Jussie Smollett's attack on camera as police confirm rope was put around his neck

[reece(:]

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Police have confirmed that a rope was put around Empire star Jussie Smollett's neck when he was attacked in Chicago.

Cops have told TMZ that the assault was caught on a building surveillance camera.

The black, gay actor, who plays Jamal Lyon in the programme, was brutally assaulted by two men in what is believed to have been a homophobic and racist attack.

Jussie was walking in Chicago at 2am when he was allegedly beaten by two men who put his head in a noose and screamed "This is MAGA country".

Sources close to the star said he had arrived in Chicago from New York late on Monday night and decided to head out at 2am to get some food.

It's said he'd gone into a Subway store and when he walked out, someone shouted: "Aren't you that ********t Empire n****r?"

The two men, who were both wearing ski masks, are said to have viciously attacked Jussie, beating him so badly that he fractured a rib.

Jussie was taken to Northwestern Memorial hospital where he was treated and discharged the following morning.

Now, a woman who lives in Jussie's apartment building told police she saw a suspicious man, who she said looked like a "redneck", loitering outside the entrance

The unnamed woman told the site she left the building at 12.30am to take her dogs out and saw a man near the door, pacing between the parking garage and the entrance.

She said he looked agitated and was smoking a cigarette, adding that he looked "out of place"

The woman described the man as white and with scruff on his face and said he was wearing a blue winter beanie, blue zip-up sweatshirt with a hood and blue jeans that were too short, exposing "thick, grey hunting socks" with camel-coloured dress shoes.

She also said that she noticed what appeared to be a rope or a clotheslines, made of white and blue material, sticking out from the bottom of his sweatshirt.

The woman said the man was staring at another man standing outside another entrance to the building about 300 feet away.
She says she went back into the building after five minutes and woke up at 4am to go to the gym and noticed a lot of security.

She says the concierge told her about Jussie being attacked and she passed on what she had seen, with the staff member uring her to contact the police.

Police have released images of two persons of interest, but it is not known if one of them is the man the woman saw.

Officers had been checking footage of the area and say they have video of Jussie with rope draped around his neck as he walks through the lobby of his building.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jussie-smolletts-attack-camera-cops-13935765

https://www.tmz.com/2019/01/31/jussie-smollett-neighbor-suspicious-redneck-rope-attack-chicago/
The receipts are there

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[Jordan.]

Some apologies needed?

[Matthew.]

Some apologies needed?

I think so

[SherzyK]

Absolutely horrible. These men need to be found and put in jail.

[Oliver_W]

The receipts are there

What do you expect people to say, "yay, a horrible hate crime was carried out" ... ?

[Alf]

In your title, it says attack caught on camera, where in that report does it say that?

[Jordan.]

In your title, it says attack caught on camera, where in that report does it say that?

Second sentence down

Cops have told TMZ that the assault was caught on a building surveillance camera.

[reece(:]

In your title, it says attack caught on camera, where in that report does it say that?

9:45 AM PT -- Police confirm to TMZ they have video of Jussie with rope draped around his neck as he walks through the lobby of his building. That video was captured by a building surveillance camera.

A woman who lives in Jussie Smollett's apartment building told cops she saw a suspicious man -- whom she said looked like a "redneck" -- loitering just outside the entrance to the building an hour and a half before Jussie says he was attacked.

The woman -- who asked us not to use her name -- tells TMZ, she walked out of the building at 12:30 AM Tuesday to take her dogs out and saw the man near the door, pacing between the parking garage and entrance, looking agitated and smoking a cigarette. She says, "He looked out of place." He was a white man with scruff on his face wearing a blue winter beanie, a blue zip-up sweatshirt with a hood and blue jeans that were too short, exposing "thick, grey hunting socks" with camel-colored dress shoes.

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[reece(:]

What do you expect people to say, "yay, a horrible hate crime was carried out" ... ?

Why on earth would I want someone to say that :umm2: Nasty remark.

[Alf]

.That just says he had rope around his neck, where is the actual attack? Where is the footage of somebody actually putting it around his neck?

[AnnieK]

Jeez Alf, what if this were a rape?. Would you want footage of the crime to believe it? He was hospitalised, the police have released that he was filmed with a rope round his neck. He was the victim of what sounds like a pretty awful and violent attack and you want footage? That's pretty grim

[SherzyK]

That just says he had rope around his neck, where is the actual attack? Where is the footage of somebody actually putting it around his neck?

I mean it is confirmed by the police that the rope was indeed put around his neck. Don’t know why you want the actual video of it :umm2:

https://i.imgur.com/b3kEhnA.png

[reece(:]

I mean it is confirmed by the police that the rope was indeed put around his neck. Don’t know why you want the actual video of it :umm2:

https://i.imgur.com/b3kEhnA.png

Literally :bored:

That member is trying to cause trouble by playing semantics.

[Matthew.]

Literally :bored:

That member is trying to cause trouble by playing semantics.

:clap1:

[Alf]

Jeez Alf, what if this were a rape?. Would you want footage of the crime to believe it? He was hospitalised, the police have released that he was filmed with a rope round his neck. He was the victim of what sounds like a pretty awful and violent attack and you want footage? That's pretty grimWell evidence would help, yes.

[SherzyK]

Literally :bored:

That member is trying to cause trouble by playing semantics.

Key word is trying. Don’t know why they get so much satisfaction from it :bored:

[Beso]

Poor lad..he must have been ****ing terrified.

[DouglasS]

You've gotta be a complete knob to not believe this story or want real life footage to believe it when even police are confirming the attack based on evidence they have seen.

Not all evidence is posted public as it could be distressing.

[montblanc]

why are you so skeptical about this? :skull:

[SherzyK]

Well evidence would help, yes.

Yeah but the fact you wanna see such grim and horrific detail is saying something else :umm2:

[Alf]

You've gotta be a complete knob to not believe this story or want real life footage to believe it when even police are confirming the attack based on evidence they have seenWhy has this guy and his manager refused to give police access to their phones? His manager has claimed that he heard the attack on the phone.

[AnnieK]

Well evidence would help, yes.

I would hate to be that cynical Alf, or that desperate to be right. Even if there was footage, they are not going to release it or even comment on it as it is evidence in an on going criminal investigation, I'm surprised they have released as much as they have

[Oliver_W]

That just says he had rope around his neck, where is the actual attack? Where is the footage of somebody actually putting it around his neck?

Healthy scepticism about extraordinary claims is good - but don't you think the police might have evidence the rope was forcibly used? If he'd just draped it around his neck we'd certainly hear about it.

[Matthew.]

Alf just admit you don’t want to believe it because of who the victim is and go ffs

[Jordan.]

I would hate to be that cynical Alf, or that desperate to be right. Even if there was footage, they are not going to release it or even comment on it as it is evidence in an on going criminal investigation, I'm surprised they have released as much as they have

:clap1:

[SherzyK]

Why has this guy and his manager refused to give police access to their phones? His manager has claimed that he heard the attack on the phone.

This is obviously very distressing detail so why you still need video evidence is beyond me. You know it happened. Stop trying to be edgy and unique

[Alf]

Let's get it clear, I'm not or have never said this didn't happen. But there is doubt, and parts of the story that don't add up, I think until the truth comes out, it's best to keep an open mind rather than jumping to judgement

[Morgan.]

Let's get it clear, I'm not or have never said this didn't happen. But there is doubt, and parts of the story that don't add up, I think until the truth comes out, it's best to keep an open mind rather than jumping to judgement

Ok you do you

[SherzyK]

Let's get it clear, I'm not or have never said this didn't happen. But there is doubt, and parts of the story that don't add up, I think until the truth comes out, it's best to keep an open mind rather than jumping to judgement

There’s having an open mind and then there’s being ignorant. The attack obviously did happen and you wanted police reports, you got them :clap1: I’m still baffled at your skepticism. Almost as if you sympathise with the attackers because not once have you said anything about what they did

[Alf]

Ok you do youWhy would I want to do anybody else?

[Alf]

Some apologies needed?Nobody owes you anything, this story isn't about you

If this story is true then it's a terrible crime, if it's an hoax, then it's disgusting behavior, they're's no definate proof of either yet, but I can guarantee you that nobody owes you an apology.

[user104658]

Attacks by brown people: "THIS WAS DEFINITELY ISLAMIC TERRORISM we don't need any more information to know that! It's a safe bet! Probably illegal immigrant trash too!"

Attacks on brown people: "Let's wait 'til we have all of the facts before jumping to any conclusions."

[Matthew.]

Nobody owes you anything, this story isn't about you

If this story is true then it's a terrible crime, if it's an hoax, then it's disgusting behavior, they're's no definate proof of either yet, but I can guarantee you that nobody owes you an apology.

Or you could at least admit you got it wrong

[SherzyK]

Attacks by brown people: "THIS WAS DEFINITELY ISLAMIC TERRORISM we don't need any more information to know that! It's a safe bet! Probably illegal immigrant trash too!"

Attacks on brown people: "Let's wait 'til we have all of the facts before jumping to any conclusions."

:bored:

[Alf]

Or you could at least admit you got it wrongI haven't claimed anything yet, so what exactly have I got wrong?

[SherzyK]

I haven't claimed anything yet, so what exactly have I got wrong?

Everything

[Matthew.]

I haven't claimed anything yet, so what exactly have I got wrong?

You said there was no proof and now there is proof

[Alf]

Attacks by brown people: "THIS WAS DEFINITELY ISLAMIC TERRORISM we don't need any more information to know that! It's a safe bet! Probably illegal immigrant trash too!"

Attacks on brown people: "Let's wait 'til we have all of the facts before jumping to any conclusions."
And the opposite of that is said of you. so what now?

[SherzyK]

I think he blocked me :skull:

[Black Dagger]

Lmao. Despicable behaviour on show that will go overlooked. Just admit you're here for an argument and be done.

[Alf]

You said there was no proof and now there is proofWhat proof?

The police have searched through video and can't find any attack. The two people they have on camera who are persons of interest could be totally innocent.

Unless you have something?

[user104658]

And the opposite of that is said of you. so what now?

Is it though? I'm actually on board with waiting for the full story before jumping to conclusions, in all cases, and I haven't commented on this case, I was merely pointing out the "strange" double standard.

For what it's worth I don't think you're "racist", Alf, but I do think you're... defensive. You feel like it's "conceding something" to admit that people are attacked for reasons such as homophobia or racism... that doing so is somehow "losing ground". Just take each story as it comes :shrug:

[Alf]

Lmao. Despicable behaviour on show that will go overlooked. Just admit you're here for an argument and be done.Notice how I'm talking about the story and you're talking about me.

[Matthew.]

What proof?

The police have searched through video and can't find any attack. The two people they have on camera who are persons of interest could be totally innocent.

Unless you have something?

Or maybe you could look at the OP?

“Police have confirmed that a rope was put around Empire star Jussie Smollett's neck when he was attacked in Chicago.

Cops have told TMZ that the assault was caught on a building surveillance camera.”

[Jordan.]

Nobody owes you anything, this story isn't about you

If this story is true then it's a terrible crime, if it's an hoax, then it's disgusting behavior, they're's no definate proof of either yet, but I can guarantee you that nobody owes you an apology.

What made you think I was referring to myself? Apologies to the victim for doubting his honesty and suffering.

[SherzyK]

Notice how I'm talking about the story and you're talking about me.

Stop trying to play victim.

[Alf]

Or maybe you could look at the OP?

“Police have confirmed that a rope was put around Empire star Jussie Smollett's neck when he was attacked in Chicago.

Cops have told TMZ that the assault was caught on a building surveillance camera.”Well If it has been caught on surveillance camera then that is evidence, and then we can get to the truth, so what's your problem with me? I've just followed the story.

So now I will have to go and find some other sources that confirm this, is that OK?

[Matthew.]

Well If it has been caught on surveillance camera then that is evidence, and then we can get to the truth, so what's your problem with me? I've just followed the story.

So now I will have to go and find some other sources that confirm this, is that OK?

So why are you still skeptical if it was caught on camera

[Jason.]

Attacks by brown people: "THIS WAS DEFINITELY ISLAMIC TERRORISM we don't need any more information to know that! It's a safe bet! Probably illegal immigrant trash too!"

Attacks on brown people: "Let's wait 'til we have all of the facts before jumping to any conclusions."

Was literally thinking this while reading the thread.

Bigoted morons just can't be fixed.

[Oliver_W]

To be fair the attack itself still hasn't been found on camera, the only there's evidence for is that the rope was put around his neck. They wouldn't use it as evidence if if they thought it could just have been put there by himself, but there's still room for a scoach of scepticism.

[Alf]

So why are you still skeptical if it was caught on cameraBecause this one source you showed me is the only source I can find.

This is a serious crime/accusation, yet I've not seen anything definate yet.

Until there's definate proof that the attack is on camera, then he only has his word. I've read reports that his manager heard the attack on his phone, and reports that he and his manager have refused to give the police their phones.

[bots]

Neither the police or the hospital staff are stupid. If he has been faking it, they would soon say. You know so many people are attacked without there being any solid evidence of what happened, and it's not really typical to say someone is lying. Sure there are some attention seekers, but the normal course of action is to let the police do their job, and sympathise with the victim until proven otherwise.

[Alf]

Was literally thinking this while reading the thread.

Bigoted morons just can't be fixed.Got anything to say on the story? Or have you just posted to call other forum members bigots?

I guess you calling other people bigots means that you're not a bigot? Well done, give yourself a pat on the back

[Smithy]

Second sentence down

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Jeez Alf, what if this were a rape?. Would you want footage of the crime to believe it? He was hospitalised, the police have released that he was filmed with a rope round his neck. He was the victim of what sounds like a pretty awful and violent attack and you want footage? That's pretty grim

I mean it is confirmed by the police that the rope was indeed put around his neck. Don’t know why you want the actual video of it :umm2:

https://i.imgur.com/b3kEhnA.png

I would hate to be that cynical Alf, or that desperate to be right. Even if there was footage, they are not going to release it or even comment on it as it is evidence in an on going criminal investigation, I'm surprised they have released as much as they have

Alf just admit you don’t want to believe it because of who the victim is and go ffs

Ok you do you

Attacks by brown people: "THIS WAS DEFINITELY ISLAMIC TERRORISM we don't need any more information to know that! It's a safe bet! Probably illegal immigrant trash too!"

Attacks on brown people: "Let's wait 'til we have all of the facts before jumping to any conclusions."

Was literally thinking this while reading the thread.

Bigoted morons just can't be fixed.

https://i.redd.it/v10qbgglmks01.gif

[Alf]

You see how easily people get called bigots? Just because they're questioning an alleged crime. That's how easy it is to brand someone a bigot.

Dark times we live in.

[Alf]

Anybody who has doubts that Steven Avery and Brandan Dassey are guilty, then I think you just might be a bigot, is that right Jason?

[Jason.]

Got anything to say on the story? Or have you just posted to call other forum members bigots?

I guess you calling other people bigots means that you're not a bigot? Well done, give yourself a pat on the back

You see how easily people get called bigots? Just because they're questioning an alleged crime. That's how easy it is to brand someone a bigot.

Dark times we live in.

Anybody who has doubts that Steven Avery and Brandan Dassey are guilty, then I think you just might be a bigot, is that right Jason?

Looks like I struck a nerve.

[Alf]

Looks like I struck a nerve.Usually happens when you throw insults out. Did you expect me to just accept them?

[SherzyK]

Usually happens when you throw insults out. Did you expect me to just accept them?

Are you hurt by the fact it’s true? Usually you own these insults :blush:

[Matthew.]

You see how easily people get called bigots? Just because they're questioning an alleged crime. That's how easy it is to brand someone a bigot.

Dark times we live in.

I mean call a spade a spade

[Alf]

I mean call a spade a spadeWhy can't you call it a large tool?

[Alf]

I bet Alf stinks of piss and ****Go collect your winnings, you backed a winner.

[Twosugars]

So police are satisfied with the evidence of the attack, but Alf and Oliver are not. Ok. :skull:

[Oliver_W]

So police are satisfied with the evidence of the attack, but Alf and Oliver are not. Ok. :skull:

Can you read?

They wouldn't use it as evidence if if they thought it could just have been put there by himself, but there's still room for a scoach of scepticism.
Does it sound like I'm saying he's a liar, or the evidence still leaves room for doubt?

[Twosugars]

calm down
why room for scepticism then if the police are satisfied?

[Tom4784]

Why has this guy and his manager refused to give police access to their phones? His manager has claimed that he heard the attack on the phone.

Why are you looking for reasons to doubt the victim when the police confirmed they have footage that showed the attack as it was reported?

It was a racist and homophobic attack in which they made out they were gonna lynch the victim, a black man AND they were screaming MAGA at him, I wonder, is that last part why you're so desperate to cast doubt on this story despite the facts?

[Alf]

Why are you looking for reasons to doubt the victim when the police confirmed they have footage that showed the attack as it was reported?

It was a racist and homophobic attack in which they made out they were gonna lynch the victim, a black man AND they were screaming MAGA at him, I wonder, is that last part why you're so desperate to cast doubt on this story despite the facts?The police haven't confirmed anything of the kind. Keep up. The only thing which they have confirmed is that they want to speak to 2 persons of interest and they've shown a cctv picture of those 2 people walking, but they have found no footage of an actual attack. Those 2 people of interest could be totally innocent.

Why are you certain that this man, that you don't know, is telling the truth?

Yes, the MAGA part does arouse suspicion, TDS is a very common condition these days and judging by this guys previous tweets, it looks like he suffers from TDS (Trump derangement syndrome)

I think something happened, it could well be exactly as he says it was, it could have happened differently.

The story is questionable at the moment.

The story so far is that at 2.30am on the coldest day recorded, in a city that is a massive democrat voting, Trump hating City, Two people were roaming the streets in MAGA hats, wearing ski masks and carrying a rope and bleach, on the off chance that they'd bump into this Jussie fella. The area is camera laden, but police have yet to find any footage of an attack. The have found Jussie on camera walking with a rope around is neck.

[Alf]

Some of you people could potentially do jury service in the future. Frightening thought, judging by that you've all solved this case already, in fact you all solved it a few days ago.

[Tom4784]

The police haven't confirmed anything of the kind. Keep up. The only thing which they have confirmed is that they want to speak to 2 persons of interest and they've shown a cctv picture of those 2 people walking, but they have found no footage of an actual attack. Those 2 people of interest could be totally innocent.

Why are you certain that this man, that you don't know, is telling the truth?

Yes, the MAGA part does arouse suspicion, TDS is a very common condition these days and judging by this guys previous tweets, it looks like he suffers from TDS (Trump derangement syndrome)

Police have confirmed that a rope was put around Empire star Jussie Smollett's neck when he was attacked in Chicago.

Cops have told TMZ that the assault was caught on a building surveillance camera.

Denying reality to suit your own agenda isn't a good look.

[Tom4784]

Some of you people could potentially do jury service in the future. Frightening thought, judging by that you've all solved this case already, in fact you all solved it a few days ago.

Considering that you're still trying to deny this story despite the police confirming that the attack was caught on camera, you can't really talk, can you?

There's evidence of the attack yet you're still trying to deny it. Sometimes you just gotta admit you're wrong, Alf.

[Alf]

Denying reality to suit your own agenda isn't a good look.Who have they confirmed put that rope around his neck?

I don't have any agenda, and have not denied anything.

[Alf]

Considering that you're still trying to deny this story despite the police confirming that the attack was caught on camera, you can't really talk, can you?

There's evidence of the attack yet you're still trying to deny it. Sometimes you just gotta admit you're wrong, Alf.Show me footage of police confirming that the attack was caught on camera, they have done a press conference so your footage should be available there. .Show me footage of an attack.

[Oliver_W]

At least they were considerate enough to make sure the bleach didn't burn his skin or damage his clothing, and they didn't even damage his sandwich!
#ChicagoPolice source tells @fox32news that #JussieSmollett was seen on surveillance still holding his #Subway sandwich when he returned to the building after the alleged attack. (https://mobile.twitter.com/RaferWeigel/status/1091460453388017666)

[Tom4784]

Who have they confirmed put that rope around his neck?

I don't have any agenda, and have not denied anything.

Show me footage of police confirming that the attack was caught on camera, they have done a press conference so your footage should be available there. .Show me footage of an attack.

Imagine being this desperate to make out that a victim of a hate crime is lying based on nothing but your own incorrect assumptions.

The police have confirmed the facts, you can continue to delude yourself into thinking that this didn't happen or that it was set up or whatever you're thinking but that won't change the facts. Accept that you're wrong or continue to look foolish by denying the facts.

[Tom4784]

At least they were considerate enough to make sure the bleach didn't burn his skin or damage his clothing, and they didn't even damage his sandwich!

You should probably ask yourself why you are so desperate to try to poke holes in a crime when the police, who know more about this situation than any of us, have already confirmed the details of the attack.

[Glenn.]

Alf is trolling yes?

[Alf]

Imagine being this desperate to make out that a victim of a hate crime is lying based on nothing but your own incorrect assumptions.

The police have confirmed the facts, you can continue to delude yourself into thinking that this didn't happen or that it was set up or whatever you're thinking but that won't change the facts. Accept that you're wrong or continue to look foolish by denying the facts.You keep saying police have confirmed the fact's, and I keep asking you to prove it to me, yet you don't.

I've never once made out that he's lying, yet you say I have. I'm just talking about.the actual reality of what we know.

You keep making this about me, as though I've done something wrong, but it is you that has jumped to the conclusion of this story, before it's even been concluded.

[Alf]

Alf is trolling yes?What has your post got to do with this story?

Show me proof that there's no need to question this story.

[Matthew.]

Alf is trolling yes?

I just can’t picture it though. Other members, maybe, Alf, I very much doubt it...

[Alf]

I just can’t picture it though. Other members, maybe, Alf, I very much doubt it...If you've got nothing to add to this story, then be quiet.

[Oliver_W]

You should probably ask yourself why you are so desperate to try to poke holes in a crime when the police, who know more about this situation than any of us, have already confirmed the details of the attack.

Apparently one of the details they've confirmed is that his sandwich escape unscathed.

[AnnieK]

Alf, had Warren Mitchell been assaulted, hospitalised and obviously traumatised by a pretty awful attack that had racial and sexual undercurrents, would you want actual visual evidence of that attack, or would you sympathise with him??

[Alf]

Alf, had Warren Mitchell been assaulted, hospitalised and obviously traumatised by a pretty awful attack that had racial and sexual undercurrents, would you want actual visual evidence of that attack, or would you sympathise with him??Is it possible that he got beat up by doing something he wants to keep hidden, and made up this story to cover himself, is that possible?

[Alf]

If you people know the facts, then you should contact the Chicago PD, because they're struggling to solve this.

[AnnieK]

Is it possible that he got beat up by doing something he wants to keep hidden, and made up this story to cover himself, is that possible?

Of course its possible. It's not what I asked though.....if it were an actor you were familiar with, liked and respected, would you feel as strongly about the need for proof?

[Mokka]

Is it possible that he got beat up by doing something he wants to keep hidden, and made up this story to cover himself, is that possible?

Except that the timeline of the trip to the subway checks out with the video feed they have. Is it possible you're grasping at straws? :think:

[Alf]

Except that the timeline of the trip to the subway checks out with the video feed they have. Is it possible you're grasping at straws? :think:Nobody is doubting that he went to subway, In fact we know that he still had his sandwich after the alleged attack.

[SherzyK]

Nobody is doubting that he went to subway, In fact we know that he still had his sandwich after the alleged attack.

What satisfaction do you get from trolling?

[Alf]

Of course its possible. It's not what I asked though.....if it were an actor you were familiar with, liked and respected, would you feel as strongly about the need for proof?Depends on his story.

First we heard from TMZ that the attackers were wearing MAGA caps, then they deleted that part of the story.

It took the guys second statement to the Police to tell them that the attackers shouted "this is MAGA country"

The police have searched through lots of video in a security camera laden part of Downton Chicago, and haven't found any attack.

Two people walking around Downtown Chicago at 2.30 in the morning, on one of the coldest nights recorded, wearing ski masks and carrying a rope and a bottle of bleach, you'd think would stick out like a sore thumb?

[Jordan.]

Guys he kept hold of his sandwich so the hospital confirming he was treated for a fractured rib and bruising are clearly lying

[Niamh.]

Guys he kept hold of his sandwich so the hospital confirming he was treated for a fractured rib and bruising are clearly lying[emoji1787] the Sandwich is the iron clad evidence they were waiting for

[Alf]

Guys he kept hold of his sandwich so the hospital confirming he was treated for a fractured rib and bruising are clearly lyingThe question that needs confirming is, how did he get those fractured ribs? The police have found nothing to back his story up.

[Matthew.]

The question that needs confirming is, how did he get those fractured ribs? The police have found nothing to back his story up.

Oh idk, maybe because he was beaten up?

Bloody hell Alf, use your brain

[Jordan.]

The question that needs confirming is, how did he get those fractured ribs? The police have found nothing to back his story up.

I mean they already confirmed the rope part and have two suspects so "nothing" are you sure?

[Niamh.]

I mean they already confirmed the rope part and have two suspects so "nothing" are you sure?But his sandwich didn't get hurt :oh:

[Alf]

Oh idk, maybe because he was beaten up?

Bloody hell Alf, use your brainYeah you're right, I should use my brain by just shutting it down and accept what he says is the truth. I should know my place and not question anything. right?

[Oliver_W]

To be fair they're only suspects because they were out on the street at the same time, and it was a dark and icy night, can you think of any other ways he could have gotten bruises?

[Liam-]

The sandwich revolted and kicked **** out of him?

[Alf]

To be fair they're only suspects because they were out on the street at the same time, and it was a dark and icy night, can you think of any other ways he could have gotten bruises?No! there can be no other way. His story must be believed to be true, evidence or not, and that's the end of it.

[Alf]

And not only did he keep hold of his sandwich while being beat up and got a rope put around neck, but he was also on the phone at the same time, as his manager has claimed to hear the attack over the phone.

[reece(:]

It’s disgusting yall are still defaulting that he is lying :umm2:

[Twosugars]

Alf and Oliver say they're open minded but act like prosecution of the victim

[user104658]

If I was getting beaten up you damn well better believe I'd be keeping hold of my sandwich :hmph:.

Plot twist: it's not related to sexuality or race, they were trying to mug him for his sandwich and he protected it with his life and they left empty handed. A victory.

[Niamh.]

If I was getting beaten up you damn well better believe I'd be keeping hold of my sandwich :hmph:.

Plot twist: it's not related to sexuality or race, they were trying to mug him for his sandwich and he protected it with his life and they left empty handed. A victory.Joey vibes

[Matthew.]

Joey vibes

I was thinking this too :laugh:

[Tom4784]

You keep saying police have confirmed the fact's, and I keep asking you to prove it to me, yet you don't.

I've never once made out that he's lying, yet you say I have. I'm just talking about.the actual reality of what we know.

You keep making this about me, as though I've done something wrong, but it is you that has jumped to the conclusion of this story, before it's even been concluded.

Literally look at the first post? Look at the other links that have since been posted, you won't because you think ignoring the facts that have been established somehow makes them disappear, it doesn't.

You're just continuing to deny the reality of the situation which is that this is a hate crime and instead you're blaming the victim (who just so happens to be black and gay) for being attacked when the police have confirmed they have footage of the attackers tying a noose around his neck.

There's very little point in discussing anything with you if you continue to detach yourself from the facts like you have in this thread. Facts are facts and no vast amounts of denial is gonna change that.

[Alf]

Literally look at the first post? Look at the other links that have since been posted, you won't because you think ignoring the facts that have been established somehow makes them disappear, it doesn't.

You're just continuing to deny the reality of the situation which is that this is a hate crime and instead you're blaming the victim (who just so happens to be black and gay) for being attacked when the police have confirmed they have footage of the attackers tying a noose around his neck.

There's very little point in discussing anything with you if you continue to detach yourself from the facts like you have in this thread. Facts are facts and no vast amounts of denial is gonna change that.Show me one post which I've made where I denied what he says is the truth. I've said there's doubts in his story, but I've never once denied it happened.

If there was any definite proof of this attack, then it would be all over the news, but at the moment there is none. Watch the police press conference, the officer still uses the word accusation/alleged

[Niamh.]

Literally look at the first post? Look at the other links that have since been posted, you won't because you think ignoring the facts that have been established somehow makes them disappear, it doesn't.



You're just continuing to deny the reality of the situation which is that this is a hate crime and instead you're blaming the victim (who just so happens to be black and gay) for being attacked when the police have confirmed they have footage of the attackers tying a noose around his neck.



There's very little point in discussing anything with you if you continue to detach yourself from the facts like you have in this thread. Facts are facts and no vast amounts of denial is gonna change that.But the Sandwich tbf

[user104658]

OK so to play Keanu Reeves in the 1998 smash hit "Devil's Advocate"... To an extent, I can see where Alf is coming from here, although I maintain my earlier opinion that its a bit odd that he's willing to jump to conclusions in one situation and then insist on evidence in another (we call this LT dissonance).

I do generally prefer to wait for a more complete story before blowing the horn of judgement.

Not doing so would indeed make me a hypocrite because I do insist on waiting for the full facts before conceding that an attack is for example, Islamic terrorism related, even when it seems like the most likely scenario. And there are some very important reasons for that.

Logically speaking I can't think of any decent argument for that not being applied at all times so... Yes... Unless there is video or witness statement then it's foolish to assume that we have the whole and accurate story. That's not saying that we don't. Again I'm just applying the same logic as above; it being wrong to say "this is obvz Islamic terrorism!" on the basis of a couple of Web articles.

I do also feel that Alf has backed himself into a corner here and is lashing out like an ol' dog being poked with a stick. It's not a very comfortable situation all round.

Also to Alf... I guess all I can say there is, I conceded that it's fair to reserve judgement in the absense of concrete evidence, in any and all cases, and I just hope that you'll be more inclined to apply that philosophy to other news stories in future, and not declare or imply that things are "obviously the case", having had a taste of the flipside.

[Alf]

OK so to play Keanu Reeves in the 1998 smash hit "Devil's Advocate"... To an extent, I can see where Alf is coming from here, although I maintain my earlier opinion that its a bit odd that he's willing to jump to conclusions in one situation and then insist on evidence in another (we call this LT dissonance).

I do generally prefer to wait for a more complete story before blowing the horn of judgement.

Not doing so would indeed make me a hypocrite because I do insist on waiting for the full facts before conceding that an attack is for example, Islamic terrorism related, even when it seems like the most likely scenario. And there are some very important reasons for that.

Logically speaking I can't think of any decent argument for that not being applied at all times so... Yes... Unless there is video or witness statement then it's foolish to assume that we have the whole and accurate story. That's not saying that we don't. Again I'm just applying the same logic as above; it being wrong to say "this is obvz Islamic terrorism!" on the basis of a couple of Web articles.

I do also feel that Alf has backed himself into a corner here and is lashing out like an ol' dog being poked with a stick. It's not a very comfortable situation all round.

Also to Alf... I guess all I can say there is, I conceded that it's fair to reserve judgement in the absense of concrete evidence, in any and all cases, and I just hope that you'll be more inclined to apply that philosophy to other news stories in future, and not declare or imply that things are "obviously the case", having had a taste of the flipside.I am not backed into any corner, quite the opposite. I'm on the front foot. You shouldn't be concerned for me, I'm happy.

Anyway, have you got any updates on this story? or have you just popped in to talk about me?

Who's next?

[SherzyK]

I am not backed into any corner, quite the opposite. I'm on the front foot. You shouldn't be concerned for me, I'm happy.

Anyway, have you got any updates on this story? or have you just popped in to talk about me?

Who's next?

What argument do you think you’re winning here? :skull:

[Twosugars]

OK so to play Keanu Reeves in the 1998 smash hit "Devil's Advocate"... To an extent, I can see where Alf is coming from here, although I maintain my earlier opinion that its a bit odd that he's willing to jump to conclusions in one situation and then insist on evidence in another (we call this LT dissonance).

I do generally prefer to wait for a more complete story before blowing the horn of judgement.

Not doing so would indeed make me a hypocrite because I do insist on waiting for the full facts before conceding that an attack is for example, Islamic terrorism related, even when it seems like the most likely scenario. And there are some very important reasons for that.

Logically speaking I can't think of any decent argument for that not being applied at all times so... Yes... Unless there is video or witness statement then it's foolish to assume that we have the whole and accurate story. That's not saying that we don't. Again I'm just applying the same logic as above; it being wrong to say "this is obvz Islamic terrorism!" on the basis of a couple of Web articles.

I do also feel that Alf has backed himself into a corner here and is lashing out like an ol' dog being poked with a stick. It's not a very comfortable situation all round.

Also to Alf... I guess all I can say there is, I conceded that it's fair to reserve judgement in the absense of concrete evidence, in any and all cases, and I just hope that you'll be more inclined to apply that philosophy to other news stories in future, and not declare or imply that things are "obviously the case", having had a taste of the flipside.

LT dissonance :laugh3:
I call it an agenda

[Cherie]

Why can't people argue a point without resorting to personal insults? From what I can recall it used to be infraction worthy to discuss members in a negative way, bring back Josy please who used to apply the rules fairly. For me the victim is indeed a victim until proven otherwise even though there are some holes in his story but a traumatic incident can make you remember things differently to how they actually happened so maybe that is why

[bots]

Why can't people argue a point without resorting to personal insults? From what I can recall it used to be infraction worthy to discuss members in a negative way, bring back Josy please who used to apply the rules fairly. For me the victim is indeed a victim until proven otherwise even though there are some holes in his story but a traumatic incident can make you remember things differently to how they actually happened so maybe that is why

it's a forum ... where alternative views are expressed. By all means members can refute arguments, thats what it's all about, but i agree, it's a step too far to personally criticize other members, and it's happening ALL the time now.

[user104658]

Why can't people argue a point without resorting to personal insults? From what I can recall it used to be infraction worthy to discuss members in a negative way, bring back Josy please who used to apply the rules fairly. For me the victim is indeed a victim until proven otherwise even though there are some holes in his story but a traumatic incident can make you remember things differently to how they actually happened so maybe that is whyHmmm it's complicated. Flat out insults for no reason obviously there is no call for, however with a lot of SD topics it simply isn't possible to genuinely discuss the topic at all if we all have to wear blinkers and never comment on / question each other's prejudices and agendae. I suppose we should always try to do so respectfully, though. But if its outright not allowed the topics become pointless and meaningless, full of "elephants in the room".

I honestly think the vast majority of members would rather people say what they mean rather than skirting around things disingenuously which is what used to happen all the time when the "don't discuss each other" rule was more harshly enforced. I guess it goes too far if it descends into mocking, or if its a small post just to call someone out without any elaboration or further contribution to the topic.

I mean I agree that entering a topic to say "OMG you are such a bigot" isn't necessary, but I'll never agree that it shouldn't be OK to say "Hmm I think this view is bigoted because..." with an explanation.

[Beso]

Imo, Alf has been calm and reasonable, more like a cuddly cat than a snarling dog.

[Dash Darington]

There's enough about this story that's bizarre and implausible to warrant skepticism, especially in light of the trend of black people victimizing themselves in hoax attacks.

[Dash Darington]

Guys he kept hold of his sandwich so the hospital confirming he was treated for a fractured rib and bruising are clearly lying

Smollett told fans that he wanted to clarify that following the attack, he was bruised but his ribs were neither cracked nor broken.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/03/entertainment/jussie-smollett-concert/index.html

A solid example of why all the people who are acting like they know what happened are talking out of their ass. Smug and completely wrong. He wasn't even admitted to a hospital. (https://www.eonline.com/news/1011084/jussie-smollett-jokes-he-s-the-gay-tupac-in-emotional-first-appearance-since-attack) Wait for the facts.

[SherzyK]

Smollett told fans that he wanted to clarify that following the attack, he was bruised but his ribs were neither cracked nor broken.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/03/entertainment/jussie-smollett-concert/index.html

A solid example of why all the people who are acting like they know what happened are talking out of their ass. Smug and completely wrong. Wait for the facts.

He was still attacked nonetheless, why ignore the facts? The police did confirm that the attack did indeed happen, regardless of broken ribs or whatever. Do you not think this attack was unprovoked or even just a little bit cruel?

[Oliver_W]

The police did confirm that the attack did indeed happen, regardless of broken ribs or whatever.
When? All I've seen confirmed was that he had a piece of rope around his neck, that he had some bruises, and that some people were outside at the same time.

[SherzyK]

When? All I've seen confirmed was that he had a piece of rope around his neck, that he had some bruises, and that some people were outside at the same time.

Well he didn’t beat himself up and get those bruises that’s for damn sure

[Oliver_W]

Well he didn’t beat himself up and get those bruises that’s for damn sure

On a dark and icy night, can you not think of another way someone could get lightly bruises arms and ribs?

[SherzyK]

On a dark and icy night, can you not think of another way someone could get lightly bruises arms and ribs?

With a rope around their neck while two other men were present? Hmmmm I wonder

[SherzyK]

Explain the rope please

I’m waiting for an entire essay countering what I said :skull:

[Oliver_W]

Who knows - were neck injuries mentioned in the hospital reports? Why did he just keep it around his neck (which somehow got around his neck through his cold weather clothing) for 45 mins after the attack? Why did the bleach not discolour his clothes or burn his skin?

[Dash Darington]

He was still attacked nonetheless, why ignore the facts? The police did confirm that the attack did indeed happen, regardless of broken ribs or whatever. Do you not think this attack was unprovoked or even just a little bit cruel?

You've been asked repeatedly to substantiate that, and have failed to do so.

[SherzyK]

Who knows - were neck injuries mentioned in the hospital reports? Why did he just keep it around his neck (which somehow got around his neck through his cold weather clothing) for 45 mins after the attack? Why did the bleach not discolour his clothes or burn his skin?

No one mentioned anything about neck injuries, well I didn’t at least. The idea of having strangers trying to put a rope around your neck is traumatising tbh. Not to mention being doused in bleach while someone chants MAGA. If you were in his position, imagine people called you a liar

[SherzyK]

You've been asked repeatedly to substantiate that, and have failed to do so.

Why would I when the police already did? :smug:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jussie-smolletts-attack-camera-cops-13935765

[Oliver_W]

No one mentioned anything about neck injuries, well I didn’t at least. The idea of having strangers trying to put a rope around your neck is traumatising tbh. Not to mention being doused in bleach while someone chants MAGA. If you were in his position, imagine people called you a liar

It was really considerate of them to force a rope around someone's neck which has no physical effect on them at all, and to use bleach which is 100% non-corrosive.

[reece(:]

Yall really are putting too much of your energy into doubting these police reports. One wonders why other stories aren't approached with such cynicism

[SherzyK]

It was really considerate of them to force a rope around someone's neck which has no physical effect on them at all, and to use bleach which is 100% non-corrosive.

Does none of this even sound the least bit cruel? He had a rope put around his neck and had bleach poured over him, corrosive or not. It’s almost as if you condone their behaviour

[Matthew.]

It was really considerate of them to force a rope around someone's neck which has no physical effect on them at all, and to use bleach which is 100% non-corrosive.

I think you’re taking your sig a little bit too literally Oliver

[Oliver_W]

Does none of this even sound the least bit cruel? He had a rope put around his neck and had bleach poured over him, corrosive or not. It’s almost as if you condone their behaviour
At the moment there's only verified proof that he hurt his ribs. His story does seem a bit fantastical.
I just think the most likely scenario if he was attacked is that someone shoved him over, and he embellished things like the rope, the imaginary bleach, the MAGA stuff, and the hockey masks.

[SherzyK]

At the moment there's only verified proof that he hurt his ribs. His story does seem a bit fantastical.
I just think the most likely scenario if he was attacked is that someone shoved him over, and he embellished things like the rope, the imaginary bleach, the MAGA stuff, and the hockey masks.

That’s a lot of things to exaggerate tbh. Please do not tell me you think he deserved any of this. Would you not worry if that was you in his position? The rope around the neck, the bleach and all that MAGA sh*te

[Dash Darington]

Why would I when the police already did? :smug:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jussie-smolletts-attack-camera-cops-13935765

That's the same article that incorrectly reports that his ribs were broken. They cite TMZ as their source that the attack was caught on tape, but the TMZ article doesn't actually say that, only that the building's security camera recorded him walking in with a rope around his neck.

[reece(:]

Why on EARTH would Chicago police release images of suspects of interest if they weren't looking to make arrests for the charge?

[Oliver_W]

That’s a lot of things to exaggerate tbh. Please do not tell me you think he deserved any of this. Would you not worry if that was you in his position? The rope around the neck, the bleach and all that MAGA sh*te
Like I said, I have doubts over the rope, the bleach, and the MAGA stuff, I think they were probably embellishments to what actually happened. And when did I suggest he deserved it?

[SherzyK]

That's the same article that incorrectly reports that his ribs were broken. They cite TMZ as their source that the attack was caught on tape, but the TMZ article doesn't actually say that, only that the building's security camera recorded him walking in with a rope around his neck.

What you think is an incorrect report isn’t necessarily true. What more would it take to actually prove to you?

[SherzyK]

Like I said, I have doubts over the rope, the bleach, and the MAGA stuff, I think they were probably embellishments to what actually happened. And when did I suggest he deserved it?

You’re not exactly showing any signs of sympathy and almost passing it off as some kind of joke? You might not have said it (because no one is ever that direct about being cynical) but you sure have said some things to suggest it

[SherzyK]

Some people are actually heartless I swear. Not even a bit of sympathy despite the evidence to support him

[Smithy]

Some people are actually heartless I swear. Not even a bit of sympathy despite the evidence to support him

Heartlessness definitely isn’t the problem... there’s be a lot more of an outpouring of sympathy if it was a straight white man...

[SherzyK]

Heartlessness definitely isn’t the problem... there’s be a lot more of an outpouring of sympathy if it was a straight white man...

It’s all an excuse to be cynical and edgy tbh. There would definitely be more support if he wasn’t a black gay man :bored:

[Dash Darington]

Yall really are putting too much of your energy into doubting these police reports. One wonders why other stories aren't approached with such cynicism

What police reports? The victim's statement to the police, or imaginary statements from the police to the public?

Skepticism doesn't require energy. Attempting to substantiate things you know nothing about does, though.

[SherzyK]

What police reports? The victim's statement to the police, or imaginary statements from the police to the public?

Skepticism doesn't require energy. Attempting to substantiate things you know nothing about does, though.

Well it wouldn’t kill you to see it from Jussie’s side rather than your own. You’re entitled to your belief that there was no existing police statement because “TMZ”. The guy legit had a rope around his neck and was doused in bleach. Maybe you should substantiate where he lied

[Dash Darington]

What you think is an incorrect report isn’t necessarily true.

It isn't a matter of what I think. The alleged victim himself says his ribs weren't broken.

What more would it take to actually prove to you?

A link to the video, or a statement from police that such a video exists.

[SherzyK]

It isn't a matter of what I think. The alleged victim himself says his ribs weren't broken.



A link to the video, or a statement from police that such a video exists.

But the bruises, rope and bleach isn’t enough. With video evidence of the two men? A bit sadistic that you’d want to see the video of the attack but not even show even a shred of respect or support for him.

[Oliver_W]

What is there that substantiates he was doused in bleach?

[SherzyK]

What is there that substantiates he was doused in bleach?

This is for both you and Dash.

https://i.imgur.com/JoOigaf.png

[SherzyK]

This is not a TMZ report so that narrative is proven false

[Oliver_W]

This is for both you and Dash.

https://i.imgur.com/JoOigaf.png

"Reportedly". You chose a link which can't be viewed in the UK, where does the link for that text lead?

[SherzyK]

"Reportedly". You chose a link which can't be viewed in the UK, where does the link for that text lead?

But the bruises and rope was there so the element of certainty is there no? I was considerate enough to screenshot just in case the link would break so some gratitude is in order thank you. I thought it would be more legitimate if the evidence was from Chicago, where it took place rather than the UK :hee:

Oliver you’re reaching now, anymore and you’d snap your arms :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

But the bruises and rope was there so the element of certainty is there no? I was considerate enough to screenshot just in case the link would break so some gratitude is in order thank you. I thought it would be more legitimate if the evidence was from Chicago, where it took place rather than the UK :hee:

Oliver you’re reaching now, anymore and you’d snap your arms :laugh:

Like I said, it was a dark and icy night, he could have gotten those bruises slipping over.

I'm grateful for the screenshot, thanks for finding it <3 As I can't access the page, do you know where the link goes that's for the text "scratch him up [...] MAGA country", hon? It might help prove it :)


If he'd have just said some jerk shoved him over, I'd have no doubt. But he was recognised in passing at night time - he's not especially distinctive, a non-fan probably wouldn't clock him in passing if it was dark. Some just shoving him over would explain why the sandwich was unscathed as well. The MAGA and hockey masks were probably just exaggerations. Same with the bleach which had no visible evidence at all.

[SherzyK]

You are entitled to believe that but you know that this happened but obviously because of some underlying beliefs or whatever opinion you may have of Jussie as a black gay man, you are choosing to play devils advocate. Seriously, stop being so heartless and just show a bit of respect. He didn’t just slip and suddenly had a rope around his neck. Like Matthew said, you’re taking your sig way too seriously

[Dash Darington]

This is not a TMZ report so that narrative is proven false

I didn't say the TMZ article was wrong, I said it didn't say what the now-discredited Mirror article claimed it did.

If the police are stating as fact that two men approached Mr. Smollett making racial remarks etc., are we to believe that there is not only video, but audio as well?

[Alf]

Heartlessness definitely isn’t the problem... there’s be a lot more of an outpouring of sympathy if it was a straight white man...It's always about identity with you people, Identity over facts.

Show me an incident where a straight, white man made up a potentially false story about some racist black people beating him up, and I'll prove your prediction wrong

[Beso]

The woman said the man was staring at another man standing outside another entrance to the building about 300 feet away.



Oh well in that case.....

[user104658]

Seriously though, I honestly do understand wanting to wait for the facts before throwing your weight behind something but... that's not what's going on here, and several people seem to be actively trying to come up with theories against the narrative. It's not just "we'll wait and see", is it, if you're actively making it clear that you think it didn't happen. I'm afraid I have to agree that the motivations of several people here seem a bit sinister. If you think there's room for doubt, fair enough say so and then wait for the story to actually unfold... don't say "we should wait for the facts" and then vomit out a load of theories about it being a lie :umm2:.

[SherzyK]

It’s useless, any evidence or proof that this happened would be completely disregarded.

[Alf]

Seriously though, I honestly do understand wanting to wait for the facts before throwing your weight behind something but... that's not what's going on here, and several people seem to be actively trying to come up with theories against the narrative. It's not just "we'll wait and see", is it, if you're actively making it clear that you think it didn't happen. I'm afraid I have to agree that the motivations of several people here seem a bit sinister. If you think there's room for doubt, fair enough say so and then wait for the story to actually unfold... don't say "we should wait for the facts" and then vomit out a load of theories about it being a lie :umm2:.So the ones who you personally think make it clear it didn't happen are the ones who need lecturing from you, but the ones who definitely make it clear it did happen, are spared?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Another incorrect thread title

can the member please correct it as it is factually incorrect?

No video of attack and i am sourcing the BBC here "No arrests have been made, and police have not found surveillance video of the attack, though they found footage of Jussie walking home with the rope around his neck." bbc WEBSITE

[Tom4784]

Seriously though, I honestly do understand wanting to wait for the facts before throwing your weight behind something but... that's not what's going on here, and several people seem to be actively trying to come up with theories against the narrative. It's not just "we'll wait and see", is it, if you're actively making it clear that you think it didn't happen. I'm afraid I have to agree that the motivations of several people here seem a bit sinister. If you think there's room for doubt, fair enough say so and then wait for the story to actually unfold... don't say "we should wait for the facts" and then vomit out a load of theories about it being a lie :umm2:.

It's very telling.

[Alf]

Another incorrect thread title

can the member please correct it as it is factually incorrect?

No video of attack and i am sourcing the BBC here "No arrests have been made, and police have not found surveillance video of the attack, though they found footage of Jussie walking home with the rope around his neck." bbc WEBSITEThey don't care that the thread title is wrong, the truth is not important to them, in fact, truth and reality is an insult to them, it hurts their feelings.

[Alf]

It's very telling.What is very telling?

[Tom4784]

They don't care that the thread title is wrong, the truth is not important to them, in fact, truth and reality is an insult to them, it hurts their feelings.

Self awareness is an important thing to possess, Alf.

You can't accuse anyone of denying the truth or reality when you've spent the entire thread denying what's in front of you in favour of conspiracy theories in your mind.

[bots]

members seem to expect some form of consistency from posters or that makes them invalid? Reality check, no-one needs to be consistent. Also, really, even if i don't agree with someones viewpoint, they are perfectly entitled to express an opinion without being personally attacked.

[AnnieK]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6668799/Jussie-Smolletts-MAGA-hat-attackers-BIT-Chicago-beating-wearing-black.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6668799/Jussie-Smolletts-MAGA-hat-attackers-BIT-Chicago-beating-wearing-black.html

Top comment from the article
"
I don't really believe his story"

865 up votes 106 down votes

[Shaun]

Top comment from the article
"
I don't really believe his story"

865 up votes 106 down votes

You say this as if a DM comments section is enlightened

[SherzyK]

Top comment from the article
"
I don't really believe his story"

865 up votes 106 down votes

Oh but you do :smug:

[AnnieK]

Top comment from the article
"
I don't really believe his story"

865 up votes 106 down votes

Ahhh, they must have access to the full police reports, medical reports and evidence found already then and have come to that conclusion after legal training or being a police office trained to get to the bottom of reported crimes. Silly me for not reading the comments and just posting an article

[SherzyK]

He must have beaten himself up surely! :oh:

[Nicky91]

You say this as if a DM comments section is enlightened

tea

as if people in DM comments have common sense tbh

they can be vile disgusting twats themselves in most of the celebrity news articles


that's why i don't read the comments at all in there anymore

[Nicky91]

anyway on topic, as for the people who want to see video evidence of this attack

i myself can't look at attacks like these, could make me sick i think


reading it is already bad enough for me :( but people actually wanting to see a video of this :umm2:

[Alf]

anyway on topic, as for the people who want to see video evidence of this attack

i myself can't look at attacks like these, could make me sick i think


reading it is already bad enough for me :( but people actually wanting to see a video of this :umm2:The video is most beneficial for Jussie Smollett, that way it will prove him to be telling the truth and it will also give the police a better idea who they're looking for. What you do and don't like is not important here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You say this as if a DM comments section is enlightened

I dont say that

you did

[user104658]

Top comment from the article
"
I don't really believe his story"

865 up votes 106 down votes

If this was the response on the Daily Mail site, then it can be taken as near enough concrete proof that we should, indeed, believe his story.

[AnnieK]

If this was the response on the Daily Mail site, then it can be taken as near enough concrete proof that we should, indeed, believe his story.

:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

If this was the response on the Daily Mail site, then it can be taken as near enough concrete proof that we should, indeed, believe his story.

bit harsh on Annie who is obviously an avid reader :nono:

[AnnieK]

bit harsh on Annie who is obviously an avid reader :nono:

Considering the last thread an numerous others you have made on S&D are using Daily Mail articles LT, methinks it is YOU who is the avid reader, not I :hmph:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Considering the last thread an numerous others you have made on S&D are using Daily Mail articles LT, methinks it is YOU who is the avid reader, not I :hmph:

:nono:

I only look at the bikini pics of celebs

[AnnieK]

:nono:

I only look at the bikini pics of celebs

Well obviously not as your last thread was about Liam Neeson and not a bikini in sight :pipe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well obviously not as your last thread was about Liam Neeson and not a bikini in sight :pipe:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yUPzXxwWVgo/UhEoBTbeM4I/AAAAAAAAGyU/JINk7DAWVKY/s1600/Liam-Neeson-halbnackt-Ellen.jpg

[Cherie]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yUPzXxwWVgo/UhEoBTbeM4I/AAAAAAAAGyU/JINk7DAWVKY/s1600/Liam-Neeson-halbnackt-Ellen.jpg

:joker:

[AnnieK]

Touche :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

So it seems two men have been arrested.

CHICAGO (WTHR/AP (https://www.wthr.com/article/jussie-smollett-attack-suspects-arrested)) — New developments in the investigation of an alleged attack on actor Jussie Smollett. TMZ reports police have arrested two men from Nigeria who had worked as extras on the "Empire" show that Smollett stars in.

According to TMZ, the brothers' home was raided on Thursday with police removing potential evidence.

The brothers were originally picked up by police on Wednesday night at an airport in Chicago, TMZ reports.

Chicago police said Thursday night that local media reports that the attack against "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett was a hoax are unconfirmed.

Producers of the television drama also disputed media reports that Smollett's character, Jamal Lyon, was being written off the show, calling the idea "patently ridiculous."

"(Smollett) remains a core player on this very successful series and we continue to stand behind him," 20th Century Fox Television and Fox Entertainment said in a statement late Thursday.

Smollett has said he was attacked while out getting food at a Subway restaurant.

The singer and actor said the attackers yelled "this is MAGA country," referencing President Donald Trump's "Make America Great Again" slogan.

Smollett said he didn't want to call police at first, but that his friend and creative director, Frank Gatson, called on his behalf. Smollett said he didn't remove a rope from around his neck before police arrived "because I wanted them to see."

He also said he didn't initially want to give police his cellphone because the device contained private content and phone numbers.

Smollett later gave detectives heavily redacted phone records that police have said are insufficient for a criminal investigation.

Well I'm eating my words, this really sounds like a non-orchestrated racist attack to me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

oop

[Beso]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yUPzXxwWVgo/UhEoBTbeM4I/AAAAAAAAGyU/JINk7DAWVKY/s1600/Liam-Neeson-halbnackt-Ellen.jpg

That's how he should have dressed up when he went out ooking for a black guy to start on him.:smug:

[Dash Darington]

So it seems two men have been arrested.



Well I'm eating my words, this really sounds like a non-orchestrated racist attack to me.

They were released without charge.

The alleged victim would have had a hard time explaining how he mistook two Nigerian bodybuilders for white "hillbillies" calling him a ****** and declaring Chicago to be "MAGA country."

[SherzyK]

I like how the only thing pinpointed was the MAGA chants and the race of the two attackers. You were skeptic the attack happened and there’s your proof.

[Oliver_W]

Jussie has reportedly since hired a defence lawyer, who represents "individuals and corporations in high profile federal criminal and regulatory cases"

I wonder what possible reason the "victim of a hate crime" would need such a lawyer for...

[Dash Darington]

Police say the 2 men are the same ones who were captured on surveillance video around the time of the incident.

Jussie told Robin Roberts this week, he's positive the 2 men on the surveillance video are the same 2 men who attacked him.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/02/15/jussie-smollett-race-black-white-nigerian-attack/

Assuming this isn't mis-reporting, this sounds very much like the "attackers" were Smollett's Nigerian co-workers, with whom he had a friendly relationship (discussed health and fitness with them on-set, according to one report). It's getting very interesting now.

[Alf]

Just remember that I was branded "a bigot" for using critical thinking on this.

[arista]

Just remember that I was branded "a bigot" for using critical thinking on this.


Yes Shocking

[Crimson Dynamo]

so the 2 Nigerians were released by police now

Smollett confirmed that they 2 on the vid were the 2 that attacked him

Police confirm that the 2 on the vid are the 2 Nigerians

SMollet said initially they were both white MAGA copped rednecks?

have I got that right?

[Matthew.]

Is “critical thinking” the new way of saying “ignoring the facts to suit your own viewpoint” :umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is “critical thinking” the new way of saying “ignoring the facts to suit your own viewpoint” :umm2:

what facts are you referring too specifically?

[Matthew.]

what facts are you referring too specifically?

The fact that the attack happened

[Alf]

Jussie Smollett is a lying, race-baiting arse. Nothing happened, he made it up.

[Oliver_W]

ANYWAY.

We still don't what really happened, if anything. I think the most likely event was some random hobo shoved him over in passing, and everything else was him embellishing.

[SherzyK]

Jussie has reportedly since hired a defence lawyer, who represents "individuals and corporations in high profile federal criminal and regulatory cases"

I wonder what possible reason the "victim of a hate crime" would need such a lawyer for...

Where is this information??

[Oliver_W]

Where is this information??

Also on Friday, defense attorney Michael Monico confirmed to Variety that he is now representing Smollett, one of the stars of “Empire.”
(https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/jussie-smollett-case-two-suspects-released-without-charging-as-new-evidence-emerges-1203141653/)
Monico is a high-powered defense attorney with decades of experience. He recently represented Michael Cohen, President Trump’s former lawyer, in his criminal case.

'Due to new evidence as a result of today's interrogations, the individuals questioned by police in the Empire case have now been released without charging and detectives have additional investigative work to complete,' Chicago Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement on Friday night.
(https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6712245/Jussie-Smollett-hires-Michael-Cohens-criminal-defense-attorney.html)
Smollett has hired Michael Cohen's high-powered criminal defense attorney, as the police investigation into the attack he reported last month took a sudden shift amid allegations of a hoax.

Attorney Michael Monico, a former federal prosecutor in the Northern District of Illinois, revealed in a radio interview on Thursday in Chicago that he is representing Smollett.

It came as police in Chicago suddenly released two Nigerian extras on Smollett's show, who had previously been described as suspects in the attack, saying that 'new evidence' had emerged in their interrogations that requires further detective work.
Links to the respective full articles are the underlined text:)

[Becs]

Links to the respective full articles are the underlined text:)

The truth always comes out in the end. What a saddo, I hope he is charged for his actions.

[Becs]

Is “critical thinking” the new way of saying “ignoring the facts to suit your own viewpoint” :umm2:

What facts are they then?

[Matthew.]

What facts are they then?

Have you read the OP?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What facts are they then?

Its very difficult to ascertain any concrete ones and the police are having the same problem

The accused refused to hand over his phone to the police and eventually did but had removed so much information they could not use it as evidence.

The accused identified 2 people from a video as his attackers and it now seems that the 2 are 2 black Nigerians known to the accused who work with him. The accused initially said his attackers where racist white red-necks

:umm2:

[Becs]

Have you read the OP?

I read the posts that he has now had to hire a defence team. Innocent victims don’t need to do that do they.

[Oliver_W]

Have you read the OP?

Have you only read the OP? Because it since turns out the attack itself was not caught on camera, and nothing else is confirmed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd like to hear views from people about the recent developments??

[user104658]

I'd like to hear views from people about the recent developments??I wrote a reply when you asked me specifically but when I hit post the thread was locked and I ain't typing it up again :fist:.

The gist was; nothing has changed, the story is still developing, and trying to figure it out is still guesswork. Maybe it was all faked, maybe his memory of the event is shakey and he filled in blanks, maybe those guys had something personal against him, did it and made it seem like a race-based attack to cover their tracks, or maybe there's still more to it that we don't know.

The sensible option remains to wait and see before making any assumptions.

[Beso]

Sounds more and more like one of those Internet experiment things..

[Becs]

I wrote a reply when you asked me specifically but when I hit post the thread was locked and I ain't typing it up again :fist:.

The gist was; nothing has changed, the story is still developing, and trying to figure it out is still guesswork. Maybe it was all faked, maybe his memory of the event is shakey and he filled in blanks, maybe those guys had something personal against him, did it and made it seem like a race-based attack to cover their tracks, or maybe there's still more to it that we don't know.

The sensible option remains to wait and see before making any assumptions.

At the beginning of the thread would have been a good time to point that out, as people had been making assumptions from the start, but they don’t like to admit it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

At the beginning of the thread would have been a good time to point that out, as people had been making assumptions from the start, but they don’t like to admit it.

Indeed. And funny we don't see them now with the new evidence..

[user104658]

At the beginning of the thread would have been a good time to point that out, as people had been making assumptions from the start, but they don’t like to admit it.

I did :think:

[Oliver_W]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4592&d=1550359918

This guy is an "Emmy award-winning anchor/reporter", but apply pinches of salt as usual til we hear more.

But also worth pointing out:
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4593&stc=1&d=1550360192

[arista]

He has done a interview on ABC News USA
a clip was just on FoxNewsHD Waters World.

He had his phone on
during the Attack
but will not give his Phone to the Cops.
It has other videos on it.

[arista]

CNN USA now reports
Police have told them
He Paid for the 2 to attack him.

what a mess

[Becs]

CNN USA now reports
Police have told them
He Paid for the 2 to attack him.

what a mess

What a sad human being. End of his career at least.

[Becs]

Where is this information??

Open your eyes.

[Oliver_W]

Open your eyes.
there's no need for that - I said something without providing a source.

CNN USA now reports
Police have told them
He Paid for the 2 to attack him.
Police sources: New evidence suggests Jussie Smollett orchestrated attack (https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/16/entertainment/jussie-smollett-attack/index.html)


CNN, of all people, put it in their headline, holy ****.

The receipts are there
So it would seem:
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4594&stc=1&d=1550394306

[Cherie]

Some apologies needed?

.

[Mystic Mock]

If he has lied about the attack then he is an idiot on a multitude of fronts.

1. For killing his own career.

And.

2. For making Trump supporters victims which I'm assuming wouldn't have been his plan.

[Matthew.]

Even if it did turn out that the attackers were paid, I’d much rather be the person that believed him, and have it turn out to be false, than the person who didn’t believe him and have it turn out to be true

[reece(:]

Even if it did turn out that the attackers were paid, I’d much rather be the person that believed him, and have it turn out to be false, than the person who didn’t believe him and have it turn out to be true
:clap1: The cynical mindset is a dangerous one

[Mystic Mock]

Even if it did turn out that the attackers were paid, I’d much rather be the person that believed him, and have it turn out to be false, than the person who didn’t believe him and have it turn out to be true

Well he is innocent until proven guilty so some people are getting very carried away assuming that he is guilty.

Although the evidence doesn't look the best for him.

[Becs]

Well he is innocent until proven guilty so some people are getting very carried away assuming that he is guilty.

Although the evidence doesn't look the best for him.

Like those in a hurry to assume it was a racist attack from the very first post. If the idiot really believed racism was such an ongoing issue why did he feel the need to fake it? It doesn’t add up. His actions say it all for me. He is just a stirrer and publicity seeker with cat poop for brains. If proved guilty they should make an example of him and throw the book at him.

[arista]

Absolutely horrible. These men need to be found and put in jail.


They have found the 2 men
who got paid by Jussie to do it.


Sad Story in the end

[Oliver_W]

Even if it did turn out that the attackers were paid, I’d much rather be the person that believed him, and have it turn out to be false, than the person who didn’t believe him and have it turn out to be true

The thing is, it just wasn't believable. If all he said was that he was randomly punched or pushed over by someone walking past, only a jerk would disbelieve. But the story he presented was so fantastical...

[arista]

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article13935952.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_MAIN-Jussie-Smollett.jpg

This Fella is so stupid
Paying 2 blokes to hurt him.

He was even on USA ABC news 14th Feb
peddling his Corruption


Police have now spoke to the 2 blokes that got paid


https://news.sky.com/story/jussie-smollett-assault-inquiry-has-shifted-say-chicago-police-11639920

[Crimson Dynamo]

so what is latest, iv been oot

What have the police said now??

[Twosugars]

so what is latest, iv been oot

What have the police said now??

there are reports of a trumpeting heard in the vicinity :suspect:

[bots]

so what is latest, iv been oot

What have the police said now??

the police haven't said yet what their new direction is, so no-one is any the wiser

[Crimson Dynamo]

the police haven't said yet what their new direction is, so no-one is any the wiser

It did and does sound like the truth has not yet come out, but it will

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe Smollet was using his bank account to rest $66,000,000 from the 2 Nigerian brothers as they could not keep it in their at this time and Smollet gets to keep the interest

This has been found on his phone

REQUEST FOR URGENT BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP

FIRST, I MUST SOLICIT YOUR STRICTEST CONFIDENCE IN THIS TRANSACTION. THIS IS BY VIRTUE OF ITS NATURE AS BEING UTTERLY CONFIDENTIAL AND ‘TOP SECRET’. I AM SURE AND HAVE CONFIDENCE OF YOUR ABILITY AND RELIABILITY TO PROSECUTE A TRANSACTION OF THIS GREAT MAGNITUDE INVOLVING A PENDING TRANSACTION REQUIRING MAXIIMUM CONFIDENCE.

WE ARE TOP OFFICIAL OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTRACT REVIEW PANEL WHO ARE INTERESTED IN IMPORATION OF GOODS INTO OUR COUNTRY WITH FUNDS WHICH ARE PRESENTLY TRAPPED IN NIGERIA. IN ORDER TO COMMENCE THIS BUSINESS WE SOLICIT YOUR ASSISTANCE TO ENABLE US TRANSFER INTO YOUR ACCOUNT THE SAID TRAPPED FUNDS.


I mean what self respecting human would ignore this humanitarian plea and at the same time could make a few quid?

:think:

[Oliver_W]

I don't know if this has been discussed, but the police actually got the phone records from Smollett's supplier before he handed over the redacted version, so all they had to do was investigate the ones he deleted.

[user104658]

In all seriousness though, and more important than all of this... How is his name pronounced? Is it "Juicy"? Cos I want to say Juicy.

[Oliver_W]

In all seriousness though, and more important than all of this... How is his name pronounced? Is it "Juicy"? Cos I want to say Juicy.
It kind of sounds like a liver complaint tbh ...

"Yes Mr Jackson, I'm afraid you've got a touch of the jussie smollett, but don't worry, these pills will clear it right up..."

[Oliver_W]

There's more, friendos.

Shortly before the attack, a threatening letter was sent to Smollett at the Empire studios, which made certain media outlets start crying:
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4595&stc=1&d=1550482481

However, when Smollett's possible co-conspirator's apartment was raided, they found some torn up magazines (https://www.tmz.com/2019/02/17/jussie-smollett-grand-jury-attack-brothers-trump-empire/)...

[user104658]

However, when Smollett's possible co-conspirator's apartment was raided, they found some torn up magazines (https://www.tmz.com/2019/02/17/jussie-smollett-grand-jury-attack-brothers-trump-empire/)...

http://i66.tinypic.com/29bfqs7.jpg

... ... ... h...

[Oliver_W]

http://i66.tinypic.com/29bfqs7.jpg

... ... ... h...

I think that's mean to be a tree, rather than a giant with dreadlocks or malformed penis?

although the handwriting on the envelope is probably the same as most of Empire's fanmail

[Crimson Dynamo]

Matthew what is your view now on this case?

[Matthew.]

Matthew what is your view now on this case?

I believe Jussie Smollett’s side of the story

[bots]

It seems like Smollett is the first American to scam 2 Nigerians :hehe:

[Oliver_W]

I believe Jussie Smollett’s side of the story

Based on what?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I believe Jussie Smollett’s side of the story

Because he is gay and black?

[Oliver_W]

Because he is gay and black?

Or maybe because the story he told is completely believable and doesn't sound made up, even with the stuff which has since came to light?

[Matthew.]

Because he is gay and black?

What I thought when certain members’ initial response to the news was “Just his word to go on”

[Oliver_W]

What I thought when certain members’ initial response to the news was “Just his word to go on”

If he'd have said he got pushed over and called a ****** and that was that, no-one would doubt it. But he painted such a ridiculous picture that it was obvious he was lying.

[Matthew.]

If he'd have said he got pushed over and called a ****** and that was that, no-one would doubt it. But he painted such a ridiculous picture that it was obvious he was lying.

Was that really the mindset of those doubting him though :suspect:

[Oliver_W]

Was that really the mindset of those doubting him though :suspect:

I can only speak for myself, but it was my mindset.

[Cherie]

It seems like Smollett is the first American to scam 2 Nigerians :hehe:

:joker: