Sian mocking Lewis F"Ahh am getting anxious sat in a massive room"

[reece(:]

Did anyone else SCREAM?

[RileyH]

I ****ing love her

[Vanessa]

I can't stand her. She's so boring and bland.

[Jake.]

It was brilliant and so true as well

[Matthew.]

who’s sian

[Calderyon]

She spoke the truth about Lewis Foul.

[rusticgal]

who’s sian


The one with a face like a smacked arse..:hee:

[Calderyon]

I can't stand her. She's so boring and bland.

If it was against anyone except "Saint Lewis" you would not care.

[Vanessa]

The one with a face like a smacked arse..:hee:

Shw does :joker:

[rusticgal]

If it was against anyone except "Saint Lewis" you would not care.


...and nor would anyone else.

It's funny how Sian has done **** all for 3 weeks then comes out with one comment against Lewis and she's suddenly a 'queen' and a winner with some people.

[Matthew.]

The one with a face like a smacked arse..:hee:

thought that was isaac?

[reece(:]

...and nor would anyone else.

It's funny how Sian has done **** all for 3 weeks then comes out with one comment against Lewis and she's suddenly a 'queen' and a winner with some people.

Neither of those terms have been mentioned? :unsure: and RileyH has been her fan since launch :laugh:

[Jase.]

Who the **** is Sian

[rusticgal]

Neither of those terms have been mentioned? :unsure: and RileyH has been her fan since launch :laugh:

No but I've seen it on others.

[Withano]

Only funny thing shes ever done in her life probably.

[reece(:]

Whew who knew such a dullard could incite such hate from others!

[Black Dagger]

Oh she's woke up has she?

[Vanessa]

...and nor would anyone else.

It's funny how Sian has done **** all for 3 weeks then comes out with one comment against Lewis and she's suddenly a 'queen' and a winner with some people.

:clap1:

[Vanessa]

If it was against anyone except "Saint Lewgis" you would not care.

She's wallpaper.

[Kazanne]

...and nor would anyone else.

It's funny how Sian has done **** all for 3 weeks then comes out with one comment against Lewis and she's suddenly a 'queen' and a winner with some people.

Well on point again rusti,:laugh: it doesn't take much to be called a queen on here, boring Sian with nothing to say but mock someone.

[Calderyon]

She's wallpaper.

Whether she is or not, I doubt you cared if the target to her words wasn't Lewis F.

[Vanessa]

Whether she is or not, I doubt you cared if the target to her words wasn't Lewis F.

I would still say she's deadly dull.

[rusticgal]

Oh she's woke up has she?


She's surfaced a couple of times to throw out a bitchy comment...

[RileyH]

Stay pressed bitches

https://i.imgur.com/HKXUTCv.gif

[rusticgal]

Well on point again rusti,:laugh: it doesn't take much to be called a queen on here, boring Sian with nothing to say but mock someone.



:wavey:

[Calderyon]

I would still say she's deadly dull.

Not sure about that.

Would you have said you hated her, if the target was someone else that Lewis F? I really doubt that.

[Vanessa]

Not sure about that.

Would you have said you hated her, if the target was someone else that Lewis F. I really doubt that.

I don't hate her really. I just find her boring and mean.

[Calderyon]

I don't hate her really. I just find her boring and mean.

So would you have had the same opinion if the target was Tomasz for example. I don't think so.

[Vicky.]

So would you have had the same opinion if the target was Tomasz for example. I don't think so.

Ahh am getting tired being stood up for a few mins instead of lying on my belly

Would be the best thing ever said on BB. I expect :laugh:

[Vanessa]

So would you have had the same opinion if the target was Tomasz for example. I don't think so.

I would still think she was boring.

[Kazanne]

I would still think she was boring.

As they say tea spilled:laugh:

[Vanessa]

As they say tea spilled:laugh:

She's also not a very nice person. She reminds me of one of my work mates. A right sourpuss :joker:

[RileyH]

How is she not very nice :joker: Just because she said one comment about Lewis?

[Calderyon]

I would still think she was boring.

But would you hate her, think she is mean? Or react in anyway if it was someone else, I do not think so.

[JoshBB]

what is a sian

[hijaxers]

Did anyone else SCREAM?

Actually no - i never SCREAM i have a chuckle , a belly laugh etc... scream no - i'm not neurotic !

[Vanessa]

How is she not very nice :joker: Just because she said one comment about Lewis?

It's just little comments she makes sometimes. It gives me that impression.

[Vanessa]

But would you hate her, think she is mean? Or react in anyway if it was someone else, I do not think so.

i don't hate her. I just don't like her.

[Calderyon]

How is she not very nice :joker: Just because she said one comment about Lewis?

It's Lewis the holy one, Saint Lewis, don't you know. Any criticism against him is a sin apparently. :hehe:

[Calderyon]

i don't hate her. I just don't like her.

And that's because she dared to say something negative about Lewis F.

[Vanessa]

And that's because she dared to say something negative about Lewis F.

No, it's the little bitchy comments she makes sometimes.

[Calderyon]

No, it's the little bitchy comments she makes sometimes.

How many bitchy comments has Lewis F made?

[Elliot]

In all fairness she does seem kinda nasty. She seemed passive aggressive over the cabbage yesterday and didn’t seem too fond of the newcomer

[RileyH]

How many bitchy comments has Lewis F made?

:hehe:

[Vanessa]

How many bitchy comments has Lewis F made?

I just don't think he's nasty though. Just my opinion.

[rusticgal]

And that's because she dared to say something negative about Lewis F.


...and tbf if someone said anything bitchy towards your favourite you wouldn't like it either.

[Vanessa]

In all fairness she does seem kinda nasty. She seemed passive aggressive over the cabbage yesterday and didn’t seem too fond of the newcomer

I don;t want to be mean, but she seems like a right bitch to me.

[Vanessa]

...and tbf if someone said anything bitchy towards your favourite you wouldn't like it either.

Spot on!

[Calderyon]

I just don't think he's nasty though. Just my opinion.

He is. Just my opinion.

[Vanessa]

He is. Just my opinion.
We will have to agree to disagree on this

[Calderyon]

...and tbf if someone said anything bitchy towards your favourite you wouldn't like it either.

Everything she said was spot on though.

[Vanessa]

She's getting on my nerves, to be honest, I liked her better when she was invisible.

[rusticgal]

In all fairness she does seem kinda nasty. She seemed passive aggressive over the cabbage yesterday and didn’t seem too fond of the newcomer


She comes across as very cold. She isn't warm and approachable and has an air about her that she thinks she's top dog in there...
She is all about snide remarks...no conversation or debate just one liners. What's there to like?

[Jack_]

*Kelly Rowland voice*

who knew she had a personality OWWWWWW

[Vanessa]

She comes across as very cold. She isn't warm and approachable and has an air about her that she thinks she's top dog in there...
She is all about snide remarks...no conversation or debate just one liners. What's there to like?

Yes. I don't get good vibes from her at all. I much prefer Zoe. Now she's warm and friendly.

[rusticgal]

Everything she said was spot on though.

That's irrelevant...

[y.winter]

The Circle's Sian left unbothered?

[Calderyon]

She's getting on my nerves, to be honest, I liked her better when she was invisible.

She is only getting on your nerves because of Lewis F. Just admit it.

[Calderyon]

That's irrelevant...

How?

[Vanessa]

She is only getting on your nerves because of Lewis F. Just admit it.

No. i think she's a bitch.

[JerseyWins]

Last I watched she was one of the few showing potential (w/ barely an edit :laugh:)

https://i.imgur.com/HKXUTCv.gif

[Jase.]

She is only getting on your nerves because of Lewis F. Just admit it.

Somebody may ACTUALLY think Sian's a miserable cow and it not have ANYTHING to do with Lewis F. Just accept that fact and move on.

[Vanessa]

Somebody may ACTUALLY think Sian's a miserable cow and it not have ANYTHING to do with Lewis F. Just accept that fact and move on.

:clap1:

[Calderyon]

No. i think she's a bitch.

If she is a bitch, then Lewis F is the biggest bitch of them all.

[Vanessa]

If she is a bitch, then Lewis F is the biggest bitch of them all.

We will have to agree to disgree on this.

[Calderyon]

Somebody may ACTUALLY think Sian's a miserable cow and it not have ANYTHING to do with Lewis F. Just accept that fact and move on.

Maybe, but not Lewis F worshippers. You cannot say anything negative about Saint Lewis apparently.

[Jase.]

Maybe, but not Lewis F worshippers. You cannot say anything negative about Saint Lewis apparently.

Fake news considering he's my fave and I was moaning about the way Lewis acted last night in the live thread. Nice try!

[Calderyon]

Fake news considering he's my fave and I was moaning about the way Lewis acted last night in the live thread. Nice try!

Good on you. Hopefully "others" take on your example.

[rusticgal]

How?

If Someone made a sarcastic comment about someone you liked..you wouldn't like it whether or not it was true or false...

[Beso]

Did anyone else SCREAM?

£5 e/w at 11/1 :dance:

[Amy Jade]

I pissed it was dilivered so dry and it was just perfect

[rusticgal]

Maybe, but not Lewis F worshippers. You cannot say anything negative about Saint Lewis apparently.

Not worshippers..fans. It's what fans do..defend who they like. It's human nature.

[Beso]

Maybe, but not Lewis F worshippers. You cannot say anything negative about Saint Lewis apparently.

He's a.:smug: ****

[rusticgal]

I pissed it was dilivered so dry and it was just perfect


Shame she didn't have the balls to say it to his face..:laugh:

[Calderyon]

If Someone made a sarcastic comment about someone you liked..you wouldn't like it whether or not it was true or false...

Maybe, maybe not, you cannot say that for certain. Maybe it would depend whether it was true or not.

[Beso]

If she is a bitch, then Lewis F is the biggest bitch of them all.

Haha, yeah, very true.

Calling everyone snakes and stuff, shouting like some corner shop Nicky Graeme in the diary room.

[GoldHeart]

Shame she didn't have the balls to say it to his face..:laugh:

Actually I agree , I think they were too patient with Lewis and his silly tantrum :facepalm:

[Beso]

Shame she didn't have the balls to say it to his face..:laugh:

His slapped arse face, that he's hid in the diary room behind everyone's back with....seriously never seen such a miserable tosser in my life.

[rusticgal]

His slapped arse face, seriously never seen such a miserable tossed in my life.

Well that's my opinion on Sian...but that's my opinion. At least we see him have conversations..

[Amy Jade]

Lewis F is nastier than Sian.

Infact he basically made Kay leave the house. He had no respect for her boundaries at all, Lewis fans are attempting to manipulate the situation to make her seem awful when all she did was call out his fake little tantrum.

Plus Lewis was so selfish. He wanted Akeem moved when he could have been going hom the next day. Selfish arrogant prick wanted it his way though so threw a wobbler like a child being told no to a kinder egg at the tills in a shop. PATHETIC!

[Beso]

Well that's my opinion on Sian...but that's my opinion. At least we see him have conversations..

See him, yeah true. But do we listen?



No, no we bloody don't.

Sian on the other hand, quality over quantity.

[Beso]

Lewis F is nastier than Sian.

Infact he basically made Kay leave the house. He had no respect for her boundaries at all, Lewis fans are attempting to manipulate the situation to make her seem awful when all she did was call out his fake little tantrum.

Plus Lewis was so selfish. He wanted Akeem moved when he could have been going hom the next day. Selfish arrogant prick wanted it his way though so threw a wobbler like a child being told no to a kinder egg at the tills in a shop. PATHETIC!

He actually sounds like a mother goose choking on a kinder egg toy.o... And looked like one with his little plane strop, all flappy n running wild...

[Amy Jade]

Quite disrespectful towards people who suffer genuine panick attacks but proof if we needed any the bloke is fake fake fake

[Elliot]

Kay would’ve walked anyway. She threatened to walk on two different occasions with incidents that had nothing to do with Lewis

[armand.kay]

...and nor would anyone else.

It's funny how Sian has done **** all for 3 weeks then comes out with one comment against Lewis and she's suddenly a 'queen' and a winner with some people.

Well on point again rusti,:laugh: it doesn't take much to be called a queen on here, boring Sian with nothing to say but mock someone.

You girlies have been on here for a while surely you understand the forums humour by now? Or even if you don't completly get it I didn't think it would take much to work out that if a housemate does a minor good act and someone posts "winner?" In respose to that minor act they're probably not being serious....

[Cal.]

Ice queen Sian is the new alpha of the house

https://i.imgur.com/HKXUTCv.gif

[armand.kay]

So, Sian's BBUK's final winner?

[Vicky.]

If Someone made a sarcastic comment about someone you liked..you wouldn't like it whether or not it was true or false...

Not worshippers..fans. It's what fans do..defend who they like. It's human nature.

This kind of thing is so odd to me. This total refusal to acknowledge that a fave has done wrong, or that someone may have a point when they say something even slightly negative about a fave.

Of course, not all viewers are the same, but it seems a lot are..it seems a lot more prevalant on FB than on here mind...but a fair few on here do it too. Its always puzzled me how one can base their opinions on every other HM in the house, around how their fave acts/who their fave likes/who their fave hates/etc. Rather than having separate opinions on separate housemates and being able to see beyond the ...tribalism of 'my fave is perfect and never does wrong' type thing :laugh: Having said that, its quite common for me to enjoy BOTH of the final 2, where they generally are arch enemies. Might well be me thats weird :D

[Vanessa]

This kind of thing is so odd to me. This total refusal to acknowledge that a fave has done wrong, or that someone may have a point when they say something even slightly negative about a fave.

Of course, not all viewers are the same, but it seems a lot are..it seems a lot more prevalant on FB than on here mind...but a fair few on here do it too. Its always puzzled me how one can base their opinions on every other HM in the house, around how their fave acts/who their fave likes/who their fave hates/etc. Rather than having separate opinions on separate housemates and being able to see beyond the ...tribalism of 'my fave is perfect and never does wrong' type thing :laugh:

But us Lewis fans , we know exactly what he's like. He has flaws, but we still like him. But no one is perfect, everyone has good and bad sides to their personality.

[Vicky.]

But us Lewis fans , we know exactly what he's like. He has flaws, but we still like him. But no one is perfect, everyone has good and bad sides to their personality.

Good for you?

I am not speaking about fans of any housemate in particular anyway. Just an observation, that I think of year after year.

[Vanessa]

Good for you?

I am not speaking about fans of any housemate in particular anyway. Just an observation, that I think of year after year.

Of course. But that happens with every fanbase. You get people who can be objective and others who cannot.

[Pink Panther]

I missed this scene was it in the eviction episode or the one before?

[GoldHeart]

I missed this scene was it in the eviction episode or the one before?

It was in the eviction episode , the last day of the task where they had to "fly" back to the UK .

[Vicky.]

Of course. But that happens with every fanbase. You get people who can be objective and others who cannot.

Yes. Hence me saying its not about fans of anyone in particular. Just an observation that amuses me year after year. No idea how anyone can watch the show that way, literally totally revolved around one housemate..basing all of their opinions on every single other housemate on if they are currently saying something negative about the housemate they are obsessed with, or if their chosen one becomes friendly with someone...that person is suddenly brilliant too but beware if they ever have a bicker as then that new found fantastic housemate will become the devil. Etc.

[tanussa]

wonder why shes low down in the polls, could it be cos of her hard face, cold heart & just god damn boring.

[Amy Jade]

Of course. But that happens with every fanbase. You get people who can be objective and others who cannot.

There is being objective and then there is flat out pretending to see something to justify certain behaviour.

Like you pretending you think Lewis was genuinely distressed in the plane task for example.

[Dollface]

No she came across like a total bitch

[tanussa]

I think he had reason to be distressed.
he was well aware that they had all been gossiping about him around the pool the night before.
they ignored him when he asked if he could be in first class & to top that off they sat him on his own again when he could have been with his only real friend in the house, cameron.
why should lewis be seated on his own for both journeys. they are really singleing him out & being nasty with him

[Vanessa]

I think he had reason to be distressed.
he was well aware that they had all been gossiping about him around the pool the night before.
they ignored him when he asked if he could be in first class & to top that off they sat him on his own again when he could have been with his only real friend in the house, cameron.
why should lewis be seated on his own for both journeys. they are really singleing him out & being nasty with him

when zoe suggested him for first class , thomas said no. the twat :fist:

[tanussa]

when zoe suggested him for first class , thomas said no. the twat :fist:

he really has too much influence on some of the HMs & with his dislike for lewis that is bad news

[Liam-]

Mocking someone’s distress isn’t amusing to me, so no.

[Jase.]

So, Sian's BBUK's final winner?

IMAGINE :laugh2:

[rusticgal]

See him, yeah true. But do we listen?




No, no we bloody don't.

Sian on the other hand, quality over quantity.



Just because you choose not to listen does not mean others don't...

As for Sian...she has no qualities at all IMO...

[Jase.]

I just can't fathom/don't get how anybody can support Sian? She literally doesn't do anything? :joker:

[rusticgal]

Lewis F is nastier than Sian.

Infact he basically made Kay leave the house.


I missed that...did he frog March her out with her arm pinned behind her back. :laugh:

[tanussa]

Lewis F is nastier than Sian.

Infact he basically made Kay leave the house. He had no respect for her boundaries at all, Lewis fans are attempting to manipulate the situation to make her seem awful when all she did was call out his fake little tantrum.

Plus Lewis was so selfish. He wanted Akeem moved when he could have been going hom the next day. Selfish arrogant prick wanted it his way though so threw a wobbler like a child being told no to a kinder egg at the tills in a shop. PATHETIC!

kay had been on the verge of leaving the house so many times, she was simply ready to go. if she hadnt gone then it would have been later that evening, the next day, she was never going to last the course

[poppsywoppsy]

I think Sian had to find something to make her relevant as her showmance had just been kicked out of the door and her mate Brooke had just had a go at Lewis, telling lies about the conversation.

Also Cian was beefing about him as well for knocking back his attempt on Cameron.

Also, I notice there seems to be a pattern on here that those who support the most outrageous housemates in whatever atrocious behaviour they do.

When they are kicked out, they then support the next disliked and will defend them to the death, never acknowledge their faults and big up their dire acts.

It's like being a rebel just for the sake of it. It is noticeable that it is the same posters though, bless their little cotton socks.

[rusticgal]

This kind of thing is so odd to me. This total refusal to acknowledge that a fave has done wrong, or that someone may have a point when they say something even slightly negative about a fave.

Of course, not all viewers are the same, but it seems a lot are..it seems a lot more prevalant on FB than on here mind...but a fair few on here do it too. Its always puzzled me how one can base their opinions on every other HM in the house, around how their fave acts/who their fave likes/who their fave hates/etc. Rather than having separate opinions on separate housemates and being able to see beyond the ...tribalism of 'my fave is perfect and never does wrong' type thing :laugh: Having said that, its quite common for me to enjoy BOTH of the final 2, where they generally are arch enemies. Might well be me thats weird :D


The thing is Vicky...I do see his faults and I have said on other posts that Lewis thinks he is always right and repeats himself time and time again until people see it his way..which gets tiresome.
He also made himself a victim to Lewis G..cutting himself off. So he has his faults...he isn't my fave..in fact I don't have one this year. However He isn't as bad as people say he is. He is stubborn and headstrong but he isn't nasty IMO.

[Amy Jade]

I just can't fathom/don't get how anybody can support Sian? She literally doesn't do anything? :joker:

She perfectly analyzed Lewis F and his temper tantrum. Good enough for me!

http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

[Jase.]

She perfectly analyzed Lewis F and his temper tantrum. Good enough for me!

http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

And yet she welcomed him back like she hadn't been analyzing him at all!

http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

[Amy Jade]

And yet she welcomed him back like she hadn't been analyzing him at all!

http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

You mean she clocked him for being fake without causing an argument so he could drone on about it all week? What fab game play!

http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

[rusticgal]

You mean she clocked him for being fake without causing an argument so he could drone on about it all week? What fab game play!

http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

Not really...just showed her to be a two faced bitch..

[Elliot]

You mean she clocked him for being fake without causing an argument so he could drone on about it all week? What fab game play!

http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

We love someone who wastes a housemate slot by not speaking at all until the final


http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

[Jase.]

You mean she clocked him for being fake without causing an argument so he could drone on about it all week? What fab game play!

http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

I guess if you wanna try and come up with another way of phrasing she acted like a fake bitch, well, that's cute I guess!

If it was Kay having the tantrum and Sian had said that about her, we all know how you'd react sis!

http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

[Jase.]

We love someone who wastes a housemate slot by not speaking at all until the final


http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

:laugh2:

[rusticgal]

We love someone who wastes a housemate slot by not speaking at all until the final


http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg


:thumbs:

[tanussa]

She perfectly analyzed Lewis F and his temper tantrum. Good enough for me!

http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

it wouldnt hold up in court

[Amy Jade]

I guess if you wanna try and come up with another way of phrasing she acted like a fake bitch, well, that's cute I guess!

If it was Kay having the tantrum and Sian had said that about her, we all know how you'd react sis!

http://oi41.tinypic.com/dtshf.jpg

Well no because I didn't like Kay because of how she looked so I wouldn't just mindlessly defend her like some fans do if they like how someone looks

https://78.media.tumblr.com/993fd9f93d482224db68a896bf202969/tumblr_mwwebyfwk41qj313lo2_100.gif

[Jase.]

Well no because I didn't like Kay because of how she looked so I wouldn't just mindlessly defend her like some fans do if they like how someone looks

https://78.media.tumblr.com/993fd9f93d482224db68a896bf202969/tumblr_mwwebyfwk41qj313lo2_100.gif

Not particularly relevant to me considering I call out Lew's behaviour but keep defending one of the dullest housemates in the history of the show I guess?

https://78.media.tumblr.com/993fd9f93d482224db68a896bf202969/tumblr_mwwebyfwk41qj313lo2_100.gif

[Amy Jade]

Not particularly relevant to me considering I call out Lew's behaviour but keep defending one of the dullest housemates in the history of the show I guess?

https://78.media.tumblr.com/993fd9f93d482224db68a896bf202969/tumblr_mwwebyfwk41qj313lo2_100.gif

Who said I meant you? You seem a tad defensive...

[Jase.]

Who said I meant you? You seem a tad defensive...

Defensive? I'm merely pointing out you bringing up his delusional fans to me is irrelevant...

[rusticgal]

Well no because I didn't like Kay because of how she looked

https://78.media.tumblr.com/993fd9f93d482224db68a896bf202969/tumblr_mwwebyfwk41qj313lo2_100.gif


That's not a reason to dislike someone surely?...

[Cherie]

I think Sian had to find something to make her relevant as her showmance had just been kicked out of the door and her mate Brooke had just had a go at Lewis, telling lies about the conversation.

Also Cian was beefing about him as well for knocking back his attempt on Cameron.

Also, I notice there seems to be a pattern on here that those who support the most outrageous housemates in whatever atrocious behaviour they do.

When they are kicked out, they then support the next disliked and will defend them to the death, never acknowledge their faults and big up their dire acts.

It's like being a rebel just for the sake of it. It is noticeable that it is the same posters though, bless their little cotton socks.


We are not here to discuss members Pops

[Amy Jade]

Defensive? I'm merely pointing out you bringing up his delusional fans to me is irrelevant...

How is it not when you accuse me of being a fan of Kay who defended her at all costs?

Which I should remind you that I was one of the first to call her out crying over plastic chickens and got called a hypocrite for it after defending her crying over real chickens being slaughtered.

[poppsywoppsy]

We are not here to discuss members Pops

As there were several posts about this previous to mine, I wrote my take on it too.

Level playing field or just for some,

[Vicky.]

The thing is Vicky...I do see his faults and I have said on other posts that Lewis thinks he is always right and repeats himself time and time again until people see it his way..which gets tiresome.
He also made himself a victim to Lewis G..cutting himself off. So he has his faults...he isn't my fave..in fact I don't have one this year. However He isn't as bad as people say he is. He is stubborn and headstrong but he isn't nasty IMO.

Sorry rustic, I know I quoted you but I didn't mean you were one of the worshipper type viewers :laugh: It was just the...fans will defend and 'wouldn't you be upset if someone said something about your fave' thing that reminded me of the many on facebook who would literally defend someone killing a kitten, generally as long as the housemate doing so is male and goodlooking... Or will turn utterly hysterical at the drop of a hat because something slightly negative was said about their chosen one. I find that weird D: How people can base their entire opinions on everyone in the house on how well they get on with their fave..basically. Its much worse during CBB generally.

[Vanessa]

Mocking someone’s distress isn’t amusing to me, so no.

This. It's mean.

[Amy Jade]

This. It's mean.

When Akeem was distressed and crying on Friday you mocked him in the main BB Highlights thread though.

So is it only mean when its about the guy you fancy?

[Kazanne]

Actually no - i never SCREAM i have a chuckle , a belly laugh etc... scream no - i'm not neurotic !

:laugh::laugh: thinking in pictures here hijaxers:wavey:

[bots]

If her only contribution to the show in 3 weeks is to mock someone, it doesn't say a lot for her character :shrug:

[WillS100889]

I ****ing love her

Same here. Definitely LOVE Sian , but then again how could you not love the girl and who couldn't, come on. Sian = great girl that is definitely calm , cool and collected.

[WillS100889]

How is she not very nice :joker: Just because she said one comment about Lewis?

Well said , whoever thinks she isn't a nice person , clearly doesn't know her (very well), should stop giving her so much criticism and grief for everything or / and anything she says or does. You calling her not a nice person because she nominated a housemate and gave a very reasonable explanation, that's the name of the game or a big part of it isn't it?

Just cut her some slack and stop trying to pull her down ffs people. I always got taught if you have nothing nice to say to someone or about them , don't say anything at all. Maybe that is what you should try doing.

[rusticgal]

Well said , whoever thinks she isn't a nice person , clearly doesn't know her (very well), should stop giving her so much criticism and grief for everything or / and anything she says or does.


Just cut her some slack and stop trying to pull her down ffs people. I always got taught if you have nothing nice to say to someone or about them , don't say anything at all. Maybe that is what you should try doing.

What has she done though to show shes a nice person..she glares at people...shows no compassion...then makes a bitchy comment behind someones back.

That's the whole point of the forum...to discuss the housemates good or bad...

[Vicky.]

This forum would cease to exist if we never said anything bad about the housemates. I would say a good 80%+ of posts are negative about someone.

[ConnorTheJudge]

Not sure about that.

Would you have said you hated her, if the target was someone else that Lewis F? I really doubt that.
Her comment showed a lack of understand of mental health issues.

Time to change the wallpaper...

[poppsywoppsy]

Well said , whoever thinks she isn't a nice person , clearly doesn't know her (very well), should stop giving her so much criticism and grief for everything or / and anything she says or does. You calling her not a nice person because she nominated a housemate and gave a very reasonable explanation, that's the name of the game or a big part of it isn't it?

Just cut her some slack and stop trying to pull her down ffs people. I always got taught if you have nothing nice to say to someone or about them , don't say anything at all. Maybe that is what you should try doing.

Reading your final paragraph which doesn't copy on here, it seems you have a massive crush on Sian. It is sweet and your hopes to meet up in your home town is also hopeful and wishful.

Others will not have a connection and will judge her on what they see, how she behaves and what she says rather than the reasons you give for her likeability.

Oh to see her through your rose coloured glasses. :hee:

[Vanessa]

Her comment showed a lack of understand of mental health issues.

Time to change the wallpaper...

:laugh2:

[GoldHeart]

:laugh2:

I just saw him having a tantrum for the sake of it , if he was in a smaller room with nobody else and no water and no toilet then fair enough.

But the task WASN'T that bad :bored:

[Amy Jade]

He wasn't having a panick attack. Anyone who says he was has seriously never seen someone actually suffer from one. He was only gasping for air by the door but as soon as BB called him to the cockpit (which is a smaller room) he stopped immediately and went into a full on rant about how he deserved a better seat.

It was completely and utterly fake and anyone who buys it must be a cold callers wet dream.

[poppsywoppsy]

He wasn't having a panick attack. Anyone who says he was has seriously never seen someone actually suffer from one. He was only gasping for air by the door but as soon as BB called him to the cockpit (which is a smaller room) he stopped immediately and went into a full on rant about how he deserved a better seat.

It was completely and utterly fake and anyone who buys it must be a cold callers wet dream.

I have had several panic attacks which randomly hit and I thought the opposite to your comments.

How can anyone judge another's feelings through a TV screen and edited hi lights?

I thought initially that he looked really stressed, but it obviously had been dealt with by the time he went back to his seat the time span of which we were not told.

Not good to take everything at face value, we BB viewers know it is all smoke and mirrors.

[Vicky.]

He wasn't having a panick attack. Anyone who says he was has seriously never seen someone actually suffer from one. He was only gasping for air by the door but as soon as BB called him to the cockpit (which is a smaller room) he stopped immediately and went into a full on rant about how he deserved a better seat.

It was completely and utterly fake and anyone who buys it must be a cold callers wet dream.

Exactly. The heavy breathing and such was put on as it stopped immediately. And was all over not getting a first class seat, rather than anxiety. He stropped as Akeem got the seat he thought he deserved. I would personally have picked him for first class given he had to deal with the baby, but they did not pick him, which he should have accepted...the tantrum over not getting his way was just ridiculous, and for people to claim he was actually anxious rather than pissed off..well...they see what they want to.

As I said earlier, as someone who suffers panic attacks, I found his faking anxiety to try and get his own way to be really really low.

[rusticgal]

Sorry rustic, I know I quoted you but I didn't mean you were one of the worshipper type viewers :laugh: It was just the...fans will defend and 'wouldn't you be upset if someone said something about your fave' thing that reminded me of the many on facebook who would literally defend someone killing a kitten, generally as long as the housemate doing so is male and goodlooking... Or will turn utterly hysterical at the drop of a hat because something slightly negative was said about their chosen one. I find that weird D: How people can base their entire opinions on everyone in the house on how well they get on with their fave..basically. Its much worse during CBB generally.


That's fine Vicky....appreciate that...I do feel attacked on here when I defend Lewis but I'm fair minded and I don't dislike him...yet :laugh:

[hijaxers]

Same here. Definitely LOVE Sian , but then again how could you not love the girl and who couldn't, come on. Sian = great girl that is definitely calm , cool and collected.

Hardly perfect inside ! two larges bags inserted.

[rusticgal]

He wasn't having a panick attack. Anyone who says he was has seriously never seen someone actually suffer from one. He was only gasping for air by the door but as soon as BB called him to the cockpit (which is a smaller room) he stopped immediately and went into a full on rant about how he deserved a better seat.

It was completely and utterly fake and anyone who buys it must be a cold callers wet dream.


Why do you have to slander and name call people who don't agree with you...:shrug:...

[GoldHeart]

That's fine Vicky....appreciate that...I do feel attacked on here when I defend Lewis but I'm fair minded and I don't dislike him...yet :laugh:

Nobody is attacking you Rustic , but i don't believe Lewis suffered any panic attack. Plus why did he whinge about not getting first class seat ?? ,how would that help his anxiety?? :suspect: . Clearly he was having a diva spoilt moment and he resented Akeem getting that seat .

[rusticgal]

Nobody is attacking you Rustic , but i don't believe Lewis suffered any panic attack. Plus why did he whinge about not getting first class seat ?? ,how would that help his anxiety?? :suspect: . Clearly he was having a diva spoilt moment and he resented Akeem getting that seat .


Read the above immature post that I responded to...

[poppsywoppsy]

Exactly. The heavy breathing and such was put on as it stopped immediately. And was all over not getting a first class seat, rather than anxiety. He stropped as Akeem got the seat he thought he deserved. I would personally have picked him for first class given he had to deal with the baby, but they did not pick him, which he should have accepted...the tantrum over not getting his way was just ridiculous, and for people to claim he was actually anxious rather than pissed off..well...they see what they want to.

As I said earlier, as someone who suffers panic attacks, I found his faking anxiety to try and get his own way to be really really low.

Do you not think they could have taken him to the cockpit for his usual way of winding down.

Is it really too hard to envisage? Was not his behaviour you describe all part of having an anxiety attack when he felt out of his depth? Its what people do and a couple of opinions on panic attacks do not cover the whole spectrum.

I think sometimes ardent dislike of a housemate can overwhelm any sense of giving them the benefit of the doubt or get the wrong end of the stick.

Lewis has faults but no where near as many as has been leveled at him by the same posters who dislike him. Their overworked dislike just reaches new levels.

He is the polls favourite, so the majority of viewers do not hold him in such contempt, neither are they fools not to see his so called never ending faults.

[Amy Jade]

Exactly. The heavy breathing and such was put on as it stopped immediately. And was all over not getting a first class seat, rather than anxiety. He stropped as Akeem got the seat he thought he deserved. I would personally have picked him for first class given he had to deal with the baby, but they did not pick him, which he should have accepted...the tantrum over not getting his way was just ridiculous, and for people to claim he was actually anxious rather than pissed off..well...they see what they want to.

As I said earlier, as someone who suffers panic attacks, I found his faking anxiety to try and get his own way to be really really low.

I 100% agree. I haven't ever seen someones 'panic attack' subside like his did as soon as he got attention and although everyone reacts differently it was all too convenient to me. It was an act and nothing will change my opinion.

I honestly for the life of me can't understand how anyone can either but hey ho it is what it is!

[poppsywoppsy]

I 100% agree. I haven't ever seen someones 'panic attack' subside like his did as soon as he got attention and although everyone reacts differently it was all too convenient to me. It was an act and nothing will change my opinion.

I honestly for the life of me can't understand how anyone can either but hey ho it is what it is!

As you haven't seen the panic attack subside or know the timeline or what went on in the cockpit, it won't be too hard to understand when others ask that there could be a different view without resorting to name calling.

[Vanessa]

To me Lewis looked like he was panicking and getting worked up. We already know he suffers from anxiety, eo i don't think he's making this up.

[rusticgal]

When someone gets exasperated or flies off the handle as they come down from it they can react in many ways. Like Kenally cried after her outburst..some people just take deep breaths...I've done both. I neither suffer from anxiety attacks or panic attacks...and neither of these were mentioned apart from people on this forum.

Anyway think we've done this to death...I'm moving on.

[poppsywoppsy]

When someone gets exasperated or flies off the handle as they come down from it they can react in many ways. Like Kenally cried after her outburst..some people just take deep breaths...I've done both. I neither suffer from anxiety attacks or panic attacks...and neither of these were mentioned apart from people on this forum.

Anyway think we've done this to death...I'm moving on.

Well said :smug:

[Vicky.]

Do you not think they could have taken him to the cockpit for his usual way of winding down.

Is it really too hard to envisage? Was not his behaviour you describe all part of having an anxiety attack when he felt out of his depth? Its what people do and a couple of opinions on panic attacks do not cover the whole spectrum.

I think sometimes ardent dislike of a housemate can overwhelm any sense of giving them the benefit of the doubt or get the wrong end of the stick.

Lewis has faults but no where near as many as has been leveled at him by the same posters who dislike him. Their overworked dislike just reaches new levels.

He is the polls favourite, so the majority of viewers do not hold him in such contempt, neither are they fools not to see his so called never ending faults.
Given we can only comment on what BB actually show, as so many people keep saying, I don't really get why when it comes to Lewis, we have to imagine all kinds of things that could maybe, possibly have gone on off camera :D

Why is that?

Even if he was taken somewhere to calm down and they just edited it out...he was literally heavy breathing and such, over not getting a comfier seat with nicer meals! He was stropping over Akeem getting a privilege instead of him. Like, how this can be seen as a positive, I don't know :laugh:

[reece(:]

I 100% agree. I haven't ever seen someones 'panic attack' subside like his did as soon as he got attention and although everyone reacts differently it was all too convenient to me. It was an act and nothing will change my opinion.

I honestly for the life of me can't understand how anyone can either but hey ho it is what it is!
The same people who are defending him were dragging Janice Dickinson's panic attack so :shrug: Even though this one obviously appears disingenuous

[poppsywoppsy]

Given we can only comment on what BB actually show, as so many people keep saying, I don't really get why when it comes to Lewis, we have to imagine all kinds of things that could maybe, possibly have gone on off camera :D

Why is that?

Even if he was taken somewhere to calm down and they just edited it out...he was literally heavy breathing and such, over not getting a comfier seat with nicer meals! He was stropping over Akeem getting a privilege instead of him. Like, how this can be seen as a positive, I don't know :laugh:



Because you have said it was not possible that he calmed down, without allowing any other possibilities even knowing how highly edited BB is.

Are you then saying we have to believe it isn't and everything is as it is shown, which is patently not the case.

He was stropping over Akeem's seat, correct and winding himself up, you have seen him doing it many times before, then sit there over thinking before having his meltdown/attack. Then the thought of 7 hours sent him over the edge.

No one is saying it is positive, we are not bigging him up, he is his own worst enemy at times but I am saying, we don't know for certain and it has been just another stick for his detractors to beat him with.

[Amy Jade]

As you haven't seen the panic attack subside or know the timeline or what went on in the cockpit, it won't be too hard to understand when others ask that there could be a different view without resorting to name calling.

Sian was there though wasn't she and she agreed with me and nobody else seemed to feel the need to defend him even his 'little brother' Cameron.

They all knew it was a put on

[Amy Jade]

The same people who are defending him were dragging Janice Dickinson's panic attack so :shrug: Even though this one obviously appears disingenuous

Musn't have fancied Janice?

[poppsywoppsy]

Sian was there though wasn't she and she agreed with me and nobody else seemed to feel the need to defend him even his 'little brother' Cameron.

They all knew it was a put on



How many others were on there? Sian had her own agenda.

Your last line has no basis in fact, as you cannot substantiate it.

[bots]

can't have it both ways. He was either being genuine, in which case he is unstable, or he was putting on an act.

[Toy Soldier]

He didn't say he was having a panic attack, he said it was making his anxiety bad, and that can be completely invisible. Not only that but with Lewis F it isn't even invisible; he quite clearly suffers from anxiety.

Also anyone who has ever experienced that sort of generalised anxiety will know that the prospect of sitting for 5+ hours with nothing to do for distraction can be outright torture. I fully understand why he was saying "I can't do this". It's also why he said he would have been fine sat with Cameron, as being sat with a friend and able to have a laugh and a chat helps massively with anxiety.

Very little empathy from Sian, but not surprising as tbqfh I don't think she has the mental processing power required to feel anxious about anything.

Not much empathy on here either, which is a shame.

[rusticgal]

Sian was there though wasn't she and she agreed with me and nobody else seemed to feel the need to defend him even his 'little brother' Cameron.

They all knew it was a put on

Well if Sian said it....you must all be right.

[Vanessa]

He didn't say he was having a panic attack, he said it was making his anxiety bad, and that can be completely invisible. Not only that but with Lewis F it isn't even invisible; he quite clearly suffers from anxiety.

Also anyone who has ever experienced that sort of generalised anxiety will know that the prospect of sitting for 5+ hours with nothing to do for distraction can be outright torture. I fully understand why he was saying "I can't do this". It's also why he said he would have been fine sat with Cameron, as being sat with a friend and able to have a laugh and a chat helps massively with anxiety.

Very little empathy from Sian, but not surprising as tbqfh I don't think she has the mental processing power required to feel anxious about anything.

Not much empathy on here either, which is a shame.
:clap1:

[rusticgal]

He didn't say he was having a panic attack, he said it was making his anxiety bad, and that can be completely invisible. Not only that but with Lewis F it isn't even invisible; he quite clearly suffers from anxiety.

Also anyone who has ever experienced that sort of generalised anxiety will know that the prospect of sitting for 5+ hours with nothing to do for distraction can be outright torture. I fully understand why he was saying "I can't do this". It's also why he said he would have been fine sat with Cameron, as being sat with a friend and able to have a laugh and a chat helps massively with anxiety.

Very little empathy from Sian, but not surprising as tbqfh I don't think she has the mental processing power required to feel anxious about anything.

Not much empathy on here either, which is a shame.

Well said TS....

[Beso]

There was nothing wrong with Lewis on the way to China.. So there was nothing wrong with his fake arse on the way back.

[rusticgal]

Do you not think they could have taken him to the cockpit for his usual way of winding down.

Is it really too hard to envisage? Was not his behaviour you describe all part of having an anxiety attack when he felt out of his depth? Its what people do and a couple of opinions on panic attacks do not cover the whole spectrum.

I think sometimes ardent dislike of a housemate can overwhelm any sense of giving them the benefit of the doubt or get the wrong end of the stick.

Lewis has faults but no where near as many as has been leveled at him by the same posters who dislike him. Their overworked dislike just reaches new levels.

He is the polls favourite, so the majority of viewers do not hold him in such contempt, neither are they fools not to see his so called never ending faults.

Well said Poppsy...

[Toy Soldier]

There was nothing wrong with Lewis on the way to China.. So there was nothing wrong with his fake arse on the way back.Alternatively; he got anxious on "the way there" but kept a lid on it, but the prospect of doing it all again (and for even longer) was too much.

Also he had Bau Bau as a distraction on the first flight :hee:

[GoldHeart]

I think once BB announced that the journey will "be shorter" , Lewis thought he got his own way :bored:. But I don't think the time duration would ever of been 7 hours ! .

And Lewis had it alot easier the second time round as there was no crying baby.

[Amy Jade]

Alternatively; he got anxious on "the way there" but kept a lid on it, but the prospect of doing it all again (and for even longer) was too much.

Also he had Bau Bau as a distraction on the first flight :hee:

Alternatively he wanted to be an upgraded seat but threw a tantrum because Akeem was chosen over him.

aka the truth

[Vicky.]

Because you have said it was not possible that he calmed down, without allowing any other possibilities even knowing how highly edited BB is.



I have not said that at all. Maybe read my posts, rather than what you twant me to say?

We can only comment on what we see. From what we were shown, it appears, to me, that he was putting on the heavy breathing thing, in the hope of getting his own way. And he was only stropping over the Akeem getting first class, rather than being on the plan for 5 hours or whatever.

I also don't see how he could not have spoke to Cameron. They were all in the same room, not like they had walls between them.

[rusticgal]

Alternatively he wanted to be an upgraded seat but threw a tantrum because Akeem was chosen over him.

aka the truth

No...its just your opinion...the only one who knows the TRUTH is Lewis himself.

[GoldHeart]

Alternatively he wanted to be an upgraded seat but threw a tantrum because Akeem was chosen over him.

aka the truth

Yeah if he got the first class seat with Cameron,he wouldn't have thrown such a hissy fit ! . Pretty obvious .

Like I said if he had genuine panic & anxiety then an upgraded seat wouldn't make a difference :bored: .

[Toy Soldier]

Alternatively he wanted to be an upgraded seat but threw a tantrum because Akeem was chosen over him.

aka the truthIf you can't see that Lewis suffers from an anxiety disorder then I can only assume that you've never experienced one. That's not a criticism, as such, I wouldn't wish it on anyone but I'm just saying, he definitely does suffer from anxiety issues (it's been clear since the first night) and disliking someone isn't reason enough to have no sympathy for them :shrug:.

[GoldHeart]

If you can't see that Lewis suffers from an anxiety disorder then I can only assume that you've never experienced one. That's not a criticism, as such, I wouldn't wish it on anyone but I'm just saying, he definitely does suffer from anxiety issues (it's been clear since the first night) and disliking someone isn't reason enough to have no sympathy for them :shrug:.

I partly agree that Lewis clearly has issues & probably suffers anxiety .

But I'm not convinced it was as bad as he made out in the plane task, he wanted the upgraded seat and because he didn't get his own way he threw a tantrum simple as that :bored: .

[Twosugars]

Musn't have fancied Janice?
Nail, head.

[Vicky.]

If you can't see that Lewis suffers from an anxiety disorder then I can only assume that you've never experienced one. That's not a criticism, as such, I wouldn't wish it on anyone but I'm just saying, he definitely does suffer from anxiety issues (it's been clear since the first night) and disliking someone isn't reason enough to have no sympathy for them :shrug:.

He does clearly suffer anxiety. No disputing that.

However, theres a difference between anxiety and throwing the metaphorical toys out of the pram as you did not get a privilege. And making out that its because of anxiety, rather than admitting you are just throwing a strop! :laugh:

[Toy Soldier]

He does clearly suffer anxiety. No disputing that.

However, theres a difference between anxiety and throwing the metaphorical toys out of the pram as you did not get a privilege. And making out that its because of anxiety, rather than admitting you are just throwing a strop! [emoji23]I genuinely reckon it was more about being sat on his own again and he'd probably have been OK even if Cameron moved back :shrug:.

His anxiety / nervousness affects his character which is a shame. I don't think he's exactly who he would like to be... But would genuinely say that I think most if not all of his worst moments have been heavily linked to it. I feel pretty bad for him tbh, he has potential to be better but is badly affected by his mental health.

[joeysteele]

Also on the 5 hour stint out to China.
He was distracted as to time with being given baby bao bao.
The time back was going to be sitting on his own for a projected 7 hours.

Yes, there were others on the set with him and yes he'd have preferred to have been sitting with Cameron who he feels close to.

However, it may have not escalated to where it went, had he still been made responsible on the return plan with another task.

He handled being given a baby task really well and put a lot into it.
Keeping him occupied, or having someone there to talk fairly privately to at his side, seems to calm any anxieties surfacing in. Lewis.

Considering Cameron had got irritated with Akeem on the outward set up, I actually found it odd those flight attendants, put Cameron and Akeem together anyway on the return set.

[Toy Soldier]

They were also given the language task on the "outward" journey, which again showed that Lewis needs the distraction. He was the only one who actually learned any of it :joker:.

[Vanessa]

They were also given the language task on the "outward" journey, which again showed that Lewis needs the distraction. He was the only one who actually learned any of it :joker:.

Bless Lewis, he makes me smile :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

I genuinely reckon it was more about being sat on his own again and he'd probably have been OK even if Cameron moved back :shrug:.

His anxiety / nervousness affects his character which is a shame. I don't think he's exactly who he would like to be... But would genuinely say that I think most if not all of his worst moments have been heavily linked to it. I feel pretty bad for him tbh, he has potential to be better but is badly affected by his mental health.

A 27 year old man behaving like a 12 year old ! :facepalm: .

[Liam-]

Anxiety manifests in many different ways, it isn’t always black and white, people handle it differently, heaven forbid he didn’t chuck himself in a corner and cry for an hour or two, how dare he.

[GoldHeart]

Anxiety manifests in many different ways, it isn’t always black and white, people handle it differently, heaven forbid he didn’t chuck himself in a corner and cry for an hour or two, how dare he.

The hypocrisy though is if someone else behaved that way Lewis would of been the FIRST to mock them ,like what he did with Lewis G & Kay with the whole chicken & mince meltdowns .

[poppsywoppsy]

The hypocrisy though is if someone else behaved that way Lewis would of been the FIRST to mock them ,like what he did with Lewis G & Kay with the whole chicken & mince meltdowns .

Wouldn't waste a lot of sympathy on Lewis G as he had zero for anyone else.

Lewis F actually tried to help Kay, told her to breathe through it so No, Lewis wasn't as described. It was Lewis G who found it funny.

[GoldHeart]

Wouldn't waste a lot of sympathy on Lewis G as he had zero for anyone else.

Lewis F actually tried to help Kay, told her to breathe through it so No, Lewis wasn't as described. It was Lewis G who found it funny.

I didn't say i had sympathy for Lewis G or Kay , i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy .

And if Lewis was sat in the front seat and if Akeem had his seat and had a "panic attack" instead then Lewis would be calling him a baby :suspect: .

[poppsywoppsy]

I didn't say i had sympathy for Lewis G or Kay , i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy .

And if Lewis was sat in the front seat and if Akeem had his seat and had a "panic attack" instead then Lewis would be calling him a baby :suspect: .

With respect, you are putting words into Lewis mouth which he hadn't said.

it didn't happen and he didn't say it, it is conjecture.

[rusticgal]

The hypocrisy though is if someone else behaved that way Lewis would of been the FIRST to mock them ,like what he did with Lewis G & Kay with the whole chicken & mince meltdowns .


I didn't see Lewis F mocking Kenally when she had a meltdown with LG AND with Isaac.
...and he only bought the chicken thing up with Kay AFTER she mocked him.
As far as LG was concerned LG had been in his face for days...why wouldn't he mock him.

[GoldHeart]

I didn't see Lewis F mocking Kenally when she had a meltdown with LG AND with Isaac.
...and he only bought the chicken thing up with Kay AFTER she mocked him.
As far as LG was concerned LG had been in his face for days...why wouldn't he mock him.

I just don't believe he was really panicking , he was more having a pi ssed off strop because he wasn't sat at the front that's all .

[rusticgal]

I just don't believe he was really panicking , he was more having a pi ssed off strop because he wasn't sat at the front that's all .


He wasn't panicking at all...he was pissed off and he lost it. No doubt not getting the first class seat sitting next to his mate would have made it more bearable...but so what?...we all throw our toys out the Pram sometimes it's not a massive flaw..it's showing a human side.

[GoldHeart]

He wasn't panicking at all...he was pissed off and he lost it. No doubt not getting the first class seat sitting next to his mate would have made it more bearable...but so what?...we all throw our toys out the Pram sometimes it's not a massive flaw..it's showing a human side.

Because it's being called a serious panic attack /anxiety breakdown, when really he was just having a rant and being spoilt brat .

[poppsywoppsy]

Because it's being called a serious panic attack /anxiety breakdown, when really he was just having a rant and being spoilt brat .

Shall we just say, it was ambiguous, it could be viewed both ways but because of the editing, it is almost impossible to call and therefore open to interpretation.

In the great scale of things it was not a big thing, there has been far worse and things have moved on and let's hope a happier Lewis will prevail in the coming days.

[Ammi]

..I think the problem with Lewis is that he is prone to tantrum-like behaviour and whinging and moaning type behaviour...so knowing whether a panic attack was real would be such a difficult call..and I don’t think we’ll ever know because he’s become a boy who cried wolf, type character...


...with Sian..?...I can see the thoughts of...oh she pipes up now to mock someone when she’s barely spoken before..?...and feelings of negativity towards her...but she and the other housemates are the ones who have lived with Lewis and live with him day in and day out etc...through his tantrums and through his rants and through his whinges and through his paranoia and through his lack of self awareness etc...so maybe the thing that she did speak up to mock him could be seen as an indication of how much he drains/oppresses the house in his vibe..?...at least Sian’s negative behaviour hasn’t been a consistency, whereas Lewis’ has tended to be...and yeah, I would imagine....quite hard to live with...so it would bring out negative stuff in others....cause and effect, I guess...

[Ammi]

He didn't say he was having a panic attack, he said it was making his anxiety bad, and that can be completely invisible. Not only that but with Lewis F it isn't even invisible; he quite clearly suffers from anxiety.

Also anyone who has ever experienced that sort of generalised anxiety will know that the prospect of sitting for 5+ hours with nothing to do for distraction can be outright torture. I fully understand why he was saying "I can't do this". It's also why he said he would have been fine sat with Cameron, as being sat with a friend and able to have a laugh and a chat helps massively with anxiety.

Very little empathy from Sian, but not surprising as tbqfh I don't think she has the mental processing power required to feel anxious about anything.

Not much empathy on here either, which is a shame.

...while I’m of similar thoughts with most of what you say, TS...I do completely understand any lack of empathy also and why some feel as they do...Lewis obviously does suffer anxiety issues but he also has very little self awareness...in that when Kay was experiencing anxiety..?...he told her she was unstable, he pushed and pushed her with very little empathy and compassion at all and queried why she would choose to come into the house with her ‘instabilities’...well doesn’t that equally apply to him then, she could get anxious and upset over a chicken sandwich, he could get anxious and upset in that long seating time etc..although really it applies to neither because neither could ever know the effects that specifics would have have on them and their anxieties and they both wanted this overall experience anyway...with Kenaley in the pool..?...he said her behaviour was oppressive ..he used that discriptive and yet the very same discriptive could be used of his own behaviour, surely as his anxieties will have an oppressing effect in that confined space...and when he was talking about Cameron coming out and having declared it to him personally..?...he very much was displaying self awareness there because it was something he wanted self acknowledgement for..:laugh:...but the more negative stuff he just doesn’t see...which many people don’t see those things in themselves for sure...but he’s just so, so vocal and animated in pointing what he feels are negatives with others and judges so much for those negatives...so yeah, I can completely understand why the empathy isn’t there for someone who often hasn’t appeared to display empathy but has been very loud and proud to be pointing out what he feels is having a huge effect on the house...

[Cherie]

He said it himself, he kicked off over not getting the front seat, he felt he was more entitled to it than Akeem or Cameron, it was nothing to do with anxiety. If he was anxious why would he be less anxious sitting in front, it wasn't as if he couldn't get out of his seat and stretch his legs, I would be interested to know if he has ever flown for real for 7 hours, and if so does he have to be in first class :laugh:

[Ammi]

..a little aside which is off topic completely...


...’Kay you’re UNSTABLE, why did you even come in here’...or some such words...


...’yeah I know I’m mental but that’s nothing to do with any other housemate’...or some such words...


..yeah he totally does have more extreme anxiety issues...but he also has no self awareness as a character trait, which i do also think is quite relevant to any apparent lack of empathy....

[Cherie]

..a little aside which is off topic completely...


...’Kay you’re UNSTABLE, why did you even come in here’...or some such words...


...’yeah I know I’m mental but that’s nothing to do with any other housemate’...or some such words...


..yeah he totally does have more extreme anxiety issues...but he also has no self awareness as a character trait, which i do also think is quite relevant to any apparent lack of empathy....

Good point Ammi

[Vicky.]

...while I’m of similar thoughts with most of what you say, TS...I do completely understand any lack of empathy also and why some feel as they do...Lewis obviously does suffer anxiety issues but he also has very little self awareness...in that when Kay was experiencing anxiety..?...he told her she was unstable, he pushed and pushed her with very little empathy and compassion at all and queried why she would choose to come into the house with her ‘instabilities’...well doesn’t that equally apply to him then, she could get anxious and upset over a chicken sandwich, he could get anxious and upset in that long seating time etc..although really it applies to neither because neither could ever know the effects that specifics would have have on them and their anxieties and they both wanted this overall experience anyway...with Kenaley in the pool..?...he said her behaviour was oppressive ..he used that discriptive and yet the very same discriptive could be used of his own behaviour, surely as his anxieties will have an oppressing effect in that confined space...and when he was talking about Cameron coming out and having declared it to him personally..?...he very much was displaying self awareness there because it was something he wanted self acknowledgement for..:laugh:...but the more negative stuff he just doesn’t see...which many people don’t see those things in themselves for sure...but he’s just so, so vocal and animated in pointing what he feels are negatives with others and judges so much for those negatives...so yeah, I can completely understand why the empathy isn’t there for someone who often hasn’t appeared to display empathy but has been very loud and proud to be pointing out what he feels is having a huge effect on the house...

Indeed

[GoldHeart]

..I think the problem with Lewis is that he is prone to tantrum-like behaviour and whinging and moaning type behaviour...so knowing whether a panic attack was real would be such a difficult call..and I don’t think we’ll ever know because he’s become a boy who cried wolf, type character...


...with Sian..?...I can see the thoughts of...oh she pipes up now to mock someone when she’s barely spoken before..?...and feelings of negativity towards her...but she and the other housemates are the ones who have lived with Lewis and live with him day in and day out etc...through his tantrums and through his rants and through his whinges and through his paranoia and through his lack of self awareness etc...so maybe the thing that she did speak up to mock him could be seen as an indication of how much he drains/oppresses the house in his vibe..?...at least Sian’s negative behaviour hasn’t been a consistency, whereas Lewis’ has tended to be...and yeah, I would imagine....quite hard to live with...so it would bring out negative stuff in others....cause and effect, I guess...

Great post :clap1:

[GoldHeart]

I didn't see Lewis F mocking Kenally when she had a meltdown with LG AND with Isaac.
...and he only bought the chicken thing up with Kay AFTER she mocked him.
As far as LG was concerned LG had been in his face for days...why wouldn't he mock him.

But he DID tell Kenaley she shouldn't complain about the food as he thought it could cause them to fail. Yet Lewis caused a fail by having a tantrum :facepalm: .

[Starscream]

Only good thing Sian's ever done.

[Garfie]

This kind of thing is so odd to me. This total refusal to acknowledge that a fave has done wrong, or that someone may have a point when they say something even slightly negative about a fave.

Of course, not all viewers are the same, but it seems a lot are..it seems a lot more prevalant on FB than on here mind...but a fair few on here do it too. Its always puzzled me how one can base their opinions on every other HM in the house, around how their fave acts/who their fave likes/who their fave hates/etc. Rather than having separate opinions on separate housemates and being able to see beyond the ...tribalism of 'my fave is perfect and never does wrong' type thing :laugh: Having said that, its quite common for me to enjoy BOTH of the final 2, where they generally are arch enemies. Might well be me thats weird :D

:clap1:

I so agree with everything you say here. It totally baffles me, as every housemate has their flaws no matter how much you like them- that's just part of being human. :shrug:

[rusticgal]

Because it's being called a serious panic attack /anxiety breakdown, when really he was just having a rant and being spoilt brat .

Well he was clearly anxious...more people on here have called him out on 'pretending' to have a Panic attack/anxiety breakdown..but he didn't have one..and never claimed to have one.
He just had a moment for all the things that people have mentioned above, including me...call it what you like..a tantrum..throwing his toys out the pram..it was a moment of frustration and it wasn't ALL about the seat..people need to look at the bigger picture.

[Vicky.]

:clap1:

I so agree with everything you say here. It totally baffles me, as every housemate has their flaws no matter how much you like them- that's just part of being human. :shrug:

Quite. Defending them is one thing, but defending every single little thing they do and never ever acknowledging any faults, meanwhile deciding that whenever another housemate says anything even slightly negative to the object of their affection that they are awful awful people, based on one little thing. Only ever liking housemates that get on with the one they like, but the again the second a negative thing is said turning on them.. Its just..weird :laugh:

[Garfie]

He didn't say he was having a panic attack, he said it was making his anxiety bad, and that can be completely invisible. Not only that but with Lewis F it isn't even invisible; he quite clearly suffers from anxiety.

Also anyone who has ever experienced that sort of generalised anxiety will know that the prospect of sitting for 5+ hours with nothing to do for distraction can be outright torture. I fully understand why he was saying "I can't do this". It's also why he said he would have been fine sat with Cameron, as being sat with a friend and able to have a laugh and a chat helps massively with anxiety.

Very little empathy from Sian, but not surprising as tbqfh I don't think she has the mental processing power required to feel anxious about anything.

Not much empathy on here either, which is a shame.

:clap1: Well said. Excellent post.

[GoldHeart]

Well he was clearly anxious...more people on here have called him out on 'pretending' to have a Panic attack/anxiety breakdown..but he didn't have one..and never claimed to have one.
He just had a moment for all the things that people have mentioned above, including me...call it what you like..a tantrum..throwing his toys out the pram..it was a moment of frustration and it wasn't ALL about the seat..people need to look at the bigger picture.

But people aren't looking at the other bigger picture ! . He told Kenaley to stop moaning about the food as it may affect the outcome of the task. Yet he caused a fail by having his tantrum :facepalm: .

[Vicky.]

Well he was clearly anxious...more people on here have called him out on 'pretending' to have a Panic attack/anxiety breakdown..but he didn't have one..and never claimed to have one.
He just had a moment for all the things that people have mentioned above, including me...call it what you like..a tantrum..throwing his toys out the pram..it was a moment of frustration and it wasn't ALL about the seat..people need to look at the bigger picture.

So whats the bigger picture here then? You are saying it wasn't just a tantrum over first class. So what else was it? Yes he may have preferred to sit with Cameron, but again thats tantruming over the first class seat! Cameron could also have said he didn't want first class, if he knew Lewis was going to be upset about it. Akeem absolutely should not have offered to give it up, and I am so glad he didn't. But yeah, it was just a strop over not being picked for a privilege, so I am interested in what the bigger picture apparently is really.

[poppsywoppsy]

Well he was clearly anxious...more people on here have called him out on 'pretending' to have a Panic attack/anxiety breakdown..but he didn't have one..and never claimed to have one.
He just had a moment for all the things that people have mentioned above, including me...call it what you like..a tantrum..throwing his toys out the pram..it was a moment of frustration and it wasn't ALL about the seat..people need to look at the bigger picture.

Yes, I get anxiety attacks at the doctors (white coat syndrome) and really had a bad one during an MRI and couldn't get away quick enough.

Yet, when I walk into the place, I am totally normal. It happens to me, not that I do anything to make it happen.

I also get it in airports but surprisingly, not during the flight.

My point is that there is nothing I can do at the time to avoid it, my head tells me there is nothing to worry about but my body doesn't listen.

So that is why I can give Lewis the benefit of the doubt, I noticed a look of panic when he first said he couldn't do the 7 hours. Yes, he did throw his toys out of the pram and having the seat next to Cameron would have been helpful but he was in a state of anxiety and surely this added up to why he behaved how he did.

[Garfie]

Because you have said it was not possible that he calmed down, without allowing any other possibilities even knowing how highly edited BB is.

Are you then saying we have to believe it isn't and everything is as it is shown, which is patently not the case.

He was stropping over Akeem's seat, correct and winding himself up, you have seen him doing it many times before, then sit there over thinking before having his meltdown/attack. Then the thought of 7 hours sent him over the edge.

No one is saying it is positive, we are not bigging him up, he is his own worst enemy at times but I am saying, we don't know for certain and it has been just another stick for his detractors to beat him with.

:clap1: A really balanced post, poppsywoppsy.

[Vicky.]

I agree there is a chance he calmed down between ranting and the diary room. But as I said, we can only go on what we see. If we were to comment on what may have happened on bits not shown, then we could really come up with anything. Like I could say Sian randomly shat on Tomasz bed, but we weren't shown it. Etc.

[poppsywoppsy]

I agree there is a chance he calmed down between ranting and the diary room. But as I said, we can only go on what we see. If we were to comment on what may have happened on bits not shown, then we could really come up with anything. Like I could say Sian randomly shat on Tomasz bed, but we weren't shown it. Etc.

The problem being, the selected bits we see, do not tell the whole story and this leads to all the conjecture both for and against Lewis.

[tanussa]

I dont see why she has it in for lewis. no doubt she has nominated him ...........again, even though he has been really njce to her this week....the cocktails etc

[Vicky.]

The problem being, the selected bits we see, do not tell the whole story and this leads to all the conjecture both for and against Lewis.

Well of course, this has been a bloody huge issue every since LF was cut. Mind even with LF we had cloud shots and birdsong half the time rather than actually being able to see what was going on :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

Well of course, this has been a bloody huge issue every since LF was cut. Mind even with LF we had cloud shots and birdsong half the time rather than actually being able to see what was going on :laugh:

I hated all the bird noises and other sounds. plus they always had a random ad break when you were trying to listen to a conversation :fist:.

[rusticgal]

But people aren't looking at the other bigger picture ! . .

Then perhaps they should...and understand human nature and that no one is perfect...

[rionablue]

She is such a bore. had a bit of a story when Isaac was in following around and draping herself next to him in the smoking area but has zero going for her now and she is going to be totally jealous of Isabella

[Toy Soldier]

I hated all the bird noises and other sounds. plus they always had a random ad break when you were trying to listen to a conversation :fist:.It's a far cry from BB5 when they live streamed the entire fight night complete with sound, right up until the point where security burst in. It was spectacular :flutter:

[Amy Jade]

So whats the bigger picture here then? You are saying it wasn't just a tantrum over first class. So what else was it? Yes he may have preferred to sit with Cameron, but again thats tantruming over the first class seat! Cameron could also have said he didn't want first class, if he knew Lewis was going to be upset about it. Akeem absolutely should not have offered to give it up, and I am so glad he didn't. But yeah, it was just a strop over not being picked for a privilege, so I am interested in what the bigger picture apparently is really.

:clap1:

I would love to know this also, what was the bigger picture since people seem convinced there is one?

[GoldHeart]

It's a far cry from BB5 when they live streamed the entire fight night complete with sound, right up until the point where security burst in. It was spectacular :flutter:

OMG ! I remember that like it was yesterday :joker: .
That will always be one of the biggest fights in BB history .

[Cherie]

Yes, I get anxiety attacks at the doctors (white coat syndrome) and really had a bad one during an MRI and couldn't get away quick enough.

Yet, when I walk into the place, I am totally normal. It happens to me, not that I do anything to make it happen.

I also get it in airports but surprisingly, not during the flight.

My point is that there is nothing I can do at the time to avoid it, my head tells me there is nothing to worry about but my body doesn't listen.

So that is why I can give Lewis the benefit of the doubt, I noticed a look of panic when he first said he couldn't do the 7 hours. Yes, he did throw his toys out of the pram and having the seat next to Cameron would have been helpful but he was in a state of anxiety and surely this added up to why he behaved how he did.

You are mixing up a real life situation with sitting in a chair in a room though :laugh: he was not in confined space either as they could get up and walk around, in fact it was no different to when they do nominations and they all have to stay in the room for hours on end

[Cherie]

So whats the bigger picture here then? You are saying it wasn't just a tantrum over first class. So what else was it? Yes he may have preferred to sit with Cameron, but again thats tantruming over the first class seat! Cameron could also have said he didn't want first class, if he knew Lewis was going to be upset about it. Akeem absolutely should not have offered to give it up, and I am so glad he didn't. But yeah, it was just a strop over not being picked for a privilege, so I am interested in what the bigger picture apparently is really.

I can’t what the bigger picture was either other than he was irked not to be chosen to sit in front

[GoldHeart]

You are mixing up a real life situation with sitting in a chair in a room though :laugh: he was not in confined space either as they could get up and walk around, in fact it was no different to when they do nominations and they all have to stay in the room for hours on end

Exactly ,the Nominations take ages and they're all locked in the living room .

And as I've already said , Lewis wasn't on his own and he had plenty of space ,and water and a toilet . Things were NOT THAT BAD !!! :facepalm:.

[rusticgal]

So whats the bigger picture here then? You are saying it wasn't just a tantrum over first class. So what else was it? Yes he may have preferred to sit with Cameron, but again thats tantruming over the first class seat! Cameron could also have said he didn't want first class, if he knew Lewis was going to be upset about it. Akeem absolutely should not have offered to give it up, and I am so glad he didn't. But yeah, it was just a strop over not being picked for a privilege, so I am interested in what the bigger picture apparently is really.


Read my earlier post...I really can't be arsed repeating myself again...

[Toy Soldier]

The bigger picture is that he has an anxiety disorder. They don't make sense, they don't follow any set rules, and it can catch you off guard at any time.

Frankly if you've never experienced it, you probably aren't going to understand, but again, that isn't a criticism. Be happy that you don't understand, and I sincerely hope that it stays that way.

[Vicky.]

Ah so basically anxiety is just going to be used to excuse all Lewis' strops. Got it :laugh:

And I suffer panic attacks myself, as I said earlier in the thread, and have done for years now.

[GoldHeart]

Ah so basically anxiety is just going to be used to excuse all Lewis' strops. Got it :laugh:

And I suffer panic attacks myself, as I said earlier in the thread, and have done for years now.

I feel like we're all going round in circles in this thread :joker: :facepalm:

[Amy Jade]

Ah so basically anxiety is just going to be used to excuse all Lewis' strops. Got it :laugh:

And I suffer panic attacks myself, as I said earlier in the thread, and have done for years now.
Seems that way :shrug:

[Vicky.]

Seems that way :shrug:

Well yes. Anxiety disorder can be used to excuse most behaviors. Like, even if he randomly stabbed a housemate you could use anxiety disorder to defend it, and indeed I have seen cases where murder and such has been attempted to be explained away by anxiety...very much like the mental illness defense. Of course, stabbing someone is entirely hypothetical. But it CAN excuse pretty much anything.

Its very clear Lewis suffers anxiety, that much can't really be denied. However, its also clear he is a stroppy brat, basically. But whenever he throws a strop over not getting his own way, anxiety is going to be used, rather than people just accepting hes stroppy and tbh, often OTT in the ranting.

I think it makes good viewing, someone with such a lack of self awareness, behaving the way he does whilst, for example, telling Kay she is the most unstable in the house. But this excusing whatever he does, is quite annoying :laugh:

[rusticgal]

So whats the bigger picture here then? You are saying it wasn't just a tantrum over first class. So what else was it? Yes he may have preferred to sit with Cameron, but again thats tantruming over the first class seat! Cameron could also have said he didn't want first class, if he knew Lewis was going to be upset about it. Akeem absolutely should not have offered to give it up, and I am so glad he didn't. But yeah, it was just a strop over not being picked for a privilege, so I am interested in what the bigger picture apparently is really.


The bigger picture is this..

Lewis not only got sat on his own for the first 5 hours..but he also got a screaming baby and the Chinese language task. He was singled out for that task. On the journey home he thought he deserved the FClass seat but he didn't get it...not only didn't he get it..he got sat on his own again for an even longer journey. He lost it...many would. Put yourself in that position for one minute and just try and understand why he lost it briefly...that moment of thinking that you deserve something because you had the worst scenario on the other journey.Call it what you like 'tantrum' 'hissy fit' 'throwing toys out his pram'..it's just human nature.

[Twosugars]

The bigger picture is that he has an anxiety disorder. They don't make sense, they don't follow any set rules, and it can catch you off guard at any time.

Frankly if you've never experienced it, you probably aren't going to understand, but again, that isn't a criticism. Be happy that you don't understand, and I sincerely hope that it stays that way.

Really? Did you diagnose that based on that one situation? Bc I don't see any other evidence of anxiety. I see plenty of evidence for anger issues tho

[rusticgal]

:clap1:

I would love to know this also, what was the bigger picture since people seem convinced there is one?


...and of course some who have an inability to see it...or simply don't want to.

[Vicky.]

Read my earlier post...I really can't be arsed repeating myself again...

I have just been back reading all of your posts on this topic. You don't seem to have explained this 'bigger picture' in any of them. Infact, you seem to agree it was just a strop

He wasn't panicking at all...he was pissed off and he lost it. No doubt not getting the first class seat sitting next to his mate would have made it more bearable...but so what?...we all throw our toys out the Pram sometimes it's not a massive flaw..it's showing a human side.

:shrug:

[rusticgal]

I have just been back reading all of your posts on this topic. You don;t seem to have explained this 'bigger picture' in any of them. Infact, you seem to agree it was just a strop



:shrug:


Well it's above this one...it must of been on another thread about it.

[Vicky.]

Well it's above this one...it must of been on another thread about it.

Possibly. Have just seen that you replied to me whilst I was going back through this thread :p

[poppsywoppsy]

Ah so basically anxiety is just going to be used to excuse all Lewis' strops. Got it :laugh:

And I suffer panic attacks myself, as I said earlier in the thread, and have done for years now.

Not at all, let's see his other rants and discuss the circumstances surrounding them to come to a decision based on what has happened at that time.

It is just giving a fair and considered opinion rather than lumping them altogether under the one banner.

No excuses, if he is wrong, then I will say so as I have previously, if I feel he has been maligned for someone's agenda, I will also say so and if he deserves the benefit of the doubt, it will also be said.

Isn't that what we all would want should the finger be pointed at our own anxieties and a wrong judgement be made?

[rusticgal]

Possibly. Have just seen that you replied to me whilst I was going back through this thread :p



I know Ive explained this before..but I checked and it wasn't on this post..sorry.
Hence I've explained myself again.

[Vicky.]

The bigger picture is this..

Lewis not only got sat on his own for the first 5 hours..but he also got a screaming baby and the Chinese language task. He was singled out for that task. On the journey home he thought he deserved the FClass seat but he didn't get it...not only didn't he get it..he got sat on his own again for an even longer journey. He lost it...many would. Put yourself in that position for one minute and just try and understand why he lost it briefly...that moment of thinking that you deserve something because you had the worst scenario on the other journey.Call it what you like 'tantrum' 'hissy fit' 'throwing toys out his pram'..it's just human nature.

I already said I understand him being pissed off :shrug:

Though he seemed to enjoy the baby task.

But the tantrum WAS still over him not getting first class :laugh: Which was my point in the first place. Meanwhile, its apparently explained away as anxiety, though it was just a strop over not getting a privelige that he felt he deserved. (and as I said earlier in the thread, that I would have given to him based on the 'journey there' but thats not really the point)

Actually, is there a reason Lewis was put in a seat on his own? I don't remember if they picked their own seats or if they were told to sit there.

[GoldHeart]

I already said I understand him being pissed off :shrug:

Though he seemed to enjoy the baby task.

But the tantrum WAS still over him not getting first class :laugh: Which was my point in the first place. Meanwhile, its apparently explained away as anxiety, though it was just a strop over not getting a privelige that he felt he deserved. (and as I said earlier in the thread, that I would have given to him based on the 'journey there' but thats not really the point)

Actually, is there a reason Lewis was put in a seat on his own? I don't remember if they picked their own seats or if they were told to sit there.

The cabin crew picked the seats for them , so yeah Lewis was sitting on his own twice . But he didn't need to throw a strop .

[poppsywoppsy]

I already said I understand him being pissed off :shrug:

Though he seemed to enjoy the baby task.

But the tantrum WAS still over him not getting first class :laugh: Which was my point in the first place. Meanwhile, its apparently explained away as anxiety, though it was just a strop over not getting a privelige that he felt he deserved. (and as I said earlier in the thread, that I would have given to him based on the 'journey there' but thats not really the point)

Actually, is there a reason Lewis was put in a seat on his own? I don't remember if they picked their own seats or if they were told to sit there.

Anyway, Lewis is a happy bunny now, as seen last night, going over and over it has not changed entrenched views, so let's see what happens next.


I honestly think him not getting that seat was the catalyst which started the anxiety. He then faced another 7 hours on his own and said he couldn't do it.

[rusticgal]

I already said I understand him being pissed off :shrug:

Though he seemed to enjoy the baby task.

But the tantrum WAS still over him not getting first class :laugh: Which was my point in the first place. Meanwhile, its apparently explained away as anxiety, though it was just a strop over not getting a privelige that he felt he deserved. (and as I said earlier in the thread, that I would have given to him based on the 'journey there' but thats not really the point)

Actually, is there a reason Lewis was put in a seat on his own? I don't remember if they picked their own seats or if they were told to sit there.

It wasn't just about getting First class...it may have been part of it...but if it had just been the first class seat..he would have kicked off when they didn't put him in it. He lost it when they said it was going to be a 7 hour flight...
It was an accumulation of things...and the thought of 7 hours was the last straw...
But if you want to believe it was 'just the first class seat'...then so be it.

...and they didn't get to sit where they liked...they were given seat numbers.

[Vicky.]

Not at all, let's see his other rants and discuss the circumstances surrounding them to come to a decision based on what has happened at that time.

It is just giving a fair and considered opinion rather than lumping them altogether under the one banner.

No excuses, if he is wrong, then I will say so as I have previously, if I feel he has been maligned for someone's agenda, I will also say so and if he deserves the benefit of the doubt, it will also be said.

Isn't that what we all would want should the finger be pointed at our own anxieties and a wrong judgement be made?

I think thats a bit deep tbh. I don't watch BB to psychoanalyze housemates or to think of every other situation where they have acted the same to try and compare them. On this occasion, I feel he had a strop because he was not picked for first class.

You really want me to go back through all his rants/stroppy behavior to come to a conclusions on this one?!

I have stuck up for him over the anxiety thing before too. When he was going way OTT over Anamelia, saying she was targeting him and such which was clearly bollocks. I think I may have been wrong though, to stick up for him in that instance, as once she had gone, he said Lewis was targeting him (though lewis was purposely trying to piss him off so that example doesn't count really) but then, after that he reckoned Kay was doing the same. So to me, that kind of says this is his gameplan. To play on the anxiety thing, and make himself into the victim in all situations. I may be wrong on that, but based on what I have seen so far (as of course we cannot comment on what we HAVEN'T seen) thats the conclusion I have came to. And yeah, on this plane thing, my conclusion is that he threw a strop over not being in first class. Nothing deeper than that.

Again, I have already said in this thread that if I was deciding who to get first class, I would have picked Lewis (though I would have picked Akeem also, not Cameron) given he got stuck with the baby on the way there. But the fact that I would have given it to Lewis does not mean I think he was right for basically throwing the toys out of the pram because he wasn't picked.

Though it was certainly better to watch than them all just accepting it and sitting mute throughout the task.

Its just the defending/excusing obvious silly behaviour thats annoying me a bit:laugh:

[GoldHeart]

It wasn't just about getting First class...it may have been part of it...but if it had just been the first class seat..he would have kicked off when they didn't put him in it. He lost it when they said it was going to be a 7 hour flight...
It was an accumulation of things...and the thought of 7 hours was the last straw...
But if you want to believe it was 'just the first class seat'...then so be it.

...and they didn't get to sit where they liked...they were given seat numbers.

Yeah the cabin crew had to choose where they all sat .

But as I've said I doubt BB would of made them all sit in that room for 7 hours !!! . They were obviously winding up the housemates.

[Vicky.]

Anyway, Lewis is a happy bunny now, as seen last night, going over and over it has not changed entrenched views, so let's see what happens next.


I honestly think him not getting that seat was the catalyst which started the anxiety. He then faced another 7 hours on his own and said he couldn't do it.

He wasn't on his own though. If they had been put in separate rooms for the task, I could understand it. But they were all in the same room. No reason at all why he could not talk to anyone...even Cameron in first class. Especially as they seemed to spend most of the time wandering round the task room/plane anyway and only had to be seated for landing/takeoff/turbulence!

[Vicky.]

It wasn't just about getting First class...it may have been part of it...but if it had just been the first class seat..he would have kicked off when they didn't put him in it. He lost it when they said it was going to be a 7 hour flight...
It was an accumulation of things...and the thought of 7 hours was the last straw...
But if you want to believe it was 'just the first class seat'...then so be it.

...and they didn't get to sit where they liked...they were given seat numbers.

I believe it was the first class thing yes, He didn't kick off til they announced 7 hours but I think the first class thing had been going over in his head and he was getting madder and madder at not being picked :shrug:

[poppsywoppsy]

I think thats a bit deep tbh. I don't watch BB to psychoanalyze housemates or to think of every other situation where they have acted the same to try and compare them. On this occasion, I feel he had a strop because he was not picked for first class.

You really want me to go back through all his rants/stroppy behavior to come to a conclusions on this one?!

I have stuck up for him over the anxiety thing before too. When he was going way OTT over Anamelia, saying she was targeting him and such which was clearly bollocks. I think I may have been wrong though, to stick up for him in that instance, as once she had gone, he said Lewis was targeting him (though lewis was purposely trying to piss him off so that example doesn't count really) but then, after that he reckoned Kay was doing the same. So to me, that kind of says this is his gameplan. To play on the anxiety thing, and make himself into the victim in all situations. I may be wrong on that, but based on what I have seen so far (as of course we cannot comment on what we HAVEN'T seen) thats the conclusion I have came to. And yeah, on this plane thing, my conclusion is that he threw a strop over not being in first class. Nothing deeper than that.

Again, I have already said in this thread that if I was deciding who to get first class, I would have picked Lewis (though I would have picked Akeem also, not Cameron) given he got stuck with the baby on the way there. But the fact that I would have given it to Lewis does not mean I think he was right for basically throwing the toys out of the pram because he wasn't picked.

Though it was certainly better to watch than them all just accepting it and sitting mute throughout the task.

Its just the defending/excusing obvious silly behaviour thats annoying me a bit:laugh:


You have misread my post.

I was writing about any future rants or anxieties, that's not to deep is it. Only when it happens, which I am sure you will not miss, then no doubt you will psychoanalyse as much as you have in this situation.

It is not too hard to not prejudge either.


He has said previously about his anxieties, we have seen them, why was it any different this time. For those who have experienced anxiety, kindness and understanding works best, as you would know.

[rusticgal]

Yeah the cabin crew had to choose where they all sat .

But as I've said I doubt BB would of made them all sit in that room for 7 hours !!! . They were obviously winding up the housemates.


The cabin crew ONLY decided who was going in First Class...we NEVER saw them allocate the other seats...so thats an assumption not a fact.

[GoldHeart]

The cabin crew ONLY decided who was going in First Class...we NEVER saw them allocate the other seats...so thats an assumption not a fact.

The seat numbers must of been decided by them. Why didn't they sit in the same places then ? . Or did BB give then different tickets with new seat numbers .

I know Cian and the other's were sat in different seats weren't they?? Or am I mistaken :conf:

[poppsywoppsy]

He wasn't on his own though. If they had been put in separate rooms for the task, I could understand it. But they were all in the same room. No reason at all why he could not talk to anyone...even Cameron in first class. Especially as they seemed to spend most of the time wandering round the task room/plane anyway and only had to be seated for landing/takeoff/turbulence!

is there nothing you are not beating him up on?

Poor bloke can't do anything right for you, give him a break, it's becoming oppressive.

[Vicky.]

is there nothing you are not beating him up on?

Poor bloke can't do anything right for you, give him a break, it's becoming oppressive.

Its one thing I think hes being a prat in. This is 'oppressive'? Really? I think you are overly obsessed with him, if you cannot accept that some people will NOT excuse his every move for some reason or another.

And I blow hot and cold with him, often depending on the episode (though know if I knew him in real life I would avoid him like the plague). Like I can go from disliking him to him being my fave, overnight. Especially given I tend to go on entertainment value rather than who is 'nice'. So not entirely sure why you have decided to take such an issue over me thinking he was being as brat in this instance, tbh. Whilst still acknowledging the entertainment of the situation too!

Like, what exactly WAS stopping him speaking to the other people in the room? You said this as if he was totally alone. He was still in a room with like 10 other people who could hear if he spoke in a normal manner :joker:

[poppsywoppsy]

Its one thing I think hes being a prat in. This is 'oppressive'? Really? I think you are overly obsessed with him, if you cannot accept that some people will NOT excuse his every move for some reason or another.

And I blow hot and cold with him, often depending on the episode (though know if I knew him in real life I would avoid him like the plague). Like I can go from disliking him to him being my fave, overnight. Especially given I tend to go on entertainment value rather than who is 'nice'. So not entirely sure why you have decided to take such an issue over me thinking he was being as brat in this instance, tbh. Whilst still acknowledging the entertainment of the situation too!

Like, what exactly WAS stopping him speaking to the other people in the room? You said this as if he was totally alone. He was still in a room with like 10 other
people who could hear if he spoke in a normal manner :joker:

I have stated over and over about his faults so in no way have I ever excused them. Others may have but not me.

Please read my posts before misrepresenting them in your reply.

[rusticgal]

The seat numbers must of been decided by them. Why didn't they sit in the same places then ? . Or did BB give then different tickets with new seat numbers .

I know Cian and the other's were sat in different seats weren't they?? Or am I mistaken :conf:

I think BB re sat them IMO..

Anyway...I'm done on this thread. It's getting tiresome talking about a task that happened 5 days ago..:wavey:

[Vicky.]

I have stated over and over about his faults so in no way have I ever excused them. Others may have but not me.

Please read my posts before misrepresenting them in your reply.

Please don't call me oppressive for pointing out that I think hes just being a prat in this instance then :shrug: