Ex-London schoolgirl, 19, who ran away to join ISIS now wants to come home to the UK

[Cherie]

Again the misconception that ISIS factions in Syria were not there to harm Syria. Its exactly the same situation... Except that the damage done by ISIS in Syria actually far outweighs any damage done by ISIS cells in the UK.

Unless you agree with Oliver that "ISIS isn't a threat to Islamic countries".

No not at all, but she is where she is now and its not an easy task to get her back as she will have to travel to Turkey or Iraq before she can be helped, so I wouldn't be wasting a huge amount of time on her

[Niamh.]

No not at all, but she is where she is now and its not an easy task to get her back as she will have to travel to Turkey or Iraq before she can be helped, so I wouldn't be wasting a huge amount of time on her

Absolutely, I mean I agree if she makes it to Britain then she has to be taken back, considering she's a British citizen then she has to be Britain's responsibility however I certainly wouldn't be risking lives or spending money on rescuing her, she doesn't deserve to be rescued

[Cherie]

Absolutely, I mean I agree if she makes it to Britain then she has to be taken back, considering she's a British citizen then she has to be Britain's responsibility however I certainly wouldn't be risking lives or spending money on rescuing her, she doesn't deserve to be rescued

Have you seen her interview, she seems particularly dead behind the eyes

[Niamh.]

Have you seen her interview, she seems particularly dead behind the eyes

No I didn't watch it. I mean on some level I have sympathy ish, because she was clearly groomed and brain washed when she was an impressionable young teen and from the sounds of it her actual family may be involved or atleast their ideas lean that way too, however she's dangerous now and unrepentant so you can't justify risking any rescue team for her or put innocent peoples lives in Britain at risk by sending her back into society if she did get back.

[Beso]

Just heard she will beheading home soon.

[Niamh.]

Just heard she will beheading home soon.

:skull:

[bots]

Have you seen her interview, she seems particularly dead behind the eyes

she is also lying through her teeth .... look at the way her eyes shift when she tells a lie

[user104658]

No not at all, but she is where she is now and its not an easy task to get her back as she will have to travel to Turkey or Iraq before she can be helped, so I wouldn't be wasting a huge amount of time on herMaybe that's fair; but there's a pretty big gulf between "we're not sending anyone to get her" and "we will keep her blocked from entering the country at all costs" which is what a lot of people (including people in the government, apparently) are saying.

[Becs]

Maybe that's fair; but there's a pretty big gulf between "we're not sending anyone to get her" and "we will keep her blocked from entering the country at all costs" which is what a lot of people (including people in the government, apparently) are saying.

I bet you live far from Bethnal Green. As long as she isn’t on your doorstep, others can put up with her and live with the increased risk she and others like her pose.

[Cherie]

she is also lying through her teeth .... look at the way her eyes shift when she tells a lie

She doesn't want to bring up her child in a refugee camp but she condemned so many Syrian children to just that by supporting the ISIS regime

[Beso]

I bet you live far from Bethnal Green. As long as she isn’t on your doorstep, others can put up with her and live with the increased risk she and others like her pose.

I live near Bethnal green...that Trevor; that wee trouble making ****e...daves lad....him and his posse...trouble. .

[Beso]

Has she actually done anything wrong yet?

[Marsh.]

I bet you live far from Bethnal Green. As long as she isn’t on your doorstep, others can put up with her and live with the increased risk she and others like her pose.

I don't think anyone's suggested any such thing.

She should be in prison. But, all the same, she is Britain's responsibility.

It seems to be the people against Britain taking responsibility who have the "not on my doorstep" attitude.

[UserSince2005]

8edit*nasty bitch.

[Livia]

Has she actually done anything wrong yet?

She left this country to join a proscribed terrorist organisation. You know what Islamic State is responsible for. Surely you understand that none of them are innocent?

[Livia]

I don't think anyone's suggested any such thing.

She should be in prison. But, all the same, she is Britain's responsibility.

It seems to be the people against Britain taking responsibility who have the "not on my doorstep" attitude.

People keep saying she's Britain's responsibility when we have every right under law to strip her of her citizenship. And actually no, I don't want her on my doorstep, or anyone else's doorstep. The safety and security of the British public is the only thing anyone should be worried about.

[user104658]

People keep saying she's Britain's responsibility when we have every right under law to strip her of her citizenship. And actually no, I don't want her on my doorstep, or anyone else's doorstep. The safety and security of the British public is the only thing anyone should be worried about.

But surely there's a difference (sometimes a big difference) between legal responsibility and moral responsibility? I don't think I've seen anyone insist that she's Britain's legal responsibility. When it comes to the moral side of things, I can't help but think about the people whose doorstep she is currently on - potentially the people who are MOST vulnerable to someone like her - and that's why I think she should be here being watched.

I mean in theory, does it actually make Britain safer to leave her out there, amongst the very people who are in a prime position to be indoctrinated to her beliefs? She's dangerous where she is. She's an indoctrinated extremist who speaks English as a first language and was raised in Britain so knows British culture. And she's surrounded by people who have recently lost everything to war. She's in a prime position to indoctrinate countless others, and teach them how to successfully pose as a genuine refugee to stand a better chance of getting into Europe / the UK... and while she's sat in a Middle Eastern camp, NO ONE is watching her.

[Livia]

But surely there's a difference (sometimes a big difference) between legal responsibility and moral responsibility? I don't think I've seen anyone insist that she's Britain's legal responsibility. When it comes to the moral side of things, I can't help but think about the people whose doorstep she is currently on - potentially the people who are MOST vulnerable to someone like her - and that's why I think she should be here being watched.

I mean in theory, does it actually make Britain safer to leave her out there, amongst the very people who are in a prime position to be indoctrinated to her beliefs? She's dangerous where she is. She's an indoctrinated extremist who speaks English as a first language and was raised in Britain so knows British culture. And she's surrounded by people who have recently lost everything to war. She's in a prime position to indoctrinate countless others, and teach them how to successfully pose as a genuine refugee to stand a better chance of getting into Europe / the UK... and while she's sat in a Middle Eastern camp, NO ONE is watching her.

The law is the law.

Morally, some people want her to come back. Legally, we don't have to take her back. I would like to see justice done, you obviously want mercy instead. But I don't understand the concern over this woman while thousands, tens of thousands of women were murdered, raped, gang-raped, tortured, had their children taken from them and killed... I'm talking about both Muslims and non-Muslims.

[user104658]

The law is the law.

Morally, some people want her to come back. Legally, we don't have to take her back. I would like to see justice done, you obviously want mercy instead. But I don't understand the concern over this woman while thousands, tens of thousands of women were murdered, raped, gang-raped, tortured, had their children taken from them and killed... I'm talking about both Muslims and non-Muslims.

I don't "want mercy", I'm not making any comment on what we do with her once she's back under our supervision, I just think that's where she should be. I keep saying that my concern is for the people around her and what she might end up doing where she is, not for her personal safety and comfort, but that's just being ignored for whatever reason.

[Livia]

I don't "want mercy", I'm not making any comment on what we do with her once she's back under our supervision, I just think that's where she should be. I keep saying that my concern is for the people around her and what she might end up doing where she is, not for her personal safety and comfort, but that's just being ignored for whatever reason.

The West stood idly by while thousands and thousands of innocents were slaughtered. I suggest we do the same now. I don't care what she does. I don't care about her personal safety and comfort, but I understand that's not your priority either. I'm not ignoring what you're saying, I understand what you want for her. But I disagree. She left this country voluntarily. She showed absolutely no remorse until it was realised this was giving her an even worse press. Then she was obviously brought up to speed on what options may possibly be open to her if we let her back. Now she's spouting slightly more palatable soundbites.

Let her be tried and sentenced where she and her terrorist brethren carried out their atrocities.

[joeysteele]

She left this country to join a proscribed terrorist organisation. You know what Islamic State is responsible for. Surely you understand that none of them are innocent?

I've already said earlier on this thread I would not let her back here.

Nothing I've seen of her or even heard from her since, has altered my view.

I totally agree with your comments on this Livia.
I don't think she really regrets anything at all.
I think allowing her back would send a really bad and weak message.

[Livia]

I've already said earlier on this thread I would not let her back here.

Nothing I've seen of her or even heard from her since, has altered my view.

I totally agree with your comments on this Livia.
I don't think she really regrets anything at all.
I think allowing her back would send a really bad and weak message.

I was a bit shocked with her cold bravado at first when she said she regretted nothing. Now she says she does have some regrets. But her face looked the same when she made both statements, so who knows which one is true?!

[Cherie]

I was a bit shocked with her cold bravado at first when she said she regretted nothing. Now she says she does have some regrets. But her face looked the same when she made both statements, so who knows which one is true?!

Did you see her interview with the Scottish interviewer, where he asked her about her thoughts on the Manchester attacks...

[Livia]

Did you see her interview with the Scottish interviewer, where he asked her about her thoughts on the Manchester attacks...

No, I didn't... I'm off for a Google.

Edit: Jesus... she thinks it was justified. Although I imagine if she hasn't retracted that already, she will be in the process of retracting it.

[smudgie]

Maybe the way forward is for her to be tried in the country she was living in when supporting IS?
Seems fair:shrug:

[Livia]

Maybe the way forward is for her to be tried in the country she was living in when supporting IS?
Seems fair:shrug:

And legally, the UK can ask for that to happen.

[thesheriff443]

She will be back in this country without doubt, we already keep murderers from this country and others live the cushy life in prison and then let uk killers back on the street and some times we send foreign killers back home.

We should kill the muderers and spend the money it cost on keeping them on good people, plus killing them sets the tone, that if you kill you will be killed.

[bots]

Do we still have an "arrangement" with Australia :idc:

[Northern Monkey]

Maybe the way forward is for her to be tried in the country she was living in when supporting IS?
Seems fair:shrug:

That’s my view too.

The baby should be taken into care or looked after by a decent family who won’t radicalise it and she should be handed over to the Syrian government.

There’s enough radicalisation going on in UK prisons we don’t need anymore.Then if she’s released in ten years time its going to cost millions in surveillance to monitor her for the rest of her life.

[Tom4784]

I don't "want mercy", I'm not making any comment on what we do with her once she's back under our supervision, I just think that's where she should be. I keep saying that my concern is for the people around her and what she might end up doing where she is, not for her personal safety and comfort, but that's just being ignored for whatever reason.

It gets ignored because it doesn't fit in with what people want to believe you're saying.

[MTVN]

I believe she's currently in territory held by the Kurds though so it's not as simple as her being tried in Syria.. they are still busy fighting a civil war there and can't be holding trials for the thousands of people who lived in IS territory. Plus we don't have a relationship with the Syrian government atm

[Tom4784]

She will be back in this country without doubt, we already keep murderers from this country and others live the cushy life in prison and then let uk killers back on the street and some times we send foreign killers back home.

We should kill the muderers and spend the money it cost on keeping them on good people, plus killing them sets the tone, that if you kill you will be killed.

Have you ever been to prison? I always find that the whole 'holiday park' narrative that gets thrown around in regards to prison life often comes from people who have never been.

[user104658]

I believe she's currently in territory held by the Kurds though so it's not as simple as her being tried in Syria.. they are still busy fighting a civil war there and can't be holding trials for the thousands of people who lived in IS territory. Plus we don't have a relationship with the Syrian government atm

Syria currently doesn't have the infrastructure for basic food and sanitation, let alone a functioning courts system. The idea that she should be "tried there" is a fantasy, might as well suggest she be tried in Narnia.

[bots]

Syria currently doesn't have the infrastructure for basic food and sanitation, let alone a functioning courts system. The idea that she should be "tried there" is a fantasy, might as well suggest she be tried in Narnia.

she could be tried in iraq just as easily

[user104658]

she could be tried in iraq just as easily

Why would Iraq want to put someone from the UK, who was active in Syria, through their court and prison system? Why on earth are we expecting them to? "We don't want to deal with them here... send them to dusty, still-half-broken Iraq". Is it just a case of "anyone's problem but ours" with this?

[bots]

Why would Iraq want to put someone from the UK, who was active in Syria, through their court and prison system? Why on earth are we expecting them to? "We don't want to deal with them here... send them to dusty, still-half-broken Iraq". Is it just a case of "anyone's problem but ours" with this?

it may have escaped your notice but isis did cause a bit of havoc in iraq

[Niamh.]

it may have escaped your notice but isis did cause a bit of havoc in iraq

Yeah but she's not a citizen of Iraq and she didn't commit any crimes in Iraq and she isn't in Iraq now so why would they just volunteer to take her and deal with her? :laugh: Sorry BOTS but that's bizarre logic

[Marsh.]

People keep saying she's Britain's responsibility when we have every right under law to strip her of her citizenship. And actually no, I don't want her on my doorstep, or anyone else's doorstep. The safety and security of the British public is the only thing anyone should be worried about.

Yet you would expect other countries to take their criminals back when they come to this country. :idc:

[bots]

Yeah but she's not a citizen of Iraq and she didn't commit any crimes in Iraq and she isn't in Iraq now so why would they just volunteer to take her and deal with her? :laugh: Sorry BOTS but that's bizarre logic

the isis caliphate stretched from iraq in to syria, so it was the one entity. Either country could legitimately hold isis members responsible.

[Marsh.]

the isis caliphate stretched from iraq in to syria, so it was the one entity. Either country could legitimately hold isis members responsible.

The UK could also legitimately hold its own criminals responsible.

[Kazanne]

I feel more for these peoples feelings myself. No doubt the liar Shamima Begum will be changing her statement if she sees her beliefs will stand in her way of coming back.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/i-cant-stand-the-thought-of-her-being-allowed-back-mother-whose-15-year-old-daughter-was-killed-in-manchester-arena-bombing-leads-backlash-against-isis-bride-after-she-said-terror-attack-was-justified/ar-BBTMZEN?ocid=spartanntp

[Cherie]

Yet you would expect other countries to take their criminals back when they come to this country. :idc:

They are generally imprisoned here are they not unless they are found to be here illegally?

[Cherie]

The UK could also legitimately hold its own criminals responsible.

Apparently she is not a criminal according to herself she is just a housewife, so she can get in line behind the other refugees in the camp, she put herself in Syria voluntarily, its only now that its all gone a bit tom tit that she wants to come back, odd that isn't it, her family have asked her numerous times to come back and she has said no

[bots]

its not that long ago that a british citizen was jailed in egypt for taking in pain killers, she wasn't sent back for trial to the uk.

[Cherie]

its not that long ago that a british citizen was jailed in egypt for taking in pain killers, she wasn't sent back for trial to the uk.

Exactly.....

[Marsh.]

Apparently she is not a criminal according to herself she is just a housewife

So? A host of child rapists believe they've done nothing wrong. Doesn't make it true.

[Cherie]

So? A host of child rapists believe they've done nothing wrong. Doesn't make it true.

What are we going to put her on trial for?

[Marsh.]

its not that long ago that a british citizen was jailed in egypt for taking in pain killers, she wasn't sent back for trial to the uk.

Exactly.....

:joker: We love a like-for-like comparison.

[user104658]

I feel more for these peoples feelings myself. No doubt the liar Shamima Begum will be changing her statement if she sees her beliefs will stand in her way of coming back.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/i-cant-stand-the-thought-of-her-being-allowed-back-mother-whose-15-year-old-daughter-was-killed-in-manchester-arena-bombing-leads-backlash-against-isis-bride-after-she-said-terror-attack-was-justified/ar-BBTMZEN?ocid=spartanntp

But the stance was criticised by Tory MP Andrew Mitchell, a former international development secretary, who said: 'We cannot just close our eyes and pull up the drawbridge.'

Rare for me to agree with a Tory... hmm.

[user104658]

its not that long ago that a british citizen was jailed in egypt for taking in pain killers, she wasn't sent back for trial to the uk.

Has she been jailed? That's a pretty major development, I'm surprised it's not been in the news.

[Underscore]

leave her to rot and burn in hell

[Cherie]

Has she been jailed? That's a pretty major development, I'm surprised it's not been in the news.

She was jailed for 13 months, she has just been released, the story was huge news at the time, I remember Alf posting about it as she was from Hull

[bots]

Has she been jailed? That's a pretty major development, I'm surprised it's not been in the news.

what planet have you been on? it was all over the news, she took them to her boyfriend who had a "bad back"

[Marsh.]

What are we going to put her on trial for?

Terrorism.

[Cherie]

Terrorism.

How are you going to prove she was involved, all she did was travel to Syria and have babies

[Cherie]

what planet have you been on? it was all over the news, she took them to her boyfriend who had a "bad back"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/28/laura-plummer-freed-from-egyptian-prison

[Marsh.]

How are you going to prove she was involved, all she did was travel to Syria and have babies

When she's openly confessed to having "no regrets about joining ISIS"?

[Cherie]

When she's openly confessed to having "no regrets about joining ISIS"?

How long will she get 3 years, 5 years? a good lawyer will probably get her a suspended sentence

anyone who saw her interviews wants their head examining with regard to bringing her back, that point of view about wouldn't you do the same for your family applies very much in this case, I want to look after mine so she can stay where she is, I dont really care about the rights and wrongs of it

[armand.kay]

i've been really conflicted on how i feel about this entire story. On the one hand she's dangerous and i really wouldn't want someone like her set loose in Britain. also it's almost hilarious how unbothered she seems in all these interviews... However she is a British citizen and therefore our responsibility if the country she's in doesn't want to deal with her and she does deserve a fair trail. I'm also a bit uncomfortable with talk of her citizenship being revoked mainly because of the implications that would have on the citizenship of other (non white) 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc generation immigrants in the uk. What weight would a citizenship have if it can be taken away? How could something like this be abused in the future?

[user104658]

what planet have you been on? it was all over the news, she took them to her boyfriend who had a "bad back"

Yes I know that, but last I heard she was in a refugee camp. But she's now been removed from the refugee camp and put in jail again?

[Marsh.]

How long will she get 3 years, 5 years? a good lawyer will probably get her a suspended sentence

anyone who saw her interviews wants their head examining with regard to bringing her back, that point of view about wouldn't you do the same for your family applies very much in this case, I want to look after mine so she can stay where she is, I dont really care about the rights and wrongs of it

Yeah, who gives a sh*t about anyone else's family. :umm2:

[Denver]

We should have a death penalty for terrorists.

They don't deserve to breathe let alone have rights

[AnnieK]

I keep completely flip flopping about this case - on one hand I agree with TS, I think she should be here as she is our responsibility to deal with but then I saw what she said about the attacks here - particularly the Manchester bombing and I want her to rot in hell.

[user104658]

I keep completely flip flopping about this case - on one hand I agree with TS, I think she should be here as she is our responsibility to deal with but then I saw what she said about the attacks here - particularly the Manchester bombing and I want her to rot in hell.

The issue is though she isn't rotting in hell... she's in another country, surrounded by other people. I genuinely think part of the issue is that people DO think of countries like Syria and Iraq as "that hell over there" where people can just stay and rot, rather than as countries full of innocent people, and someone else's home, where they deserve to be able to rebuild and not be left with the castoffs that we've decided aren't suitable "for somewhere like Britain".

[Cherie]

Yeah, who gives a sh*t about anyone else's family. :umm2:

In this case yes, I really don't! You can care enough for both of us

[Marsh.]

In this case yes, I really don't! You can care enough for both of us

Yeah, but I'm sure you won't ever call for foreign criminals to be returned to their homeland when on British soil? You're just not that hypocritical.

[Cherie]

Yeah, but I'm sure you won't ever call for foreign criminals to be returned to their homeland when on British soil? You're just not that hypocritical.

I've never called for that? criminals are generally put on trial and locked up here, are they not? unless they are here illegally in which case yes they should be deported of course, or are you saying British prisons only house Britons :think:

[Denver]

Yeah, but I'm sure you won't ever call for foreign criminals to be returned to their homeland when on British soil? You're just not that hypocritical.

If a foreigners is given residency I this country and breaks the law and goes to prison they should be shipped back to their own country

[Marsh.]

I've never called for that? criminals are generally put on trial and locked up here, are they not? unless they are here illegally in which case yes they should be deported of course, or are you saying British prisons only house Britons :think:

I didn't say that did I? I was saying you would never call for that.

[Cherie]

I didn't say that did I? I was saying you would never call for that.

and I have never called for it, unless you think you know me better than than I know myself

[Marsh.]

I didn't say that did I? I was saying you would never call for that.

and I have never called for it, unless you think you know me better than than I know myself

Again, that's literally what I posted.

[thesheriff443]

Have you ever been to prison? I always find that the whole 'holiday park' narrative that gets thrown around in regards to prison life often comes from people who have never been.

So I need to have been in prison to have an opinion, have you been a member of a terrorist group has you hav an opinion on this thread?

Don’t ask silly questions dezzy.

[Tom4784]

So I need to have been in prison to have an opinion, have you been a member of a terrorist group has you hav an opinion on this thread?

Don’t ask silly questions dezzy.

I want you to point out where I said you needed to go to prison in order to have an opinion on it, do that challenge and then go wipe the egg off your face.

As for your comparison, it's quite frankly dumb. You can have an opinion on prison but to say that it's a holiday park and make out that it's easy like it's a fact when you've never actually experienced it yourself makes your opinion uninformed, it's still an opinion, you're free to say it but you're uninformed on the matter as your views are based on assumptions with no basis in fact.

It has also jack **** to do with having an opinion of IS, you don't need to go to prison to know that it's a bad place to be and you don't need to join a terror group to have an opinion on terrorism. It's just a senseless comparison that's based on pure reactionary anger rather than logic and it shows.

Don't make silly comparisons, Sheriff.

Also do more to actually read and understand what's been said, this isn't the first time in this thread where you've misconstrued what I've said completely to suit your own argument.

[thesheriff443]

I want you to point out where I said you needed to go to prison in order to have an opinion on it, do that challenge and then go wipe the egg off your face.

As for your comparison, it's quite frankly dumb. You can have an opinion on prison but to say that it's a holiday park and make out that it's easy like it's a fact when you've never actually experienced it yourself makes your opinion uninformed, it's still an opinion, you're free to say it but you're uninformed on the matter as your views are based on assumptions with no basis in fact.

It has also jack **** to do with having an opinion of IS, you don't need to go to prison to know that it's a bad place to be and you don't need to join a terror group to have an opinion on terrorism. It's just a senseless comparison that's based on pure reactionary anger rather than logic and it shows.

Don't make silly comparisons, Sheriff.

Also do more to actually read and understand what's been said, this isn't the first time in this thread where you've misconstrued what I've said completely to suit your own argument.

Please give it a rest, read what you wrote.

You asked have I been to prison as if I needed to have been in prison to know what it’s like. You are losing the plot.

[thesheriff443]

Stop trying to tell me what I can and can’t post.

[thesheriff443]

I’m far from having an argument with you, you don’t know me, and stop trying to talk down on o me.

Your opinion is worth no more than mine, no matter how much you think it is.

[Tom4784]

Please give it a rest, read what you wrote.

You asked have I been to prison as if I needed to have been in prison to know what it’s like. You are losing the plot.

This is embarrassing.

You are trying to stuff words down my throat to make out that I'm trying to deny you an opinion when all I did was ask you a question.

Your reaction to that question has been completely over the top and you're lashing out at me because you know deep down that I'm right but you aren't big enough to admit it.

I have never denied you your opinion and if you straight up lie and make out that I have then I will crush those lies using the facts. Do not try to twist my words against me, do not try to make out that I said something I didn't, the words are all there but it's obvious you aren't reading them.

Do better, Sheriff.

[Tom4784]

Stop trying to tell me what I can and can’t post.

Point out to me where I told you what you can and can't post. Go on, I'm waiting.

[thesheriff443]

This is embarrassing.

You are trying to stuff words down my throat to make out that I'm trying to deny you an opinion when all I did was ask you a question.

Your reaction to that question has been completely over the top and you're lashing out at me because you know deep down that I'm right but you aren't big enough to admit it.

I have never denied you your opinion and if you straight up lie and make out that I have then I will crush those lies using the facts. Do not try to twist my words against me, do not try to make out that I said something I didn't, the words are all there but it's obvious you aren't reading them.

Do better, Sheriff.

You think I should do better, like I’m not as good as you!, you are twisting and turning trying to get away like a snake covered in baby oil.


You talk about crushing me with facts, you taking this a bit too seriously.

[Tom4784]

You think I should do better, like I’m not as good as you!, you are twisting and turning trying to get away like a snake covered in baby oil.


You talk about crushing me with facts, you taking this a bit too seriously.

So are you going to point out where I told you what you can or cannot post or are you going to ignore that challenge and continue insulting me while ignoring the fact that your accusations or nothing but projections?

I'm still waiting.

[RileyH]

All the memes about this are a ****ing scream

[Kazanne]

Looks like her British citizenship is being stripped according to the news, now I wonder what will happen as her family have appealed.

[rusticgal]

I don’t want her back. She made her decision and only wants to come back because it’s not as good as it was. She was asked twice if she had a message for her family and both times she said “keep fighting to get me home”...not the response the interviewer was prompting. Selfish little brat..it’s all about HER and what’s good for her.
Australia wouldn’t have her back and nor would France...just watch the human rights do-Gooders insist we need to protect her as a British citizen..just watch her come home in the next week...although many in this country will be in uproar.
Anyone who leaves this country to fight or support our enemy are committing treason and should sacrifice their citizenship...it’s that simple.

[Denver]

The government finally doing what's right and revoking the scums citizenship

[LukeB]

All the memes about this are a ****ing scream

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[LukeB]

England isn't her home anymore :shrug: the day she joined isis was the day england stopped being her home. I think they should not give her any attention and just say no! It's gross how she said the manchester bombing was fair justification as well.

[arista]

She was on BBC News yesterday
and said a big error to the Reporter
saying our Manchester Terrorist Bomb
attack was justified.

[LaLaLand]

She's had her citizenship stripped. :clap2:

ITV News confirmed.

[rusticgal]

She's had her citizenship stripped. :clap2:


Brilliant...where did you hear that Jonni?

...just heard on the radio. Britain has grown some balls at last.

[Oliver_W]

If nothing else it's an interesting precedent - can it please automatically happen when people run off to ISIS?

[rusticgal]

If nothing else it's an interesting precedent - can it please automatically happen when people run off to ISIS?

Absolutely...about time this country grew a backbone.

[Kazanne]

Absolutely...about time this country grew a backbone.

Here here,but bet some twat will find a loophole.

[bots]

great decision, lets see if it holds up legally

[Becs]

She's had her citizenship stripped. :clap2:

ITV News confirmed.

Best news. Now they need to look at the family in depth and consider doing the same for them.

[RileyH]

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[MTVN]

You can only do it when someone has dual nationality and her mother is Bangladeshi which makes it possible.. it sounds like a bit of a murky area though legally

[LaLaLand]

Link (https://news.sky.com/story/is-bride-shamima-begum-having-british-citizenship-removed-11642230?fbclid=IwAR0knfMitJ9ayUUf-Yu361Rh2UTUphrZD1qNDKVcH_qwkcSurQcYLSJIbas)

IS bride Shamima Begum 'having British citzenship removed'

Shamima Begum, who fled to Syria aged 15 to wed an Islamic State fighter, has told how she wants to come back to Britain.

IS bride Shamima Begum is having her British citizenship removed by the Home Office, her family's lawyer says.

In a statement, Tasnime Akunjee said: "Family are very disappointed with the Home Office's intention to have an order made depriving Shamima of her citizenship.

"We are considering all legal avenues to challenge this decision."

In a letter seen by ITV News, the Home Office said an order "removing her British citizenship" has been made.

The letter, addressed to Shamima Begum's mother, says: "If you are in contact with your daughter, or are able to establish contact with her shortly, I would be very grateful if you could ensure the home secretary's decision is brought to her attention, along with her right to appeal to the special immigration appeals commission, that arises as a result of the service and notice of intention to deprive her."

[Glenn.]

All the memes about this are a ****ing scream

IKR I’ve seen loads on Twitter. A howl

[Kazanne]

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The Billy Connolly video on FB is hilarious don't know how to get it on here though.

[user104658]

Not surprising given this government's tendency to pander to the masses... but this sets a precedent that should be very worrying to anyone in this country with dual nationalities.

[Becs]

Not surprising given this government's tendency to pander to the masses... but this sets a precedent that should be very worrying to anyone in this country with dual nationalities.

Good.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzygPf2WoAAoeqD.jpg

[LaLaLand]

The phrase "her right to appeal" irks me. She should have lost all of her rights the day she voluntarily and willingly left tbh.

[rusticgal]

Not surprising given this government's tendency to pander to the masses... but this sets a precedent that should be very worrying to anyone in this country with dual nationalities.


It’s a great precedent to set...anyone with a dual nationality should have nothing to worry about unless you turn against our country..:shrug:

[Kazanne]

The phrase "her right to appeal" irks me. She should have lost all of her rights the day she voluntarily and willingly left tbh.

Me too,I still think she will get back here.Her family asked her to come home several times and she said no,so why does it matter so much now?

[Cherie]

Cressida Dick was interviewed on ITV news earlier, it is not a crime currently to travel to Syria to take up arms, so all that would have happened is that she would have been met at the port, questioned and more than likely released and tons of money spent monitoring her for the rest of her life.

[arista]

[ISIS bride Shamima Begum can lose
British citizenship 'because she is dual national' ]

https://news.sky.com/story/is-bride-shamima-begum-having-british-citizenship-removed-11642230

[Cherie]

Me too,I still think she will get back here.Her family asked her to come home several times and she said no,so why does it matter so much now?

I think so too, this probably wont stand up legally and she will get back

[Cherie]

Not surprising given this government's tendency to pander to the masses... but this sets a precedent that should be very worrying to anyone in this country with dual nationalities.

I don't think most people with dual nationality would have much to worry about

Under the 1981 British Nationality Act, a person can be deprived of their citizenship if the home secretary is satisfied that it would be "conducive to the public good" and they would not become stateless as a result.

[bots]

it's been available to use since 1981 and I havent heard a case of it being misused yet, so no dangerous precedent is being set

[Livia]

Not surprising given this government's tendency to pander to the masses... but this sets a precedent that should be very worrying to anyone in this country with dual nationalities.

That's what democracy is.

If the government was pandering to the minority, that'd be something else.

[Livia]

Cressida Dick was interviewed on ITV news earlier, it is not a crime currently to travel to Syria to take up arms, so all that would have happened is that she would have been met at the port, questioned and more than likely released and tons of money spent monitoring her for the rest of her life.

Cressida Dick will have anyone practising International law to ****ing give up.

She could be charged under the Counter Terrorism & Security Act, she could even be charged under the Treason Act if she has pledged pledged allegiance to Islamic State.

Cressida, don't give legal advice and I won't say how the police should proceed.

[Denver]

Not surprising given this government's tendency to pander to the masses... but this sets a precedent that should be very worrying to anyone in this country with dual nationalities.

Can you please tell me why we should allow Terrorists to come and live a normal life in the country? they have attempted to kill us and this women has said the Manchester bombing was right just a few days back

[Vanessa]

Thank god. I think she's dangerous and should not be allowed back.

[user104658]

anyone with a dual nationality should have nothing to worry about unless you turn against our country..:shrug:

"Should have"

I don't think most people with dual nationality would have much to worry about


"You don't think"


That's what democracy is.


Democracy is the government conforming to every whim of majority rule? I don't think it is. I mean, I know that it isn't and I sincerely hope that doesn't change any time soon.

[bots]

She is apparently exploring the option of Dutch citizenship through her husband, so Nicky can welcome her

[user104658]

Can you please tell me why we should allow Terrorists to come and live a normal life in the country? they have attempted to kill us and this women has said the Manchester bombing was right just a few days back

As I have never said that they should, and have in fact explicitly said otherwise, no. I have said that Britain's criminals are Britain's responsibility. I have literally never said anything about what sort of life or what the circumstances should be for them in the country. And frankly, I think I've pointed this out enough times now for me to declare it "no longer my problem" if people are too thick or blinkered to understand that I'm talking about taking responsibility for and dealing with our own citizens rather than making them someone else's problem, and not providing a cushy home for a terrorist sympathiser.

[Ashley.]

Democracy is the government conforming to every whim of majority rule? I don't think it is. I mean, I know that it isn't and I sincerely hope that doesn't change any time soon.

This was always going to be the outcome, TS. The whole story was used as a ploy to assure the British public that they're 'doing something about ISIS.'

[Livia]

"Should have"



"You don't think"




Democracy is the government conforming to every whim of majority rule? I don't think it is. I mean, I know that it isn't and I sincerely hope that doesn't change any time soon.

No, and don't pretend you don't understand what I said.

The government is there to represent the views of the majority.

[Livia]

This was always going to be the outcome, TS. The whole story was used as a ploy to assure the British public that they're 'doing something about ISIS.'

And not because a member of a proscribed terrorist group intended to return to the UK?

The only people doing anything about IS right now is the Kurds.

[user104658]

This was always going to be the outcome, TS. The whole story was used as a ploy to assure the British public that they're 'doing something about ISIS.'

"We're doing something about ISIS!"

"What are you doing about ISIS?"

"Leaving them to their own devices in the Middle East far away from your children and granny!"

"Yaaaay! What else?"

"Oh. Nothing. B... but they're really far away yaaaay!"


But I can't really fault their logic because it seems to be working, the GBP are like "Yas problem solved". :facepalm:

[Vicky.]

have said that Britain's criminals are Britain's responsibility.

As much as my gut reaction is to say **** her...I agree with this. A lot of the people (not on here necessarily but its being talked about everywhere..) who cry 'send them back' when, for example a immigrant rapes someone here...yet its not our problem when its a british criminal?

I am of the opinion that she should be let back, her child has done no wrong and is likely to be killed out there and that doesn't sit right with me. However, I don't mean let her back to live her life, I mean let her back, and she can live her life in prison, in solitary..so she cannot radicalise anyone else.

Though I guess thats wishful thinking, as the sentence would likely be like 10 years anyway, and she wouldn't be in solitary because 'human rights'. My ideal outcome..anyway.

[user104658]

Though I guess thats wishful thinking, as the sentence would likely be like 10 years anyway, and she wouldn't be in solitary because 'human rights'. My ideal outcome..anyway.

I do think the issue of a soft sentence would come up and I do understand why people have an issue with that and are worried about it, but really I think that's an entirely separate discussion in itself as it applies in all sorts of scenarios (rape cases being a prime example, where some of the sentencing is absolutely abysmal even when there's a guilty verdict).

If it's a worry it's a broad-scale worry, not one that should be focussed on one specific case.

[Vicky.]

Oh yeah definitely agree the 'justice system' needs a total overhaul, many sentences are ridiculous.

[Mystic Mock]

The phrase "her right to appeal" irks me. She should have lost all of her rights the day she voluntarily and willingly left tbh.

This.

She joined a terrorist group that wants to destroy this country so she should stay there.

[bots]

She left the UK because the infidels she left behind should be murdered if they don't subscribe to the IS view of the world. She happily stayed in that environment up until IS started getting thumped in Syria.

In her interview she didn't come across as being thick, but she was still unsympathetic to infidels in the UK. She is a person that is a genuine threat to UK security.

If we can legally remove her citizenship, i am perfectly happy with that. I don't see it us my/our responsibility at all, not one bit.

[user104658]

If we can legally remove her citizenship, i am perfectly happy with that. I don't see it us my/our responsibility at all, not one bit.

It's "not one bit" our responsibility if a UK citizen (or ex UK citizen) is a threat to any other country, so long as they aren't a threat here.

Doesn't that just sum up the prevalent attitude of the last few years.

[Vicky.]

I really don't understand why she didn't even pretend to regret it. would surely have had more chance then. Seems daft to basically be all 'I want to come back but I regret nothing'

[Kazanne]

Why is she so desperate to get back now ? she hates Britain and her family are no better, sick of some people thinking she's a victim,NO, she isn't , the people her husband and friends killed were victims, why did she not try to get back when her first child died,if she is so bothered about her baby? All this media coverage is pathetic,she will get back to the country she hates and will happily take handouts from it, she said she is shocked at the decision to take away her British citizenship but not shocked at heads in bins !!! is she for real, she also said she would have taught her second son to fight for Isis,so better this baby is taken away from the family altogether,she only wants to come to Britain to get out of it what she can.

[user104658]

I really don't understand why she didn't even pretend to regret it. would surely have had more chance then. Seems daft to basically be all 'I want to come back but I regret nothing'

It seems so bizarre that I'm tempted to assume that there's a threat to her safety where she is currently if she's seen to be publicly denouncing the actions of ISIS... because as you say, even if she doesn't, why wouldn't she simply pretend for now? I don't think it's entirely possible to know what she'd say once back in the UK unless she actually is. But even that is a separate debate I guess. I personally think it would be good to find out; but I'm very aware of that being an unpopular opinion and that the general consensus will be "NO WHO CARES made her bed lie in it no interest in anything she would have to say etc etc". So we'll pretend I haven't even suggested it.

[Vicky.]

It seems so bizarre that I'm tempted to assume that there's a threat to her safety where she is currently if she's seen to be publicly denouncing the actions of ISIS... because as you say, even if she doesn't, why wouldn't she simply pretend for now? I don't think it's entirely possible to know what she'd say once back in the UK unless she actually is. But even that is a separate debate I guess. I personally think it would be good to find out; but I'm very aware of that being an unpopular opinion and that the general consensus will be "NO WHO CARES made her bed lie in it no interest in anything she would have to say etc etc". So we'll pretend I haven't even suggested it.
Hmm yeah thats a very good point I hadn't thought of.

Meh, having minority opinions is not that bad. If we all thought the same, there would be no reason for use to even speak!

[Cherie]

"Should have"



"You don't think"




Democracy is the government conforming to every whim of majority rule? I don't think it is. I mean, I know that it isn't and I sincerely hope that doesn't change any time soon.

When have you ever encountered this before?

[Cherie]

It seems so bizarre that I'm tempted to assume that there's a threat to her safety where she is currently if she's seen to be publicly denouncing the actions of ISIS... because as you say, even if she doesn't, why wouldn't she simply pretend for now? I don't think it's entirely possible to know what she'd say once back in the UK unless she actually is. But even that is a separate debate I guess. I personally think it would be good to find out; but I'm very aware of that being an unpopular opinion and that the general consensus will be "NO WHO CARES made her bed lie in it no interest in anything she would have to say etc etc". So we'll pretend I haven't even suggested it.

Maybe Bangladesh will take her? As a dual national don't they have equal responsiblity?

[user104658]

Maybe Bangladesh will take her? As a dual national don't they have equal responsiblity?

Legally yes morally no because she was born, raised and radicalised in Britain. That's what makes it our responsibility, not what some official documents say. If she is indeed completely legally stripped of her British citizenship I'll still consider it Britain's failing of responsibility if she does commit a terrorist act abroad or radicalises others. I'm sure plenty of others will be happy to say "Oh well she wasn't our problem".

[bots]

Why did she do the interview? It seemed to me it was to get back to the UK. I would have thought even entertaining that possibility would be against ISIS thinking. I don't think she would be under any greater threat where she was. She may have then become a target by other ISIS supporters if she got back to the UK .... may be even her family .... far more likely in my opinion.

[user104658]

She may have then become a target by other ISIS supporters if she got back to the UK .... may be even her family .... far more likely in my opinion.

Well... I suppose, someone definitely radicalised her before she left (I don't particularly buy the idea that people are radicalised online without other input) and so one would assume that whoever did so is still in the UK / in the community she left.

[Cherie]

Legally yes morally no because she was born, raised and radicalised in Britain. That's what makes it our responsibility, not what some official documents say. If she is indeed completely legally stripped of her British citizenship I'll still consider it Britain's failing of responsibility if she does commit a terrorist act abroad or radicalises others. I'm sure plenty of others will be happy to say "Oh well she wasn't our problem".

When someone pays a people trafficker to put them ahead of the queue in getting out of a refugee camp that is them putting their family first, no morality needed, when I want to protect my family from people like this woman, I must consider the morality of the situation? You bounce all over the place with morality TS, and for all we know she was radicalised during visits to Bangladesh

[Kazanne]

Well... I suppose, someone definitely radicalised her before she left (I don't particularly buy the idea that people are radicalised online without other input) and so one would assume that whoever did so is still in the UK / in the community she left.

Her father took part in marches supporting Lee Rigbys killer and also he supported Anjem Choudary, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree,

[user104658]

When someone pays a people trafficker to put them ahead of the queue in getting out of a refugee camp that is them putting their family first, no morality needed, when I want to protect my family from people like this woman, I must consider the morality of the situation? You bounce all over the place with morality TS.

Only if you're failing to separate the individual from the state. It's immoral for Britain, as a state, to refuse to take responsibility for a British criminal. Personal morality is entirely different and yes I stand by my opinion that protecting one's own family morally trumps other concerns.

Which is why - as I said - I don't think governments should base decisions like this on "majority rule". Because individuals will always and understandably put the safety of their own family in prime position in their reasoning. That doesn't automatically make it morally right for the government to go with that.

[Denver]

CH5 are probably kicking themselves they axed CBB.

She would have been top of the wishlist for them

[Denver]

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[reece(:]

the memes are TOO much

[AnnieK]

Apparently Bangladesh and Holland have both said she does not meet their citizenship criteria and as she cannot be made stateless, we may have to reinstate her citizenship

[Denver]

Apparently Bangladesh and Holland have both said she does not meet their citizenship criteria and as she cannot be made stateless, we may have to reinstate her citizenship

Syria ad Turkey are possibilities

[Marsh.]

sick of some people thinking she's a victim

Who?

[Tom4784]

Syria ad Turkey are possibilities

She doesn't have a claim to either, as it stands, she will have to have her citizenship reinstated.

[Denver]

She doesn't have a claim to either, as it stands, she will have to have her citizenship reinstated.

Wasnt her child born in Turkey? cant they offer her citizenship on that grounds

[MTVN]

Wasnt her child born in Turkey? cant they offer her citizenship on that grounds

? She's been in a Syrian refugee camp since she was located and literally had the baby only a few days ago

[MTVN]

I'm not surprised Bangladesh are pissed off about our attempts to offload her onto them when she's never visited the country in her life and has no links there, I can't see this decision standing

[Denver]

Best decision is to end her life like she has helped end others

[Denver]

i am also convinced she only wants to come home to recruit

[Jordan.]

Glad she likely wont be returning BUT she did raise a point questioning why others have been allowed back but not her. Seems because it's all over the news she's being used to set an example (far too late), meanwhile all the others who returned before her were quietly swept under the carpet.

[Cherie]

Glad she likely wont be returning BUT she did raise a point questioning why others have been allowed back but not her. Seems because it's all over the news she's being used to set an example (far too late), meanwhile all the others who returned before her were quietly swept under the carpet.

It is a good point, and one the public should be made aware of, only 1 in 4 returning Jihadis ever see the inside of a courtroom, Those that did return must have been in position to get themselves to Turkey or Iraq so they could be helped by the British consulate, her downfall was doing the interview and coming across so badly in it.

[Cherie]

I'm not surprised Bangladesh are pissed off about our attempts to offload her onto them when she's never visited the country in her life and has no links there, I can't see this decision standing

Children of one Bangladeshi parent have automatic citizenship up to the age of 21 without every visiting the country, that is their criteria they cant chop and change this to suit the situation

[user104658]

Children of one Bangladeshi parent have automatic citizenship up to the age of 21 without every visiting the country, that is their criteria they cant chop and change this to suit the situation

Again, criticising Bangladesh for "chopping and changing to suit the situation" because they don't want to take her... whilst fully in support of the UK stripping her citizenship because we don't want to take her :joker:. Come on Cherie.

[bots]

Children of one Bangladeshi parent have automatic citizenship up to the age of 21 without every visiting the country, that is their criteria they cant chop and change this to suit the situation

as much as I don't want her to return, it is a bit of a stretch to dump her on Bangladesh, i don't see it happening

[Cherie]

Again, criticising Bangladesh for "chopping and changing to suit the situation" because they don't want to take her... whilst fully in support of the UK stripping her citizenship because we don't want to take her :joker:. Come on Cherie.

Come on TS, two completely different situations, the UK government have utilised a clause to strip citizenship and for very good reason,the Bangladeshis are ignoring their own criteria, I dont blame them for not wanting her though.

CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH
Those that are born to at least one Bangladeshi parent acquire citizenship at birth. Those that are born in Bangladesh to parents whose identity and/or nationality are unknown also acquire citizenship by birth, as the child is assumed to be born to Bangladeshi nationals.

Citizenship at birth is also conferred upon Urdu-speaking people of Bangladesh since May 2008.

[Cherie]

as much as I don't want her to return, it is a bit of a stretch to dump her on Bangladesh, i don't see it happening

oh I agree but they cant say she doesn't meet the criteria when she clearly does up to the age of 21 if her mother is Bangladeshi

[Niamh.]

Come on TS, two completely different situations, the UK government have utilised a clause to strip citizenship and for very good reason,the Bangladeshis are ignoring their own criteria, I dont blame them for not wanting her though.

CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH
Those that are born to at least one Bangladeshi parent acquire citizenship at birth. Those that are born in Bangladesh to parents whose identity and/or nationality are unknown also acquire citizenship by birth, as the child is assumed to be born to Bangladeshi nationals.

Citizenship at birth is also conferred upon Urdu-speaking people of Bangladesh since May 2008.

Yeah but surely they can refuse that to people who've enver been and are terrorists?

[Cherie]

Yeah but surely they can refuse that to people who've enver been and are terrorists?

I am sure they can, but what is being reported is that she doesn't meet their criteria

I don't blame them or Holland for not wanting her, she hasn't exactly come across well in interviews so you have to wonder how bright she is and how easily manipulated she is, that said she hasn't done enough to be put in prison for any decent amount of time, so more money spent watching her will be the only way to go when she does eventually return because I have no doubt she will get back eventually

[Livia]

I am sure they can, but what is being reported is that she doesn't meet their criteria

I don't blame them or Holland for not wanting her, she hasn't exactly come across well in interviews so you have to wonder how bright she is and how easily manipulated she is, that said she hasn't done enough to be put in prison for any decent amount of time, so more money spent watching her will be the only way to go when she does eventually return because I have no doubt she will get back eventually

Oh I've no doubt she'll get back here either. Already there are plenty of people more concerned about her than the victims of IS.

[thesheriff443]

Oh I've no doubt she'll get back here either. Already there are plenty of people more concerned about her than the victims of IS.

The world is truly screwed, to many do gooder’s , giving scum rights over the people they set out to murder.

[Livia]

The world is truly screwed, to many do gooder’s , giving scum rights over the people they set out to murder.

There's never any mention in the press about her family, except when we're being told they think our government is unjust. But they're supporters of extremism too. Personally I think this story needs to be off the news and off the front page.

[Cherie]

Oh I've no doubt she'll get back here either. Already there are plenty of people more concerned about her than the victims of IS.

The world is truly screwed, to many do gooder’s , giving scum rights over the people they set out to murder.

There's never any mention in the press about her family, except when we're being told they think our government is unjust. But they're supporters of extremism too. Personally I think this story needs to be off the news and off the front page.

Indeed, who cares about them and what they are up to

[Oliver_W]

Even if she is deemed to be allowed to return, I don't think she should be aided in any way. The best case scenario (for her) should be "kay, we won't stop you, but make your own way here, we'll keep your cell warm xoxo"

[Livia]

I'm confused by Bangladesh's response and the way some people have just accepted it. Bengladesh says she's not one of theirs and people automatically believe them. Under Bangladesh law, a UK national who is born to a Bangladeshi parent is automatically a Bangladeshi citizen. I think Cherie might have already said this... soz if it's a repeat.

[Vicky.]

I'm not surprised Bangladesh are pissed off about our attempts to offload her onto them when she's never visited the country in her life and has no links there, I can't see this decision standing

Yup. I see a lot of anger at Bangladesh (and even fucing Turkey?!) all over facebook. But they have done **** all wrong.

[Vicky.]

It is a good point, and one the public should be made aware of, only 1 in 4 returning Jihadis ever see the inside of a courtroom, Those that did return must have been in position to get themselves to Turkey or Iraq so they could be helped by the British consulate, her downfall was doing the interview and coming across so badly in it.

What the actual hell? Thats seriously shocking.

[Vicky.]

I am sure they can, but what is being reported is that she doesn't meet their criteria

I don't blame them or Holland for not wanting her, she hasn't exactly come across well in interviews so you have to wonder how bright she is and how easily manipulated she is, that said she hasn't done enough to be put in prison for any decent amount of time, so more money spent watching her will be the only way to go when she does eventually return because I have no doubt she will get back eventually
Ah, I get the angry posts about Bangladesh then...its the lies, rather than the decision? As if they dont want her for what shes done, its the same as our decision really.

[user104658]

I'm confused by Bangladesh's response and the way some people have just accepted it. Bengladesh says she's not one of theirs and people automatically believe them. Under Bangladesh law, a UK national who is born to a Bangladeshi parent is automatically a Bangladeshi citizen. I think Cherie might have already said this... soz if it's a repeat.

How can you possibly be confused that Bangladesh - where she has never even visited - don't want to accept her as a citizen and yet fully supportive of the fact that the UK - where she was born and raised - don't want to accept her as a citizen? I'm not even being flippant here I honestly don't understand how anyone can hold such a self-contradictory opinion on this.

UK: "We don't want her, she's a terrorist, we're stripping her citizenship. Bangladesh can give her citizenship."

Bangladesh: "We don't want her as a citizen either."

UK: "WHAT??!?!? This is an outrage you HAVE to accept it."

[Tom4784]

Glad she likely wont be returning BUT she did raise a point questioning why others have been allowed back but not her. Seems because it's all over the news she's being used to set an example (far too late), meanwhile all the others who returned before her were quietly swept under the carpet.

Because she's an excellent distraction tactic from the utter trainwreck that is Brexit.

[Tom4784]

Wasnt her child born in Turkey? cant they offer her citizenship on that grounds

Why would they? The baby was born in Syria.

There's no real ifs or buts about it, Bangladesh have no reason to accept her and there's no real claim to offload her onto another country.

[AnnieK]

Because she's an excellent distraction tactic from the utter trainwreck that is Brexit.

This is what I came in to post.....whilst the public is outraged at the possibility of her coming home, the government can continue hurtling towards a no deal brexit

[Livia]

How can you possibly be confused that Bangladesh - where she has never even visited - don't want to accept her as a citizen and yet fully supportive of the fact that the UK - where she was born and raised - don't want to accept her as a citizen? I'm not even being flippant here I honestly don't understand how anyone can hold such a self-contradictory opinion on this.

UK: "We don't want her, she's a terrorist, we're stripping her citizenship. Bangladesh can give her citizenship."

Bangladesh: "We don't want her as a citizen either."

UK: "WHAT??!?!? This is an outrage you HAVE to accept it."



Everyone born to Bangladeshi parents is automatically a Bangladeshi citizen. That's the plain truth. Stating that's just me being contradictory is ridiculous. They don't want to take her... fine. She's stuck then, isn't she.

[Livia]

This is what I came in to post.....whilst the public is outraged at the possibility of her coming home, the government can continue hurtling towards a no deal brexit

I think the News organisations have to take responsibility. The government can't dictate what the news makes their top story. It's an incendiary story and the News orgs will run with that, rather than give us another twenty minutes on the mare's nest that is Brexit.

[user104658]

Everyone born to Bangladeshi parents is automatically a Bangladeshi citizen. That's the plain truth. Stating that's just me being contradictory is ridiculous. They don't want to take her... fine. She's stuck then, isn't she.

It's contradictory to be "confused" that Bangladesh are denying her as a citizen, yet "not confused" that the UK (country of birth) is rejecting her as a citizen.

[Livia]

It's contradictory to be "confused" that Bangladesh are denying her as a citizen, yet "not confused" that the UK (country of birth) is rejecting her as a citizen.

Now pay attention TS... I am confused that they has said she is not a Bangladeshi citizen when she is, in law. I don't care if they take her or not... but there are plenty of militant Islamists in Bangladesh, I'm sure she'd feel quite at home.

[Vicky.]

Is there proof that 1.4 Jihadis dont even see a court room? I didn't realise we had 'let back' people like her before actually. But I don't really follow this kind of stuff much in all honesty. News links and many discussions seem to be either filled with 'let them all in, human rights! Racist!' or '**** them all. and deport the rest too!'. No nuance at all. (not meaning on here obviously..but news links and other forums depress the **** out of me on this kind of discussion. Also discussions on Brexit)

[user104658]

Now pay attention TS... I am confused that they has said she is not a Bangladeshi citizen when she is, in law. I don't care if they take her or not... but there are plenty of militant Islamists in Bangladesh, I'm sure she'd feel quite at home.

Well I have to admit that does clarify your stance Livia.

[Livia]

Well I have to admit that does clarify your stance Livia.

Good. I'm glad. And I'm unapologetic for my stance. Enough pandering to militants. If they think we're treating them harshly, they should try Saudi. Or Syria maybe? Then the whole family can be together.

[bots]

I predict she and her family will be given new identities here in the UK ... just putting that here now for future reference

[Cherie]

Is there proof that 1.4 Jihadis dont even see a court room? I didn't realise we had 'let back' people like her before actually. But I don't really follow this kind of stuff much in all honesty. News links and many discussions seem to be either filled with 'let them all in, human rights! Racist!' or '**** them all. and deport the rest too!'. No nuance at all. (not meaning on here obviously..but news links and other forums depress the **** out of me on this kind of discussion. Also discussions on Brexit)

I posted a link earlier in the thread it was never picked up because it doesnt suit the narrative that she will jailed as soon as she set foot in the UK

[Cherie]

I predict she and her family will be given new identities here in the UK ... just putting that here now for future reference

This is exactly what will happen

[Kazanne]

There's never any mention in the press about her family, except when we're being told they think our government is unjust. But they're supporters of extremism too. Personally I think this story needs to be off the news and off the front page.

I agree, she will get back here, we are a laughing stock, not surprised that police officer who wants her back is a friend of the family,a family that believes it was right to kill Lee Rigby and a family that actively march with Anjem Choudry, why are people not concerned about the families of those killed by these scumbags ? Britain is not so great anymore, makes me a bit ashamed to be a Brit,seems we have to take whatever is thrown at us.that little backbone we had will soon break when the PC brigade start their tantrums.

[Kazanne]

This is exactly what will happen

Yep, it's a given, she will be slipped in quietly and we will pay to keep them and maybe the little boy will be radicalised too as she said she would have wanted her son that died to fight for Isis. Way to go Britain.

[Cherie]

Is there proof that 1.4 Jihadis dont even see a court room? I didn't realise we had 'let back' people like her before actually. But I don't really follow this kind of stuff much in all honesty. News links and many discussions seem to be either filled with 'let them all in, human rights! Racist!' or '**** them all. and deport the rest too!'. No nuance at all. (not meaning on here obviously..but news links and other forums depress the **** out of me on this kind of discussion. Also discussions on Brexit)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/12/just-one-ten-british-jihadis-have-prosecuted-return-uk/

[Vicky.]

Thanks Cherie. Thats genuinely shocking. And irresponsible of those in charge.

[Denver]

Corbyn has said we should support terrorists who want to return home.

Is this guy for real? if she was a jew he would want her gone for good

[Kazanne]

Corbyn has said we should support terrorists who want to return home.

Is this guy for real? if she was a jew he would want her gone for good

I saw that Adam,is this bloke for real .

[Tom4784]

Corbyn has said we should support terrorists who want to return home.

Is this guy for real? if she was a jew he would want her gone for good

Can someone actually confirm what he said without his words being obviously twisted?

[Tom4784]

I think the News organisations have to take responsibility. The government can't dictate what the news makes their top story. It's an incendiary story and the News orgs will run with that, rather than give us another twenty minutes on the mare's nest that is Brexit.

But the government can certainly help in keeping it at the forefront of attention. I think they knew that they couldn't strip her of her citizenship but attempting to do so will dominate the news cycle for a while.

[Denver]

Can someone actually confirm what he said without his words being obviously twisted?

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This vile piece if scum deserves no support what so ever

[Cherie]

She needs to answer questions and then any action may or may not be taken, I think we know which one it will be

[Tom4784]

1098564462620168192

This vile piece if scum deserves no support what so ever

Thank you for proving that you're pushing a false narrative and twisting people's words so I don't have to.

He didn't say anything there that a lot of people haven't already pointed out. There is uncertainty on all sides about the power to strip someone of citizenship and it being misused and if it doesn't go through then she does legally have the right to return. He didn't say anything about terrorists being allowed back and he certainly didn't seem supportive of her. He simply stated that she has the right to come back and that, if it happens, she should face questioning.

Stop twisting people's words for your own agenda, Adam.

[arista]

She needs to answer questions and then any action may or may not be taken, I think we know which one it will be


She has done interviews
with SkyNewsHD , BBC and ITVnews
all these TV interviews have made it worse
for her.


On the BBC interview
she did not care about our Manchester
Terrorist Attack in May 2017
comparing it to Syria attacks

that has made many more angry

[Denver]

Thank you for proving that you're pushing a false narrative and twisting people's words so I don't have to.

He didn't say anything there that a lot of people haven't already pointed out. There is uncertainty on all sides about the power to strip someone of citizenship and it being misused and if it doesn't go through then she does legally have the right to return. He didn't say anything about terrorists being allowed back and he certainly didn't seem supportive of her. He simply stated that she has the right to come back and that, if it happens, she should face questioning.

Stop twisting people's words for your own agenda, Adam.
She lost her rights to be treated as a human the day she left this county to bring harm to millions of innocent people.

Nobody wants her so there is only one realistic option

[Tom4784]

She lost her rights to be treated as a human the day she left this county to bring harm to millions of innocent people.

Nobody wants her so there is only one realistic option

She didn't lose her rights, international law is international law whether we like it or not and framing people who point out that law as being terrorist sympathisers is a disgusting way of censoring views you disagree with.

[arista]

She lost her rights to be treated as a human the day she left this county to bring harm to millions of innocent people.

Nobody wants her so there is only one realistic option


Some do want her back to understand
what went wrong.
But it will cost money once she is back
as she will need protecting

[Denver]

She didn't lose her rights, international law is international law whether we like it or not and framing people who point out that law as being terrorist sympathisers is a disgusting way of censoring views you disagree with.

Corbyn is a known racist and terrorist sympathiser

[Tom4784]

Corbyn is a known racist and terrorist sympathiser

I can't say anything of other agendas but whatever's been said about him in the past doesn't change the fact that you've straight up lied about what he has said here and framed him as a terrorist sympathiser in this instance for pointing out a fact.

[Kazanne]

Some do want her back to understand
what went wrong.
But it will cost money once she is back
as she will need protecting

Do you REALLY think if she is questioned arista she will tell us the truth ? of course she wont she will say what she thinks will help her, as that is all she seems to care about,she has backtracked already on some things as she knew the truth wasn't doing her any favours, I am not sure I believe the story on the babies either.

[Glenn.]

I’m living for the memes tbh

[arista]

Do you REALLY think if she is questioned arista she will tell us the truth ? of course she wont she will say what she thinks will help her, as that is all she seems to care about,she has backtracked already on some things as she knew the truth wasn't doing her any favours, I am not sure I believe the story on the babies either.


Yes that is a problem.

[Cherie]

There was a clip of her on the ITV news saying all the fuss is because she was on TV 4 years ago :umm2:

[Livia]

But the government can certainly help in keeping it at the forefront of attention. I think they knew that they couldn't strip her of her citizenship but attempting to do so will dominate the news cycle for a while.

The government doesn't decide what the News will run with as a top story. If you think so you've been misinformed.

[Livia]

I can't say anything of other agendas but whatever's been said about him in the past doesn't change the fact that you've straight up lied about what he has said here and framed him as a terrorist sympathiser in this instance for pointing out a fact.

He IS a sympathiser! You can't deny the evidence, Dezzy, unless you're deliberately ignoring it. The clever money would have been on him coming down on the side of the terrorist sympathiser. And guess what? He did.

[reece(:]

I’m living for the memes tbh

Some of them are hilarious, some outright racist

[thesheriff443]

He IS a sympathiser! You can't deny the evidence, Dezzy, unless you're deliberately ignoring it. The clever money would have been on him coming down on the side of the terrorist sympathiser. And guess what? He did.

Dezzy is too used to rail roading his opinions home and silencing those who have a different opinion to him.

He likes to use the word agenda and thinks we are trying to bring him down.

I will add that I don’t want to see children die, but a child that is filled with hate by its parents will grow into an adult filled with hate.

[Tom4784]

The government doesn't decide what the News will run with as a top story. If you think so you've been misinformed.

If you think that they don't know certain actions will keep a story alive and certain actions will kill a story then you're the one that's misinformed. The timing is advantageous and this would have been a story for a day or two in the normal news cycle but the government's actions are keeping the story alive. The whole back and forth over her citizenship is a way to keep the story alive. This government have shown in the past that they aren't too fussed about british IS fighters returning (The manchester arena bombing wouldn't have happened if they did), the only reason they're making a deal of it now is because it suits them to do so.

He IS a sympathiser! You can't deny the evidence, Dezzy, unless you're deliberately ignoring it. The clever money would have been on him coming down on the side of the terrorist sympathiser. And guess what? He did.

Re-read the post you quoted, Livia.

I'm not ignoring anything, I just don't care about Corbyn any more, I care little about either Labour or Tories at this point but in this instance that Adam straight up lied about, he wasn't showing support to the IS bride, he was simply stating international law and his worry that this could set a precedent that could be abused. I can't speak for other accusations but in this instant, he is certainly not being sympathetic towards her.

Dezzy is too used to rail roading his opinions home and silencing those who have a different opinion to him.

He likes to use the word agenda and thinks we are trying to bring him down.

I will add that I don’t want to see children die, but a child that is filled with hate by its parents will grow into an adult filled with hate.

I'm just gonna leave this here.

Point out to me where I told you what you can and can't post. Go on, I'm waiting.

I've made multiple posts in this thread in which I've asked you to show me where I've denied you your opinion or where I've told you you can't post and you've failed to do so every time but that's not stopped you from shoving words down my throat or throwing out false accusations.

Before you make up other **** about me, at least attempt to back it up to give it some validity.

The truth of the matter is that you can't handle a bit of debate, I've challenged your views and you don't like that and so you're trying to drag me through the mud through claiming I've censored your views or denied you your opinion when in fact, all I've done is offer a different opinion that you yourself can't accept.

[Cherie]

Well thought out article here

he government’s decision to strip Shamima Begum of her citizenship is a step in the right direction. Shamima and her fellow young jihadis have been turned ideologically, and become moving ticking bombs. It is a difficult judgment to make. As a committed defender of human rights, and a migrant myself, my first thoughts were for a fair trial for Begum in the UK. But as a Muslim, I understand too the radically dangerous implications of remaining silent.

Allowing Begum and other radicalised Britons a safe path back home from areas previously controlled by Isis in Syria and elsewhere is naive and will put our society at severe risk. I learnt that through personal experience.

A couple of people in my extended family have been turned in the past. They paid allegiance to Osama bin Laden, carried weapons and fought the authorities in the Middle East. That happened more than 20 years ago. They were young and brainwashed (just like Begum), and they paid a heavy cost for it. However, up until now they have not witnessed any ideological or mental change – not one bit


https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8788171.html

[reece(:]

I'm losing the will

https://www.facebook.com/ainsleyn1n2/posts/2037590546317848

[Underscore]

Z1dHoBP3rL8

[Twosugars]

how come Trump is taking US jihadists back?

[Cherie]

how come Trump is taking US jihadists back?

Don't they go straight to Guantanamo? whereas here the go straight to top of the housing list :laugh:

[Denver]

Don't they go straight to Guantanamo? whereas here the go straight to top of the housing list :laugh:

I saw speculation that the ones we refused to take back could be taken in by America and se t straight to their as they have like 200 free spaces or something

[chuff me dizzy]

Do you REALLY think if she is questioned arista she will tell us the truth ? of course she wont she will say what she thinks will help her, as that is all she seems to care about,she has backtracked already on some things as she knew the truth wasn't doing her any favours, I am not sure I believe the story on the babies either.

2 babies both died of malnutrition ? Naah Im not having that !!

[chuff me dizzy]

Don't they go straight to Guantanamo? whereas here the go straight to top of the housing list :laugh:

:clap1:

[user104658]

2 babies both died of malnutrition ? Naah Im not having that !!

Most likely scenario is that she failed at breastfeeding them and they had a lack of formula and were feeding it heavily watered down. A lot of babies in the ME / Africa / parts of Asia and South America die from malnutrition that way, sadly.

[Twosugars]

Don't they go straight to Guantanamo? whereas here the go straight to top of the housing list :laugh:

why do they go straight to top of the housing list?
it used to be that people blamed EU for things to do with immigration and perceived preferential treatment of immigrants
what will happen after brexit? who will they blame?
I thought it's the policy of hostile evironment for immigrants now :shrug:

[Cherie]

Most likely scenario is that she failed at breastfeeding them and they had a lack of formula and were feeding it heavily watered down. A lot of babies in the ME / Africa / parts of Asia and South America die from malnutrition that way, sadly.

Makes you wonder why she won’t let her baby be taken to the UK, she has refused point blank to let him go when asked if she would

[chuff me dizzy]

Makes you wonder why she won’t let her baby be taken to the UK, she has refused point blank to let him go when asked if she would

The baby is not UK's responsibility he's Syrian,not British

[Oliver_W]

I saw speculation that the ones we refused to take back could be taken in by America and se t straight to their as they have like 200 free spaces or something

That's sorted then, what's the issue?

[Denver]

Her father supports the decision to strip her British Nationality

[Vicky.]

Makes you wonder why she won’t let her baby be taken to the UK, she has refused point blank to let him go when asked if she would

I can understand not wanting to be seperated from your child. However, if there is a large chance the child will die, surely you would want them to be as safe as possible. I think she might be using the baby for the sympathy vote too tbh.

[Tom4784]

That's something that bothers me too.

She has lost two children already, I think most parents in her situation would be begging Britain to help her child even if it means being separated from him. Parenting is sacrifice and I think a lot of parents would give their child away if it guaranteed that child's safety and gave them a chance of living a good life.

[thesheriff443]

That's something that bothers me too.

She has lost two children already, I think most parents in her situation would be begging Britain to help her child even if it means being separated from him. Parenting is sacrifice and I think a lot of parents would give their child away if it guaranteed that child's safety and gave them a chance of living a good life.

The baby is a bargaining tool, she will be let back for the simple reason others have been let back.

So the baby is being put at risk for nothing.

[Niamh.]

That's something that bothers me too.

She has lost two children already, I think most parents in her situation would be begging Britain to help her child even if it means being separated from him. Parenting is sacrifice and I think a lot of parents would give their child away if it guaranteed that child's safety and gave them a chance of living a good life.Yeah absolutely

[RileyH]

Omg
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[Matthew.]

Omg
p/BuQ6VNbFsKk

Mess I saw this earlier and when I saw you were the most recent poster in this thread I knew it would be this :skull:

[brat.]

Omg
p/BuQ6VNbFsKk

mess at his story saying it's not racist as a piece of clothing doesn't symbolise someone's religion :skull:

[Liam-]

Omg
p/BuQ6VNbFsKk

God he’s a cock

[Oliver_W]

mess at his story saying it's not racist as a piece of clothing doesn't symbolise someone's religion :skull:

Well it's not racist, is it...

[RileyH]

mess at his story saying it's not racist as a piece of clothing doesn't symbolise someone's religion :skull:

'i've just dressed up as a terrorist who happens to be wearing a burka :rolleyes:'

[Denver]

mess at his story saying it's not racist as a piece of clothing doesn't symbolise someone's religion :skull:

Clothing is culture based not religious

[reece(:]

Omg
p/BuQ6VNbFsKk

https://media.giphy.com/media/l44QkQOxGkPRFUwr6/giphy.gif

[arista]

https://twitter.com/ryruckledge

His twitter
he says F. off

[Cherie]

ISIS bride Shamima Begum is believed to have fled her refugee camp with her newborn son after apparently receiving death threats.
The 19-year-old from Bethnal Green, East London, is said to have been bundled away from the Al-Hol camp in northern Syria to another squalid base after a 'price was put on her head'.
It is claimed other jihadi wives have vowed to kill her as they believe she has disgraced their cause.
Shamima, who was stripped of her British citizenship, has taken her week-old son Jerrah with her.


You didn't need to be Mystic Meg to see this was the next step in this story....so who exactly 'bundled her away'

[bots]

Clothing is culture based not religious

https://images.halloweencostumes.com/products/8490/1-2/nun-accessory-kit.jpg

[arista]

ISIS bride Shamima Begum is believed to have fled her refugee camp with her newborn son after apparently receiving death threats.
The 19-year-old from Bethnal Green, East London, is said to have been bundled away from the Al-Hol camp in northern Syria to another squalid base after a 'price was put on her head'.
It is claimed other jihadi wives have vowed to kill her as they believe she has disgraced their cause.
Shamima, who was stripped of her British citizenship, has taken her week-old son Jerrah with her.


You didn't need to be Mystic Meg to see this was the next step in this story....so who exactly 'bundled her away'


It all started with the Times newspaper
then all the UK TV news rushed to interview her
each interview with each station
upset even more people ,that watched her.

[Denver]

Her husband wants her to move to Holland with him

[arista]

Her husband wants her to move to Holland with him


Yes I gave that a new thread
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354761

[Glenn.]

ISIS bride Shamima Begum is believed to have fled her refugee camp with her newborn son after apparently receiving death threats.
The 19-year-old from Bethnal Green, East London, is said to have been bundled away from the Al-Hol camp in northern Syria to another squalid base after a 'price was put on her head'.
It is claimed other jihadi wives have vowed to kill her as they believe she has disgraced their cause.
Shamima, who was stripped of her British citizenship, has taken her week-old son Jerrah with her.


You didn't need to be Mystic Meg to see this was the next step in this story....so who exactly 'bundled her away'

It’s what she deserves

[Smithy]

Her baby has died

[Denver]

i feel for the baby.

What i dont understand is how it could have been fit and healthy days ago but has now died?

[Kazanne]

So 3 babies died ? isn't that a bit weird ? Im not sure she even had one.

[AnnieK]

So 3 babies died ? isn't that a bit weird ? Im not sure she even had one.

I thought that for a while too Kaz - it always looked like she was just carrying a bundle of blankets with her as she kept his face covered. There is a picture of him with his face uncovered in the paper today.

The conditions there are not the best with very limited medical help. I guess if he had picked something up, being so young there was always a chance things would not turn out well.

Poor baby - I feel little pity for her but he was an innocent :sad:

[Cherie]

Poor tot. She wouldn't hand over the baby to her family in the UK when asked if she would, despite losing two previous children, she should be charged with child cruelty if she ever returns

[bots]

the story about the baby's death is said to be fake by another source ... who knows

[Cherie]

Yes it is unconfirmed, naughty Smithy

[Kazanne]

It does say on the MSN loading page that the baby had died,so people would obviously believe it