The New Conservative Prime Minister is Boris Johnson 23/7

[Liam-]

Boris filling the swamp? I am shocked

[Alf]

Is Jacob the Chancellor of the exchequer yet?

[Alf]

Sajid Javid is the New Chancellor

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAQfVUaXYAAxWPF?format=jpg&name=smallPoor Jacob

[arista]

Stephen Barclay Remains Brexit Secretary

[reece(:]

Expecting Rudd out too <\3

[chuff me dizzy]

Where's a top job for my fav Jacob Rees-Mogg ?

[reece(:]

Where's a top job for my fav Jacob Rees-Mogg ?

Any hard ERGers in cabinet would cause chaos in the tory party with the remain MPs feeling pushed out, even Boris is smart enough not to do that.

[arista]

[19:12
Michael Gove becomes chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster]



Ben Wallace is now the Defence Secretary
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[joeysteele]

Death penalty advocator and lady who says we should "starve the irish" Priti Patel is new Home Sec.

This tells me more about the make up of his government.

This woman had to go as a Minister before.
Bringing this hard liner back shows extremely bad judgement.

Even May accepted this woman had to go before.
She's awful.

[reece(:]

This tells me more about the make up of his government.

This woman had to go as a Minister before.
Bringing this hard liner back shows extremely bad judgement.

Even May accepted this woman had to go before.
She's awful.

Yes, those secret Israel meetings aren't forgotten. Tragic!

[arista]

Liz Truss is Now International Trade Secretary

[reece(:]

Oh wow maybe Boris is that stupid to isolate his remain tories

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[joeysteele]

Yes, those secret Israel meetings aren't forgotten. Tragic!

I'm interested who he puts in to work and pensions.

Also whether he gives Esther McVey a job.
That would speak volumes.

[Twosugars]

As expected, the ****show has started :laugh:

[reece(:]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Boris getting the job done. He means business. BRAVO

[arista]

Matt Hancock will stay on as Health Secretary,
Amber Rudd remains Work and Pensions Secretary


Alok Sharma to take over as international development secretary

Theresa Villers is the Environment Secretary

Robert Buckland Justice Secretary
Nicky Morgan Culture Secretary

Andrea Leadsom Business Secretary

Grant Shapps Transport Secretary


Gavin Williamson is the Education Secretary

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think the country should get behind Boris now

[joeysteele]

Getting worse by the minute.

The awful Leadsom still around.

This is a hard-line Cabinet for sure.
Near the last thing the Country needs.

[joeysteele]

I'm expecting more now than before some more defections.
Johnson can't afford to have any.

[Liam-]

Getting worse by the minute.

The awful Leadsom still around.

This is a hard-line Cabinet for sure.
Near the last thing the Country needs.

It’ll only get worse, wait until he gives Walter Reece-Mogg a job

[joeysteele]

It’ll only get worse, wait until he gives Walter Reece-Mogg a job

Yes, it's nowhere near an inclusive Cabinet at all.
All rewarding his harder line supporters it seems.

It will please the majority of Conservative party members, and the more hardline Conservative voters.

Not hopefully though the voters he needs from Labour or Lib Dems.

[Twosugars]

Yes, it's nowhere near an inclusive Cabinet at all.
All rewarding his harder line supporters it seems.

It will please the majority of Conservative party members, and the more hardline Conservative voters.

Not hopefully though the voters he needs from Labour or Lib Dems.

He is rewarding his backers, excluding everyone else.

Won't end well.

[joeysteele]

He is rewarding his backers, excluding everyone else.

Won't end well.

I agree.
This doesn't appear a Cabinet that will unite the Conservative party never mind the voters.

One saving grace, he hasn't so far included the awful Esther McVey.

I think it's a mistake he hasn't secured Hunt in the Cabinet.
There's now a strong group of inwardly dissatisfied ex Cabinet Ministers on his backbenches.

If he loses Brecon and the MP now charged with sexual offences.
He may regret making this opportunity he has to just run a more extreme hard-line ship.

[Beso]

He has picked the perfect minds and obedient subservants he needs to get us out by the date he said..I will judge him after that date..

[Twosugars]

I agree.
This doesn't appear a Cabinet that will unite the Conservative party never mind the voters.

One saving grace, he hasn't so far included the awful Esther McVey.

I think it's a mistake he hasn't secured Hunt in the Cabinet.
There's now a strong group of inwardly dissatisfied ex Cabinet Ministers on his backbenches.

If he loses Brecon and the MP now charged with sexual offences.
He may regret making this opportunity he has to just run a more extreme hard-line ship.

Very true.
So far my biggest objection is Patel

[bots]

the tories will give him the benefit of the doubt while a deal is on the table. The moment he goes down a no deal path, it will be over.

[joeysteele]

the tories will give him the benefit of the doubt while a deal is on the table. The moment he goes down a no deal path, it will be over.

I know you don't care for Rory Stewart bitontheslide, however he's just been on Peston.

He said Johnson has put in his Cabinet, many of those who rebelled and voted against Theresa May.
Then he and they will now be demanding loyalty to Johnson and the Cabinet, on a no deal scenario.

It doesn't look good for Conservative unity.

[Kizzy]

Riff raff Mogg has a job the creepy bast ... the rocky horror show is complete :/

[arista]

[Huge congratulations to Jacob ReesMogg
who has been appointed Leader of the Commons and will attend Cabinet. Boris means business - let's hope he can deliver!]

[Liam-]

With Mogg, Gavin Williamson and Johnson all in power now, it won’t be long before we see them trying to roll back lgbt rights, welcome back to the dark ages folks

[arista]

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[Livia]

With Mogg, Gavin Williamson and Johnson all in power now, it won’t be long before we see them trying to roll back lgbt rights, welcome back to the dark ages folks

You're a glass half empty kind of guy, aren't you Liam.

[arista]

Jo Johnson Business minister

Kwasi Kwarteng Business Minister

Grant Shapps is the new transport secretary

Esther McVey appointed housing minister - and will attend cabinet

James Cleverly made Conservative Party chair and minister without portfolio

Rishi Sunak made chief secretary to the Treasury

Julian Smith Secretary of State for Northern Ireland

Alister Jack appointed Scottish secretary

Alok Sharma to take over as international development secretary

Robert Jenrick Housing Secretary

Oliver Dowden Cabinet Office Minister

Amber Rudd remains work and pensions secretary

Alun Cairns remains Welsh secretary

Baroness Evans keeps job as Leader of the House of Lords

Geoffrey Cox remains as attorney general

[Twosugars]

Riff raff Mogg has a job the creepy bast ... the rocky horror show is complete :/

:laugh:

[Liam-]

You're a glass half empty kind of guy, aren't you Liam.

When the newly ‘elected’ PM appoints a bunch of homophobes from the 1820’s to his cabinet, yes I am, it doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence that my kind are going to be treated well for however long this ****show lasts.

[arista]

Last day of Parliament Tomorrow

Then its Recess until Tuesday Sept 3rd.

The New PM Boris Johnson Is Not taking a Holiday , though/

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Esther McVey given a job too.

This is likely to the Country, Parliament as a whole and even within a good number of the Conservative parliamentary party too.
To be seen as only the most divisive possible.

All he has done is bring together some of the most hard liners as to views on brexit.

That will probably alienate the more open of brexit voters and all who voted remain.

It really is sickening to see the government surviving too thanks to the still mostly sectarian bigoted DUP.

Whatever his words on wanting to govern for the whole of the UK.
His Cabinet says the direct opposite.

With extreme appointments near across the board.

This is an awful Cabinet overall.
Way too extreme and hard line.
Priti Patel as Home secretary, really just about the last person who should be so.

[joeysteele]

With Mogg, Gavin Williamson and Johnson all in power now, it won’t be long before we see them trying to roll back lgbt rights, welcome back to the dark ages folks

He has delivered a strong message of extremes and intolerance in these Cabinet appointments for sure Liam.

Thankfully his majority will likely be eroded soon.
Of course there's still the dinosaur DUP lining up as ever to help him.

I think your concerns will be shared by millions across the Country.
With some of the most archaic held views now around the Cabinet table.
Courtesy of Johnson.

[Kazanne]

Well of course he will put together the people who want to leave the EU,surely that makes sense ,when the country has voted for it ,lets not forget that ,it would be madness to keep those who oppose it all the time ,at that rate we wont get anywhere.

[Alf]

Jacob got, leader of The House of Commons

[joeysteele]

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As was pointed out on Peston last night.
Particularly Rory Stewart.
Who I think actually will get strong support from Conservative MPs on the backbenches against his hard line brexit stance.

A lot of the people now in his Cabinet stopped the leaving of the EU, voting against May's agreement.

You cannot claim to be going to govern for the whole Nation.
Then select a near fully one sided Cabinet on just one issue.

The views of some of the people He's judged to be worthy of being in Cabinet, hold some of the most archaic and divisive views possible.

His Cabinet represents almost wholly only one side of even just the brexit debate.
That will never likely unite but rather fuel the divisions existing even more.

[bots]

Well of course he will put together the people who want to leave the EU,surely that makes sense ,when the country has voted for it ,lets not forget that ,it would be madness to keep those who oppose it all the time ,at that rate we wont get anywhere.

i have no problem with them being brexit supporting, but these folks are all no deal fanatics. That's an issue to me and to many in the country and parliament. If they get a deal agreed and through parliament, good stuff, but logic says we are heading straight for no deal, and that is divisive and the government will be brought down if that is the route they take. I blame labour and many conservatives for us being in this position, because they could have voted for May's deal and the problem would already have been solved, but they have all been too busy playing politics

[chuff me dizzy]

[Huge congratulations to Jacob ReesMogg
who has been appointed Leader of the Commons and will attend Cabinet. Boris means business - let's hope he can deliver!]

:clap1::worship:

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're a glass half empty kind of guy, aren't you Liam.

Boris yesterday outed “the doubters, the doomsters, the gloomsters”

Boris speaks of possibility and if you are ever to make progress, to go forward and achieve success in life you need to be optimistic. Ronald Reagan had that in spades and was roundly attacked by the same type of people having a go today on twitter and the rest yet he transformed the US economy...

[joeysteele]

i have no problem with them being brexit supporting, but these folks are all no deal fanatics. That's an issue to me and to many in the country and parliament. If they get a deal agreed and through parliament, good stuff, but logic says we are heading straight for no deal, and that is divisive and the government will be brought down if that is the route they take. I blame labour and many conservatives for us being in this position, because they could have voted for May's deal and the problem would already have been solved, but they have all been too busy playing politics



The Labour party is the'opposition', the title says it all.
However had she agreed to even just a permanent customs union .
More Labour MPs would have supported.

She was defeated because 30+ of her own party voted against her agreement.
A lot of whom who are now unbelievably Cabinet Ministers.

LibDems, SNP, Plaid Cynru, the Green MP, the DUP, and most of the then Independent group voted against her agreement too.
Not just Labour.

She should have compromised more.
Rather than just try to woo her own hardliners who in my view, not only wanted the hardest brexit possible but wanted her gone too.

Oppositions aren't there to save governments, oppositions are there to hopefully replace them.
A customs union of a permanent nature would have satisfied most who voted for her agreement, would have been welcomed by the EU.
Labour could and should have supported that.
Had she gone that route rather than hoping her own hardliners may relent in time.

[Twosugars]

He sacked a popular Scottish secretary despite requests by Davidson to keep him.

Nicola asked him for the second independence referendum

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/07/dutch-sceptical-about-boris-johnson-say-he-has-a-lot-to-prove/

dutch are sceptical about boris johnson, he has a lot to prove they say


''The Volkskrant headlined its analysis ‘The success of the “dude of Downing street” will rise or fall on Brexit’. Describing the new prime minister as the ‘face of Brexit’, Johnson is following in the gigantic footsteps left by Lloyd George, Churchill and Thatcher, the paper said.''

''The Financieele Dagblad wonders how long Johnson will be able to hold on to the top job. ‘Will he break the record held by George Canning who was prime minister for just 119 days back in 1827?’ the paper asks. Betting company Betfair, the FD points out, says there is a 45% chance of new elections before the end of the year.''

''It is ‘now or never for Boris’ is the headline in the Telegraaf. There is a great deal of scepticism about such a troublemaker and it will be up to him to prove his critics wrong, as Winston Churchill did in 1940, the paper said.''

''The NRC says that Johnson’s choice of ministers will determine whether he goes for a hard or soft Brexit.

Many of his opponents in the leadership race have already said they will not serve under Johnson as prime minister and if he picks hardliners such as Iain Duncan Smith, Jacob Rees-Mogg or Priti Patel, then that will show he is taking a tough line, the paper said.''

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one lunatic congratulating another :joker: :joker:

''
Television presenter Jort Kelder told tv talkshow Jinek that Johnson is ‘absolutely untrustworthy and unreliable and out for his own interests’. But once you take that as a given, you can deal with him, Kelder said.

‘I would consider that, given his charm, he might be able to achieve something,’ Kelder said. ‘It is too easy simply to dismiss him as a clown.’''

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/07/dutch-sceptical-about-boris-johnson-say-he-has-a-lot-to-prove/

dutch are sceptical about boris johnson, he has a lot to prove they say


''The Volkskrant headlined its analysis ‘The success of the “dude of Downing street” will rise or fall on Brexit’. Describing the new prime minister as the ‘face of Brexit’, Johnson is following in the gigantic footsteps left by Lloyd George, Churchill and Thatcher, the paper said.''

''The Financieele Dagblad wonders how long Johnson will be able to hold on to the top job. ‘Will he break the record held by George Canning who was prime minister for just 119 days back in 1827?’ the paper asks. Betting company Betfair, the FD points out, says there is a 45% chance of new elections before the end of the year.''

''It is ‘now or never for Boris’ is the headline in the Telegraaf. There is a great deal of scepticism about such a troublemaker and it will be up to him to prove his critics wrong, as Winston Churchill did in 1940, the paper said.''

''The NRC says that Johnson’s choice of ministers will determine whether he goes for a hard or soft Brexit.

Many of his opponents in the leadership race have already said they will not serve under Johnson as prime minister and if he picks hardliners such as Iain Duncan Smith, Jacob Rees-Mogg or Priti Patel, then that will show he is taking a tough line, the paper said.''

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one lunatic congratulating another :joker: :joker:

''
Television presenter Jort Kelder told tv talkshow Jinek that Johnson is ‘absolutely untrustworthy and unreliable and out for his own interests’. But once you take that as a given, you can deal with him, Kelder said.

‘I would consider that, given his charm, he might be able to achieve something,’ Kelder said. ‘It is too easy simply to dismiss him as a clown.’''

Nicky please stop insulting our Prime Minister its rude and this is a UK website with UK members more or less.

Have some respect

[Twosugars]

Few choice quotes from the Guardian


a cabinet shaped in his own image. A cabinet of ****s, charlatans and shysters


Johnson waved his arms randomly in the air, as if someone was giving him electric shocks, and began babbling. “Pifflepafflewifflewaffle,” he began. Meet the new bollocks. The same as the old bollocks. It was basically all the fault of the 48% who had voted remain that the country was in the state it was in. The gloomsters and the doomsters had just got to learn to cheer up a bit and believe in some blue-remembered-hills version of Blighty. There’s nothing more guaranteed to make you depressed than to be told to be optimistic by a narcissistic fantasist. A man you wouldn’t trust to do the shopping, let alone run a government.


the Tory party have tried a hopeless leader with integrity and that hasn’t worked out. So now they have gone for someone who is equally hopeless and totally amoral.” A needy, badly damaged man for a needy, badly damaged country

[arista]

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[chuff me dizzy]

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Boris is no fool, he's had weeks knowing that he had won the PM job and chosen carefully the right people for each job

[arista]

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[Nicky91]

Nicky please stop insulting our Prime Minister its rude and this is a UK website with UK members more or less.

Have some respect

I Love Boris, the king of entertainment :clap1:

[Twosugars]

Nicky please stop insulting our Prime Minister its rude and this is a UK website with UK members more or less.

Have some respect

Respect is earned.

Leave him alone.

[Nicky91]

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[Cherie]

cabinet shaped in his own image. A cabinet of ****s, charlatans and shysters


Johnson waved his arms randomly in the air, as if someone was giving him electric shocks, and began babbling. “Pifflepafflewifflewaffle,” he began. Meet the new bollocks. The same as the old bollocks. It was basically all the fault of the 48% who had voted remain that the country was in the state it was in. The gloomsters and the doomsters had just got to learn to cheer up a bit and believe in some blue-remembered-hills version of Blighty. There’s nothing more guaranteed to make you depressed than to be told to be optimistic by a narcissistic fantasist. A man you wouldn’t trust to do the shopping, let alone run a government.


the Tory party have tried a hopeless leader with integrity and that hasn’t worked out. So now they have gone for someone who is equally hopeless and totally amoral.” A needy, badly damaged man for a needy, badly damaged country


:joker:

[arista]

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First Johnson Cabinet Day

[user104658]

Honestly what an absolute ****ing horror show :facepalm:. I can't even be bothered engaging right now. It's time to grip the sides and hope that things somehow look better in 5 years.

[Kazanne]

Respect is earned.

Leave him alone.

Well at least give him chance to earn that respect, I don't go round dissing other countries leaders , it is rude, but each to there own. Nicky can hold his own no need to babysit him

[Cherie]

:clap1::worship:

OMG Chuff he is horrible

[Crimson Dynamo]

Few choice quotes from the Guardian

or sour grapes as its more commonly known

[Nicky91]

Well at least give him chance to earn that respect, I don't go round dissing other countries leaders , it is rude, but each to there own. Nicky can hold his own no need to babysit him

yes i can


and honestly Boris is quite nice entertainment for me, and yes i give him a chance as PM

like he has a more appealing charm than Theresa, i guess having people who stand behind leaving the EU in your cabinet is a smart move, and who knows maybe Boris is able to work out a deal with EU, also handy he uses that either way we leave october 31 as a bargain measure for negotiations

[Twosugars]

or sour grapes as its more commonly known

Not at all.

Look forward to his premiership, long overdue :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

OMG Chuff he is horrible

I LOVE him !! cool, collected,highly educated and perfect for the top job ....Watch this space and give Boris and his team a chance

[arista]

Honestly what an absolute ****ing horror show :facepalm:. I can't even be bothered engaging right now. It's time to grip the sides and hope that things somehow look better in 5 years.


No TS its this Year
You Can Party as we leave the EU

[user104658]

No TS its this Year
You Can Party as we leave the EU

I mean I've accepted that things are going to be a regular cluster**** for at least 5 years but I hope they eventually improve, and I'm going to try not to think about it too much until then.

[arista]

The New PM is Live in Parliament
Corbyn is ready

[arista]

I mean I've accepted that things are going to be a regular cluster**** for at least 5 years but I hope they eventually improve, and I'm going to try not to think about it too much until then.


Yes the 5 year Business Cycle time
important to all managers

[Scarlett.]

Finally someone who can make the Tories unelectable for at the very least a generation!

[Twosugars]

Finally someone who can make the Tories unelectable for at the very least a generation!

:laugh: comment of the day! :clap1:

[arista]

Corbyn is now Replying (Parliament)

Brought up the fact that it
is now £33 Billion owed to the EU
no longer £39Billion as some has been paid.

Ed Conway Reporter of SkyNewsHD
also confirmed its now £33Billion owed to the EU Council.

[bots]

it's been very "vigorous" .... looking forward to some great arguments in the future :laugh:

[joeysteele]

Good grief, Johnson is way too manic.

Shouting doesn't mean valid point making.

This 20,000 new police officers too.
hardly new.
That only would take us back to where they were before this government cut 20,000.

I'm afraid the bumbling speed he delivers his points, debatable points, will only turn off I'd say most viewers, with the points lost.

[user104658]

Finally someone who can make the Tories unelectable for at the very least a generation!

Don't be so pessimistic Dia, the GBP are still very capable of electing the Conservatives over and over.

[Crimson Dynamo]

excellent stuff from Boris the GBP will be lapping this enthusiasm and faith in them and the country up.

:clap1:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[bots]

Wow, Boris doesn't understand how Scottish people think, his reply to the SNP will all but assure independence

[joeysteele]

Wow, Boris doesn't understand how Scottish people think, his reply to the SNP will all but assure independence

So much for bringing together the whole UK.

[Nicky91]

So much for bringing together the whole UK.

if Boris would succeed at bringing together the whole UK, he needs to be called Sir Boris Johnson, since that would be a HUGE achievement :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Call a general election bozo

[Oliver_W]

Call a general election bozo

Why do you think one is needed?

[bots]

At the moment i am happy that no side has any real majority, it helps keep a lid on anything outrageous happening. 3 more years of that would be fine with me,

[Kizzy]

Why do you think one is needed?

It's the democratic thing to do

[chuff me dizzy]

Watch as Corbyn wanted a hole to open so he could wriggle into it ,owned and outed by our new PM


https://www.facebook.com/leaveeuofficial/videos/2285482788171978/

[Oliver_W]

It's the democratic thing to do

It's not required though, the UK doesn't elect prime ministers so he's as valid as any other.

[Kizzy]

It's not required though, the UK doesn't elect prime ministers so he's as valid as any other.

We elect parties and support can be down to the leader. We haven't had the opportunity to elect the conservatives under Boris.

[Nicky91]

It's not required though, the UK doesn't elect prime ministers so he's as valid as any other.

:shocked:

we dutch do, for example the only thing here if others in our parliament have a no confidence vote in our PM rutte, we move to a earlier general election

but as it seems now it's just wait until the general election comes, and i think there is a slight chance we might get a new PM but i'm not sure

[arista]

Good grief, Johnson is way too manic.

Shouting doesn't mean valid point making.

This 20,000 new police officers too.
hardly new.
That only would take us back to where they were before this government cut 20,000.

I'm afraid the bumbling speed he delivers his points, debatable points, will only turn off I'd say most viewers, with the points lost.



Yes He needs a Microphone onto his jacket
as he talks while turned round - FAST.

Its a long session.

[arista]

Call a general election bozo


Maybe , after
we Leave the EU.

[arista]

Wow, Boris doesn't understand how Scottish people think, his reply to the SNP will all but assure independence


He will not allow the SNP to call it.

[user104658]

He will not allow the SNP to call it.

Why not? If he doesn't agree with referendums then he can't support Brexit :shrug:.

[arista]

Why not? If he doesn't agree with referendums then he can't support Brexit :shrug:.


Brexit Won


The Last Scottish Vote Lost


Its that simple

[user104658]

Brexit Won


The Last Scottish Vote Lost


Its that simple

The last vote was under entirely different political circumstances, so that's not really a good enough reason.

[arista]

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[Scarlett.]

Why do you think one is needed?

Because the Tories are leading with a majority of two, and possibly soon, one :laugh: it's not really workable.

[Oliver_W]

Because the Tories are leading with a majority of two, and possibly soon, one :laugh: it's not really workable.

Hmm I guess getting their majority back would be helpful:)

[Oliver_W]

Wow, Boris doesn't understand how Scottish people think, his reply to the SNP will all but assure independence

What's the issue? "Our Nicky" is even more "unelected" than Johnson, so what have the Scots got to bristle about?

[user104658]

What's the issue? "Our Nicky" is even more "unelected" than Johnson, so what have the Scots got to bristle about?

What are you talking about? The SNP has been under Wee Nic since 2014 and won the election in 2016 with a clear majority of 55% of seats, and nearly double the popular vote of any other party :think:.

[James]

What are you talking about? The SNP has been under Wee Nic since 2014 and won the election in 2016 with a clear majority of 55% of seats, and nearly double the popular vote of any other party :think:.

She didn't have an election when she took over from Salmond in 2014.

In this case a General Election might inevitable, because the government has a majority of two, and many MPs are opposed to no-deal.

[Tom4784]

Let Scotland have another referendum, things have changed drastically and the vastly different landscape warrants another independence vote.

If Boris wants to legitimise his government, he needs to call a general election. It's true we don't elect prime ministers but elections are won and lost on the shoulders of Party Leaders and he is untested when even May who was reviled by most of the country managed to scrape a win.

[chuff me dizzy]

For Gods sake give Scotland independence ,see how long before they come begging to come back ,they could never survive without Englands handouts

[Marsh.]

Dark times indeed.

[Alf]

Dark times indeed.Switch the light on then.

[Marsh.]

Switch the light on then.

There is no light in Boris. :(

[user104658]

She didn't have an election when she took over from Salmond in 2014.

If he'd said she WAS unelected at the beginning of her time as First Minister, that would be true.

Oliver's post clearly said that she *is* "more unelected than Johnson" when she has been as elected as it's possible for a First / Prime minister to be for over 3 years. His claim is just flat out objectively false?

[arista]

Because the Tories are leading with a majority of two, and possibly soon, one :laugh: it's not really workable.


But its automatic Leave 31st Oct
Jacob R.M. will force it through
as Leader of the house.


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[Beso]

Let Scotland have another referendum, things have changed drastically and the vastly different landscape warrants another independence vote.

If Boris wants to legitimise his government, he needs to call a general election. It's true we don't elect prime ministers but elections are won and lost on the shoulders of Party Leaders and he is untested when even May who was reviled by most of the country managed to scrape a win.

You make all this big fuss about us leaping into the unknown with brexit....but without a thought or a care in the world you would let scotland have another independence vote unsure of the uks future if it went through......I don't get that thinking at all.

[user104658]

You make all this big fuss about us leaping into the unknown with brexit....but without a thought or a care in the world you would let scotland have another independence vote unsure of the uks future if it went through......I don't get that thinking at all.

The UK isn't stable as it is so it's the best time to have one surely. The future is uncertain no matter what. I know that a lot of people don't believe that Brexit is going to have a dramatic impact but frankly I think that's because we're coming out of a long period of relative stability that we have largely enjoyed thanks to being part of the EU. Things in the UK absolutely can change, for the worse, and fast. So even if Scottish Indy is a gamble, it's not a gamble between "the status quo" and "the unknown" like it was last time... there is no status quo. The UK's place in the world is completely up in the air.

[Tom4784]

You make all this big fuss about us leaping into the unknown with brexit....but without a thought or a care in the world you would let scotland have another independence vote unsure of the uks future if it went through......I don't get that thinking at all.

I think you're confusing me with someone else, I've been against another Brexit vote since it happened because nothing has changed since 2016, everything that's happened has been predicted by people opposed to Brexit in the first place. I don't want another vote on Brexit because I don't think the landscape has changed dramatically enough to warrant it.

We ARE leaping into the unknown.... Kinda. It's fairly obvious we'll just be swapping the EU for a reliance on the US and there's been endless financial and economical experts that have warned us repeatedly about the dangers which the brexiteers have ignore since it doesn't fit in with their fantasy. Let them have their Brexit, let the reality of what they've unleashed crush 'em.

Scotland is a different matter, in the past three years, they've been shown time and time again that their voice ultimately doesn't matter in the union and I think any of the member states of this union should get a vote if they want to stay with us and go into the oblivion that will be Brexit or go it alone.

[Twosugars]

And give a referendum to Northern Ireland. If they vote to unite with the Republic the backstop issue gets solved automatically.

[user104658]

And give a referendum to Northern Ireland. If they vote to unite with the Republic the backstop issue gets solved automatically.

To be fair... if there was a ref in N.I. and they voted to leave the UK for a united Ireland there would definitely be significant bloodshed.

[Livia]

And give a referendum to Northern Ireland. If they vote to unite with the Republic the backstop issue gets solved automatically.

Well, it's not like that would cause any trouble.

[Twosugars]

To be fair... if there was a ref in N.I. and they voted to leave the UK for a united Ireland there would definitely be significant bloodshed.

Well, it's not like that would cause any trouble.

:worry: fair points

[arista]

Radio 4 Live
presenter trying to get Paul Mason to
to call Johnson "Alt Right"

Wise Paul said No
but maybe some Trump bits creeping in.

[arista]

And give a referendum to Northern Ireland. If they vote to unite with the Republic the backstop issue gets solved automatically.


They do not want one.

[arista]

Every Evening any Broadcaster Live in Westminster
some idiot has amped up a xylophone
He can not play
he is out of tune

[chuff me dizzy]

Every Evening any Broadcaster Live in Westminster
some idiot has amped up a xylophone
He can not play
he is out of tune

Police need to remove them

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1154398056273592322/ktISFq6U?format=jpg&name=small
Full Steam Ahead Boris

All the MP's are now on Holiday
Official Recess is Crazy
they return on Sept 3rd Tuesday
I would have said
those they want to stay at work
Can.

[chuff me dizzy]

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Full Steam Ahead Boris

All the MP's are now on Holiday
Official Recess is Crazy
they return on Sept 3rd Tuesday
I would have said
those they want to stay at work
Can.

I bet thats what will happen

[Beso]

I think you're confusing me with someone else, I've been against another Brexit vote since it happened because nothing has changed since 2016, everything that's happened has been predicted by people opposed to Brexit in the first place. I don't want another vote on Brexit because I don't think the landscape has changed dramatically enough to warrant it.

We ARE leaping into the unknown.... Kinda. It's fairly obvious we'll just be swapping the EU for a reliance on the US and there's been endless financial and economical experts that have warned us repeatedly about the dangers which the brexiteers have ignore since it doesn't fit in with their fantasy. Let them have their Brexit, let the reality of what they've unleashed crush 'em.

Scotland is a different matter, in the past three years, they've been shown time and time again that their voice ultimately doesn't matter in the union and I think any of the member states of this union should get a vote if they want to stay with us and go into the oblivion that will be Brexit or go it alone.




I get where your coming from, but is the only reason you've been against another brexit vote because you want to go nanananana at brexiteers if it actually does go tits up?

[user104658]

I bet thats what will happenThey'll never say that those who want to stay can stay, because none of them would choose to stay, and that looks bad, so they'll have to make it "mandatory".

[Beso]

To be fair...it's only fair every individual gets to chose *and be able to" decide what they want for themselves..

If you want to remain then eu must accommodate you and the UK must accommodate the brexiters...


Same with the Scots wanting to be in the UK. ..the Scots should have independence but England must accommodate the remainers...

It's only fair.

[arista]

They'll never say that those who want to stay can stay, because none of them would choose to stay, and that looks bad, so they'll have to make it "mandatory".

Sadly TS
they have all gone home


Only Johnson is working hard
with his new manager
Dominic Cummings (who ran the Leave 2016 Campaign)

[Beso]

I'm actually going to start showing an interestablished in politics again now Boris will be live on pms question time...he did corbyn today with a mere wave of the hand and a clever use of words ..

[Twosugars]

Boris Johnson drops target for getting annual net migration below 100,000



So much for limiting immigration :laugh2:

[Tom4784]

I get where your coming from, but is the only reason you've been against another brexit vote because you want to go nanananana at brexiteers if it actually does go tits up?

I have other reasons but I think if you vote to change the status quo in such a significant way then you have to be prepared for the consequences. Hopefully such consequences will teach people to vote smarter in future although I doubt it. Brexiters will just place the blame for Brexit's failure at people who voted Remain.

[Tom4784]

I'm actually going to start showing an interestablished in politics again now Boris will be live on pms question time...he did corbyn today with a mere wave of the hand and a clever use of words ..

Does not compute.

[arista]

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[arista]

Boris Johnson drops target for getting annual net migration below 100,000



So much for limiting immigration :laugh2:


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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

Boris Johnson drops target for getting annual net migration below 100,000



So much for limiting immigration :laugh2:

Obviously its going to go up, when those new trade deals are made, the people from those countries will have visa free access as part of any deal, I wonder how much that will cost the treasury, probably some job losses as well

[bots]

Everyone is panicking saying what a right wing cabinet etc when in all likelihood there will be a GE before the end of the year and the tories will be a defunct party. I predict article 50 will be revoked before October 31st

[Twosugars]

Obviously its going to go up, when those new trade deals are made, the people from those countries will have visa free access as part of any deal, I wonder how much that will cost the treasury, probably some job losses as well

Very true

[joeysteele]

Everyone is panicking saying what a right wing cabinet etc when in all likelihood there will be a GE before the end of the year and the tories will be a defunct party. I predict article 50 will be revoked before October 31st

Do you really think that bitontheslide.

I'm one who would like to see that.
If it did, as you say, Johnson will lead the Conservatives to a disaster in the general election.

It is a right wing Cabinet which I already have found from people is being seen as more divisive.

Now Hunt to me, was not a leader either, however he got a third of the votes cast, to be leader.
They and wider Conservatives are possibly dismayed, Johnson failed to secure him in Cabinet.

Add to that the almost Cabinet now on the backbenches.
Some of whom determined to be as difficult on those backbenches, as Johnson and a good number of his new Cabinet were, during May's premiership.

There is more hope I'm hearing from Conservatives with Johnson as leader.
Without brexit, he could have at least held them as the largest party, if he put into action his words that is.

I don't believe polling anymore, and polls are rubbish in my view, the volatility of voters is at its highest point ever.
I don't believe though, there is even just majority support for a no deal.

So I hope you are reading it right and the vote to revoke article 50 is how no deal is prevented.

My fear is, and I'd be furious if they didn't, your prediction of revoking article 50 will need my Party's, Labour votes.
If they failed to support that, no matter the legs stretched across both sides of the brexit road policy, Labour has operated up to now.
Labour will pay heavily, in my view too if they failed to support revoking article 50.

[bots]

The reason I say it Joey is that this cabinet will polarise positions within parliament much further, there is next to no support for leaving without a deal. Politically, MP's can say that while supporting brexit with a deal is fine, but jumping off a cliff face is not. There is also the state of the union to consider, another powerful argument.

For conservatives, revoking artice 50 under those circumstances is going to be a lot more palatable than supporting a vote of no confidence in the government. That's why I think revoking article 50 will be the option chosen.

[joeysteele]

The reason I say it Joey is that this cabinet will polarise positions within parliament much further, there is next to no support for leaving without a deal. Politically, MP's can say that while supporting brexit with a deal is fine, but jumping off a cliff face is not. There is also the state of the union to consider, another powerful argument.

For conservatives, revoking artice 50 under those circumstances is going to be a lot more palatable than supporting a vote of no confidence in the government. That's why I think revoking article 50 will be the option chosen.


All strong points.
All makes sense and a way forward I'd say too.

Fascinating read and points you make all through.

[arista]

Everyone is panicking saying what a right wing cabinet etc when in all likelihood there will be a GE before the end of the year and the tories will be a defunct party. I predict article 50 will be revoked before October 31st


Yes you predict alot
like you predicted Ian Duncan Smith MP would be in
Johnson's Cabinet.

so keep dreaming

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Yes you predict alot
like you predicted Ian Duncan Smith MP would be in
Johnson's Cabinet.

so keep dreaming


I think most expected Ian Duncan Smith to be in his Cabinet.

It may yet happen if cracks start appearing.

What's been said however, the revoking of article 50, could be a tool to prevent a no deal brexit.

It has merit and makes sense.
To me anyway.
If I was an MP not wanting a no deal scenario.
I'd be looking at all options.

A no confidence vote could fail.

Two thirds of MPs have to vote for a general election.

To revoke article 50, ony a single vote majority would be needed.

I know on paper at present what looks the better and possibly even easier option of those.
The last one.

[user104658]

Honestly I think it's unfortunately wishful thinking to assume that the Tories are doomed in another GE. People have become very politically stubborn, swing voting is seen as fence-sitting and a weakness, people have chosen their "side" and are more than willing to go down with the ship rather than admit to previously having put their eggs in the wrong basket.

I don't think a GE held now would yield results much different to the last one.

[Twosugars]

Apparently some very hush hush talks between cons, lab and lib dems are quietly going on.
About forming a government of national unity.
Presumably in case johnson loses a no confidence vote in future

[Vicky.]

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for ****s sake :joker:

Reminds me of the tellytubby sun

[Livia]

20,000 new police officers. Sounds like a plan...

[Vicky.]

20,000 new police officers. Sounds like a plan...

Well yes, sounds decent, but its only undoing the stupidness so far!

As usual, am willing to give him a chance, just not overly optimistic tbh..especially with his main concern appearing to be tax cuts for the rich and no deal brexit :o

[Niamh.]

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That is terrifying :laugh:

[Scarlett.]

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We're ****ed

[Kizzy]

By police officers does he mean g4s thugs?

[Twosugars]

20,000 new police officers. Sounds like a plan...

Only bc the police cuts under conservatives have been a disaster

[joeysteele]

Only bc the police cuts under conservatives have been a disaster

It's only taking them back to where they were in 2010.
However to sustain it and grow it, more funding will be needed for not just the next 3 years but up to a decade on.
He hasn't said anything as to that.

It's easy to say this will be done but all this lot have done for the last 9 years + is cut, cut cut.

Taking things just back to where they were, should only be the start..

It's better to be starting to reverse the drastic cuts this government has made.
However.
If he purses his combative, sounding more uncompromising than Mrs May re the EU.
Then goes for that no deal brexit.
He may have little to no funding to do very much at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Only bc the police cuts under conservatives have been a disaster

yes we used to borrow £1 in every 4 spent and now its £1 in every £34

calamity

:smug:

[arista]

By police officers does he mean g4s thugs?


No it's being reported some of the "spare cash"
Hammond put by,
for No Deal,
is now going for this new Police increase numbers

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

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This is actually brilliant comparison :laugh:

[arista]

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You Tell Her
Tom.

[arista]

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[chuff me dizzy]

Glad to see the Tories have jumped into a great lead in the polls over Commie and his mob since Boris took over :dance:

[Liam-]

Anti-abortion Nadine Dorris appointed to department of health and social care... what is happening to this country

[Kizzy]

Only bc the police cuts under conservatives have been a disaster

Exactamundo... we've lost 22,000 police since 2010.

[arista]

Anti-abortion Nadine Dorris appointed to department of health and social care... what is happening to this country


That's her private view.
In her job its not a problem

[Oliver_W]

Dorres sounds okay. Her nursing background means she actually knows what she's talking about when it comes to working in the NHS, and didn't she start a kids' charity?

[Livia]

Dorres sounds okay. Her nursing background means she actually knows what she's talking about when it comes to working in the NHS, and didn't she start a kids' charity?

Dorres can believe what she likes, it should not interfere with her job, and I don't believe it will. And yes, her nursing background is a big plus. Like they've chosen an ex-soldier for Defence. I think a lot of thought has been put into the choices that have been made.

[arista]

[Zac Goldsmith have been made junior minister in Boris Johnson's new government]

[arista]

Tomorrow
Monday 29th
Johnson is off to Scotland.

[michael21]

Tomorrow
Monday 29th
Johnson is off to Scotland.

Yes using tax payer money to get there :fist:

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

[Zac Goldsmith have been made junior minister in Boris Johnson's new government]

Not that wet blanket :laugh:
He will be resigning over something on principle only to unresign on the sly a moment later

[Oliver_W]

Boris = King of cementing the Union of the Kingdom.

[bots]

Boris encapsulates everything that typical Scots despise in the English, so it should be an interesting visit

[Beso]

Glad to see the Tories have jumped into a great lead in the polls over Commie and his mob since Boris took over :dance:

A very telling statistic...bring on the election that labour wants...that hopeless and hapless bunch of nosewipes have no chance...why would they even think they had!!

[Nicky91]

A very telling statistic...bring on the election that labour wants...that hopeless and hapless bunch of nosewipes have no chance...why would they even think they had!!

yep, in that election Boris would again win with a huge landslide

everyone loves the King of entertainment Boris Johnson

[joeysteele]

Why oh why does anyone put any faith in polling now.

All polls still indicate a likely hung parliament.

Theresa May called an election when polls had her up to and over 20% ahead.
She ended up barely being 2%

One poll means little, I neither get interested or despondent when Labour is ahead or behind in them.

I just think the volatile mood of voters means the polls are not even a guide now, let alone accurate.

Every new PM usually does get a bounce.
Gordon Brown had one too, then in a few weeks it crashed and he was out in 2010.

David Cameron had a large lead in 2010 but ended up with a hung parliament.

May's massive lead when the 2017 campaign began was wiped out just like her overall majority.

Relying now, in my view, on UK pollsters is a mugs game.
No matter what Party is ahead.

[Oliver_W]

I see what you're saying, but regardless of what the polls say, "everyone knew" that Trump and Brexit would both win, and as Corbyn's star was still high when May called the snap, everyone knew it was unwise.

[bots]

we have never been in a more unpredictable time in british politics so polls at this point are completely useless.

If article 50 is revoked, you can bet that the Brexit party will do well, but so will the anti brexit parties. If we end up with a hard brexit, all bets are off ... who knows how it will shape up. If we leave with a deal, I think Boris and the tories could do quite well. We will know soon enough

[chuff me dizzy]

I see what you're saying, but regardless of what the polls say, "everyone knew" that Trump and Brexit would both win, and as Corbyn's star was still high when May called the snap, everyone knew it was unwise.

I dont think anyone expected Trump to win

[joeysteele]

I see what you're saying, but regardless of what the polls say, "everyone knew" that Trump and Brexit would both win, and as Corbyn's star was still high when May called the snap, everyone knew it was unwise.

Well, exactly.

You near make my point.
The polls indicated a Clinton win.
Indicated a remain win.

Neither did, so the polls were wrong.

Also both stars were high in 2017.
Corbyn winning a second vote as leader and May not a year into her own premiership with a massive lead over Labour.

So the polls are at best, in my view utter tripe now.
No matter what they are saying.

I forgot too in 2015, a hung parliament was expected with either Labour or the Conservatives largest Party.
Neck and neck on polling.

Labour were well behind and Cameron got an overall majority.

The polls have become really a joke now since the end of the 90s I'd say.
Plus,the margin of error of them used to be plus or minus 3%
I think the margin of error now is even larger myself.

[Oliver_W]

I forgot to round it up by saying I think the current "everyone knows" is the Labour under Corbyn would get trounced by the Tories under Boris.

[bots]

I forgot to round it up by saying I think the current "everyone knows" is the Labour under Corbyn would get trounced by the Tories under Boris.

i don't think you can say that with any certainty. May was going to trounce Corbyn at the last election and then executed the most ludicrous campaign ever because she thought she couldn't lose. She was right, she couldn't but it was too close for comfort

[Oliver_W]

i don't think you can say that with any certainty. May was going to trounce Corbyn at the last election and then executed the most ludicrous campaign ever because she thought she couldn't lose. She was right, she couldn't but it was too close for comfort

Like I said, even then May was seen as a bit weak and Corbyn's temporary star was high in the sky, so regardless of polls I still think the "everyone knew" was that it wasn't the best idea.

[bots]

Like I said, even then May was seen as a bit weak and Corbyn's temporary star was high in the sky, so regardless of polls I still think the "everyone knew" was that it wasn't the best idea.

Not at all, Corbyn had just survived a total walkout of all his MP's and a leadership battle, everyone said he had no chance in hell of winning

[Kizzy]

Not at all, Corbyn had just survived a total walkout of all his MP's and a leadership battle, everyone said he had no chance in hell of winning

True, some polls are only placing Corbyn 1 point behind... anything could happen before a GE is called, Boris is power crazed atm he could do anything whereas Labour are galvanising in marginals and have very clear strategic plans for infrastructure.
If there's one person who can defuse Boris and his bluster it's Corbyn.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not at all, Corbyn had just survived a total walkout of all his MP's and a leadership battle, everyone said he had no chance in hell of winning

he survived because there was no one and i mean no one, cable of mounting a challenge - he is in there because no one else wants it

the party is on its arse - lets call it straight

[chuff me dizzy]

he survived because there was no one and i mean no one, cable of mounting a challenge - he is in there because no one else wants it

the party is on its arse - lets call it straight

Corbyn has made the Labour party a laughing stock

[Kizzy]

he survived because there was no one and i mean no one, cable of mounting a challenge - he is in there because no one else wants it

the party is on its arse - lets call it straight

And who does it have now? ... There's further articles suggesting should he step down Labour would leapfrog Boris in the polls, how? Who with?

[user104658]

he survived because there was no one and i mean no one, cable of mounting a challenge - he is in there because no one else wants it

the party is on its arse - lets call it straight

British Politics is on its arse. The Tories would most likely win another general election after 2+ straight years of literally nothing but pantomime and incompetence. That should say it all. For someone to look back at the government over the last couple of years and say "Yeah let's have that again". **** me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

British Politics is on its arse. The Tories would most likely win another general election after 2+ straight years of literally nothing but pantomime and incompetence. That should say it all. For someone to look back at the government over the last couple of years and say "Yeah let's have that again". **** me.

It shows you how bad labour have been

literally not put a glove on the Conservatives after THAT 3 years

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[arista]

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[Kizzy]

Again...ditch him for who? A 'moderate' ?

[Liam-]

Again...ditch him for who? A 'moderate' ?

Ditch him for someone that wouldn’t be so dangerous for the establishment or for the elite essentially, that’s why he’s so disliked by the Tories.

[Nicky91]

Again...ditch him for who? A 'moderate' ?

someone who can make Labour ''the people's party'' as they are here in my country (here with me they had their downs but now at the recent EU election they went up again and a huge majority win too)

our Labour leader Asscher is more up close with the young generation, so doing social events like football, skateboarding, basketball with youth from troubled homes

yes he is disliked by other party leaders but so were some of the Labour PM's such as highly controversial Den Uyl


but overall i like Asscher, he can have good debates against our current PM Mark Rutte, let's say he isn't like Corbyn, and he almost has a similar attitude/voice as Boris in your country has in political debates, in parliament and in tv debates

[Livia]

Ditch him for someone that wouldn’t be so dangerous for the establishment or for the elite essentially, that’s why he’s so disliked by the Tories.

And who exactly are "the elite"?

Rich people you mean? The employers and investors of this country... the b*stards, eh?

[user104658]

And who exactly are "the elite"?

Rich people you mean? The employers and investors of this country... the b*stards, eh?

Neoliberal heroes :flutter:

[Crimson Dynamo]

And who exactly are "the elite"?

Rich people you mean? The employers and investors of this country... the b*stards, eh?

yes the scum that employ me and pay for all the good things in my life like holidays, cars, gifts - luxuries

pigs the lot of them

[arista]

The Superstar
the Rock (Dwayne Johnson), said on GMBHD itv in a USA based interview today
that Boris is his Cousin.

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[user104658]

yes the scum that employ me and pay for all the good things in my life like holidays, cars, gifts - luxuries

pigs the lot of them

Free-capitalist martyrs :flutter:. If anything it's a crime that they pay any tax at all.

[Nicky91]

And who exactly are "the elite"?

Rich people you mean? The employers and investors of this country... the b*stards, eh?

lmao :joker:

i think so too Liv


they are so horrible, all of the jobs being made available by them for the people

[Oliver_W]

yes the scum that employ me and pay for all the good things in my life like holidays, cars, gifts - luxuries

pigs the lot of them

And who exactly are "the elite"?

Rich people you mean? The employers and investors of this country... the b*stards, eh?

Oh, didn't y'all know?

The world would be a better place if no-one had any money, and if we all lived off government rations and lived in shoe boxes assigned to us by Big Brother.

Creating wealth for yourself (and others!) will not be tolerated in Oceania!!

[user104658]

Oh, didn't y'all know?

The world would be a better place if no-one had any money, and if we all lived off government rations and lived in shoe boxes assigned to us by Big Brother.

Creating wealth for yourself (and others!) will not be tolerated in Oceania!!

Yeah those silly little cucks right? They're so stupid haha you get 'em kid. They'll see the light eventually and maybe if they're lucky gain some of this real-world no-nonsense right wing economic insight and they'll be better off for it I say.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

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Well.
A test of that is coming, as if that poll is right the Conservatives should easily hold Brecon in the by election this week.
Despite it's dubious candidate still.

[Kizzy]

Ditch him for someone that wouldn’t be so dangerous for the establishment or for the elite essentially, that’s why he’s so disliked by the Tories.

Bingo! :hee:

[arista]

Well.
A test of that is coming, as if that poll is right the Conservatives should easily hold Brecon in the by election this week.
Despite it's dubious candidate still.


No sadly
on that it looks like a LibDem
win.

[user104658]

If anyone is even vaguely bothered to read something evidence based or academic instead of right wing social media ramblings:

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/Staff-Discussion-Notes/Issues/2016/12/31/Causes-and-Consequences-of-Income-Inequality-A-Global-Perspective-42986

"If the income share of the top 20 percent (the rich) increases, then GDP growth actually declines over the medium term, suggesting that the benefits do not trickle down. In contrast, an increase in the income share of the bottom 20 percent (the poor) is associated with higher GDP growth"


There is vast, widely available, and ample evidence that aggressively reducing the tax burden on the richest people in society does not stimulate jobs or growth, but in fact results in increased amounts of money being stored in off-shore tax havens and removed from the economy entirely, causing it to shrink. This has been studied. These are facts. Trickle-down economics was debunked literally OVER 100 YEARS AGO but there are still people on here talking about it like it's obvious and logical.

To generate jobs, income, AND profit for the company owners, the optimal path is increasing consumerism and consumer confidence. You do that by pushing as much money as possible INTO THE HANDS OF CONSUMERS so that they can go out and spend it on the products and services that the mega-rich create, and so that they have to employ people to supply those services. You don't do it by skipping the consumer economy middle man and putting it directly in the offshore pockets of the already rich. It's not clever, it's not logical, it's ****ing stupid, and if you don't believe me, please SOMEONE do some actual reading on the subject.

[Kizzy]

someone who can make Labour ''the people's party'' as they are here in my country (here with me they had their downs but now at the recent EU election they went up again and a huge majority win too)

our Labour leader Asscher is more up close with the young generation, so doing social events like football, skateboarding, basketball with youth from troubled homes

yes he is disliked by other party leaders but so were some of the Labour PM's such as highly controversial Den Uyl


but overall i like Asscher, he can have good debates against our current PM Mark Rutte, let's say he isn't like Corbyn, and he almost has a similar attitude/voice as Boris in your country has in political debates, in parliament and in tv debates
Corbyn is down with the kids too... he regularly attends music events and draws support on environmental issues is passionate about schools and universities. Campaigning and creating policies against poverty, and austerity is better than skateboarding with those already trapped in the cycle.

[Oliver_W]

If companies' running bills increase too much, they'll raise prices and possibly even lay off staff to compensate. Firing people from their joe-jobs and having expensive products isn't beneficial for the average person. Maybe there's some truth to the IMF claims, but there's a balance.

[Kizzy]

yes the scum that employ me and pay for all the good things in my life like holidays, cars, gifts - luxuries

pigs the lot of them

Have you read 'The ragged trousered philanthropist'? ...you should.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Corbyn is down with the kids too... he regularly attends music events and draws support on environmental issues is passionate about schools and universities. Campaigning and creating policies against poverty, and austerity is better than skateboarding with those already trapped in the cycle.

dont forget he loves terrorists and hates jewish people. another vote winner for da yoof

[Kizzy]

If companies' running bills increase too much, they'll raise prices and possibly even lay off staff to compensate. Firing people from their joe-jobs and having expensive products isn't beneficial for the average person. Maybe there's some truth to the IMF claims, but there's a balance.

You mean if their shareholder profit margin drops...

[Oliver_W]

You mean if their shareholder profit margin drops...

Yeah that may well happen if people can't afford their goods or services.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have you read 'The ragged trousered philanthropist'? ...you should.

a work of fiction promoting socialism before it failed in every society that had the misfortune to endure it?


er no

[arista]

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[Livia]

a work of fiction promoting socialism before it failed in every society that had the misfortune to endure it?


er no

I've read it.

“Much better left alone,’ chimed in old Jack Linden sagely, ‘argyfying about politics generally ends up with a bloody row an’ does no good to nobody.”


That bit I agree with.

[Kizzy]

a work of fiction promoting socialism before it failed in every society that had the misfortune to endure it?


er no

Shame it would benefit you, those who cannot holding a carrot and stick for those who can? ... thought that would be right up your street, oh well.

[Kizzy]

I've read it.

“Much better left alone,’ chimed in old Jack Linden sagely, ‘argyfying about politics generally ends up with a bloody row an’ does no good to nobody.”


That bit I agree with.

Yes best leave politics to those of a better social class...hmm?

[Kizzy]

Yeah that may well happen if people can't afford their goods or services.

Keeping wages low ensures that never happens! You mad, risk losing customers? ...crazy talk.

[Nicky91]

dont forget he loves terrorists and hates jewish people. another vote winner for da yoof

that wouldn't get votes from the youth, rather more votes and support from golden dawn neo nazi's :omgno: who are out of greek parliament but it's commonly known that they want to globally expand, so i hope they won't read any of this about Corbyn oof

[Withano]

A very telling statistic...bring on the election that labour wants...that hopeless and hapless bunch of nosewipes have no chance...why would they even think they had!!

... they want it cos tories would likely lose all power to a lab/lib coalition... tories ‘leading’ means nothing unless them+brexit=50% which it never will.

[user104658]

Keeping wages low ensures that never happens! You mad, risk losing customers? ...crazy talk.


The really bizarre part is that increasing wages hand in hand with increasing prices is a fundamental measure of GDP and economic growth, it's baked right into the whole thing. And wages are assessed and increase based on the cost of living. But now people are arguing that we should want to provide tax cuts to rich service providers so that they start offering their services more cheaply (until they eliminate the competition, of course then they can creep the prices back up), reducing the overall cost of living, and undoubtedly slowing down income growth. I'm pretty sure they call that a recession :joker:.

[Oliver_W]

I didn't say lowering taxes will make prices lower accordingly, I said raising taxes will raise prices.

[user104658]

I didn't say lowering taxes will make prices lower accordingly, I said raising taxes will raise prices.

The entire discussion is about the Tories wanting to cut taxes to the rich, and the premise that it's a good idea because the extra wealth will somehow end up in Joe Public's wallet, and not as a 3rd private yacht somewhere in the Caribbean.

[Kizzy]

The really bizarre part is that increasing wages hand in hand with increasing prices is a fundamental measure of GDP and economic growth, it's baked right into the whole thing. And wages are assessed and increase based on the cost of living. But now people are arguing that we should want to provide tax cuts to rich service providers so that they start offering their services more cheaply (until they eliminate the competition, of course then they can creep the prices back up), reducing the overall cost of living, and undoubtedly slowing down income growth. I'm pretty sure they call that a recession :joker:.
Anyone think these savings will be passed on? .. they won't, it's like expecting sectors to regulate themselves, not going to happen!
Wages are in line with the cost of living? ..mine might have been, in 1963! :laugh:

[Tom4784]

Trickle down economics never work out. When you cut taxes at the top, they just hoard the money for themselves, they don't put it back into the workforce.

[Oliver_W]

The entire discussion is about the Tories wanting to cut taxes to the rich, and the premise that it's a good idea because the extra wealth will somehow end up in Joe Public's wallet, and not as a 3rd private yacht somewhere in the Caribbean.

Eh, good for them, at least they're enjoying their money and it's not falling into the wasteful economy.

[Tom4784]

Eh, good for them, at least they're enjoying their money and it's not falling into the wasteful economy.

Wow, how partisan do you have to be that you're cheering for your own side for not taxing the rich as much as they should and so the economy is suffering? That's.... That's honestly so ****ing grim.

[Oliver_W]

Wow, how partisan do you have to be that you're cheering for your own side for not taxing the rich as much as they should and so the economy is suffering? That's.... That's honestly so ****ing grim.

If they try to avoid paying 20% then I'm against it. That's what they should be paying.

[Twosugars]

https://i.imgur.com/gQe7Eqdl.jpg

[Twosugars]

Stewart Lee wrote presciently in the Guardian in June 2017
“The secret Tory steering committee has always intended Boris Johnson to be leader of the party and Theresa May has only been put in place as a kind of palate cleanser, a nasty-tasting mouthwash that you swill around your gums before being forced to eat actual human ****.”
And so it has come to pass.

[Kizzy]

Stewart Lee wrote presciently in the Guardian in June 2017

And so it has come to pass.

I believe that, when Cameron got in he laughed to Boris ' oh don't worry its your turn soon'... I think they know who's going to be pm... the election is just a charade. :/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Stewart Lee wrote presciently in the Guardian in June 2017

And so it has come to pass.


he tells unfunny jokes for a living and you listen to the crap he spouts?

:conf:

[user104658]

I believe that, when Cameron got in he laughed to Boris ' oh don't worry its your turn soon'... I think they know who's going to be pm... the election is just a charade. :/

Yep, and he probably meant "next" because it was pretty clear that it was meant to be Boris last time round... but he avoided it like the plague because whoever took over from Cameron after brexit was politically doomed. So they let poor T. May take the fall... and now, here he is.

[user104658]

Honestly the only thing that surprises me is that he's slithered into the position before October? He really must believe that he can cobble together something popular.

[Twosugars]

https://i.imgur.com/gQe7Eqdl.jpg

The cartoon is good though, they have so much in common. Lies for starters.

[arista]

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This is better
Two Sugars


Today's Cartoon
Johnson on a Imported Chicken

[reece(:]

Wow, how partisan do you have to be that you're cheering for your own side for not taxing the rich as much as they should and so the economy is suffering? That's.... That's honestly so ****ing grim.

Very very worrying indeed.

[arista]

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[arista]

Owen Jones Tweeted:
[Boris Johnson dropped the investigation into Mark Field grabbing a female protester by the neck. It sums this government up and they should never be allowed to forget it.]


Owen
She was not harmed

[Liam-]

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Beautiful

[chuff me dizzy]

Owen Jones Tweeted:
[Boris Johnson dropped the investigation into Mark Field grabbing a female protester by the neck. It sums this government up and they should never be allowed to forget it.]


Owen
She was not harmed

What a snivelling little wannabe Jones is

[Twosugars]

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Music to my ears, well done Scots :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Owen Jones Tweeted:
[Boris Johnson dropped the investigation into Mark Field grabbing a female protester by the neck. It sums this government up and they should never be allowed to forget it.]


Owen
She was not harmed

he is quite the nasty bitter little man isnt he and he is getting worse - i have noted he is getting used a lot less now my the media as he is too abusive and mean

[Crimson Dynamo]

and great news that case was dropped:clap1:

[Greg!]

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I love my country :love:

[joeysteele]

Well Mark Field did get a suspension and lose his post in government.
So some comeback for his highly inappropriate actions.

It's not a good sign this PM has not done more.

However the very fortunate thing for Mark Field really is that the climate campaigner chose not to involve the police.

Otherwise he could, and should have, for me anyway, been in deeper trouble and likely prosecuted too.