Big Brother 19: Ratings Thread

[supertv247]

Is My5 added on yet though? I’d have thought we’d get higher officlals if that’s being put in too? I’d love to see it be beating BB18 officially because some of those officials were terrible :laugh:

My5 isn’t counted yet... but they did say it would get counted in September :shrug:

[JoshBB]

Huge for the Palin doc.

Guess that pretty much gives C5 the "YAY" they wanted in cancelling BB. Not good, is it? It's the highest C5 rating of the year.

It's a one-off show though, whereas Big Brother brings consistently good ratings (for C5 standard) every day for 8 weeks.

It's kinda like how Eurovision brings amazing ratings for the BBC, but it's only 3 shows every year. So it wouldn't be a consistent source of revenue in terms of adverts because of that

[*mazedsalv**]

My5 isn’t counted yet... but they did say it would get counted in September :shrug:

I guess we will find out tomorrow.

[*mazedsalv**]

Finally got some precise ratings!

Overnights Including +1 for BB:

17/9/18- 697k (5.7%)
18/9/18- 789k (6.4%)
19/9/18- 664k (5.4%)
20/9/18- 776k (6.4%)
21/9/18- 710k (6.3%)

That's Monday-Friday

[T*]

i think all 4 might boost the circle too

[supertv247]

Here’s the first full week of overnights from Broadcast, from launch until now (you can update OP)

14/9/18- 905k (6.0%)
16/9/18- 755k (6.9%)
17/9/18- 697k (5.7%)
18/9/18- 789k (6.4%)
19/9/18- 664k (5.4%)
20/9/18- 776k (6.4%)
21/9/18- 710k (6.3%)

Some numbers higher than we thought, closer to 800k for Thursday!

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[JoshBB]

It's weird, because as a share it doesn't look so bad, but nominally.. :skull:

[supertv247]

It's weird, because as a share it doesn't look so bad, but nominally.. :skull:

The share is good, just goes to show that it’s a ridiculous time slot being on late because hardly anyone is watching tv.


Wednesday is officially the lowest overnight of all time, outside of Caroline’s eviction which faced the Olympic’s 26 million in 2012

[*mazedsalv**]

The share is good, just goes to show that it’s a ridiculous time slot being on late because hardly anyone is watching tv.


Wednesday is officially the lowest overnight of all time, outside of Caroline’s eviction which faced the Olympic’s 26 million in 2012

Actually it's not

The Last hl show of BB13 faces the closing ceremony and was under 500k

[Rob!]

Those ratings are ****ing terrible

[Oaker]

So I'm guessing there's going to be some below 1 million officials this series?

[Rob!]

So I'm guessing there's going to be some below 1 million officials this series?

I’d hope not but who knows?

[*mazedsalv**]

Those ratings are ****ing terrible

Better than expected considering launch was 900k

[pontyboi]

Here’s the first full week of overnights from Broadcast, from launch until now (you can update OP)

14/9/18- 905k (6.0%)
16/9/18- 755k (6.9%)
17/9/18- 697k (5.7%)
18/9/18- 789k (6.4%)
19/9/18- 664k (5.4%)
20/9/18- 776k (6.4%)
21/9/18- 710k (6.3%)

Some numbers higher than we thought, closer to 800k for Thursday!

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Lets not have an orgasm over 800k I mean its still only 800k and even if the new system boosts it to 1 million its still **** for Big Brother.

[supertv247]

Actually it's not

The Last hl show of BB13 faces the closing ceremony and was under 500k

Couldn’t remember which came first that series, but same thing. They clashed with the Olympics and therefore are excluded either way lol

[*mazedsalv**]

Not good for BB but as expected with the clash and late finish.
622k with +1.


14/9/18- 906k (6.0%)
16/9/18- 755k (6.9%)
17/9/18- 697k (5.7%)
18/9/18- 789k (6.4%)
19/9/18- 664k (5.4%)
20/9/18- 776k (6.4%)
21/9/18- 710k (6.3%)
23/9/18- 622k (5.2%)

These are all the ratings so far.

Last night damaged it as I said by clashing with Bodyguard which got almost 11m in those 15 mins. And then obviously the 11 30pm finish.

Tonight will be around the 700s as I think that's where it's settling.

Officials today.

[supertv247]

622k and 5.2% Inc +1. A new low. Welp

[*mazedsalv**]

622k and 5.2% Inc +1. A new low. Welp

Thought worse tbh

Tonight...710k I'll say

[pontyboi]

What did The Circle get seeing as it was on at the same time would be good to compare.

[Will.]

Welp that’s low, I’m not watching this series even though I know it’s good.

I just cba watching TV in general atm.

[supertv247]

The first officlas are in for the first two episodes⁠ ⁠ - in brackets is how much each episode added

Launch - 1.25m (+345k)
Sunday - 1.24m (+485k)

This is the best *ever* viewer retention for the first highlights show, and 485k is higher than ANY consolidation from last year. 1.25m doesn’t look good but that is the same as last year’s overall average, which is impressive considering the overnight average is down nearly 200k

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[supertv247]

What did The Circle get seeing as it was on at the same time would be good to compare.

The Circle got 350k and 2.4% last night. Makes BB look amazing :laugh:

[Rob!]

What did The Circle get seeing as it was on at the same time would be good to compare.

350k incl +1. (2.4%) :worry:

[Greg!]

The first officlas are in for the first two episodes⁠ ⁠ - in brackets is how much each episode added

Launch - 1.25m (+345k)
Sunday - 1.24m (+485k)

This is the best *ever* viewer retention for the first highlights show, and 485k is higher than ANY consolidation from last year. 1.25m doesn’t look good but that is the same as last year’s overall average, which is impressive considering the overnight average is down nearly 200k

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Oh wow, does that include my5? If not this series might actually get half decent ratings when they are added

[*mazedsalv**]

The first officlas are in for the first two episodes⁠ ⁠ - in brackets is how much each episode added

Launch - 1.25m (+345k)
Sunday - 1.24m (+485k)

This is the best *ever* viewer retention for the first highlights show, and 485k is higher than ANY consolidation from last year. 1.25m doesn’t look good but that is the same as last year’s overall average, which is impressive considering the overnight average is down nearly 200k

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Yep and the Sunday episode got a 15.1% share.

[*mazedsalv**]

Oh wow, does that include my5? If not this series might actually get half decent ratings when they are added

Nope they don't yet!

[Rob!]

The first officlas are in for the first two episodes⁠ ⁠ - in brackets is how much each episode added

Launch - 1.25m (+345k)
Sunday - 1.24m (+485k)

This is the best *ever* viewer retention for the first highlights show, and 485k is higher than ANY consolidation from last year. 1.25m doesn’t look good but that is the same as last year’s overall average, which is impressive considering the overnight average is down nearly 200k

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Urgh so nice to see 1m numbers attached to the show again. Wow that retention is incredible and shows just how well the cast has gone down with viewers. It shouldn’t stray too far from those numbers considering the overnights either

[Rob!]

Nope they don't yet!

Fantastic! When do they come in and what do you think they’ll add?

[supertv247]

Oh wow, does that include my5? If not this series might actually get half decent ratings when they are added

Not yet - hopefully by next week they will count My5, I’ve heard from good source that the demand has been higher than ever for this series! 🤞🏼

[Rob!]

Not yet - hopefully by next week they will count My5, I’ve heard from good source that the demand has been higher than ever for this series! 🤞🏼

Will they be added on to the first officials or are we going to end up with a week where the HL’s are like 200k above the launch? :laugh:

[supertv247]

Will they be added on to the first officials or are we going to end up with a week where the HL’s are like 200k above the launch? :laugh:

lol probably the latter - although when 28 day officials are counted it may boost the first 2 episodes up with them, not sure

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[pontyboi]

Yep and the Sunday episode got a 15.1% share.

That's an amazing share!

[y.winter]

350k incl +1. (2.4%) :worry:

Crickey.

The Circle has been blocked :skull:

[Rob!]

Crickey.

The Circle has been blocked :skull:

Yeah that’s honestly terrible whichever way you look at it. I am surprised it’s flopped as much as it has, especially against a lower than even last year BB, in fact I thought The Circle would finish it off altogether but BB has barely been affected.

[bots]

it's changed from being a warm, wet circle to a dried up stain :laugh:

[supertv247]

Just to add - those 2 episodes of bbuk are the 2 joint most watched programmes on Channel 5 from the WHOLE of last week, only behind CBB and the Yorkshire Vet which had 10k more :laugh: C5 are stupid

[Greg!]

I honestly believe if it was aired after a year or so break on ITV2 it would get similar ratings to LI. A 9pm time slot, better and wider reaching promotion, the interest in it being revived etc.

[Jake.]

I’m away until next Sunday, would someone mind keeping a tally so I can update the OP when I’m back?

[supertv247]

I’m away until next Sunday, would someone mind keeping a tally so I can update the OP when I’m back?

Sure. Here it is so far

Episode 1 - 906k (6.0%)
Episode 2 - 755k (6.9%)
Episode 3 - 697k (5.7%)
Episode 4 - 789k (6.4%)
Episode 5 - 664k (5.4%)
Episode 6 - 776k (6.4%)
Episode 7 - 710k (6.3%)
Episode 8 - 622k (5.2%)

[Rob!]

Just to add - those 2 episodes of bbuk are the 2 joint most watched programmes on Channel 5 from the WHOLE of last week, only behind CBB and the Yorkshire Vet which had 10k more :laugh: C5 are stupid

Ha! That’s turned round and shot Channel 5 in the face :joker:

[Jake.]

^ thank you, all updated

[supertv247]

Ha! That’s turned round and shot Channel 5 in the face :joker:

The least watched bb ever, one that C5 don’t care about, and it’s still their most watched show.
Now imagine they actually made effort with it, gave it a good schedule, promoted it. It would be far and away above all of their other shows :smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

is that station run by total eejits?

:facepalm:

[Rob!]

Goes to show it’s definitely the scheduling that’s the cause of the low overnights. Yes the overnights are awful but if it’s adding over 400k on the officials before the catch up figures have even been added then it’s nowhere near as bad. At least this series SHOULD be able to bow out with its head held reasonably high although there is still a long way to go.

[y.winter]

Can someone help me understand all the "phases" of the rating?
Overnight, +1, catchup, officials, any other forms - what exactly they are and if they're included or not and when?
I'm not familiar with the system in the UK and I keep seeing these numbers changing and adding up all the time :laugh:

[Rob!]

Can someone help me understand all the "phases" of the rating?
Overnight, +1, catchup, officials, any other forms - what exactly they are and if they're included or not and when?
I'm not familiar with the system in the UK and I keep seeing these numbers changing and adding up all the time :laugh:

I don’t fully understand it myself but from what I can gather:

Overnights and +1: These are the viewers that watched it live or an hour later in +1, which is the channel that airs programmes an hour later than the show was originally broadcast.

The officials add people who recorded it on Sky+ or whatever as well as those that streamed it live on the Channel 5 website.

Catchup, which is soon to be added to the officials, are the ones who watch it on any catch up service like my5 including from laptops, tablets and downloads from TV catchup services.

[supertv247]

Not quite..

Overnight ratings - the number of people who watch it live, on the +1 hour channel, or on the same day of broadcast before 2am (via recording / if they paused etc)

Official consolidations - the number of people who watched overnight + all those who watched it recorded within 7 days after broadcast

None of these yet include viewers who stream it on the website or catch up via My5’s on demand service, but these numbers should be added soon, hopefully next week.

[Rob!]

Ah okay thanks :laugh:

[*mazedsalv**]

Not quite..

Overnight ratings - the number of people who watch it live, on the +1 hour channel, or on the same day of broadcast before 2am (via recording / if they paused etc)

Official consolidations - the number of people who watched overnight + all those who watched it recorded within 7 days after broadcast

None of these yet include viewers who stream it on the website or catch up via My5’s on demand service, but these numbers should be added soon, hopefully next week.

If they don't introduce the catch up figures next week I'll be so annoyed.

[y.winter]

Not quite..

Overnight ratings - the number of people who watch it live, on the +1 hour channel, or on the same day of broadcast before 2am (via recording / if they paused etc)

Official consolidations - the number of people who watched overnight + all those who watched it recorded within 7 days after broadcast

None of these yet include viewers who stream it on the website or catch up via My5’s on demand service, but these numbers should be added soon, hopefully next week.

Thanks!
So they don't include the on-demand services?! This is silly, we're already in 2018. It's actually more important than the recorded show, because in All4/my5 there are actual ads, whereas people can just fast forward them when recording - financially, the latter his less crucial :laugh:

[JoshBB]

Is the online viewing (within 28 days) being added a new thing for all shows? Or just C5/Big Brother. I wonder how past series would've done with it.

Though, I can't see it adding more than like 100k for each show. I know it sounds pessimistic but yeah :/

[pontyboi]

Is the online viewing (within 28 days) being added a new thing for all shows? Or just C5/Big Brother. I wonder how past series would've done with it.

Though, I can't see it adding more than like 100k for each show. I know it sounds pessimistic but yeah :/

I don't know if its just BB but I know ITV said with online/demand services Love Island was watched by an average of 5 million.

[JoshBB]

Really? I find that so bizarre. Maybe it's just me then.. I tend to find the streaming services (like My5) laggy and annoying to use.

[Elliot]

My5 is garbage how anyone uses that is beyond me

Also this might be a stupid question but do the ratings for bots ever get revealed? Curious to see what they are especially sundays if there even is one :skull:

[JoshBB]

My5 is garbage how anyone uses that is beyond me

Also this might be a stupid question but do the ratings for bots ever get revealed? Curious to see what they are especially sundays if there even is one :skull:

:laugh2:

I can't see it getting more than 300k when it's on at like midnight, surely... they'd get far more viewers if they just showed us live feed (or some kind of "extra bits" full of more highlights that didnt make it to the main show)

[Bigbrother2015]

I always watch on My5 and I'm pretty sure alot of people to do as you can watch it anywhere and everywhere!

[T*]

itv hub and all4 are great and then My5 is completely and utterly ****e and hasn’t been updated since like 2011. They made it out of cardboard and duct tape

[supertv247]

omg, and those catch up numbers are needed...


560k excluding +1 last night. The lowest yet

[JoshBB]

What a shame. it's been great past few days too

[pontyboi]

omg, and those catch up numbers are needed...


560k excluding +1 last night. The lowest yet

OUCH!

What did The Circle get?

[supertv247]

OUCH!

What did The Circle get?

430k including +1

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[Maxxie.]

I honestly believe if it was aired after a year or so break on ITV2 it would get similar ratings to LI. A 9pm time slot, better and wider reaching promotion, the interest in it being revived etc.

You think civillian BB is capable of averaging 4m??

[JoshBB]

You think civillian BB is capable of averaging 4m??

It used to achieve series averages of 5.3m in its height, and while I don't think anyone expects it to ever achieve that much or exceed it, the show is not beyond redemption. It can be revived and achieve good ratings like LI if given the opportunity

[Aaliyah]

Was the civilian last year always in the 10pm slot?

[Rob!]

Was the civilian last year always in the 10pm slot?

It varied.

Urgh at that rating.

[thisisdanny]

Was the civilian last year always in the 10pm slot?

Except for Friday and Sunday 9pm, and Saturday was 10:30 iirc because of the football

[supertv247]

So turns out the new ratings system has already went live - it isn't as helpful as I expected it to be..

It has taken the CBB official average from 1.93m to 1.98m - not as big a climb as I was expecting at all. At least that series now reads as 2 million I guess.

It only goes up to September 9th for now, so it'll be a few weeks before we get the first few weeks of BB officials including ALL catch up. But I don't expect much uplift, maybe 1.3m instead of 1.25m at most..

[Rob!]

Well, that's because My5 is a load of ****e :nono:

BUT, it might be a bit better because CBB aired at 9 so there would be less need for catchup?

[Aaliyah]

So turns out the new ratings system has already went live - it isn't as helpful as I expected it to be..

It has taken the CBB official average from 1.93m to 1.98m - not as big a climb as I was expecting at all. At least that series now reads as 2 million I guess.

It only goes up to September 9th for now, so it'll be a few weeks before we get the first few weeks of BB officials including ALL catch up. But I don't expect much uplift, maybe 1.3m instead of 1.25m at most..

People wanting to buy the show don't care about people who watch it on catch up because adverts aren't played.

overnights is all they will care about when deciding if they want a show because that's what the people who advertise their product pay for.

[supertv247]

People wanting to buy the show don't care about people who watch it on catch up because adverts aren't played.

overnights is all they will care about when deciding if they want a show because that's what the people who advertise their product pay for.

Have you ever watched BB on My5? There’s 4 or 5 adverts every 15 minutes, just like on TV... :laugh:

[supertv247]

OFFICIALS

Friday - 1.28m (+375k)
Sunday - 1.27m (+515k)

These now include on demand viewers. Both episodes up 30k on the previous officials. This now takes the series over last year’s series average of 1.24m! Obviously, Sunday still is the most watched ever on catch up, but now even more so!

All officials from now on will include the total catchup and on demand viewers. Fingers crossed for for consistent +500k’s

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[T*]

430k including +1

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What are the circles officials it’s been a week since launch right?

[supertv247]

What are the circles officials it’s been a week since launch right?

Officials for last week (Monday-Sunday) won’t be out until Monday.

[Greg!]

Mess I thought at least 100k would watch on my5. Just goes to show how ****e a service it is!

[James]

Have you ever watched BB on My5? There’s 4 or 5 adverts every 15 minutes, just like on TV... :laugh:

When I watch it on the XBox app I never see an advert.

The app takes ages to start though (for me).

[Rob!]

OFFICIALS

Friday - 1.28m (+375k)
Sunday - 1.27m (+515k)

These now include on demand viewers. Both episodes up 30k on the previous officials. This now takes the series over last year’s series average of 1.24m! Obviously, Sunday still is the most watched ever on catch up, but now even more so!

All officials from now on will include the total catchup and on demand viewers. Fingers crossed for for consistent +500k’s

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Bye at us getting excited for these extra numbers all year for 30k

[supertv247]

570k excluding +1 last night

The Circle had 605k...


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[Rob!]

BYE

[supertv247]

Ratings, including +1

The Circle - 633k
Big Brother - 653k

[Headie]

The Circle making it's deserved comeback :clap1:

[bots]

so 100k added on +1 even with a 10:15 original start? Home from the pub?

[Rob!]

Ratings, including +1

The Circle - 633k
Big Brother - 653k

Just 20k difference between something that was seen as one of Channel 4's biggest ratings flops in a while.

[supertv247]

so 100k added on +1 even with a 10:15 original start? Home from the pub?

I think it was more a case of BB and The Circle sharing a lot of viewers, and last nights Circle was a ‘must see’ episode hence why it won the slot. But then BB had much more watch on +1

[T*]

WE DID IT

[T*]

I think the Circle will end up coming up on top legitimately

[Headie]

Just 20k difference between something that was seen as one of Channel 4's biggest ratings flops in a while.

If C4 didn't play silly beggars and copy C5's strategy of putting their nightly show on at 10pm, it would be doing far better I presume. The Circle has been great but I always watch it on All4 the next day (or later that same night if I don't have to be up early the next day)

[T*]

As jack said in the other thread that well could’ve been because of them wanting to experiment with the format to see if there’s an interest. That viewer count is still impressive for 10PM nowadays which is what I think people are forgetting

[pontyboi]

I think the Circle will end up coming up on top legitimately

It deserves it the concept is extremely interesting and is being pulled off really well.

Also the contestants are actually likeable.

Though my heart is with BB I am enjoying The Circle more as with this years housemates I don't feel a connection with any of them.

[Nicky91]

It deserves it the concept is extremely interesting and is being pulled off really well.

Also the contestants are actually likeable.

Though my heart is with BB I am enjoying The Circle more as with this years housemates I don't feel a connection with any of them.

The Circle can be BB's replacement during it's hiatus i guess, let ITV producers brainstorm and put in the effort to save BB, and then re-air it for BB20

[supertv247]

The Circle is getting better every night

I think the reason they've seen an increase is because rather than following the BB style editing they follow love Island, therefore each night tends to end on a cliffhanger rather than just at the end of the day, so it works at keeping viewers in edge making sure they watch ASAP

[Maxxie.]

It used to achieve series averages of 5.3m in its height, and while I don't think anyone expects it to ever achieve that much or exceed it, the show is not beyond redemption. It can be revived and achieve good ratings like LI if given the opportunity

Well imo considering it was once culturally and socially huge, I think the times have moved on from then now so imo making BB the new Love Island in the future I'd say is unlikely.

Although when LI dies down it would probably be a good time/idea for a channel to relaunch BB.

[Elliot]

570k excluding +1 last night

The Circle had 605k...


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God that’s embarrassing lmao

Get Ben frow out

[DouglasS]

We love the Circle.

I always watch The Circle live and watch BB either the next day or on plus 1 depending on how tired I am.

[y.winter]

The Circle is getting better every night

I think the reason they've seen an increase is because rather than following the BB style editing they follow love Island, therefore each night tends to end on a cliffhanger rather than just at the end of the day, so it works at keeping viewers in edge making sure they watch ASAP

I agree. I'm not familiar with LI's editing (and basically everything about it) - but this is a huge advantage they have on BB.
The cliffhanger of the blocked players meeting the active players is a delight.
Tbh, The Circle is much more of a game than BB - and that's why it can have cliffhangers every ad break.

[pontyboi]

610k (5.0%) exc. +1

[supertv247]

ratings

BB - 662k (5.4%)

Not sure what The Circle got but it was less than 600k

[*mazedsalv**]

Big Brother: 702k (5.6%) incl +1

The Circle: 378k (3.0%) incl +1

Back in the 700s for the first time since Friday. The +1 was quite a large 82k for 11pm bringing it to 700k.

[*mazedsalv**]

14/9/18- 906k (6.0%)- 1.28m*
16/9/18- 755k (6.9%)- 1.28m*
17/9/18- 697k (5.7%)
18/9/18- 789k (6.4%)
19/9/18- 664k (5.4%)
20/9/18- 776k (6.4%)
21/9/18- 710k (6.3%)
23/9/18- 622k (5.2%)
24/9/18- 621k
25/9/18- 653k
26/9/18- 662k (5.4%)
27/9/18- 702k (5.6%)

*official ratings

Update with last night's rating.

At least it's going the right way, shame the right way is only 700k!

[Rob!]

I mean I suppose the thing to say here is “better” :laugh:

[Rob!]

14/9/18- 906k (6.0%)- 1.28m*
16/9/18- 755k (6.9%)- 1.28m*
17/9/18- 697k (5.7%)
18/9/18- 789k (6.4%)
19/9/18- 664k (5.4%)
20/9/18- 776k (6.4%)
21/9/18- 710k (6.3%)
23/9/18- 622k (5.2%)
24/9/18- 621k
25/9/18- 653k
26/9/18- 662k (5.4%)
27/9/18- 702k (5.6%)

*official ratings

Update with last night's rating.

At least it's going the right way, shame the right way is only 700k!

Wow launch and the first highlights translated to exactly the same? That’s incredible.

[*mazedsalv**]

Wow launch and the first highlights translated to exactly the same? That’s incredible.

Yep, well if we did it precisely, it's 1.280m and 1.275m for first HL show but that goes up to a 1.28m too.

I hope we see more officials over 500k, 600k preferably but doubt it.

[Rob!]

Yep, well if we did it precisely, it's 1.280m and 1.275m for first HL show but that goes up to a 1.28m too.

I hope we see more officials over 500k, 600k preferably but doubt it.

Even 500k will only take it up to no more than 1.1m sadly. I was hoping that the officials would let it beat BB18 so let’s hope it can at least come close to doing that in the end.

[*mazedsalv**]

Even 500k will only take it up to no more than 1.1m sadly. I was hoping that the officials would let it beat BB18 so let’s hope it can at least come close to doing that in the end.

I think it will average below BB18 sadly looking at the overnights, but lets see how the rest of the overnights fare.

[supertv247]

ratings

Big Brother - 690k (5.8%)
The Circle - 598k (4%)

[MTVN]

With +1 or without?

[supertv247]

With +1

[RileyH]

The Circle climbing :love:

[RileyH]

I think anyway last time I looked it was at like 400

[supertv247]

I think anyway last time I looked it was at like 400

It tends to spike every time there's a dramatic episode, otherwise its around 400k. Compared to bb which is just consistently the same no matter what (I'm guessing cause its just the core fans left watching)

[pontyboi]

The Circle ratings are so weird some nights they are 350k then jump up to 600k.

[JoshBB]

I'm genuinely surprised that BBUK is holding up pretty well after an abysmal launch figure. And that's without big dramas too!!

[Rob!]

Why do ratings take so long to come through these days?

Digital Spy are treating the ratings like they’re some sort of code to enter Area 51, it’s ridiculous

[supertv247]

Ratings including +1

Big Brother - 620k
The Circle - 412k

[Rob!]

Could be worse I guess.

[pontyboi]

Ratings including +1

Big Brother - 620k
The Circle - 412k

Officials today so lets see what they add to last week...Not holding my breath for anything decent tbh.

Could you find the officials for The Circle to? Just to see what's thats adding in comparison.

[Rob!]

BB won’t be getting any higher than about 1.1m which is a shame and even then it needs to be having officials every day of around 500k and higher

[pontyboi]

BB won’t be getting any higher than about 1.1m which is a shame and even then it needs to be having officials every day of around 500k and higher

Its not even gonna get 1.1 I don't think.

Probably like 900k/1m if we're lucky.

[supertv247]

The official average for week one is 1.12 million but this excludes the on demand figures. I'll post the full official figures for week one later this afternoon when BARB release them with on demand added - it's looking likely to be just under 1.2m thus far

[pontyboi]

So where are these officials?

[lewis111]

Official figures for the first week
Mon 17th: 1.21m
Tue 18th: 1.15m
Wed 19th: 1.15m
Thu 20th: 1.21m
Fri 21st: 1.14m
Sun 23rd: Not available

[supertv247]

week 1 officials, including on demand viewers. (in brackets is what each episode ADDED)

Mon - 1.21m (+513k)
Tues - 1.15m (+361k)
Wed - 1.15m (+486k)
Thu - 1.21m (+434k)
Frid - 1.14m (+430k)
Sun - 1.05m (+428k)

AVERAGE - 1.152 million

[Rob!]

Thanks guys.

I mean... they’re relatively consistent I guess.

[Rob!]

The on demand ratings seem to have made very little difference in the long run then. Remember when we thought they might push the ratings up to the 1.9m range? :laugh:

[supertv247]

On demand added 30k to each episode :skull:

[Headie]

I wanna know what The Circle's on demand figures are, everywhere I go people are talking about it even tho it's getting less than a million views :skull:

[Rob!]

On demand added 30k to each episode :skull:

I honestly blame that on the fact that My5 is ****ing atrocious.

[Rob!]

It’s about level to last year currently isn’t it?

[pontyboi]

It’s about level to last year currently isn’t it?

Its down 400k or so last years 1st week averaged 1.54.

Does anyone have the ratings for The Circle?

[supertv247]

I wanna know what The Circle's on demand figures are, everywhere I go people are talking about it even tho it's getting less than a million views :skull:

The Top 30 officials for Channel 4 aren't out yet (these don't include on demand viewing), and the total officials (which do count on demand) only count the top 15 - where only two are from The Circle:

Tuesday - 1.59m (+590k) (45k of which was on demand)
Friday - 1.01m (+507k) (60k of which was on demand)

So the rest are below 1.01m (excluding on demand) and will be out later

[Rob!]

Wow The Circle really is a flop. I’m really surprised.

[Ross.]

Wow The Circle really is a flop. I’m really surprised.

Channel 4 sabotaged it with the scheduling!

[RileyH]

The Top 30 officials for Channel 4 aren't out yet (these don't include on demand viewing), and the total officials (which do count on demand) only count the top 15 - where only two are from The Circle:

Tuesday - 1.59m (+590k) (45k of which was on demand)
Friday - 1.01m (+507k) (60k of which was on demand)

So the rest are below 1.01m (excluding on demand) and will be out later

https://i.imgur.com/dTIZKFJ.gif

[supertv247]

Wow The Circle really is a flop. I’m really surprised.

That Friday got 500k overnight and 507k officially so more than doubled itself. Other overnights which got 300-450k probably did even more so, which is quite impressive but yeah, overall kind of disappointing

[Rob!]

I can’t believe how little the on demands actually add :skull:

[supertv247]

I can’t believe how little the on demands actually add :skull:

98.3% of TV is watched on TV and 1.7% is watched in demand :shocked:

[*mazedsalv**]

Look, lets be honest, it is pretty awful, but a 1.28m official for launch, what did we expect? It started off **** and held over 90% of it's launch audience so far. Now, if it the launch got even 300k more, an official of 1.3m-1.4m would have been possible with the same retention.

Launch pretty much mucked it all up from Day 1. It has held pretty amazingly with the crap it had to work with.

Also, even overnights wise, as bad as they look, when you see that the likes of ITV got 800k between 10-11 and under BB's rating from 11-11 30, it puts it in prospective how much of a dying slot it is.

[CiaraNelly2000]

Why is BARB not showing the 17-23 Sep ratings for me on Top 30 or even Top 10. Do you have to make an account now?

[CiaraNelly2000]

The Top 30 officials for Channel 4 aren't out yet (these don't include on demand viewing), and the total officials (which do count on demand) only count the top 15 - where only two are from The Circle:

Tuesday - 1.59m (+590k) (45k of which was on demand)
Friday - 1.01m (+507k) (60k of which was on demand)

So the rest are below 1.01m (excluding on demand) and will be out later

How are you finding the top 30. I can't seem to find this weeks one anywhere.

[y.winter]

No one bothers that much staying up late for a tv show you can catch up the next day.
Channel 4 has made a stupid decision putting TC at 10PM.
Channel 5 are ungrateful as always - even if they don't like the show and can't wait to get rid of it, it's still their flagship program which brings their highest ratings and they're not milking its potential had it been at 9.

[supertv247]

How are you finding the top 30. I can't seem to find this weeks one anywhere.

As I said, I’m not finding the top 30, only the top 15 in the four screen viewer report

[thisisdanny]

Mind you, I'm amazed it's averaged 1.2million tbh. Considering launch was only 1.28 i was expecting it to dip to just below a million, i'm hoping it can keep up the consistency. Fingers crossed.

[T*]

Channel 4 sabotaged it with the scheduling!

It’s more of a trial series so it’s doing well

[T*]

I wanna know what The Circle's on demand figures are, everywhere I go people are talking about it even tho it's getting less than a million views :skull:

Same here omg all of my family is watching

[Rob!]

It’s more of a trial series so it’s doing well

300-600k is not doing well :joker:

[pontyboi]

Where are todays ratings? :/

[Rob!]

It's honestly ridiculous. Why are TV ratings so hard to come by these days? The only thing I've seen anywhere on Digital Spy is that apparently it was up on last Monday.

[JoshBB]

There are a bunch of figures on the Wikipedia page for the first week. It honestly saddens me that BB19's first week averaged just 1.2m when trash like BB15 managed 1.66

[Rob!]

FINALLY have a rating. No idea about the +1 but I'll take what I can get at this stage.

BB: 640k Excl +1 (5.4%)

Up 80k on the ex +1 from last Monday so hopefully close to 700k overall.

[supertv247]

My bad, almost forgot about today’s ratings lol

BB was up 80k on last week

Big Brother - 683k (5.5%) peak - 850k
The Circle - 450k (3.6%)

.

[Rob!]

I mean, it's alright for where it's been at, it's just a shame to see such a great series just limping along till the end. At least it took down The Circle, giving Channel 5 one last hollow victory.

[pontyboi]

My bad, almost forgot about today’s ratings lol

BB was up 80k on last week

Big Brother - 683k (5.5%) peak - 850k
The Circle - 450k (3.6%)

.

Its bad but atleast its rising slightly. Maybe tonight will gain a few more viewers with Kay leaving.

Do you have any idea of The Circles officials yet?

[supertv247]

Official figures for week one of TheCircle (in brackets is what each episode added, those with * don’t include on demand)

Tues - 1.59m (+590k)
Wed - 838k* (+438k)
Thu - 858k* (+408k)
Frid - 1.01m (+510k)
Sun - 603k* (+253k)

*excludes on demand viewing - Tuesday & Friday added 100k with on demand, they were 1.49m and 900k without it

Average - 980k

[Jack_]

^ wow that's a terrible retention

People in this country really have no taste do they?

[Rob!]

Do you think it'll get a second series? I dunno how bad it is compared to Channel 4's usual 10pm slot average.

[Jack_]

I would like to hope so cause surely if they were really committed to it then it would've been at 9pm, but idk, it looks like an expensive show to produce - is it worth it?

It's the best thing they've commissioned in a decade though so if The ****ing Jump can get umpteen series I'd like to hope this can

[Rob!]

I mean if Love Island can go from averaging around 500k for it's first series to being over 5m on it's officials then I would of thought The Circle could continue. Everyone who IS watching it seems to like it.

[supertv247]

I would like to hope so cause surely if they were really committed to it then it would've been at 9pm, but idk, it looks like an expensive show to produce - is it worth it?

It's the best thing they've commissioned in a decade though so if The ****ing Jump can get umpteen series I'd like to hope this can

It did cost a FORTUNE so it depends how confident they are, but I have seen the production company tweet that it’s doubling C4’s 10pm slot average for the key advertising demo so that’s good.

If anything I see them maybe cutting costs and putting it on E4 where it’d be fully capable of the same audience, if not more when BB is not around

[Rob!]

Yeah do you think it's pretty much the same audience as BB? I am honestly amazed that it seems to have barely touched BB in the ratings since it started. Thank God the launch was on at 9.

[Jack_]

I mean if Love Island can go from averaging around 500k for it's first series to being over 5m on it's officials then I would of thought The Circle could continue. Everyone who IS watching it seems to like it.

That's precisely what I'm hoping C4 were thinking when they put it at 10, see how it does as an experiment (like BB in 2000) with the thought of maybe nurturing it and letting it grow naturally like ITV2 did with Love Island

It did cost a FORTUNE so it depends how confident they are, but I have seen the production company tweet that it’s doubling C4’s 10pm slot average for the key advertising demo so that’s good.

If anything I see them maybe cutting costs and putting it on E4 where it’d be fully capable of the same audience, if not more when BB is not around

I'd be happy for it go to E4, just as long as it exists somewhere

[supertv247]

I like to think we’ll see BB rise a little when The Circle ends next week, and likewise I think The Circle would do a LOT better outside of BB, or at 9pm

[pontyboi]

Where are the ratings again cant find them anywhere :(

[Jake.]

I’m lost regarding ratings/updating the OP if anyone is able to help :laugh:

[supertv247]

I’m lost regarding ratings/updating the OP if anyone is able to help :laugh:

Here you go

01: 906k (6.0%) - 1.28m

02: 755k (6.9%) - 1.28m
03: 697k (5.7%) - 1.21m
04: 789k (6.4%) - 1.15m
05: 664k (5.4%) - 1.15m
06: 776k (6.4%) - 1.21m
07: 710k (6.3%) - 1.14m

08: 622k (5.2%) - 1.05m
09: 621k (5.2%)
10: 653k (5.4%)
11: 662k (5.4%)
12: 702k (5.6%)
13: 690k (5.8%)

14: 620k (5.2%)
15: 692k (5.4%)
16. 598k (5.7%)

[supertv247]

and this isn’t nice

least watched episode outside of the 2012 Olympic clashes last night

585.1k / 5.69% including +1

[Rob!]

Bloody hell. The 10:15 start doesn't help.
The Circle got somewhere in the 400k last night apparently.

[Rob!]

Imagine us waiting all day for that bloody figure :laugh2:

[supertv247]

Imagine us waiting all day for that bloody figure :laugh2:

we should just delete this thread :skull:

[Rob!]

Oh well. It'll climb back up to the 600k range tonight one would hope.

God. Imagine the 600k range being a climb :skull:

[Nicky91]

i think one explanation for low ratings for big brother might also be, it's too outdated, maybe the public wants something new, and more into 2018


our big brother also got low ratings at it's final year here 12 years ago, and we were also moaning back then about big brother being too old fashioned

[supertv247]

UPDATE

Monday - 692k (5.4%)
Tuesday - 598k (5.7%)

both slightly up on the original reports

[supertv247]

but still considered the lowest rating ever

[*mazedsalv**]

UPDATE

Monday - 692k (5.4%)
Tuesday - 598k (5.7%)

both slightly up on the original reports

Yeah I don't get that drop when Monday technically got 700k. It can't be just the 15 mins later start surely.

The share proves that there were only around 10.5m people watching TV in the slot instead of around 13m which is the average and what has been normal for 10pm lately.

Just a blip maybe? And back to 680k-700k tonight I think

[Jake.]

Updated the overnights, looks like I’m missing one?
I’ll add the officials later

[Rob!]

610k (4.8%) excl +1 for last night’s which should be in the 650k range overall.

[supertv247]

Updated the overnights, looks like I’m missing one?
I’ll add the officials later

Overnight Ratings -

Launch Night: 905k (6.0%)
Day 1/2: 755k (6.9%)
Day 3: 697k (5.7%)
Day 4: 789k (6.4%)
Day 5: 664 (5.4%)
Day 6: 776k (6.4%)
Day 7 (1st Eviction): 710k (6.3%)
Day 8/9: 622k (5.2%)
Day 10: 653k (5.4%)
Day 11: 662k (5.4%)
Day 12: 702k (5.6%)
Day 13: 690k (5.8%)
Day 14 (2nd Eviction): 620k (5.2%)
Day 15/16: 692k (5.4%)
Day 17: 598k (5.7%)
Day 18: 585.1k (5.69%)

Official Ratings -

Launch Night: 1.28m (+375k)
Day 1/2: 1.27m (+515k)



You’ve got it correct up until day Day 8/9. From Day 10 onwards it should be

Day 10: 621k (5.2%)
Day 11: 653k (5.2%)
Day 12: 662k (5.4%)
Day 13: 702k (5.4%)
Dat 14: 690k (5.8%)
Day 15/16: 620k (5.2%)
Day 17: 692k (5.4%)
Day 18: 598k (5.7%)

and day 19 (last night) isn’t out yet

[Nicky91]

in or around the 600k range then, could've been much worse

[Elliot]

I wanna see how low it can go :skull:

[CiaraNelly2000]

I think the show will definitely increase next week with no circle competition.
I wish Ch5 tried out at least 1 episode at 9pm. Im certain it'd get 800k-1m.
Also the new housemates tomorrow should bring in some more viewers.

[supertv247]

Last night..

655k / 5.2% including +1

50k more but 0.5% less than the night before! Must’ve been a blip in total viewers Tuesday night, or that extra 15 minute wait loses millions of overall people watching TV :shocked:

[Jake.]

Updated the OP, let me know if anything looks incorrect!

[supertv247]

Updated the OP, let me know if anything looks incorrect!

It’s still incorrect from Day 10 onwards

You’ve got it correct up until day Day 8/9. From Day 10 onwards it should be

Day 10: 621k (5.2%)
Day 11: 653k (5.2%)
Day 12: 662k (5.4%)
Day 13: 702k (5.4%)
Dat 14: 690k (5.8%)
Day 15/16: 620k (5.2%)
Day 17: 692k (5.4%)
Day 18: 598k (5.7%)

and day 19 (last night) isn’t out yet

[Jake.]

^ sorry, must have missed your original post!

[Jake.]

Should be ok now?

[*mazedsalv**]

These are all the ratings I believe:

14/9/18- 906k (6.0%)- 1.28m*
16/9/18- 755k (6.9%)- 1.28m*
17/9/18- 697k (5.7%)- 1.21m*
18/9/18- 789k (6.4%)- 1.15m*
19/9/18- 664k (5.4%)- 1.15m*
20/9/18- 776k (6.4%)- 1.21m*
21/9/18- 710k (6.3%)- 1.15m*
23/9/18- 622k (5.2%)- 1.05m*
24/9/18- 621k
25/9/18- 653k
26/9/18- 662k (5.4%)
27/9/18- 702k (5.6%)
28/9/18- 690k
30/9/18- 620k
1/10/18- 692k (5.5%)
2/10/18- 588k (5.7%)
3/10/18- 655k (5.2%)

*official ratings

[supertv247]

Should be ok now?

Yeah looks good! Thanks for doing it

[Jake.]

No problem!

[*mazedsalv**]

Big Brother: 0.66m (5.3%) exc. +1

I believe that is the highest excl +1 rating since Anamelia's eviction.

[Greg!]

slay me

[Rob!]

Wow stratospheric heights of 700k are coming girls!

[pontyboi]

What have the last few days ratings been for The Circle?

[supertv247]

ratings

695.8k / 5.57% // 870.6k peak

Highest since last Thursdays 702k. I'm trying to find what The Circle got

[johne]

I think the ratings for this series don't mean much. I would expect announcing it was being dropped before it started will have caused a significant number to walk away.

[supertv247]

Well there's no rating for the circle because it's not in the top 6 of C4 and it's been going down ever since Monday so...

[pontyboi]

Well there's no rating for the circle because it's not in the top 6 of C4 and it's been going down ever since Monday so...

Its a shame people haven't given it a chance as its been really good. Probably the best reality show this year.

Really looking forward to the final on Monday #teamsian :cheer2:

[Rob!]

I’m pleased last night did well, it was a great episode.

[Aaliyah]

Is BB at 10 beating any of the shows 1hr prior at 9pm on Channel 5?

[Rob!]

I bring nothing but terrible news for last night.

Excl +1

The Circle: 590k
Big Brother: 560k

[RileyH]

Yaaas

[Rob!]

Is BB at 10 beating any of the shows 1hr prior at 9pm on Channel 5?

Didn’t happen last night. The model railway thing got 840k

[pontyboi]

I bring nothing but terrible news for last night.

Excl +1

The Circle: 590k
Big Brother: 560k

Well at least The Circle has climbed hopefully it will get renewed for a 2nd series and has better luck with the ratings just like Love Island did.

Its the perfect replacement for BB when it ends.

[MTVN]

Ouch

[*mazedsalv**]

LOOK AT THIS... even worse than the ratings....

Inc +1:
Big Brother Live Eviction- 581k (4.9%)
* 16-34: 96k (5.3%)

The Circle: 698k (5.3%)
* 16-34: 243k (16.0%)

Big Brother's 16-34 demos have been awful the last few days. More 16 to 34 year olds watched Channel 5's 8pm Railway documentary compared to Big Brother. BB is no longer skewing well among 16 to 34s and does better among middle aged females.

ITS DEAD. DUSTED.

It's been established, the viewers largely don't want a natural series, they want RTV characters who piss the bed and shag around.

There is no point, it's just died a horrible death.

[Elliot]

Hey Isabelle pissed the bed there’s nothing wrong with that

[*mazedsalv**]

Hey Isabelle pissed the bed there’s nothing wrong with that

Talking about Charlotte C tbh

[*mazedsalv**]

That 16-34 is much worse than the ratings in general. It lost almost ALL of the young demo as they switch to The Circle.

That sort of young demo is absoloutley shocking to the point of it being unbelievable.

Wow, what a flop now. There is no way to even reverse these, the young viewers have abandoned the show to it's lowest and that sort of young % is probably the lowest amongst most channels across all days and all genres.

[Elliot]

Yeah unfortunately for the franchise to continue it’d have to completely repackage itself and be marketed to an entirely new audience, thus becoming an entirely different beast. Big brother as a franchise can thrive, but big brother is well and truly dead

[JoshBB]

It's not dead, calm down with the extreme language y'all. The reasons that the show is performing poorly are, predominantly;

- Lack of promotion from Channel 5
- Having the show air at 10pm
- No show on Saturday means that retaining viewers is less easy
- There is FIERCE competition from other reality shows at the moment; The Circle, X Factor, Apprentice, Strictly Come Dancing, Bakeoff are all currently airing. IAC is returning soon too (yikes!)

I genuinely believe the fault is with scheduling/marketing rather than the format of the show, which remains popular.

[supertv247]

http://i63.tinypic.com/fk4p3l.gif

[mxhunter]

It's not dead, calm down with the extreme language y'all. The reasons that the show is performing poorly are, predominantly;

- Lack of promotion from Channel 5
- Having the show air at 10pm
- No show on Saturday means that retaining viewers is less easy
- There is FIERCE competition from other reality shows at the moment; The Circle, X Factor, Apprentice, Strictly Come Dancing, Bakeoff are all currently airing. IAC is returning soon too (yikes!)

I genuinely believe the fault is with scheduling/marketing rather than the format of the show, which remains popular.

People on Digital Spy were blaming BB14's "low" ratings of 1.4/5m on the 10pm slot too . It's aired at 10pm for many years and the figures never used to be anywhere near as bad as they are now. Also weren't the Saturday shows always the lowest rated episodes each week, if anything the lack of episode this series has probably saved the weekly average from dropping even lower

[pontyboi]

It's not dead, calm down with the extreme language y'all. The reasons that the show is performing poorly are, predominantly;

- Lack of promotion from Channel 5
- Having the show air at 10pm
- No show on Saturday means that retaining viewers is less easy
- There is FIERCE competition from other reality shows at the moment; The Circle, X Factor, Apprentice, Strictly Come Dancing, Bakeoff are all currently airing. IAC is returning soon too (yikes!)

I genuinely believe the fault is with scheduling/marketing rather than the format of the show, which remains popular.

So how do you explain The Circle in the same time slot getting a 16% share against BB's 5.3% amongst 16-34 year olds?

Both were on at 10pm so no excuse there and as for promotion that's irrelevant seeing as we are now on week 4.

Its dead, last night proved that the eviction and 2 new housemates was the most lack lustre underwhelming BB episode in as long as I can remember it was such a non event.

Time to let it die and revive it in 5 years or so.

[supertv247]

So how do you explain The Circle in the same time slot getting a 16% share against BB's 5.3% amongst 16-34 year olds?

Both were on at 10pm so no excuse there and as for promotion that's irrelevant seeing as we are now on week 4.

Its dead, last night proved that the eviction and 2 new housemates was the most lack lustre underwhelming BB episode in as long as I can remember it was such a non event.

Time to let it die and revive it in 5 years or so.

Well I’m not defending the ratings bb is pulling, but it did finish at 11:30 while the circle only ended at 11. For plus one viewers that’s half past midnight to watch bb so no wonder the circle pulled it off

[pontyboi]

Well I’m not defending the ratings bb is pulling, but it did finish at 11:30 while the circle only ended at 11. For plus one viewers that’s half past midnight to watch bb so no wonder the circle pulled it off

I just think The Circle is better tbh the editing, the constant twists and cliff hanger endings really make it an entertaining show.

BB in comparison seems less relevant and doesn't really have a place with younger viewers these days.
It seems the majority of people watching it are hardcore fans who were in that demographic when it started 18 years ago but are now mid 30's and above.

Yes the schedule doesn't help If that is the case then it will be reflected in Mondays official figures when we can see how many people are watching it on catch up/online.

[*mazedsalv**]

Do we think that when The Circle ends, it will in any way benefit BB?

Lets be honest, I;m not sure what's up with the yoyo effect.

So Tuesday had 598k, Wednesday had 650k, Thursday had 690k and then Friday had 580k.

It is terrible ratings, but it is clear that the 90 minute episodes are the ones doing worse. like I said Thursdays episode was 690k which was average of what it's been getting, but then yesterday plummets.

It's not like BB was doing any better in the 3 days it aired before Circle anyway, it was still getting around 670-700k, so it won't make much difference.

Tomorrow I'll say 600k.

Monday 640k, Tuesday. 590k and then Wednesday back to 680k.

[Rob!]

I mean...Jesus Christ. How depressing. In all honesty, the only thing we can hope now is that the show is just allowed to continue as is for the rest of the series and die with the hardcore delighted that for them it was a great series. I still think this is the best channel 5 series civilian wise.

[*mazedsalv**]

I mean...Jesus Christ. How depressing. In all honesty, the only thing we can hope now is that the show is just allowed to continue as is for the rest of the series and die with the hardcore delighted that for them it was a great series. I still think this is the best channel 5 series civilian wise.

Just watch them try to do something drastic for Wednesday's HL show as that will be the first time it's not facing The Circle.

[*mazedsalv**]

CBB proved that people are still interested in CBB. People try and stay away from civilian BB.

Ratings for CBB22:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_22_(UK)

The demand was still there for that, which makes me feel that in the future, someone else will just want CBB and not BB

[Morgan.]

It needs to be rebranded with the North American format (we've had gameplay in The Circle, and viewers have enjoyed the Game Changer) and make it a clear disassociation from the previous format. Then see how it goes and what people think.

[*mazedsalv**]

It needs to be rebranded with the North American format (we've had gameplay in The Circle, and viewers have enjoyed the Game Changer) and make it a clear disassociation from the previous format. Then see how it goes and what people think.

I;m sorry, but i'm starting to think that the gameplay is what turned people away quite frankly.

[pontyboi]

I;m sorry, but i'm starting to think that the gameplay is what turned people away quite frankly.

Me to I think the whole game changer thing is boring and the public vote seems pointless.

The tasks are really well put together and are the best they have been in years they really need to do weekly shopping tasks and scrap the whole big coins ect.

It doesn't really go in favour of getting the casual viewer tuning in either the whole game thing means they would literally have to catch up on previous episodes because its just confusing.

[mxhunter]

We do not need the American format. If we want to watch the American format we can watch BBUS or BBCAN. BBUK peaked around 5-7. If the show ever returns in the future and wants a chance at success, it needs to look at more closely replicating those seasons than the American ones.

[MTVN]

BBs largest audience has always been older than most reality tv shows though and predominantly female. It's not so much that they've lost the 16-30s but they never really had that many of them in the first place compared to something like LI

[Elliot]

Making bbuk the american format is a terrible idea lmfao it won’t sit well with its current demographic and I struggle to see it gaining traction with a new one

[*mazedsalv**]

Perhaps BB will increase a tiny but after Circle ends?

Not like it means anything

[y.winter]

Shocked that Circle finally surpassed BB. But credit where credit's due - TC is a well edited, well executed and exciting new format - it deserves even much more than that.

I blame it on the 10pm joke. This is an utter rubbish.
Endemol should sue Channel 5 for killing the reputation of their format. The production is good, but C5 is just terrible at giving it the right platform.

[JoshBB]

So how do you explain The Circle in the same time slot getting a 16% share against BB's 5.3% amongst 16-34 year olds?

Both were on at 10pm so no excuse there and as for promotion that's irrelevant seeing as we are now on week 4.

It is relevant. Channel 4 have been RIGOROUSLY promoting the show, it's almost unavoidable on Instagram for example. Big Brother had a slight promotion with the bilboard thing in London, but that's basically it.

CBB proved that people are still interested in CBB. People try and stay away from civilian BB.

Ratings for CBB22:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Big_Brother_22_(UK)

The demand was still there for that, which makes me feel that in the future, someone else will just want CBB and not BB

I find this so, so depressing. BB is superior to CBB massively, and I can't understand why people avoid civilian.

It needs to be rebranded with the North American format (we've had gameplay in The Circle, and viewers have enjoyed the Game Changer) and make it a clear disassociation from the previous format. Then see how it goes and what people think.

No, no, no. If anything, the gameplay element hasn't gone down massively well with neither the casual viewers nor (to a lesser extent) hardcore fans.

[Jack_]

It's quite simple. Channel 5 have deliberately and systematically run this show into the ground from day one.

They never had any interest in the civilian version, and that has been proven time and time again. Launching with CBB in 2011, then getting greedy and deciding to run two series a year even when it became clear it wasn't paying off. Wasting time, wasting money, overexposing the show. Cutting the length of the civilian run to accommodate it, then cutting it to its shortest ever length when viewers were finally tiring of the whole thing. The constant interference from broadcaster to production team. Pressing the panic button on series that start off naturally (BB16) with desperate rating-grabbings stunts that flop and ruin everything. The refusal to budge on live feed. The lack of transparency. The tacky, inconsistent, desperate production that has plagued this show for much of its life on C5. Never listening to viewers except when it's too late. The head of programmes talking it down at conferences. The lack of respect. It goes on, and on, and on, and on...

The reason people prefer Celebrity Big Brother is because C5 made a concerted effort to ensure that was the case. The reason the whole show is now tired is because they've overexposed it to **** over the last seven years. They are a diabolical broadcaster that have got their money's worth from this format, and then trampled on it over and over again, before kicking it to the curb.

It's too little, too late. The series launched on the wrong day, at the wrong time of year, and the format is tired. It was never going to recover. Re: the gameplay debate, it makes no difference - the ratings are heading south and were anyway regardless of the format. If anything, the dreadful eviction order is not helping.

So that's where we're at. The show is over. It either needs a long break, or a total revamp and format change preferably on an online platform. You choose.

[Elliot]

It's quite simple. Channel 5 have deliberately and systematically run this show into the ground from day one.

They never had any interest in the civilian version, and that has been proven time and time again. Launching with CBB in 2011, then getting greedy and deciding to run two series a year even when it became clear it wasn't paying off. Wasting time, wasting money, overexposing the show. Cutting the length of the civilian run to accommodate it, then cutting it to its shortest ever length when viewers were finally tiring of the whole thing. The constant interference from broadcaster to production team. Pressing the panic button on series that start off naturally (BB16) with desperate rating-grabbings stunts that flop and ruin everything. The refusal to budge on live feed. The lack of transparency. The tacky, inconsistent, desperate production that has plagued this show for much of its life on C5. Never listening to viewers except when it's too late. The head of programmes talking it down at conferences. The lack of respect. It goes on, and on, and on, and on...

The reason people prefer Celebrity Big Brother is because C5 made a concerted effort to ensure that was the case. The reason the whole show is now tired is because they've overexposed it to **** over the last seven years. They are a diabolical broadcaster that have got their money's worth from this format, and then trampled on it over and over again, before kicking it to the curb.

It's too little, too late. The series launched on the wrong day, at the wrong time of year, and the format is tired. It was never going to recover. Re: the gameplay debate, it makes no difference - the ratings are heading south and were anyway regardless of the format. If anything, the dreadful eviction order is not helping.

So that's where we're at. The show is over. It either needs a long break, or a total revamp and format change preferably on an online platform. You choose.

It’s awfully tragic I agree with all this

[pontyboi]

It's quite simple. Channel 5 have deliberately and systematically run this show into the ground from day one.

They never had any interest in the civilian version, and that has been proven time and time again. Launching with CBB in 2011, then getting greedy and deciding to run two series a year even when it became clear it wasn't paying off. Wasting time, wasting money, overexposing the show. Cutting the length of the civilian run to accommodate it, then cutting it to its shortest ever length when viewers were finally tiring of the whole thing. The constant interference from broadcaster to production team. Pressing the panic button on series that start off naturally (BB16) with desperate rating-grabbings stunts that flop and ruin everything. The refusal to budge on live feed. The lack of transparency. The tacky, inconsistent, desperate production that has plagued this show for much of its life on C5. Never listening to viewers except when it's too late. The head of programmes talking it down at conferences. The lack of respect. It goes on, and on, and on, and on...

The reason people prefer Celebrity Big Brother is because C5 made a concerted effort to ensure that was the case. The reason the whole show is now tired is because they've overexposed it to **** over the last seven years. They are a diabolical broadcaster that have got their money's worth from this format, and then trampled on it over and over again, before kicking it to the curb.

It's too little, too late. The series launched on the wrong day, at the wrong time of year, and the format is tired. It was never going to recover. Re: the gameplay debate, it makes no difference - the ratings are heading south and were anyway regardless of the format. If anything, the dreadful eviction order is not helping.

So that's where we're at. The show is over. It either needs a long break, or a total revamp and format change preferably on an online platform. You choose.

Brilliant post.

I agree with literally everything you've just said.

I think its way to early to start it again whether it be on another channel or online Channel 5 have run it into the ground and even as a massive fan I want it to end this year for the sake of whatever dignity it has left and come back in about 5 years so we can get the hype and excitement back which has been lacking for civilian BB since its move to Channel 5 7 years ago.

Time to bury it for a while because these ratings aren't going to improve wherever it goes its been washed, rinsed and repeated for to long.

[Jase.]

It's quite simple. Channel 5 have deliberately and systematically run this show into the ground from day one.

They never had any interest in the civilian version, and that has been proven time and time again. Launching with CBB in 2011, then getting greedy and deciding to run two series a year even when it became clear it wasn't paying off. Wasting time, wasting money, overexposing the show. Cutting the length of the civilian run to accommodate it, then cutting it to its shortest ever length when viewers were finally tiring of the whole thing. The constant interference from broadcaster to production team. Pressing the panic button on series that start off naturally (BB16) with desperate rating-grabbings stunts that flop and ruin everything. The refusal to budge on live feed. The lack of transparency. The tacky, inconsistent, desperate production that has plagued this show for much of its life on C5. Never listening to viewers except when it's too late. The head of programmes talking it down at conferences. The lack of respect. It goes on, and on, and on, and on...

The reason people prefer Celebrity Big Brother is because C5 made a concerted effort to ensure that was the case. The reason the whole show is now tired is because they've overexposed it to **** over the last seven years. They are a diabolical broadcaster that have got their money's worth from this format, and then trampled on it over and over again, before kicking it to the curb.

It's too little, too late. The series launched on the wrong day, at the wrong time of year, and the format is tired. It was never going to recover. Re: the gameplay debate, it makes no difference - the ratings are heading south and were anyway regardless of the format. If anything, the dreadful eviction order is not helping.

So that's where we're at. The show is over. It either needs a long break, or a total revamp and format change preferably on an online platform. You choose.

Ugh. So much truth.

[supertv247]

Tbh the younger demo just seem to point blank refuse to watch Big Brother now, no matter what happens it’s been on for so long and they are all just over it. I don’t know why.

The only way I can see a future for the show, is for it to take a long break, and then have a huge relaunch to the generation of people who (at this moment in time) don’t even know what Big Brother is. Just like how Love Island became huge and yet like only 5% of those 5 million viewers knew it was a show made 12 years ago originally.

It’s sad, but it’s all I can see it doing. For civilian bb anyway

[Greg!]

Idg how the young demo is so high for CBB but so low for normal BB

[supertv247]

Ratings...

Big Brother - 573k (5.08%) *a new low
The Circle - 647k (5.05%) *finishes tonight

[Jake.]

^ that with +1?

[supertv247]

^ that with +1?

Yesss

[supertv247]

Unfortunately

[pontyboi]

Officials are in, don't think these include My5 though?

Still rubbish seeing as that only adds around 30k

Monday- 990k
Tuesday- 1.04m
Wednesday- 1.02m
Thursday- 1.05m
Friday- 1.04m
Sunday- 1.01m

So official ratings so far excluding My5 for the 2nd week:

BB launch- 1.33m
Sunday- 1.21m
Mon - 1.21m
Tues - 1.15m
Wed - 1.15m
Thu - 1.21m
Fri - 1.14m
Mon- 990k
Tues- 1.04m
Wed- 1.02m
Thur- 1.05m
Fri- 1.04m
Sun- 1.01m

At least they are all 1 million I guess but next weeks officials wont be.

Can anyone find The Circles officials? Cant believe nobody has been able to :/

[supertv247]

The new system only shows the Top 15 (with the 4 screen data, so including on demand) and The Circle barely makes C4's top 15 of the week. It might when officials come out later today if word of mouth has picked it up a lot, but I doubt it

[supertv247]

The Circle officially averaged 811k last week across all 6 episodes - excluding on demand. All4 does much better than My5 so I think that would be closer to 1 million officially, certainly over 900k at least.

[pontyboi]

The Circle officially averaged 811k last week across all 6 episodes - excluding on demand. All4 does much better than My5 so I think that would be closer to 1 million officially, certainly over 900k at least.

I think it will push 1 million as you said All4 is a much better service than My5 and i would imagine The Circle would attract a lot more younger viewers.

[supertv247]

Big Brother official ratings w/e sept 30th with what each episode added (including on demand) in brackets.

Mon - 1.03m (+418k)
Tues - 1.08m (+427k)
Wed - 1.06m (+398k)
Thu - 1.08m (+383k)
Frid - 1.08m (+390k)
Sun - 1.05m (+430k)

WEEK AVERAGE - 1.06 million

[Rob!]

I hope at the very least it stays above a million in officals. Last year wasn’t a million miles from those numbers.

[supertv247]

Here’s the full ratings so far then (for OP)

01: 906k (6.0%) - 1.28m

02: 755k (6.9%) - 1.28m
03: 697k (5.7%) - 1.21m
04: 789k (6.4%) - 1.15m
05: 664k (5.4%) - 1.15m
06: 776k (6.4%) - 1.21m
07: 710k (6.3%) - 1.14m

08: 622k (5.2%) - 1.05m
09: 621k (5.2%) - 1.03m
10: 653k (5.4%) - 1.08m
11: 662k (5.4%) - 1.06m
12: 702k (5.6%) - 1.08m
13: 690k (5.8%) - 1.08m

14: 620k (5.2%) - 1.05m
15: 692k (5.4%)
16: 598k (5.7%)
17: 655k (5.2%)
18: 696k (5.6%)
19: 580k (5.0%)

20: 573k (5.1%)


I’m worried those last few overnights will end up with officials below 1 million, but with the circle ending tonight hopefully numbers will grow ever enough to just hold the series average above 1m.

[JoshBB]

On the bright side, this year's BB is showing good viewer retention. Just need a better launch figure for BB20 (better promotion etc) and maybe it can pick up a bit

[Captain.Remy]

On the bright side, this year's BB is showing good viewer retention. Just need a better launch figure for BB20 (better promotion etc) and maybe it can pick up a bit

What BB20?

[Elliot]

What BB20?

On Facebook duh

[Rob!]

Inc +1

The Circle: 615k (5.4%)

Big Brother: 624k (5.1%)

Surprisingly, BB beats The Circle on it’s finale night, though not by anything spectacular.

Cameron LGBT king did that?

[supertv247]

I am totally baffled, the circle beat big brother on Friday and Sunday with 700k too! Good on bb for holding its ground with a gripping story I guess, goes to show

[Elliot]

The taste of the viewing public continues to perplex

[Greg!]

Mess I was expecting it to get about 200k against the circle Final. A scream that it beat it!

[supertv247]

I expected 500k vs 1m :laugh: welp kinda disappointed though cause I absolutely loved the circle and the final was incredible - but it looked expensive af, not sure it was worth 600k viewers... Hope it doesn't put them off a second series