Secret antissemtic

[jet]

Because he hasn't personally gone anything it's always this guilt by association that is constantly referred to. Personally what has HE done?

Is actively supporting, sympathising and being great friends with the murderers of innocents 'nothing' in your eyes? Is letting antisemitism run rampant in his party for years and doing nothing about it 'nothing' in your eyes?

Is it all 'nothing' because he didn't plant a bomb himself? When he showed his own inner antisemitism, his excuse is 'I didn't know! I didn't do it'! 'I didn't look properly! So that's okay then, never mind that's its either a lie or it shows him as a bumbling idiot not fit to be a back bencher never mind lead the country.
The point is - its about who and what he encourages, condones, champions and lies about.

I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone who thinks terrorism or anti-Semitism is being used just to smear Corbyn actually takes terrorism or anti-Semitism seriously, or cares about the victims of either.

[Kizzy]

Is actively supporting, sympathising and being great friends with the murderers of innocents 'nothing' in your eyes? Is letting antisemitism run rampant in his party for years and doing nothing about it 'nothing' in your eyes?

Is it all 'nothing' because he didn't plant a bomb himself? When he showed his own inner antisemitism, his excuse is 'I didn't know! I didn't do it'! 'I didn't look properly! So that's okay then, never mind that's its either a lie or it shows him as a bumbling idiot not fit to be a back bencher never mind lead the country.
The point is - its about who and what he encourages, condones, champions and lies about.

I find it pretty hard to believe that anyone who thinks terrorism or anti-Semitism is being weaponised just to attack Corbyn actually takes terrorism or anti-Semitism seriously, or cares about the victims of either.

So Corbyn is guilty by association, and now I am too?... Ok

[jet]

So Corbyn is guilty by association, and now I am too?... Ok

No, that implies an innocence and no involvement and that isn't the case with Corbyn as you well know.
You didn't answer the questions I put to you, which comes as no surprise.

[arista]

These are closed facebook groups
so Corbyn can not stop them.

The list of members, breaking the Labour Party rules
is what can be dealt with

[Crimson Dynamo]

and now a paper thin "anti-Israel" thread has been made?

jesus wept

:facepalm:

[Kizzy]

No, that implies an innocence and no involvement and that isn't the case with Corbyn as you well know.
You didn't answer the questions I put to you, which comes as no surprise.

he did do something, the Chakrabarti report, could he have done more? Perhaps... But he is not alone in having undesirables among the ranks. We have to be consistent in our condemnation. All parties face scrutiny on this topic it can not be used as a club to beat one person within one party.

[jet]

he did do something, the Chakrabarti report, could he have done more? Perhaps... But he is not alone in having undesirables among the ranks. We have to be consistent in our condemnation. All parties face scrutiny on this topic it can not be used as a club to beat one person within one party.

That report was 2 years ago - and the antisemitism in the Labour party is worse than ever - and all you can say is 'perhaps' he could have done more...o...kay. :suspect:
That one person within one party is the leader of the party. If you can find me examples of May belonging to antisemitic facebook groups and condoning antisemitic murals I'll condemn her too.
If that was the case would you be making the pathetic excuses for her that you make for Corbyn?

[jet]

So Corbyn is guilty by association, and now I am too?... Ok

You side stepped this question so I'll repeat it...

Is actively supporting, sympathising and being great friends with the murderers of innocents 'nothing' in your eyes?

Is it all 'nothing' because he didn't plant a bomb himself?

[Kizzy]

You side stepped this question so I'll repeat it...

Is actively supporting, sympathising and being great friends with the murderers of innocents 'nothing' in your eyes?

Is it all 'nothing' because he didn't plant a bomb himself?

Like I said it was guilt by association, now it's gone from attending protests and sharing platforms to he was friends of murderers.

[jet]

Like I said it was guilt by association, now it's gone from attending protests and sharing platforms to he was friends of murderers.

Don't pretend its the first you've heard of that Kizzy.

What exactly is your understanding of 'guilt by association'?

[Kizzy]

That report was 2 years ago - and the antisemitism in the Labour party is worse than ever - and all you can say is 'perhaps' he could have done more...o...kay. :suspect:
That one person within one party is the leader of the party. If you can find me examples of May belonging to antisemitic facebook groups and condoning antisemitic murals I'll condemn her too.
If that was the case would you be making the pathetic excuses for her that you make for Corbyn?

I appreciate that antisemitism is the topic yet it is not the only form of abuse that infests our political system is it? Why must we ignore one to focus entirely on another?...

Define 'worse than ever' Worse than when... did it not exist prior to Corbyn becoming leader, in any party?

We have antisemitism in the UK, it is confined to comments, tweets , FB comments and this ill considered mural.
Compare that to the antisemitism across Europe and America.... There is no comparison is there, why are we not focusing on the very real threat from the far right?

[Kizzy]

Don't pretend its the first you've heard of that Kizzy.

What exactly is your understanding of 'guilt by association'?

Listen from 40mins in Johnathon from Finchley

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[jet]

Listen from 40mins in Johnathon from Finchley

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I don't get the relevance to my question, which was ' what is your understanding of 'guilt by association' (referring to his support of terrorists.)

[Kizzy]

I don't get the relevance to my question, which was ' what is your understanding of 'guilt by association' (referring to his support of terrorists.)

It's basically the same... you are projecting all the ills of terrorist and antisemitic groups onto this man, and there is not one piece of evidence to support that he advocates any prejudice or activity... not one.

All there is is 'he shared a platform with'.. or 'he met with x'

[jet]

It's basically the same... you are projecting all the ills of terrorist and antisemitic groups onto this man, and there is not one piece of evidence to support that he advocates any prejudice or activity... not one.

All there is is 'he shared a platform with'.. or 'he met with x'

:laugh:

ok Kizzy, remain ignorant with lack of research (or pretend to be ignorant) :shrug:

Corbyn and his sheep, eh? lol

[Kizzy]

:laugh:

ok Kizzy, remain ignorant with lack of research (or pretend to be ignorant) :shrug:

Corbyn and his sheep, eh? lol

While you remain rude and blinkered? Ok.

[Northern Monkey]

Well there comes a time when so many accusations and so much evidence appears that it can’t just be excused away by loyal fans.You don’t have to ignore all negatives just because you voted for someone.
I will openly admit that i was wrong when i ticked that Labour box in the last GE.We all make mistakes.

[jet]

Well there comes a time when so many accusations and so much evidence appears that it can’t just be excused away by loyal fans.You don’t have to ignore all negatives just because you voted for someone.
I will openly admit that i was wrong when i ticked that Labour box in the last GE.We all make mistakes.

Well said! :clap1:

[jet]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-for-meeting-radical-group-jewdas-amid-anti-semitism-row-11314813

Jeremy Corbyn has been plunged into a new anti-Semitism row with Labour MPs after attending an event with members of a left-wing group hostile to mainstream Jewish organisations.

The Labour leader's office confirmed he attended a gathering in his Islington North constituency organised by a radical group called Jewdas to mark the Jewish feast day of Seder.

His attendance at the event was immediately condemned by Labour MPs and came only hours after he said in a TV interview he would not tolerate any anti-Semitism in the party.

But Jewdas has been attacked by Labour MPs after criticising last week's Parliament Square demonstration against anti-Semitism in Labour, which was attended by dozens of MPs of all parties.

The group said allegations linking Mr Corbyn to anti-Semitism were "the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party".

Condemning Mr Corbyn for attending the Jewdas gathering, Labour MP John Woodcock tweeted: "This is deliberately baiting the mainstream Jewish community days after they pleaded with him to tackle anti-Semitism.

"And he must know that meeting them now will give his members the message that the group's extreme views are OK. Irresponsible and dangerous."

Another Labour MP, Angela Smith, tweeted: "Corbyn's attendance at the Jewdas Seder reads as a blatant dismissal of the case made for tackling anti-Semitism in Labour. #Enoughis Enough."

Mr Corbyn was also criticised by the Campaign Against Antisemitism.

Its chairman Gideon Falter said: "Given the anti-Semitism crisis engulfing the Labour Party, there is absolutely no way that Mr Corbyn can claim that this too was an oversight.

"Following the events of the past few weeks and indeed the past three years, this is a very clear two fingered salute at mainstream British Jewry.

"It is hard to imagine how this duplicitous man can claim to be remedying anti-Semitism within the Labour Party.

"The party must consider the message that is sent to British Jews and other minorities by him remaining as leader."

[Kizzy]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-for-meeting-radical-group-jewdas-amid-anti-semitism-row-11314813

Jeremy Corbyn has been plunged into a new anti-Semitism row with Labour MPs after attending an event with members of a left-wing group hostile to mainstream Jewish organisations.

The Labour leader's office confirmed he attended a gathering in his Islington North constituency organised by a radical group called Jewdas to mark the Jewish feast day of Seder.

His attendance at the event was immediately condemned by Labour MPs and came only hours after he said in a TV interview he would not tolerate any anti-Semitism in the party.

But Jewdas has been attacked by Labour MPs after criticising last week's Parliament Square demonstration against anti-Semitism in Labour, which was attended by dozens of MPs of all parties.

The group said allegations linking Mr Corbyn to anti-Semitism were "the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party".

Condemning Mr Corbyn for attending the Jewdas gathering, Labour MP John Woodcock tweeted: "This is deliberately baiting the mainstream Jewish community days after they pleaded with him to tackle anti-Semitism.

"And he must know that meeting them now will give his members the message that the group's extreme views are OK. Irresponsible and dangerous."

Another Labour MP, Angela Smith, tweeted: "Corbyn's attendance at the Jewdas Seder reads as a blatant dismissal of the case made for tackling anti-Semitism in Labour. #Enoughis Enough."

Mr Corbyn was also criticised by the Campaign Against Antisemitism.

Its chairman Gideon Falter said: "Given the anti-Semitism crisis engulfing the Labour Party, there is absolutely no way that Mr Corbyn can claim that this too was an oversight.

"Following the events of the past few weeks and indeed the past three years, this is a very clear two fingered salute at mainstream British Jewry.

"It is hard to imagine how this duplicitous man can claim to be remedying anti-Semitism within the Labour Party.

"The party must consider the message that is sent to British Jews and other minorities by him remaining as leader."

I rest my case.. this is now less about the Jewish community and what their feelings are... (Jewdas being a Jewish group) it is now an entirely politicised move to oust the Labour leader.


'Jewdas said: “What has happened over the last week is anything but an attempt to address antisemitism. It is the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party. It is a malicious ploy to remove the leader of the Opposition and put a stop to the possibility of a socialist government.”

They are bang on right.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I rest my case.. this is now less about the Jewish community and what their feelings are... (Jewdas being a Jewish group) it is now an entirely politicised move to oust the Labour leader.


'Jewdas said: “What has happened over the last week is anything but an attempt to address antisemitism. It is the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party. It is a malicious ploy to remove the leader of the Opposition and put a stop to the possibility of a socialist government.”

They are bang on right.

Jewdas is a Jewish diaspora group based in London. It describes itself as a "radical' and is described by The Jewish Chronicle as a "Jewish diaspora group, known for its far-left anti-Zionism." It has a satirical-communal website and stages events in London and elsewhere. It is a secretive organisation based upon anarchistic lines

wiki

:skull:

[kirklancaster]

Jewdas is a Jewish diaspora group based in London. It describes itself as a "radical' and is described by The Jewish Chronicle as a "Jewish diaspora group, known for its far-left anti-Zionism." It has a satirical-communal website and stages events in London and elsewhere. It is a secretive organisation based upon anarchistic lines

wiki

:skull:

Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas.

Corbyn's very public affiliation with them is nothing more than an arrogant and cynical 'two fingers' gesture to those who are urging him to rectify the rampant anti-Semitism within the nest of anti-Patriotic, anti-Democratic, Britain-Detesting, Treacherous Vipers which was ONCE the great British Labour Party.

[kirklancaster]

Well there comes a time when so many accusations and so much evidence appears that it can’t just be excused away by loyal fans.You don’t have to ignore all negatives just because you voted for someone.
I will openly admit that i was wrong when i ticked that Labour box in the last GE.We all make mistakes.

:laugh: Like Kirk here, 'You should have gone to Spock-Savers' :hee:

[Oliver_W]

I guess after countless accusations of anti-Semitism, and after avoiding meeting with the Board of Deputies, the Jewish Leadership Council, and the Chief Rabbi, the natural thing to do is make a mealy-mouthed youtube video before meeting a group like Jewdas.

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/04/1096x616/skynews-corbyn-jewdas_4271909.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180403013446

Give him credit for trying

[Livia]

he did do something, the Chakrabarti report, could he have done more? Perhaps... But he is not alone in having undesirables among the ranks. We have to be consistent in our condemnation. All parties face scrutiny on this topic it can not be used as a club to beat one person within one party.

The Chakrabati report cannot be taken seriously, looking at the volume of claims since that pantomime,and especially as she was rewarded with a peerage immediately after. And they accuse Blair of cronyism!

[DemolitionRed]

Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas.

Corbyn's very public affiliation with them is nothing more than an arrogant and cynical 'two fingers' gesture to those who are urging him to rectify the rampant anti-Semitism within the nest of anti-Patriotic, anti-Democratic, Britain-Detesting, Treacherous Vipers which was ONCE the great British Labour Party.

So Jews are good people providing they are the sort of Jews you have a political affiliation with.

Ok!?!

[Oliver_W]

So Jews are good people providing they are the sort of Jews you have a political affiliation with.

Ok!?!

It's hard to describe Jewdas as "good people" when they describe themselves as a radical group who oppose capitalism and want to overthrow the state, say that Israel needs to be disposed of, and labelled the editor of the Jewish Chroniclea "non-Jew".

[jet]

It's hard to describe Jewdas as "good people" when they describe themselves as a radical group who oppose capitalism and want to overthrow the state, say that Israel needs to be disposed of, and labelled the editor of the Jewish Chroniclea "non-Jew".

Corbyn obviously likes them, so his sheep will follow.

[jet]

Jewish Leadership Council:

“His actions so far do not match up to his words… The fact is that his first act following that is to go to a dinner last night with an organisation who on Thursday published a letter saying that this was all smears against Jeremy Corbyn and saying that this was a right-wing conspiracy to stop him becoming the Prime Minister of this country. The issue is the message he is sending to the community… The first act that he has done towards the community speaks volumes… the mainstream leaders were booed as their names were stated at last night’s dinner at which Jeremy Corbyn was present… Surely it cannot have been sensible, if Jeremy wishes to build bridges with the community, for the first act to be attending a dinner with people who are so hostile.”

Jewish Labour Movement:

“Jeremy Corbyn’s decision to spend his evening with an organisation that said “F *** you ” to Jews who have serious and well founded concerns over antisemitism within the Labour Party, has truly topped off the worst week on record of awful relations between the Labour Party and the Jewish community. When we called on the Leader of our Party to show moral leadership, and take decisive action to stamp out antisemitism, this is not what we had in mind. Jewish Party activists have spent the weekend knocking on doors for local candidates for Council elections across the country. They do not deserve the indignity of our Leader making this situation even worse.”

Board of Deputies:

“[Jewdas] refer to antisemitism in Labour as a smear. If Jeremy Corbyn goes to their event how can we take his stated commitment to be an ally against antisemitism seriously?”

Holocaust Educational Trust:

“It was clearly deliberate. No question of intent. Mocking. And disrespectful.”

Jewish Chronicle:

“At the very time when Jeremy Corbyn is claiming to be “an ally” in the fight against antisemitism, when he is issuing finely worded statements about his commitment to that fight, the one group he chooses to endorse by his presence just days after the mainstream Jewish community protested about his refusal to take antisemitism seriously is the group that last week issued a statement dismissing the idea that there is any serious issue around antisemitism in the Labour Party… This is of course a pattern to his excuses. He didn’t see. He was unaware. He didn’t know. It’s always variations on that theme, and they are always and obviously sophistry. Mr Corbyn knew exactly what he was doing last night. And we should draw our own conclusion about his good faith in claiming to be an ally in the fight about antisemitism within his own party.”

[MTVN]

https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Screen-Shot-2018-04-03-at-08.18.51.png?w=604&ssl=1

https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/jewdas.jpg?w=540&ssl=1

Seem like a nice bunch of guys

[Crimson Dynamo]

Momentum chief Jon Lansman today called for Labour personnel at all levels to be given training in anti-Semitism.

Mr Lansman said he and Jeremy Corbyn had both realised the problem of racism in the party was worse than either of them had thought

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5572511/Labour-handed-dossier-150-anti-Semitic-incidents.html


I will just leave that here

[Crimson Dynamo]

I rest my case.. this is now less about the Jewish community and what their feelings are... (Jewdas being a Jewish group) it is now an entirely politicised move to oust the Labour leader.


'Jewdas said: “What has happened over the last week is anything but an attempt to address antisemitism. It is the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party. It is a malicious ploy to remove the leader of the Opposition and put a stop to the possibility of a socialist government.”

They are bang on right.

https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Screen-Shot-2018-04-03-at-08.18.51.png?w=604&ssl=1

https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/jewdas.jpg?w=540&ssl=1

Seem like a nice bunch of guys


Nice to see we have a forum member in Kizzy who supports this group....

[Oliver_W]

Momentum chief Jon Lansman today called for Labour personnel at all levels to be given training in anti-Semitism.

Mr Lansman said he and Jeremy Corbyn had both realised the problem of racism in the party was worse than either of them had thought

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5572511/Labour-handed-dossier-150-anti-Semitic-incidents.html


I will just leave that here

Wow, when Momentum of all people say there's a problem with anti-Semitism, you know something's up.

[Livia]

Nice to see we have a forum member in Kizzy who supports this group....

Yes... It seems like you have to be the right kindof Jew.

[DemolitionRed]

So you are a good Jew or a bad Jew depending on if you support the shenanigans of the Israeli government or not. If your not Jewish, why should the conflicts between Palestine and Israel be anything other than political?

Perhaps we should all remind ourselves before condemning one type of Jew over the other, that it didn't matter if you were a Left or Right leaning Jew during the holocaust.

They always say, don't mix religion with politics but here we all are going round in circles. I've read, what could be considered, some really antisemitic remarks on here today regarding Left wing Jews and yet its appears to be okay to do that because they are Left wing and don't support the a modern political goal, Zionism. the irony!! It should be for the Jews alone to discuss what tribes of Jews they like and don't and not a bunch of people who have little interest in this other than how its hurt the Labour Party.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So you are a good Jew or a bad Jew depending on if you support the shenanigans of the Israeli government or not. If your not Jewish, why should the conflicts between Palestine and Israel be anything other than political?

Perhaps we should all remind ourselves before condemning one type of Jew over the other, that it didn't matter if you were a Left or Right leaning Jew during the holocaust.

They always say, don't mix religion with politics but here we all are going round in circles. I've read, what could be considered, some really antisemitic remarks on here today regarding Left wing Jews and yet its appears to be okay to do that because they are Left wing and don't support the a modern political goal, Zionism. the irony!! It should be for the Jews alone to discuss what tribes of Jews they like and don't and not a bunch of people who have little interest in this other than how its hurt the Labour Party.



Do YOU think Jewdas are a group JC should be supporting and forum members?

Do you support them as well?

[Oliver_W]

So you are a good Jew or a bad Jew depending on if you support the shenanigans of the Israeli government or not.
Okay, let's discount the part about Israel. They still do things like opposing capitalism and wanting to overthrow the state, supporting Antifa, calling all cops bastards. Not the best choice of people for Corbyn to hang around with.

[DemolitionRed]

I support Miko Peled and all he stands for.
I support "Breaking the Silence" A secret voice of ex and existing IDF soldiers.

[Tom4784]

Corbyn sure gets around! IRA sympathiser, undercover russian agent and now he's a card carrying anti-semite with links to extreme anti-semitic groups too? It's a wonder how he has any time for office when he's busy supporting all these terrible causes AND making his regular reports to Putin!

[DemolitionRed]

Do YOU think Jewdas are a group JC should be supporting and forum members?

Do you support them as well?

I have no idea. I haven't looked at the site but I think I'll go and do just that.

[DemolitionRed]

Corbyn sure gets around! IRA sympathiser, undercover russian agent and now he's a card carrying anti-semite with links to extreme anti-semitic groups too? It's a wonder how he has any time for office when he's busy supporting all these terrible causes AND making his regular reports to Putin!

And in between all that he still has time to make jam!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Corbyn sure gets around! IRA sympathiser, undercover russian agent and now he's a card carrying anti-semite with links to extreme anti-semitic groups too? It's a wonder how he has any time for office when he's busy supporting all these terrible causes AND making his regular reports to Putin!

Its not a joke and its not funny

[Tom4784]

Its not a joke and its not funny

It kind of is? I'm almost tempted to turn it into a game 'What will Corbyn be accused of next?'. OMG :worry: Maybe HE took Madeleine McCann?!

It's all too convenient for me to really take seriously, the timing of it all, the fact that no one said a thing about any of these 'connections' while he was rising to the position of leader despite the onslaught of a media that's mostly opposed to him? All these connections aren't exactly hidden but they've only just come up now? Either the background checks into our politicians are completely trash, as are the investigative journalists of the UK or, more likely, this is a smear campaign which is why these accusations have ultimately gone nowhere because they are just meant to lead an easily led public against the labour party.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It kind of is? I'm almost tempted to turn it into a game 'What will Corbyn be accused of next?'. OMG :worry: Maybe HE took Madeleine McCann?!

It's all too convenient for me to really take seriously, the timing of it all, the fact that no one said a thing about any of these 'connections' while he was rising to the position of leader despite the onslaught of a media that's mostly opposed to him? All these connections aren't exactly hidden but they've only just come up now? Either the background checks into our politicians are completely trash, as are the investigative journalists of the UK or, more likely, this is a smear campaign which is why these accusations have ultimately gone nowhere because they are just meant to lead an easily led public against the labour party.

and the comment by the head of Momentum is...?

[Oliver_W]

It's all too convenient for me to really take seriously, the timing of it all, the fact that no one said a thing about any of these 'connections' while he was rising to the position of leader despite the onslaught of a media that's mostly opposed to him? All these connections aren't exactly hidden but they've only just come up now?

He went to the Jewdas event a few days ago, I don't know if Mystic Meg still works for the Sun but even then it'd be a bit strange to bring it up before it happened. As for the other things, I'm sure plenty of backbenchers across the parties have dodgy connections, but as they're just backbenchers and not party leaders, it's not hugely important.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"This is deliberately baiting the mainstream Jewish community days after they pleaded with him to tackle antisemitism. And he must know that meeting them now will give his members the message that the group’s extreme views are ok. Irresponsible and dangerous"

John Woodcock MP on Corbyns meeting with Alt-Left group Jewdas

[Tom4784]

He went to the Jewdas event a few days ago, I don't know if Mystic Meg still works for the Sun but even then it'd be a bit strange to bring it up before it happened. As for the other things, I'm sure plenty of backbenchers across the parties have dodgy connections, but as they're just backbenchers and not party leaders, it's not hugely important.

I was obviously talking about the other stuff he has been accused of, the 'historic' stuff that only comes to light at the most opportune times for his opposition. Common sense, really.

[Oliver_W]

I was obviously talking about the other stuff he has been accused of, the 'historic' stuff that only comes to light at the most opportune times for his opposition. Common sense, really.

Okay, then I guess the fact he was just another backbencher until recently was why the media didn't care as much. Like I said in the other part of my post.

[bots]

"This is deliberately baiting the mainstream Jewish community days after they pleaded with him to tackle antisemitism. And he must know that meeting them now will give his members the message that the group’s extreme views are ok. Irresponsible and dangerous"

John Woodcock MP on Corbyns meeting with Alt-Left group Jewdas

He is either completely stupid or he is sticking a finger up at those he has pledged to appease. I favour the latter because he has constantly stuck a finger up at people throughout his career and chosen to align himself with undesirables on countless occasions. This is nothing new for him. I'm happy for him to continue on his current course and let the voters decide what they think of him when the time comes

[Tom4784]

Okay, then I guess the fact he was just another backbencher until recently was why the media didn't care as much. Like I said in the other part of my post.

Unless these accusations actually go somewhere, I just can't really pay them that much attention.

[DemolitionRed]

So out of interest, I've just spent a good hour on Jewdas or at least its Twitter sister group which I've now joined! Apparently the site is down because of the sheer volume of traffic which they are obviously thrilled about.

This is the latest Jewdas statement

In 1812 The British Government designated Jewdas to be the sole representative body for British Jews. We fulfil our role of being the voice for Anglo-Jewry by writing funny tweets, holding great parties and passing on the memes which we receive from God, via Geoffrey Cohen.

We have been campaigning against antisemitism on the Left and the Right for many years. We have run antisemitism workshops in such far-flung corners of Marseille and Bloomsbury, opposed neo-Nazi demos in Stamford Hill and Golders Green. Produced and distributed information on how to criticize Israel withut being anti-Semitic, demonstrated against left-anti-Semite Gilad Atzmon and most importantly mercilessly took the piss out of Ken Livingstone. You could call us trend setters.

We are thrilled to be getting so much attention and that Stephen Pollard was forced to admit we are legitimate part of the Jewish community.


So its not only a well established community but its a politically and historically recognized one.

I couldn't find anything unsavory so Pollard must of trawled through every single poster on that site to come up with what he did. There's some nasty trolling going on. People trying to wind Jews up but all in all its a very pleasant site to go on and I will use it with the respect it deserves.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So out of interest, I've just spent a good hour on Jewdas or at least its Twitter sister group which I've now joined! Apparently the site is down because of the sheer volume of traffic which they are obviously thrilled about.

This is the latest Jewdas statement

In 1812 The British Government designated Jewdas to be the sole representative body for British Jews. We fulfil our role of being the voice for Anglo-Jewry by writing funny tweets, holding great parties and passing on the memes which we receive from God, via Geoffrey Cohen.

We have been campaigning against antisemitism on the Left and the Right for many years. We have run antisemitism workshops in such far-flung corners of Marseille and Bloomsbury, opposed neo-Nazi demos in Stamford Hill and Golders Green. Produced and distributed information on how to criticize Israel withut being anti-Semitic, demonstrated against left-anti-Semite Gilad Atzmon and most importantly mercilessly took the piss out of Ken Livingstone. You could call us trend setters.

We are thrilled to be getting so much attention and that Stephen Pollard was forced to admit we are legitimate part of the Jewish community.


So its not only a well established community but its a politically and historically recognized one.

I couldn't find anything unsavory so Pollard must of trawled through every single poster on that site to come up with what he did. There's some nasty trolling going on. People trying to wind Jews up but all in all its a very pleasant site to go on and I will use it with the respect it deserves.

the 1812 stuff is a pisstake, it was founded in 2004

[Oliver_W]

the 1812 stuff is a pisstake, it was founded in 2004

And anyway, everyone knows the Twitter character limit in 1812 was 54.

[arista]

[Jeremy Corbyn defends visit to 'radical' group Jewdas
amid fresh anti-Semitism row
The Labour leader believes he "learnt a lot" from
spending time with a "radical" Jewish
group despite a backlash.]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-defends-visit-to-radical-group-jewdas-amid-fresh-anti-semitism-row-11315328

At least he has given TV news and radio
his views

[Maru]

[Jeremy Corbyn defends visit to 'radical' group Jewdas
amid fresh anti-Semitism row
The Labour leader believes he "learnt a lot" from
spending time with a "radical" Jewish
group despite a backlash.]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-defends-visit-to-radical-group-jewdas-amid-fresh-anti-semitism-row-11315328

At least he has given TV news and radio
his views

What did he learn?... (actual question)

[kirklancaster]

So Jews are good people providing they are the sort of Jews you have a political affiliation with.

Ok!?!

You will do well NOT to make statements which 'put words into my mouth' and MISREPRESENT what I write - SOMETHING which is becoming habitual with you where my posts are concerned.

In addition to several white British friends, I have also great, genuine, and close friendships with quite a few Jewish people in Manchester and London, Pakistani Muslims and Sikhs in Huddersfield West Yorkshire, some Indians in West London, several Polish and Albanians in South Yorkshire, West Indians and Afro-Carribeans in Leeds, West Yorkshire, and members of the LGBT community throughout various parts of the UK - NONE of which clouds me to the facts that not ALL of their race, type, or ethnicity are nice, decent human beings.

I have ALWAYS stated on here whenever I have slated Islamic Terrorists or Benefit Scroungers for example, that I am NOT referring to ALL Muslims or GENUINE Benefit Claimants, and it is exactly the same with Jews - NOT ALL Jews are good, decent people and Jewdas is certainly neither good or decent.

Unlike your good self, I do NOT slavishly follow ANY political party and I am NOT BLIND to bad politicians of ALL persuasions NOR bad people of ALL races, ethnicity or creed, and my liking of GOOD JEWS is - as my liking of GOOD MUSLIMS - because they are GOOD not because they are Jews.

[kirklancaster]

And anyway, everyone knows the Twitter character limit in 1812 was 54.

:laugh2:

[arista]

What did he learn?... (actual question)


["It was very interesting talking to a lot of young people about their experiences in modern Britain and I learnt a lot. Isn't that a good thing?"
Mr Corbyn described anti-Semitism as a "vile and evil thing" that "has got to be eradicated wherever it arises".
He added: "If it arises in my party then we have a process for dealing with it.]


from the link
Maru

[Vicky.]

Wow, when Momentum of all people say there's a problem with anti-Semitism, you know something's up.

Yeah, I was reading this in the metro today..first time I have read one of them in a long time but I get them free on my bus :D

Momentum say there is an issue, Momentum, JCs biggest supporters.

[Kizzy]

Jewdas is a Jewish diaspora group based in London. It describes itself as a "radical' and is described by The Jewish Chronicle as a "Jewish diaspora group, known for its far-left anti-Zionism." It has a satirical-communal website and stages events in London and elsewhere. It is a secretive organisation based upon anarchistic lines

wiki

:skull:

So this Jewish group isn't Jewish enough for you, or too 'radical' (left wing) not 'moderate' (right wing) enough?

Now the knives are out for the Jewish left too then it seems?.. That appears to me both shameful AND antisemitic.

[Kizzy]

Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas.

Corbyn's very public affiliation with them is nothing more than an arrogant and cynical 'two fingers' gesture to those who are urging him to rectify the rampant anti-Semitism within the nest of anti-Patriotic, anti-Democratic, Britain-Detesting, Treacherous Vipers which was ONCE the great British Labour Party.

Well well, antisemitic Jews now.... The mind boggles!

[kirklancaster]

Well well, antisemitic Jews now.... The mind boggles!

Why on Earth is that - There are numerous Anti-British British. Aren't they?

[jet]

Why on Earth is that - There are numerous Anti-British British. Aren't they?

Indeed. One of them is Comrade Corbyn himself...along with his buddies McDonnell and Abbott.

[Kizzy]

The Chakrabati report cannot be taken seriously, looking at the volume of claims since that pantomime,and especially as she was rewarded with a peerage immediately after. And they accuse Blair of cronyism!

Why can't it, what don't you agree with it?...She did very good work it deserves recognition, I suppose all the tory accolades dished out to donors are equally as deserving?
I could list them if you like...Alphabetically.

[Maru]

["It was very interesting talking to a lot of young people about their experiences in modern Britain and I learnt a lot. Isn't that a good thing?"
Mr Corbyn described anti-Semitism as a "vile and evil thing" that "has got to be eradicated wherever it arises".
He added: "If it arises in my party then we have a process for dealing with it.]


from the link
Maru

Yeah I'd read but that doesn't really enlighten very much... I'm open to hearing what his "learning experiences" actually were, if the interest is to be transparent... I can understand someone studying a group out of curiosity in their own time... joining and then engaging them is different than studying them from afar... though sometimes people study extreme movements up close in order to study their behavior in order to circumvent, but it could be just as easily to engage their own shadow side as well, and that's the rub... if he made himself fairly accessible to these fringe philosophies, then it wouldn't seem such a stretch to think that he would may be open to entertaining how to better accommodate those interests... he is a politician with a major career after all, not just a bored citizen with too much time on their hands and not enough to do with their time... I'm sure he could've gotten the "intel" some other manner if he was interesting in putting together a taskforce, for example...

It's not like he's suddenly the face of Anti-Antisemitism. He has not placed himself antithetical to those movements from what I understand? Maybe it's me, but it seems like he's actually downplaying the venom of these belief systems, when he thought it was significant enough to want to associate with them up close and study them in person?... Unless his intention was to welcome those interactions, then he needs to explain the true reason behind that contradiction... and saying he wants to fraternize for the sake of studying is like saying, I'm the boyfriend and I want to go into my girlfriend's room to study with her because I want to "encourage" her dedication towards her education... too much secrecy there and I think good reason to be concerned with what he was actually up to while in those spaces.

Trump was raked over the coals for not outright condemning the "alt-right" Charlottesville Nazis and with good reason. He didn't immediately clarify that position and so it seemed he was supporting the extremists at the same time as the peaceful protesters (especially when it was uniquely organized by extremists)...and yet he expects the other party to take criticism for their acceptance of Antifa, for example? That's why we can't entertain leadership whose interests appear to be divided... Hillary Clinton had this defect, and that's one of the main reasons she lost the election, was because she was a terrible candidate in this way... they must be clear what we are supporting, not only in their words, but through actions... wanting to have their cake and eat it too is the definition of corruption... and is also another reason why voter apathy is so high here...

[Kizzy]

Why on Earth is that - There are numerous Anti-British British. Aren't they?

British isn't a religion is it... Or a historically persecuted sect.
How are they comparable, or should I say what's the point of that statement?

[Kizzy]

Nice to see we have a forum member in Kizzy who supports this group....

Nice to see we have a forum member who enjoys nothing more than baiting and trolling me every day.
Keep up the good work :thumbs:

[kirklancaster]

Yeah I'd read but that doesn't really enlighten very much... I'm open to hearing what his "learning experiences" actually were, if the interest is to be transparent... I can understand someone studying a group out of curiosity in their own time... joining and then engaging them is different than studying them from afar... though sometimes people study extreme movements up close in order to study their behavior in order to circumvent, but it could be just as easily to engage their own shadow side as well, and that's the rub... if he made himself fairly accessible to these fringe philosophies, then it wouldn't seem such a stretch to think that he would may be open to entertaining how to better accommodate those interests... he is a politician with a major career after all, not just a bored citizen with too much time on their hands and not enough to do with their time... I'm sure he could've gotten the "intel" some other manner if he was interesting in putting together a taskforce, for example...

It's not like he's suddenly the face of Anti-Antisemitism. He has not placed himself antithetical to those movements from what I understand? Maybe it's me, but it seems like he's actually downplaying the venom of these belief systems, when he thought it was significant enough to want to associate with them up close and study them in person?... Unless his intention was to welcome those interactions, then he needs to explain the true reason behind that contradiction... and saying he wants to fraternize for the sake of studying is like saying, I'm the boyfriend and I want to go into my girlfriend's room to study with her because I want to "encourage" her dedication towards her education... too much secrecy there and I think good reason to be concerned with what he was actually up to while in those spaces.

Trump was raked over the coals for not outright condemning the "alt-right" Charlottesville Nazis and with good reason. He didn't immediately clarify that position and so it seemed he was supporting the extremists at the same time as the peaceful protesters (especially when it was uniquely organized by extremists)...and yet he expects the other party to take criticism for their acceptance of Antifa, for example? That's why we can't entertain leadership whose interests appear to be divided... Hillary Clinton had this defect, and that's one of the main reasons she lost the election, was because she was a terrible candidate in this way... they must be clear what we are supporting, not only in their words, but through actions... wanting to have their cake and eat it too is the definition of corruption... and is also another reason why voter apathy is so high here...

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Kizzy]

Yes... It seems like you have to be the right kindof Jew.

Yes, a nice moderate right leaning Jew.

[kirklancaster]

British isn't a religion is it... Or a historically persecuted sect.
How are they comparable, or should I say what's the point of that statement?

Judaism is a religion Jews are a people. The point is that it is no rarity these days for individuals or groups to detest their own people and their own country.

That is my perception from posts on here and on Social Media and - as Jet has pointed out - from some of our own politicians'

[Kizzy]

Yeah I'd read but that doesn't really enlighten very much... I'm open to hearing what his "learning experiences" actually were, if the interest is to be transparent... I can understand someone studying a group out of curiosity in their own time... joining and then engaging them is different than studying them from afar... though sometimes people study extreme movements up close in order to study their behavior in order to circumvent, but it could be just as easily to engage their own shadow side as well, and that's the rub... if he made himself fairly accessible to these fringe philosophies, then it wouldn't seem such a stretch to think that he would may be open to entertaining how to better accommodate those interests... he is a politician with a major career after all, not just a bored citizen with too much time on their hands and not enough to do with their time... I'm sure he could've gotten the "intel" some other manner if he was interesting in putting together a taskforce, for example...

It's not like he's suddenly the face of Anti-Antisemitism. He has not placed himself antithetical to those movements from what I understand? Maybe it's me, but it seems like he's actually downplaying the venom of these belief systems, when he thought it was significant enough to want to associate with them up close and study them in person?... Unless his intention was to welcome those interactions, then he needs to explain the true reason behind that contradiction... and saying he wants to fraternize for the sake of studying is like saying, I'm the boyfriend and I want to go into my girlfriend's room to study with her because I want to "encourage" her dedication towards her education... too much secrecy there and I think good reason to be concerned with what he was actually up to while in those spaces.

Trump was raked over the coals for not outright condemning the "alt-right" Charlottesville Nazis and with good reason. He didn't immediately clarify that position and so it seemed he was supporting the extremists at the same time as the peaceful protesters (especially when it was uniquely organized by extremists)...and yet he expects the other party to take criticism for their acceptance of Antifa, for example? That's why we can't entertain leadership whose interests appear to be divided... Hillary Clinton had this defect, and that's one of the main reasons she lost the election, was because she was a terrible candidate in this way... they must be clear what we are supporting, not only in their words, but through actions... wanting to have their cake and eat it too is the definition of corruption... and is also another reason why voter apathy is so high here...

So what has he done to counter far right extremism?

Not a lot, Why?... Surely it's his job, he's up to his permatanned neck in altright linked advisors, supporters and advocates... Where's the condemnation?! The outrage?!

What has HE 'learned'? ...nothing, and what does anyone do or expect him to do?....NOTHING.
Why?

[DemolitionRed]

You will do well NOT to make statements which 'put words into my mouth' and MISREPRESENT what I write - SOMETHING which is becoming habitual with you where my posts are concerned.

In addition to several white British friends, I have also great, genuine, and close friendships with quite a few Jewish people in Manchester and London, Pakistani Muslims and Sikhs in Huddersfield West Yorkshire, some Indians in West London, several Polish and Albanians in South Yorkshire, West Indians and Afro-Carribeans in Leeds, West Yorkshire, and members of the LGBT community throughout various parts of the UK - NONE of which clouds me to the facts that not ALL of their race, type, or ethnicity are nice, decent human beings.

I have ALWAYS stated on here whenever I have slated Islamic Terrorists or Benefit Scroungers for example, that I am NOT referring to ALL Muslims or GENUINE Benefit Claimants, and it is exactly the same with Jews - NOT ALL Jews are good, decent people and Jewdas is certainly neither good or decent.

Unlike your good self, I do NOT slavishly follow ANY political party and I am NOT BLIND to bad politicians of ALL persuasions NOR bad people of ALL races, ethnicity or creed, and my liking of GOOD JEWS is - as my liking of GOOD MUSLIMS - because they are GOOD not because they are Jews.

Really!


Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas.


I put no words in your mouth. You did it all on your own.

[jet]

How scary and pathetic is it that Corbyn, at the mature age of 68 and aspiring to become PM with 'kinder and gentler politics', has been recommended to receive antisemitic training by Momentum chief Jon Lansman.
You couldn't make it up. D:

[Kizzy]

Judaism is a religion Jews are a people. The point is that it is no rarity these days for individuals or groups to detest their own people and their own country.

That is my perception from posts on here and on Social Media and - as Jet has pointed out - from some of our own politicians'

I didn't say they weren't, again I don't see the reach you've made to antiBritishness (which obviously isn't a 'thing,' you just invented it).

[DemolitionRed]

How scary and pathetic is it that Corbyn, at the mature age of 68 and aspiring to become PM with 'kinder and gentler politics', has been recommended to receive antisemitic training by Momentum chief Jon Lansman.
You couldn't make it up. D:

Jewdas also give antisemitic training and I agree, its not a bad idea he takes lessons. The thing is, its very easy to say the wrong thing, lots of people here are doing it and its not because they are anti-Jewish but because they use certain terminology.

[DemolitionRed]

Yeah I'd read but that doesn't really enlighten very much... I'm open to hearing what his "learning experiences" actually were, if the interest is to be transparent... I can understand someone studying a group out of curiosity in their own time... joining and then engaging them is different than studying them from afar... though sometimes people study extreme movements up close in order to study their behavior in order to circumvent, but it could be just as easily to engage their own shadow side as well, and that's the rub... if he made himself fairly accessible to these fringe philosophies, then it wouldn't seem such a stretch to think that he would may be open to entertaining how to better accommodate those interests... he is a politician with a major career after all, not just a bored citizen with too much time on their hands and not enough to do with their time... I'm sure he could've gotten the "intel" some other manner if he was interesting in putting together a taskforce, for example...

It's not like he's suddenly the face of Anti-Antisemitism. He has not placed himself antithetical to those movements from what I understand? Maybe it's me, but it seems like he's actually downplaying the venom of these belief systems, when he thought it was significant enough to want to associate with them up close and study them in person?... Unless his intention was to welcome those interactions, then he needs to explain the true reason behind that contradiction... and saying he wants to fraternize for the sake of studying is like saying, I'm the boyfriend and I want to go into my girlfriend's room to study with her because I want to "encourage" her dedication towards her education... too much secrecy there and I think good reason to be concerned with what he was actually up to while in those spaces.

Trump was raked over the coals for not outright condemning the "alt-right" Charlottesville Nazis and with good reason. He didn't immediately clarify that position and so it seemed he was supporting the extremists at the same time as the peaceful protesters (especially when it was uniquely organized by extremists)...and yet he expects the other party to take criticism for their acceptance of Antifa, for example? That's why we can't entertain leadership whose interests appear to be divided... Hillary Clinton had this defect, and that's one of the main reasons she lost the election, was because she was a terrible candidate in this way... they must be clear what we are supporting, not only in their words, but through actions... wanting to have their cake and eat it too is the definition of corruption... and is also another reason why voter apathy is so high here...

No doubt Corbyn was already in that group and he most certainly has a good grasp on Israel, Zionism and the Left. Early in his campaign he suggested the British government stopped supporting and funding Israel as he see's it as an apartheid. He doesn't want to get rid of the state of Israel, he just doesn't want this country to support a people that are oppressing others. Corbyn is a man who hates racism and oppression and so he will stick to his guns on this regardless of what the press throw at him. He's up against a power house that will do everything they possibly can to stop him gaining power and perhaps they. We'l just have to see if this rabid press pays off.

So he attended a Left wing anti-Zionist gathering because of the way he swings regarding Israel.

[Kizzy]

No doubt Corbyn was already in that group and he most certainly has a good grasp on Israel, Zionism and the Left. Early in his campaign he suggested the British government stopped supporting and funding Israel as he see's it as an apartheid. He doesn't want to get rid of the state of Israel, he just doesn't want this country to support a people that are oppressing others. Corbyn is a man who hates racism and oppression and so he will stick to his guns on this regardless of what the press throw at him. He's up against a power house that will do everything they possibly can to stop him gaining power and perhaps they. We'l just have to see if this rabid press pays off.

So he attended a Left wing anti-Zionist gathering because of the way he swings regarding Israel.

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[kirklancaster]

Really!



I put no words in your mouth. You did it all on your own.

REALLY?

HERE IS WHAT I POSTED:

"Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas."

AND HERE IS YOUR RESPONSE:

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed View Post
So Jews are good people providing they are the sort of Jews you have a political affiliation with.

Ok!?!

Now, any IMPARTIAL reader can scrutinise my post and what I ACTUALLY stated, and compare it with what you are saying I said in your response, and CLEARLY see that you are MISREPRESENTING me.

For instance, I NEVER mentioned ANYWHERE in my post that I have ANY 'Political Affiliation' with ANY Jew, DID I?

Secondly, as can be verified by READING the post, my ENTIRE post was specifically about 'Jewdas' AND what I - and others - perceive as the truth about them, and I did NOT mention ANYTHING about 'Good Jews' or Bad Jews either for that matter.

So you ARE - once again - MISREPRESENTING what I write with ABSOLUTELY NO justification for doing so.

I have even taken the trouble to expound for you in the post below, that I do NOT befriend or affiliate myself with Jew, Muslim, Afro Carribean. British Whites or any other human being because of their Colour, Race, Ethnicity, Creed OR Politics, but do so simply because they happen to be decent and good people - in my opinion.

Yet you have this post also before you and STILL persist with your misrepresentation.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post
You will do well NOT to make statements which 'put words into my mouth' and MISREPRESENT what I write - SOMETHING which is becoming habitual with you where my posts are concerned.

In addition to several white British friends, I have also great, genuine, and close friendships with quite a few Jewish people in Manchester and London, Pakistani Muslims and Sikhs in Huddersfield West Yorkshire, some Indians in West London, several Polish and Albanians in South Yorkshire, West Indians and Afro-Carribeans in Leeds, West Yorkshire, and members of the LGBT community throughout various parts of the UK - NONE of which clouds me to the facts that not ALL of their race, type, or ethnicity are nice, decent human beings.

I have ALWAYS stated on here whenever I have slated Islamic Terrorists or Benefit Scroungers for example, that I am NOT referring to ALL Muslims or GENUINE Benefit Claimants, and it is exactly the same with Jews - NOT ALL Jews are good, decent people and Jewdas is certainly neither good or decent.

Unlike your good self, I do NOT slavishly follow ANY political party and I am NOT BLIND to bad politicians of ALL persuasions NOR bad people of ALL races, ethnicity or creed, and my liking of GOOD JEWS is - as my liking of GOOD MUSLIMS - because they are GOOD not because they are Jews.

STOP misrepresenting what I write.

[jet]

Jewdas also give antisemitic training and I agree, its not a bad idea he takes lessons. The thing is, its very easy to say the wrong thing, lots of people here are doing it and its not because they are anti-Jewish but because they use certain terminology.

Jewdas insisted that the furore over Corbyn and antisemitism in the Labour party were just smears and booed when members names where called out who had attended the recent antisemitism protest at their seder with Corbyn!!! So I doubt they are at all proficient in delivering proper antisemitism training. I guess you agree with them though as you have joined?
I would dispute the idea that a leading statesman of the UK should need antisemitic training. How ridiculous.

[Kizzy]

REALLY?

HERE IS WHAT I POSTED:

"Totally correct LT.

They are NOT representative of ordinary Jews or mainstream Jewish organisations and are fanatically anti-Israel, and, if anything, are even not-so-covertly anti-Semitic in essence.

Even the name - Jewdas - is a glaring pun on Judas."

AND HERE IS YOUR RESPONSE:

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed View Post
So Jews are good people providing they are the sort of Jews you have a political affiliation with.

Ok!?!

Now, any IMPARTIAL reader can scrutinise my post and what I ACTUALLY stated, and compare it with what you are saying I said in your response, and CLEARLY see that you are MISREPRESENTING me.

For instance, I NEVER mentioned ANYWHERE in my post that I have ANY 'Political Affiliation' with ANY Jew, DID I?

Secondly, as can be verified by READING the post, my ENTIRE post was specifically about 'Jewdas' AND what I - and others - perceive as the truth about them, and I did NOT mention ANYTHING about 'Good Jews' or Bad Jews either for that matter.

So you ARE - once again - MISREPRESENTING what I write with ABSOLUTELY NO justification for doing so.

I have even taken the trouble to expound for you in the post below, that I do NOT befriend or affiliate myself with Jew, Muslim, Afro Carribean. British Whites or any other human being because of their Colour, Race, Ethnicity, Creed OR Politics, but do so simply because they happen to be decent and good people - in my opinion.

Yet you have this post also before you and STILL persist with your misrepresentation.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post
You will do well NOT to make statements which 'put words into my mouth' and MISREPRESENT what I write - SOMETHING which is becoming habitual with you where my posts are concerned.

In addition to several white British friends, I have also great, genuine, and close friendships with quite a few Jewish people in Manchester and London, Pakistani Muslims and Sikhs in Huddersfield West Yorkshire, some Indians in West London, several Polish and Albanians in South Yorkshire, West Indians and Afro-Carribeans in Leeds, West Yorkshire, and members of the LGBT community throughout various parts of the UK - NONE of which clouds me to the facts that not ALL of their race, type, or ethnicity are nice, decent human beings.

I have ALWAYS stated on here whenever I have slated Islamic Terrorists or Benefit Scroungers for example, that I am NOT referring to ALL Muslims or GENUINE Benefit Claimants, and it is exactly the same with Jews - NOT ALL Jews are good, decent people and Jewdas is certainly neither good or decent.

Unlike your good self, I do NOT slavishly follow ANY political party and I am NOT BLIND to bad politicians of ALL persuasions NOR bad people of ALL races, ethnicity or creed, and my liking of GOOD JEWS is - as my liking of GOOD MUSLIMS - because they are GOOD not because they are Jews.

STOP misrepresenting what I write.

There was a distinct conformation bias to the tone of your post... Any impartial reader can see that.

Could you define an 'ordinary Jew' for me please?

[bots]

Kirk, your post was perfectly clear, don't rise to the bait

[kirklancaster]

Kirk, your post was perfectly clear, don't rise to the bait

Thank you BOTS - I won't.

[jet]

Kirk, your post was perfectly clear, don't rise to the bait

I agree. What is also perfectly clear is the diversion tactics used to steer the conversation away from the growing misdeeds of the Almighty One.

[Kizzy]

we are a group of British Jews who are deeply proud of being Jewish. We have always put humour and satire at the heart of what we do – because, frankly, politics and religion are far too dull otherwise. But don’t be mistaken: we are completely serious about what we do.

Since 2005, we have attempted to build a community based around activist, socialist and diasporist Judaism in the UK. While most of us are also active in our local synagogues and other Jewish cultural organisations, only together have we felt able to build the kind of freethinking, traditionally radical Judaism that is needed in the 21st century.'

When this year a friend and constituent of Jeremy Corbyn invited him to attend, he accepted the invitation. He came, bringing horseradish from his own allotment for use on the communal seder plate (the horseradish symbolises the bitterness the Israelites experienced as slaves to Pharaoh in Egypt). He sat attentively through a four-hour event, agreeing gamely to read the Elijah’s cup section when asked. He participated fully, and chatted afterwards to many attendees. We were very happy to have him as a guest, and he was happy to join us.

In a normal situation, you might think that the leader of the opposition attending a seder with a group of 100 young, committed Jews might be a simple good news story. But if you’re determined to brand Jeremy Corbyn an antisemite, it seems that literally any story will do.

We have grown used to being smeared as self-hating Jews. But labelling us a source of “virulent antisemitism” as the Board of Deputies leader, Jonathan Arkush, did today is seriously scraping the barrel. The truth is, we love Judaism and Jewish culture, as every one of our events demonstrates.

The idea that there is a “mainstream Jewish community” is a fiction, promoted by a group of self-selecting individuals and institutions who have run out of ideas. There are approximately 300,000 Jews in Britain, with a huge diversity of religious and political ideas represented among them.

No single organisation can speak for us all. To claim that we in Jewdas are somehow not real Jews is offensive, and frankly antisemitic. Chag Sameach to everyone – wishing you all a happy Passover. May we use this festival to liberate ourselves from all oppression and stand up for justice everywhere.'

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/03/jeremy-corbyn-passover-jewdas-good-news

[Kizzy]

Kirk, your post was perfectly clear, don't rise to the bait

What bait?... He accused a Jewish group of antisemitism!

How dare you chirrup from behind the curtains BOTS, if you have an opinion let's hear it, don't mock mine as 'bait' then scuttle off :/

[kirklancaster]

What bait?... He accused a Jewish group of antisemitism!

How dare you chirrup from behind the curtains BOTS, if you have an opinion let's hear it, don't mock mine as 'bait' then scuttle off :/

Yet you answered my response post to Demolition Red?

BOTS was making a fair comment as you were.

[Kizzy]

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“Boo! Corbyn needs to get out and meets some Jews!”

[Corbyn spends Passover with some Jews at Jewdas]

“Boo! Not those Jews!”

[Kizzy]

Yet you answered my response post to Demolition Red?

BOTS was making a fair comment as you were.

Yes I was,as was DR, you were accusing a Jewish group of antisemitism, she saw it and I saw it... just because BOTS doesn't see it doesn't mean we were baiting.

[Kizzy]

Discuss...

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I’m baffled by this, on two fronts.
1. Why would Mr Corbyn go there, especially after the last couple of weeks?
2. Where do all these nutters come from?

( plus omitted 'wikiguido' :/)

Erm.....


'David Irving, the controversial historian helping the Sunday Times with a serialisation of the diaries of Joseph Goebbels, returned to Britain from Moscow yesterday and attended a seminar organised to question the facts of the Holocaust.'

'Mr Irving blamed the controversy on rival historians jealous of his latest coup and reiterated to reporters his view that Auschwitz 'was undoubtedly a brutal slave labour camp but it wasn't a factory of death. The gas chambers were a figment of British propaganda.'

'As disclosed last week by The Independent, Mr Irving had been in Moscow on behalf of the Sunday Times preparing a translation of what is thought to be the only complete version of the diaries of Hitler's propaganda minister. He has been criticised as an unsuitable person to handle such material and the Sunday Times, which is paying him a six-figure sum, has been criticised for employing him.'

The serialisation of the diaries is due to begin next week. Yesterday The Independent on Sunday asked the editor of the Sunday Times, Andrew Neil, about the claims of a Swiss citizen, Francois Genoud, to copyright over Goebbels's writings. Mr Genoud is an admirer of Hitler and is associated with Nazi causes.

Mr Neil said that if Mr Irving and Mr Genoud had reached any arrangement over Mr Irving's intended book on Goebbels, that was Mr Irving's affair. But the paper had not dealt and would not deal with Mr Genoud and would never pay him money. Mr Genoud may have had a past in the Nazi party: 'We're not talking about an amateur Nazi like Irving here,' said Mr Neil.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/irving-back-to-anti-nazi-fury-1531352.html

[Kizzy]

From the same article...
A leaflet advertising the seminar said it was organised by a group of students of Second World War history to 'consider the Holocaust'.

The leaflet stated: 'As a result of Jewish media control, most Britons are unaware that in recent years a growing number of 'Revisionist' historians . . . have formed the opinion that while anti-Jewish atrocities were perpetuated by the Germans during the war, the core 'Holocaust' story that six million Jews were systematically exterminated in gas chambers and then incinerated in ovens, cannot be sustained . . .'

The demonstrators discovered the venue for yesterday's seminar by following guests from a rendezvous at a West End hotel. The guests had been vetted by the British National Party, which was thought to have helped to organise the meeting.

The demonstration had been arranged in protest at the seminar, but some of the anger was directed at Mr Neil. The organisers, the Campaign Against Fascism in Europe, described Mr Irving as 'probably the world's leading apologist for Hitler' and said he was regarded by open fascists throughout Europe as 'the Fuhrer'. A leaflet handed to passers-by said: 'His ideas are being enormously boosted by Andrew Neil, who is either an absolute idiotic donkey or only interested in his circulation figures'.

Well well well...

[DemolitionRed]

Good find Kizzy.

[DemolitionRed]

Wow, so Jewdas are also borderline Holocaust deniers? Corbyn sure can pick 'em!

Where have they said such a thing?

[DemolitionRed]

Oliver, why do you support Zionism?

[Oliver_W]

Where have they said such a thing?

Kizzy's multiple-post sperging on is hard to follow sometimes, I assumed the "leaflet advertising the seminar" was referring to the event Corbyn attended.

[DemolitionRed]

Kizzy's multiple-post sperging on is hard to follow sometimes, I assumed the "leaflet advertising the seminar" was referring to the event Corbyn attended.

It was only a newspaper article!

[MTVN]

Kizzy randomly started going on about something Andrew Neil was involved in over twenty five years ago instead even though no one on here had mentioned Andrew Neil

[kirklancaster]

Yes I was,as was DR, you were accusing a Jewish group of antisemitism, she saw it and I saw it... just because BOTS doesn't see it doesn't mean we were baiting.

Yes, I was accusing 'Jewdas' of being anti-Semitic in ESSENCE but Demolition Red's response post to me had no relevance whatsoever to whether I was accusing 'Jewdas' of anti-Semitism or not - as I have PROVED above and which she has not responded to.

But that aside, what has my accusation to do with you or Demolition Red? Are you both now Officially Policing the forums for perfectly valid posts to unjustly 'hatchet' because such posts do not align with your own skewed views?

If you do not agree with my opinions then merely post a valid response which actually ADDS to the debate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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“Boo! Corbyn needs to get out and meets some Jews!”

[Corbyn spends Passover with some Jews at Jewdas]

“Boo! Not those Jews!”

To try and justify a potential leader of this country spending 4 hours with a gaggle of immature extremist kids who say **** gay police, all police are bastards is honestly beyond ridiculous

I dont think members will forget this thread for a long time or the attempts to justify repulsive behavior of the alt-left


Its interesting to note that most of our left leaning members have avoided this thread like the plague and rightly so

[kirklancaster]

To try and justify a potential leader of this country spending 4 hours with a gaggle of immature extremist kids who say **** gay police, all police are bastards is honestly beyond ridiculous

I dont think members will forget this thread for a long time or the attempts to justify repulsive behavior of the alt-left


Its interesting to note that most of our left leaning members have avoided this thread like the plague and rightly so

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[bots]

Yes, I was accusing 'Jewdas' of being anti-Semitic in ESSENCE but Demolition Red's response post to me had no relevance whatsoever to whether I was accusing 'Jewdas' of anti-Semitism or not - as I have PROVED above and which she has not responded to.

But that aside, what has my accusation to do with you or Demolition Red? Are you both now Officially Policing the forums for perfectly valid posts to unjustly 'hatchet' because such posts do not align with your own skewed views?

If you do not agree with my opinions then merely post a valid response which actually ADDS to the debate.

Exactly Kirk. Everyone can see what's going on here and it appears to be supported by the moderating team. :shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

Yes, I was accusing 'Jewdas' of being anti-Semitic in ESSENCE but Demolition Red's response post to me had no relevance whatsoever to whether I was accusing 'Jewdas' of anti-Semitism or not - as I have PROVED above and which she has not responded to.

But that aside, what has my accusation to do with you or Demolition Red? Are you both now Officially Policing the forums for perfectly valid posts to unjustly 'hatchet' because such posts do not align with your own skewed views?

If you do not agree with my opinions then merely post a valid response which actually ADDS to the debate.

No, we are just standing up for the Jews who are being shot down as fanatics and non-Jews. There are many thousands of members on that site you condemn, most are likely Jewish.

This thread is all about how Corbyn and the Left have an antisemitic problem and people are jumping on little snippets that feed their agenda. I came back in here because Kizzy was being treated like some sort of traitor and because some people on here started bordering on racism towards a certain type of Jew.

It was hypocritical beyond belief.

[DemolitionRed]

To try and justify a potential leader of this country spending 4 hours with a gaggle of immature extremist kids who say **** gay police, all police are bastards is honestly beyond ridiculous

I dont think members will forget this thread for a long time or the attempts to justify repulsive behavior of the alt-left


Its interesting to note that most of our left leaning members have avoided this thread like the plague and rightly so

Who would blame them. Its like jumping into a pit of hungry vultures and they would be totally outnumbered, their words attacked regardless by people who clearly have only one agenda. If you go on The Daily Mirror or The Independent and Politico comment section or if you go on sites like Digital Spy, people are having open dialogues and so are able to talk frankly without being chased out and laughed at. On here it feels more like the Daily Mail comment section. This is a hugely emotive topic and one where people are heavily frowned upon and are totally outnumberd if they dare disagree.

I came in when I started to see antisemitic comments which was bound to happen the longer this thread went on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, we are just standing up for the Jews who are being shot down as fanatics and non-Jews. There are many thousands of members on that site you condemn, most are likely Jewish.

This thread is all about how Corbyn and the Left have an antisemitic problem and people are jumping on little snippets that feed their agenda. I came back in here because Kizzy was being treated like some sort of traitor and because some people on here started bordering on racism towards a certain type of Jew.

It was hypocritical beyond belief.

So the thread is about Corbyn and the fact he is anti-Semitic and you are not addressing that but instead focusing on individual members and mini-modding?

[DemolitionRed]

So the thread is about Corbyn and the fact he is anti-Semitic and you are not addressing that but instead focusing on individual members and mini-modding?

Ok, I'll give my thoughts on Corbyn so you have it in black and white.

I don't believe Corbyn has a racist bone in his body. He's big on human rights and that's why he's been vocal about Israel/Palestine. I think some of his party have made foolish comments and should be treated appropriately (sacked or heavily reprimanded).

Nearly all of this is about calling any opposition to the Israeli government, "anti-Semitism" a ridiculous claim as many Jews oppose not only Netanyahu and his policies, but also oppose Zionism and the existence of Israel as a state. Corbyn has never opposed an Israeli state. What he's opposed is Israel, supported by the West, controlling four and a half million Arab Muslims by military force. He opposes the apartheid and the continual land grabs. He opposes the breaking of the UN resolution. He opposes the bastardization one of the pillars (I think its the third) of the IDF which is 'assassination' that should only ever be used as a preventative measure when under dire threat but is now being used at youths who throw stones. He opposes the use of human shields. He opposes the partition wall in the West Bank that prevents 36,000 people from accessing essential services and violates international law on every level.

Many people, Jews included oppose all of these things but Corbyn was a voice and I firmly believe that's why he's being demonized now. We are moving towards the next elections and the nasty party had a cunning plan up their sleeve.

In some ways I'm furious with Corbyn. He's had to back track and appologize for the sake of damage limitation but apologizing feeds the thoughts of those who believe he's guilty of some heinous crime. He's deleted thousands of supportive tweets, not because they are racist in anyway but because they don't support Israel and could be used as further fodder against him.

The press have dug up so much dirt on Corbyn because the baying crowd on the Right buy the papers with the juiciest Corbyn slurs. The Israeli propaganda machine is going hell for leather and people are leaving his party, not because of the slurs but because they are seeing Corbyn's weakness in all of this. They wanted, expected even that he would fight fire with fire. He didn't and that could be his demise.

So I congratulate the Tories who've done probably one of the best assassinations I've ever seen.

[Oliver_W]

Is it so hard to say "I support Corbyn, but meeting with Jewdas was pretty stupid" ? Why does it have to be "so there da wrung kind of jews, REEE?!?!" ?

[Livia]

A two-month investigation by the Sunday Times into the 20 biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups has found that many of them contain anti-Semitic, racist and abusive comments. The Facebook groups covered in its report have a membership of around 400,000 people including 12 senior staff working for Jeremy Corbyn and shadow chancellor John McDonnell.

If you're not a part of the solution....

[Kazanne]

Ok, I'll give my thoughts on Corbyn so you have it in black and white.

I don't believe Corbyn has a racist bone in his body. He's big on human rights and that's why he's been vocal about Israel/Palestine. I think some of his party have made foolish comments and should be treated appropriately (sacked or heavily reprimanded).

Nearly all of this is about calling any opposition to the Israeli government, "anti-Semitism" a ridiculous claim as many Jews oppose not only Netanyahu and his policies, but also oppose Zionism and the existence of Israel as a state. Corbyn has never opposed an Israeli state. What he's opposed is Israel, supported by the West, controlling four and a half million Arab Muslims by military force. He opposes the apartheid and the continual land grabs. He opposes the breaking of the UN resolution. He opposes the bastardization one of the pillars (I think its the third) of the IDF which is 'assassination' that should only ever be used as a preventative measure when under dire threat but is now being used at youths who throw stones. He opposes the use of human shields. He opposes the partition wall in the West Bank that prevents 36,000 people from accessing essential services and violates international law on every level.

Many people, Jews included oppose all of these things but Corbyn was a voice and I firmly believe that's why he's being demonized now. We are moving towards the next elections and the nasty party had a cunning plan up their sleeve.

In some ways I'm furious with Corbyn. He's had to back track and appologize for the sake of damage limitation but apologizing feeds the thoughts of those who believe he's guilty of some heinous crime. He's deleted thousands of supportive tweets, not because they are racist in anyway but because they don't support Israel and could be used as further fodder against him.

The press have dug up so much dirt on Corbyn because the baying crowd on the Right buy the papers with the juiciest Corbyn slurs. The Israeli propaganda machine is going hell for leather and people are leaving his party, not because of the slurs but because they are seeing Corbyn's weakness in all of this. They wanted, expected even that he would fight fire with fire. He didn't and that could be his demise.

So I congratulate the Tories who've done probably one of the best assassinations I've ever seen.

If he is so squeaky clean,just where does the dirt come from to dig up:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are around 270,000 Jews in the UK, they have many well established groups and leaders who speak for them like Ephraim Mirvis, the Chief Rabbi or Jonathan Arkush, President of the Board of Deputies of Jews

In the midst of a huge anti-semitism row centred on JC what does he do?

he goes to meet an alt-left hate-filled "Jewish" splinter group who number 100 and an event at which hostility was expressed to the mainstream Jewish community.



Can anyone tell me why?

[DemolitionRed]

A two-month investigation by the Sunday Times into the 20 biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups has found that many of them contain anti-Semitic, racist and abusive comments. The Facebook groups covered in its report have a membership of around 400,000 people including 12 senior staff working for Jeremy Corbyn and shadow chancellor John McDonnell.

If you're not a part of the solution....

As I said, staff were working round the clock deleting tweets, not because they were necessarily racist but because they could be seen as racist by pro-Zionists.

I would love to see some of the tweets the Sunday Times got hold of.

The saying goes: "If you look for something you want to find you will eventually find it"

[DemolitionRed]

There are around 270,000 Jews in the UK, they have many well established groups and leaders who speak for them like Ephraim Mirvis, the Chief Rabbi or Jonathan Arkush, President of the Board of Deputies of Jews

In the midst of a huge anti-semitism row centred on JC what does he do?

he goes to meet an alt-left hate-filled "Jewish" splinter group who number 100 and an event at which hostility was expressed to the mainstream Jewish community.



Can anyone tell me why?

Because he supports their cause regardless of the Right trying to shut him down at every corner.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because he supports their cause regardless of the Right trying to shut him down at every corner.

what cause?

and who specifically on the right is doing this?

[Livia]

As I said, staff were working round the clock deleting tweets, not because they were necessarily racist but because they could be seen as racist by pro-Zionists.

I would love to see some of the tweets the Sunday Times got hold of.

The saying goes: "If you look for something you want to find you will eventually find it"

The only one on here who seems to have a problem understanding the Zionism thing, is you. It's your get-out-of-jail card when it comes to speaking about anti-Semitism.

And yeah, nice quote at the end there. Here's one for you: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

[Livia]

Because he supports their cause regardless of the Right trying to shut him down at every corner.

So... everyone right of Jewdas.... That's most groups.

[DemolitionRed]

The only one on here who seems to have a problem understanding the Zionism thing, is you. It's your get-out-of-jail card when it comes to speaking about anti-Semitism.

And yeah, nice quote at the end there. Here's one for you: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Lets get one thing straight because your undertone suggests I'm anti-Semitic and coming from you, that holds a mighty punch.

I have nothing against your Jewish affiliation and I don't regard your Zionism as part and parcel of your religion. I'm sure you will argue with that but my stance remains, Zionism is a political movement and not a religious one. A lot of Jews would agree with me; a lot wouldn't. Its no different than disliking one political movement over another. I also appreciate that there's a Left wing Zionist movement in Israel. You can be a Zionist and support an independent state alongside Israel and see the Left Bank occupation as tragic but the Zionist Federation Refuses to Accept Left-wing pro-Israel Movement. In other words they have no voice.

So lets leave Zionism out of things and concentrate on the political think tanks both in Israel and globally instead of intertwining Judaism in all of this because when we intertwine Judaism, you can make accusations of anti-Semitism on here and be believed by all those people on your side. You need to stop using your faith as a weapon to stop political thinkers questioning truths.

Another thing, after reading numerous work from young IDF soldiers I got a very strong impression that their families were totally unaware about just how badly Palestinian families are treated. They live in a utopia and don't see what goes on because the horrors are so well concealed. I believe many Zionists would be horrified if and when they discover all is not as it appears.

[DemolitionRed]

If he is so squeaky clean,just where does the dirt come from to dig up:shrug:

Remember the link I put up about Tory party racism. Some of that dirt was highly racist and some of that racism was antisemitic. So, we can all dig up dirt and pick out the bits that highlight our beliefs and ignore the bits we don't regard as relevant. The bit I dug up was regarded as irrelevant and I was firmly told this wasn't about the Tories, it was about Corbyn!!

Nobody is squeaky clean. Just about every MP and Lord sitting in parliament could have some dirt dug up about them if journalists were prepared to spend the time. That though wouldn't sell newspapers.

I believe the majority can see this for what it is. Its an out and out assassination by a very clever and equally cunning right wing think tank. Most liberal minded people stopped reading this mountain of attacks after the first few prints and that's why some liberal papers dropped the subject or just made some small mention of it without making it a headline. Right wing papers have continued because the Right wing buy their papers but remember, its not the Right that vote for Corbyn.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lets get one thing straight because your undertone suggests I'm anti-Semitic and coming from you, that holds a mighty punch.

I have nothing against your Jewish affiliation and I don't regard your Zionism as part and parcel of your religion. I'm sure you will argue with that but my stance remains, Zionism is a political movement and not a religious one. A lot of Jews would agree with me; a lot wouldn't. Its no different than disliking one political movement over another. I also appreciate that there's a Left wing Zionist movement in Israel. You can be a Zionist and support an independent state alongside Israel and see the Left Bank occupation as tragic but the Zionist Federation Refuses to Accept Left-wing pro-Israel Movement. In other words they have no voice.

So lets leave Zionism out of things and concentrate on the political think tanks both in Israel and globally instead of intertwining Judaism in all of this because when we intertwine Judaism, you can make accusations of anti-Semitism on here and be believed by all those people on your side. You need to stop using your faith as a weapon to put political thinkers questioning truths.

Another thing, after reading numerous work from young IDF soldiers I got a very strong impression that their families were totally unaware about just how badly Palestinian families are treated. They live in a utopia and don't see what goes on because the horrors are so well concealed. I believe many Zionists would be horrified if and when they discover all is not as it appears.

again you are ranting about Israel, this is not about Israel its about corbyn being ant-Semitic?

please stop derailing the thread

[jet]

If he is so squeaky clean,just where does the dirt come from to dig up:shrug:

One sentence can speak a thousand words. :wavey:

[jet]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/941269/Jewdas-Jeremy-Corbyn-anti-semitism-Labour-party-prayer-the-queen

'****' the Queen' Vile attack on Royals by radical group behind Corbyn's Passover meal

JEWDAS, the radical left-wing group that shared a Passover meal with embattled Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, made sickening attacks against the Queen and Prince Philip and called for Parliament to be burnt down, it has been claimed.
The militant group published the vile prayer about the Royal Family in which they said “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip”.

The shock revelation comes after Mr Corbyn was blasted for meeting with the group Jewdas for a Jewish Seder event while his party is engulfed in an anti-Semitism crisis.

The left-wing group last year published a “Prayer against the State of Israel” that ended by saying: “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip. Burn down Parliament. Full Communism. Amen”.

It also included the words “Please God, smash the State of Israel. Smash it in the abundance of your love,” according to the Daily Mail.
...................
Corbyn continues to associate with the nicest people, eh? One can only assume he feels they are a good fit for him, as do some of his more rabid supporters.

[DemolitionRed]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/941269/Jewdas-Jeremy-Corbyn-anti-semitism-Labour-party-prayer-the-queen

'****' the Queen' Vile attack on Royals by radical group behind Corbyn's Passover meal

JEWDAS, the radical left-wing group that shared a Passover meal with embattled Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, made sickening attacks against the Queen and Prince Philip and called for Parliament to be burnt down, it has been claimed.
The militant group published the vile prayer about the Royal Family in which they said “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip”.

The shock revelation comes after Mr Corbyn was blasted for meeting with the group Jewdas for a Jewish Seder event while his party is engulfed in an anti-Semitism crisis.

The left-wing group last year published a “Prayer against the State of Israel” that ended by saying: “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip. Burn down Parliament. Full Communism. Amen”.

It also included the words “Please God, smash the State of Israel. Smash it in the abundance of your love,” according to the Daily Mail.
...................
Corbyn continues to associate with the nicest people, eh? One can only assume he feels they are a good fit for him, as do some of his more rabid supporters.

They are clearly anti-royalist. That's the one thing I don't like about this group as I'm very much a royalist. That though, wasn't enough to stop me joining and I'm sure Corbyn didn't join because of their anti-royalness, but hey, it gives you something else to pin on him!!

[Niamh.]

Back ontopic please, also just to clarify DR didn't report Livia.

[jet]

They are clearly anti-royalist. That's the one thing I don't like about this group as I'm very much a royalist. That though, wasn't enough to stop me joining and I'm sure Corbyn didn't join because of their anti-royalness, but hey, it gives you something else to pin on him!!

Oh I'm certain that Corbyn or anyone else didn't join just because of their anti - royalness. You miss the point - and that is how nasty and provocative a group they appear to be which a little research shows. Which is fine if one likes that sort of thing and Corbyn et al obviously do.

[DemolitionRed]

Back ontopic please, also just to clarify DR didn't report Livia.

TY!

[DemolitionRed]

again you are ranting about Israel, this is not about Israel its about corbyn being ant-Semitic?

please stop derailing the thread

If you don't like what I say you don't have to read it. What have I derailed?

[Maru]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/941269/Jewdas-Jeremy-Corbyn-anti-semitism-Labour-party-prayer-the-queen

'****' the Queen' Vile attack on Royals by radical group behind Corbyn's Passover meal

JEWDAS, the radical left-wing group that shared a Passover meal with embattled Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, made sickening attacks against the Queen and Prince Philip and called for Parliament to be burnt down, it has been claimed.
The militant group published the vile prayer about the Royal Family in which they said “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip”.

The shock revelation comes after Mr Corbyn was blasted for meeting with the group Jewdas for a Jewish Seder event while his party is engulfed in an anti-Semitism crisis.

The left-wing group last year published a “Prayer against the State of Israel” that ended by saying: “****" the Queen and especially **** Prince Philip. Burn down Parliament. Full Communism. Amen”.

It also included the words “Please God, smash the State of Israel. Smash it in the abundance of your love,” according to the Daily Mail.
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Corbyn continues to associate with the nicest people, eh? One can only assume he feels they are a good fit for him, as do some of his more rabid supporters.

Nice. Code for?...

https://media.giphy.com/media/vRGJFlioW8FIueELRz/giphy.gif

[Vicky.]

OK, still not finished looking over the deleted stuff (or the stuff I just deleted, just basically nuked the past few hours of posts without reading...so if any actual ontopic stuff has been removed just PM me) but reopening.

Please keep ontopic or infractions will be given, and we really do not need anymore bans... :/

I don't want to have to permanently close a thread thats generated so much conversation but if it keeps going the same way then I will do it tbh.

PM james if you have issue with anything thats happened here too, rather than bringing it back up in here.

Please do not reply to this post, as obviously that will also be offtopic :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Ok, I'll give my thoughts on Corbyn so you have it in black and white.

I don't believe Corbyn has a racist bone in his body.

^ Some people 'BELIEVE' that the Earth is 'Flat' and others that the moon is made of 'Green Cheese' and they do so DESPITE overwhelming FACT-BASED evidence to the contrary.

Corbyn is IRREFUTABLY anti-Semitic.

Corbyn DEFINES himself as anti-Semitic by his OWN words and his OWN deeds.

His own SELF-DAMNING words and deeds have been on record for decades and the motivations of the many different people or organisations who are now bringing this record 'to light' is totally irrelevant - only the TRUTH matters.

Corbyn himself has left that long record of his anti-Semitism just as surely as 'Man Friday' left his footprint in the sand of Robinson Crusoe Island, and NO ONE who is now retracing that long record has INVENTED or DISTORTED the facts, they are merely reporting those facts.

'THE IRREFUTABLE TRUTH ON THIS MATTER IS OUT THERE' and no amount of whitewashing or smoke-screening or inane denying by fanatical Corbyn supporters can CHANGE that truth because 'that bell has rung'.

"He's big on human rights and that's why he's been vocal about Israel/Palestine."

^ Corbyn keeps 'Human Rights' in his toolbox. It is such a useful tool to have handy, but must only to be used for the 'Right Job' and in Corbyn's case that is almost exclusively any situation which concerns ONLY those people whose CAUSES he ESPOUSES - usually Palestinians and Terrorists.

Is there ONE example ON RECORD of Corbyn being 'Big on Human Rights' or even having SYMPATHY for the thousands of Israeli's - the MAJORITY of them unarmed innocent civilian men, women AND children - killed and wounded by Palestinian Terrorist attacks in Israel?

'Being vocal about Israel/Palestine' is one thing, but being EQUITABLE in that vociferosity and basing that vociferosity on the TRUTH and hard FACTS is quite another, and EVERYTHING which Corbyn has to say on 'Israel/Palestine' is propaganda tailored to advance is own skewed PRO-PALESTINIAN agenda.

" I think some of his party have made foolish comments and should be treated appropriately (sacked or heavily reprimanded)".

^ "Foolish comments"? Is this the UNDERSTATEMENT of the year?:

Jackie Walker, a vice chair of Momentum - APOLOGISED for:

Denigrating security provision at Jewish schools. Make false claims about the universality of National Holocaust Memorial Day. Challenging accepted definitions of anti-Semitism.

Gerry Downing:

911 terrorist murderers 'Must never be condemned".

It is time to "wrestle with the 'Jewish Question'.

Vicky Kirby:

https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/vicki.png?resize=540%2C344&ssl=1

Tony Greenstein:

Made repeated "offensive comments online; offensive posts and comments on his blog; and an email in which he mocked the phrase ‘final solution.’ and repeatedly written blog posts and social media posts attacking senior Labour figures, including Jewish leaders in the party, and referring to Jewish activists as “Zios,” an anti-Semitic term used to describe supporters of Israel"

The list GOES ON AND ON - as you well KNOW - which is why over 50 Labour Pary members have been expelled for 'Unacceptable anti-Semitism' though some have been 'let back in' - and most political experts, including some Labour Party 'moderates', believe this figure to be merely the 'tip of the iceberg'.

So to describe this great UNACCEPTABLE number of Labour Party anti- Semitics as 'SOME', and to categorise their UNACCEPTABLE vile anti-Semitism as mere 'FOOLISH COMMENTS' is ludicrous and misleading.

"Nearly all of this is about calling any opposition to the Israeli government, "anti-Semitism" a ridiculous claim as many Jews oppose not only Netanyahu and his policies, but also oppose Zionism and the existence of Israel as a state."

^ Perhaps you would clarify just what you mean when you write; "Nearly all of this"?

If you mean the many revelations about Corbyn's decades-long dubious conduct then it is most certainly NOT 'nearly all about calling any opposition to the Israeli government anti-Semitism' or any other point which you seek to raise concerning Israel.

It is ABOUT Jeremy Corbyn and the RAMPANT and PROVEN and ADMITTED anti-Semitism which festers within the now malevolent core of his Labour Party, and bringing Israel into the thread is a mere if glaringly transparent attempt at deflection.

Incidentally, you are WRONG in your skewed statements about Israel and such a complex topic demands its own thread, so should you wish to initiate one I will GLADY contribute to it.

"Corbyn has never opposed an Israeli state. What he's opposed is Israel, supported by the West, controlling four and a half million Arab Muslims by military force. He opposes the apartheid and the continual land grabs. He opposes the breaking of the UN resolution. He opposes the bastardization one of the pillars (I think its the third) of the IDF which is 'assassination' that should only ever be used as a preventative measure when under dire threat but is now being used at youths who throw stones. He opposes the use of human shields. He opposes the partition wall in the West Bank that prevents 36,000 people from accessing essential services and violates international law on every level".

^ Virtually ALL the above is inaccurate, totally PRO-PALESTINIAN propaganda and as stated above needs to be debated under its OWN thread topic.

"Many people, Jews included oppose all of these things but Corbyn was a voice and I firmly believe that's why he's being demonized now. We are moving towards the next elections and the nasty party had a cunning plan up their sleeve."


^ Corbyn was most CERTAINLY a 'VOICE', one which has been recorded on numerous occasions referring to evil TERRORIST organisations such as Hamas and Hezbollah as “friends,” and repeatedly and often UNJUSTLY criticising the Israeli government, in addition to gushing support for the IRA as well as the Palestinian Authority and diverse anti-Semitic individuals AND Groups, and this being IRREFUTABLY true, then no one but Corbyn himself has DEMONISED Corbyn.

The 'Nasty Party' - is this play on word phonetics mere accident? If not, I would suggest that the term is better suited to the Labour Party given the irrefutable hatred by some of their members towards Jewish people.

However, as far as any 'cunning plan' up anyone's 'sleeve' I will say again that it is totally IRRELEVANT what the motives are of anyone reporting on Corbyn's unacceptable and highly dubious conduct or the unacceptable anti-Semitism within his Labour Party, and this also applies if the Tory Party or Right Wing ARE opportunistically seizing on these facts to capitalise from them.

If Man Friday had NEVER walked on that beach, Crusoe could NEVER have discovered his footprint.

"In some ways I'm furious with Corbyn. He's had to back track and appologize for the sake of damage limitation but apologizing feeds the thoughts of those who believe he's guilty of some heinous crime.


^ Defendants who have been caught for a string of crimes OFTEN apologise to the Criminal Court just before they are due to be sentenced.

This 'apology' has more to do with a desperation to remain at liberty than it has genuine remorse for the crimes.

And so it is with Comrade Jeremy; he has indeed 'backtracked' AND 'apologised', but it has ZILCH to do with any remorse or regret for the unacceptable things which he has said and done and is indeed ALL to do with 'Damage Limitation', because he is DESPERATE to become Prime Minister of this country and he realizes that the chances of that desire now becoming a reality are diminishing by the hour.

"He's deleted thousands of supportive tweets, not because they are racist in anyway but because they don't support Israel and could be used as further fodder against him."

^ :laugh2: Sorry, but the above really does beggar belief.

He has 'deleted thousands of supportive tweets' NOT because they are innocuous, but OBVIOUSLY specifically because they are DAMNING and WILL be used 'as further fodder against him."

Did you perchance consult Hilary Clinton and her former cronies when you wrote the above?

"The press have dug up so much dirt on Corbyn because the baying crowd on the Right buy the papers with the juiciest Corbyn slurs."

^ Absolute TOSH. What has been reported about Corbyn are FACTS, not allegations or 'Slurs', and NO ONE who is intelligent and learned enough to be able to actually READ, buys ANY newspaper SPECIFICALLY because it has the 'juiciest Corbyn slurs'.

"The Israeli propaganda machine is going hell for leather and people are leaving his party, not because of the slurs but because they are seeing Corbyn's weakness in all of this. They wanted, expected even that he would fight fire with fire. He didn't and that could be his demise."

^ Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that the 'ISRAELI'S' are responsible for the series of revelations of Corbyn's appalling conduct?

Are you SERIOUSLY claiming that 'people are leaving his party' because of their perceived weakness in how Corbyn has REACTED to his critics and NOT because of their disdain for his ACTIONS in committing all these offensive and wholly unacceptable offences in the first place?

Corbyn has been grovellingly - almost obsequiously - apologetic in his reaction to these revelations because even he KNOWS that THEY ARE ALL TRUE.

He DID it. He JOINED those anti-Semitic Organisations. He SPOUTED all those 'Terrorist-Loving' words. He gushingly SUPPORTED the IRA and Hamas and Hezbollah. He SUPPORTED anti-Semitic artists and Holocaust Deniers.

His 'DEMISE' will NOT be that he did not react like a Hawk to those criticising him for his actions, his demise will be because he PERPETRATED those actions.

"STOP PRESS. JUDGE DISMISSES YORKSHIRE RIPPER PETER SUTCLIFFE'S CRIMES BUT JAILS HIM ANYWAY FOR NOT STANDING UP TO THOSE CRITICISING THOSE CRIMES"

"So I congratulate the Tories who've done probably one of the best assassinations I've ever seen."

^ Come off it, You should be congratulating Comrade Corbyn for committing one of the best political Hara Kiris ever seen instead.



All in my opinion of course.

[DemolitionRed]

It really feels like you're on a mission and yet you are so wrong about so much. Whilst some on here may believe you and whilst the Right wing government and Right wing Israel would happily cheer you on, people to the Left including Jews won't.

I first saw Corbyn as the main speaker against the war in Iraq rally. He was vocal and passionate and told us what we already guessed, the truth. It turned out he was right.

It doesn't matter how many times you insist Corbyn is anti-Semitic, it won't make it true. Some people believe Israel is the persecuted country and people like the Holy Land five are guilty of terrorism. This are the sort of people Corbyn tries to seek justice for along with a lot of Jewish people who don't sit to the Right. You believe the facts Israel puts out. I don't and neither does Corbyn.

The irrefutable truth is, Corbyn stands with those who are being persecuted and stands against those who oppress them, regardless of their faith. People like you, people who hate Corbyn, will use that as a weapon of antisemitism and even use antisemitism to gain brownie points. Look a little deeper Kirk. Learn both sides of this conflict and not just one side. Learn about Zionism from not only from the Jews who support it but from the Jews who don't because only then can you come to some sort of level headed understanding.

You ask me to clarify what I mean but it would take all day and longer. Better you just listen to the words of an Israeli Jew, when you have the time and if you can be bothered.

This is about the HolyLand five. The sort of people you call terrorists

WaLv1LD9MCw

[DemolitionRed]

And here he is again. The man answering questions on why he turned from Zionism to activism qEV8DuBUfI4

[kirklancaster]

It really feels like you're on a mission and yet you are so wrong about so much. Whilst some on here may believe you and whilst the Right wing government and Right wing Israel would happily cheer you on, people to the Left including Jews won't.

I first saw Corbyn as the main speaker against the war in Iraq rally. He was vocal and passionate and told us what we already guessed, the truth. It turned out he was right.

It doesn't matter how many times you insist Corbyn is anti-Semitic, it won't make it true. Some people believe Israel is the persecuted country and people like the Holy Land five are guilty of terrorism. This are the sort of people Corbyn tries to seek justice for along with a lot of Jewish people who don't sit to the Right. You believe the facts Israel puts out. I don't and neither does Corbyn.

The irrefutable truth is, Corbyn stands with those who are being persecuted and stands against those who oppress them, regardless of their faith. People like you, people who hate Corbyn, will use that as a weapon of antisemitism and even use antisemitism to gain brownie points. Look a little deeper Kirk. Learn both sides of this conflict and not just one side. Learn about Zionism from not only from the Jews who support it but from the Jews who don't because only then can you come to some sort of level headed understanding.

You ask me to clarify what I mean but it would take all day and longer. Better you just listen to the words of an Israeli Jew, when you have the time and if you can be bothered.

This is about the HolyLand five. The sort of people you call terrorists

WaLv1LD9MCw

How ARROGANT and PRESUMPTIVE. I am well read and informed about Israel and 'Zionism' AND Palestinians thank you.

I do not claim that Israel is blameless in this complex matter but nor do I align with the 'Palestinian' 'cause' after DECADES of interest and research into the whole Israel issue.

As for your claims, it does not matter because neither of us is going to be swayed into changing our opinions or allegiances because of the others claims, which makes the whole point of further debating this issue all rather futile.

As for posting video clips which support your stance, I could FILL a hundred threads with similar which support mine - so again, all rather futile.

So until there is a dedicated Israel/Palestine thread I suggest that we both return to the topic of Corbyn and anti-Semitism within his Labour Party.

[DemolitionRed]

How ARROGANT and PRESUMPTIVE. I am well read and informed about Israel and 'Zionism' AND Palestinians thank you.

I do not claim that Israel is blameless in this complex matter but nor do I align with the 'Palestinian' 'cause' after DECADES of interest and research into the whole Israel issue.

As for your claims, it does not matter because neither of us is going to be swayed into changing our opinions or allegiances because of the others claims, which makes the whole point of further debating this issue all rather futile.

As for posting video clips which support your stance, I could FILL a hundred threads with similar which support mine - so again, all rather futile.

So until there is a dedicated Israel/Palestine thread I suggest that we both return to the topic of Corbyn and anti-Semitism within his Labour Party.

You don't need to post a hundred but a few may be informative.

As for returning to topic. Do you mean the topic of slating Corbyn for being ant-Semitic? because if you do, what I'm saying is very relevant in his defense. You may not like it but it explains a lot about what's been happening and why the Right wing government want to swing this into something much bigger and more outrageous that what it is.

I have never said that those who have used anti-Semitic slurs within the Labour Party shouldn't be brought to task. I was talking about Corbyn and Corbyn and accusations of anti-Semitism is very much a part of this topic.

As for me being arrogant, please explain?

[Kizzy]

I should like something clarified too, if the group Jewdas wrote an information book/pamphlet on antisemitism, how then are they antisemitic?

[Oliver_W]

Why was the Jewdas thread merged with this one when Jewdas have said vile things unrelated to anti-Semitism?

[kirklancaster]

You don't need to post a hundred but a few may be informative.

As for returning to topic. Do you mean the topic of slating Corbyn for being ant-Semitic? because if you do, what I'm saying is very relevant in his defense. You may not like it but it explains a lot about what's been happening and why the Right wing government want to swing this into something much bigger and more outrageous that what it is.

I have never said that those who have used anti-Semitic slurs within the Labour Party shouldn't be brought to task. I was talking about Corbyn and Corbyn and accusations of anti-Semitism is very much a part of this topic.

As for me being arrogant, please explain?

Your advice to me to "Look a little deeper Kirk. Learn both sides of this conflict and not just one side. Learn about Zionism" is NOT arrogant and presumptuous?

[kirklancaster]

I should like something clarified too, if the group Jewdas wrote an information book/pamphlet on antisemitism, how then are they antisemitic?

I refer to the definition of anti-Semitism as DEFINED by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance - a definition which has been formally agreed and adopted by the UK Government:

"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

Are not 'Jewdas' GUILTY of perpetrating ALL of the above?

One can be JEWISH and still be anti-Semitic just like one can be BRITISH and still be Anti-British AND anti-Britain.

[kirklancaster]

Is it cause im jewish looking?

:joker:

[DemolitionRed]

I refer to the definition of anti-Semitism as DEFINED by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance - a definition which has been formally agreed and adopted by the UK Government:

"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

Are not 'Jewdas' GUILTY of perpetrating ALL of the above?

One can be JEWISH and still be anti-Semitic just like one can be BRITISH and still be Anti-British AND anti-Britain.

The IHRA definition of antisemitism is being used to muzzle free speech on Israel/Palestine and on Zionism as a political ideology, which like any other political ideology can be supported or rejected and should be open to question.

We consider the IHRA definition/statement to be potentially dangerous for Jews. If opposition to Israeli policy and state action can be defined as “antisemitic” in such a manipulative way, then those who rightly continue to stand up for Palestinian rights might start to doubt the credibility of the label “antisemite”. Actions targeting the Israeli state may spread to more general Jewish targets, and genuinely antisemitic statements and actions may be taken less seriously.
http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/fight-antisemitism-and-defend-free-speech.

Jewdas are the people who are not allowed a voice. Even though Zionism is a relatively new idea, Zionists are now the largest and most powerful group of Jews in the world and any Jew who declines Zionism is considered a non Jew.

[kirklancaster]

The IHRA definition of antisemitism is being used to muzzle free speech on Israel/Palestine and on Zionism as a political ideology, which like any other political ideology can be supported or rejected and should be open to question.

We consider the IHRA definition/statement to be potentially dangerous for Jews. If opposition to Israeli policy and state action can be defined as “antisemitic” in such a manipulative way, then those who rightly continue to stand up for Palestinian rights might start to doubt the credibility of the label “antisemite”. Actions targeting the Israeli state may spread to more general Jewish targets, and genuinely antisemitic statements and actions may be taken less seriously.
http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/item/fight-antisemitism-and-defend-free-speech.

Jewdas are the people who are not allowed a voice. Even though Zionism is a relatively new idea, Zionists are now the largest and most powerful group of Jews in the world and any Jew who declines Zionism is considered a non Jew.

If Jewdas find themselves without a 'voice' due to not complying with the WIDELY ACCEPTED definition of anti-Semitism, then perhaps they should just cease talking infantile crap for the sake of sensationalism.

Seeing as how they are a tiny nutjob fringe group anyway, if they do clam up they will NOT be missed.

Incidentally, you always use the word Zionism as if it was a 'bad smell' - just what is your definition of the word?

[DemolitionRed]

If Jewdas find themselves without a 'voice' due to not complying with the WIDELY ACCEPTED definition of anti-Semitism, then perhaps they should just cease talking infantile crap for the sake of sensationalism.

Its not just Jewdas though is it, its all non-Zionist Jews. Why do Zionists get to make the rules on what anti-Semitism is? Judaism is a faith, not an political movement but you clearly support the political movement and **** the rest.


Seeing as how they are a tiny nutjob fringe group anyway, if they do clam up they will NOT be missed.


You clearly didn't watch those videos I posted because if you had you would know you're talking bollox. What about the masses of Jews who are third-forth generation Israelis? The ones who fully recognize what's going on and want democracy for the Palestinians as well as the Jews. The ones who resent the land grabs for new Jewish settlers whilst more Arabs suffer to make way for them. Are they not allowed a voice either because if they are seen to protest the present regime its heavily frowned upon and seen as un-Zionist.


Incidentally, you always use the word Zionism as if it was a 'bad smell' - just what is your definition of the word?

Its a political organization that has ruled and conquered a land. Its not Judaism but it has been adopted by many Jews as their right of passage to return to Zion and a belief that to be a Jew is to be an Isralite (even though there's no anthropologist on this earth who knows what happened to the ten tribes of Israel. So they can't trace their heritage back to Israel, even if they've been persuaded they can).

Zionism was an idea that started in the late 1800's and didn't take hold until 1948 when there were thousands of displaced refugees but even then it was heavily frowned upon by most Jews. When the US opened its door to some of those refugees it was suggested by the Zionist party that instead they should be sent to Israel but when they first invited people to go and settle in Israel, most declined.

It grew and it spread. With help from Western governments it conquered pillaged and took a land and segregated large portions that was previously occupied by Arabs and other faiths including Jews.

Zionists believe they have the right of passage and non Zionists are no different than nearly all Jews before the 1950s. Non Zionists believe that Zionism takes away all the fundamental good of what is a beautiful religion... Judaism.
So no, they are not nutters and honestly, I find that hugely insulting.

Let me make one thing clear. I don't think most Zionists are bad people. I think most Zionists are good Jews who are either unaware or have little interest in what's gone on and what's still going on. But people are starting to become aware; There are huge movements in Israel thats starting to ask the right questions and so like Peled says, if there is going to be changes it won't be a change of Israeli government or a new American president. It will be a grass routes change and this apartheid will cease to be.

[Kizzy]

I refer to the definition of anti-Semitism as DEFINED by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance - a definition which has been formally agreed and adopted by the UK Government:

"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

Are not 'Jewdas' GUILTY of perpetrating ALL of the above?

One can be JEWISH and still be anti-Semitic just like one can be BRITISH and still be Anti-British AND anti-Britain.

Can one?... Let's see some academic Jewish corroboration for that rather bold claim.

[kirklancaster]

Can one?... Let's see some academic Jewish corroboration for that rather bold claim.

My claim in my post is CORROBORATED by the ACCEPTED definition of Anti-Semitism in the IHRA quote included in it AND by the FACT that the 'Micky Mouse' Organisation of Irrelevant Trolls 'Jewdas' have been repeatedly guilty of anti-Semitism by their conduct.

Anti-Semitism is a CRIME.

It does not matter a FIG just what Gender, Colour, Creed, Nationality or Politics a PERPETRATOR of a crime is, he is STILL guilty of that crime.

Thus; someone who commits Anti-Semitism by WORD or DEED is an ANTI-SEMITIC regardless of whether he himself is Jewish or not.

[DemolitionRed]

My claim in my post is CORROBORATED by the ACCEPTED definition of Anti-Semitism in the IHRA quote included in it AND by the FACT that the 'Micky Mouse' Organisation of Irrelevant Trolls 'Jewdas' have been repeatedly guilty of anti-Semitism by their conduct.

Anti-Semitism is a CRIME.

It does not matter a FIG just what Gender, Colour, Creed, Nationality or Politics a PERPETRATOR of a crime is, he is STILL guilty of that crime.

Thus; someone who commits Anti-Semitism by WORD or DEED is an ANTI-SEMITIC regardless of whether he himself is Jewish or not.

If you are a Zionist then non-Zionist Jews are often seen as anti-Semitic, even if the Zionist is non-religious Jew and the person they are accusing of being anti-Semitic is deeply religious Jew. The IHRA supports this but what the IHRA should be reminded of is, there were very few Zionist supporters who went to the gas chambers.

Political ideology has allowed Zionism to create a great chasm of hatred, divide and racism towards their fellow Jew.

[DemolitionRed]

Lets look at this on a moral level or a Christian level. Is it okay for a none Jew to like and support one type of Jew and hate and put down another?

[Northern Monkey]

Cba to read this whole thread but it seems like anti semitism in the Labour Party is getting conflated with anti-Zionism.Obvs two different things.However you do tend to find that ‘i’m not anti semitic i’m just anti-Zionist’ is commonly used as a cover for Jew hating.

[jaxie]

Cba to read this whole thread but it seems like anti semitism in the Labour Party is getting conflated with anti-Zionism.Obvs two different things.However you do tend to find that ‘i’m not anti semitic i’m just anti-Zionist’ is commonly used as a cover for Jew hating.

I agree with this and I think the denial of any possibility of wrong doing by Corbyn and close supporters is as worrying as the issue itself. No-one is beyond reproach.

I almost feel like I should apologise for being absent for a few days, it seems like everyone had a wild time while I was gone! :wavey:

Lets look at this on a moral level or a Christian level. Is it okay for a none Jew to like and support one type of Jew and hate and put down another?

I think there is a problem in the essence of this question. You, morality or Christianity shouldn't be hating any 'type of Jews'. Yes you can hate a teaching, belief, religion, ideal, state, political affiliation etc but hating Jews is anti semitism. It's an entirely different thing.

[Kizzy]

My claim in my post is CORROBORATED by the ACCEPTED definition of Anti-Semitism in the IHRA quote included in it AND by the FACT that the 'Micky Mouse' Organisation of Irrelevant Trolls 'Jewdas' have been repeatedly guilty of anti-Semitism by their conduct.

Anti-Semitism is a CRIME.

It does not matter a FIG just what Gender, Colour, Creed, Nationality or Politics a PERPETRATOR of a crime is, he is STILL guilty of that crime.

Thus; someone who commits Anti-Semitism by WORD or DEED is an ANTI-SEMITIC regardless of whether he himself is Jewish or not.

''However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.''

What would you say pushes their view into antisemitism?

I thought this came from some Jewish authority.. No it was penned by fatty pickles!! :/
Who knows the most about antisemitism...a tory :laugh:

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/a-definition-of-antisemitism

Here is some help,

https://www.jewdas.org/how-to-criticise-israel-without-being-anti-semitic/

[DemolitionRed]

There is no real discussion about anti-semitism just appeals to emotion. Trying to magnify things by taking them out of context.
I've said before the whole thing is a power play, an attempt to undermine the democratic process. Its power politics and its so dangerous.

[Parmy]

Israel is a vile cesspit that must be destroyed at all costs.


That is the view of judas.

[bots]

There is no real discussion about anti-semitism just appeals to emotion. Trying to magnify things by taking them out of context.
I've said before the whole thing is a power play, an attempt to undermine the democratic process. Its power politics and its so dangerous.

except that multitudes within the labour party have acknowledged that there is a problem within their ranks. Corbyn has publicly apologised and vowed to do something about it. So it's hardly consistent to say that things are being taken out of context.

Also, given Corbyn has admitted that there is a problem, at a minimum it was foolish to meet with a jewish splinter group rather than the main jewish representation, at a maximum it was sticking 2 fingers up at the issue. People are free to decide what they want with respect to Corbyn's actions, but it's not realistic to attempt to put a positive spin on it as to do so supports the concept of anarchy which flies in the face of supporting him to be the next PM

[Livia]

except that multitudes within the labour party have acknowledged that there is a problem within their ranks. Corbyn has publicly apologised and vowed to do something about it. So it's hardly consistent to say that things are being taken out of context.

Also, given Corbyn has admitted that there is a problem, at a minimum it was foolish to meet with a jewish splinter group rather than the main jewish representation, at a maximum it was sticking 2 fingers up at the issue. People are free to decide what they want with respect to Corbyn's actions, but it's not realistic to attempt to put a positive spin on it as to do so supports the concept of anarchy which flies in the face of supporting him to be the next PM

I agree with this. And it's soothing to see a post not banging on about Zionism.

[DemolitionRed]

Israel is a vile cesspit that must be destroyed at all costs.


That is the view of judas.

Its called Jewdas and No it isn't! Have you been to that site and had a look round? or are you just taking other peoples opinion?
Go and have a look. It won't take you long to discover that they are a Jewish human rights group as well as many other things such as language, food and most importantly, religion. They campaign for all Jews to have a voice both here in the West and within Israel. They want lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

If people go on the Twitter version of Jewdas and make comments like you mentioned, its because they are trolls and trouble makers.

Should all Jews have a voice?

[Livia]

Jewdas is a radical far-left group. Radical far-left groups are just as dangerous as radical far-right groups.

[DemolitionRed]

except that multitudes within the labour party have acknowledged that there is a problem within their ranks. Corbyn has publicly apologised and vowed to do something about it. So it's hardly consistent to say that things are being taken out of context.

Also, given Corbyn has admitted that there is a problem, at a minimum it was foolish to meet with a jewish splinter group rather than the main jewish representation, at a maximum it was sticking 2 fingers up at the issue. People are free to decide what they want with respect to Corbyn's actions, but it's not realistic to attempt to put a positive spin on it as to do so supports the concept of anarchy which flies in the face of supporting him to be the next PM

Keep believing every random rumour and muck rake that suits your Corbyn supports anti-semitic hate fantasies which so happily align with, I dont' actually like his politics paradigm. Not that you would allow that to skew your perspective because you are a fair and honest man.

[Parmy]

Its called Jewdas and No it isn't! Have you been to that site and had a look round? or are you just taking other peoples opinion?
Go and have a look. It won't take you long to discover that they are a Jewish human rights group as well as many other things such as language, food and most importantly, religion. They campaign for all Jews to have a voice both here in the West and within Israel. They want lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

If people go on the Twitter version of Jewdas and make comments like you mentioned, its because they are trolls and trouble makers.

Should all Jews have a voice?

Have i got news lawyers have passed judgement thank you very much.

[DemolitionRed]

Jewdas is a radical far-left group. Radical far-left groups are just as dangerous as radical far-right groups.

Yes well you sit to the right Livia. Anything left of centre is considered far left and why are they dangerous?

[DemolitionRed]

Have i got news lawyers have passed judgement thank you very much.

On what? on the actual site itself? Link please.

[Parmy]

On what? on the actual site itself? Link please.

They aired it last night as one of the jewdus magazines opinions.....go watch that..easier all round.

[kirklancaster]

Lets look at this on a moral level or a Christian level. Is it okay for a none Jew to like and support one type of Jew and hate and put down another?

It is most certainly OK for THIS 'Non-Jew' to 'Like and support one type of Jew' when THAT one Jew is a DECENT, INTELLIGENT, EQUITABLE type of person, and most certainly OK for THIS 'Non-Jew' to DISLIKE (not HATE) and PUT DOWN another Jew when THAT other Jew is GROSS, SUBVERSIVE, ANARCHIC, OFFENSIVE, and CRASSLY INFANTILE.

Because the above criteria govern how I personally regard ALL people -regardless of Colour, Creed, or even POLITICS.

[DemolitionRed]

So I put into google; "Lawyers pass Judgement on Jewdas and it came up with diddly-squat.
So I tried, "Jewdas in trouble for slurs against Israel" and guess what... nothing.

So I'd like a link please?

[jaxie]

Keep believing every random rumour and muck rake that suits your Corbyn supports anti-semitic hate fantasies which so happily align with, I dont' actually like his politics paradigm. Not that you would allow that to skew your perspective because you are a fair and honest man.

Are you saying that Corbyn didn't apologise in the press for the anti Semitism problems in Labour then?

You're accusing bits of muck raking for pointing that out?

[DemolitionRed]

It is most certainly OK for THIS 'Non-Jew' to 'Like and support one type of Jew' when THAT one Jew is a DECENT, INTELLIGENT, EQUITABLE type of person, and most certainly OK for THIS 'Non-Jew' to DISLIKE (not HATE) and PUT DOWN another Jew when THAT other Jew is GROSS, SUBVERSIVE, ANARCHIC, OFFENSIVE, and CRASSLY INFANTILE.

Because the above criteria govern how I personally regard ALL people -regardless of Colour, Creed, or even POLITICS.

So its not about religion then!
If its not about religion and it can't be if you start mentioning things like intelligence and so on, its about a cause. You support one cause and don't respect those who oppose that cause and therefore don't like Corbyn (not that you liked him anyway).

[DemolitionRed]

Are you saying that Corbyn didn't apologise in the press for the anti Semitism problems in Labour then?

You're accusing bits of muck raking for pointing that out?

Of course he apologized, he's been subjected to absolute sociopathic manipulation and no matter how much Corbyn knocks back the allegations they just keep chucking more mud knowing that every act of the mud slinging tarnishes him. I've never seen gaslighting on such a grand scale. Keep lying and twisting until the truth is no longer relevant and any means and ends will be justifiable.

If he didn't apologize he would of had to stand down. But have no doubt, this was a tyrannical act by both the press and the PLP.

[kirklancaster]

Keep believing every random rumour and muck rake that suits your Corbyn supports anti-semitic hate fantasies which so happily align with, I dont' actually like his politics paradigm. Not that you would allow that to skew your perspective because you are a fair and honest man.

The ONLY people in the UK who have problems with NOT accepting REALITY and living in a DELUSIONAL FANTASY world are those people who not only REJECT ALL the OVERWHELMING and IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE which INDICTS Corbyn but also STILL continue to support him.

If you or anyone else CHOOSES to support Corbyn, then THAT is your prerogative and NO ONE else's business - UNLESS, of course, you ELECT to POST articles in support of Corbyn on a Debate Forum, THEN, I'm afraid, THAT then DOES become the business of anyone who disagrees with the post, and no amount of DENYING the TRUTH which is now EXPOSED, and no amount of posting of false counter 'facts' and no amount of skewed 'opinion - no matter how 'PASSIONATE' - is going to SWAY people who are NOT delusional and who do RECOGNISE and ACCEPT the TRUTH about this hiddeous, abhorrent, duplicitious little man.

[kirklancaster]

So its not about religion then!
If its not about religion and it can't be if you start mentioning things like intelligence and so on, its about a cause. You support one cause and don't respect those who oppose that cause and therefore don't like Corbyn (not that you liked him anyway).

What ARE you going on about?

I NEVER mentioned RELIGION????

It is you, I'm afraid, who has trouble differentiating between JUDAIC and JEWISH as evidenced by your posts.

And as to the text which I have emboldened - ARE you ACTUALLY insinuating that anyone who is RELIGIOUS cannot also be INTELLIGENT?

[Oliver_W]

Jewdas is a radical far-left group. Radical far-left groups are just as dangerous as radical far-right groups.
This is what it boils down to. Alleged anti-Semitism aside, some of their views are pretty dodgy, and I still don't see why a moderator seen fit to merge the Jewdas thread with this one.

Yes well you sit to the right Livia. Anything left of centre is considered far left and why are they dangerous?
She also said radical far-right groups are dangerous.

[Brillopad]

Jewdas is a radical far-left group. Radical far-left groups are just as dangerous as radical far-right groups.

Indeed they are!

[Brillopad]

No, we are just standing up for the Jews who are being shot down as fanatics and non-Jews. There are many thousands of members on that site you condemn, most are likely Jewish.

Judas fanatics is exactly what they are.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/covers/full/1467_big.jpg

[Brillopad]

Its called Jewdas and No it isn't! Have you been to that site and had a look round? or are you just taking other peoples opinion?
Go and have a look. It won't take you long to discover that they are a Jewish human rights group as well as many other things such as language, food and most importantly, religion. They campaign for all Jews to have a voice both here in the West and within Israel. They want lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

If people go on the Twitter version of Jewdas and make comments like you mentioned, its because they are trolls and trouble makers.

Should all Jews have a voice?

Very convenient how many hard left wing militant aggressive groups hide behind ‘human rights’ as a so-called cause. Yep!

[Parmy]

So I put into google; "Lawyers pass Judgement on Jewdas and it came up with diddly-squat.
So I tried, "Jewdas in trouble for slurs against Israel" and guess what... nothing.

So I'd like a link please?

Well im not going to **** out a link everytime you ask.


You aint any clue what im on about anyway.

[DemolitionRed]

Very convenient how many hard left wing militant aggressive groups hide behind ‘human rights’ as a so-called cause. Yep!

The media is a bit obsessed with identifying "radical groups" not just here, but in other contexts too. It rarely asks what gives these people authority to speak for the masses they claim to be speaking for.

[DemolitionRed]

Well im not going to **** out a link everytime you ask.


You aint any clue what im on about anyway.

No because it clearly never happened.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Red did you not spend like 2 hours on the Jewdas site and come away thinking it formed in the early 19th century?

[bots]

Of course he apologized, he's been subjected to absolute sociopathic manipulation and no matter how much Corbyn knocks back the allegations they just keep chucking more mud knowing that every act of the mud slinging tarnishes him. I've never seen gaslighting on such a grand scale. Keep lying and twisting until the truth is no longer relevant and any means and ends will be justifiable.

If he didn't apologize he would of had to stand down. But have no doubt, this was a tyrannical act by both the press and the PLP.

Funny that, i'm always told by Corbyn supporters that he is a man of principles that doesn't deviate, so now you seem to be saying that what he said was purely to appease the people who would vote for him, but it is not what he believes? Which funnily enough is what many of us have been saying all along. He hides his true beliefs to try and get the votes and become PM

[Parmy]

No because it clearly never happened.

What...
Hignfy did not air a headline from the jewdus magazine that stated that quite simply abohrent, filthy and downright anti semetic headline i posted....so just what was i watching last night?

[Kizzy]

except that multitudes within the labour party have acknowledged that there is a problem within their ranks. Corbyn has publicly apologised and vowed to do something about it. So it's hardly consistent to say that things are being taken out of context.

Also, given Corbyn has admitted that there is a problem, at a minimum it was foolish to meet with a jewish splinter group rather than the main jewish representation, at a maximum it was sticking 2 fingers up at the issue. People are free to decide what they want with respect to Corbyn's actions, but it's not realistic to attempt to put a positive spin on it as to do so supports the concept of anarchy which flies in the face of supporting him to be the next PM

You are under the illusion his only support is this 'splinter' group, which in itself is a denigration conservative friends of Israel is a 'splinter' group too remember.

There is plenty of support.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/02/stop-jeremy-corbyns-trial-by-media-over-antisemitism

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/04/jewish-corbyn-supporter-antisemitism-gaslighting

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6ljsrvbW5OYJ:https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/03/26/jewish-labour-party-members-come-out-in-support-of-corbyn/+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/jeremy-corbyn-accepts-agenda-for-board-and-jlc-meeting/

[Oliver_W]

You are under the illusion his only support is this 'splinter' group, which in itself is a denigration conservative friends of Israel is a 'splinter' group too remember.

There is plenty of support.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/02/stop-jeremy-corbyns-trial-by-media-over-antisemitism

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/04/jewish-corbyn-supporter-antisemitism-gaslighting

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6ljsrvbW5OYJ:https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/03/26/jewish-labour-party-members-come-out-in-support-of-corbyn/+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/jeremy-corbyn-accepts-agenda-for-board-and-jlc-meeting/

No-one said Jewdas were his only support. They're just a dodgy group for him to associate with, especially after refusing to meet with more mainstream Jewish groups.

[Kizzy]

The ONLY people in the UK who have problems with NOT accepting REALITY and living in a DELUSIONAL FANTASY world are those people who not only REJECT ALL the OVERWHELMING and IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE which INDICTS Corbyn but also STILL continue to support him.

If you or anyone else CHOOSES to support Corbyn, then THAT is your prerogative and NO ONE else's business - UNLESS, of course, you ELECT to POST articles in support of Corbyn on a Debate Forum, THEN, I'm afraid, THAT then DOES become the business of anyone who disagrees with the post, and no amount of DENYING the TRUTH which is now EXPOSED, and no amount of posting of false counter 'facts' and no amount of skewed 'opinion - no matter how 'PASSIONATE' - is going to SWAY people who are NOT delusional and who do RECOGNISE and ACCEPT the TRUTH about this hiddeous, abhorrent, duplicitious little man.

I'm sorry but I see this the same way as I do the stories in the media, it's politicising an important issue.

Corbyn is personally under attack with a view to him being removed as leader and the Jewish community are being exploited to this end.

That is what is being attempted here, and should it succeed will antisemitism go away? No of course it won't.

[Kizzy]

No-one said Jewdas were his only support. They're just a dodgy group for him to associate with, especially after refusing to meet with more mainstream Jewish groups.

Who did he refuse to meet with?

[bots]

I have a problem with Islamophobia in my party, i've apologised and admitted there is a problem. Muslim group representatives have asked for a meeting, so I choose instead to meet with Britain First. How would that be perceived by Muslim groups? It's exactly the same thing as Corbyn is doing with respect to antisemitism

[kirklancaster]

I have a problem with Islamophobia in my party, i've apologised and admitted there is a problem. Muslim group representatives have asked for a meeting, so I choose instead to meet with Britain First. How would that be perceived by Muslim groups? It's exactly the same thing as Corbyn is doing with respect to antisemitism

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Welcome back BOTS.

[Kizzy]

I have a problem with Islamophobia in my party, i've apologised and admitted there is a problem. Muslim group representatives have asked for a meeting, so I choose instead to meet with Britain First. How would that be perceived by Muslim groups? It's exactly the same thing as Corbyn is doing with respect to antisemitism

What a ridiculous comparison... :/

Have Britain first written literature on how to identify Islamophobia?
You are coning across really ignorant.

http://jewdas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/image-2.jpg

[DemolitionRed]

Funny that, i'm always told by Corbyn supporters that he is a man of principles that doesn't deviate, so now you seem to be saying that what he said was purely to appease the people who would vote for him, but it is not what he believes? Which funnily enough is what many of us have been saying all along. He hides his true beliefs to try and get the votes and become PM

Of course he deviates. He's an MP, politics evolve all the time. Of course he wants to be PM, he's not doing this for the fun of it.

What is he hiding? I fully understand his beliefs, in fact his beliefs are so wide open, even when he apologized he made a point of going to visit a Left wing Jewish organization. Damn him for that all you like but the message that gave to many of us was, he is no Judas. He is not abandoning his stance on the apartheid in Israel.

Corbyn had an onslaught of bad press and accusations of anti-Semitism from New Labour post modernists; the same people who repeatedly suggest there's something wrong with Corbyn. All they actually care about is getting back power and so they had to dig deep and come up with something that could be bastardized and propagated into something that would do maximum damage and to do that they had to trawl through old archives and breathe life into old corpses.

I've already said, I don't think he should of stooped to apologizing because I don't think the leader of a democratic political party is responsible for everything within it. Surely that's autocratic? But by now the Right wing press were baying for blood and regardless of Corbyn ordering a full investigation on every issue reported, something UKIP and the Tory party have never done when it comes to some very real racism within the ranks.

[DemolitionRed]

What...
Hignfy did not air a headline from the jewdus magazine that stated that quite simply abohrent, filthy and downright anti semetic headline i posted....so just what was i watching last night?

According to what you stated earlier, you were watching something about lawyers and charges against that group. Perhaps you just exaggerated a little!

[DemolitionRed]

No-one said Jewdas were his only support. They're just a dodgy group for him to associate with, especially after refusing to meet with more mainstream Jewish groups.

You mean like the mainstream Jewish group that refused to meet Corbyn? Corbyn asked them for an audience, they declined.

[DemolitionRed]

I have a problem with Islamophobia in my party, i've apologised and admitted there is a problem. Muslim group representatives have asked for a meeting, so I choose instead to meet with Britain First. How would that be perceived by Muslim groups? It's exactly the same thing as Corbyn is doing with respect to antisemitism

This makes no sense at all.
Are you saying the Jews Corbyn chose to meet are as bad as Britain First?
Are you saying the Jews he met are the racists?

The sort of Jews Corbyn talks to are the sort of people who oppose the oppression going on in Israel.

Should Corbyn support oppression if he wishes to be respected by the Right? Wouldn't that make him a turncoat and a traitor to the hundred of thousands of Jewish people, many who were born and live in Israel, who also oppose Israeli brutality?

[Oliver_W]

You mean like the mainstream Jewish group that refused to meet Corbyn? Corbyn asked them for an audience, they declined.

Even if every other Jewish group denied him, Jewdas wouldn't become an appropriate one to hang around with.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You mean like the mainstream Jewish group that refused to meet Corbyn? Corbyn asked them for an audience, they declined.

and of course you know why?

they dont want to help an anti-Semitic with his PR/Spin to save face

[DemolitionRed]

Even if every other Jewish group denied him, Jewdas wouldn't become an appropriate one to hang around with.

I guess you fully support Israel. Lets just leave it at that.

[DemolitionRed]

and of course you know why?

they dont want to help an anti-Semitic with his PR/Spin to save face

There you go again, keep dishing the dirt and calling the least anti-racist man in parliament anti-Semitic.

I don't think I've seen a single post from you on here that has any reasoning or thought. You don't join in other than to just pop up now and again to repeat the same old bollox.

[Oliver_W]

I guess you fully support Israel. Lets just leave it at that.

It doesn't just have to be about Israel. Wanting to burn down parliament and invoke full capitalism, while saying things like "**** the Queen and especially **** Prince Phillip" shows what kind of group they are.

[jet]

There you go again, keep dishing the dirt and calling the least anti-racist man in parliament anti-Semitic.

I don't think I've seen a single post from you on here that has any reasoning or thought. You don't join in other than to just pop up now and again to repeat the same old bollox.

Reasoning and thought make no difference when people refuse to acknowledge reason and thought. You seem very angry, Red, could it be that underneath you know that Corbyn is the anti - Semitic supporter and terrorist supporter that he actually is but don't want to admit it to yourself? Or do support him for other reasons?

[DemolitionRed]

It doesn't just have to be about Israel. Wanting to burn down parliament and invoke full capitalism, while saying things like "**** the Queen and especially **** Prince Phillip" shows what kind of group they are.

Yes it is. It is all about Israel/Palestine.
I don't know who the numpties are who want to put an end to Israel or who want to burn down parliament and invoke full capitalism and I don't agree with anyone who wants to abandon our royal family, so lets forget a number of anarchists this group has attracted because a) they will never achieve anything other than a bigger divide and b) disinformation cuts two ways.
Instead, why don't we try looking at the wider issues.

One group of people want something very different than the other group. One sits to the Left, one sits to the Right. Under real democracy they both have a right to a voice but because of the powers of the Right, the Left have been silenced. Secret groups and some very open groups on the Left have grown massively in number over the past decade, especially youth groups in Israel. Why is this happening? what's caused it? should they be stopped? should we listen to what they have to say? all these questions should make for a good and reasonable discussion. Instead we just keep going round in the same old circles and getting nowhere.

[jet]

Why don't you make a thread on Israel/Palestine, Red? This thread is about anti - Semitism in the Labour party.

[DemolitionRed]

Reasoning and thought make no difference when people refuse to acknowledge reason and thought. You seem very angry, Red, could it be that underneath you know that Corbyn is the anti - Semitic supporter and terrorist supporter that he actually is but don't want to admit it to yourself? Or do support him for other reasons?

Funnily enough my father-in-law is staying with us at the moment and he keeps laughing at me because every time I come on here I'm ranting. I'm not angry, just frustrated. I'm so keen to have a really good discussion about the Left and the Right of these issues but it feels like a brick wall.

He suggested I'm frustrated on his behalf and I think he's right. I should leave this thread well alone because I'm allowing it to encroach on my every day life which is unhealthy.

[DemolitionRed]

Why don't you make a thread on Israel/Palestine, Red? This thread is about anti - Semitism in the Labour party.

Yes it is but anti-Semitism has now been broadened out to the Jewish Left and the anti-Semitism accusations are all about Palestine/Israel. The whole foundations behind this subject is Palestine/Israel.

[bots]

Yes it is but anti-Semitism has now been broadened out to the Jewish Left and the anti-Semitism accusations are all about Palestine/Israel. The whole foundations behind this subject is Palestine/Israel.

No, the subject hasn't been broadened out, it is about antisemitism. The ridiculous far left jewish group only came into play because Corbyn chose to have a dialog with them. The subject remains antisemitism

[jet]

Yes it is but anti-Semitism has now been broadened out to the Jewish Left and the anti-Semitism accusations are all about Palestine/Israel. The whole foundations behind this subject is Palestine/Israel.

Strictly speaking, the thread is about anti Semitism in the Labour party, and news/articles/opinions relating to that will get all mixed up with the broader subject of Palestine/Israel. That would be an interesting thread on its own.
Unless you are just interested in the subject as relating to attempting to absolve Corbyn/anti - Semitic Labour members (which it could be seen as), which is your right to do of course.
I would welcome a thread on it from those who are knowledgeable on the subject, I know a bit, but not nearly enough.

[DemolitionRed]

No, the subject hasn't been broadened out, it is about antisemitism. The ridiculous far left jewish group only came into play because Corbyn chose to have a dialog with them. The subject remains antisemitism

Look, you can't have an ongoing debate if its just about mocking Corbyn, unless of course that's all you want this thread for, but then it wouldn't be a debate, it would be an agenda. Baying mobs are unattractive regardless of what side of the fence you sit on. Just going over and over the same old same old is mind numbingly boring or maybe you disagree. If you can't see beyond the rant, then you're under no obligation to involve yourself in the 'ifs, what's, why's and therefore's'.

[Oliver_W]

Funnily enough my father-in-law is staying with us at the moment and he keeps laughing at me because every time I come on here I'm ranting. I'm not angry, just frustrated. I'm so keen to have a really good discussion about the Left and the Right of these issues but it feels like a brick wall.

He suggested I'm frustrated on his behalf and I think he's right. I should leave this thread well alone because I'm allowing it to encroach on my every day life which is unhealthy.

Wow, you must really love Corbyn if words on a screen can lead you to sperg on to the extent where even your family makes fun of you.

[bots]

Look, you can't have an ongoing debate if its just about mocking Corbyn, unless of course that's all you want this thread for, but then it wouldn't be a debate, it would be an agenda. Baying mobs are unattractive regardless of what side of the fence you sit on. Just going over and over the same old same old is mind numbingly boring or maybe you disagree. If you can't see beyond the rant, then you're under no obligation to involve yourself in the 'ifs, what's, why's and therefore's'.

the debate has been ongoing due to the continuation of events being reported about Corbyn and the labour party. You can't shift the topic of the debate just because you dont like it's subject.

[Oliver_W]

Look, you can't have an ongoing debate if its just about mocking Corbyn
It's also hard to have a debate with someone who reduces criticism of actions to "mockery". There's been very little actual substanceless mockery for bare pages.

[kirklancaster]

Funnily enough my father-in-law is staying with us at the moment and he keeps laughing at me because every time I come on here I'm ranting. I'm not angry, just frustrated. I'm so keen to have a really good discussion about the Left and the Right of these issues but it feels like a brick wall.

He suggested I'm frustrated on his behalf and I think he's right. I should leave this thread well alone because I'm allowing it to encroach on my every day life which is unhealthy.

But Red.... It feels like a brick wall to us that hold opposite views to you as well, because, DESPITE discussing/debating the Left and Right of these issues with you (even going beyond the parameters of the Thread topic to do so) YOU just blindly REFUSE to accept ANY viewpoint which DOES NOT AGREE with yours - no matter how WELL substantiated by HARD evidence those differing viewpoints are.

With ALL due respect, I believe that it is your obsessional devotion to Corbyn that is 'unhealthy'.

In my opinion anyway.

[DemolitionRed]

Strictly speaking, the thread is about anti Semitism in the Labour party, and news/articles/opinions relating to that will get all mixed up with the broader subject of Palestine/Israel. That would be an interesting thread on its own.
Unless you are just interested in the subject as relating to attempting to absolve Corbyn/anti - Semitic Labour members (which it could be seen as), which is your right to do of course.
I would welcome a thread on it from those who are knowledgeable on the subject, I know a bit, but not nearly enough.

Of course I want to absolve Corbyn, he's an innocent man.
I am ambivalent about quite a lot of Corbyn politics but I'm not going to stand there humming whilst he's being taken down by people who twist his words to sit with their agenda. A few weeks ago he was a spy, next month he's going to be something else even more heinous. These are the things I see you ringing your hands over. You dislike Corbyn and so you're narrative will always sit with the ones who make the allegations.

I've made my views clear about Israel before. This is a subject close to my heart and so when Corbyn first stood up in parliament and spoke about Israel breaking the UN Resolution, I was all ears. For me and many others he was a brave man for speaking out. Now he's being punished but I believe, all this will bring him a lot more support than he previously had because from where I'm standing, people can see this for what it is.

[DemolitionRed]

the debate has been ongoing due to the continuation of events being reported about Corbyn and the labour party. You can't shift the topic of the debate just because you dont like it's subject.

About Corbyn? You mean more reveling, more mocking to be had!
Why are you trying to shut me down. I suspect its because I've got something to say and you don't like it. I'm spoiling your fun.

Every comment channel I use are discussing this same issue and everyone is talking about the deeper issues behind what's happening but on here I'm taking it off topic.

Sometimes this place feels like kinder garden.

[Kizzy]

But Red.... It feels like a brick wall to us that hold opposite views to you as well, because, DESPITE discussing/debating the Left and Right of these issues with you (even going beyond the parameters of the Thread topic to do so) YOU just blindly REFUSE to accept ANY viewpoint which DOES NOT AGREE with yours - no matter how WELL substantiated by HARD evidence those differing viewpoints are.

With ALL due respect, I believe that it is your obsessional devotion to Corbyn that is 'unhealthy'.

In my opinion anyway.

All you have as evidence are a few CAPITALS... And again you make unwarranted comments that people are 'obsessional' because they don't share your opinion.
It's not a debate, it's pushing how rude you can be to members with whom you disagree.

[jet]

Of course I want to absolve Corbyn, he's an innocent man.
I am ambivalent about quite a lot of Corbyn politics but I'm not going to stand there humming whilst he's being taken down by people who twist his words to sit with their agenda. A few weeks ago he was a spy, next month he's going to be something else even more heinous. These are the things I see you ringing your hands over. You dislike Corbyn and so you're narrative will always sit with the ones who make the allegations.

I've made my views clear about Israel before. This is a subject close to my heart and so when Corbyn first stood up in parliament and spoke about Israel breaking the UN Resolution, I was all ears. For me and many others he was a brave man for speaking out. Now he's being punished but I believe, all this will bring him a lot more support than he previously had because from where I'm standing, people can see this for what it is.
You won't be able to absolve him.
There is ample evidence he was an ira supporter, there is ample evidence that he ignored anti - Semitism in the Labour party and displayed anti - semitism himself although he puts that down to 'I didn't know' I didn't realise'.
A spy? There wasn't enough proof for that one which is why it died quickly - the rest - absolutely!
He is the eternal 'opposition', he has never had the responsibility of doing anything other than 'opposing' this that or the other anti - British. Now he's reaping what he has sowed and is continuing to sow.
You can say he is an innocent man until you turn blue in the face, it won't make any difference to those who know otherwise, those who can read and comprehend the facts and aren't blinded by misplaced devotion.
BTW I read today that a poll has shown his support has fallen in the last few weeks. :shrug:

[jet]

About Corbyn? You mean more reveling, more mocking to be had!
Why are you trying to shut me down. I suspect its because I've got something to say and you don't like it. I'm spoiling your fun.

Every comment channel I use are discussing this same issue and everyone is talking about the deeper issues behind what's happening but on here I'm taking it off topic.

Sometimes this place feels like kinder garden.

All you are doing is trying to justify and excuse Corbyn and his close Labour cronies saying and doing the disgusting things they were about Jews.

[Kizzy]

And all you are doing is attempting to vilify one man..Even on this forum there are comments tthat I would consider antisemitic. Is there not a thread which describes someone as 'looking' Jewish?

Let's not apply any double standards eh?

[jet]

And all you are doing is attempting to vilify one man..Even on this forum there are comments tthat I would consider antisemitic. Is there not a thread which describes someone as 'looking' Jewish?

Let's not apply any double standards eh?

We are discussing facts which have happened and have been widely reported and verified.

I haven't seen antisemitic posts. If there were they should have been reported.

[kirklancaster]

And all you are doing is attempting to vilify one man..Even on this forum there are comments tthat I would consider antisemitic. Is there not a thread which describes someone as 'looking' Jewish?

Let's not apply any double standards eh?

Are you referring to my post 'Jewish guy saved my day'? I said that the guy 'looked Jewish' but so he did and so he was, and the term 'looking Jewish' is NOT anti-semitic.

My post and that phrase is not REMOTELY anything like Corbyn's Labour Party's PROVEN anti-Semitism.

[jet]

Are you referring to my post 'Jewish guy saved my day'? I said that the guy 'looked Jewish' but so he did and so he was, and the term 'looking Jewish' is NOT anti-semitic.

My post and that phrase is not REMOTELY anything like Corbyn's Labour Party's PROVEN anti-Semitism.

Don't tell me Kizzy was referring to your post? ffs is there something wrong in saying someone looks Jewish?
The bare faced hypocrisy of referring to one innocent sentence in a nice post and brushing off many many blatantly antisemitic comments made by members of the Labour party, many of them close to Corbyn is abominable.
Corbyn can make awful comments like the MURAL one; he can belong to many facebook groups that post disgusting antisemitic bile, he can fraternise with
a dodgy group who want to burn down Parliament and curse at the Royal family but whatever you do don't dare say that someone looks Jewish!
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

[Twosugars]

I read that post of yours Kirk and also wondered, how does one look Jewish? I'm not attacking you, I'm just curious. Because Jewish people can look so different, like any other group of people of the same religion.

[Oliver_W]

I read that post of yours Kirk and also wondered, how does one look Jewish?
http://derekwinnert.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/530.jpg

[Brillopad]

And all you are doing is attempting to vilify one man..Even on this forum there are comments tthat I would consider antisemitic. Is there not a thread which describes someone as 'looking' Jewish?

Let's not apply any double standards eh?

Diversion tactics! There is a plethora of evidence out there, both past and present, on the questionable beliefs, words, actions and inactions of this would-be PM. He alone is responsible for that and every aspect of his character should be scrutinised, judged and held to account - it’s what he signed up for like it or not!

[Twosugars]

http://derekwinnert.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/530.jpg

you can't be serious :shocked:

[Kizzy]

Are you referring to my post 'Jewish guy saved my day'? I said that the guy 'looked Jewish' but so he did and so he was, and the term 'looking Jewish' is NOT anti-semitic.

My post and that phrase is not REMOTELY anything like Corbyn's Labour Party's PROVEN anti-Semitism.

How did the guy look Jewish? you have no idea if he was or not other than your assumption.

I would say your stereotyping is at the very least rather misguided .

[Kizzy]

http://derekwinnert.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/530.jpg

What the hell?..... :/

[jet]

How did the guy look Jewish? you have no idea if he was or not other than your assumption.

I would say your stereotyping is at the very least rather misguided .

What does it matter if you think someone looks Jewish, unless you think there is something wrong with looking Jewish? Your views about this are verging on antisemitic.

[Oliver_W]

How did the guy look Jewish?
Being Jewish is an ethnicity, and physical characteristics are associated with certain ethnicities; if I said someone "looked Chinese", people wouldn't ask how he looked Chinese.

What the hell?..... :/
you can't be serious :shocked:
I'm obviously kidding, that's my bae Fagin #Baegin

[jet]

you can't be serious :shocked:

Obviously not.

Ahhh... Fagin. "I'm reviewing the situation de de de de de". Love that scene in Oliver. :hee:

[Brillopad]

What does it matter if you think someone looks Jewish, unless you think there is something wrong with looking Jewish? This post is verging on antisemitic.

More attempted diversion tactics away from Corbyn and his antisemitism.

I think many people think of Jewish men as elderly, scolarly looking men with beards and glasses - sometimes true and sometimes not. It is just a common image often portrayed. Some are trying to make something out of nothing to stir the pot.

[jet]

Welcome back Brillo - you were missed. :wavey:

[Brillopad]

Welcome back Brillo - you were missed. :wavey:

Thank you Jet! :hug:

[Northern Monkey]

At the end of the day.Corbyn has massive problems in his party with antisemites and it’s debatable whether he himself is with all these internet groups he’s part of and apologies for hateful ‘art work’.
So what could he do to heal divisions?
A good start might have been to go and meet with the wider Jewish community,The leaders and try to build bridges,To make a promise to expel the rot from the party,To challenge himself and make the effort to extend an olive branch,To tell them that Labour are ready to turn over a new leaf and most importantly to send a message that the current problems of antisemitism within Labour will not be tolerated.
But what did he actually do?
He went and had dinner in a house with a group of his supporters who may or may not have questionable views.’There you go,All done.I met some Jews.Nothing else to see here.Carry on’(paraphrasing).
Not really dealing with the issue.
If nothing else.It doesn’t look as if he made much effort.

[Kizzy]

What does it matter if you think someone looks Jewish, unless you think there is something wrong with looking Jewish? Your views about this are verging on antisemitic.

Where did I say that?

[jet]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/06/leaked-minutes-show-labour-at-odds-over-antisemitism-claims

Leaked minutes show Labour at odds over antisemitism claims.

Multiple sources have alleged that suspended members who were perceived as being sympathetic to Corbyn were defended, even when the evidence against them was overwhelming.

[jet]

Where did I say that?

It was a question, did you miss the question mark?
Why does it matter if someone thinks a person looks Jewish? Why are you making something out of nothing and ignoring all Corbyn and the Labour parties very obvious antisemitic slurs. Come on Kizzy, stop diverting to trivial nonsense and answer a direct question for once.

[jaxie]

With regard the looking Jewish conversation, there are people of many faith's who wear a sort of religious uniform in clothing, headwear, even in beard style for some men that make them identifyable as being Jewish or Muslim or Mormon or Amish for instance. I don't think it was meant in an offensive way to say someone looks Jewish. Of course there are many people who don't follow a certain dress code too but there are also those who do.

[Livia]

Labour's Dipu Ahad has been confirmed as one of the party's candidates in next month's local elections. This man has posted numerous anti-Semitic comments and yet they're still allowing him to stand.

Imagine if he'd been accused of being anti-Muslim.

This has been a source of discussion for my family, and I'm sure many Jewish families. And the consensus is this: the scariest thing about this whole affair is how many people are willing to stand up and argue that the party does not have a problem with anti-Semitism.

We're told in the Torah that every generation of Jew will face hard trials and tribulations... well, that's one bit that it would be difficult to argue against.

[kirklancaster]

I KNOW when someone is Jewish or not - especially - when I have talked to them 'up close'.

What I also KNOW, is when a thread about (NOT SO) 'Secret Anti-Semitism in the Labour Party' is being derailed and potential posts DEFLECTED not only by members causing a ridiculous hoo-ha by bringing in a question of whether I am being anti-Semitic or not because I used the innocent term 'Jewish-Looking' but also being derailed by members bringing in the non-relevant subject of Israel.

Deflection often happens because those deflecting have NO argument.

I am NOT the thread topic here and NOR is Israel.

[jet]

Labour's Dipu Ahad has been confirmed as one of the party's candidates in next month's local elections. This man has posted numerous anti-Semitic comments and yet they're still allowing him to stand.

Imagine if he'd been accused of being anti-Muslim.

This has been a source of discussion for my family, and I'm sure many Jewish families. And the consensus is this: the scariest thing about this whole affair is how many people are willing to stand up and argue that the party does not have a problem with anti-Semitism.

We're told in the Torah that every generation of Jew will face hard trials and tribulations... well, that's one bit that it would be difficult to argue against.

Despicable.

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Campaign-Against-Antisemitism-to-protest-outside-Labour-headquarters-549131

“The Jewish community demonstrated two weeks ago to say that enough is enough," Falter said in a statement released Sunday. "Since then, matters have deteriorated further and our disciplinary complaint against Jeremy Corbyn has been met with an initial rejection that is nothing more than a hurried whitewash designed to protect Mr. Corbyn without even the formality of an investigation. We cannot stand for this. This afternoon, Jews and non-Jews alike will converge from all over Britain to demonstrate at 2 p.m. outside Labour Head Office, demanding that Labour fulfills its duty to hold Mr. Corbyn to account, and we will of course appeal Ms. Formby’s predetermined decision."

“We call for justice and justice is all that will do," he added. "Under Jeremy Corbyn, Labour has become a safe haven for racists. He is at home amongst them, having spent his political career seeking out and giving succor to Holocaust deniers, genocidal antisemitic terrorist groups and a litany of Jew-haters. Labour must lead by example and show that Jeremy Corbyn is bound by the same rules as Leader as he was as a backbencher, by investigating the disciplinary complaint we have filed against him for bringing the Party into disrepute.”

[Brillopad]

Despicable.

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Antisemitism/Campaign-Against-Antisemitism-to-protest-outside-Labour-headquarters-549131

“The Jewish community demonstrated two weeks ago to say that enough is enough," Falter said in a statement released Sunday. "Since then, matters have deteriorated further and our disciplinary complaint against Jeremy Corbyn has been met with an initial rejection that is nothing more than a hurried whitewash designed to protect Mr. Corbyn without even the formality of an investigation. We cannot stand for this. This afternoon, Jews and non-Jews alike will converge from all over Britain to demonstrate at 2 p.m. outside Labour Head Office, demanding that Labour fulfills its duty to hold Mr. Corbyn to account, and we will of course appeal Ms. Formby’s predetermined decision."

“We call for justice and justice is all that will do," he added. "Under Jeremy Corbyn, Labour has become a safe haven for racists. He is at home amongst them, having spent his political career seeking out and giving succor to Holocaust deniers, genocidal antisemitic terrorist groups and a litany of Jew-haters. Labour must lead by example and show that Jeremy Corbyn is bound by the same rules as Leader as he was as a backbencher, by investigating the disciplinary complaint we have filed against him for bringing the Party into disrepute.”

What a sad indictment of the Labour Party and Corbyn that they show such disrespect for the Jewish communities’ justified concerns they fail to address them with any real validity and to add insult to injury they put forward a known anti-semetic as a candidate for the next local elections.

The party have become a law unto themselves and clearly believe themselves to be beyond reproach. Can you imagine the total catastrophe caused by such a party in government!

[Kazanne]

Well just to add some humour I did see this today and it did make me laugh.
https://i.imgur.com/AFPoGkI.png

[jet]

Well just to add some humour I did see this today and it did make me laugh.
https://i.imgur.com/AFPoGkI.png

:joker::joker::joker:

[Brillopad]

Well just to add some humour I did see this today and it did make me laugh.
https://i.imgur.com/AFPoGkI.png

Hilarious. Nice one Kaz!

[DemolitionRed]

you can't be serious :shocked:

And here are people complaining about that graffiti mural.
Posting such a picture says it all and I'm amazed its still sitting here.

[DemolitionRed]

Being Jewish is an ethnicity, and physical characteristics are associated with certain ethnicities; if I said someone "looked Chinese", people wouldn't ask how he looked Chinese.



I'm obviously kidding, that's my bae Fagin #Baegin

No its not. There are black Jews, Caucasian Jews, Arabic Jews. Judaism has no specific characteristics.

[Kazanne]

And here are people complaining about that graffiti mural.
Posting such a picture says it all and I'm amazed its still sitting here.

It's funny as is kizzy's avatar not much different really, blimey lighten up,there have been far worse pics on TM

[jet]

And here are people complaining about that graffiti mural.
Posting such a picture says it all and I'm amazed its still sitting here.

It's all about context and humour. Did Corbyn think he was being funny when he posted his mural comment? I think not.
You are not really in any position to complain as you champion the man who made that disgusting remark about the mural and languidly tolerates antisemitism in the party of which he is leader.
Hypocritical much?

[DemolitionRed]

At the end of the day.Corbyn has massive problems in his party with antisemites and it’s debatable whether he himself is with all these internet groups he’s part of and apologies for hateful ‘art work’.
So what could he do to heal divisions?
A good start might have been to go and meet with the wider Jewish community,The leaders and try to build bridges,To make a promise to expel the rot from the party,To challenge himself and make the effort to extend an olive branch,To tell them that Labour are ready to turn over a new leaf and most importantly to send a message that the current problems of antisemitism within Labour will not be tolerated.
But what did he actually do?
He went and had dinner in a house with a group of his supporters who may or may not have questionable views.’There you go,All done.I met some Jews.Nothing else to see here.Carry on’(paraphrasing).
Not really dealing with the issue.
If nothing else.It doesn’t look as if he made much effort.

But Corbyn has repeatedly put it out there that anti-Semitism will not be tolerated. He then tried to reach out to the Zionist side of Judaism but was coldly rejected. Even if he had met them he wouldn't be telling them he had a change of heart regarding Israel. All he could offer them is what he's already told us all, including them; any form or racism won't be tolerated.

As for the Jewish people he met, for years he's been in full contact with non-Zionist Jews. This wasn't anything new.

The bottom line is, Corbyn doesn't sit on Zionisms political side and is therefore seen as a very real threat.

[Oliver_W]

No its not. There are black Jews, Caucasian Jews, Arabic Jews. Judaism has no specific characteristics.

That are Caucasian, arabic, and black people who follow the Jewish faith, and then there are ethnic Jews.

[Brillopad]

But Corbyn has repeatedly put it out there that anti-Semitism will not be tolerated. He then tried to reach out to the Zionist side of Judaism but was coldly rejected. Even if he had met them he wouldn't be telling them he had a change of heart regarding Israel. All he could offer them is what he's already told us all, including them; any form or racism won't be tolerated.

As for the Jewish people he met, for years he's been in full contact with non-Zionist Jews. This wasn't anything new.

The bottom line is, Corbyn doesn't sit on Zionisms political side and is therefore seen as a very real threat.

Why wouldn’t they reject him! He isn’t doing this voluntarily but to attempt to save his own neck. Do you think Jewish people are stupid? If someone had denegrated you and your religion for several decades but was now trying to deny having done so to protect their political career would you want a bar of them - I know I wouldn’t.

[jet]

But Corbyn has repeatedly put it out there that anti-Semitism will not be tolerated. He then tried to reach out to the Zionist side of Judaism but was coldly rejected. Even if he had met them he wouldn't be telling them he had a change of heart regarding Israel. All he could offer them is what he's already told us all, including them; any form or racism won't be tolerated.

As for the Jewish people he met, for years he's been in full contact with non-Zionist Jews. This wasn't anything new.

The bottom line is, Corbyn doesn't sit on Zionisms political side and is therefore seen as a very real threat.

All words and no action. Words mean nothing.
Can you tell us exactly what he has DONE about the problem in the last few weeks that has sent out a crystal clear message that he won't tolerate antisemitism?

[Kizzy]

I KNOW when someone is Jewish or not - especially - when I have talked to them 'up close'.

What I also KNOW, is when a thread about (NOT SO) 'Secret Anti-Semitism in the Labour Party' is being derailed and potential posts DEFLECTED not only by members causing a ridiculous hoo-ha by bringing in a question of whether I am being anti-Semitic or not because I used the innocent term 'Jewish-Looking' but also being derailed by members bringing in the non-relevant subject of Israel.

Deflection often happens because those deflecting have NO argument.

I am NOT the thread topic here and NOR is Israel.

I have an argument you have chosen to ignore it, again why did you think the man was Jewish?

[kirklancaster]

Well just to add some humour I did see this today and it did make me laugh.
https://i.imgur.com/AFPoGkI.png

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: FFS Kaz. :laugh:

[jet]

But Corbyn has repeatedly put it out there that anti-Semitism will not be tolerated. He then tried to reach out to the Zionist side of Judaism but was coldly rejected. Even if he had met them he wouldn't be telling them he had a change of heart regarding Israel. All he could offer them is what he's already told us all, including them; any form or racism won't be tolerated.

As for the Jewish people he met, for years he's been in full contact with non-Zionist Jews. This wasn't anything new.

The bottom line is, Corbyn doesn't sit on Zionisms political side and is therefore seen as a very real threat.

Why do you keep bringing Zionism into it? What EXACTLY does that have to do with Corbyn and members of the Labour party's antisemitic slurs? Justification in your eyes? What?

[smudgie]

Well just to add some humour I did see this today and it did make me laugh.
https://i.imgur.com/AFPoGkI.png

:fist::fist:
Please don’t refer to Marsh as a tit.





:joker:

[jet]

:fist::fist:
Please don’t refer to Marsh as a tit.





:joker:

That's what made it doubly funny. :laugh:

[Brillopad]

:fist::fist:
Please don’t refer to Marsh as a tit.





:joker:

Can I excuse myself from giving a direct opinion on that. I would hate having to lie about it! :hehe: