unaware that is abuse in my opinion. The shock could be quite damaging to some people.

[Northern Monkey]

I asked my husband ,and he said exactly the same as you

I think it’d be a standard reaction.You’d feel violated.

[Vicky.]

This true, we don't agree on much, but people on here are trying to make us into a mob ganging up on livia

People can read the thread themselves and come to whatever conclusion. It did look like you were scolding Livia for her personal sexual choices though to me :shrug: Almost as if trying to find an 'aha' movement from which to tell her her own sexuality and choices was wrong

[jaxie]

It does seem that way doesn't it. I thought we were beyond thinking sexualities were wrong and that people had to have any specific reason for saying they would not shag anyone. Seemingly not.

On a slightly different though related topic...what are peoples thoughts on if passing transpeople should tell their potential partners they are trans before it gets to a sexual level (at which stage it would become pretty obvious)? I think they should. I expect to be in the minority though.

I think they should be 100% honest about who they are. Love doesn't live on lies. Also the person the trans person is dating might be religious or want their own children and this would have a strong bearing on the relationship.

[Northern Monkey]

That is another issue. For a trans to try and dupe someone into sex is disgusting. If they deliberately don’t tell someone and in the heat of the moment that person is unaware that is abuse in my opinion. The shock could be quite damaging to some people.

Totally

[Vicky.]

You as in the royal you btw. Not just you personally :laugh:

[Rob!]

Of course!If i got duped into even kissing a trans woman(not very likely) i’d probably twat them.

I asked my husband ,and he said exactly the same as you

Punching women. Nice.

[Brillopad]

This true, we don't agree on much, but people on here are trying to make us into a mob ganging up on livia

Thing is we have seen it many times before from some people - it is a pattern of behaviour.

[Cherie]

Thanks Cherie, I'm actually fine with it, I've talked about my sexuality before on here - will do again, if it was relevant to the discussion ofcourse.

You should have quoted your own posts as well for proper context

[Brillopad]

Punching women. Nice.

As they still have the physical strength of men they are more able to defend themselves.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is it now would you fight a transexual?

:drool:

[Northern Monkey]

Punching women. Nice.

It depends on what your perception of a woman is.To me cosmetic surgery and hormones doesn’t make a woman.It makes a cosmetically altered man on steroids.

[Vicky.]

Of course!If i got duped into even kissing a trans woman(not very likely) i’d probably twat them.

This happened to a lesbian friend of mine, except she ended up being the one twatted :(

In a club, was dark, they were drunk, transwoman did not reveal they were actually a transwoman until they had my friend alone in her house. Then tried to guilt trip friend into shagging them anyway even though lesbians friend is obviously..lesbian so not into penises. Transwoman ended up assaulting her as she was apparently transphobic and went round slagging her off to everyone. Was all awful really.

Sadly not even a rare thing these days. Lesbians are being scolded for their sexualitites on a depressingly regular basis. And usually, the ones saying that the lesbians are transphobic are pre-op anyway. So fully expecting a gay female to be shagging male people. But yeah, this is 'progressive'.

[Brillopad]

You should have quoted your own posts as well for proper context

Indeed. How not doing so changes what we see.

[chuff me dizzy]

That is another issue. For a trans to try and dupe someone into sex is disgusting. If they deliberately don’t tell someone and in the heat of the moment that person is unaware that is abuse in my opinion. The shock could be quite damaging to some people.

:clap1:

[jaxie]

Thanks Cherie, I'm actually fine with it, I've talked about my sexuality before on here - will do again, if it was relevant to the discussion ofcourse.

Oh I see, it's one rule for you in the questions that you ask and another rule for others.

[Brillopad]

People can read the thread themselves and come to whatever conclusion. It did look like you were scolding Livia for her personal sexual choices though to me :shrug: Almost as if trying to find an 'aha' movement from which to tell her her own sexuality and choices was wrong

Agreed.

[Northern Monkey]

This happened to a lesbian friend of mine, except she ended up being the one twatted :(

In a club, was dark, they were drunk, transwoman did not reveal they were actually a transwoman until they had my friend alone in her house. Then tried to guilt trip friend into shagging them anyway even though lesbians friend is obviously..lesbian so not into penises. Transwoman ended up assaulting her as she was apparently transphobic and went round slagging her off to everyone. Was all awful really.

Sadly not even a rare thing these days. Lesbians are being scolded for their sexualitites on a depressingly regular basis. And usually, the ones saying that the lesbians are transphobic are pre-op anyway. So fully expecting a gay female to be shagging male people. But yeah, this is 'progressive'.It’s f’king disgusting.
I’d never hit a woman for a start or try and bully them into doing anything sexual that they’re not comfortable with.

[chuff me dizzy]

Punching women. Nice.

Until they can give birth or have the means to do so they are still men

[Vicky.]

It’s f’king disgusting.
I’d never hit a woman for a start or try and bully them into doing anything sexual that they’re not comfortable with.

Indeed. there is a word for that...coercing sex from someone who does not want it. In this case, I believe it was basically corrective rape. You will shag me and my penis or I will tell everyone you are a bigot.

Sadly, people actually believe that lesbians are bigoted for 'excluding' trans 'lesbians' (I don't personally believe male people can even be lesbians, but thats a whole other thread)

And going from last nights BB, it seems finally blokes are starting to get it in the neck for refusing to commit to shagging male people. been lesbians shouldering this for far too long

https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

Interesting site for more on this ridiculous opinion that sexuality needs to be ignored in the case of trans people. Whole site is quite shocking, and it would be HUGE these days if it kept being updated as this past year or so these ridiculous opinions have absolutely exploded into mainstream.

[Rob!]

Until they can give birth or have the means to do so they are still men

Oh, so a woman who can't have children isn't a woman? You get better every day, don't you?

[Marsh.]

Until they can give birth or have the means to do so they are still men
Some women can't have babies so that's a bit of a warped viewpoint.

They weren't born women themselves would've sufficed.

[Jake.]

This forum has been going round in circles for the past 4 days

[Mokka]

Oh, so a woman who can't have children isn't a woman? You get better every day, don't you?

Some women can't have babies so that's a bit of a warped viewpoint.

They weren't born women themselves would've sufficed.


This... so much.

I don't love how the women on this site seem to think they get to define what woman means.

Also... transgender implies one is transitioning. Once the transition in terms of physical gender reassignment operation is complete... the person... say India... is a woman. She is not a trans woman... she is a woman. Just because someone else chooses to put their own definition on what a woman is... doesn't make it true.

[Marsh.]

As they still have the physical strength of men they are more able to defend themselves.
Some women are stronger than some men so let's not with the stereotypes.

[Marsh.]

This forum has been going round in circles for the past 4 days
*Smithy stands at the door with his iPhone blasting Dancing in circles*

[Mokka]

Some women are stronger than some men so let's not with the stereotypes.

I know I could kick Marsh's ass for example :wink:

[Brillopad]

Oh, so a woman who can't have children isn't a woman? You get better every day, don't you?

Trans women are still on the same level as Men as far as physical strength goes so can never be a victim in the same way as a woman. That will never change. They only had one muscle removed not the strength related ones.

[Brillopad]

Some women are stronger than some men so let's not with the stereotypes.

Very few. Too small to dismiss the difference.

[Rob!]

What the hell does physical strength have to do with it?? There are women that are much stronger than men?

[Vicky.]

This... so much.

I don't love how the women on this site seem to think they get to define what woman means.


What is your definition of woman, that includes male people? have never heard one, ever.


Also... transgender implies one is transitioning. Once the transition in terms of physical gender reassignment operation is complete... the person... say India... is a woman. She is not a trans woman... she is a woman. Just because someone else chooses to put their own definition on what a woman is... doesn't make it true.

India is a transwoman. India will always be a transwoman. Unless India decides to detransition, at which stage India is a man. But India will never be a 'woman' unless...the meaning of woman has changed, in which case I would love to hear what the new meaning is.

Again, please let me know what the definition of woman is, if not adult human female.

[Rob!]

Very few. Too small to dismiss the difference.

And your evidence to support this ludicrious statement is where exactly? So if I was to introduce you to a woman who was stronger than you, that woman would hereby be pronounced a man?

This forum makes me howl sometimes.

[Northern Monkey]

Indeed. there is a word for that...coercing sex from someone who does not want it. In this case, I believe it was basically corrective rape. You will shag me and my penis or I will tell everyone you are a bigot.

Sadly, people actually believe that lesbians are bigoted for 'excluding' trans 'lesbians' (I don't personally believe male people can even be lesbians, but thats a whole other thread)

And going from last nights BB, it seems finally blokes are starting to get it in the neck for refusing to commit to shagging male people. been lesbians shouldering this for far too long

https://terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

Interesting site for more on this ridiculous opinion that sexuality needs to be ignored in the case of trans people. Whole site is quite shocking, and it would be HUGE these days if it kept being updated as this past year or so these ridiculous opinions have absolutely exploded into mainstream.I think this is one issue that i’m 100% with the feminists on.

[Marsh.]

I know I could kick Marsh's ass for example :wink:
:(

[Withano]

What is your definition of woman, that includes male people? have never heard one, ever.



India is a transwoman. India will always be a transwoman. Unless India decides to detransition, at which stage India is a man. But India will never be a 'woman' unless...the meaning of woman has changed, in which case I would love to hear what the new meaning is.

Again, please let me know what the definition of woman is, if not adult human female.

Tbf, I too would define someone like India as a woman. The main difference is I could also define someone like India as a transwoman too, which can't be said for 99%+ of women.

[Marsh.]

Trans women are still on the same level as Men as far as physical strength goes so can never be a victim in the same way as a woman. That will never change. They only had one muscle removed not the strength related ones.
Oh please.

You do women a disservice bringing the victim word into it.

Men can be victim to domestic abuse from women too you know.

[Brillopad]

What the hell does physical strength have to do with it?? There are women that are much stronger than men?

Not many so it has a lot to do with trans women generally being in a better position to defend themsrlves from physical attack from a man.

[Jake.]

Trans women are still on the same level as Men as far as physical strength goes so can never be a victim in the same way as a woman. That will never change. They only had one muscle removed not the strength related ones.

This is honestly ridiculous. Women can’t be stronger than men?