Secret antissemtic

[Brillopad]

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-start-disciplinary-action-over-antisemitic-posts-on-secret-facebook-group-joined-by-corbyn-1.460197

Corbyn was member of secret Facebook group spouting antisemetic hate. Disciplinary action started. Comes as no surprise to me as there has been considerable mention of Labour members’ antisemitism.

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/my-jeremy-corbyn-dilemma-1.460305

[Crimson Dynamo]

his hatred of Jews is no secret

[Brillopad]

his hatred of Jews is no secret

He just doesn’t have the backbone to admit it. Too much at stake for him and his shot at No. 10.

[Maru]

Weird. I don't really know anything about Corbyn or who is tied to who, but there does seem to be an increasing trend of anti-semiticism in general...

For example, this has been going around the past few days...

The Women's March Has a Farrakhan Problem
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/womens-march/555122/

Women's March leader Tamika Mallory defends relationship with Farrakhan
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/womens-march-leader-defends-relationship-with-farrakhan/




https://i.imgur.com/ypbVXRG.jpg

[Kazanne]

The more I hear about this bloke the more of a stupid old fart he seems,how could someone like that ever hope to be PM ?

[Brillopad]

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-admits-being-member-of-controversial-facebook-group-11281462

Now come the excuses.

[kirklancaster]

He is, without doubt, THE most DANGEROUS politician in the UK.

An imbecile - YES.

But very very cunning and very very dangerous.

(more to follow)

[Mystic Mock]

I've noticed that quite a few of the Labour Party and it's voters have issues with the Jewish communities, I don't quite know why?

[Mystic Mock]

The more I hear about this bloke the more of a stupid old fart he seems,how could someone like that ever hope to be PM ?

We've had David Cameron and Theresa May tbf so anything is possible.:joker:

[kirklancaster]

I've noticed that quite a few of the Labour Party and it's voters have issues with the Jewish communities, I don't quite know why?

Probably because their sympathies (covertly mainly but overtly sometimes) lie with Hamas, Hezbollah and the PLO etc.

Corbyn's certainly do.

[kirklancaster]

We've had David Cameron and Theresa May tbf so anything is possible.:joker:

:laugh: To be fair Mock, Cameron was a very good PM who - in my opinion -
blotted his legacy with that EU Pamphlet ruse.

[Mystic Mock]

Probably because their sympathies (covertly mainly but overtly sometimes) lie with Hamas, Hezbollah and the PLO etc.

Corbyn's certainly do.

Your viewpoint does make sense as alot of people seem to be very school ground about it where there's no compromise from either the pro-Jewish camp,or the pro-Islam camp.

[Mystic Mock]

:laugh: To be fair Mock, Cameron was a very good PM who - in my opinion -
blotted his legacy with that EU Pamphlet ruse.

I just can't help but feel that Cameron has ruined this country and has made it hard for May to try and solve the issue imo.

[user104658]

[emoji23] To be fair Mock, Cameron was a very good PM who - in my opinion -
blotted his legacy with that EU Pamphlet ruse.I think his final months were so badly handled that he can't really still be called a good PM when it comes down to it, though. For the mostpart I think he was a decent enough PM (for a Tory :whistle: ) and the worst Toriea around in his time were others (e.g. Despite his recent crowing, Osbourne was worse than Cameron and others like Gove.... Just abysmal).

However Cameron was wildly over-confident and thus unprepared when he called the Brexit referendum and the campaign (which he allowed others to take the reins of) was a complete joke. And then running to the hills without allowing time for a well considered and thought out transition to a new PM, which created a power shambles that still hasn't really been resolved... That will always be his legacy now.

Similar to how, for many, Blair was a "good PM" for 90% of his term but his legacy will (rightly) always be Iraq and the dossiers.

[Smithy]

The more I hear about this bloke the more of a stupid old fart he seems,how could someone like that ever hope to be PM ?

Does this mean you just base your opinions on what people post on TiBB without actually doing any of your own research? :conf:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Does this mean you just base your opinions on what people post on TiBB without actually doing any of your own research? :conf:

where on earth does Kaz say that?

[bots]

reminds me of when Pete Townsend was found to be a member of a child porn site and had joined for "research purposes"

[Crimson Dynamo]

reminds me of when Pete Townsend was found to be a member of a child porn site and had joined for "research purposes"

"and as I always said to Pete, where the book?"

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/gavinstacey/images/c/c9/Gavin_stacey_nessa.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100222180001

[kirklancaster]

reminds me of when Pete Townsend was found to be a member of a child porn site and had joined for "research purposes"

WHO? :hee: Hi BOTS.

[Vicky.]

:laugh: To be fair Mock, Cameron was a very good PM who - in my opinion -
blotted his legacy with that EU Pamphlet ruse.

I have to agree with this. I was far from his biggest fan, but he was pretty decent (for a Tory :p ), very strong and such. Total opposite of May.

Or he seemed strong, maybe he was just a good actor. He clearly was not strong given he ran away after the shambles that was the Brexit vote (not the vote itself as such, but having NO plan for if the public voted leave)

As for the OP, it is entirely possible to be part of a group without knowing all of the members in it, or seeing every post ever made in there. Unless the group was constantly posting anti-semetic stuff, and Corbyn was actually posting it himself..I don't really see the issue here. However, little things do seem to be adding up.

[Brillopad]

Does this mean you just base your opinions on what people post on TiBB without actually doing any of your own research? :conf:

Do you think the Jewish Chronicle is not sufficient evidence and that Labour disciplining members does not speak volumes. If you say so love!

[chuff me dizzy]

He is, without doubt, THE most DANGEROUS politician in the UK.

An imbecile - YES.

But very very cunning and very very dangerous.

(more to follow)

Totally agree

[chuff me dizzy]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458


His own party didnt want him,but he refused to walk away ... Such bloody arrogance

[Mystic Mock]

reminds me of when Pete Townsend was found to be a member of a child porn site and had joined for "research purposes"

Tbf that is more likely than this Corbyn case as alot of people try to find child porn sites and then report it to The Police or other forms of Law Enforcement.

It does sound dodgy though.

[Mystic Mock]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36647458


His own party didnt want him,but he refused to walk away ... Such bloody arrogance

That's because the Labour voters wanted him tbf.

[bots]

Tbf that is more likely than this Corbyn case as alot of people try to find child porn sites and then report it to The Police or other forms of Law Enforcement.

It does sound dodgy though.

he ended up on the sex offenders register so it was an excuse that wasn't believed

[chuff me dizzy]

That's because the Labour voters wanted him tbf.

Not the old Labour voters, they know him of old

[DemolitionRed]

I'm a FB follower of Palestine Live and I'm also a follower of Frontline Israel and Jewish Voice for Labour. The reason I follow these groups is because I'm interested in both Israeli and Palestinian politics. With at least two of these (not Jewish Voice for Labour) groups you get some muppets saying stupid racist things but you just ignore them, or you don't understand them because they are writing in Arabic or Yiddish.

This video is on Palestine Live, though I had to go to YT to copy it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtF9_yuAnM This is the sort of thing I'd expect to see when I go on groups like this.

So why did Corbyn join such a group... political interest? or as he suggests, did someone else join him? and is that group similar to Palestine Live with the same few idiots trying to have their bigoted say?

All political groups attract unsavory characters. Even on here we get people who are staunchly anti Muslim but that doesn't make everyone who joins or partakes on this site anti-Muslim.

I certainly don't think Corbyn is anti Jew. I believe he's anti apartheid but a Jew hater? come on!

[Brillopad]

I'm a FB follower of Palestine Live and I'm also a follower of Frontline Israel and Jewish Voice for Labour. The reason I follow these groups is because I'm interested in both Israeli and Palestinian politics. With at least two of these (not Jewish Voice for Labour) groups you get some muppets saying stupid racist things but you just ignore them, or you don't understand them because they are writing in Arabic or Yiddish.

This video is on Palestine Live, though I had to go to YT to copy it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtF9_yuAnM This is the sort of thing I'd expect to see when I go on groups like this.

So why did Corbyn join such a group... political interest? or as he suggests, did someone else join him? and is that group similar to Palestine Live with the same few idiots trying to have their bigoted say?

All political groups attract unsavory characters. Even on here we get people who are staunchly anti Muslim but that doesn't make everyone who joins or partakes on this site anti-Muslim.

I certainly don't think Corbyn is anti Jew. I believe he's anti apartheid but a Jew hater? come on!

You get unsavoury characters from all walks of life but few are trying to be PM. Few admire terrorists and want to invite them to Westminster. You can’t compare people arguing on a BB site to an aspiring PM who wants a huge say in the running of this country. There are far too many question marks hanging over him for people to ignore them. And no one who distrusts him is going to be reassured by your views.

[jet]

You get unsavoury characters from all walks of life but few are trying to be PM. Few admire terrorists and want to invite them to Westminster. You can’t compare people arguing on a BB site to an aspiring PM who wants a huge say in the running of this country. There are far too many question marks hanging over him for people to ignore them. And no one who distrusts him is going to be reassured by your views.

Unfortunately some people can't, or won't, do the adding up Brillo, except when it comes to adding up the extra few pounds Corbyn promises to put in their pockets from his money tree.

[Brillopad]

Unfortunately some people can't, or won't, do the adding up Brillo, except when it comes to adding up the extra few pounds Corbyn promises to put in their pockets from his money tree.

It will need to be a magic money tree Jet to finance all his ‘promises’. He reminds me of the pied piper with all his ridiculous claims. Anything to get what he wants. Once in he will have free reign and somehow I don’t think that is going to be good for Britain.

[Beso]

Why do people hate jews anyway?...this has always confused me....it used to be skinheads that did when i was a kid...is jc an ex skinhead? Turned crusty!

[jet]

It will need to be a magic money tree Jet to finance all his ‘promises’. He reminds me of the pied piper with all his ridiculous claims. Anything to get what he wants. Once in he will have free reign and somehow I don’t think that is going to be good for Britain.

Yep, like the ridiculous claims he made to get students to vote for him (he couldn't even say where the money was going to come from, the fool - that interview was hilarious) :laugh: - and the u turn he made over Brexit...but some still believe he's Mr. Wonderful.

[jet]

Why do people hate jews anyway?...this has always confused me....it used to be skinheads that did when i was a kid...is jc an ex skinhead? Turned crusty!

He always looks kinda dirty - like he smells. :hehe:

[kirklancaster]

I'm a FB follower of Palestine Live and I'm also a follower of Frontline Israel and Jewish Voice for Labour. The reason I follow these groups is because I'm interested in both Israeli and Palestinian politics. With at least two of these (not Jewish Voice for Labour) groups you get some muppets saying stupid racist things but you just ignore them, or you don't understand them because they are writing in Arabic or Yiddish.

This video is on Palestine Live, though I had to go to YT to copy it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEtF9_yuAnM This is the sort of thing I'd expect to see when I go on groups like this.

So why did Corbyn join such a group... political interest? or as he suggests, did someone else join him? and is that group similar to Palestine Live with the same few idiots trying to have their bigoted say?

All political groups attract unsavory characters. Even on here we get people who are staunchly anti Muslim but that doesn't make everyone who joins or partakes on this site anti-Muslim.

I certainly don't think Corbyn is anti Jew. I believe he's anti apartheid but a Jew hater? come on!

:nono: This is strictly UNTRUE Red - There is not a shred of evidence to justify stating so matter-of-factly that ANYONE on here is 'Anti-Muslim'. They are NOT.

What some members are - myself included - are staunchly ANTI-MUSLIM TERRORIST.

And what's more, we have ALL gone to elaborate lengths in one form or another to point out that we are NOT referring to ALL Muslims per se.

[user104658]

:nono: This is strictly UNTRUE Red - There is not a shred of evidence to justify stating so matter-of-factly that ANYONE on here is 'Anti-Muslim'. They are NOT.

What some members are - myself included - are staunchly ANTI-MUSLIM TERRORIST.

And what's more, we have ALL gone to elaborate lengths in one form or another to point out that we are NOT referring to ALL Muslims per se.I don't know how closely you've followed while away Kirk but I'm quite content in saying that there are members who are anti Muslim culture, completely unrelated to terrorism / extremism. Debatably justified in some cases, maybe (e.g. Muslim culture vs women's rights), not so much in others (a general sentiment that the inclusion of Muslim festivities over the holiday period is wrong as it erodes British tradition).

But yes, there is definitely some level of anti Muslim sentiment that's unrelated to ISIS or terrorism.

[kirklancaster]

I don't know how closely you've followed while away Kirk but I'm quite content in saying that there are members who are anti Muslim culture, completely unrelated to terrorism / extremism. Debatably justified in some cases, maybe (e.g. Muslim culture vs women's rights), not so much in others (a general sentiment that the inclusion of Muslim festivities over the holiday period is wrong as it erodes British tradition).

But yes, there is definitely some level of anti Muslim sentiment that's unrelated to ISIS or terrorism.

Thanks for making me aware of this T.S. I will have a read through posts I may have missed during my absence.

I know that I have never stated ALL Muslims when I have slated terrorists etc, but I believe anyway - as you infer - that on here it is more a rail at certain Muslim traditions and practices than it is 'Anti-Muslim' attitudes.

[Mystic Mock]

he ended up on the sex offenders register so it was an excuse that wasn't believed

I don't know much about the case, but good then if he really swings that way. Personally I don't think that Paedophiles should be allowed out of prison as they're a permanent danger to children.

[Mystic Mock]

Yep, like the ridiculous claims he made to get students to vote for him (he couldn't even say where the money was going to come from, the fool - that interview was hilarious) :laugh: - and the u turn he made over Brexit...but some still believe he's Mr. Wonderful.

I think it's less about Corbyn being wonderful and more about May and her party being completely incompetent as of late, and tbh ever since David Cameron beat Gordon Brown in 2010 General Election to get Lib Dems into a Coalition.

I swear the only policy that was handled okay by the current Government was Gay Marriage.

[Brillopad]

I don't know how closely you've followed while away Kirk but I'm quite content in saying that there are members who are anti Muslim culture, completely unrelated to terrorism / extremism. Debatably justified in some cases, maybe (e.g. Muslim culture vs women's rights), not so much in others (a general sentiment that the inclusion of Muslim festivities over the holiday period is wrong as it erodes British tradition).

But yes, there is definitely some level of anti Muslim sentiment that's unrelated to ISIS or terrorism.

Thing with that is some people react to comments by others that British culture doesn’t exist or has no value. Some people on here often make sarcastic comments and try to reduce the British way of life to frivolities such as fish and chips. People on here constantly blatantly undermine Britain and British values in an attempt to offend so it is hardly surprising they get a reaction. So let’s not conveniently portray just one part of a much bigger picture of insults shall we.

[user104658]

Thing with that is some people react to comments by others that British culture doesn’t exist or has no value. Some people on here often make sarcastic comments and try to reduce the British way of life to frivolities such as fish and chips. People on here constantly blatantly undermine Britain and British values in an attempt to offend so it is hardly surprising they get a reaction. So let’s not conveniently portray just one part of a much bigger picture of insults shall we.I wasn't really passing judgment Brillo, I do actually understand (some of) your issues with how women are viewed within cultural Islam. All I was really doing here was pointing out that not all of the criticism of Islam on the forum is linked to extremism / terrorism.

For the record I honestly have no problem with criticism of religious or cultural practice when there's evidence of it being negative. I have plenty of criticisms of religion in general. My only problem arises when assumptions are made based on someone's background...

i.e. "We can see that that man is oppressing his wife and doesn't want her to have a job / drive / etc and he is Muslim so it's probably linked to his cultural background" - - - That statement is fine for a debate.

But, "I don't know anything about that woman, but as her husband is a Muslim he PROBABLY oppresses her and doesn't want her to be independent" (without any actual knowledge of their family) - - - that would not be fine.

[MTVN]

Good article by Dan Hodges (a Labour supporter for the record) on this today

Over 150 pages, it painstakingly detailed how Corbyn had spent two years as a member of a closed Facebook group called Palestine Live. The group was a veritable cesspit of anti-Semitism, containing vast numbers of racist posts and links ranging from Holocaust denial, through Zionist conspiracy theories and 9/11 conspiracy theories, to descriptions of Jews as ‘Zios’, ‘ZioNazi’ and ‘JewNazi’.

Collier’s research revealed Corbyn had engaged with the group, had been lauded by its members, and had organised meetings at the Commons for members via the site. In response, Corbyn’s office claimed he had been added to the group without his knowledge or consent.

When it was pointed out he had posted on the site, they backtracked and claimed he had only responded to individual posts in which he’d been mentioned. Then it was pointed out he had in fact ‘favoured’ various pieces of general content. At which point Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell appeared on television to claim Corbyn had left the group as soon as its vile nature had been brought to his attention.

Unfortunately, Corbyn himself had already undermined that defence, admitting he had only left the site when he was elected Labour leader. So his office finally fell back on the line that he had not personally seen or engaged with any anti-Semitic content directly.

At this point the reaction was instantaneous and savage. An instantaneous and savage silence.

From Labour’s Shadow Cabinet there was silence. From Labour MPs there was silence. From the Tory Party there was silence. On the main broadcast bulletins there was silence. On the front pages of the national newspapers there was silence. Across the nation. Silence. It’s important to repeat again what had occurred. The leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition admitted to being a member of what by any objective definition is a Facebook group of unremitting anti-Semitic hatred. He admitted to engaging with that group, of organising meetings on behalf of that group, and of remaining a member of that group for two full years.

And yet there is nothing. No internal challenge or repudiation. No external challenge or repudiation. Just a collective shrug.

Full article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5485917/DAN-HODGES-Corbyn-anit-Semetic-pals-smashed-moral-compass.html

[Vicky.]

From the Tory Party there was silence.

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.

On the front pages of the national newspapers there was silence

This too.

[user104658]

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.



This too.Gentleman's agreement so that no one will air all of THEIR dirty laundry, one would imagine.

[MTVN]

This makes NO sense. Why aren't they shouting from the rooftops, if there is proof? No way would the Tories stay quiet on something this big.



This too.

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here

https://i0.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/corbyn-fb.png?w=540&ssl=1

The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:

The line that has been crossed cannot now be redrawn. The anti-Semites – with the help of Corbyn and the other useful idiots within Labour’s ranks – have won. They have reset the moral compass of a nation. In fact, they have snapped it in two.

The articles written in protest over their malign coup have been successfully dismissed as smears. The voices raised against them discounted as political agitation. The facts detailing their racist insurrection recast as ‘fake news’.

Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

[Northern Monkey]

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here

https://i0.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/corbyn-fb.png?w=540&ssl=1

The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore
No way i’m voting Labour again while these arseholes are in charge.I don’t know what came over me.
Looks like i’m not voting next GE.
Just watching with interest.

[Vicky.]

The articles written in protest over their malign coup have been successfully dismissed as smears. The voices raised against them discounted as political agitation. The facts detailing their racist insurrection recast as ‘fake news’.

I don't accept this as a reason at all. This is basically saying anything could come out about Corbyn, with absolute proof, and neither the Tories nor the press would actually say anything about it, all because a few Corbyn fanatics would dismiss it as fake? Nah. Everyone has their fanatics, who will dismiss anything negative about their idol. Kinda the whole point of being a fanatic. But most of the public are not like this, and I totally refuse to believe that no fuss is being made of this simply because it would be dismissed as a smear :laugh: Also no way I am reading 150 pages on this when I have already seen enough to prove Corbyn has some very dodgy views anyway, so it doesn't really interest me as such.

AND, it is entirely possible that he did not read the comments on stuff. Thats not an excuse, he might well have seen them. I am slightly tempted to waste hours to read that whole document, to see if he replied TO any of the anti-semetic comments. Like directly to them, which would prove beyond doubt that he did read them. Answering a post that has some dodgy comments on it, doesn't really prove anything. On FB I don't tend to click the 'view previous comments' bit in groups, I just add my own comment to the original post. I cannot be the only one who does this? Or I will read the comments, ignore anything troll like, and only reply to people who speak sense. I don't tend to pull people up on offensive posts as..whats the point? It just sets people off arguing. Ignoring them is the best way, and possibly reporting them to FB if they are too bad. Also from that screenshot, it looks like he only replied on there as he was tagged? So indeed may have only read that one comment that tagged him

Either way though, I just do not accept that this is all brushed under the carpet because the press think there is no point reporting it as apparently noone will believe it, when they put Corbyn front page for taking a train or farting ffs :laugh:

I know people will read this and brush it off as making excuses for him. But I am far from Corbyns biggest fan. Might have supported him at one stage, but not for months and months now.

[DemolitionRed]

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here

https://i0.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/corbyn-fb.png?w=540&ssl=1

The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

Hang on a minute. You either agree and support the apartheid or you don't. Corbyn does not support it, neither do I. This isn't about the Jews, its about the Zionists...big difference. You can be a Christian Zionist, an atheist Zionist, a Jewish Zionist. To be Zionist doesn't make you a Jew. For instance, everyone here who supports the divide of Israel and Palestine are Zionists. Everyone who doesn't are anti-Zionist.

The screen shot you sent says nothing other than Corbyn makes it clear he doesn't support the apartheid. When so many Jews, including Israeli Jews also don't support this form of Zionism, how does that make Corbyn anti Jewish?

[MTVN]

I don't accept this as a reason at all. This is basically saying anything could come out about Corbyn, with absolute proof, and neither the Tories nor the press would actually say anything about it, all because a few Corbyn fanatics would dismiss it as fake? Nah. Everyone has their fanatics, who will dismiss anything negative about their idol. Kinda the whole point of being a fanatic. But most of the public are not like this, and I totally refuse to believe that no fuss is being made of this simply because it would be dismissed as a smear :laugh: Also no way I am reading 150 pages on this when I have already seen enough to prove Corbyn has some very dodgy views anyway, so it doesn't really interest me as such.

AND, it is entirely possible that he did not read the comments on stuff. Thats not an excuse, he might well have seen them. I am slightly tempted to waste hours to read that whole document, to see if he replied TO any of the anti-semetic comments. Like directly to them, which would prove beyond doubt that he did read them. Answering a post that has some dodgy comments on it, doesn't really prove anything. On FB I don't tend to click the 'view previous comments' bit in groups, I just add my own comment to the original post. I cannot be the only one who does this? Or I will read the comments, ignore anything troll like, and only reply to people who speak sense. I don't tend to pull people up on offensive posts as..whats the point? It just sets people off arguing. Ignoring them is the best way, and possibly reporting them to FB if they are too bad. Also from that screenshot, it looks like he only replied on there as he was tagged? So indeed may have only read that one comment that tagged him

Either way though, I just do not accept that this is all brushed under the carpet because the press think there is no point reporting it as apparently noone will believe it, when they put Corbyn front page for taking a train or farting ffs :laugh:

I know people will read this and brush it off as making excuses for him. But I am far from Corbyns biggest fan. Might have supported him at one stage, but not for months and months now.

Well I think the wider point is that anti-semitism has now become acceptable enough in British society that it doesn't seem to matter that the leader of the opposition happily fraternised with anti-semites in this Facebook group for months and months and actively participated in discussions. Imagine if May had been a member of a group which contained a load of EDL members and regularly posted anti-Muslim stuff and she commented on posts containing that sort of content.

The Tories and the media do have some responsibility for not considering this worth making a fuss about. I don't think anybody would accuse Corbyn himself of being anti-semitic but he also doesn't seem that bothered by the issue

[MTVN]

Hang on a minute. You either agree and support the apartheid or you don't. Corbyn does not support it, neither do I. This isn't about the Jews, its about the Zionists...big difference. You can be a Christian Zionist, an atheist Zionist, a Jewish Zionist. To be Zionist doesn't make you a Jew. For instance, everyone here who supports the divide of Israel and Palestine are Zionists. Everyone who doesn't are anti-Zionist.

The screen shot you sent says nothing other than Corbyn makes it clear he doesn't support the apartheid. When so many Jews, including Israeli Jews also don't support this form of Zionism, how does that make Corbyn anti Jewish?

It's not about what he himself says, the problem is with the company he keeps. Of course 'anti-zionist' has always been a nice cover for those who are basically just anti-semitic

[MTVN]

Sorry to keep quoting this article but I do think it nails it:

What the hell is happening to us? How have we managed to fall this far? The ethical framework that surrounds our politics has morphed into a grotesque, sickening parody. Place a hand on a knee – you’re gone. Fiddle expenses – you’re gone. Tweet an inanity about someone’s breasts – you’re gone. Watch pornography – actually deny watching pornography – you’re still gone. But engage with an overtly racist Facebook group – something that would get you sacked from any other workplace in the country – and you can carry on, no questions asked. Potentially all the way to No 10.
...

For how much longer are we meant to suspend disbelief? Corbyn’s ten-year association with Holocaust denier Paul Eisen? ‘I didn’t know,’ he claimed, his office saying he opposed Eisen’s views. His association with anti-Semite Sheikh Raed Salah? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semite Reverend Stephen Sizer? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semites within Palestine Live? ‘I didn’t know.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5485917/DAN-HODGES-Corbyn-anit-Semetic-pals-smashed-moral-compass.html#ixzz59TY7KG3y

[DemolitionRed]

It's not about what he himself says, the problem is with the company he keeps. Of course 'anti-zionist' has always been a nice cover for those who are basically just anti-semitic

And using 'anti-Jewish' has always been a nice cover for those who are Zionist'.

I am not anti-Jewish in any way or form. You can accuse me all you like but that still doesn't make me anti-Jewish.

[DemolitionRed]

As a Jewish Labour member, I'm sick of anti-Semitism being used as a political weapon against Jeremy Corbyn http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-labour-conference-jewish-supporter-vote-political-weapon-a7330891.html

How Israel lobby manufactured UK Labour Party’s anti-Semitism crisis

Smears of anti-Semitism against Corbyn started even before he was elected.
During his leadership campaign in the summer of 2015, the establishment media worked itself into a frenzy of anti-Corbyn hysteria, led more than any other paper by the liberal Guardian.
One of the recurring themes in this campaign was Corbyn’s long-standing support for Palestinian human rights.
Because of this, attempts were made to say outright, or to imply, that Corbyn was a secret anti-Semite, or that he associated with, or tolerated “notorious” anti-Semites.
Although these hit jobs gained some traction, they were soon debunked, and ultimately seemed to have little impact on the leadership election.

This dishonest theme is now being revisited. In February, the slow drip of anti-Semitism scare stories burst into a flood. https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-israel-lobby-manufactured-uk-labour-partys-anti-semitism-crisis/16481

4 reasons the “anti-Semitism” attacks on Jeremy Corbyn are dishonest

The most shocking accusation, originating with The Daily Mail, is that Corbyn has “long standing links” with Paul Eisen, a “notorious” Holocaust denier involved in the group Deir Yassin Remembered.

Eisen certainly expresses disgusting views, denying the Nazi Holocaust took place and frequently expressing other anti-Semitic opinions on his blog.

However, his only real notoriety is for his attempts to infiltrate the Palestine solidarity movement.

Once it became clear what his views were, he was widely condemned and shunned by a movement which is fundamentally anti-racist in its basic principles. Indeed, even in the blog post which the Mail relied on as the source for its smear, Eisen admits that the movement has long “despised me.” https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/4-reasons-anti-semitism-attacks-jeremy-corbyn-are-dishonest

[Kizzy]

Sorry to keep quoting this article but I do think it nails it:

What the hell is happening to us? How have we managed to fall this far? The ethical framework that surrounds our politics has morphed into a grotesque, sickening parody. Place a hand on a knee – you’re gone. Fiddle expenses – you’re gone. Tweet an inanity about someone’s breasts – you’re gone. Watch pornography – actually deny watching pornography – you’re still gone. But engage with an overtly racist Facebook group – something that would get you sacked from any other workplace in the country – and you can carry on, no questions asked. Potentially all the way to No 10.
...

For how much longer are we meant to suspend disbelief? Corbyn’s ten-year association with Holocaust denier Paul Eisen? ‘I didn’t know,’ he claimed, his office saying he opposed Eisen’s views. His association with anti-Semite Sheikh Raed Salah? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semite Reverend Stephen Sizer? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semites within Palestine Live? ‘I didn’t know.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5485917/DAN-HODGES-Corbyn-anit-Semetic-pals-smashed-moral-compass.html#ixzz59TY7KG3y

Ethics according to Dan Hodges?... lol

fyi Damian Green didn't lose his ministerial position for placing a hand on a knee.

[jet]

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here

https://i0.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/corbyn-fb.png?w=540&ssl=1

The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

Yes, its quite astounding how a percentage of otherwise seemingly intelligent, seemingly moral people close their minds, eyes and ears and completely deny ALL evidence and reports of all of Corbyn's many dodgy sympathies and behaviour.
It's a phenomena I've never seen before to this extent and its extremely disturbing.

[Mystic Mock]

It's not a question of 'if' there is proof though - there is proof across 150 pages of David Colliers report which can be read here: http://david-collier.com/exclusive-corbyn-antisemitism/

There's also screenshots showing Corbyn commenting on posts littered with questionable content and views like here

https://i0.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/corbyn-fb.png?w=540&ssl=1

The reason the Tories and a lot of the press haven't made as much fuss about this is because of what Hodges says later on:



Basically this stuff doesn't cut through to people. They either dismiss it as Tory propaganda or assume it has been heavily exaggerated. There is so much evidence of questionable behaviour and dodgy contacts that Corbyn has been involved in but the truth is no one does seem to care. It has done nothing to dent Corbyns popularity so now even the Tories barely confront it anymore

BIB, it's like the boy who cried wolf here, if the Tory Papers hadn't have gone for Corbyn over being a "traitor to the country" and "working for the IRA" and hadn't have gone so OTT on Labour with other leaders then alot of the people that you're saying aren't believing the true extent of this probably would've taken the report more seriously.

Personally I actually believe this report to be true, however it is annoying to see the Media keep going for Labour and Corbyn on controversies, but never seem to touch the Tories who must have Skeletons in the closet aswell.

[bots]

BIB, it's like the boy who cried wolf here, if the Tory Papers hadn't have gone for Corbyn over being a "traitor to the country" and "working for the IRA" and hadn't have gone so OTT on Labour with other leaders then alot of the people that you're saying aren't believing the true extent of this probably would've taken the report more seriously.

Personally I actually believe this report to be true, however it is annoying to see the Media keep going for Labour and Corbyn on controversies, but never seem to touch the Tories who must have Skeletons in the closet aswell.

We are talking about the leader of the labour party and potentially the PM. That's why it deserves attention. These are not skeletons in the closet, these are documented events that Corbyn has been involved in.

[MTVN]

Ethics according to Dan Hodges?... lol

fyi Damian Green didn't lose his ministerial position for placing a hand on a knee.

Michael Fallon did

[Kizzy]

Michael Fallon did

Nope that was for admitting inappropriate behaviour towards Jane Merrick.
But it's great that you think it's ok to downplay members of the establishment being abusive towards women. :/

[DemolitionRed]

If I believed Corbyn was anti-Jewish for an iota of a second, I couldn't support him. People can ram propaganda slurs down my throat all they like. People can continue with their cacophony of hate but it still won't make it truth.

The press, if they were desperate enough, could convince some people that Martin Luther King was a spy for the ku klux Klan.

[jet]

Sorry to keep quoting this article but I do think it nails it:

What the hell is happening to us? How have we managed to fall this far? The ethical framework that surrounds our politics has morphed into a grotesque, sickening parody. Place a hand on a knee – you’re gone. Fiddle expenses – you’re gone. Tweet an inanity about someone’s breasts – you’re gone. Watch pornography – actually deny watching pornography – you’re still gone. But engage with an overtly racist Facebook group – something that would get you sacked from any other workplace in the country – and you can carry on, no questions asked. Potentially all the way to No 10.
...

For how much longer are we meant to suspend disbelief? Corbyn’s ten-year association with Holocaust denier Paul Eisen? ‘I didn’t know,’ he claimed, his office saying he opposed Eisen’s views. His association with anti-Semite Sheikh Raed Salah? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semite Reverend Stephen Sizer? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semites within Palestine Live? ‘I didn’t know.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5485917/DAN-HODGES-Corbyn-anit-Semetic-pals-smashed-moral-compass.html#ixzz59TY7KG3y

I doubt if many Corbyn supporters even reads these articles or any others for that matter because no matter what is revealed its all dismissed as Propaganda! Lies! - even actual events that occurred, archive documents and words from Corbyn's own mouth.

That article you linked was very interesting and it concludes:

The articles written in protest over their malign coup have been successfully dismissed as smears. The voices raised against them discounted as political agitation. The facts detailing their racist insurrection recast as ‘fake news’. So mark the moment. Bad things are about to happen in this country. And when they do, we had better not say we didn’t know. Or that we had no chance to stop them.

[DemolitionRed]

I did read that article and noted there wasn't a single reputable cite in it. Its just words of propaganda. The DM have been doing this since the second world war when they frightened British citizens by telling them that the incoming Jews were rapists, kidnappers and thieves and this same 'attractive to some' middle class paper who rarely stoop to 'real politics' are still doing it and still have an audience! Like the British government they have aligned themselves with Israel. Whilst Corbyn recognizes both Israel and Palestine, he refuses to celebrate the Balfour Declaration and that's why he's being continuously slurred in this ridiculous fashion.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-reason-for-israel-not-to-trust-corbyn-says-his-jewish-spokesman/

[jet]

I did read that article and noted there wasn't a single reputable cite in it. Its just words of propaganda. The DM have been doing this since the second world war when they frightened British citizens by telling them that the incoming Jews were rapists, kidnappers and thieves and this same 'attractive to some' middle class paper who rarely stoop to 'real politics' are still doing it and still have an audience! Like the British government they have aligned themselves with Israel. Whilst Corbyn recognizes both Israel and Palestine, he refuses to celebrate the Balfour Declaration and that's why he's being continuously slurred in this ridiculous fashion.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/no-reason-for-israel-not-to-trust-corbyn-says-his-jewish-spokesman/

Righty ho, if a Jewish Labour member says Corbyn isn't anti - semitic it must be true then...but if someone else says something negative its lies...:think:

That same man sounds like he is wary of Corbyn as PM:

However, Hamilton, a parliamentary supporter of Labour Friends of Israel, also pointedly noted that “there’s the whole tiers of the civil service that would be there to try and ensure you don’t do anything crazy.” He argued that a heavy domestic agenda would prevent Corbyn from fixating on Israel.

Oh dear...

[Livia]

There is MASSIVE Anti-Semitism in the Labour party. Everyone knows it... including the Labour Party themselves. Because they got Shami Chakrabarti to look into it... they cancelled out any kind of faith anyone might have had in her by making her a Baroness a few days after she reached her "Nothing to see here...." conclusion.

[Kizzy]

That's as there was nothing to see, had there been it would have come up either in the report or by someone analysing the report.
Where was the report following Aiden Burleys nazi 'party' or bojo surreptitiously singing 'Ode to Joy' in German...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2itdv1aEpG4&feature=youtu.be

[user104658]

If I believed Corbyn was anti-Jewish for an iota of a second, I couldn't support him. People can ram propaganda slurs down my throat all they like. People can continue with their cacophony of hate but it still won't make it truth.

The press, if they were desperate enough, could convince some people that Martin Luther King was a spy for the ku klux Klan.You can all it GUARANTEE that Martin Luther King would have been vilified by a large group if Twitter and Facebook had been around back then.

Not that I'm comparing Corbyn to MLK, just to illustrate, I suppose, that now that everyone has a platform, things are very different.

[Maru]

It also may be unexpected for some people (The link to prejudice here). Who would've thought anti-semiticism would make a return after Hitler and boil up to the surface like it seems to be doing in the West? It didn't seem possible in the US... I don't think racism or ethnocentrism will ever go away. There's always going to be some sort of prejudice out there, so I feel like anything that encourages racial profiling (including "corrective" prejudice) will likely exacerbate it... we had it right when we aiming for individuality. The moment we began to shift back to group identity, that seems like that is when **** started hitting the fan...

Do y'all have a choice who your candidates will be before an election? Like a primary...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Timeline


Labour and antisemitism

The context

Labour has been repeatedly blighted by charges that it has failed to tackle antisemitism in the party since Jeremy Corbyn became leader in 2015. Supporters of Corbyn, who has a long history of supporting Palestinians in their dispute with Israel, fear the issue is being used to undermine his leadership.
29 February 2016

Labour launches an inquiry into allegations of antisemitism and bullying after a fractious election of a youth representative to its ruling body.
10 March 2016

Labour expels far-left activist Gerry Downing, who had spoken of the need to “address the Jewish question”.
15 March 2016

Activist Vicki Kirby is suspended by the party for a second time over making alleged antisemitic tweets. She apparently suggested Adolf Hitler might be a “Zionist God” and that Jews had “big noses”.
22 March 2016

Labour suspends Khadim Hussain, a Labour councillor and former lord mayor of Bradford, after he shared a Facebook post that said “your school education system only tells you about Anne Frank and the 6 million Zionists that were killed by Hitler". He later quit the party.
25 April 2016

Naz Shah, the Labour MP for Bradford West, apologises for writing a series of antisemitic posts on Facebook including arguing for Israel’s population to be ‘transported’ out of the Middle East. She also resigns as PPS to John McDonnell and after sustained pressure is suspended from the party a day later.
27 April 2016

Labour suspends, but does not expel, former London mayor Ken Livingstone, after making offensive comments about Hitler supporting Zionism while defending Shah.
29 June 2016

A two-month inquiry by Shami Chakrabarti, ordered by Corbyn, urges Labour members to avoid abusive language and references to Hitler and Holocaust metaphors. It is criticised as being too soft on the issue and regarded as compromised because Chakrabarti had just accepted a peerage.
2 October 2016

Jackie Walker is removed as vice-chair of Momentum after criticising Holocaust Memorial Day but is allowed to remain on its steering committee. She was earlier suspended by the party for questioning why Holocaust Memorial Day did not recognise other genocides.
15 October 2016

The home affairs select committee accuses Labour of incompetence in dealing with antisemitism and helping to create a safe space for people with “vile attitudes towards Jewish people”.
3 April 2017

Livingstone again avoids expulsion from the party after a disciplinary panel rules he should be suspended for another year over comments about antisemitism, Hitler and Zionism. Britain’s chief rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis, accuses Labour of failing the Jewish community by not expelling Livingstone.
16 September 2017

Corbyn backs a party rule change, put forward by the Jewish Labour Movement, that takes tougher line on antisemitic abuse.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/08/labour-suspends-party-members-in-antisemitic-facebook-group

[DemolitionRed]

I didn't find these words in the link you posted. I found them on this site http://www.richardhartley.com/2018/03/labour-suspends-party-members-in-antisemitic-facebook-group/ which is powered by the Guardian. You need to read the entire article which they can't do with the link you gave and they need to read links to the article. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/sep/17/jeremy-corbyn-will-back-change-to-allow-tough-line-on-antisemitism

[jaxie]

Cameron wasn't bad and I'll always be grateful he gave us a vote on the EU. We had 40 years of radical political change and betrayal of our democracy, ruin of fishing communities with the dreadful and outrageous common fisheries policy and the over fishing of our waters and destruction of our fishing stocks by foreign trawlers,with no voice, no say, no votes as all these things were given away by successive governments. But he ruined his legacy by running off because he had no plan, betraying us all over again.

I cringe a little bit more every time I hear some self righteous MP witter on about how they wanted to remain and that leave wasn't clear enough and didn't mention the customs union, the single market and the packet of digestives in Junker's desk drawer.

I dislike and distrust Corbyn and his momentum gang intensely. If this country is foolish enough to ever put them in power then it's probably going to deserve the bed it's going to lay in. I don't know the truth of anti semitism in the party but it comes up a lot and there is a need for scrutiny. Corbyn definitely seems to have some strong sympathies in the past with terrorist organisations, particularly anti Jewish ones.

[Kazanne]

We've had David Cameron and Theresa May tbf so anything is possible.:joker:

I liked Cameron,thought he was a good PM,it's just a matter of what you believe in.

[kirklancaster]

Good article by Dan Hodges (a Labour supporter for the record) on this today

Over 150 pages, it painstakingly detailed how Corbyn had spent two years as a member of a closed Facebook group called Palestine Live. The group was a veritable cesspit of anti-Semitism, containing vast numbers of racist posts and links ranging from Holocaust denial, through Zionist conspiracy theories and 9/11 conspiracy theories, to descriptions of Jews as ‘Zios’, ‘ZioNazi’ and ‘JewNazi’.

Collier’s research revealed Corbyn had engaged with the group, had been lauded by its members, and had organised meetings at the Commons for members via the site. In response, Corbyn’s office claimed he had been added to the group without his knowledge or consent.

When it was pointed out he had posted on the site, they backtracked and claimed he had only responded to individual posts in which he’d been mentioned. Then it was pointed out he had in fact ‘favoured’ various pieces of general content. At which point Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell appeared on television to claim Corbyn had left the group as soon as its vile nature had been brought to his attention.

Unfortunately, Corbyn himself had already undermined that defence, admitting he had only left the site when he was elected Labour leader. So his office finally fell back on the line that he had not personally seen or engaged with any anti-Semitic content directly.

At this point the reaction was instantaneous and savage. An instantaneous and savage silence.

From Labour’s Shadow Cabinet there was silence. From Labour MPs there was silence. From the Tory Party there was silence. On the main broadcast bulletins there was silence. On the front pages of the national newspapers there was silence. Across the nation. Silence. It’s important to repeat again what had occurred. The leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition admitted to being a member of what by any objective definition is a Facebook group of unremitting anti-Semitic hatred. He admitted to engaging with that group, of organising meetings on behalf of that group, and of remaining a member of that group for two full years.

And yet there is nothing. No internal challenge or repudiation. No external challenge or repudiation. Just a collective shrug.

Full article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5485917/DAN-HODGES-Corbyn-anit-Semetic-pals-smashed-moral-compass.html

:clap1: Brilliantly informative and reinforces what some of us already know - that Corbyn is anti-Semitic through and through.

[Brillopad]

:clap1: Brilliantly informative and reinforces what some of us already know - that Corbyn is anti-Semitic through and through.

And that his defenders will continue to defend him no matter what. Evidence is not the issue any more - agendas are.

[Kizzy]

Let's look at some more evidence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24343074

This is antisemetism at it's worst, the panic that we might actually have a Jewish PM!!

Here is all manner of abusive language...

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zopCIgYCCzkJ:https://www.unitetheunion.org/uploaded/documents/(JN7434)%2520A4%2520Tory%2520Racism%2520Brochure%2 520SIN11-26629.pdf+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

And here's a summation..

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/observations/2017/01/anti-semitism-right-wing-problem

[Crimson Dynamo]

Let's look at some more evidence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24343074

This is antisemetism at it's worst, the panic that we might actually have a Jewish PM!!

Here is all manner of abusive language...

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:zopCIgYCCzkJ:https://www.unitetheunion.org/uploaded/documents/(JN7434)%2520A4%2520Tory%2520Racism%2520Brochure%2 520SIN11-26629.pdf+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

And here's a summation..

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/observations/2017/01/anti-semitism-right-wing-problem

again

you are trying to move the debate away from Corbyn's hatred of the jews by linking to articles about antisemitism

make another thread about that, stick to the subject here

[Kizzy]

again

you are trying to move the debate away from Corbyn's hatred of the jews by linking to articles about antisemitism

make another thread about that, stick to the subject here

Here then..

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-labour-conference-jewish-supporter-vote-political-weapon-a7330891.html

[Kizzy]

A representative YouGov poll carried out in May 2016 found that Labour voters were no more likely than voters from other parties to express antisemitic attitudes, with UKIP voters demonstrating the highest levels of antisemitism.179 As outlined earlier in this report, a survey of British Jewish people found that almost half of respondents felt that the Green Party is too tolerant of antisemitism (compared with 87% in relation to the Labour Party), 43% think the same of UKIP, 40% of the SNP, and over a third in relation to the Liberal Democrats.180

122.Other political parties have not been immune to accusations of antisemitism, albeit apparently with a smaller number of reported incidents, and with a lower profile. In April 2015, a Conservative candidate for Derby Council was expelled from her Party after she said she would never support “the Jew” Ed Miliband.181 In August 2014, the University College London (UCL) Union investigated the university’s Conservative Society after it was accused of creating a “toxic environment”, with one member reported to have said “Jews own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough”. Media reports suggest that the incident was never investigated by the Conservative Party,182 but it is unclear whether it was ever referred to the Party, and questions have subsequently been raised about the veracity of the complaint.

123.A former Conservative Councillor who defected to the Liberal Democrats after losing his seat, Matthew Gordon Banks, was suspended from his new Party in September after writing on Twitter that “[Tim] Farron’s leadership campaign was organised and funded by London Jews”, adding in a second tweet: “I tried to work with them. Very difficult.”183 The former Liberal Democrat MP David Ward has been accused of antisemitism on several occasions. He was suspended from his Party after accusing “the Jews” of committing atrocities in Palestine,184 and later sent the following tweet: “The big question is–if I lived in #Gaza would I fire a rocket?–probably yes”.185 Baroness Tonge, who now sits in the House of Lords as an independent Liberal Democrat, resigned the Party whip in 2012 after refusing to apologise for saying that “Israel is not going to be there forever”, and has recently attracted fresh criticism for sharing an article that suggested that “Jewish power” was targeting the Labour Party.186 At this year’s autumn conference, the Liberal Democrat Friends of Palestine group was asked to remove Facebook posts that quoted the statement: “The Jews as victim. Always the Jews, only the Jews.” SNP MSP Sandra White apologised “unreservedly” in November 2015 after tweeting an antisemitic image of six piglets (representing the UK and others) suckling at a sow with the word “Rothschild” and the Star of David on it.187 Incidents involving other forms of racism, including Islamophobia, have also affected a number of mainstream parties.

124.Soon after this inquiry was announced, we invited the then Prime Minister, David Cameron, to give oral evidence as Leader of the Conservative Party. On the date in June when he was scheduled to attend, the events leading up to his resignation had been set in motion, and he wrote to the then Committee Chair apologising and stating that he was unable to attend. Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP, the newly-appointed Chairman of the Conservative Party, provided a detailed written submission in early August, and indicated that he would have been happy to give further oral evidence to us.188 We later invited the new Prime Minister on several occasions to give evidence to us in October, but received no formal response until the morning of the scheduled evidence session, when Sir Eric Pickles MP, the UK Special Envoy for Post-Holocaust Issues and former Party Chairman, was nominated to attend as a representative of the Conservative Party.

125.It is very disappointing that the Conservative Party procrastinated for so long, and that both the Leader and Chairman of the Party declined to give evidence on this vital issue, but we are very grateful to Sir Eric for stepping in at the last minute, and value his extensive experience in these matters. He told us that the Conservative Party had had problems (with racism) in the late 1960s, but had learned lessons from this and recognised that it “must have a no tolerance policy with regard to any form of racism”.189 When challenged about the incident at UCL, of which he was unaware, he apologised and said that, on the face of it, the Party should have investigated it; although, as previously mentioned, there is some dispute over the veracity of the complaint itself. Sir Eric denied that he had intended to suggest in his evidence that the Conservative Party was alone in having no ongoing problems with antisemitism among its members, stating that antisemitism is “one of the oldest, most nasty, most evil of all the sins”; that it “comes back”; and that “to suggest for a millisecond that I believe that the Conservative party is free of antisemitism would be a complete bastardisation of what I have just said”

As I said smoke and mirrors, one finger points and there a 3 pointing straight back at as seen here 3 other parties.


http://www.publications.parliament.u...e-006-backlink

[jaxie]

Sorry to keep quoting this article but I do think it nails it:

What the hell is happening to us? How have we managed to fall this far? The ethical framework that surrounds our politics has morphed into a grotesque, sickening parody. Place a hand on a knee – you’re gone. Fiddle expenses – you’re gone. Tweet an inanity about someone’s breasts – you’re gone. Watch pornography – actually deny watching pornography – you’re still gone. But engage with an overtly racist Facebook group – something that would get you sacked from any other workplace in the country – and you can carry on, no questions asked. Potentially all the way to No 10.
...

For how much longer are we meant to suspend disbelief? Corbyn’s ten-year association with Holocaust denier Paul Eisen? ‘I didn’t know,’ he claimed, his office saying he opposed Eisen’s views. His association with anti-Semite Sheikh Raed Salah? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semite Reverend Stephen Sizer? ‘I didn’t know.’ His association with anti-Semites within Palestine Live? ‘I didn’t know.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5485917/DAN-HODGES-Corbyn-anit-Semetic-pals-smashed-moral-compass.html#ixzz59TY7KG3y

I think the smoothing the way for Corbyn regardless of all the worrying signals to be disturbing. Is it Labour at any cost these days?

[Crimson Dynamo]

A representative YouGov poll carried out in May 2016 found that Labour voters were no more likely than voters from other parties to express antisemitic attitudes, with UKIP voters demonstrating the highest levels of antisemitism.179 As outlined earlier in this report, a survey of British Jewish people found that almost half of respondents felt that the Green Party is too tolerant of antisemitism (compared with 87% in relation to the Labour Party), 43% think the same of UKIP, 40% of the SNP, and over a third in relation to the Liberal Democrats.180

122.Other political parties have not been immune to accusations of antisemitism, albeit apparently with a smaller number of reported incidents, and with a lower profile. In April 2015, a Conservative candidate for Derby Council was expelled from her Party after she said she would never support “the Jew” Ed Miliband.181 In August 2014, the University College London (UCL) Union investigated the university’s Conservative Society after it was accused of creating a “toxic environment”, with one member reported to have said “Jews own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough”. Media reports suggest that the incident was never investigated by the Conservative Party,182 but it is unclear whether it was ever referred to the Party, and questions have subsequently been raised about the veracity of the complaint.

123.A former Conservative Councillor who defected to the Liberal Democrats after losing his seat, Matthew Gordon Banks, was suspended from his new Party in September after writing on Twitter that “[Tim] Farron’s leadership campaign was organised and funded by London Jews”, adding in a second tweet: “I tried to work with them. Very difficult.”183 The former Liberal Democrat MP David Ward has been accused of antisemitism on several occasions. He was suspended from his Party after accusing “the Jews” of committing atrocities in Palestine,184 and later sent the following tweet: “The big question is–if I lived in #Gaza would I fire a rocket?–probably yes”.185 Baroness Tonge, who now sits in the House of Lords as an independent Liberal Democrat, resigned the Party whip in 2012 after refusing to apologise for saying that “Israel is not going to be there forever”, and has recently attracted fresh criticism for sharing an article that suggested that “Jewish power” was targeting the Labour Party.186 At this year’s autumn conference, the Liberal Democrat Friends of Palestine group was asked to remove Facebook posts that quoted the statement: “The Jews as victim. Always the Jews, only the Jews.” SNP MSP Sandra White apologised “unreservedly” in November 2015 after tweeting an antisemitic image of six piglets (representing the UK and others) suckling at a sow with the word “Rothschild” and the Star of David on it.187 Incidents involving other forms of racism, including Islamophobia, have also affected a number of mainstream parties.

124.Soon after this inquiry was announced, we invited the then Prime Minister, David Cameron, to give oral evidence as Leader of the Conservative Party. On the date in June when he was scheduled to attend, the events leading up to his resignation had been set in motion, and he wrote to the then Committee Chair apologising and stating that he was unable to attend. Rt Hon Patrick McLoughlin MP, the newly-appointed Chairman of the Conservative Party, provided a detailed written submission in early August, and indicated that he would have been happy to give further oral evidence to us.188 We later invited the new Prime Minister on several occasions to give evidence to us in October, but received no formal response until the morning of the scheduled evidence session, when Sir Eric Pickles MP, the UK Special Envoy for Post-Holocaust Issues and former Party Chairman, was nominated to attend as a representative of the Conservative Party.

125.It is very disappointing that the Conservative Party procrastinated for so long, and that both the Leader and Chairman of the Party declined to give evidence on this vital issue, but we are very grateful to Sir Eric for stepping in at the last minute, and value his extensive experience in these matters. He told us that the Conservative Party had had problems (with racism) in the late 1960s, but had learned lessons from this and recognised that it “must have a no tolerance policy with regard to any form of racism”.189 When challenged about the incident at UCL, of which he was unaware, he apologised and said that, on the face of it, the Party should have investigated it; although, as previously mentioned, there is some dispute over the veracity of the complaint itself. Sir Eric denied that he had intended to suggest in his evidence that the Conservative Party was alone in having no ongoing problems with antisemitism among its members, stating that antisemitism is “one of the oldest, most nasty, most evil of all the sins”; that it “comes back”; and that “to suggest for a millisecond that I believe that the Conservative party is free of antisemitism would be a complete bastardisation of what I have just said”

As I said smoke and mirrors, one finger points and there a 3 pointing straight back at as seen here 3 other parties.


http://www.publications.parliament.u...e-006-backlink

again you are just saying "yeah but never mind Corbyn look at this"


NO this is about Corbyn. Stop deflecting

[Kizzy]

'The *report, by an influential parliamentary committee, stated that “the majority of antisemitic abuse and crime” comes from the far right. And that there is “no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other political party”.

After very briefly mentioning the report, the segment appeared to entirely ignore it. Out of the six people featured during the sequence, Sky News chose five that claimed Labour has a problem with antisemitism. Of those five, three explicitly linked antisemitism to Corbyn. Sky News spotlighted those comments unchallenged, despite the report and the Labour leader’s long history of anti-racism campaigning.'

For example, one interviewee said:

I think they are frankly more concerned about Jeremy Corbyn than they are about Ken Livingstone.

* https://www.publications.parliament....ff/136/136.pdf

http://www.thecanary.co/2017/04/09/a...fantasy-video/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here then..

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-anti-semitism-labour-conference-jewish-supporter-vote-political-weapon-a7330891.html

So some anecdotal "evidence" from a card carrying labour corbyn supporter?

really?

[Kizzy]

again you are just saying "yeah but never mind Corbyn look at this"


NO this is about Corbyn. Stop deflecting

okish

[Kizzy]

So some anecdotal "evidence" from a card carrying labour corbyn supporter?

really?

The accusations against him come from one ... so what's the issue?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The accusations against him come from one ... so what's the issue?

the accusations are from a multitude of sources and come in many shapes and sizes

[kirklancaster]

the accusations are from a multitude of sources and come in many shapes and sizes

:clap1::clap1::clap1: A 'Multitude' is the apt word L.T.

[DemolitionRed]

So some anecdotal "evidence" from a card carrying labour corbyn supporter?

really?

So you want to ignore everything Kizzy has just cited because it belittles the agenda put forth in this discussion?

What Kizzy has just posted is absolutely crucial to a debate like this. Attempting to shut her down is ridiculous.

[DemolitionRed]

the accusations are from a multitude of sources and come in many shapes and sizes

A multitude of Right wing card carrying Corbyn assassins.

[Northern Monkey]

Jeremy Corbyn slammed by Labour MPs for criticising removal of anti-Semitic mural
Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised by his own MPs over his apparent support for an anti-Semitic mural on a street in east London.

The mural, made by street artist Mear One, depicted a group of Jewish financiers and white businessmen playing a Monopoly-style game on a board balanced on the backs of people.


Included in the portrait, which was removed by Tower Hamlets Council after a number of complaints were made, also included an activist holding a banner which read: "The new world order is the enemy of humanity".

Mr Corbyn left a comment on a Facebook post by Mear One, real name Kalen Ockerman, in 2012 after the artist revealed his work was set to be whitewashed.
The Labour MP wrote: "Why? You are in good company.

"Rockerfeller (sic) destroyed Diego Viera's mural because it includes a picture of Lenin."

Mr Corbyn's response to the post was highlighted by Labour MP Luciana Berger, who said she had asked the party leader's office for an explanation on Friday.
In a statement, a spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: "In 2012, Jeremy was responding to concerns about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech.

"However, the mural was offensive, used anti-Semitic imagery, which has no place in our society, and it is right that it was removed."

But hours later, Mr Corbyn released another statement, which read: "In 2012 I made a general comment about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech. My comment referred to the destruction of the mural Man at the Crossroads by Diego Rivera on the Rockefeller Center.

"That is in no way comparable with the mural in the original post. I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-slammed-by-labour-mps-for-criticising-removal-of-anti-semitic-mural-11301595

[DemolitionRed]

Jeremy Corbyn slammed by Labour MPs for criticising removal of anti-Semitic mural
Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised by his own MPs over his apparent support for an anti-Semitic mural on a street in east London.

The mural, made by street artist Mear One, depicted a group of Jewish financiers and white businessmen playing a Monopoly-style game on a board balanced on the backs of people.


Included in the portrait, which was removed by Tower Hamlets Council after a number of complaints were made, also included an activist holding a banner which read: "The new world order is the enemy of humanity".

Mr Corbyn left a comment on a Facebook post by Mear One, real name Kalen Ockerman, in 2012 after the artist revealed his work was set to be whitewashed.
The Labour MP wrote: "Why? You are in good company.

"Rockerfeller (sic) destroyed Diego Viera's mural because it includes a picture of Lenin."

Mr Corbyn's response to the post was highlighted by Labour MP Luciana Berger, who said she had asked the party leader's office for an explanation on Friday.
In a statement, a spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: "In 2012, Jeremy was responding to concerns about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech.

"However, the mural was offensive, used anti-Semitic imagery, which has no place in our society, and it is right that it was removed."

But hours later, Mr Corbyn released another statement, which read: "In 2012 I made a general comment about the removal of public art on grounds of freedom of speech. My comment referred to the destruction of the mural Man at the Crossroads by Diego Rivera on the Rockefeller Center.

"That is in no way comparable with the mural in the original post. I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-slammed-by-labour-mps-for-criticising-removal-of-anti-semitic-mural-11301595

But its different if its Muslims. In a Charlie Hebdo thread you clearly lost your rag when Muslims said they were offended by some of the images that depicted Muhammad.

You said "Well fortunately Europe is not Saudi Arabia and artistic freedom is(sopposedly) one of the things which seperates us from these oppressive regimes. Just because Muslims don't want it printed does'nt mean it should not be. They can feck off to a nice Islamic dictatorship if they can't handle it."

[Crimson Dynamo]

A multitude of Right wing card carrying Corbyn assassins.

even if so, makes you wonder what type of man would have so many detractors

not one who would make a good pm, for sure

[kirklancaster]

But its different if its Muslims. In a Charlie Hebdo thread you clearly lost your rag when Muslims said they were offended by some of the images that depicted Muhammad.

You said "Well fortunately Europe is not Saudi Arabia and artistic freedom is(sopposedly) one of the things which seperates us from these oppressive regimes. Just because Muslims don't want it printed does'nt mean it should not be. They can feck off to a nice Islamic dictatorship if they can't handle it."

:shrug: These two subjects have absolutely NOTHING in common and are incomparable in the context of what you are trying to imply Red.

Devout or Extreme or Fundamentalist Muslims can be understood when they object to cartoons which depict their God (though the reaction of the murdering nutjobs in Paris can NEVER be justified) but in Paul's quoted post, we are talking about CORBYN - a possible FUTURE Prime Minister of this country - SUPPORTING and ENCOURAGING a VILE ANTI-SEMITIC when ALL the time Corbyn has denied being anti-Semitic.

The fact that Paul's post illustrates only one FURTHER example of cowardly Corbyn's duplicity and not the ONLY example compounds his UNSUITABILITY to even be LEADER of THE LABOUR PARTY let alone Prime Minister.

[kirklancaster]

even if so, makes you wonder what type of man would have so many detractors

not one who would make a good pm, for sure

A GREAT percentage of the Labour Party DETEST Corbyn and all he stands for but are too FEARFUL to come out of the shadow to voice their opposition to him, so not ALL 'assassins' of Corbyn are 'Card-Carrying Right Wing'.

The anonymous ones are all too probably Labour Party Members who are just waiting for Corbyn's bully boy protectors to lose 'MOMENTUM' (see what I did there?: hehe:) before 'standing up to be counted'..

[DemolitionRed]

:shrug: These two subjects have absolutely NOTHING in common and are incomparable in the context of what you are trying to imply Red.

Devout or Extreme or Fundamentalist Muslims can be understood when they object to cartoons which depict their God (though the reaction of the murdering nutjobs in Paris can NEVER be justified) but in Paul's quoted post, we are talking about CORBYN - a possible FUTURE Prime Minister of this country - SUPPORTING and ENCOURAGING a VILE ANTI-SEMITIC when ALL the time Corbyn has denied being anti-Semitic.

The fact that Paul's post illustrates only one FURTHER example of cowardly Corbyn's duplicity and not the ONLY example compounds his UNSUITABILITY to even be LEADER of THE LABOUR PARTY let alone Prime Minister.

I strongly disagree. Those depictions of a Muslim prophet offended perfectly innocent Muslim people and not just war mongering Jihadists. Its no different than satanizing Jesus and expecting devout Christians not to be offended.

I happen to agree with that graffiti picture being removed as I can see clearly why it could be offensive but you can't have one rule for one faith and another for a different faith. Well you can but its hypocritical.

Corbyn doesn't support anti-semitism. No doubt he's anti-Zionist but that's understandable.

[Kizzy]

So you want to ignore everything Kizzy has just cited because it belittles the agenda put forth in this discussion?

What Kizzy has just posted is absolutely crucial to a debate like this. Attempting to shut her down is ridiculous.

Ah I get the impression LT is only interested in rousing the 'have pitchfork will travel' mob.... I'm out :laugh:

[Kizzy]

A GREAT percentage of the Labour Party DETEST Corbyn and all he stands for but are too FEARFUL to come out of the shadow to voice their opposition to him, so not ALL 'assassins' of Corbyn are 'Card-Carrying Right Wing'.

The anonymous ones are all too probably Labour Party Members who are just waiting for Corbyn's bully boy protectors to lose 'MOMENTUM' (see what I did there?: hehe:) before 'standing up to be counted'..

Like Jon Lansman Momentum founder...You do know he's Jewish don't you?

[Northern Monkey]

But its different if its Muslims. In a Charlie Hebdo thread you clearly lost your rag when Muslims said they were offended by some of the images that depicted Muhammad.

You said "Well fortunately Europe is not Saudi Arabia and artistic freedom is(sopposedly) one of the things which seperates us from these oppressive regimes. Just because Muslims don't want it printed does'nt mean it should not be. They can feck off to a nice Islamic dictatorship if they can't handle it.":joker: Nice try
But
Firstly.I offered no opinion on this article.Just posted a news article.So no need for the defensive ‘but but you said’ just yet.

However here’s my opinion.
I have no problem with any religion being mocked.I enjoyed Life Of Brian and i think any religion should be free to be mocked or criticised.Funny we don’t see a Life Of Brian-esque comedy on Islam.Probably for fear of a Charlie Hebdo 2.0.Which is very telling in itself.
This cartoon from the description wasn’t just mocking religion or even its prophet.
It was Specifically targeting Jewish people and a long held stereotype.If it was just the religion that was being mocked then i don’t think it would’ve even made the news.

[MTVN]

Corbyn’s personal support for an anti-Semitic cartoon is just one of several times he has actively defended anti-Semites. There was the letter Corbyn wrote in defence of Stephen Sizer, who shared anti-Semitic material linking Jews and Israel to the 9/11 attacks. Corbyn blamed Sizer’s anti-Semitic postings on a “technical oversight” and implied “certain individuals” were targeting him.

Then there was Paul Eisen, the infamous self-professed Holocaust denier who wrote:

“I question that there ever existed homicidal gas-chambers… Deny the Holocaust! For my money, a child of six can see that something’s not right about the Holocaust narrative… For me, “Holocaust Denier” is a label I accept.”

Corbyn admitted supporting Eisen’s Deir Yassen Remembered group. Many mainstream Palestinians view the group as anti-Semitic and riddled with Holocaust deniers. The group included Gill Kaffash, a former Labour councillor and associate of Corbyn for many years. She once told an Iranian news agency that the Holocaust needed to be “further examined to uncover the truth”. Corbyn said he couldn’t remember if he had donated money to Eisen and Kaffash’s campaign. Eisen said he did donate. This is Corbyn at a meeting held by the organisation in 2013. Corbyn was associated with the group for 10 years

Sheikh Raed Salah was found by a British judge to have used the blood libel. He was sentenced to eight months in prison in Israel for inciting anti-Jewish racism. Corbyn called Salah “a very honoured citizen” and invited him for tea on the terrace in parliament

In October 2014 Corbyn wrote an article for the Morning Star admitting he attended a wreath-laying ceremony at the grave of a Palestinian terrorist who carried out the Munich massacre. Corbyn wrote that wreaths were laid “on the graves of others killed by Mossad agents in Paris”. Atef Bseiso was the PLO head of intelligence and was one of the Palestinian terrorists who was involved in Munich. Bseiso was shot dead by Israeli agents in Paris. The Sunday Times sent a reporter to the graveyard of the “martyrs” that Corbyn visited. Bseiso is buried there.

https://order-order.com/2018/03/24/corbyn-personally-supported-multiple-anti-semites/


No doubt all just smears and unfortunate coincidences though

[jet]

No doubt all just smears and unfortunate coincidences though

Isn't it always? :rolleyes:

Post something pro - Corbyn, and it'll be the gospel according to Saint Dionysius, the patron Saint of Truth.

[Vicky.]

OK MTVN I have read your dossier thing and have done a pretty quick about turn on this topic :laugh:

Just been reading Rod Liddles piece in the Sunday times too, which I thought might fit here (with sharetoken as times is paywalled)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nothing-proves-jeremy-corbyn-is-anti-semitic-just-everything-he-says-anddoes-sh0n23hg0?shareToken=af852b89b79b6e1e0a18f22783d11 523

I don't tend to agree with Liddle on much at all. But I do think he has this pretty spot on.

[DemolitionRed]

OK MTVN I have read your dossier thing and have done a pretty quick about turn on this topic :laugh:

Just been reading Rod Liddles piece in the Sunday times too, which I thought might fit here (with sharetoken as times is paywalled)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nothing-proves-jeremy-corbyn-is-anti-semitic-just-everything-he-says-anddoes-sh0n23hg0?shareToken=af852b89b79b6e1e0a18f22783d11 523

I don't tend to agree with Liddle on much at all. But I do think he has this pretty spot on.

Rod Liddle, the author of this link is the same man who wrote an online comment on a Millwall fan forum. He said "Its ****ing outrageous that you can't smoke in Auschwitz. I had to sneak round the back of the gas chambers for a crafty snout. Also, I wasn't convinced by the newish Auschwitz Burger Bar and Grill."

Sorry, I only read as far as "even the Muslims in Tower Hamlets thought this was pushing it a bit" to know this is a completely bias article directed at bringing Corbyn, the man who sacked him, down.

"He has called the genocidal racists of Hamas and Hezbollah his "friends", for example. He could not bring himself even to meet the Israeli prime minister last year (which must have really disappointed Benjamin Netanyahu), and a recent Labour Party fact-finding tour to Israel disdained to meet any Israeli politicians who don't want to give their country over to the Palestinians first thing Monday morning.
Corbyn and the Momentum monkeys will undoubtedly argue that this is an anti-Zionist stance, not anti-semitic, per se. But then these lefties might ask themselves why it is Israel, of all the countries in the world, that so obsesses them, that so nurtures their hatred? Is it the only place where nasty things happen? Are there no other countries that might be the focus of their deranged and unrelenting wrath?"

What a load of nonsense. Why Israel? Because Israel is systematically stealing land and displacing Muslims onto a spit of land whilst the West continue to arm them and hold their hand; that's why. The apartheid in Israel is at least as bad if not worse than the apartheid that happened in Africa… that's why some of us, including many, many Jewish people refuse to support Zionism. Corbyn is anti-Zionist. I'm anti-Zionist. Many, many Jewish people are anti-Zionist. This has got nothing whatsoever to do with anti-Semitism and everything to do with anti-Zionism. If it was anti Semitism, that would make a large population of Jewish people anti-Semetic too which is ridiculous. Why should it only be the anti-Zionist Jews who can speak out about this terrible atrocity?

Here's what Human Rights Watch report. I expect Liddle would acuse them of being anti-Semitic too! https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/israel/palestine

[DemolitionRed]

There are more Jews in the Labour Party than in the Conservative party. The only difference between them is, the Conservative party don't have any anti-Zionist members.

[Kizzy]

OK MTVN I have read your dossier thing and have done a pretty quick about turn on this topic :laugh:

Just been reading Rod Liddles piece in the Sunday times too, which I thought might fit here (with sharetoken as times is paywalled)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nothing-proves-jeremy-corbyn-is-anti-semitic-just-everything-he-says-anddoes-sh0n23hg0?shareToken=af852b89b79b6e1e0a18f22783d11 523

I don't tend to agree with Liddle on much at all. But I do think he has this pretty spot on.

'Corbyn and the Momentum monkeys will undoubtedly argue that this is an anti-Zionist stance, not anti-semitic, per se. But then these lefties'

I stopped reading here... If the times can't remain respectful of the opposition then how can they crow of others disrespect?

They are also a mahoosive part of the establishment and act in their own interest.

[Vicky.]

Everything I have read of Liddle has the same kind of tone to it.

[Kizzy]

:shrug: These two subjects have absolutely NOTHING in common and are incomparable in the context of what you are trying to imply Red.

Devout or Extreme or Fundamentalist Muslims can be understood when they object to cartoons which depict their God (though the reaction of the murdering nutjobs in Paris can NEVER be justified) but in Paul's quoted post, we are talking about CORBYN - a possible FUTURE Prime Minister of this country - SUPPORTING and ENCOURAGING a VILE ANTI-SEMITIC when ALL the time Corbyn has denied being anti-Semitic.

The fact that Paul's post illustrates only one FURTHER example of cowardly Corbyn's duplicity and not the ONLY example compounds his UNSUITABILITY to even be LEADER of THE LABOUR PARTY let alone Prime Minister.

You are aware he hadn't seen the mural prior to it's removal?
By the way did you notice the word scrawled across it prior to the removal?...

In the interest of art the artist thankfully recreated the piece in 2016, with slight changes to the appearance of the bankers.

[Twosugars]

Jewish leaders have called for a show of solidarity outside parliament on Monday evening to warn the Labour leadership that “enough is enough”, after Jeremy Corbyn was engulfed in a fresh antisemitism row.

The Jewish Board of Deputies and the Jewish Leadership Council issued what they described as a “call to action” on Sunday, announcing they would be delivering a letter to the parliamentary Labour party before its regular weekly meeting on Monday.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/25/senior-labour-figures-defend-corbyn-row-antisemitic-mural

[DemolitionRed]

There is a lot of Jewish support for Corbyn. Its just well hidden because they are being prevented from being a voice.

Here's a voice

Why I am an anti-Zionist Jew

Operation Protective Edge, in which over 1900 Palestinians and nearly 70 Israelis have now been killed, is just the most recent, inevitable consequence of a brutal, militaristically-advanced settler-colonial occupation encroaching on the lives and lands of a subjugated people – using a 30-foot wall, settlements, missiles, tanks and the withholding of basic human necessities to perpetrate continued domination. This form of militarism is not specific to Israel – the Islamic State, the treatment of Native Americans in the USA, and South African apartheid bear comparison - but that doesn't make it any more defensible.

While today a majority of observing Jews identify with the state of Israel, there is both a growing and visible minority of anti- and non-Zionist Jews, and a rich history of anti-Zionism within Judaism. Political movements like The Jewish Labour Bund (https://972mag.com/israel-hands-out-demolition-notices-to-entire-bedouin-village/133997/) and thinkers such as Abraham Serfaty, Emma Goldman (http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-on-zionism) and Leon Trotsky (https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1940/xx/jewish.htm) are often ignored or dismissed as “self-hating traitors”. In the UK today groups like Jews for Justice for Palestinians, Jewdas (http://jewdas.org), Young Jewish Left and the International Jewish Anti-Zionist network are active voices against the occupation.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/transformation/ray-filar/why-i-am-antizionist-jew.

And another
7m_SXXxZv3w

[MTVN]

There is a lot of Jewish support for Corbyn. Its just well hidden because they are being prevented from being a voice.

Here's a voice

Why I am an anti-Zionist Jew

Operation Protective Edge, in which over 1900 Palestinians and nearly 70 Israelis have now been killed, is just the most recent, inevitable consequence of a brutal, militaristically-advanced settler-colonial occupation encroaching on the lives and lands of a subjugated people – using a 30-foot wall, settlements, missiles, tanks and the withholding of basic human necessities to perpetrate continued domination. This form of militarism is not specific to Israel – the Islamic State, the treatment of Native Americans in the USA, and South African apartheid bear comparison - but that doesn't make it any more defensible.

While today a majority of observing Jews identify with the state of Israel, there is both a growing and visible minority of anti- and non-Zionist Jews, and a rich history of anti-Zionism within Judaism. Political movements like The Jewish Labour Bund (https://972mag.com/israel-hands-out-demolition-notices-to-entire-bedouin-village/133997/) and thinkers such as Abraham Serfaty, Emma Goldman (http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-on-zionism) and Leon Trotsky (https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1940/xx/jewish.htm) are often ignored or dismissed as “self-hating traitors”. In the UK today groups like Jews for Justice for Palestinians, Jewdas (http://jewdas.org), Young Jewish Left and the International Jewish Anti-Zionist network are active voices against the occupation.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/transformation/ray-filar/why-i-am-antizionist-jew.

And another
7m_SXXxZv3w

This is akin to the 'some of my best friends are black' racist defence though, it doesn't mean that there is not an anti-Semitism problem in Labour

It says a lot that Corbyn has had to issue a grovelling apology about it because there has finally been a big enough backlash

[Kizzy]

Backlash for what... What exactly did he do again? Talk about a storm in a teacup.

[waterhog]

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/labour-start-disciplinary-action-over-antisemitic-posts-on-secret-facebook-group-joined-by-corbyn-1.460197

Corbyn was member of secret Facebook group spouting antisemetic hate. Disciplinary action started. Comes as no surprise to me as there has been considerable mention of Labour members’ antisemitism.

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/my-jeremy-corbyn-dilemma-1.460305



not sure I I have all facts on this story but seen the pic of them playing monopoly. omg powerful and fantastic art work.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh dear

Jezza and his jewish hating views are the lead item on the main news channels this morning...


:idc:

[jaxie]

Yeah there has been a lot more on this in the news over the last two days. Yesterday Corbyn released an apology. Why apologise if there hasn't been any wrong? And today Jewish groups have launched a scathing attack on him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jeremy Corbyn branded 'hostile' by Jewish leaders as Labour anti-Semitism row deepens

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/25/00/44AAA2BA00000578-4915924-image-a-51_1506297058995.jpg

Jeremy Corbyn has been accused by Jewish leaders of holding “conspiratorial views” about their community and treating them like a “hostile entity”.

The Board of Deputies and the Jewish Leadership Council, two of the most senior Jewish groups in Britain, will on Monday take the unprecedented step of holding a protest against Mr Corbyn in Parliament Square.

They will tell Mr Corbyn that “enough is enough” and hand him a letter in which they accuse him of siding with anti-Semites “time and time again”.

Mr Corbyn on Sunday admitted that Labour has a problem with “pockets of anti-Semitism” but declined to apologise for comments that appeared to defend the artist of an anti-Semitic mural.

He also claimed that he would be meeting with leaders from the Jewish community, although the Jewish Leadership Council and Board of Deputies said they had not received an invitation.

The Jewish Leadership Council said it was the first demonstration by Jewish leaders against the leader of a mainstream political party since at least the Second World War.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/03/25/jeremy-corbyn-branded-hostile-jewish-leaders-labour-anti-semitism/

[bots]

Yeah there has been a lot more on this in the news over the last two days. Yesterday Corbyn released an apology. Why apologise if there hasn't been any wrong? And today Jewish groups have launched a scathing attack on him.

That's just it isn't it. There was an investigation done, and the lady who did it got a peerage for finding that there was no anti Semitic issues in the labour party. There have been countless denials from Corbyn that there was an issue. There has been evidence that Corbyn himself partook in some of the anti Semitic rhetoric, all previously denied by him .... and now he comes out with an apology? The funny thing is that others in social media say one wrong word and they are hounded for it .... but not saint Jeremy, who has lived the life of an angel his entire working life.

[DemolitionRed]

Backlash for what... What exactly did he do again? Talk about a storm in a teacup.

Its interesting reading the angry responses in The Independent Kizzy. People know the Tory's are the 'Nasty Party' and this bonfire they are building before the elections is a last ditch attempt to get rid of someone they see as a real threat.

Edited to say: Anyone who dislikes Corbyn are going to embrace and revel in this attack.

[DemolitionRed]

A statement from Jewish Labour members on the current attacks on Jeremy Corbyn

We are Jews in the Labour Party currently actively campaigning for Labour in local elections. We are appalled by the actions and statements of the Board of Deputies. They do not represent us or the many Jews in the Party who share Jeremy Corbyn’s vision for social justice and fairness. Jeremy’s consistent commitment to anti-racism is all the more needed now.

As the British people call time on May and the Tories, they are getting more desperate. We would hope that any organisation claiming to represent Jews would be calling them to account when, to cite two examples in the last two months, the Prime Minister‘s ex Chief of Staff uses a national newspaper to dredge up an antisemitic conspiracy theory, and Havering Conservative party issues a dogwhistle leaflet hoping to mobilise racism in their local election campaign. The Board of Deputies has been silent on both. It also says nothing on the global rise of the far right and the toxic anti-immigrant rhetoric of the tabloid press, despite the imperative from Jewish history to speak out against racism and fascism.

The Board of Deputies and those supporting them must be aware that this is an attempt to influence local elections and has nothing to do with the real and necessary task of challenging racism and anti-semitism at all levels of political life. We call on them to stop playing politics and start representing what our community needs. We believe that is best represented by the politics we fight for and hope to see win on May 3rd.

Signed

Jenny Mason and Leah Levane co-chairs of JVL, on behalf of Jewish Voice for Labour

Jewish Socialist Group

Sue Lukes Labour council candidate, Islington North CLP

Joseph Finlay Enfield Southgate CLP

Lev Taylor Camberwell and Peckham CLP

Stephen Marks Oxford District Labour Party

Richard Kuper Holborn & St Pancras CLP

Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi, Chingford and Woodford Green CLP

Cllr Mike Howard Hastings & Rye CLP

Glyn Secker

Dave Rosenberg Islington North CLP Convenor Cable Street 80

Julia Bard Islington North CLP

Ian Saville, Brent Central CLP

Lara Johnson. Bracknell CLP

Ivor Dembina Vauxhall CLP

Pam Laurance, Brent Central CLP

Pauline Laurance, Finchley and Golders Green CLP

Miriam Yagud Stroud CLP

Miri Franklin

Dorothy Macedo Worthing West CLP

Alice Bondi, Penrith and the Border CLP

Sue Hughes Hornsey & Wood Green. CLP

Angie Mindel Nottingham East CLP

Paul Halas Stroud CLP

Ruth Appleton, Holborn & St Pancras CLP

Susan Pashkoff, Leyton and Wanstead CLP

http://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/jvl/a-jvl-statement-on-the-current-attacks-on-jeremy-corbyn/

[DemolitionRed]

40% of Tory members have been found to agree with at least some anti-Semitic statements, so where is the media outrage about this?

One of the reasons I like Corbyn is, he's not the 'nasty party' but he needs to start getting a bit more vindictive because there's so much he could throw back at the Tory's

[Crimson Dynamo]

40% of Tory members have been found to agree with at least some anti-Semitic statements, so where is the media outrage about this?

One of the reasons I like Corbyn is, he's not the 'nasty party' but he needs to start getting a bit more vindictive because there's so much he could throw back at the Tory's

link?

and childish name calling like you are doing "the nasty party" is not really in keeping with what you long for ie the "serious debate" now is it?

[Nicky91]

#Corbyn4PM please Make UK love Russia again



Theresa May for strictly, Anton needs a flop celeb for this year i suppose :hehe:

[MTVN]

Jeremy Corbyn has been active in one anti-Semitic Facebook group. He was a member of a second anti-Semitic Facebook group until last week. And now Guido can reveal he personally joined and is still a member of a third Facebook group filled with extremely anti-Semitic content.

The difference with the other groups is that Corbyn personally and actively joined “The Labour Party Supporter”. He was not added by anybody else. “The Labour Party Supporter” is full of anti-Semitic postings about the Rothschilds, Jews harvesting organs, the Holocaust and conspiracy theories linking Israel and ISIS. Corbyn remains a member of the group this morning.

Corbyn cannot use the excuse that he was added by someone else and didn’t know about it. He decided the group was something he wanted to join, and something he wanted to remain a member of to this very day, despite the huge amount of anti-Semitic material posted in the group for years. Does anyone believe his line that with the mural, the Facebook groups and everything else, he simply didn’t notice the anti-Semitism?

https://i1.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/group-2.png?w=540&ssl=1

https://order-order.com/2018/03/26/corbyn-personally-joined-third-anti-semitic-facebook-group/

[jaxie]

#Corbyn4PM please Make UK love Russia again



Theresa May for strictly, Anton needs a flop celeb for this year i suppose :hehe:

Um Russia performed a chemical attack on our country. Let's not be flippant about it.

Its interesting reading the angry responses in The Independent Kizzy. People know the Tory's are the 'Nasty Party' and this bonfire they are building before the elections is a last ditch attempt to get rid of someone they see as a real threat.

Edited to say: Anyone who dislikes Corbyn are going to embrace and revel in this attack.

One of the things I find quite disturbing on all this is the complete denial by some people. Even the most ardent supporter should be looking at this and thinking, well is there a problem here rather than desperately trying to attack and blame the opposition. There is loyalty and then there is blind faith.

[jaxie]

Jeremy Corbyn has been active in one anti-Semitic Facebook group. He was a member of a second anti-Semitic Facebook group until last week. And now Guido can reveal he personally joined and is still a member of a third Facebook group filled with extremely anti-Semitic content.

The difference with the other groups is that Corbyn personally and actively joined “The Labour Party Supporter”. He was not added by anybody else. “The Labour Party Supporter” is full of anti-Semitic postings about the Rothschilds, Jews harvesting organs, the Holocaust and conspiracy theories linking Israel and ISIS. Corbyn remains a member of the group this morning.

Corbyn cannot use the excuse that he was added by someone else and didn’t know about it. He decided the group was something he wanted to join, and something he wanted to remain a member of to this very day, despite the huge amount of anti-Semitic material posted in the group for years. Does anyone believe his line that with the mural, the Facebook groups and everything else, he simply didn’t notice the anti-Semitism?

https://i1.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/group-2.png?w=540&ssl=1

https://order-order.com/2018/03/26/corbyn-personally-joined-third-anti-semitic-facebook-group/

That pig is absolutely vile imagery. Were I Labour I'd want to be as far away from that sort of thing as possible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is bang to rights here

[Kizzy]

I see this for what it is the last ditch attempt by an establishment to rid it of someone.

End of, no amount of omigodicantbelieveyoujustsaidthat will change that.
The govt is in turmoil so something massive had to be found, this is it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see this for what it is the last ditch attempt by an establishment to rid it of someone.

End of, no amount of omigodicantbelieveyoujustsaidthat will change that.
The govt is in turmoil so something massive had to be found, this is it.

Kizzy, everything you post is just "its a big conspiracy" by the ruling elite

:shrug:

Its your basic line of defense for everything. You have backed a loser here and you will have to come to terms with this?

[DemolitionRed]

I see this for what it is the last ditch attempt by an establishment to rid it of someone.

End of, no amount of omigodicantbelieveyoujustsaidthat will change that.
The govt is in turmoil so something massive had to be found, this is it.

:clap1:

[TomToWin]

Jeremy Corbyn= racist old man.

[DemolitionRed]

And why now? Why now is stuff being dug up from years ago.

The only thing that I'm angry with Corbyn about is his and his teams stubbornness to dish the same dirt back at the Tory party. We can do it but its to a minute audience. What the **** is wrong with Labour that they won't do this?

Hopefully the Russians are going to let something big out of the bag about May. They've said they will.

[jet]

Um Russia performed a chemical attack on our country. Let's not be flippant about it.



One of the things I find quite disturbing on all this is the complete denial by some people. Even the most ardent supporter should be looking at this and thinking, well is there a problem here rather than desperately trying to attack and blame the opposition. There is loyalty and then there is blind faith.

I find the blind faith and denial about this and other issues concerning Corbyn is becoming too far - fetched now. Nobody can be that blinkered. Is it really denial or is it a not too well - concealed secret agreement of his actions?

[DemolitionRed]

I find the blind faith and denial about this and other issues concerning Corbyn is becoming too far - fetched now. Nobody can be that blinkered. Is it really denial or is it a not too well - concealed secret agreement of his actions?

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.

[jet]

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.

I have blind faith in what?

[Kizzy]

Kizzy, everything you post is just "its a big conspiracy" by the ruling elite

:shrug:

Its your basic line of defense for everything. You have backed a loser here and you will have to come to terms with this?

ok

[jet]

I see this for what it is the last ditch attempt by an establishment to rid it of someone.

End of, no amount of omigodicantbelieveyoujustsaidthat will change that.
The govt is in turmoil so something massive had to be found, this is it.

It wasn't that long ago that Corbynites like yourself where saying that the more he is targeted, the more his support grows and the more likely he is to win.
So which is it?
You should be delighted surely?

[TomToWin]

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.

The bitter old racist wont even be in the labour party by the time an election comes round.

He is finished, nail down that coffin and call the balaclava clad IRA gun salute.

[Kizzy]

It wasn't that long ago that Corbynites like yourself where saying that the more he is targeted, the more his support grows and the more likely he is to win.
So which is it?
You should be delighted surely?

At the moment I'm just hoping he doesn't step down.

[Vicky.]

At the moment I'm just hoping he doesn't step down.

I am hoping he does tbh. And this time last year I saw him as the countries saviour. Total turnaround in a very short space of time D:

However, no idea who should replace him if he does. the whole party seems to have gone to ****.

[jet]

At the moment I'm just hoping he doesn't step down.

I wish he would and take Abbott and McDonnell with him.
The terrorist arse - licking Trio.

[Brillopad]

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.

There are plenty who would not vote for Corbyn and his ridiculous policies who are not right wing. To suggest otherwise is total denial. But if you say it enough times ...

[jaxie]

I am hoping he does tbh. And this time last year I saw him as the countries saviour. Total turnaround in a very short space of time D:

However, no idea who should replace him if he does. the whole party seems to have gone to ****.

I kind of like Hilary Benn, even though he and I don't agree on the EU. He has a lot more charisma than Jeremy and seems less extreme. Hilary seems somehow genuine where Jeremy feels like he is hiding who he really is to get into the job. I think I could possibly vote for Hilary at this point, though maybe not until after Brexit as I don't trust Labour on Brexit at all.

[DemolitionRed]

A dossier on racism within the Tory party

The cases include Tory elected representatives using racist abuse like “*****”, “pikies”, and “piccaninnies” – as well as several anti-semitic or Islamophobic remarks. But most appear to have been allowed to continue their membership and even to represent the Conservative Party.

A Brief Chronology

In January 2015 a former aide to both Margaret Thatcher and John Major described the Conservative Party as “essentially racist”. Just last month lifetime Tory voter and Daily Mail
columnist Peter Oborne described Zac Goldsmith’s Islamophobic London mayoral campaign as the “most repulsive I have ever seen”

https://www.unitetheunion.org/uploaded/documents/(JN7434)%20A4%20Tory%20Racism%20Brochure%20SIN11-26629.pdf

In 1989, David Cameron defied international sanctions to go on a jolly to apartheid South Africa1 on a trip funded by a firm that lobbied against the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime.

In a 2002 column for the Daily Telegraph, Boris Johnson (then MP for Henley) described black people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon smiles”.

While editor of The Spectator, then Tory MP Boris Johnson published an article that said “blacks have lower IQs”. Another article from around the same time said that Caribbeans were "multiplying like flies"

In February 2009, Bolton Conservative councillor Bob Allen posted a picture of a gorilla alongside a critical comment about an Asian Labour councillor on a blog

In March 2009, Leicestershire Tory councillor Robert Fraser said that Romanians would "stick a knife in you as soon as look at you", as well as insulting East Europeans and the Irish, saying “Some of these European ones, they make the Irish look like complete amateurs and I would dread, I would dread, to see them in Groby

In November 2009, Tory MP for Spelthorne, David Wilshire, said the expose of MPs expenses left them treated like Jews in Nazi Germany, stating “Branding a whole group of people as undesirables led to Hitler’s gas chambers”

In January 2010, Tory councillor for Colne, Smith Benson, complained that there were “too many P***s” in his town. Council Leader Tony Beckett refused to discipline him and said, “I think for the Labour Party to say he should be sacked for making a sweeping statement is a bit strong.”

In January 2011, Baroness Warsi gave a speech about rising Islamophobia. Tory Lord Tebbit wrote a blog dismissing her case and saying “a period of silence from the Baroness might not come amiss.”

In August 2011, Tory Dover councillor Bob Frost described people involved in the riots as
“jungle bunnies”.

In December 2011, Tory MP for Cannock Chase, Aidan Burley, helped organise a Nazi-themed stag party.

In January 2013, an Enfield Tory councillor Chris Joannides compared Muslim children to black bin bags in a Facebook post.

In April 2013, Tory councillor for West Sussex, John Cherry, told the Mail on Sunday, "Ninety-seven per cent of pupils will be black or Asian. It depends what type of Asian. If they're Chinese they'll rise to the top. If they're Indian they'll rise to the top. If they're Pakistani they won't,”

In April 2014, a Tory Barnet councillor, Tom Davey, was accused of being not fit for office, after a Facebook post came to light in which he suggested it might be easier to find a job if he were “a black female wheelchair-bound amputee who is sexually attracted to other women”.
No disciplinary action was taken by the Conservative Party.

In May 2014, David Bishop, a Tory council candidate in Brentwood, Essex, tweeted "It's good to be anti-Islam” and called Islam “the religion of peace & rape”

In May 2014, Tory Coulsdon activist Stephen Lees tweeted “Every single Muslim should be expelled from this country – not deported – expelled, and every mosque demolished.

In August 2014 UCL Conservative Society was under scrutiny for a series of anti-semitic, Islamophobic and racist remarks, fostering a culture of discrimination and bullying, and creating a “toxic” environment. One comment included, “Jews own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough”

In October 2014, Maidenhead Tory councillor Alan Mellins suggested complained about Travellers and said the solution was to “Execute them.”

In January 2015, a Conservative councillor for Bishop’s Stortford was accused of anti-semitism for a tweet and condemned by Tory MP Robert Halfon as “abhorrent” and “unacceptable”

In April 2015, a Tory candidate for Derby Council, Gulzabeen Afsar, said she would never support “the Jew” in reference to Ed Miliband.

In October 2015, a Tory councillor in Rugby, Jim Buckley, tweeted re: Sadiq Khan,
“Your next London Mayor? You think his corner shop would be open on a Saturday?

In February 2016, Glasgow Tory councillor David Meikle accused the SNP of anti-semitism for opposing the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land

In March 2016, the deputy provost of South Ayrshire Council, Tory councillor Mary Kilpatrick backed attacks on fasting during Ramadan and calls to outlaw Muslim veils.

Boris Johnson, Tory MP and current Mayor of London, wrote in an article for The Sun in April 2016, that asserted that US president Barack Obama had an “ancestral dislike” of Britain, and described him as “part-Kenyan”.

In April 2016, Fareham Tory councillor David Whittingham mimicked foreign accents, said he didn’t want foreigners living in his road and made comments and behaviour that were “racist in nature”

In April 2016, the deputy chairman of Bradford Conservative Association, Abdul Zaman, made inappropriate comments about Jews and women while speaking at a launch event for the local election campaign.

[jaxie]

This thread isn't about the Tory party, start one if you want to have a rant. :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

A dossier on racism within the Tory party

The cases include Tory elected representatives using racist abuse like “*****”, “pikies”, and “piccaninnies” – as well as several anti-semitic or Islamophobic remarks. But most appear to have been allowed to continue their membership and even to represent the Conservative Party.

A Brief Chronology

In January 2015 a former aide to both Margaret Thatcher and John Major described the Conservative Party as “essentially racist”. Just last month lifetime Tory voter and Daily Mail
columnist Peter Oborne described Zac Goldsmith’s Islamophobic London mayoral campaign as the “most repulsive I have ever seen”

https://www.unitetheunion.org/uploaded/documents/(JN7434)%20A4%20Tory%20Racism%20Brochure%20SIN11-26629.pdf

In 1989, David Cameron defied international sanctions to go on a jolly to apartheid South Africa1 on a trip funded by a firm that lobbied against the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime.

In a 2002 column for the Daily Telegraph, Boris Johnson (then MP for Henley) described black people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon smiles”.

While editor of The Spectator, then Tory MP Boris Johnson published an article that said “blacks have lower IQs”. Another article from around the same time said that Caribbeans were "multiplying like flies"

In February 2009, Bolton Conservative councillor Bob Allen posted a picture of a gorilla alongside a critical comment about an Asian Labour councillor on a blog

In March 2009, Leicestershire Tory councillor Robert Fraser said that Romanians would "stick a knife in you as soon as look at you", as well as insulting East Europeans and the Irish, saying “Some of these European ones, they make the Irish look like complete amateurs and I would dread, I would dread, to see them in Groby

In November 2009, Tory MP for Spelthorne, David Wilshire, said the expose of MPs expenses left them treated like Jews in Nazi Germany, stating “Branding a whole group of people as undesirables led to Hitler’s gas chambers”

In January 2010, Tory councillor for Colne, Smith Benson, complained that there were “too many P***s” in his town. Council Leader Tony Beckett refused to discipline him and said, “I think for the Labour Party to say he should be sacked for making a sweeping statement is a bit strong.”

In January 2011, Baroness Warsi gave a speech about rising Islamophobia. Tory Lord Tebbit wrote a blog dismissing her case and saying “a period of silence from the Baroness might not come amiss.”

In August 2011, Tory Dover councillor Bob Frost described people involved in the riots as
“jungle bunnies”.

In December 2011, Tory MP for Cannock Chase, Aidan Burley, helped organise a Nazi-themed stag party.

In January 2013, an Enfield Tory councillor Chris Joannides compared Muslim children to black bin bags in a Facebook post.

In April 2013, Tory councillor for West Sussex, John Cherry, told the Mail on Sunday, "Ninety-seven per cent of pupils will be black or Asian. It depends what type of Asian. If they're Chinese they'll rise to the top. If they're Indian they'll rise to the top. If they're Pakistani they won't,”

In April 2014, a Tory Barnet councillor, Tom Davey, was accused of being not fit for office, after a Facebook post came to light in which he suggested it might be easier to find a job if he were “a black female wheelchair-bound amputee who is sexually attracted to other women”.
No disciplinary action was taken by the Conservative Party.

In May 2014, David Bishop, a Tory council candidate in Brentwood, Essex, tweeted "It's good to be anti-Islam” and called Islam “the religion of peace & rape”

In May 2014, Tory Coulsdon activist Stephen Lees tweeted “Every single Muslim should be expelled from this country – not deported – expelled, and every mosque demolished.

In August 2014 UCL Conservative Society was under scrutiny for a series of anti-semitic, Islamophobic and racist remarks, fostering a culture of discrimination and bullying, and creating a “toxic” environment. One comment included, “Jews own everything, we all know it’s true. I wish I was Jewish, but my nose isn’t long enough”

In October 2014, Maidenhead Tory councillor Alan Mellins suggested complained about Travellers and said the solution was to “Execute them.”

In January 2015, a Conservative councillor for Bishop’s Stortford was accused of anti-semitism for a tweet and condemned by Tory MP Robert Halfon as “abhorrent” and “unacceptable”

In April 2015, a Tory candidate for Derby Council, Gulzabeen Afsar, said she would never support “the Jew” in reference to Ed Miliband.

In October 2015, a Tory councillor in Rugby, Jim Buckley, tweeted re: Sadiq Khan,
“Your next London Mayor? You think his corner shop would be open on a Saturday?

In February 2016, Glasgow Tory councillor David Meikle accused the SNP of anti-semitism for opposing the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land

In March 2016, the deputy provost of South Ayrshire Council, Tory councillor Mary Kilpatrick backed attacks on fasting during Ramadan and calls to outlaw Muslim veils.

Boris Johnson, Tory MP and current Mayor of London, wrote in an article for The Sun in April 2016, that asserted that US president Barack Obama had an “ancestral dislike” of Britain, and described him as “part-Kenyan”.

In April 2016, Fareham Tory councillor David Whittingham mimicked foreign accents, said he didn’t want foreigners living in his road and made comments and behaviour that were “racist in nature”

In April 2016, the deputy chairman of Bradford Conservative Association, Abdul Zaman, made inappropriate comments about Jews and women while speaking at a launch event for the local election campaign.



Please stay on the thread topic

Silly "yeah but look at XYZ they are worser" tactics and not wanted and are transparent for all to see.

[DemolitionRed]

This thread is about the Tory party trying to bring down the Labour Party. It has everything to do with the link and you know what. If you want to understand anything about anything, learn both sides of the story.

Or are you not interested in racist remarks made by the Tories?!?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jesus wept

[bots]

This thread is about the Tory party trying to bring down the Labour Party. It has everything to do with the link and you know what. If you want to understand anything about anything, learn both sides of the story.

Or are you not interested in racist remarks made by the Tories?!?

this thread is about the anti-Semitic nature of the labour party. Please keep on topic

[DemolitionRed]

this thread is about the anti-Semitic nature of the labour party. Please keep on topic

Did you even read the link? The anti-Semitic remarks made by the Tory's. Do they not count? are they somehow to be protected?

[Vicky.]

I kind of like Hilary Benn, even though he and I don't agree on the EU. He has a lot more charisma than Jeremy and seems less extreme. Hilary seems somehow genuine where Jeremy feels like he is hiding who he really is to get into the job. I think I could possibly vote for Hilary at this point, though maybe not until after Brexit as I don't trust Labour on Brexit at all.

I don't know much of Benn, but what I do know, he seems pretty decent.

I actually said at one stage that I would quite like jess Phillips, but the replies to that kind of proved she would never get the votes :laugh:

With the whole Brexit thing, surely everything will be in motion and pretty much sorted by the time of the next election?

[Twosugars]

It does look like a concerted campaign to undermine Corbyn. Just sayin'.
As long as he's got support of Jewish members of Labour he's ok.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It does look like a concerted campaign to undermine Corbyn. Just sayin'.
As long as he's got support of Jewish members of Labour he's ok.

to what end?

he isnt in power, no where near it and probably will retire soon

[Nicky91]

Um Russia performed a chemical attack on our country. Let's not be flippant about it.



they didn't :oh:

[Vicky.]

they didn't :oh:

I think at this stage its pretty clear that it was Russia.

What I do think was possibly premature was blaming Putin.

I think there is a (small) chance it was not actually government sanctioned. And even a small chance should have stopped the (IMO) very premature finger pointing that we had going on.

Of course the biggest chance was that it was government sanctioned. But I think the response was possibly too hasty, especially considering that Putin is a crazy son of a bitch and could just declare war D:

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/26/09/4A909A0100000578-5543157-image-a-1_1522054231861.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/26/10/4A90B30400000578-5543157-image-a-3_1522055440613.jpg

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/26/10/4A90B30A00000578-5543157-image-a-4_1522055478924.jpg

[Nicky91]

I think at this stage its pretty clear that it was Russia.

What I do think was possibly premature was blaming Putin.

I think there is a (small) chance it was not actually government sanctioned. And even a small chance should have stopped the (IMO) very premature finger pointing that we had going on.

Of course the biggest chance was that it was government sanctioned. But I think the response was possibly too hasty, especially considering that Putin is a crazy son of a bitch and could just declare war D:

Putin said it wasn't them, if it was a military strike the ex spy would've been instantly killed

it is probably just a amateurish terrorist ;)

[Vicky.]

I hate Wes Streeting with a passion. It was him that made the facebook group that was there simply to stalk women and threaten them, and my name was on the list of people to abuse. He should have been deselected over that tbh but nothing was done.

/offtopic I know

[Vicky.]

Putin said it wasn't them, if it was a military strike the ex spy would've been instantly killed

it is probably just a amateurish terrorist ;)

1. If it was Putin, he would hardly admit it
2. If it was Russia but not Putin, Putin would not know about it so he cannot possibly say it was not Russia.

Yes I do agree, if it was just about killing the guy, it would likely have been done in a different way IMO.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hate Wes Streeting with a passion. It was him that made the facebook group that was there simply to stalk women and threaten them, and my name was on the list of people to abuse. He should have been deselected over that tbh but nothing was done.

/offtopic I know

https://feweek.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Wes-Streeting.jpg
Vote Labour..

[Twosugars]

lots of people are going to jump on this to get rid of Corbyn
the key is to address the antisemitism issue.
the problem for Corbyn is he seems enthusiastic about social media but quite naive when using it himself
he is also strongly pro-Palestine, but surely it is possible to be pro-Palestine without being antisemite?

[Kizzy]

This thread isn't about the Tory party, start one if you want to have a rant. :shrug:

I say it has relevance in this rant...

[Kizzy]

I would go as far as to say some of these 'standing up' are noting but blair stooges.

It's obvious to me :/

[jet]

This thread is about the Tory party trying to bring down the Labour Party. It has everything to do with the link and you know what. If you want to understand anything about anything, learn both sides of the story.

Or are you not interested in racist remarks made by the Tories?!?

No it isn't.
Where is your evidence that the Corbyn anti semitism claims are the work of the Torys? Produce it please...

[Vicky.]

I would go as far as to say some of these 'standing up' are noting but blair stooges.

It's obvious to me :/

Like it or not though, many Labour MPs and voters/members too are 'Blair stooges'. Blair had control of Labour for a long time so obviously a lot will be more centre than left. If all 'Blair stooges' are eliminated from the party, Labour would never have any chance at all tbh. I am not sure its wise to be alienating people in this way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No it isn't.
Where is your evidence that the Corbyn anti semitism claims are the work of the Torys? Produce it please...

You may have to wait a bit as she is off trying to find a link to back up

"40% of Tory members have been found to agree with at least some anti-Semitic statements"

from 2 pages back

[Twosugars]

Like it or not though, many Labour MPs and voters/members too are 'Blair stooges'. Blair had control of Labour for a long time so obviously a lot will be more centre than left. If all 'Blair stooges' are eliminated from the party, Labour would never have any chance at all tbh. I am not sure its wise to be alienating people in this way.

true

[Vicky.]

I do think its partly smears tbh. Making huge fuss out of nothing kind of thing. However, so many little things seem to be adding up and its getting impossible to write off as just smears and exaggerations. Thats not to say I believe 100% of it, I do think some of it is blown up and maybe taken out of context. It IS entirely possible to be part of a facebook group where members express unsavoury views without noticing those members, same as its possible to comment on a facebook post without reading all of the replies before your post. But, the dossier thing MTVN posted seems pretty damning IMO. And again, it does seem to be many small things adding up to a larger picture, if that makes sense.

[jaxie]

Did you even read the link? The anti-Semitic remarks made by the Tory's. Do they not count? are they somehow to be protected?

That's just paranoia. :shrug: Start a new thread if you want to talk about random out of context remarks by Tories.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I do think its partly smears tbh. Making huge fuss out of nothing kind of thing. However, so many little things seem to be adding up and its getting impossible to write off as just smears and exaggerations. Thats not to say I believe 100% of it, I do think some of it is blown up and maybe taken out of context. It IS entirely possible to be part of a facebook group where members express unsavoury views without noticing those members, same as its possible to comment on a facebook post without reading all of the replies before your post. But, the dossier thing MTVN posted seems pretty damning IMO. And again, it does seem to be many small things adding up to a larger picture, if that makes sense.

To what end?

I cant see the average punter being that bothered if he hates jews/israel (no disrespect intended to jews) but they would be like "yeah so?"

This wont budge anyone in the locals coming up. The Government are way to busy with Brexit and Russia and running the economy.

Its not realistic

[Kizzy]

Like it or not though, many Labour MPs and voters/members too are 'Blair stooges'. Blair had control of Labour for a long time so obviously a lot will be more centre than left. If all 'Blair stooges' are eliminated from the party, Labour would never have any chance at all tbh. I am not sure its wise to be alienating people in this way.

I don't think they have the party or the countries best interest at heart, otherwise why is it always when there is a tory catastrophe they insist on these diversionary tactics?... Every time the party should be unified in outing the conservatives for their corrupt dirty dealings you can bet your bottom dollar that one someone from within labour will find something to take public attention from the issue...

Angela Eagle, Chuka Umunna, Luciana Berger, Tony Blair, Stephen Kinnock, Wes Streeting, Ben Bradshaw... Why?

My local MP is Rachael Reeves.... she's been virtually silent on issues that are rife within my community since the Labour leadership changed. :/

[Kizzy]

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17 minutes in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

sp8Odde6zBs

17 minutes in.

Thanks for posting this, it just goes to illustrate how hilarious the defense line is "he glanced at the picture but did not look at it as (wait for it) he is a busy man"
:joker:

she even looked embarrassed saying it


pathetic

[Kizzy]

Where was the uproar from these Labour members when Ed Milliband was receiving Antisemitic abuse from the mainstream media?... where?

Where is the outrage at Islamophobia?... They are Semites too :/

This is collusion, a witchhunt...pure subterfuge

[jet]

Thanks for posting this, it just goes to illustrate how hilarious the defense line is "he glanced at the picture but did not look at it as (wait for it) he is a busy man"
:joker:

she even looked embarrassed saying it


pathetic

He also 'just glanced at without taking them in' the anti semitic posts on the facebooks that he previously said he didn't know he was on...
He doesn't know or notice a lot, does he? See no evil, hear no evil, I'm just a bit of a dope....yeah right. Hilarious excuses...

[Kizzy]

He also 'just glanced at without taking them in' the anti semitic posts on the facebooks that he previously said he didn't know he was on...
He doesn't know or notice a lot, does he? See no evil, hear no evil, I'm just a bit of a dope....yeah right. Hilarious excuses...

How rude, How would you respond to her suggestion that it is a far right issue antisemitism not a left wing problem.

How are we tacking to rise of the far right in the UK, by making sure heads are firmly turned the other way?

[TomToWin]

Thanks for posting this, it just goes to illustrate how hilarious the defense line is "he glanced at the picture but did not look at it as (wait for it) he is a busy man"
:joker:

she even looked embarrassed saying it


pathetic



Not busy enough to stop him trawling random twitter pictures and replying to them.


Seriously, this man has no shame,backbone or an honest bone in his body.

[Kizzy]

Not busy enough to stop him trawling random twitter pictures and replying to them.


Seriously, this man has no shame,backbone or an honest bone in his body.

I reported your avtar...

[jaxie]

I reported your avtar...

Is the difference between his and yours that huge though Kizzy? And is his a genuine picture or doctored?

[jet]

How rude, How would you respond to her suggestion that it is a far right issue antisemitism not a left wing problem.

How are we tacking to rise of the far right in the UK, by making sure heads are firmly turned the other way?

A Labour Corbyn supporter isn't impartial.
I'll just copy your style when you respond to me about his IRA sympathies and say:

Corbyn is anti - semitic. End of.

How does that medicine taste, Kizzy?

[Beso]

The defence of corbyn is like me standing up for tommy robinson

[Kizzy]

Is the difference between his and yours that huge though Kizzy? And is his a genuine picture or doctored?

I had a picture like that as my sig for a while, it was david cameron appearing to give a salute during a party political broadcast. Livia reported it and it was removed.

[Kizzy]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2018/mar/26/martin-rowson-labour-jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-row-cartoon

The Guardian cartoon is telling.....rivers of bile.

[Kizzy]

'A number of Conservative MPs were also present, including cabinet ministers Sajid Javid and Penny Mordaunt.'

I've seen an interview with norman tebbit there too... urging people that if they are disillusioned to not vote labour in may.

I am going to suggest seriously that this is exploitation... the conservatives if not directly instrumental have engineered a furore, not for the benefit of the Jewish community. For their own ends.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-antisemitism-jeremy-corbyn-protest-parliament-square-israel-palestine-jewish-a8274996.html

[Kizzy]

Thinking about it in more depth... Who commissioned this, who saw the image and thought ooh yes that's lovely let's pick a wall!

There's a vid of the construction, time lapsed... did nobody notice then it was offensive?

[AnnieK]

The problem is for me though Kizzy, however this has surfaced its a big enough issue for JC to comment and moreso apologise so there is a fundamental problem within the party.

However, it appears from the info DR posted, there are also issues to be faced within the Government too, not just the opposition.

So, for me in this instance, the fact that the information has surfaced hopefully forcing both parties to clean up this mess can only be a good thing.

Burying this and saying it is exploitation from one party to another doesn't solve what is a clear and apparent problem across both main parties.

[kirklancaster]

The bitter old racist wont even be in the labour party by the time an election comes round.

He is finished, nail down that coffin and call the balaclava clad IRA gun salute.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: I sincerely believe that too. He CANNOT survive all this.

[Kizzy]

The problem is for me though Kizzy, however this has surfaced its a big enough issue for JC to comment and moreso apologise so there is a fundamental problem within the party.

However, it appears from the info DR posted, there are also issues to be faced within the Government too, not just the opposition.

So, for me in this instance, the fact that the information has surfaced hopefully forcing both parties to clean up this mess can only be a good thing.

Burying this and saying it is exploitation from one party to another doesn't solve what is a clear and apparent problem across both main parties.

Thanks Annie I posted similar info too, I wasn't trying any redirection it just helps to maintain balance.

Considering the protests he didn't have a choice did he? Any and all criticism have been addressed with acknowledgements and reports.

My worry is if he is forced to accept personal responsibility for the actions of others is as usually happens in those instances he will be forced to step down.

[Kizzy]

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[kirklancaster]

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.

The fact that 'The majority of people can see this for what it is' is THE very reason why Corbyn will NOT win a General Election, AND - as I will wager - will NOT even be Leader of The Labour Party when the General Election comes around.

And 'What it is' that they 'see' is irrefutable FACT after FACT after FACT surfacing about Corbyn's abhorrent Marxist, anti-Semitic, Terrorist Sympathetic, and anti-British TRUE character.

The motivation of the people/organisations who are furnishing those facts is NOT important to the 'majority' of people in this country because IT IS ONLY THOSE IRREFUTABLE FACTS themselves which MATTER to them and THIS purely because the man who those facts pertain to is the Leader of The Labour Party who has DESPERATE aspirations to become the next Prime Minister of Her Majesty's Government.

From repeated 'Tea On The Terrace' with Terrorist after Terrorist to his membership of multiple anti-Semitic extremist organisations and his gushing eulogies for various TERRORISTS, DEAD and ALIVE ones, Corbyn has exposed himself for what he is - NOT what he claims to be, and THAT person is DEFINITELY NOT the type of person that the 'majority of people' in this country WANT to see heading a Government.

My problem is; that while the 'majority' of us accept that all THE EVIDENCE of all these damning facts which are now being revealed about Comrade Jeremy (when ADDED to his own well-documented actions and speeches in favour and support of terrorist and other highly 'DUBIOUS' organisations) are ENOUGH to INDICT Corbyn - the more extreme and fanatical Corbyn supporters WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT THERE IS EVEN A 'PRIMA FACIE' CASE.

And THAT is dangerously worrying when such a refusal FLIES IN THE FACE OF ALL THE EVIDENCE.

[MTVN]

And why now? Why now is stuff being dug up from years ago.

The only thing that I'm angry with Corbyn about is his and his teams stubbornness to dish the same dirt back at the Tory party. We can do it but its to a minute audience. What the **** is wrong with Labour that they won't do this?

Hopefully the Russians are going to let something big out of the bag about May. They've said they will.

Why now? People have been taking about this for years, ever since Corbyn came onto the public radar. Some of these things have only just come to light but a lot of it has been available for anyone to see. Any time someone has tried to point it out they have been shut down or dismissed. People have lost patience with that hence the slogan of today's protest - enough is enough

[Livia]

So Corbyn has finally accepted that Labour has a big problem with anti-Semitism. It took him long enough. And there are STILL people saying it's all a plot against him! Seriously... if you can't see that there is a problem within the Labour party with anti-Semitism, especially now, when Corbyn himself has made a grovelling apology (too late and too little) then you are a part of the problem. Every time this has been brought up in the past the same Labour supporters have told us to move along, nothing to see here, it's all a whitewash. Well, now you know.

[TomToWin]

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.

The fact that 'The majority of people can see this for what it is' is THE very reason why Corbyn will NOT win a General Election, AND - as I will wager - will NOT even be Leader of The Labour Party when the General Election comes around.

And 'What it is' that they 'see' is irrefutable FACT after FACT after FACT surfacing about Corbyn's abhorrent Marxist, anti-Semitic, Terrorist Sympathetic, and anti-British TRUE character.

The motivation of the people/organisations who are furnishing those facts is NOT important to the 'majority' of people in this country because IT IS ONLY THOSE IRREFUTABLE FACTS themselves which MATTER to them and THIS purely because the man who those facts pertain to is the Leader of The Labour Party who has DESPERATE aspirations to become the next Prime Minister of Her Majesty's Government.

From repeated 'Tea On The Terrace' with Terrorist after Terrorist to his membership of multiple anti-Semitic extremist organisations and his gushing eulogies for various TERRORISTS, DEAD and ALIVE ones, Corbyn has exposed himself for what he is - NOT what he claims to be, and THAT person is DEFINITELY NOT the type of person that the 'majority of people' in this country WANT to see heading a Government.

My problem is; that while the 'majority' of us accept that all THE EVIDENCE of all these damning facts which are now being revealed about Comrade Jeremy (when ADDED to his own well-documented actions and speeches in favour and support of terrorist and other highly 'DUBIOUS' organisations) are ENOUGH to INDICT Corbyn - the more extreme and fanatical Corbyn supporters WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT THERE IS EVEN A 'PRIMA FACIE' CASE.

And THAT is dangerously worrying when such a refusal FLIES IN THE FACE OF ALL THE EVIDENCE.

:thumbs:

[Livia]

:thumbs:

What is it then, Tom? What is this, in your mind?

[bots]

i think Corbyn had dealt his PM prospects a fatal blow.

Let's rewind a bit. First he had someone do an investigation, that comes back with a clean bill of health, then he flatly denies there is antisemitism in the labour party, then he is found to be in anti Semitic face book groups, now, he says labour has a problem with antisemitism and apologised. So, it's only after extreme pressure that he has admitted guilt. He also has various terrorist connections that he has yet failed to explain

He is finished.

[jet]

So Corbyn has finally accepted that Labour has a big problem with anti-Semitism. It took him long enough. And there are STILL people saying it's all a plot against him! Seriously... if you can't see that there is a problem within the Labour party with anti-Semitism, especially now, when Corbyn himself has made a grovelling apology (too late and too little) then you are a part of the problem. Every time this has been brought up in the past the same Labour supporters have told us to move along, nothing to see here, it's all a whitewash. Well, now you know.

Well said Livia. He had ample time to sort it out and he did nothing, now he's forced to make the grovelling apology one wonders how sincere it is.

The giveaway was his tweet about the mural and when confronted he said "I should have studied it properly"!! What study needed to be done?!
The message in the mural was as clear as bloody day, if he couldn't grasp its intent in one glance he's one or both of two things - a liar or a moron, take your pick - and what other disastrous 'mistakes' could he make as a PM. Literally unbelievable.

[Nicky91]

Corbyn has no chance anymore at becoming PM i think


but why change, i think Theresa is doing a good job tbh

[Brillopad]

i think Corbyn had dealt his PM prospects a fatal blow.

Let's rewind a bit. First he had someone do an investigation, that comes back with a clean bill of health, then he flatly denies there is antisemitism in the labour party, then he is found to be in anti Semitic face book groups, now, he says labour has a problem with antisemitism and apologised. So, it's only after extreme pressure that he has admitted guilt. He also has various terrorist connections that he has yet failed to explain

He is finished.

Agreed - he is!

[jet]

Oh come on, you have blind faith. You put 2 and 2 together and come up with 6 if it suits your agenda.

Anyway, I still think Corbyn will win the election because the majority of people (minus the right wing) can see this for what it is.

The fact that 'The majority of people can see this for what it is' is THE very reason why Corbyn will NOT win a General Election, AND - as I will wager - will NOT even be Leader of The Labour Party when the General Election comes around.

And 'What it is' that they 'see' is irrefutable FACT after FACT after FACT surfacing about Corbyn's abhorrent Marxist, anti-Semitic, Terrorist Sympathetic, and anti-British TRUE character.

The motivation of the people/organisations who are furnishing those facts is NOT important to the 'majority' of people in this country because IT IS ONLY THOSE IRREFUTABLE FACTS themselves which MATTER to them and THIS purely because the man who those facts pertain to is the Leader of The Labour Party who has DESPERATE aspirations to become the next Prime Minister of Her Majesty's Government.

From repeated 'Tea On The Terrace' with Terrorist after Terrorist to his membership of multiple anti-Semitic extremist organisations and his gushing eulogies for various TERRORISTS, DEAD and ALIVE ones, Corbyn has exposed himself for what he is - NOT what he claims to be, and THAT person is DEFINITELY NOT the type of person that the 'majority of people' in this country WANT to see heading a Government.

My problem is; that while the 'majority' of us accept that all THE EVIDENCE of all these damning facts which are now being revealed about Comrade Jeremy (when ADDED to his own well-documented actions and speeches in favour and support of terrorist and other highly 'DUBIOUS' organisations) are ENOUGH to INDICT Corbyn - the more extreme and fanatical Corbyn supporters WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT THERE IS EVEN A 'PRIMA FACIE' CASE.

And THAT is dangerously worrying when such a refusal FLIES IN THE FACE OF ALL THE EVIDENCE.

:clap1: Well said Kirk!

[Kizzy]

If it takes expulsions to make the communities affected and supporters take his admonishments seriously then that is what must be done.... My view is this can't go on as a stick to beat corbyn with, again for me I think many who really don't care a fig for either group are exploiting this issue for political ends and that is exploitative and wrong.


From 17 mins in...
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[Kizzy]

Joseph Finlay is the former deputy editor of the Jewish Quarterly and co-founder of a range of grassroots Jewish organisations. On 26 March, he penned a piece for the UK partner of The Times of Israel entitled Jeremy Corbyn is an anti-racist, not an anti-semite.

Finlay writes that, like every good story, it starts with a grain of truth. Among Labour’s half a million members lies a small minority of people who hold antisemitic views. But this truth, he writes, was turned into “a dark guilt-by association sub-plot” with the cynical “grand finale” we should all have expected:


https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/03/27/the-bogus-antisemitism-smear-against-jeremy-corbyn-was-just-debunked-in-the-times-of-israel/

[jet]

Joseph Finlay is the former deputy editor of the Jewish Quarterly and co-founder of a range of grassroots Jewish organisations. On 26 March, he penned a piece for the UK partner of The Times of Israel entitled Jeremy Corbyn is an anti-racist, not an anti-semite.

Finlay writes that, like every good story, it starts with a grain of truth. Among Labour’s half a million members lies a small minority of people who hold antisemitic views. But this truth, he writes, was turned into “a dark guilt-by association sub-plot” with the cynical “grand finale” we should all have expected:


https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/03/27/the-bogus-antisemitism-smear-against-jeremy-corbyn-was-just-debunked-in-the-times-of-israel/

That is just one mans personal opinion - a man who is obviously anti right wing and pro - Corbyn. It's not like you to fall for a partial source...as you would say, it means nothing...:whistle:

Besides, Corbyn is, at the very least, guilty by association as he is the Labour leader and therefore responsible for stamping out antisemitism in his party which he has refused to do even though it was brought to his attention over and over again. Did he care enough to deal with it? NO. That he didn't see it as as something that should be dealt with swiftly is very telling indeed.

[Kizzy]

A Labour Corbyn supporter isn't impartial.
I'll just copy your style when you respond to me about his IRA sympathies and say:

Corbyn is anti - semitic. End of.

How does that medicine taste, Kizzy?

No he isn't and if you'd bother to read/listen to anyone who has been interviewed in relation to the topic of antisemitism within labour they all say he isn't . The issue being he isn't tough enough on those within the party who are.

[bots]

No he isn't and if you'd bother to read/listen to anyone who has been interviewed in relation to the topic of antisemitism within labour they all say he isn't . The issue being he isn't tough enough on those within the party who are.

The evidence presented in this thread alone points to him being anti Semitic. You are of course entitled to think differently, but the majority don't see it that way

[Kizzy]

That is just one mans personal opinion - a man who is obviously anti right wing and pro - Corbyn. It's not like you to fall for a partial source...as you would say, it means nothing...:whistle:

Besides, Corbyn is, at the very least, guilty by association as he is the Labour leader and therefore responsible for stamping out antisemitism in his party which he has refused to do even though it was brought to his attention over and over again. Did he care enough to deal with it? NO. That he didn't see it as as something that should be dealt with swiftly is very telling indeed.

That's all that has ever been leveled at Corbyn isn't it on anything 'guilt by association' he hasn't said or done anything. I'd say many are forgetting this.

It is one man but look who the man is..... It kinds of proves my theory that it's less about how the Jewish community feel and more about tub thumping to destabilise Corbyn as Labour leader now.

In 2012 the Labour leader WAS Jewish ( and we all remember how the media treated him) and the mural got painted :/ How I don't know but suddenly it's Corbyn that's condemned for glancing at it. It makes no sense.

[jet]

That's all that has ever been leveled at Corbyn isn't it on anything 'guilt by association' he hasn't said or done anything. I'd say many are forgetting this.

It is one man but look who the man is..... It kinds of proves my theory that it's less about how the Jewish community feel and more about tub thumping to destabilise Corbyn as Labour leader now.

In 2012 the Labour leader WAS Jewish ( and we all remember how the media treated him) and the mural got painted :/ How I don't know but suddenly it's Corbyn that's condemned for glancing at it. It makes no sense.

No, that isn't all that is levelled at him. It's just what you need to believe.

[Kizzy]

The evidence presented in this thread alone points to him being anti Semitic. You are of course entitled to think differently, but the majority don't see it that way

No it doesn't... then the 'majority' on this forum are at odds with every other person interviewed in the media on this topic , that's in his own party, other parties and most importantly the Jewish representatives.

What you have in this thread and across the forum is political bias, it is not the same at all.

[Kizzy]

No, that isn't all that is levelled at him. It's just what you need to believe.

No it really isn't I have watched and read a lot of media debate over this week and I remain objective... are you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No it really isn't I have watched and read a lot of media debate over this week and I remain objective... are you?

looking at jet's posts i would say yes

[jet]

looking at jet's posts i would say yes

Thank you LT. :)

[MTVN]

Labour's disciplinary chief resigned tonight after asking for a council candidate embroiled in a "Holocaust denial" row to be let back into the party.

Christine Shawcroft said she was "deeply sorry" for her comments as she quit as head of the party's powerful Disputes Panel.

It comes just two months after Ms Shawcroft, a*Jeremy Corbyn*ally and director of Momentum,*ousted long-serving Ann Black as the head of the panel.

Her departure adds pressure to Mr Corbyn, who vowed this week to be a "militant" opponent of anti-Semitism after Jewish leaders staged a protest outside Parliament.

The Times and Daily Mail obtained an e-mail sent by Ms Shawcroft asking party officials to reinstate a suspended council candidate.

The man had apparently shared an article on Facebook called: "International Red Cross Report Confirms the Holocaust of Six Million Jews is a Hoax."

It was accompanied with a picture of the gates of Auschwitz, with the famous phrase 'Arbeit Macht Frei' (work sets you free) replaced with the phrase 'Muh Holocaust'.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-disputes-chief-christine-shawcroft-12269858

https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/DZZ7sZzXUAUIrgv.jpg?w=540&ssl=1

Still though, nothing to see here

[jet]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5551289/Corbyn-deluged-74-allegations-shocking-anti-Semitism.html


Jeremy Corbyn's failure to deal with anti-Semitism in his party was laid bare last night.

Labour sources revealed they have a backlog of no fewer than 74 allegations of 'shocking' anti-Jewish sentiment. Some date back more than two years and have led to suspensions rather than expulsions.

Labour MP John Mann said he knew of 130 further cases that had not been dealt with properly and should now be reassessed.

A party source said: 'Many of these cases include the most shocking and blatant anti-Semitism that would make even a committed neo-Nazi blush.

[bots]

'Deeply sorry' Christine Shawcroft quits as Labour disputes chief

The head of the Labour Party's disputes panel has quit after it emerged she had opposed the suspension of a council candidate accused of Holocaust denial.

Christine Shawcroft sent an email calling for the reinstatement of Alan Bull, who had been due to stand in local elections in Peterborough in May.

In a statement she said she had not been aware of the "abhorrent" Facebook post that led to his suspension.

Mr Bull said he reposted an article on Facebook for the purpose of debate.

He told the BBC that he shared the article, which claimed the Holocaust was a "hoax", with friends without comment - but said he did not agree with its content.

Ms Shawcroft - a director of the pro-Corbyn Momentum group - only became the head of the disputes committee, which investigates allegations of sexual harassment, anti-Semitism and disciplinary breaches, in January.

She said she was "deeply sorry" for her "wrong and misguided questions on this case".

In her original email, Ms Shawcroft said she was "concerned" to hear about the suspension of Mr Bull for "a Facebook post taken completely out of context and alleged to show anti-Semitism".

Some people in Peterborough's Labour Party had "political reasons" for not wanting him to stand, she wrote, adding: "I am concerned that party disciplinary procedures are being used in the pursuit of partisan disputes in local parties, wasting a great deal of staff time in the process."

She ended her email by saying the party had "sat on" the complaint for months, adding: "I think we should reinstate his membership and allow him to contest the ward for which he has been selected."

But in a statement announcing her resignation on Wednesday night, she said: "I sent this email before being aware of the full information about this case and I had not been shown the image of his abhorrent Facebook post. Had I seen this image, I would not have requested that the decision to suspend him be re-considered. I am deeply sorry for having done so."

In a reference to Monday's demonstration by Jewish groups against the Labour leadership, she added: "This week we have seen a clear expression of the pain and hurt that has been caused to Jewish members of our party and the wider Jewish community by anti-Semitic abuse and language, and by the reality of anti-Semitism being denied and downplayed by others.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43578225

Seems a lot of people have been "missing" the details :idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its officially a shambles now. Anyone who was saying it was just a smear campaign should hang their head in shame

and as Livia said, if you cant see the problem then chances are you are part of it

:bored:

[Kizzy]

Its officially a shambles now. Anyone who was saying it was just a smear campaign should hang their head in shame

and as Livia said, if you cant see the problem then chances are you are part of it

:bored:



What exactly are those not constructing a wicker man part of?

I hope I'm not being accused of something here because while I fully acknowledge and support the issue of tackling antisemitism I can see that this has become politicised now.

These 'missing the point' and 'nothing to see' snipes are ridiculous

[Crimson Dynamo]

id let it go now Kizzy

[chuff me dizzy]

He just doesn’t have the backbone to admit it. Too much at stake for him and his shot at No. 10.

:clap1:

[Kizzy]

id let it go now Kizzy

Why? because you think you've railroaded me off the topic... You don't know me at all do you?

[Kizzy]

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[jet]

So often there are cries of RACIST on here at the slightest opportunity, but when it comes to antisemitism it's a different story. A blind eye is turned to Corbyn's continuously ignoring and condoning it in his own party and even appearing to be antisemitic himself. There is no horror or admittance or shame, just a shifting of the goalposts to blame his opponents for 'smears', so yes, anyone who does that IS part of the problem. I haven't seen one Corbyn supporter saying 'he is very wrong, why hasn't he done anything about this!'. It's sheer hypocrisy.

[jet]

F9JpqCmMFNM

Words, words and more words, and NO action.

[bots]

https://e3.365dm.com/18/03/1096x616/skynews-hitler-jeremy-corbyn_4269370.jpg

Alan Sugar has faced calls to "disown" a tweet he sent which depicts Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn sat in a car alongside Adolf Hitler.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell appealed to the businessman to delete it and "bring people together".

Lord Sugar sent the image as Mr Corbyn said his party "must do better" in dealing with anti-Semitism.

It carried the caption: "When you're pictured at Nuremberg and claim you thought you were going to a car rally".

The city of Nuremberg was host to Nazi propaganda events after Hitler's rise to power.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43604058

[Crimson Dynamo]

welp

[jaxie]

Saw this in the news today too. I can't see Sugar being cowed by calls to remove it. Will be interesting to watch the storm over it today.

[arista]

He still needs to go on a national T V news
and stop this.

It is all in his hands

Even War Criminal Blair is attacking him
was on LBC

[arista]

Sugar hates Corbyn

Sugar is 100% New Labour

[jet]

Sugar tweeted: It is a joke , but the angry brigade like to moan
He then retweeted a photo of JC at a Lab rally in Milton Keynes yesterday with a councillor who used to be in the local neo-Nazi organisation.
https://twitter.com/Lord_Sugar

[Kizzy]

He's removed it.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/31/mcdonnell-calls-for-lord-sugar-to-delete-corbyn-hitler-tweet

[Maru]

I can't say I 100% understand all the context behind the Corbyn drama (I need someone to link me an election documentary or something), but I do find it incredibly amusing that jet and others brought up some fairly serious issues that were dismissed... and now it appears they've become one of the main points of contention in his campaign. It's like watching Hillary Clinton run again.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYwzKWKpzmEL4GY/giphy.gif

(Sorry I really needed that laugh)

[Kizzy]

I can't say I 100% understand all the context behind the Corbyn drama (I need someone to link me an election documentary or something), but I do find it incredibly amusing that jet and others brought up some fairly serious issues that were dismissed... and now it appears they've become one of the main points of contention in his campaign. It's like watching Hillary Clinton run again.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYwzKWKpzmEL4GY/giphy.gif

(Sorry I really needed that laugh)

What issues... The antisemitic issue or the IRA issue?

They were not dismissed by myself they were addressed.

[jet]

What issues... The antisemitic issue or the IRA issue?

They were not dismissed by myself they were addressed.

You do dismiss them, especially our fairly long time 'debates' about his IRA sympathies. Your conclusion is always 'He didn't do anything wrong then and he hasn't done anything wrong now'. These are your actual words.

[Oliver_W]

You do dismiss them, especially our fairly long time 'debates' about his IRA sympathies. Your conclusion is always 'He didn't do anything wrong then and he hasn't done anything wrong now'. These are your actual words.

"The IRA are bad but don't forget about [other bad group no-one supports]"

[Kizzy]

You do dismiss them, especially our fairly long time 'debates' about his IRA sympathies. Your conclusion is always 'He didn't do anything wrong then and he hasn't done anything wrong now'. These are your actual words.

I haven't dismissed your opinion though I just don't agree with it, that's the nature of debate isn't it you state your opinion I state mine... Whatever you or maru think I have the right to form my own stance on any given topic.

[jet]

I haven't dismissed your opinion though I just don't agree with it, that's the nature of debate isn't it you state your opinion I state mine... Whatever you or maru think I have the right to form my own stance on any given topic.

Disagreeing with opinions is fine obviously, but you also dismiss evidence and even facts when it comes to Corbyn.

[Kizzy]

Disagreeing with opinions is fine obviously, but you also dismiss evidence and even facts when it comes to Corbyn.

I have addressed every 'fact' you put in front of me. I'm not going to be railroaded into agreeing with you Jet. I have my own mind thank you.

[jet]

I have addressed every 'fact' you put in front of me. I'm not going to be railroaded into agreeing with you Jet. I have my own mind thank you.

You have far from addressed every fact. You just say it is all supposition and he hasn't done anything wrong when you are confronted with the FACTS that he obviously HAS done plenty wrong.
It's not a question of railroading anyone - I post my opinion but also links to facts which back up my opinion and anyone is entitled to disregard those facts as they wish - and you do.
I don't ask for your agreement as I don't need it. I'll continue to post my opinions and facts about Corbyn's shameful behaviour and connections when and if I please and its no skin off my nose if you brush it aside as nonsense. Carry on conversing with me as you wish or ignore...:shrug:

[MTVN]

Jeremy Corbyn faces a damaging new anti-semitism scandal as a bombshell dossier reveals the full extent of anti-Jewish, violent and abusive comments on Facebook groups mobilising his most fervent supporters.

Twelve senior staff working for the Labour leader and the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, are members of groups containing anti-semitic and violent comments, including praise for Adolf Hitler and threats to kill Theresa May, the prime minister.

The most*comprehensive investigation*conducted into 20 of the biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups — numbering 400,000 members — found routine attacks on Jewish people, including Holocaust denial.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/exposed-jeremy-corbyns-hate-factory-kkh55kpgx

Oh dear oh dear

[kirklancaster]

Jeremy Corbyn faces a damaging new anti-semitism scandal as a bombshell dossier reveals the full extent of anti-Jewish, violent and abusive comments on Facebook groups mobilising his most fervent supporters.

Twelve senior staff working for the Labour leader and the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, are members of groups containing anti-semitic and violent comments, including praise for Adolf Hitler and threats to kill Theresa May, the prime minister.

The most*comprehensive investigation*conducted into 20 of the biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups — numbering 400,000 members — found routine attacks on Jewish people, including Holocaust denial.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/exposed-jeremy-corbyns-hate-factory-kkh55kpgx

Oh dear oh dear

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Another - EXPLOSIVE - and informative post. These are brilliant, keep 'em coming, and maybe - just maybe - even the most fanatical of Corbynistas will be FORCED to concede that their 'Teflon Saint' needs to GO.

[Kizzy]

You have far from addressed every fact. You just say it is all supposition and he hasn't done anything wrong when you are confronted with the FACTS that he obviously HAS done plenty wrong.
It's not a question of railroading anyone - I post my opinion but also links to facts which back up my opinion and anyone is entitled to disregard those facts as they wish - and you do.
I don't ask for your agreement as I don't need it. I'll continue to post my opinions and facts about Corbyn's shameful behaviour and connections when and if I please and its no skin off my nose if you brush it aside as nonsense. Carry on conversing with me as you wish or ignore...:shrug:

Guilt by association, personally in any of the scenarios you put forward what has he done?
I have never suggested you can't post your opinions, I only objected to the suggestion I have dismissed anything you said... I haven't. I just don't happen to agree wich is not uncommon in a debate is it?

[Kizzy]

Jeremy Corbyn faces a damaging new anti-semitism scandal as a bombshell dossier reveals the full extent of anti-Jewish, violent and abusive comments on Facebook groups mobilising his most fervent supporters.

Twelve senior staff working for the Labour leader and the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, are members of groups containing anti-semitic and violent comments, including praise for Adolf Hitler and threats to kill Theresa May, the prime minister.

The most*comprehensive investigation*conducted into 20 of the biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups — numbering 400,000 members — found routine attacks on Jewish people, including Holocaust denial.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/exposed-jeremy-corbyns-hate-factory-kkh55kpgx

Oh dear oh dear

See.. again guilt by association, someone starts a pro Corbyn FB group open to the public and someone makes a comment... In what universe could that be attributed to corbyn? I'm sorry I feel like I'm living in the twilight zone at the moment there is a distinct lack of objectivity around at the moment of which this is a prime example.

Again the very real and pertinent issue of antisemitism has been politicised ... that as I've said is exploitative and wrong, yet this media spun right wing runaway train is full steam ahead with it.

It's a last ditch desperate attempt to get the establishment and the media gravy train back on track and ditch a left leaning Labour leader.
Why is this not apparent?

[Kizzy]

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Another - EXPLOSIVE - and informative post. These are brilliant, keep 'em coming, and maybe - just maybe - even the most fanatical of Corbynistas will be FORCED to concede that their 'Teflon Saint' needs to GO.

Or maybe just maybe people will get some perspective and see that this witch hunt has now less to do with antisemitism.... It was though a handy catalyst and more to do with ousting corbyn. They tried the fair means now they're trying the foul.

[arista]

Kizzy
Today Corbyn closed down his own facebook account
they showed it live on Ch4HDnews.

But no one can stop Closed facebook groups


So Corbyn will have no choice
but to go on GMBHD itv
or Sundays Marr BBC1HD (in a few weeks, long BBC breaks)


I posted it first on my own thread
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9938012#post9938012

[Vicky.]

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Jeremy Corbyn faces a damaging new anti-semitism scandal as a bombshell dossier reveals the full extent of anti-Jewish, violent and abusive comments on Facebook groups mobilising his most fervent supporters.

Twelve senior staff working for the Labour leader and the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, are members of groups containing anti-semitic and violent comments, including praise for Adolf Hitler and threats to kill Theresa May, the prime minister.

The most comprehensive investigation conducted into 20 of the biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups — numbering 400,000 members — found routine attacks on Jewish people, including Holocaust denial.

The dossier was compiled over two months by whistleblowers working with The Sunday Times in the groups, who gained access to restricted membership groups. They uncovered more than 2,000 racist, anti-semitic, misogynistic, violent and abusive messages.

Lord Carlile, the former independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, said the comments appeared to breach hate-crime laws.

The investigation found:

■ Posts including support for Adolf Hitler, with one saying the Nazi leader “should have finished off the job” and another claiming the deaths of 6m Jews in the Holocaust “was a big lie!”

■ A Labour supporter, Patrick Haseldine, who posted an image of the Israeli flag on one Labour group on Facebook, with the swastika replacing the Star of David

■ Ian Love, a Momentum organiser on one of the groups, who claimed the former prime minister Tony Blair was “Jewish to the core”, and told The Sunday Times last week he believed the Rothschild banking family controlled most of the world’s finances.

The Facebook groups — which include We Support Jeremy Corbyn, with 68,000 members — have played a key role in helping Corbyn win two leadership contests and boost his performance in the last general election. He is under strong pressure to confront the anti-semitism in his party.

The abusive messages regularly targeted Jewish public figures, including the Labour MP Luciana Berger and Jonathan Arkush, president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews. There are also many violent threats against politicians.

Berger said she and her staff had gone to police about the abuse they had received from left-wingers, including one email urging her to kill herself. In an article for The Sunday Times, Berger says: “Where people indulge in illegal racist activity I will always use the full force of the law to pursue a prosecution. I will continue to do that even when they are people from the left.”

Last night, Christine Shawcroft resigned from Labour’s national executive committee (NEC) following pressure from Tom Watson, the deputy leader. She had opposed the suspension of a Labour member accused of Holocaust denial. “It is clear that my continued membership of the NEC has become a distraction for the party,” said Shawcroft, who will be replaced by the comedian Eddie Izzard.

David Prescott, Corbyn’s senior political adviser, was a member of We Support Jeremy Corbyn, the biggest group, until last week; Laura Murray, a stakeholder manager in Corbyn’s office, is a member of Supporting Jeremy Corbyn & John McDonnell; and James Meadway, McDonnell’s economic adviser, is in the groups We Support Jeremy Corbyn and Supporting Jeremy Corbyn & John McDonnell. Labour said no one in Corbyn’s or McDonnell’s office had seen, posted or endorsed anti- semitic or abusive messages.

Some posts decry the lack of availability of “assassins” in Britain for “getting rid of politicians”, with a picture featuring May. Another post, about the former deputy prime minister Damian Green, says “why don’t we just don’t get on with it and lynch him”.

Robert Ford, professor of political science at Manchester University, said “online hate factories” of the type uncovered by the investigation could encourage violent or extreme reactions.

The revelations came as it emerged that MPs who were at a rally to oppose Labour anti-semitism had been told to “explain” themselves to their constituency parties.

MPs who joined the rally say they have asked Corbyn to make clear he does not think those who attended were attacking him. He has not done so.

Labour said: “These groups are not officially connected to the party in any way. Labour is committed to challenging and campaigning against anti-semitism.”

■ The women’s parliamentary Labour Party, made up of the party’s female MPs and peers, has demanded Jeremy Corbyn suspend a male MP accused of domestic violence while the allegations were investigated.

Full text of mtvns link, as its paywalled

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Today Corbyn closed down his own facebook account"


sounds legit

[arista]

"Today Corbyn closed down his own facebook account"


sounds legit


Its FACT

[jaxie]

Jeremy Corbyn faces a damaging new anti-semitism scandal as a bombshell dossier reveals the full extent of anti-Jewish, violent and abusive comments on Facebook groups mobilising his most fervent supporters.

Twelve senior staff working for the Labour leader and the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, are members of groups containing anti-semitic and violent comments, including praise for Adolf Hitler and threats to kill Theresa May, the prime minister.

The most*comprehensive investigation*conducted into 20 of the biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups — numbering 400,000 members — found routine attacks on Jewish people, including Holocaust denial.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/exposed-jeremy-corbyns-hate-factory-kkh55kpgx

Oh dear oh dear

Just when you think it can't get any worse for Corbyn, it sinks like the titanic!

[Kizzy]

M4_C6iDerCE

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-alan-sugar-tweets-picture-of-jeremy-corbyn-next-to-hitler-11310726

Stupid SUGAR
removes his Hitler - Corbyn Tweet

[bots]

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-alan-sugar-tweets-picture-of-jeremy-corbyn-next-to-hitler-11310726

Stupid SUGAR
removes his Hitler - Corbyn Tweet

It's not stupid to point out anti-semitic behaviour

[jet]

Guilt by association, personally in any of the scenarios you put forward what has he done?
I have never suggested you can't post your opinions, I only objected to the suggestion I have dismissed anything you said... I haven't. I just don't happen to agree wich is not uncommon in a debate is it?

I rest my case.
It's pointless to debate with someone who denies any wrongdoing by Saint Jeremy as their default setting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The deleting of his personal FB is really the last straw in this shameful debacle.


:bored:

[Kizzy]

I rest my case.
It's pointless to debate with someone who denies any wrongdoing by Saint Jeremy as their default setting.

Because he hasn't personally gone anything it's always this guilt by association that is constantly referred to. Personally what has HE done?

[Kizzy]

It's not stupid to point out anti-semitic behaviour

How was that mock up doing that?...