Survivor 40: Winners At War

[caprimint]

Lol funny how Michele couldn't wait to work with Wendell before he made it obvious that he had no interest in her existence anymore :fan:

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Adam and Ben :joker:

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Adam's intelligence and instinct being right :clap2:

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Adam and Tony SAFE :dance:

Michele/Wendell double elimination and end this dull showmance **** PLS

[caprimint]

Yul is talking way too much...

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Quite a boring episode tbf

[Macie Lightfoot]

Oh my GOD FDSOLRJ she still thinks she's the Queen after that how embarrassing :skull:

Again, her stats don't lie :shrug:

[Jack_]

This is a fun season (and definitely worth the wait after spending 8 weeks watching every one I hadn't yet seen)...but this boot order is...not great. It's the old schoolers I was mostly looking forward to :shrug:

Casting largely okay but had no interest in ever seeing Ben or Sophie again. Would've preferred Mike, Todd, Fabio (underrated!) and maybe even Earl to be on? Oh and Hatch, but I can understand why he's not here. Don't know the life history of the others...

[JerseyWins]

Missed part of the episode but yessssssssssssssss TONY MADE THE MERGE!!!!! :devil:

[Macie Lightfoot]

This is a fun season (and definitely worth the wait after spending 8 weeks watching every one I hadn't yet seen)...but this boot order is...not great. It's the old schoolers I was mostly looking forward to :shrug:

Casting largely okay but had no interest in ever seeing Ben or Sophie again. Would've preferred Mike, Todd, Fabio (underrated!) and maybe even Earl to be on? Oh and Hatch, but I can understand why he's not here. Don't know the life history of the others...

Well Todd's had tough battles with alcoholism and Earl was contacted but I believe he just had a kid who was born prematurely and had to be in the hospital for like three months so he had to turn it down.

I definitely have issues with the cast but they're not Ben and Sophie :shrug: Love him or hate him Ben is definitely one of the more complex winners in recent memory and the main issues people had with him were his obnoxious coronation edit, the show planting Idols for him to find, and the show creating the F4 fire twist to help him win. Those are things production did, not Ben :shrug: and I think Ben also naturally creates interesting relationships with the people around him and bounces well off of other people. He's been totally fine this season because we don't have an obnoxious winner's edit sanitizing his bull****. Sophie is also one of the most unique winners we've had and I'm just in awe that not only are we seeing her again, but she's arguably getting the best edit?! She's a compelling narrator and quick-witted with incisive commentary.

*my* main issues with the cast is the fact that it's so saturated by new school players. We have the winners for seasons 27, 28, 29, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, and 37 :skull: It's just a little bit redundant to say the least, especially when they only cast six pre-HvV winners by comparison.

[caprimint]

Again, her stats don't lie :shrug:
Okay but look at the quality of what she actually brings to the show

Absolutely nothing :shrug:

[Macie Lightfoot]

At the very least she brings enough to make you feel some type of way where you’re trashing her every chance you get :shrug:

(and that’s not even going into the fact that you haven’t even seen Pearl Islands or Heroes vs. Villains)

[caprimint]

At the very least she brings enough to make you feel some type of way where you’re trashing her every chance you get :shrug:

(and that’s not even going into the fact that you haven’t even seen Pearl Islands or Heroes vs. Villains)
That's literally because everybody on here overrates her like hell when she does nothing to deserve it :joker:

We're talking about/basing it on this season anyway since that's what's airing right now

[Captain.Remy]

At the very least she brings enough to make you feel some type of way where you’re trashing her every chance you get :shrug:

(and that’s not even going into the fact that you haven’t even seen Pearl Islands or Heroes vs. Villains)

PREACH! Those Sandra haters are something else I'm telling you.
Anyway, weird episode but I take it. Gutted to see Yul going, but I guess the producers needed more of Michele vs Windell during the merge.

[Macie Lightfoot]

That's literally because everybody on here overrates her like hell when she does nothing to deserve it :joker:

We're talking about/basing it on this season anyway since that's what's airing right now

You’ve been talking about her a lot more than anyone else here has. But in case you need reminding, this season is called Winners at War so if the only people who are cast are winners, it’s absolutely relevant to bring up their previous season. Or seasons, since Sandra’s won twice and nobody else has ever. Hence her reputation as the best player ever and the queen of Survivor, a title which she has objectively earned no matter how much you want to dislike her mainly for the sake of going against the grain.

[caprimint]

You’ve been talking about her a lot more than anyone else here has. But in case you need reminding, this season is called Winners at War so if the only people who are cast are winners, it’s absolutely relevant to bring up their previous season. Or seasons, since Sandra’s won twice and nobody else has ever. Hence her reputation as the best player ever and the queen of Survivor, a title which she has objectively earned no matter how much you want to dislike her mainly for the sake of going against the grain.
That says enough, doesn't it? When even her fans don't talk about her anymore because there's nothing to say. I've commented on her dumb confessionals/incompetence to do anything, unfortunately which doesn't entertain me. :shrug: It's fine to compare and discuss their previous seasons... it just has no relevance to this one.

"Best player ever" :joker: Debatable, if you look at this season (socially and physically). I've not doubted/commented at all on her previous seasons since I haven't seen them though.

Oh and I dislike her because she's delusional, arrogant and embarrassing

[Braden]

Sandra is actually really well-liked by many former Survivor players, past and present. Even so, she's gained life-long friendships as a result. I doubt many of them would say she's delusional, arrogant or embarrassing.

She also has a super-friendly warmth on social media and treats her fans well, imo.

[Calderyon]

A reward challenge was edited out of last night's episode.

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[caprimint]

^ Adam's team won and they got pizza :flutter:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Sandra is actually really well-liked by many former Survivor players, past and present. Even so, she's gained life-long friendships as a result. I doubt many of them would say she's delusional, arrogant or embarrassing.

She also has a super-friendly warmth on social media and treats her fans well, imo.

Right? Most people who come into contact with Sandra during Survivor love her and there's plenty of evidence to support that: her winning twice, having to get swap****ed to get taken out in Game Changers, and being in a power position this season until she pretty much took herself out. Her main beef is with Russell Hantz, and that's a loooooot more of a reflection on him than it is on her. The show clearly loves her and the fanbase does too.

And as for her quit, I don't see what the big issue is because she's absolutely correct? Her biggest strengths in the game are her relationship-building skills, social game, and getting people to trust her by presenting herself as truthful and blunt, none of which would help her on the Edge of Extinction. She's already accomplished enough in the game to the point where she doesn't feel the need to torture herself for 23 more days just to get a spot on the Jury.

And that doesn't even get into the whole twist of Edge of Extinction. People hate it and have been critical of it ever since it was introduced, and for good reason! It dilutes the actual game of Survivor and goes entirely against the premise of the show. To have someone show up and immediately say "screw this, I'm out" is rather refreshing :shrug: It's on record that most of the cast haaaaated the Edge of Extinction twist when it was announced on Day 1 too. I think it was only Sarah and Nick who felt positively about it?

[Captain.Remy]

EoE and the fire tokens take too much screen time. They didn't even need all those twists to make the season interesting. They are all seasoned players so it's pointless.

[JerseyWins]

Sandra is hilariously blunt and bluntly hilarious. Her demeanor is top notch for a Survivor character, I find her amusing in like every single scene she's in :fan:

[Macie Lightfoot]

EoE and the fire tokens take too much screen time. They didn't even need all those twists to make the season interesting. They are all seasoned players so it's pointless.

Right? Like I don't even like Challenges that much, especially in this current era where they just cycle through the same ones every season, but I would've much rather seen the Reward Challenge and get to see the other tribes react to the Sandra/Parvati boots than watch Rob mansplain a scavenger hunt to us.

[Calderyon]

Along with the merge, the return competition is on the next episode.

[JerseyWins]

After rewatching this episode earlier, I kinda enjoyed this episode actually. Especially the EOE scenes (for once) and Rob's confessional from finding 3 tokens at EOE :clap1:

Ben was funny as well :joker:

[starry]

EoE and the fire tokens take too much screen time. They didn't even need all those twists to make the season interesting. They are all seasoned players so it's pointless.

I wrote much the same elsewhere. The 'extinction' lot aren't really getting much time recently anyway, and the tokens also seem irrelevant most of the time. It's like the producers didn't learn from Redemption Island where I remember they also put quite a few twists.

[Moniqua]

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[Wizard.]

I REALLY can't stand Wendell, he has to be the worst on this cast. Poor Yule.

I'm also a tad confused as to why Natalie had to walk up and down the Edge cliff 23 times carrying heavy logs to earn 1 fire token but Boston Rob can run up once and collect three tokens. Phwoar FISHY!

[JerseyWins]

Pretty pumped about Tyson getting the return. :clap1: Was liking him on EOE and should be pretty interesting!

[JerseyWins]

Tony's content in this episode.... WOW :worship:

This has been probably my favorite episode of the season so far. :clap1: Excellent merge episode

[Matthew.]

Adam OUT

[JerseyWins]

That's wild that Adam survived that! :joker: Holy **** I thought it was him for sure! :skull:

[Macie Lightfoot]

k that episode was flat and lifeless and easily the worst of the season. But it’s nothing new for Survivor these days — a decent to good premerge that starts to fall apart with a huge merge where the vote just turns into people listing names in confessionals like they’re moving chess pieces.

Yawn.

[caprimint]

WHAT an episode :o

Really enjoyed that one. Tyson getting back in was fine with me... I'd have preferred none of them tbh but he was better than Rob or Parvati so it doesn't really matter. He slayed the challenge too.

Denise is a really good all-round player, BUT if she turns on Adam/doesn't stick to her alliance with him I'm over her.

King Adam surviving AGAIN :clap1: He looked really stressed out/scared though :worry:
Lol @ Wendell going. About time. And when did he and Michele suddenly become close again? :skull:

I hope that godawful bros alliance is scrapped by next week as well (UNLESS they want to stop coming for Adam and go after Michele or something).

[caprimint]

Tony's content in this episode.... WOW :worship:
After calling Adam a snake?!?

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[caprimint]

That's wild that Adam survived that! :joker: Holy **** I thought it was him for sure! :skull:
"Queen" Sandra could NEVER!

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[Captain.Remy]

"Queen" Sandra could NEVER!

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She survived evictions many time sweetie.

Anyway, Tyson coming back is the worst that could have happened. I also hate that EoE still exists. To me they should all have gone home except for the returning player.

Other than that, Wendell was a threat on all aspects of the game. Him being too cocky was his ultimate downfall. Too bad Michele didn't know because I would have loved to see her writing his name down.

I see a Denise, Sarah and Kim top 3, and I don't know why. The editing I suppose.

[caprimint]

Well she couldn't do it this season could she :elephant:

[Captain.Remy]

Well she couldn't do it this season could she :elephant:

And yet she's still the Queen and the first contestant to have ever won two seasons, including one with non-winners where she was one, unlike this season where all of them are winners. I oop-

Don't get me wrong, I like Adam, but bringing The Queen everytime just to remind everyone he made it further than her in the season is a reach.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Especially considering that Sandra effectively had to take herself out this season :joker:

[Captain.Remy]

Especially considering that Sandra effectively had to take herself out this season :joker:

She really had nothing else to prove tbh, and she still got the two millions $ over her two wins :joker:

[MB.]

Sandra being the primary topic of discussion after an episode she wasn't even in speaks to her indisputable legendary status in itself, quite frankly

[Calderyon]

Looking like a Jeremy, Sarah, Sophie or Kim win.

Maybe Ben or Tyson as other possibilities.

[Headie]

Looking like a Jeremy, Sarah, Sophie or Kim win.

Maybe Ben or Tyson as other possibilities.

Winchele is winning!

[MB.]

Winchele is winning!

The way she slid off that pole the way Jeff will be sliding two million dollars into her bank account :love:

[JerseyWins]

Looking like a Jeremy, Sarah, Sophie or Kim win.

Maybe Ben or Tyson as other possibilities.
Winchele is winning!
Tony already won. It's over.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Looking like a Jeremy, Sarah, Sophie or Kim win.

Maybe Ben or Tyson as other possibilities.

There's not a chance Jeremy or Kim or Ben win if we're talking about ~edgic~. The clear top four going into the merge episode were Michele, Sarah, Sophie, and Tony, and I think it's pretty easy to say that Tony and Sophie separated themselves from the rest with their merge episode content.

Although if you ask the obsessed Michele stans, this was the perfect episode for her to get shielded from the negativity of being out of the loop on the Wendell vote, but at the same time she got *just* enough content bc Jeff asked her if she was okay when she fell in the IC and the camera panned to her when Sophie said it's okay to not be a part of every converastion.

[MB.]

Actually, I think you'll find it was a perfect episode for Michele's winner edit because all episodes are perfect for Michele's winner edit (including episode nine of Vanuatu)

[JerseyWins]

Actually, I think you'll find it was a perfect episode for Michele's winner edit because all episodes are perfect for Michele's winner edit (including episode nine of Vanuatu)
Was that the episode where the ladies opened that back door for Chris?

[Captain.Remy]

Actually, I think you'll find it was a perfect episode for Michele's winner edit because all episodes are perfect for Michele's winner edit (including episode nine of Vanuatu)

That damn gender war :skull:

[Calderyon]

There's not a chance Jeremy or Kim or Ben win if we're talking about ~edgic~. The clear top four going into the merge episode were Michele, Sarah, Sophie, and Tony, and I think it's pretty easy to say that Tony and Sophie separated themselves from the rest with their merge episode content.

Although if you ask the obsessed Michele stans, this was the perfect episode for her to get shielded from the negativity of being out of the loop on the Wendell vote, but at the same time she got *just* enough content bc Jeff asked her if she was okay when she fell in the IC and the camera panned to her when Sophie said it's okay to not be a part of every converastion.

Michele and Tony are also possibilities, I agree.

[Captain.Remy]

Michele and Tony are also possibilities, I agree.

I would LOVE a Tony win so much! If he survives through the "big threats" thing, then he's definitely worthy of the win.
To me he comes across much more nicer than his first season (he was a likeable dude the first time). His spy shack was hilarious.

Michele is moving nicely but quietly, she's also a contender but she needs to make at least one nice move, because as of now she's the one who wasn't in the plan to take Wendell out.

Anybody can win but Tyson, PLEASE!

[caprimint]

Not sure why but I feel like Nick will win :think:

Maybe Tony/Sarah/Adam too

[Calderyon]

I would LOVE a Tony win so much! If he survives through the "big threats" thing, then he's definitely worthy of the win.
To me he comes across much more nicer than his first season (he was a likeable dude the first time). His spy shack was hilarious.

Michele is moving nicely but quietly, she's also a contender but she needs to make at least one nice move, because as of now she's the one who wasn't in the plan to take Wendell out.

Anybody can win but Tyson, PLEASE!

Why not Tyson?

[Calderyon]

Not sure why but I feel like Nick will win :think:

Maybe Tony/Sarah/Adam too

I think either Adam or Nick leaves next time. Or Ben tbh.

[Captain.Remy]

Why not Tyson?

Never liked him in any of his seasons he was on. :shrug:

[JerseyWins]

Not sure why but I feel like Nick will win :think:

Maybe Tony/Sarah/Adam too
Reeeeeally @ Nick? :joker: He’s been so invisible at many times. Crazy if he wins!

[caprimint]

Reeeeeally @ Nick? :joker: He’s been so invisible at many times. Crazy if he wins!
True but then Sarah/Sophie haven't been that relevant either and they're still higher on people's predictions :think:

Nick seems neutral and like he will float through every week and end up randomly winning :fan:

[reece(:]

Reeeeeally @ Nick? :joker: He’s been so invisible at many times. Crazy if he wins!

Miss Capribet is blinded by her thirsting! Tony is winning!

[caprimint]

Miss Capribet is blinded by her thirsting! Tony is winning!
:joker:

I'd actually wayyy prefer a Tony win over Nick though!

[Wizard.]

True but then Sarah/Sophie haven't been that relevant either and they're still higher on people's predictions :think:

Nick seems neutral and like he will float through every week and end up randomly winning :fan:

Sounds like David vs. Goliath.


I would LOVE a Michelle win she's a queen although I am pissed that she aligned with Wendell when she should've been the master behind his elimination.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Michele is moving nicely but quietly, she's also a contender but she needs to make at least one nice move, because as of now she's the one who wasn't in the plan to take Wendell out.

She does have the Ethan boot to her credit, but I agree that she specifically would need more to get the win mainly because of how "undeserving" her first win was.

True but then Sarah/Sophie haven't been that relevant either and they're still higher on people's predictions :think:

Because Sarah and Sophie have actually gotten focus on their gameplay while Nick really hasn't gotten much focus at all. Nick got absolutely no focus until the Tyson boot when he was the other boot option. There's absolutely no way they would give the winner of Winners at War that kind of edit, especially when we're talking about a male winner of a very recent season.

[Calderyon]

How far do you think Tyson will go?

I think possibly in the final episode, but I think he might need some "help".

[Wizard.]

I still think Rob could come back and win the whole thing :skull:

[Wizard.]

There’s been a lot of focus on Natalie though so there’s hope

I didn’t understand how Tyson had an advantage in that challenge when he spent all his fire tokens on peanut butter

[Captain.Remy]

How far do you think Tyson will go?

I think possibly in the final episode, but I think he might need some "help".

Hopefully they get rid of him next episode :skull:

[Calderyon]

I still think Rob could come back and win the whole thing :skull:

His edit suggest that he is the 2nd returned. Apparently (according to the secret scene and I think it was ementioned in the episode itseld) they have to wait 17 days until the 2nd return challenge.

[Macie Lightfoot]

There’s been a lot of focus on Natalie though so there’s hope

I didn’t understand how Tyson had an advantage in that challenge when he spent all his fire tokens on peanut butter

I think the advantage cost one token and he found one during the scavenger hunt before Boston Rob jerked himself off while narrating how he found the other three.

As for the second returnee, we need more content in order to determine who it's going to be but we can definitely say that it's not Amber or Danni. Natalie looked strong at first but her edit has kind of been circumstantial since she's only been shown when she's won tokens. People like Ethan and Rob are getting decent-to-good content but they probably would've gotten that type of content anyway. Parvati and especially Yul haven't had much of an opportunity show us what kind of content they're going to get.

[Calderyon]

I'd say:

1. Rob
2. Natalie
3. Ethan
4. Yul
5. Danni
6. Amber

In order of likelihood of return so far.

[Wizard.]

I'd say:

1. Rob
2. Natalie
3. Ethan
4. Yul
5. Danni
6. Amber

In order of likelihood of return so far.

You forgot Parv and Wendell

[Calderyon]

You forgot Parv and Wendell

I did.

EDIT: Fixed.

[Calderyon]

Fixed list:

1. Rob
2. Natalie
3. Parvati
4. Ethan
5. Wendell
6. Yul
7. Danni
8. Amber

[Captain.Remy]

Yeah I think it's between Rob and Natalie. But Natalie coming back would be so random, bring Rob back!!

[Calderyon]

The next return challenge is in 17 days, so on day 36? Just 3 days before the final day?

That's a bit unfair, but sadly not uncommon in Survivor.

Unless this season is longer than 39 days, which I doubt.

[Wizard.]

The next return challenge is in 17 days, so in day 36? Just 3 days before the final day?

That's a bit unfair, but sadly not uncommon in Survivor.

Unless this season is longer than 39 days, which I doubt.

Well Chris did come back a few days before the final and won so....

[Calderyon]

Well Chris did come back a few days before the final and won so....

I did not watch Edge of Extinction.

[Captain.Remy]

Well Chris did come back a few days before the final and won so....

It really was a rubbish idea to bring him back a few days before the final. Like wtf are they thinking.:shrug:

[Calderyon]

Person coming back just before the final and winning the game is BS of the highest order and should not happen, whoever it is.

[MB.]

The day Michele Fitzgerald joined Cameo is a day they should be writing about in history books :love:

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Choose your fighter: Michele not knowing what "twink" means vs. Aurora being confused as to why people on Twitter are calling her "mom"

[reece(:]

What does Sochele even mean :skull:

[MB.]

What does Sochele even mean :skull:

It means that her sochele game is on point!

[Braden]

Oh wow, I never knew Michele threw the first brick at Stonewall.

[JerseyWins]

Oooooof everyone against Sarah just for giving up reward to Nick for his birthday :omgno:

[JerseyWins]

Omgggggg this is a MESS going into TC! :skull:

[JerseyWins]

Finally Adam is out of lives oop :fan:

Such a messy/hectic episode :skull: Sooooo random how that went down. Adam thinking that was an idol is HILARIOUS tho :laugh2:

[Headie]

Adam solidifying his legacy as one of the most embarrassing winners... hell one of the most embarrassing players EVER sksksksk

Loved every minute of that tribal :love:

[reece(:]

The goblin is gone :clap1:

[Headie]

p/B-vaVfeDQYN

[MB.]

Not sure why but I feel like Nick will win :think:

Maybe Tony/Sarah/Adam too

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[MB.]

Individual Kimmunity :love:

[MB.]

a huge merge where the vote just turns into people listing names in confessionals like they’re moving chess pieces

This is this week's entire pre-tribal segment in a nutshell lmao

[MB.]

Ethan's jury scarf... it is an iconic fashion moment

[MB.]

Ethan's jury scarf... it is an iconic fashion moment

Speaking of which, I'm glad they outsourced the editing of this week's tribal to the people who usually edit Untucked

[Macie Lightfoot]

Okay so I thought a significant portion of this episode was garbage because it was like a big checklist for things I can't stand about modern Survivor: this whole idea that you shouldn't be upset when you're left out of a vote, a literal montage of people just aimlessly saying each other's names to the point, a live Tribal Council, and just the general modern Survivor tendency to sacrifice any tangible storytelling for CHAOS and BLINDSIDES.

That being said, it was the most palatable a live Tribal Council has ever been, and probably ever will be, because it just served as the backdrop for Ben to scold and yell at Adam for like three straight minutes :love::love::love: and I definitely do not like Adam at all and think he's in contention for the worst confessional delivery in the history of the show, but I'm fully okay with him being a part of this season considering that his run ended with him embarrassing himself by trying to dismantle the Tribal Council set for a Hidden Immunity Idol that possibly only existed in his mind because of Survivor South Africa: Philippines (I can't say for certain whether or not this was Palesa's doing but Adam is absolutely the type of superfan who would watch foreign seasons of Survivor.) Hilarious ending that might just be worth the price of admission.

[MB.]

Okay so I thought a significant portion of this episode was garbage because it was like a big checklist for things I can't stand about modern Survivor: this whole idea that you shouldn't be upset when you're left out of a vote, a literal montage of people just aimlessly saying each other's names to the point, a live Tribal Council, and just the general modern Survivor tendency to sacrifice any tangible storytelling for CHAOS and BLINDSIDES.

Tony's earnest "it's as if Sarah accidentally became a human and not the emotionless barbarian you have to be to win Survivor!" confessional was particularly egregious on this front, not least because this is the same man whose winning game involved making involuntary llama noises when threatened

[Captain.Remy]

I live for such a messy Adam eviction :joker: I can see why they edited him as a goofy dunce since the beginning, it was all leading up to this moment! He deserved to go.

I don't get why people got upset with Sarah giving away her reward to Nick. Show some love people, not everything is about strategy. I would have done the same knowing it was his birthday.

The editing looked weird tonight, and it lead to nowhere until the very end of the tribal council. But it was fun and chaotic. The messiness we didn't know we needed.

Btw they need to stop with this winners at war ****ty music :skull:

[caprimint]

THE ADAM SHOW :love: :love: :love:

Slayed it until his very last second. What a legend :clap1:

[caprimint]

#AnyoneButBen&Sarah to win

[caprimint]

Oh scrap that, I didn't realise Adam still has a chance on EOE :clap1:

[Captain.Remy]

Oh scrap that, I didn't realise Adam still has a chance on EOE :clap1:

Never gonna happen though.

[caprimint]

Never gonna happen though.
Adam makes anything possible :dazzler:

[Wizard.]

That was hilarious :laugh:

So many embarrassing moments for the winners this season, I feel like so far everyone who has been eliminated has been made a bit of a mockery of, and I fear that Michelle's time will end with her flipping a coin and her not being safe :(

[Wizard.]

I really did want that podium to be an idol though, just for the fumes and also Nick gets on my nerves more with his moping.

[Braden]

I have 4 episodes of this to catch-up with but I saw the most recent tribal council and couldn’t believe it. I have to give Adam credit because he really has provided this season —he’s generally a harmless character—and the podium/idol play was hilarious.

However, what happened to the good old days where people knew who they were voting for pre-tribal? I used to enjoy the chaotic whispering, but we don’t even know what any of them are saying and it’s just meaningless tosh to build suspense.

Gonna catch-up soon but don’t know whether to wait till the season is over.

[Wizard.]

Do we know what's happening with the final? And has S41 been postponed?

[Captain.Remy]

Do we know what's happening with the final? And has S41 been postponed?

Here for a crowning in a Zoom video conference call :laugh:
The mess of 20 contestants + Jeff shouting tf out in their microphones wearing tribal stuff to make it "exotic" :joker:

In France, they delayed the taping of the 2021 season. Thankfully the contestants were not in Fiji already, only staff and production members doing pre-show work. They have all been sent back to France safely. So I guess the same is happening with Survivor. We also stopped taping the Amazing Race, but contestants were already competing. A mess :skull:

Btw, a bit scared for Big Brother. I read on some forums that they will be delaying to August/fall, as Big Brother seems to be a slot filler when there are no shows to air, because a lot of tv series can't be filmed currently.

[LukeB]

Do we know what's happening with the final? And has S41 been postponed?

41 + 42 filming has been delayed so it's looking like they will not be survivor 41 this year.

[Captain.Remy]

And do we know when the second contestant from EoE will return? I guess not next week, but not too long after would be good. We don't want somebody coming back during final 5 :skull:

[Captain.Remy]

41 + 42 filming has been delayed so it's looking like they will not be survivor 41 this year.

That kind of confirms that BB will happen in fall then. They will need something to fill the time slot with. :shrug:
At least the casting crew will have more time to gather a much better cast than BB21 lol

PS: were there any themes leaked for 41 and 42?

[JerseyWins]

#AnyoneButBen&Sarah to win
Sksksks did you turn on Ben after this episode??? :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

I really did want that podium to be an idol though, just for the fumes and also Nick gets on my nerves more with his moping.

I don't mind Nick being a petulant brat after the votes don't go his way because A) this apparently happened a lot in DvG but they had to downplay it bc of his winner's edit, and B) if he doesn't care about being left out of the vote, why should I care about the vote at all? Survivor needs emotion to be compelling!

However, what happened to the good old days where people knew who they were voting for pre-tribal? I used to enjoy the chaotic whispering, but we don’t even know what any of them are saying and it’s just meaningless tosh to build suspense.

I can't stand the live TCs and chaotic whispering. The show clearly places a high premium on CHAOS and SCRAMBLING but there's nothing compelling about watching people run across a television set whispering into each other's ears. It's usually just a huge waste of time and doesn't actually you anything about what's actually happening.

Last night's was definitely more tolerable because it just served as the backdrop to Ben yelling at Adam, but the point still stands.

We also stopped taping the Amazing Race, but contestants were already competing. A mess :skull:

What's even more frustrating about this is that TAR32 already filmed and they're just not airing it for whatever reason. It would be perfect filler since all the TV networks are scrambling to find ways to fill their hours, but instead CBS just wants to give us Pit Stop pictures that we can use as Zoom backgrounds, which is hilariously tone deaf and insulting to the fanbase.

[reece(:]

Can we discuss the overuse of that dumb Winners at War soundtrack song.

Acting like it's the hunger games or some ****.

[JerseyWins]

And do we know when the second contestant from EoE will return? I guess not next week, but not too long after would be good. We don't want somebody coming back during final 5 :skull:
Idk for sure about when the returnee will come back but I've read spoilers and this is when I think it's happening:

After 6th place is eliminated, at F5, to get back to 6 people. Original 6th place will then technically be 7th place... (not positive tho)

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yeah I don't see any reason to believe that the second returnee won't enter at the beginning of the finale like last year, because I'm sure the logic in their mind is to make it as easy for Rob as possible.

[Captain.Remy]

Can we discuss the overuse of that dumb Winners at War soundtrack song.

Acting like it's the hunger games or some ****.

It's heinous :bawling::skull:
They overplay it and in the meantime we still don't have proper opening credits. wtf.

[caprimint]

Sksksks did you turn on Ben after this episode??? :joker:
Yes he was rude to Adam :idc:

[Calderyon]

Adam leaving was predictable, even though lots of things happened.

I think either Nick, Ben, Denise or Tyson leaves next. Nick seems to always be a target, Ben is a wildcard, Denise is too big of a physical threat and she has made the biggest move of the season so far and Tyson is a huge jury threat, strategic threat and physical threat.

If they want to split Sophie and Sarah, I think Sarah is more of a possibility to leave.

Would have said Michele, but her edit is quite strong and also her is going to used at some point, so I don't see her going anywhere before that. Sophie was almost non existent in this episode, but her edit has been quite strong up until now. Tony, Kim and Jeremy have strong edits too so far. The next episode preview however was somewhat interesting.

In order of likely hood of voted off next imo:

Nick - Most likely
Ben
Denise
Tyson
Sarah
Tony
Sophie
Kim
Michele
Jeremy - Least likely

[caprimint]

Are they talking about corona right now or is it just the CBS news :think:

[JerseyWins]

These family visits are so repetitive and tbh a bit of a drag but I'm looking forward to this one for some reason... maybe that it's all returnees.

I wanna see Tony's family, let's get to that :clap1:

[JerseyWins]

Are they talking about corona right now or is it just the CBS news :think:
No the episode started already :joker: They've started it with the family visit.

[caprimint]

Oh **** it it's **** without Adam anyway :hmph:

[JerseyWins]

Tony's family scene :clap1: He was sooo emotional :bawling:

Oh **** it it's **** without Adam anyway :hmph:
:joker:

[JerseyWins]

Aaaaaaand that's literally half the episode gone :skull:

That's why I don't like these family visits :joker: Same thing over and over again and it wastes a ton of time.

[JerseyWins]

TONY with his first immunity win LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO :amazed:

[JerseyWins]

LOVING Tony's strategizing this episode :clap1:

[JerseyWins]

Is whispering during TC going to just become a regular thing now lol? :skull:

[JerseyWins]

That was all sooooo confusing :joker: I don't mind Tyson going but would've preferred Kim to play her idol correctly and they take out Sophie!

Oh well this season is still going along smoothly :clap1:

[Macie Lightfoot]

lmfao that episode was complete garbage. FIVE MINUTES of camp life and game talk where the camp as arbitrarily split into two different alliances that don't even make sense, another ~live Tribal Council~, two advantages and an Idol played, and then the cherry on top is a vote that was not even attempted to be explained to us!

I don't know, I've come to expect every season of Survivor to turn into complete garbage so it's not surprising but it's still upsetting. Like if the show doesn't even want to explain ANYTHING that happened tonight to me, why should I try to figure it out and care?

[caprimint]

Waaaay too much time spent on the family visits. However, really cute moments for Adam, Tony and Tyson :love: Also Bobby (Sophie's fiancé) is HOT :drool:

Tony winning immunity was great :clap1:

Another messy/entertaining TC. I actually had no clue who was gonna be eliminated. Kim was so dumb playing that idol for Denise though.

Sarah was REALLY annoying when discussing with Tony who to vote for. Was thinking/hoping he might try and get her out after that :fan:

[caprimint]

TONY with his first immunity win LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO :amazed:
Lol I was waiting for this reaction

That was all sooooo confusing :joker: I don't mind Tyson going but would've preferred Kim to play her idol correctly and they take out Sophie!

THIS

[Captain.Remy]

Tony safe and Tyson gone, what a great outcome!
Glad Kim is still there, she still made a move and secured herself as a good player. I hope Tony, Jeremy, Denise and Kim can recover from being on the outside.

Other than that, the episode wasn't that great tbh They really need to extend the length of the episodes, because the edit is going wild.

[Macie Lightfoot]

The episode length is fine, they were able to accurately tell a story in 42 minutes each week for a long time successfully. The bigger issue all the bull**** they throw into the show now. Every time they show Fire Tokens it’s at the expense of actually showing camp life. Every time they show the Edge of Extinction it’s at the expense of showing relationships being built and bonds being strengthened. Every time they show whispering at Tribal Council it’s at the expense of an actual conversation you can follow along and understand. The issue isn’t episode length, it’s that they keep filling the show with more and more twists and advantages and features they actively take away from tangible forward plot movement.

[JerseyWins]

I don't mind the TC whispering (kinda find them entertaining even when they're not done right I guess) but just try to have some sense and reasoning to them! This one was a bit too messy and toneless like some of them tend to be.

[reece(:]

That episode was utter garbage, I could not care less about family segments or nonsensical whispering at TC.

[Captain.Remy]

The episode length is fine, they were able to accurately tell a story in 42 minutes each week for a long time successfully. The bigger issue all the bull**** they throw into the show now. Every time they show Fire Tokens it’s at the expense of actually showing camp life. Every time they show the Edge of Extinction it’s at the expense of showing relationships being built and bonds being strengthened. Every time they show whispering at Tribal Council it’s at the expense of an actual conversation you can follow along and understand. The issue isn’t episode length, it’s that they keep filling the show with more and more twists and advantages and features they actively take away from tangible forward plot movement.

But other than that, we hardly see anything related to surviving on an island. We don't see them getting food, hardly fishing etc I'm fine with the twists (sometimes they're overused), but a full 45 minutes is definitely not enough. Sometimes people get voted out and call it a "blindside" whereas it probably come from somewhere we didn't get to see properly. It's like a new plot is coming out of nowhere every episode and not having a full understanding of what is going on.

[Macie Lightfoot]

45 minutes was enough for around 30 or so seasons, and that was with most episodes having two Challenges! The show has just become absolutely suffocated by its own twists. When each episode has to feature the Edge of Extinction, someone receiving an advantage and giving a stock confessional debating whether or not they should inevitably spend their Fire Tokens on said advantage, confessionals that only list names of other players, and TC whispers that you can't even follow along to, there's not enough time left to actually explain what's going on.

Basically what it comes down to is that if the show is unfollowable in its current state, which it absolutely is, that's a reflection on how the show is being produced and edited rather than just them needing longer episodes. When there are at least four of five moments that HAVE to be shown because of the nature of the game in its current state, they effectively just become white noise and don't lead to any forward plot movement and then we're left with a garbage episode like last night's.

[Captain.Remy]

45 minutes was enough for around 30 or so seasons, and that was with most episodes having two Challenges! The show has just become absolutely suffocated by its own twists. When each episode has to feature the Edge of Extinction, someone receiving an advantage and giving a stock confessional debating whether or not they should inevitably spend their Fire Tokens on said advantage, confessionals that only list names of other players, and TC whispers that you can't even follow along to, there's not enough time left to actually explain what's going on.

Basically what it comes down to is that if the show is unfollowable in its current state, which it absolutely is, that's a reflection on how the show is being produced and edited rather than just them needing longer episodes. When there are at least four of five moments that HAVE to be shown because of the nature of the game in its current state, they effectively just become white noise and don't lead to any forward plot movement and then we're left with a garbage episode like last night's.

Agreed, but still the length is to me very important to feature all aspects of the game. Either less twists but better plot development, or a longer episodes with (not all) twists and more "surviving" aspect. I think a 90 minutes episode can do wonders to feature everything. Because really two tribal councils full of whispering is unwatchable :skull:

[Macie Lightfoot]

It's even more insulting when you think back to Marquesas and Kathy wanted to have a conversation with Vecepia at F4 without having the Jury hear and Jeff *IMMEDIATELY* shut that **** down. And now he's lost control of his on show.

[Jack_]

This was a mess. And not a good mess. I don’t mind the odd ~live~ tribal, but fgs the whole point of tribal is you sit down and hash out the tribe dynamics and give the viewers some insight into what’s going on :facepalm:

I actually laughed when Jeff asked “has everyone said what they wanted to?”, no one had said anything!! I’m sure they did in reality but it didn’t make the edit

I feel like if they want to continue the whispers at least put some subtitles up so we know what’s going on :shrug:

[Calderyon]

How the vote went:

Sophie voted Denise
Tony voted Tyson
Tyson voted Sophie
Nick voted Tyson
Kim voted Sophie
Sarah voted Tyson
Sarah also voted Denise (she stole her vote)
Michele voted Tyson
Ben voted Tyson

Tyson 5, Denise and Sophie 2

Jeremy left the tribal without voting by using his advantage, but was safe.

[Calderyon]

Seems like Nick and Michele have alligned with Sarah, Ben, Tony & Sophie

[Calderyon]

This list could be completely wrong:

Denise - Most likely to go next
Sophie
Sarah
Jeremy
Tony
Kim
Nick
Michele
Ben - Least likely to go next

[starry]

Half of the episode was trash.

The other half was about whether Kim played her idol right or not.

There's just too many advantages anyway, that just dilutes the game. You get immunity and you get 'fire tokens', to reward those who may be thought bigger targets. And the vote steal thing is a like a double advantage, you take a vote away and can use it yourself?

People will never go to rocks if they can help it anyway.

Unfortunately I think I already got spoiled on the winner, visited the home page of a forum and they put spoiler posts there along with others ones, some Americans are very stupid.

[Calderyon]

Tyson's vote off was both predictable and surprising tbh.

[JerseyWins]

Idk why I'm reeeeeally excited about this particular episode. I guess probably because it seems like it's Tony Time :dance:

Good or bad he definitely seems to have some major content coming

[reece(:]

Idk why I'm reeeeeally excited about this particular episode. I guess probably because it seems like it's Tony Time :dance:

Good or bad he definitely seems to have some major content coming

Because it can only go up from that ****ty last episode?

[caprimint]

Poker advert cus they know Jersey be watching :fan:

[caprimint]

Ben: "You?!?" AHHHHH :joker:

[caprimint]

Lol Tony sending Nick off in the wrong direction :love:

[caprimint]

**** off Kim you were irrelevant till Tony made ya pipe up

[Jack_]

I’m screaming at this Tony scene :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Kim being perceptive as ever :love: the Sarah Lacina fashion scene :love:

but this episode kinda sucks though, The Tony Show is a very boring one.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Again, the fact that we have to waste ~10 minutes of this episode watching people exchange in-game currency is everything wrong with Survivor in its current state.

[JerseyWins]

Tony is just stealing the shooooooooooooooow tonight :joker:

TWO STRAIGHT immunity wins!

And that idol in his back pocket :clap1:

[JerseyWins]

Holy **** this is suuuuuuuuuuuch an interesting twist to the end of this episode :skull: Now I'm nervous :worry:

Sophie going would be so good but idk if it can happen :think:

[JerseyWins]

Damn I REALLY feel like it's Jeremy but Sophie would be SOOOO good :worry:

[JerseyWins]

That is a ****ing LEGENDARY boot/move and one of the best episodes I've seen in a long time! :clap1:

[Macie Lightfoot]

God this merge has been ****ing terrible. Entirely lifeless, no forward plot movement, and entirely focused on Idols and Advantages and Fire Tokens.

This episode in particular was just an hour of Tony sucking himself off and the editors sucking him off and it reminded me of why Cagayan's post merge is not good and the season as a whole is really overrated. It was an episode that only focused on Tony for the sake of justifying his inevitable win so that he's seen as ~deserving~ because the show has become some meta-aware that it's more concerned about giving the viewers the winner that they want. I don't know, I just don't see anything interesting about watching someone spend 10 minutes discussing and navigating their game around fictitious in-game currency that doesn't even matter or watching someone come up with the nth variant of the spy habitat. It's basically a lighthearted Russell Hantz, which at the end of the day is still Russell Hantz.

[JerseyWins]

FALSE. This season is picking up since the merge :joker:

[MB.]

FALSE. This season is picking up since the merge :joker:

me watching an entirely different season from fifteen years ago instead of this one

[Macie Lightfoot]

The Adam episode had its flaws but at least had some humor as well because it was funny to see him humiliate himself, but the merge episode and last week's episode and tonight's episode were all heaping piles of garbage. The show is just collapsing under the weight of too many twists and advantages. The Extortion Advantage tonight was a particularly egregious waste of time. I think that segment was close to 10 minutes and all it told us was "Tony can't vote" and then "jk now he can." That doesn't tell me anything new and is not compelling television.

[JerseyWins]

Last episode is the only one I agree where the editing was so sloppy that it basically wasn't even enjoyable (hard to follow anything at all). But the other episodes have still been chaotic and fun in a way where you can still follow the story. Tonight's episode in particular was incredible but I may be biased about the large amount of Tony content :fan:

@Macie From an "edgic" perspective: (spoiler about winner chances)

Is Tony the clear favorite to win this? Like does anyone else even have a decent shot?

[reece(:]

I'm ****ing screaming at the spy nest next episode

[Macie Lightfoot]

I still wouldn't say that the storylines have been all that easy to follow because there are still so many plotholes and ideas that get randomly brought up and then randomly pushed aside again. Like, Jeremy and Michele never really had an alliance scene on Sele but they're apparently super tight? And then they're not at the beginning of the merge and now they are again? And somehow Nick and Michele are on different sides now without anything being explained? And Kim randomly has EVERYONE in her back pocket without any explanation or evidence?

The show just can't accurately tell a story as soon as the merge hits because they are tied down with too many necessary segments they have to show. I swear the Extortion Advantage took up 10 minutes between an extended scene of Natalie and Parvati finding it, Tony finding the scroll in his bag, and then having the same conversation with three different people about how he needs a Fire Token from them, and it ultimately ended up being entirely pointless? Like, you could just summarize it in one breath as "Tony lost his vote but then he got it back" but they had to go ahead and waste nearly 25% of the episode on it. That's just dead airtime and doesn't actually tell you anything about what's going on with actual gameplay and the other eight people still in the game. And that doesn't even get into the complete lopsidedness of the edit, where Tony gets eighteen confessionals and Sophie gets one. Editing the entire cast sans Tony as supporting characters tonight is particularly insulting on an all winners season, but that's a different post.

I'm not gonna put edgic discussion in spoilers because it wasn't a spoiler back in Kaoh Rong and it's still not a spoiler now, but yes, Tony is absolutely winning and they made it clear tonight with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. The whole point of tonight's episode was to showcase everything from Tony's perspective, back him up at every instance, and watch him ultimately get his intended target out so now the audience can feel that his inevitable win is Deserved.

[JerseyWins]

I do notice how they put alliances together / separated / reunited out of nowhere so often on this season which is definitely a major editing flaw. Still mostly entertaining and mostly reasonable enough to follow the plot though. I think this season could've benefited from 90 minute episodes, damnit CBS :fist:

[Captain.Remy]

It's safe to say that Tony was the star of the episode, if not the season so far. He went from voting with an alliance, finding a hidden immunity in the dark, winning second immunity in a row to control the vote and vote the girl with an idol in her pocket.

Though however the editing is again somehow making no sense. Did I miss the moment Tony stopped feeling aligned with his alliance so he decided to save Jeremy? That came out of nowhere (not that I'm mad at it, but it's missing a puzzle piece)

I'm glad we got to see a little bit of Parvati, I really miss her on the show.
However, I agree with Macie Lightfoot, the show is way too focused on Advantages and Fire Tokens. We just wanna see survivor basics and camp life sometimes.
AND MAKE THE EPISODES GOD DAMN LONGER FFS!

[Captain.Remy]

By the way, 8 of them are left and three episodes to go.

We'll have a Two-Hour episode before the finale so I guess that's when somebody is coming back from EoE, therefore probably meaning a double elimination, leaving 5 of them for the finale (episode 14) on May 13th.

[Macie Lightfoot]

It’s gonna be 8 to 7 next week, 7 to 5 in the double, and then the Edge returnee will make it a six person finale because those always work out so well :)

[Captain.Remy]

It’s gonna be 8 to 7 next week, 7 to 5 in the double, and then the Edge returnee will make it a six person finale because those always work out so well :)

I hope they at least bring back the person from EoE before the double elimination. If they keep them just for the final episode then it will be so rubbish!:shrug:

[Captain.Remy]

and lol @ the spy shack in the tree :joker:
Kim will try to make a move but I think it will backfire, it's too obvious from the preview that Tony is in danger, and preview are usually not that reliable. Well, I hope he's not voted off next week.

[caprimint]

- Sarah: "I'm smart, funny and pretty" lol ok :umm2:
- Tony: "My pants would sell faster than your skirt" :joker:
- YAAAAS @ Tony getting those fire tokens then winning immunity :clap1:

Really great episode and enjoyed The Tony Show. The way he pulled off the Sophie blindside as well... amazing :clap1: Probably the best episode since Adam's Show

[caprimint]

That is a ****ing LEGENDARY boot/move and one of the best episodes I've seen in a long time! :clap1:
:clap1:

Last episode is the only one I agree where the editing was so sloppy that it basically wasn't even enjoyable (hard to follow anything at all). But the other episodes have still been chaotic and fun in a way where you can still follow the story. Tonight's episode in particular was incredible but I may be biased about the large amount of Tony content :fan:

I agree with this, even the whispering episode before was still pretty entertaining. Last week was ****, but this episode made up for it :dance:

[Macie Lightfoot]

- Sarah: "I'm smart, funny and pretty" lol ok :umm2:

if you took that seriously........ girl...

[caprimint]

I mean she sounded pretty serious when she said it?

Americans can't do sarcasm like British can though so who knows

[Calderyon]

Yeah, Tony is winning this season. That edit was too heavy and clear.

Might be too clear, but...

[Captain.Remy]

I think Sarah meant it seriously though :joker:

[JerseyWins]

I think Sarah was kidding in that segment. She has veeeeeeery dry humor & sarcasm :joker:

[Captain.Remy]

Yeah, Tony is winning this season. That edit was too heavy and clear.

Might be too clear, but...

I agree too, because the producers might want to put him forward with the "winner" edit due to all the messiness of the edit and confusion in the alliances. I still suspect it's too obvious and we'll get a winner which plot hasn't been fully shown.

Last week it was all about Kim, this week about Tony. I hope it means they will go far, I would love a top 3 with them and Michele tbh (haven't read any spoilers, it's wishful thinking at this stage)

I hate having 3 people for the final vote, I always love a good head to head battle. But with 6 people in the finale, I can't see a top 2 happening :bawling:

[caprimint]

Nick is coming for this win I'm telling y'all

[JerseyWins]

Nick is coming for this win I'm telling y'all
:joker: noooooo that would be a complete shock (one I'd find funny but don't see happening). He has a clown edit :hehe: The "creeper" stuff and invisible periods and people randomly ****ting on him :skull:

[Captain.Remy]

A Nick win would be such an anticlimax. Pretty much fits the "winner coming out of nowhere" thing. Unless he does wonders in the last 3 episodes coming up, but I don't see it happening.
That being said, it's kind of true they target him from time to time randomly. Again, the edit has something to do with it I believe.

[Joe.]

I can see a Ben win sadly, would be a terrible end to a gripping season.

I used to always read Macie’s posts in entirety on Survivor posts, now not so much. Nothing but negative opinions and silly posts that seem to go on and on. Agree with Jersey completely.

[caprimint]

I can see a Ben win sadly, would be a terrible end to a gripping season.

I used to always read Macie’s posts in entirety on Survivor posts, now not so much. Nothing but negative opinions and silly posts that seem to go on and on. Agree with Jersey completely.
Omg :joker:

For once I agree with you!!!!

[Macie Lightfoot]

I can see a Ben win sadly, would be a terrible end to a gripping season.

I used to always read Macie’s posts in entirety on Survivor posts, now not so much. Nothing but negative opinions and silly posts that seem to go on and on. Agree with Jersey completely.

That's fine :shrug: I knew coming in that a large portion of the fanbase would cling onto this season no matter what just because the premise of an all winner's season sounds epic on paper, but Survivor hasn't really been able to string together a merge portion that didn't have major flaws since Kaoh Rong and I'm not going to disregard it just because we're watching winners play again. In a season where everyone has objectively earned the right to receiving airtime (if such a thing even exists), I think it's kind of a slap in the face to give anyone 18 confessionals. Jeff Probst gave a bull**** interview answer about how he actually LOVES Sophie and she's one of his favorite winners, which we already knew was a complete load of ****, but she only got one confessional in her boot episode? It's contradictory to the entire premise of the season.

And again, I don't really think the "we just need longer episodes" argument holds because A) production doesn't control episode length, and B) we did not have people clamoring about how we need 90 minute episodes for the vast majority of the franchise's existence. If the show suddenly can't tell a story effectively within a one hour time slot because they've packed as many twists in as humanly possible, that is absolutely a reflection on the choices that the producers have made and not a reflection on how much time the network wants to give to Survivor.

[Joe.]

That's fine :shrug: I knew coming in that a large portion of the fanbase would cling onto this season no matter what just because the premise of an all winner's season sounds epic on paper, but Survivor hasn't really been able to string together a merge portion that didn't have major flaws since Kaoh Rong and I'm not going to disregard it just because we're watching winners play again. In a season where everyone has objectively earned the right to receiving airtime (if such a thing even exists), I think it's kind of a slap in the face to give anyone 18 confessionals. Jeff Probst gave a bull**** interview answer about how he actually LOVES Sophie and she's one of his favorite winners, which we already knew was a complete load of ****, but she only got one confessional in her boot episode? It's contradictory to the entire premise of the season.

And again, I don't really think the "we just need longer episodes" argument holds because A) production doesn't control episode length, and B) we did not have people clamoring about how we need 90 minute episodes for the vast majority of the franchise's existence. If the show suddenly can't tell a story effectively within a one hour time slot because they've packed as many twists in as humanly possible, that is absolutely a reflection on the choices that the producers have made and not a reflection on how much time the network wants to give to Survivor.

Didn’t read this. Hallelu.

[Macie Lightfoot]

But still responded anyway :love: thanks for joining my fan club!

[MB.]

Personally I don't think anyone who considers Australian Survivor All Stars to be an "amazing season" is a particularly reliable judge of quality

[Headie]

I used to always read Macie’s posts in entirety on Survivor posts, now not so much. Nothing but negative opinions and silly posts that seem to go on and on. Agree with Jersey completely.

Ok but like... who asked???

https://media1.giphy.com/media/4oReDWVeq1hDO/source.gif

[caprimint]

Hayden still not learned how forums work after 7 years

:sad:

[Captain.Remy]

And again, I don't really think the "we just need longer episodes" argument holds because A) production doesn't control episode length, and B) we did not have people clamoring about how we need 90 minute episodes for the vast majority of the franchise's existence. If the show suddenly can't tell a story effectively within a one hour time slot because they've packed as many twists in as humanly possible, that is absolutely a reflection on the choices that the producers have made and not a reflection on how much time the network wants to give to Survivor.

And why not both? Again, some twists don't make sense but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be any, but make them wiser. And we still would need that extra airtime to get to know the people, camp life, how they're miserable out there, reward challenges that are unaired etc A full 45 minutes of content in the end is just not enough in his era of the show.

Personally I have been asking for longer episode since earlier seasons, like way back to Pearl Islands at least. In France it's 2 hours and 30 minutes long every Friday night for almost 4 months, it's way too long, but at least we get to know them, how alliances are formed etc

[Captain.Remy]

Hayden still not learned how forums work after 7 years

:sad:

This whole thing went from 0 to 100 real quick :joker:
From discussing potential winners to a Rihanna GIF I'm done :skull:

[Calderyon]

This list could be completely wrong:

Ben - Most likely to go next
Denise
Kim
Jeremy
Nick
Sarah
Michele
Tony - Least likely to go next

[Jigs]

If the show suddenly can't tell a story effectively within a one hour time slot because they've packed as many twists in as humanly possible, that is absolutely a reflection on the choices that the producers have made and not a reflection on how much time the network wants to give to Survivor.

Don't usually agree with your posts but whew this tea!

I think the negativity towards this season is entirely justified. Winners At War was hailed as a celebration marking the show's 40th season yet they've somehow managed to produce something that goes against everything most fans love about the franchise. Gameplay and storytelling have fallen at the wayside due to the overexposure of pointless twists that reduce the game from an experiment of strategy and social dynamics to a random generation of boots that lack any proper explanation at all.

What highlights some of the earlier seasons as being iconic is not the sentimental feeling of them simply being "old" seasons; rather, iconic castaways were decided based on the role they played within the season's storytelling. Since Cambodia there has been too much emphasis on artifically crafting character arcs as opposed to letting them develop organically. Legacy advantages and HIIs round every corner are squandering the ability for castaways to carve authentic trajectories based on their ability to outwit and outplay. It says a lot that they now have to remind us which advantages are held by each player (and how long they are valid, considering we now get HIIs good for only X number of tribals) alongside their name and original season in confessionals. Nowadays, I feel like all we are seeing is a glorified treasure hunt play out infront of our eyes. Personally, I can't get behind the castaways in the same way that I used to and until these issues are corrected I feel that Survivor will continue to diminish in exactly how fun it is to watch.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yeah, the only reason we care about these players is because they're familiar faces, not because of any character development that has happened within this season. Rather than trying to tell an overarching story over the course of multiple episodes, the show has become so preoccupied with CHAOS and BLINDSIDES and GAMEPLAY that it's like they edit each episode in a vacuum and just try to create suspense towards that week's vote and then none of the episodes are actually connected to one another.

And I actually like this cast more than I thought I would, both as a whole and just the players remaining, but I don't really have anything to say about most of them because none of them were really given any standalone character moments or traits or anything this season. It just seems like lazy storytelling that they can only get away with because we are familiar with these faces. I wouldn't even be able to write up a synopsis of this season because the very few storylines that existed, like the Poker Alliance and Wendell and Michele's relationship, ended without any real resolution or tangible ending. What is Jeremy's story? What is Kim's? What has Denise's been ever since she played her Idol? What is Ben's? Honestly, what even are Sarah's and Tony's? Hell, I forgot Nick even existed and had to come up with his name by process of elimination.

The only new things I feel like I learned about the winners this season is that Wendell is a dick and Adam is a grating person to live with, and even that point about Adam was shown in MvGX. It was just more apparent now because he's not winning so they didn't need to sanitize his edit.

[JerseyWins]

Tbf I’m mooostly invested in just Tony this season but I don’t even care about the editing because Tony is stealing the show every week with his content :dazzler:

[Captain.Remy]

And the lack of camp life and the struggle on an island is disrespectful. Last week we saw TREE MAIL which we haven't seen in like...10 years?
And I'm pretty sure production feeds them, they really don't look that miserable or skinny. For real in France they look awful towards the end.

We really need a "back to basics" season. No crazy stuff, they can keep the hidden immunity idols at least, but that's it.

[Captain.Remy]

So we'll get a three-hour season finale, and Jeff will also virtually connect with all 20 players to revisit highlights of the season during the finale event.
We really are going to have a Zoom crowning :skull:
But at least we'll get a two-hour penultimate episode and a three-hour finale. I'm hooked.

At least in France they cut some episodes in half (stopping one episode at the reward challenge and the other episode at the end of the tribal council) so we can still have a live finale at the end of May.

[JerseyWins]

We’ve got the Tony show starting again already this episode :joker:

Also getting **** on by a bird - good luck. TONY WON

[Macie Lightfoot]

Tony coming back from Tribal Council and being baffled that people aren't shaking hands and saying good games and are actually upset at being blindsided is just a culmination of everything wrong this show and why I can never get fully behind him. People are allowed to have feelings and quite frankly it's much better TV! Sarah channeling her inner Toni Tebbutt was everything I hoped it would be :love:

Also, people need to let Ben IN he's been so good this season when he can be his full MORN self and not be sanitized with a winning edit. "Can we talk?" "No." "Why not?" "Cause I said no." like wow :love:

[MB.]

I hope Michele Fitzgerald kills a man this episode

[Jack_]

It’s such a shame how this season progressed tbh, I’d much rather watch the Edge (+Tony) than everyone left in the game

[JerseyWins]

Ugh wish Tony found the other idol instead... but Ben finding it isn’t bad

Ben’s a clown trying to hide it in clear sight tho lmaooo

[JerseyWins]

Tony on an IMMUNITY RAMPAGE NOW! :dance:

[Macie Lightfoot]

"We've made this Challenge even harder" is just code for "we're too lazy to film for more than an hour so we want you guys to get eliminated quickly" :rolleyes:

Jeff is also annoying as hell, that wasn't remotely close to being a CRAZY FINISH like he said.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Also, randomly having two Immunities at F8 is suspicious but I'll leave it at that.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I was just thinking about how this episode was actually a refreshing change of pace with a more balanced edit compared to the last few weeks.

And then they just started the whispering :)

[Macie Lightfoot]

This is actually pathetic and Jeffrey needs to learn how to take control of his own Tribal Councils. Someone should tweet him the clip of him shutting Kathy the **** down when she tried to do this **** in Marquesas.

Props to Denise for shutting Jeremy the **** down?

[Jack_]

Are we going to have a normal tribal this season?

It’s also pretty absurd to have a jury sat there ready to hear about tribe dynamics through Jeff’s questions and instead watch a load of whispering, what are they learning???

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yeah that was just a pathetic ending, there used to be craft required to answer TC questions but now you can literally just ignore Jeff and whisper to everyone else. They should honestly just scrap the whole format at this rate and just have Jeff show up at camp because they don't treat Tribal Council any differently.

Sad that it ended in a Kim boot BUT she definitely proved her worth as one of the best winners ever from a gameplay perspective.

[JerseyWins]

That. Was. EPIC.

This season is getting soooo good :clap1:

[Captain.Remy]

A LOT happened this episode. For once we actually got a balanced edit to see a little more into the dynamics, only to end up with whispers again :rolleyes:

First of all, who tf steps down for food at this stage of the game? Bro, Kim wanted Tony out badly yet she steps down after 15 minutes for peanut butter.
I love Kim, she proved again that she is a great player but just like Sandra, she falls short when the timing was just right.
What got her voted off too, was that she talked about that plan before the challenge and way too loudly. She'll be missed, I rooted for her!

Nevertheless that was great for Tony because he really is the boss out there.
And Jeff trying to sell this crazy challenge finish was a reach. The same challenge happened in Micronesia and the ending was much better.

The tribal council was a whole mess again, which is somehow intense yet disappointing. If I were Jeff, I would have told them to shut up, cancel all immunities/advantages/idols and vote. Plain simple. This whispering thing has to stop at some point.

Ben is irritating the hell out of me but as of now I think he could win if he gets to final 3.
I like Michelle, but wtf was she doing again. She's getting all over the place.
Jeremy was messy this whole episode, but I live for that duo with Tony :joker:

Anyway, Tony is the boss and really if he doesn't win, it will be the biggest injustice in Survivor history. 3 immunities in a row, being a fun lad to watch, an overall solid player, making moves and a great personality. I feel the robbery coming in which we'll see Nick crowned in a Zoom video call.

[Captain.Remy]

"Can we talk?" "No." "Why not?" "Cause I said no." like wow :love:

If anything that made him look childish? Like when you talk to your girlfriend and she keeps saying "nothing's wrong" yet you know something IS wrong.
Or a child that is sulking in a corner.:shrug:

[starry]

No idea why Tony turned on Ben, didn't seem necessary at all. The edit seems to adore Jeremy so I guess he lasts for quite a bit more. The extinction task was basically just the logs challenge redone. And once Nick dropped out the immunity challenge it was over, so he shouldn't really have got any of the 'cookies'.

[caprimint]

- The way Sarah is going off at Tony, soooooo annoying every time she speaks
- Tony's spy nest :love:
- Seems obvious to me that Natalie is gonna be returning from EOE now, but lmao @ Adam in the coconut challenge :joker:
- Ben trying to hide the idol from Tony when he's stood right next to him :skull: Kinda stan Ben's whole messiness though
- Tony winning his 3rd immunity, legend :clap1:

Another really great/enjoyable episode last night, loving another Tony Show :clap1: The way he runs the show/votes every single week >>>
Deffo solidified himself being in my top 3 of all time after this episode

About time they got Kim out, SO happy with that result. And I'm stanning the Tony/Jeremy alliance too :love:

[caprimint]

We’ve got the Tony show starting again already this episode :joker:

Also getting **** on by a bird - good luck. TONY WON
:joker:


Also, people need to let Ben IN he's been so good this season when he can be his full MORN self and not be sanitized with a winning edit. "Can we talk?" "No." "Why not?" "Cause I said no." like wow :love:
Lol this bit was one of my fave parts of this episode

That. Was. EPIC.

This season is getting soooo good :clap1:
Agree, Tony is killin it :clap1:

[NICKP]

Tony Vlachos is a straight up beast!

[Captain.Remy]

Come to think of it, Tony is such a giant threat right now and it's scary.

I mean, he still needs to survive 4 tribal councils and 1 fire making challenge before the final tribal council. And so if any of the remaining players and the returnee have any sense, they wouldn't let him go to the end.
As of now, he needs some holy luck and strong gameplay to make it work.

Also, I still don't get why Michelle gave her advantage to Jeremy and still voted for him? She made some strange moves (maybe due to the edit) and somehow the edit seems positive to her. So either she will be a final 3 goat or she makes a huge move in the next 2 episodes (take Tony out for example?) to justify her win.

[JerseyWins]

Yeah I feel like it’s gonna be toooough for Tony to get there but the edit hasn’t even built anyone else left to take him down & win the game. This’ll be an interesting last 2 weeks :worry:

And to put it as Rob said: “Tony’s a boss, dude” :dance:

[JerseyWins]

Nick’s the only one left who’s really started mentioning it in confessional but damn his edit is so goofy & bad to somehow win... I would think :joker:

[reece(:]

Tony played it well up until the vote, he shouldn't have revealed his idol to the whole tribe...

The spy nest had me screaming, hope we see it in action next episode.

[Captain.Remy]

Yeah I feel like it’s gonna be toooough for Tony to get there but the edit hasn’t even built anyone else left to take him down & win the game. This’ll be an interesting last 2 weeks :worry:

And to put it as Rob said: “Tony’s a boss, dude” :dance:

I feel like the blindside will come from Sarah. Gut feeling possibly. She has no interest of having him in final 3 and he annoyed her.
But, well, none of them have any interesting having him in final 3.
Rob showed respect to him, I like that, I would loved to see them going head to head in this season.

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't really see Tony or Sarah turning on each other since they probably have an airtight pregame alliance given their history. It's kinda why I thought it was bull**** that they were put on the same tribe at the start. They really should've kept them on separate tribes as well as Jeremy and Natalie.

[Captain.Remy]

I don't really see Tony or Sarah turning on each other since they probably have an airtight pregame alliance given their history. It's kinda why I thought it was bull**** that they were put on the same tribe at the start. They really should've kept them on separate tribes as well as Jeremy and Natalie.

I feel like Sarah was ready to get rid of Tony, but the Sophie blindside basically eliminated all her leverage and forced her to go back to him. They still made a great team this episode.
Or the producers try to make us believe they will have some kind of beef in the future. I don't know, it looks sketchy to me. Sarah is hungry for that title and having Tony around damages her more than the way around. She might see that she has zero chance if she's sitting with him in final 3.

[Calderyon]

Yeah that was just a pathetic ending, there used to be craft required to answer TC questions but now you can literally just ignore Jeff and whisper to everyone else. They should honestly just scrap the whole format at this rate and just have Jeff show up at camp because they don't treat Tribal Council any differently.

Sad that it ended in a Kim boot BUT she definitely proved her worth as one of the best winners ever from a gameplay perspective.

That. Was. EPIC.

This season is getting soooo good :clap1:

Hmm.

[caprimint]

Nick’s the only one left who’s really started mentioning it in confessional but damn his edit is so goofy & bad to somehow win... I would think :joker:
:fan:

Y'all will see

[Macie Lightfoot]

What I see is that Nick has absolutely no chance of winning.

[JerseyWins]

I don't really see Tony or Sarah turning on each other since they probably have an airtight pregame alliance given their history. It's kinda why I thought it was bull**** that they were put on the same tribe at the start. They really should've kept them on separate tribes as well as Jeremy and Natalie.
I don’t see anything wrong with that. We also see how it went poorly for Jeremy & Natalie so it can go either way.

There’s also pre-game connections from everyone :idc:

[Calderyon]

Episode 12 tribal council voting:

Jeremy: Kim
Tony: Kim
Ben: Kim
Denise: Jeremy
Sarah: Kim
Michele: Jeremy
Nick: Kim
Kim: Jeremy

Kim 5 votes, Jeremy 3 votes -> Kim out

[JerseyWins]

I just can’t believe Tony is still in let alone controlling the game like this. Never expected anything like this when I found out about the season & cast. Thought he’d basically flop again like in GC :joker:

[caprimint]

Nick coming to the good side with his vote :clap1: THIS is why he's gonna win!

[Captain.Remy]

I just can’t believe Tony is still in let alone controlling the game like this. Never expected anything like this when I found out about the season & cast. Thought he’d basically flop again like in GC :joker:

I find it so insane too because they're all winners and you would think the others would prevent this. If Rob and Parvati were still in the running, they would not tolerate that lmao
But they're not here, and I'm glad we have Tony running the show and delivering solid episodes. The jury better not be bitter in the end.

[Calderyon]

Tyson, Rob, Natalie or Parvati is my prediction of returnee.

[Calderyon]

This list could be completely wrong:

Denise - Most likely to go next
Jeremy
Nick
Ben
Sarah
Michele
Tony - Least likely to go next

[caprimint]

Why is the show on till 10pm tonight? :suspect:

[Calderyon]

Why is the show on till 10pm tonight? :suspect:

Two hour episode meaning two vote off's tonight.

[caprimint]

Two hour episode meaning two vote off's tonight.
Hmmm I'll guess it'll be Michele and Ben

[Calderyon]

Hmmm I'll guess it'll be Michele and Ben

Based on the edit, I do not see Michele leaving tonight. Ben has an idol, but he might not use it.

[caprimint]

I feel like most eliminations are really hard to call, a lot are unexpected and the target changes almost every episode? Hoping somehow Tony keeps managing to save Jeremy :fc: Because if not I could definitely see him leaving too

[Captain.Remy]

I'm so nervous about tonight guys because I don't see Tony winning a 4th immunity in a row and people now know he has an idol so they will possibly try to blindside him.
I restrain myself so hard from reading spoilers just to calm me down, and I've managed not to so far.

I hope they take out Nick and Denise tonight without Tony being too involved in both eliminations. He has to think about jury votes and not upset too many people around camp.

[caprimint]

If he got 3 immunity wins, he can do 4 :dazzler:

He's UNSTOPPABLE!

[Captain.Remy]

Fingers crossed he does it AGAIN!! Come on through Tony!

[Macie Lightfoot]

He has to think about jury votes and not upset too many people around camp.

Eh, upsetting people don't matter anymore now that the game is so meta and the players are conditioned to not have emotions. Not to mention the fact that the entire format of FTC now is used for the show to elevate people like Tony and push them as winners. He's going to be fine.

[Calderyon]

Based on the edit, Tony will very likely reach the final episode and either go just before the final 3 or win the whole thing. More likely the latter.

[Captain.Remy]

Eh, upsetting people don't matter anymore now that the game is so meta and the players are conditioned to not have emotions. Not to mention the fact that the entire format of FTC now is used for the show to elevate people like Tony and push them as winners. He's going to be fine.

In the end, and especially with All Stars seasons, you never how the jury is always going to turn out to be. I feel like this year they will respect game moves over their emotions, but you never know. Because we don't see everything happening at camp due to an heinous editing often, it's hard to tell sometimes. Let's hope he gets to FTC and wins the last challenge. If he's final 3 I would like to hope he will be fine.

[Calderyon]

If a returnee reached the final 3, they would most likely win.

[Captain.Remy]

If a returnee reached the final 3, they would most likely win.

Not again!:bawling::bawling: Not in this season at least.

[armand.kay]

If a returnee reached the final 3, they would most likely win.

Natalie is coming indeed

[MB.]

If a returnee reached the final 3, they would most likely win.

All aboard the good ship USS Danni Boatwright!

[caprimint]

If a returnee reached the final 3, they would most likely win.
Adam? :amazed:

[Captain.Remy]

All aboard the good ship USS Danni Boatwright!

The random winner we didn't know we needed during this time :joker: