Jussie Smollett's attack on camera as police confirm rope was put around his neck

[Beso]

It seems like Smollett is the first American to scam 2 Nigerians :hehe:

Fantastic.:dance::dance:

[Northern Monkey]

Never followed this story but reading the thread start to finish is fascinating.

So did he pay these guys to beat him up or not?

Why was he wandering around with a piece of rope round his neck?

I’m none the wiser.

[Oliver_W]

Never followed this story but reading the thread start to finish is fascinating.

So did he pay these guys to beat him up or not?

Why was he wandering around with a piece of rope round his neck?

I’m none the wiser.

Nothing's confirmed yet, but it seems like he paid them to help fake the hatecrime, and the rope was part of the monkeyshines.

[user104658]

Never followed this story but reading the thread start to finish is fascinating.

So did he pay these guys to beat him up or not?

Why was he wandering around with a piece of rope round his neck?

I’m none the wiser.

When it comes right down to it the situation is still as it was on the first page; all the information is as yet unavailable and people are keen to draw conclusions from an incomplete story. Those who were certain that he was definitely attacked currently have egg on their faces as recent developments certainly indicate that it may have been a staged attack and that he was in on it... however... that makes it seem even stranger to me that the "other side" are so willing to commit fully to the idea that they've "now figured out what happened" which is clearly risking the same.

For what it's worth, it looks like the original story is absolutely full of holes but there's probably more to it than what has come out so far.

It's a fascinating story if you look at it from a detached standpoint but a LOT of people seem to have some sort of vested interest in this... on "both sides"... for various reasons which are *ahem* open to speculation :hee:. It's become a tense battle between opposing circlejerking factions who are each desperate to shout "HAH! Told u so!!!" and the actual details are mattering less and less. No matter what the outcome, no one is winning here, except of course sensible chaps like you and me NM who are only here for the show.


[edit] Oh, also, Alf took the "it's all BS" stance immediately and was proven (it seems) right after there had already been a lot of battling about it... but then in his vindication, made an utter spectacle of himself and got a week long ban. And Becs is Alf on an alt, OR maybe Brillo, OR a friend of Alf's, OR a new member but no one cares. That should be you up to date.

[Tom4784]

It's disgusting if it's true as he has made light of racism and homophobia to profit from it but I just can't see it being true, it just doesn't make sense. He's got a steady gig that would have likely led to other opportunities given Empire's success and he could have easily become a spokesperson through normal means given his position.

I'll be very interested to see how this turns out.

[user104658]

It's disgusting if it's true as he has made light of racism and homophobia to profit from it but I just can't see it being true, it just doesn't make sense. He's got a steady gig that would have likely led to other opportunities given Empire's success and he could have easily become a spokesperson through normal means given his position.

I'll be very interested to see how this turns out.

Well that's my thinking. His version doesn't seem to fit with the evidence (that we know of), but the alternative narrative seems insane in terms of motive. Waiting for secret option C to drop is the only real choice.

[user104658]

There'll probably be a Netflix documentary about it in a couple of years. We should just wait for that :think:

[Niamh.]

maybe he's doing some sort of method acting for a new role or something? :unsure:

[Crimson Dynamo]

When it comes right down to it the situation is still as it was on the first page; all the information is as yet unavailable and people are keen to draw conclusions from an incomplete story. Those who were certain that he was definitely attacked currently have egg on their faces as recent developments certainly indicate that it may have been a staged attack and that he was in on it... however... that makes it seem even stranger to me that the "other side" are so willing to commit fully to the idea that they've "now figured out what happened" which is clearly risking the same.

For what it's worth, it looks like the original story is absolutely full of holes but there's probably more to it than what has come out so far.

It's a fascinating story if you look at it from a detached standpoint but a LOT of people seem to have some sort of vested interest in this... on "both sides"... for various reasons which are *ahem* open to speculation :hee:. It's become a tense battle between opposing circlejerking factions who are each desperate to shout "HAH! Told u so!!!" and the actual details are mattering less and less. No matter what the outcome, no one is winning here, except of course sensible chaps like you and me NM who are only here for the show.


[edit] Oh, also, Alf took the "it's all BS" stance immediately and was proven (it seems) right after there had already been a lot of battling about it... but then in his vindication, made an utter spectacle of himself and got a week long ban. And Becs is Alf on an alt, OR maybe Brillo, OR a friend of Alf's, OR a new member but no one cares. That should be you up to date.

Listen there were plenty of us abused by members for daring to doubt a gay black man who was supposed to have been attacked by trump fans

The thread was incorrectly opened and worded from the start

All the bigotry and preducise came from members in ivory towers thinking that they had to be right

Naturally there is no sight of them now

[user104658]

Listen there were plenty of us abused by members for daring to doubt a gay black man who was supposed to have been attacked by trump fans

The thread was incorrectly opened and worded from the start

All the bigotry and preducise came from members in ivory towers thinking that they had to be right

Naturally there is no sight of them now

In my opinion, the argument was entirely between people with agenda-driven opinions, and no one at all would have been "abused" if (yes) the story had been reported impartially in the first place, or if the response had been a healthy detached scepticism rather than driven by incredulity.

It's the difference between;

"I'm not sure if this entirely adds up, let's wait and see how it unfolds"

and

"You're 'avin a larf aintcher??? What a load of NONSENSE!!! Definitely untrue!"

An alleged attack victim should be given the benefit of the doubt until there IS evidence that contradicts it... and as it turns out, it wouldn't have required much patience to wait for this one to start unravelling.

And I have to stand by the opinion that Alf got the ban for the spectacle he made once vindicated / the additional things he said, and not because "people couldn't handle being wrong".

I do agree though that there are certain names suddenly missing from the thread now that the narrative has changed but I don't know that there's much point harping on about that or making it a character flaw... I mean not to be too patronising but we all had to learn at some point, and there's nothing inherently WRONG with wanting to believe the best in people when they say something has happened to them.

[Northern Monkey]

When it comes right down to it the situation is still as it was on the first page; all the information is as yet unavailable and people are keen to draw conclusions from an incomplete story. Those who were certain that he was definitely attacked currently have egg on their faces as recent developments certainly indicate that it may have been a staged attack and that he was in on it... however... that makes it seem even stranger to me that the "other side" are so willing to commit fully to the idea that they've "now figured out what happened" which is clearly risking the same.

For what it's worth, it looks like the original story is absolutely full of holes but there's probably more to it than what has come out so far.

It's a fascinating story if you look at it from a detached standpoint but a LOT of people seem to have some sort of vested interest in this... on "both sides"... for various reasons which are *ahem* open to speculation :hee:. It's become a tense battle between opposing circlejerking factions who are each desperate to shout "HAH! Told u so!!!" and the actual details are mattering less and less. No matter what the outcome, no one is winning here, except of course sensible chaps like you and me NM who are only here for the show.


[edit] Oh, also, Alf took the "it's all BS" stance immediately and was proven (it seems) right after there had already been a lot of battling about it... but then in his vindication, made an utter spectacle of himself and got a week long ban. And Becs is Alf on an alt, OR maybe Brillo, OR a friend of Alf's, OR a new member but no one cares. That should be you up to date.
Thanks for the update TS :thumbs:

I wouldn’t like to take a side on this as I don’t know much about it.(same reason I generally stay out of the McCann threads).
It seems very strange though from everything i’ve read on here.The original story seems to get weaker as time goes by.

Maybe more evidence will come about later or if not one of those unsolved mysteries shows will tackle it.

People’s instant reaction these days especially when it comes to minorities or women is ‘always believe the victim’ which I don’t agree with.It seems like people wanting to be with the ‘In crowd’ or ‘woke brigade’ as leaning left is the current trend,Or pay the ultimate price of being left out in the cold on Twitter.
Opinions are the latest fasion accessories.

Modern politics has a part to play in this.
People are either on one side or the other.Left or Right.Choose a side.
No room for good old fence sitting anymore.

[Tom4784]

It's quite petty to demand apologies from people for believing the best in others. A bigger person would have let it go.

[Niamh.]

In my opinion, the argument was entirely between people with agenda-driven opinions, and no one at all would have been "abused" if (yes) the story had been reported impartially in the first place, or if the response had been a healthy detached scepticism rather than driven by incredulity.

It's the difference between;

"I'm not sure if this entirely adds up, let's wait and see how it unfolds"

and

"You're 'avin a larf aintcher??? What a load of NONSENSE!!! Definitely untrue!"

An alleged attack victim should be given the benefit of the doubt until there IS evidence that contradicts it... and as it turns out, it wouldn't have required much patience to wait for this one to start unravelling.

And I have to stand by the opinion that Alf got the ban for the spectacle he made once vindicated / the additional things he said, and not because "people couldn't handle being wrong".

I do agree though that there are certain names suddenly missing from the thread now that the narrative has changed but I don't know that there's much point harping on about that or making it a character flaw... I mean not to be too patronising but we all had to learn at some point, and there's nothing inherently WRONG with wanting to believe the best in people when they say something has happened to them.

There was the unharmed sandwich tbf :hehe:

[bots]

There was the unharmed sandwich tbf :hehe:

don't you mean the unhamed sandwich :hee:

[Niamh.]

Thanks for the update TS :thumbs:

I wouldn’t like to take a side on this as I don’t know much about it.(same reason I generally stay out of the McCann threads).
It seems very strange though from everything i’ve read on here.The original story seems to get weaker as time goes by.

Maybe more evidence will come about later or if not one of those unsolved mysteries shows will tackle it.

People’s instant reaction these days especially when it comes to minorities or women is ‘always believe the victim’ which I don’t agree with.It seems like people wanting to be with the ‘In crowd’ or ‘woke brigade’ as leaning left is the current trend,Or pay the ultimate price of being left out in the cold on Twitter.
Opinions are the latest fasion accessories.

Modern politics has a part to play in this.
People are either on one side or the other.Left or Right.Choose a side.
No room for good old fence sitting anymore.

To me, it seems more likely someone would be telling the truth about being attacked than making it up though? It just seems a much more likely scenario. It's bad that if a victim comes to the police or whoever that they would be instantly be viewed with cynical eyes imo

[user104658]

There was the unharmed sandwich tbf :hehe:

Circumstantial; the sandwich may have been immediately dropped and not involved in the scuffle, and picked up afterwards. Which is a bit grubby but each to their own! Or the incident might have been over very quickly, so the legally binding 5-second-rule could be implemented.

don't you mean the unhamed sandwich :hee:

Sheer conjecture :nono:

[Northern Monkey]

Nothing's confirmed yet, but it seems like he paid them to help fake the hatecrime, and the rope was part of the monkeyshines.

If that’s true then using ‘hate crime’ to get publicity is some fecked up shiz.

[user104658]

To me, it seems more likely someone would be telling the truth about being attacked than making it up though? It just seems a much more likely scenario. It's bad that if a victim comes to the police or whoever that they would be instantly be viewed with cynical eyes imo

I agree but I guess that's where I'd draw a distinction between "benefit of the doubt" and "automatically believe" where there's a subtle difference. The police don't automatically believe the accuser, but would never disbelieve them or say "that doesn't sound true to me". Likewise, when they question the alleged attacker they don't walk in and shout "Hey! You attacked this man!"... the accused also gets the benefit of the doubt until questions have been answered and evidence / witnesses gathered.

[bots]

The motivation for setting the whole thing up is pretty obvious to me, if thats how it all turns out. It was a political stunt to discredit Trump and his supporters. Which is just so very very stupid given the amount of 100% genuine crap that trump and his supporters have done.

[Niamh.]

don't you mean the unhamed sandwich :hee:

oh lettuce alone will you :fist:

[user104658]

The motivation for setting the whole thing up is pretty obvious to me, if thats how it all turns out. It was a political stunt to discredit Trump and his supporters. Which is just so very very stupid given the amount of 100% genuine crap that trump and his supporters have done.

But it seems like SUCH a stupid idea that this doesn't ring true either; and you could go right down the rabbit hole and suggest that the fallout from this is that genuine anti-Trump/MAGA stories are now easier to dismiss as nothing or "fake news"... and thus, you could speculate that someone else set ALL of this up to discredit people who are attempting to discredit Trump and his supporters.

Like... Racehatecrimeception.

[Northern Monkey]

To me, it seems more likely someone would be telling the truth about being attacked than making it up though? It just seems a much more likely scenario. It's bad that if a victim comes to the police or whoever that they would be instantly be viewed with cynical eyes imo

I think the police should be viewing it with critical eyes.Not critical as in the negative sense but as in ‘critical thinking’ like is used in university projects.

They should show sympathy while mentally staying firmly on the fence until they the evidence is there.

Anybody can say they’ve been a victim of a hate crime now to use as an aggravating factor or even if no crime is committed.

[user104658]

I think the police should be viewing it with critical eyes.Not critical as in the negative sense but as in ‘critical thinking’ like is used in university projects.

They should show sympathy while mentally staying firmly on the fence until they the evidence is there.

I mean, in my experience this generally is what the police (at least in the UK) do. And my experience of the various US police forces mainly comes from TV and films so I'm hoping the truth is more similar to how our police work than the dramatised version :joker:.

I mean I've sadly witnessed the police attend a number of "assaults" that were more accurately mutual fights that escalated, and they definitely don't barge in pointing fingers until they've asked bystanders what actually happened. It's usually us they ask because the shop has a good view of the area and we're nosy / bored AF and gather round the windows when there's drama outside :hehe:.

[bots]

But it seems like SUCH a stupid idea that this doesn't ring true either; and you could go right down the rabbit hole and suggest that the fallout from this is that genuine anti-Trump/MAGA stories are now easier to dismiss as nothing or "fake news"... and thus, you could speculate that someone else set ALL of this up to discredit people who are attempting to discredit Trump and his supporters.

Like... Racehatecrimeception.

there is so much disinformation floating about now that it does get difficult to look past the noise

[Niamh.]

there is so much disinformation floating about now that it does get difficult to look past the noise

Best way to kill actual stories

[Northern Monkey]

I mean, in my experience this generally is what the police (at least in the UK) do. And my experience of the various US police forces mainly comes from TV and films so I'm hoping the truth is more similar to how our police work than the dramatised version :joker:.

I mean I've sadly witnessed the police attend a number of "assaults" that were more accurately mutual fights that escalated, and they definitely don't barge in pointing fingers until they've asked bystanders what actually happened.

That’s how it should be.

I think the ‘always believe the accuser’ thing is not from the police but more a current social media trend.People want to look like they’re on the ‘right’ side.

Opinions = fashion accessories

[Crimson Dynamo]

I still cant get over two Nigerian Body builders being such Trump fans, just shows you how well he is doing..

[Oliver_W]

With things like the Covington Catholic school and now this, you'd think the media would be more careful before peddling fake news...

[Niamh.]

With things like the Covington Catholic school and now this, you'd think the media would be more careful before peddling fake news...

It's not fake news though, the incident actually happened, whether it was a set up or not is another matter (which should also be reported about)

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not fake news though, the incident actually happened, whether it was a set up or not is another matter (which should also be reported about)

many news media were so keen for it to be true they just ran it as so

[Niamh.]

many news media were so keen for it to be true they just ran it as so

They were just reporting on an incident that did happen though and the guys statement :shrug:

[Marsh.]

That’s how it should be.

I think the ‘always believe the accuser’ thing is not from the police but more a current social media trend.People want to look like they’re on the ‘right’ side.

Opinions = fashion accessories

Is there an 'always believe the accuser' trend?

Isn't it more of a 'take all accusations seriously and investigate'?

[Dash Darington]

There are people in this thread still acting like they don't know what happened here, or even more ridiculously, still trying to malign the people who expressed skepticism initially. This is what happens when you adhere to an ideology. Any ideology is going to diverge from reality sooner or later, causing this type of cognitive dissonance where people can't accept reality.

[Tom4784]

With things like the Covington Catholic school and now this, you'd think the media would be more careful before peddling fake news...

You need to brush up on what constitutes fake news before you try to brand stories with that label.

[Oliver_W]

You need to brush up on what constitutes fake news before you try to brand stories with that label.

The Covington story wasn't as initially painted, and this one seems to have been orchestrated by Jussie himself. They're pushing the boundaries for true news quite a bit tbh

[arista]

All USA News keeps playing his ABC News Live interview
with him telling porkies


He needs to come clean
on CNN HD

[Tom4784]

The Covington story wasn't as initially painted, and this one seems to have been orchestrated by Jussie himself. They're pushing the boundaries for true news quite a bit tbh

They are developing stories, not fake news.

Fake news is something that's completely false that is published to push an agenda or garner a reaction. Smollet was actually attacked, it's just not known whether or not he orchestrated it or not.

[Oliver_W]

How do we know he was attacked, there's no evidence for this. For all we know, his two friends might have given him the mild bruises in his apartment, and then met him at the CCTV blindspot to hand him the rope.

[arista]

How do we know he was attacked, there's no evidence for this. For all we know, his two friends might have given him the mild bruises in his apartment, and then met him at the CCTV blindspot to hand him the rope.


The Police interviewed the 2 Nigerians
who got paid by him
Thats why the police let them go.


Every News
is saying he lied.

[Tom4784]

How do we know he was attacked, there's no evidence for this. For all we know, his two friends might have given him the mild bruises in his apartment, and then met him at the CCTV blindspot to hand him the rope.

Still not fake news no matter how hard you try to make it so. Whether it was a fake attack or not, it's still an attack. People aren't questioning it happened, people are questioning whether it was orchestrated or not.

It's a developing story.

[arista]

Chicago Police now want to Interview Him
again.

[Oliver_W]

For anyone who was wondering what kind of stupid name Jussie is:
https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/20190220_195909-1-jpg.671719/

spoilered for size

[Tom4784]

For anyone who was wondering what kind of stupid name Jussie is:
https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/20190220_195909-1-jpg.671719/

spoilered for size

What is the point of this?

[Oliver_W]

What is the point of this?

Nothing, I just saw it and thought it was funny, and someone upthread questioned what kind of name "Jussie" is.

[Firewire]

You said "what kind of stupid name"

Jussie is a nickname for Justin, I don't find that stupid at all :shrug:

[Marsh.]

No different to a Nicholas being called Nicky. :shrug:

[Black Dagger]

Lol a nickname haha hilarious.

[Matthew.]

Oh wow god forbid someone shorten their name

[Oliver_W]

Sorry I'll update with actual news

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4597&stc=1&d=1550702123
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4598&stc=1&d=1550702135

[bots]

CHICAGO (AP) — Chicago detectives suspect that “Empire” actor Jussie Smollett filed a false police report when he said he was the victim of a racist, homophobic attack in downtown Chicago late last month, a police official said Wednesday.

Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi also said Wednesday that detectives and two brothers who were earlier deemed suspects in the Jan. 29 attack were testifying before a grand jury.

Smollett’s attorneys, Todd Pugh and Victor P. Henderson, met with prosecutors and police earlier Wednesday afternoon. It’s unknown what was discussed or whether Smollett attended the meeting. The attorneys didn’t reply to requests seeking comment.

[reece(:]

https://i.redd.it/af6npe9u40z11.jpg

[Jordan.]

I think he had us ALL fooled from the start

[bots]

I think he had us ALL fooled from the start

:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

Well done Alf :clap1:

You had it sussed.

Columbo of our time.

[arista]

Sorry I'll update with actual news

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4597&stc=1&d=1550702123
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4598&stc=1&d=1550702135


Yes he is in big trouble
making up a false crime.

[Elliot]

I’m screaming what a mess!

[RileyH]

Alf won huh

[user104658]

Alf won huh

And Becs w...

oh wait

http://i68.tinypic.com/2e56qn4.jpg

[arista]

And Becs w...

oh wait

http://i68.tinypic.com/2e56qn4.jpg


Yes Busy Poster

[SherzyK]

Alf won huh

He got banned so is that REALLY a win?

With regards to the topic, what he did was really foolish considering that people are subjected to this type of hatred and violence on a regular basis. I didn’t want to believe it was a stunt but I’d rather have felt sympathetic for him than just be cynical and thinking he was making it up

[James]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/cp0/e15/q65/p320x320/12669507_10154051216481019_3718660967112815158_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=e857a7edb9b77a6e5407def38c54167d&oe=5CE73163

'Just one more thing...'

[RileyH]

He got banned so is that REALLY a win?

With regards to the topic, what he did was really foolish considering that people are subjected to this type of hatred and violence on a regular basis. I didn’t want to believe it was a stunt but I’d rather have felt sympathetic for him than just be cynical and thinking he was making it up

Well he did make it up so

[Cherie]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/cp0/e15/q65/p320x320/12669507_10154051216481019_3718660967112815158_n.j pg?_nc_cat=109&efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=e857a7edb9b77a6e5407def38c54167d&oe=5CE73163

'Just one more thing...'

:joker:

[SherzyK]

Well he did make it up so

At the time it was believable but now that his real intentions became apparent I kinda resent that I did defend him. Of course I’m gonna feel sympathetic when I first heard the story, but why it was doubted in the first place just screams cynical

[Denver]

It is like an episode of Silent Witness

[armand.kay]

Alf won huh

must be killing him, being banned...

[Marsh.]

And Becs w...

oh wait

http://i68.tinypic.com/2e56qn4.jpg

Poor Brillo. :(

[Oliver_W]

At the time it was believable
Was it though?

Believable - that he got pushed over/punched by someone randomly in passing and possibly called a name.

Not believable - that he was recognised on a dark cold night, assaulted, attempted to be noosed, all by assailants who said "MAGA country" ... within a minute (the time he and the "suspects" weren't visible to CCTV)

If he didn't want to be caught, he should have kept his lies simple.

[SherzyK]

Was it though?

Believable - that he got pushed over/punched by someone randomly in passing and possibly called a name.

Not believable - that he was recognised on a dark cold night, assaulted, attempted to be noosed, all by assailants who said "MAGA country" ... within a minute (the time he and the "suspects" weren't visible to CCTV)

If he didn't want to be caught, he should have kept his lies simple.

That was the believable part. When I saw the injuries he sustained made me believe it even more. It does sound really exaggerated but that’s the information we were given

[Oliver_W]

That was the believable part. When I saw the injuries he sustained made me believe it even more. It does sound really exaggerated but that’s the information we were given
The injuries would have been the same if he slipped on some yellow ice tbh. But I guess we'll have to agree to differ - the story just sounds too ridiculous to be true to me, but whatever.