The New Conservative Prime Minister is Boris Johnson 23/7

[Kizzy]

Well Mark Field did get a suspension and lose his post in government.
So some comeback for his highly inappropriate actions.

It's not a good sign this PM has not done more.

However the very fortunate thing for Mark Field really is that the climate campaigner chose not to involve the police.

Otherwise he could, and should have, for me anyway, been in deeper trouble and likely prosecuted too.

She has a while to get a whiplash claim in . I hope she does :)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well Mark Field did get a suspension and lose his post in government.
So some comeback for his highly inappropriate actions.

It's not a good sign this PM has not done more.

However the very fortunate thing for Mark Field really is that the climate campaigner chose not to involve the police.

Otherwise he could, and should have, for me anyway, been in deeper trouble and likely prosecuted too.

it was common sense and of course he will be back asap


the woman hopefully learned a hard lesson about her disgusting behaviour

well done to our PM for sorting this, a good sign

[joeysteele]

She has a while to get a whiplash claim in . I hope she does :)

I hoped she'd involve the police at the time Kizzy.

It was well over the top by him, he's very fortunate.

[Kizzy]

https://youtu.be/7yRTAnJHUVA

[GiRTh]

https://youtu.be/7yRTAnJHUVA
7yRTAnJHUVA
:laugh::laugh:
I love Sir Stevo

[Kizzy]

Thanks Girth :D

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[bots]

Boris is playing a dangerous game with the UK economy

[Crimson Dynamo]

prescription glasses from £5

wow

[joeysteele]

Boris is playing a dangerous game with the UK economy

He's likely playing a dangerous game with the whole UK.
I think, with his Cabinet's clear determination of no deal after 31st October.
His more mixed,.at least on the surface, of hoping for a deal rather than no deal, is creating more uncertainty than before.

I can't see where this is all going to end up.

Scotland is overall going to be furious and it will be hard for a minority government to deny or ignore calls for another independence vote.

The DUP should keep their noses well out of that one too as to Scotland.

Welsh farmers are it seems likely to be up in arms at a no deal prospect.

N Ireland, who knows, why voters there support the, in my opinion, UN-Democratic Unionists is near unbelievable.

Then Parliament too.
The divisions hardening, what chaos may yet still loom there.
Although I cannot see Rees-Mogg winning battles with speaker Bercow.

The economy is bound to take a big hit in all that.

His blustering is only making things worse.
He is starting to look almost like a prisoner PM of the hard-line cabinet, HE has put in place.

All any polling reveals, and I have not a scrap of faith in the polls.
Indicate really in all of them, another hung Parliament.

In a no deal realised scenario result.
I think he'd gain some brexit votes back.
I know many who voted brexit though, who would vote to leave again and again, however do not support no deal in any shape or form.

Then the remain vote would probably harden even more.
Sadly many who voted to leave, are no longer with us due to age taking its toll, this last 3 years.
Couple that with those who were 15 to 17 in 2016.
Who more lean to renain and who will now be able to vote, with those numbers rising into next year too.

Then a general election may be of no help to him, and may even see him out.

We seem as if we are under Johnson, heading into a worse period than under Theresa May.
I wish and hoped the Conservative party would have put in place a National healing and more compromising leader.
Then it chose to inflict this one on the UK.
Divisions and tensions likely being made worse and the chance to heal the UK blown very sadly away.

I don't think any Party has a leader who can now pull the whole UK together at present.
Certainly not Johnson.
At this time of dividing ourselves from an association we've had membership of for 40+ years.
One of the main qualities of a leader needed in that, was someone who could and should have put the bringing together of the 4 Nations making up the UK the total main priority.
We have the opposite unbelievably.

Really worrying and dangerous.

[arista]

Today
Johnson is going to Wales.

[chuff me dizzy]

I truly hope Scotland DO get a new vote to leave us ,and all i would say is good riddance ,they would be in a right mess in no time and come crawling back to us :joker:

[bots]

If Scotland get the opportunity to vote for independence, and they will, because the people cannot be ignored, they will vote for independence if Boris is still at the helm

[Livia]

Have a referendum now. They don't want to be governed by London but they're perfectly find with a bunch of unelected people in Brussels calling the shots.

[Livia]

prescription glasses from £5

wow

LOL.... morning Trumpet.

[bots]

Have a referendum now. They don't want to be governed by London but they're perfectly find with a bunch of unelected people in Brussels calling the shots.

Scotland didn't vote to leave the EU .... and to be quite frank Livia, your attitude toward Scottish issues is exactly the reason why Scotland has problems with being governed from westminster

[Oliver_W]

Scotland didn't vote to leave the EU .... and to be quite frank Livia, your attitude toward Scottish issues is exactly the reason why Scotland has problems with being governed from westminster

Yeah, why get governed by a parliament you have a vote in and be part of what's basically the same country (come on, admit it), when you can be ruled by people you have no vote for, implementing rules from afar.

[joeysteele]

I truly hope Scotland DO get a new vote to leave us ,and all i would say is good riddance ,they would be in a right mess in no time and come crawling back to us :joker:

And how does that attitude help in healing and keeping together the UK.

Are some so desperate for brexit, really happy to not just end a 40+ year membership of the EU but also equally happy to end over 300 years of a union.
Which iif it was broken meant we cannot then even call ourselves the United Kingdom.
What a way forward that is.
I think not.

No wonder the Scots have so much distrust of most in Westminster.

[user104658]

And how does that attitude help in healing and keeping together the UK.

Are some so desperate for brexit, really happy to not just end a 40+ year membership of the EU but also equally happy to end over 300 years of a union.
Which iif it was broken meant we cannot then even call ourselves the United Kingdom.
What a way forward that is.
I think not.

No wonder the Scots have so much distrust of most in Westminster.

Because the attitude towards other nations that has Brexit voters in England wanting to leave the EU applies to Scotland as well. It always has :shrug:. The irony is that the smaller percentage of Brexit voters that do exist in Scotland, tend to be hardcore flag-clad Unionists.

[user104658]

Yeah, why get governed by a parliament you have a vote in and be part of what's basically the same country (come on, admit it), when you can be ruled by people you have no vote for, implementing rules from afar.

To believe that you either have to vastly over-estimate the control that the EU has over everyday decisions within member countries (common for Brexiteers, to be fair), or vastly UNDER estimate the control that Westminster has over everyday decisions in Scotland.

[Livia]

Scotland didn't vote to leave the EU .... and to be quite frank Livia, your attitude toward Scottish issues is exactly the reason why Scotland has problems with being governed from westminster

MY attitude LOL.... They may have problems being governed by Westminster Bots, but they have no problem taking the money - and more per head of capita than any other country in the UK. And the barely veiled anti-English sentiment (and that's putting it mildly) is woven through the whole Independence lobby like a tartan blanket and yet it's MY attitude that's causing the problems? The Anti-English lobby doesn't make up the whole of the Scottish population, but it is certainly the loudest section. And I say this having been all over Scotland and experienced quite a lot of anti-English bile. For the sake of balance, I've also been welcomed and made friends in Scotland... I'm not talking about the whole population... but this is me justifying myself because this is TiBB. And well, you know...

[user104658]

MY attitude LOL.... They may have problems being governed by Westminster Bots, but they have no problem taking the money - and more per head of capita than any other country in the UK. And the barely veiled anti-English sentiment (and that's putting it mildly) is woven through the whole Independence lobby like a tartan blanket and yet it's MY attitude that's causing the problems? The Anti-English lobby doesn't make up the whole of the Scottish population, but it is certainly the loudest section. And I say this having been all over Scotland and experienced quite a lot of anti-English bile. For the sake of balance, I've also been welcomed and made friends in Scotland... I'm not talking about the whole population... but this is me justifying myself because this is TiBB. And well, you know...

My wife is English, has lived and worked in Scotland for 8 years and has literally never experienced any "anti-English bile". Yet you've experienced "quite a lot" on visits. That's a bit odd, isn't it.

[chuff me dizzy]

My wife is English, has lived and worked in Scotland for 8 years and has literally never experienced any "anti-English bile". Yet you've experienced "quite a lot" on visits. That's a bit odd, isn't it.

Perhaps it was something you said, Livia :idc:.

We visit Scotland a LOT and have met with anti - English bile several times ,We were in Aviemore on the night the results of the referendum came in ,the next day we were in a restaurant having a meal and a Scotsman stood at the desk said so we could here "Its THIER fault (pointing at our table ) we are leaving the EU fecking English bar stewards ( but he used the real words ) " we ate up and left, the higher up you go in Scotland the more anti English they are .. We stayed in a cottage in Ullapool and the English lady who owned it told us she had been there 15 yrs and a lot of the locals still never spoke to her ,she said they don't accept the English buying properties in the Highlands

[Twosugars]

My wife is English, has lived and worked in Scotland for 8 years and has literally never experienced any "anti-English bile". Yet you've experienced "quite a lot" on visits. That's a bit odd, isn't it.

Perhaps it was something you said, Livia :idc:.

Been a few times to Scotland, love it. :)

[Livia]

My wife is English, has lived and worked in Scotland for 8 years and has literally never experienced any "anti-English bile". Yet you've experienced "quite a lot" on visits. That's a bit odd, isn't it.
.


Of course, if your experience wasn't exactly the same as mine then obviously I'm either making it up or I am just a horrible person. That's a myth that's being pushed lately... quite worrying.

The majority of people I met in Scotland were lovely... but not everyone. And if you're denying there is any anti-English feeling in Scotland they you are delirious.

[Livia]

Been a few times to Scotland, love it. :)

Of course you do!

[chuff me dizzy]

Nicely placed little insult there TS. A personal insult... you're getting good at those.

Of course, if your experience wasn't exactly the same as mine then obviously I'm either making it up or I am just a horrible person. That's a myth that's being pushed lately... quite worrying.

The majority of people I met in Scotland were lovely... but not everyone. And if you're denying there is any anti-English feeling in Scotland they you are delirious.

I must be making it up too ?

[Twosugars]

Anti-English feeling? A few centuries of lording it over it will do that to a country.
Reap what you sow, the proverb goes.

[Twosugars]

Of course you do!

Of course. A beautiful country, great people.

[Livia]

I must be making it up too ?

Oh we're all horrible and making it up. There... save someone else saying it.

[Twosugars]

Wish we had a leader like Nicola...

[Livia]

Anti-English feeling? A few centuries of lording it over it will do that to a country.
Reap what you sow, the proverb goes.

My family weren't here 200 years ago. Neither was ANYONE alive now.

And you know, the Scots want independence (I'm told), I want them to have it. And still I'm wrong.

[Livia]

Wish we had a leader like Nicola...

Move to Scotland and you will.

[Matthew.]

Been a few times to Scotland, love it. :)

:love:

[Twosugars]

:love:

:love:
Going later this year again. Still debating where though.

[Liam-]

:love:
Going later this year again. Still debating where though.

Ooh me too, I’m gonna try and get to Glasgow for the Christmas market, beautiful place!

[Niamh.]

Deleted/edited some posts in here, can we try not getting personal with eachother, thanks

[Twosugars]

Ooh me too, I’m gonna try and get to Glasgow for the Christmas market, beautiful place!
Great idea, Liam
We wanted to revisit the west coast, but other places are tempting too.

[Niamh.]

I've only been to Glasgow and Aberdeen (but I can barely remember Aberdeen because I was only a kid) I'd like to go somewhere more rural and scenic though

[James]

I'm Scottish and Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP don't represent the views of many people here.

I think the pro-EU English who are jumping on the SNP bandwagon don't realise how much they are being manipulated. The SNP's pro-EU stance is part of the political game they play.

It is part of their strategy to sow division so that pro-Brexit English want rid of Scotland also - they are falling into the SNP trap also.

Scottish Independence would cause massive long-lasting division and bitterness between England and Scotland.

[Livia]

I'm Scottish and Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP don't represent the views of many people here.

I think the pro-EU English who are jumping on the SNP bandwagon don't realise how much they are being manipulated. The SNP's pro-EU stance is part of the political game they play.

It is part of their strategy to sow division so that pro-Brexit English want rid of Scotland also - they are falling into the SNP trap also.

Scottish Independence would cause massive long-lasting division and bitterness between England and Scotland.

That is a refreshing point of view. And I think the continuous calling for a referendum when the last one was described as "once in a lifetime" is divisive. I don't really believe Scotland will leave the union, just that those people seeking another referendum are so loud.

I've experienced anti-English sentiment in Scotland, I would be lying to say I haven't... but if you compare it with the friendliness I've also experienced it pales into insignificance. Sometimes it's hard to hear the normal people over the frenzy.

[Cherie]

I got engaged in Edinburgh :flutter:

[Kizzy]

The English are the least accepting of the UK, and I say that as an English person. Let's face it the north hate the south and visa versa and Yorkshire hate the mancs (except oasis).
I can well understand the worries of Scotland they don't trust this govt to do the right thing by them, and I dont blame them one bit.... I dont either.

[bots]

I'm Scottish and Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP don't represent the views of many people here.

I think the pro-EU English who are jumping on the SNP bandwagon don't realise how much they are being manipulated. The SNP's pro-EU stance is part of the political game they play.

It is part of their strategy to sow division so that pro-Brexit English want rid of Scotland also - they are falling into the SNP trap also.

Scottish Independence would cause massive long-lasting division and bitterness between England and Scotland.

I think you are spot on with that James, and Boris fell right in to the trap they laid for him in the commons last week. People don't seem to understand that telling Scottish people whats best for them in a know it all condescending tone isn't going to wash

[Twosugars]

I'm Scottish and Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP don't represent the views of many people here.

I think the pro-EU English who are jumping on the SNP bandwagon don't realise how much they are being manipulated. The SNP's pro-EU stance is part of the political game they play.

It is part of their strategy to sow division so that pro-Brexit English want rid of Scotland also - they are falling into the SNP trap also.

Scottish Independence would cause massive long-lasting division and bitterness between England and Scotland.

I dont feel manipulated.
UK should have gone fully federal ages ago. As it is Scotland deserves to be independent if it wants to.
UK is not one nation but four. Taking Scotland out of EU against its will is wrong. As usual England is trampling over the will of smaller nations bc of its numerical advantage.
The new circumstances warrant a new indyref, period.

[Cherie]

The English are the least accepting of the UK, and I say that as an English person. Let's face it the north hate the south and visa versa and Yorkshire hate the mancs (except oasis).
I can well understand the worries of Scotland they don't trust this govt to do the right thing by them, and I dont blame them one bit.... I dont either.

Its all done to experience I suppose, I have always found English people very accepting of me as an Irish person :think: There are rivalaries in every country, like Cork hates Dublin and vice versa, the culchies hate the townies, and on it goes

[Beso]

My wife is English, has lived and worked in Scotland for 8 years and has literally never experienced any "anti-English bile". Yet you've experienced "quite a lot" on visits. That's a bit odd, isn't it.

Come on, it's everywhere you go..

[Cherie]

Come on, it's everywhere you go..

I would be very surprised if there weren't tbf :laugh:

[Kizzy]

Its all done to experience I suppose, I have always found English people very accepting of me as an Irish person :think: There are rivalaries in every country, like Cork hates Dublin and vice versa, the culchies hate the townies, and on it goes

It's only your accent we like trust me...hence the call centres.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:love:
Going later this year again. Still debating where though.

Ooh me too, I’m gonna try and get to Glasgow for the Christmas market, beautiful place!

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[Beso]

Deleted/edited some posts in here, can we try not getting personal with eachother, thanks

Can you delete the off topic I love scotland ones as well. .and the ooo I'm going up to scotland..don't know where yet ones...nothing to do with the thread.

[Cherie]

It's only your accent we like trust me...hence the call centres.

I think you can only speak for yourself? you might hate the Irish but most don't

[Beso]

Wish we had a leader like Nicola...

You do.

[Beso]

I think you can only speak for yourself? you might hate the Irish but most don't

Never had a problem being scottish living in England. .quiet the opposite actually....however the hatred for England up in scotland is scary at times....and can get very nasty.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Never had a problem being scottish living in England. .quiet the opposite actually....however the hatred for England up in scotland is scary at times....and can get very nasty.

iv been taking my english pals up to scotland for 28 years ad never ever had any problems

[Kizzy]

I think you can only speak for yourself? you might hate the Irish but most don't

Haha I don't hate the Irish! I wasn't speaking personally. It's my opinion that England just isn't very accepting of anywhere really.

[Twosugars]

Come on, it's everywhere you go..

what is your explanation as to why some Scots don't like the English?

[Beso]

iv been taking my english pals up to scotland for 28 years ad never ever had any problems

In my experience people keep quiet when the English are around them...it's when they ain't there or on the telly in a pub...That's when the true hatred and bile comes out from thousands and thousands of people.

[Twosugars]

Can you delete the off topic I love scotland ones as well. .and the ooo I'm going up to scotland..don't know where yet ones...nothing to do with the thread.
Considering johnson just visited Scotland and his attitude to Scotland is part of his premiership I don't think this is off-topic.
You do.
oh no, we don't, as you'll find out sooner or later

[Beso]

what is your explanation as to why some Scots don't like the English?

Jealousy.

[Twosugars]

Jealousy.

of what?

[Beso]

of what?

Success.

[Twosugars]

Success.

:laugh:
oh, I thought you were serious there for a moment

[Twosugars]

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me learning parmnion is in essex :)

[Beso]

:laugh:
oh, I thought you were serious there for a moment

I am..

[Beso]

me learning parmnion is in essex :)

Pleas don't discuss me....I hate you.

[Twosugars]

Pleas don't discuss me....I hate you.

with pleasure :)

[Oliver_W]

Pleas don't discuss me....I hate you.

Ahw come on, he's a good kid behind it all:)

[Twosugars]

I am..

then there's no point in us talking :)

[Beso]

Ahw come on, he's a good kid behind it all:)

Told me he only comes on here to stir ****/ or banter he called it....it's showing nowadays...totally went of him since that msg

[Beso]

then there's no point in us talking :)

Don't ask in future then...don't ask a Scotsman why Scots hate the English. ..think you know best all you want, as an English man. ..you know best about a Scottish opinion about scottish people..


Maybe it's not success after all. ..

[Twosugars]

Told me he only comes on here to stir ****/ or banter he called it....it's showing nowadays...totally went of him since that msg

why you lying? I have evidence
I told you not to take the forum too seriously when you had another of your meltdowns
I told you at the end of the day this is just a forum and banter and we all could have a pint if we met in real life
I tried to help you to get some distance
as I tried to help you when you were jumping at Marsh for no reason.

you need to take a deep breath, parminion

[Twosugars]

Don't ask in future then...don't ask a Scotsman why Scots hate the English. ..think you know best all you want, as an English man. ..you know best about a Scottish opinion about scottish people..


Maybe it's not success after all. ..

i'm half english half polish fyi, born and bred outside of uk but you go off :)

[Kizzy]

There you go ts you're an honorary English man :joker:

[Beso]

why you lying? I have evidence
I told you not to take the forum too seriously when you had another of your meltdowns
I told you at the end of the day this is just a forum and banter and we all could have a pint if we met in real life
I tried to help you to get some distance
as I tried to help you when you were jumping at Marsh for no reason.

you need to take a deep breath, parminion




I have evidence ..have you bloody heard yourself lately!!!


You are a convincing snake.. .what business is it of yours as someone who has just joined the forum...what business was it of yours to suggest how 2 people should interact with each other. .2 people who have been in the forum for over ten years.. just **** stirring that's all it was.

[Nicky91]

yes 2S is right, Boris had just visited scotland

and next after his visit to Wales, we can discuss that, and their views, thoughts on Boris

[Beso]

yes 2S is right, Boris had just visited scotland

and next after his visit to Wales, we can discuss that, and their views, thoughts on Boris

So the thread is about Boris Johnson being the new pm....and ts going to scolander and wanting to go again but not sure where..like we all give a dam where he goes....has what to do with Boris being pm again?

[Liam-]

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:oh:

[Twosugars]

I have evidence ..have you bloody heard yourself lately!!!


You are a convincing snake.. .what business is it of yours as someone who has just joined the forum...what business was it of yours to suggest how 2 people should interact with each other. .2 people who have been in the forum for over ten years.. just **** stirring that's all it was.

I have my pms with you so we can check
18 months and I've just joined. Ok. So resentment a newbie has opinions? Wow.
Parm, is referring to me defending Nicky in his convo with Livia, btw, to those who don't know. I felt Livia was taking advantage and told her so.
That's how I felt. You don't jump to your friends assistance even if they don't ask you? I make no apologies for it. Nicky told me since there was no need and I take that on board. But at the time I reacted as I saw it.
And here you are attacking me for this. ok.
anything else?

[Oliver_W]

C'mon you two, get a room. You'll get this thread locked at this rate...

[Twosugars]

C'mon you two, get a room. You'll get this thread locked at this rate...

I hope not.
Mods, if you read it, let him have his say, I can defend myself.
You can clean the thread later.

[chuff me dizzy]

I have my pms with you so we can check
18 months and I've just joined. Ok. So resentment a newbie has opinions? Wow.
Parm, is referring to me defending Nicky in his convo with Livia, btw, to those who don't know. I felt Livia was taking advantage and told her so.
That's how I felt. You don't jump to your friends assistance even if they don't ask you? I make no apologies for it. Nicky told me since there was no need and I take that on board. But at the time I reacted as I saw it.
And here you are attacking me for this. ok.
anything else?

Maybe let people stand up for themselves and not get involved in other peoples business ?

[Kizzy]

I have my pms with you so we can check
18 months and I've just joined. Ok. So resentment a newbie has opinions? Wow.
Parm, is referring to me defending Nicky in his convo with Livia, btw, to those who don't know. I felt Livia was taking advantage and told her so.
That's how I felt. You don't jump to your friends assistance even if they don't ask you? I make no apologies for it. Nicky told me since there was no need and I take that on board. But at the time I reacted as I saw it.
And here you are attacking me for this. ok.
anything else?

Hey 2s.. I love you :love:

[arista]

PM Johnson has said he will not talk to the EU
until they accept the Backstop is removed.

So Nothing has changed

[Liam-]

Well this thread was good while it lasted

[James]

People need to air their differences in private messages rather than threads.

Especially seeing as my considered post is being buried a few pages back, and people aren't responding to it. :hee:

[Twosugars]

Hey 2s.. I love you :love:

I love you too, but dont leave the forum again please

[arista]

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[Ammi]

I'm Scottish and Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP don't represent the views of many people here.

I think the pro-EU English who are jumping on the SNP bandwagon don't realise how much they are being manipulated. The SNP's pro-EU stance is part of the political game they play.

It is part of their strategy to sow division so that pro-Brexit English want rid of Scotland also - they are falling into the SNP trap also.

Scottish Independence would cause massive long-lasting division and bitterness between England and Scotland.

...for James...bringing this onto a new page...

[Kizzy]

Ok yes Liam sorry... anyhoo I don't see anything wrong with the Scots wanting to align with the rest of Europe? There is so much uncertainty around brexit it really would be an act of blind faith. Theres not enough trust in this govt for that.

[Ammi]

...I totally agree with the last sentence...an English/Scottish would be awful, a devastating thought...I most definitely wouldn’t want to be separated from Scotlanders...:sad:...there’s been this huge tag line...’Make Britain Great Again’..and Scotland is a part of us/an essential piece of us that defines any greatness that we’ve been through the years, IMO...

[Twosugars]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAuTNS8WkAIyzhu?format=png&name=small

Few days late

[bots]

People need to air their differences in private messages rather than threads.

Especially seeing as my considered post is being buried a few pages back, and people aren't responding to it. :hee:

i responded :douf:

[Twosugars]

i responded :douf:

Me too

[arista]

Few days late



Its better than nothing
At least the Irish leader
knows the Back Stop is gone

[Marsh.]

I got engaged in Edinburgh :flutter:

My condolences. :(

[Marsh.]

Yorkshire hate the mancs (except oasis)

:joker:

[Marsh.]

iv been taking my english pals up to scotland for 28 years ad never ever had any problems

Never had any problems what? Disposing of their bodies? :worry:

[Kazanne]

If Scotland get the opportunity to vote for independence, and they will, because the people cannot be ignored, they will vote for independence if Boris is still at the helm

I was watching Jeremy Vine this morning bots and some Scots rang in and said a lot of them like Boris and its Nicola Sturgeon that is dividing the country and that she needs to stop concentrating so much on a having a vote to be independent and get to grips with the health services etc and they don't want to be separated from England, so not all Scots like her or want to separate, so not sure how that vote would go.:wavey:

[Oliver_W]

Maybe Sturgeon should get on with running her part of the country instead of trying to make it a separate one ;)

[Kizzy]

James there is was and always will be animosity it's historical as well as political that was my original point. Can the Scots trust the English govt to do right by them?
Look at 79 when the SNP helped the Tories bring down the Labour govt.. It was the EU that helped Scotland and their large areas of socioeconomic depravation until they achieved the devolution that was denied them then.

To pro brexit English you are already foreigners, I can understand the worry independence will bring though. Would being dragged out of Europe against your will not cause similar division?

[Twosugars]

Its better than nothing
At least the Irish leader
knows the Back Stop is gone

Dividing economy of the island of Ireland is gonna rack up the tensions. A dangerous game.

But he's playing to his electorate. A poll of conservatives showed they care more about brexit than Ireland or Scotland.

[Kizzy]

Dividing economy of the island of Ireland is gonna rack up the tensions. A dangerous game.

But he's playing to his electorate. A poll of conservatives showed they care more about brexit than Ireland or Scotland.

And nobody anywhere was surprised...

[Crimson Dynamo]

People need to air their differences in private messages rather than threads.


sometimes that isnt a good idea

[Livia]

I have my pms with you so we can check
18 months and I've just joined. Ok. So resentment a newbie has opinions? Wow.
Parm, is referring to me defending Nicky in his convo with Livia, btw, to those who don't know. I felt Livia was taking advantage and told her so.
That's how I felt. You don't jump to your friends assistance even if they don't ask you? I make no apologies for it. Nicky told me since there was no need and I take that on board. But at the time I reacted as I saw it.
And here you are attacking me for this. ok.
anything else?

The mods are here to sort things out, there was no need for you to jump in at all. And as you now know you were way off the mark. Nicky doesn't need protecting from me, we disagree and yet are still friends.

[arista]

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[bots]

I was watching Jeremy Vine this morning bots and some Scots rang in and said a lot of them like Boris and its Nicola Sturgeon that is dividing the country and that she needs to stop concentrating so much on a having a vote to be independent and get to grips with the health services etc and they don't want to be separated from England, so not all Scots like her or want to separate, so not sure how that vote would go.:wavey:

There are a lot of Scots that don't like Nicola, me included (although i don't live in scotland) But let's be honest, Boris and his cabinet voted down a solution 3 times that would have been acceptable and are now hell bent on jumping off a cliff. It's a red rag to a bull

[Twosugars]

The mods are here to sort things out, there was no need for you to jump in at all. And as you now know you were way off the mark. Nicky doesn't need protecting from me, we disagree and yet are still friends.

Yes, Nicky says there was no need and I believe him. So accept my apologies. :)
Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

[Twosugars]

sometimes that isnt a good idea
Agree.

[Beso]

I was watching Jeremy Vine this morning bots and some Scots rang in and said a lot of them like Boris and its Nicola Sturgeon that is dividing the country and that she needs to stop concentrating so much on a having a vote to be independent and get to grips with the health services etc and they don't want to be separated from England, so not all Scots like her or want to separate, so not sure how that vote would go.:wavey:



Exactly the same as the last time...that is how it would go...Nicolas support is dropping day by day.

[Cherie]

My condolences. :(

:laugh:

[Twosugars]

Exactly the same as the last time...that is how it would go...Nicolas support is dropping day by day.
Really? I read her support has improved on johnson's election. A boris bounce if you will...

[Beso]

Really? I read her support has improved on johnson's election. A boris bounce if you will...

The polls are not to be believed on tibb.:nono:

[Twosugars]

The polls are not to be believed on tibb.:nono:
yours saying her support is slipping or mine saying it's growing?

[Kazanne]

My wife is English, has lived and worked in Scotland for 8 years and has literally never experienced any "anti-English bile". Yet you've experienced "quite a lot" on visits. That's a bit odd, isn't it.

Have you seen and heard them when the English are playing football.:laugh:

[Livia]

The polls are not to be believed on tibb.:nono:

… or anywhere else!

[arista]

1156220072160976898


In Wales Today he is talking Tough.



The EU has chance to to talk with him
if he gets his new deal on their table - a New Deal is Possible
digging your heals in on the backstop
will put us into No Deal.
So many are saying a General Election?
But Johnson has stated No
we leave the EU on the 31st of October.

[Twosugars]

Trying to shift the blame already.

[Twosugars]

One thing that people happy with a no deal forget is



Would it mean Brexit is finally over?
No. One of the biggest appeals about a no-deal Brexit for voters who support it is the idea of “getting it over with”, absorbing whatever chaos takes place and moving on to other priorities. But this is a fantasy. The UK could not trade perpetually on WTO terms and would need to make a permanent trade deal with the EU – involving just the same issues as before, such as a divorce payment, and arrangements for the Irish border. The main difference is that this would all need to happen as quickly as possible, without the buffer of a transition period running to the end of 2020.

[joeysteele]

As to Scotland.
If this PM continues with his Cabinet, down the hard no deal brexit road, and that comes about.

Then whatever the support is for Scotland's independence now, after a no deal, I'd expect support to rise considerably.

If the Prime Minister of the UK is not bothered about that, and it was stated Conservative party members felt losing Scotland was a price worth paying for a no deal brexit

Then the speculation at present looking at could Johnson be the last Prime Minister of the UK, could well become a reality.

If he risks that, he will be proven to have been a really dangerous individual to have ever been put in the highest office of the, ( at present), United Kingdom.

[arista]

Trying to shift the blame already.




No its the Former UK PM fault
Johnson says you can talk
only when you take away the backstop
He talking Tough.

The EU will not change
that's their one chance

[arista]

"As to Scotland.
If this PM continues with his Cabinet, down the hard no deal brexit road, and that comes about."


Joey this PM Johnson
is not giving Scotland a 2nd Vote on Independence.

The Scottish
are part of GB.

[bots]

"As to Scotland.
If this PM continues with his Cabinet, down the hard no deal brexit road, and that comes about."


Joey this PM Johnson
is not giving Scotland a 2nd Vote on Independence.

The Scottish
are part of GB.

that's not the way it works Arista, if the Scottish people make clear that they want a referendum, they will have one whether Boris wants it or not.

[arista]

that's not the way it works Arista, if the Scottish people make clear that they want a referendum, they will have one whether Boris wants it or not.



But they are not

[Twosugars]

No its the Former UK PM fault
Johnson says you can talk
only when you take away the backstop
He talking Tough.

The EU will not change
that's their one chance

EU cannot compromise the security of the common market bc johnson needs to keep his hardliners happy

[Twosugars]

"As to Scotland.
If this PM continues with his Cabinet, down the hard no deal brexit road, and that comes about."


Joey this PM Johnson
is not giving Scotland a 2nd Vote on Independence.

The Scottish
are part of GB.

The wise thing would be to let the second referendum happen. People dont take kindly to being denied like that. The brexit issue is a massive change in circumstances

[arista]

The wise thing would be to let the second referendum happen. People dont take kindly to being denied like that. The brexit issue is a massive change in circumstances


Brexit is first

[arista]

EU cannot compromise the security of the common market bc johnson needs to keep his hardliners happy



Yes we all know they will not change


It's not just his Members
It is Johnson , own Views

[user104658]

...for James...bringing this onto a new page...

It was ignored the first time because no one likes Scottish Tory propaganda so hopefully it'll be ignored again. I'll say this much though James: it's a rare quick glimpse of an admin political stance that's certainly cleared up a LOT of other questions I had previously.

[Marsh.]

It was ignored the first time because no one likes Scottish Tory propaganda so hopefully it'll be ignored again. I'll say this much though James: it's a rare quick glimpse of an admin political stance that's certainly cleared up a LOT of other questions I had previously.

:hehe:

[Oliver_W]

The Scottish
are part of GB.

Scotland will always be part of GB, barring an earthquake or meteor strike. GB is the "island mass" which has England, Wales, and Scotland.

They're not gonna leave the UK any time soon either, but still ;)

[James]

It was ignored the first time because no one likes Scottish Tory propaganda so hopefully it'll be ignored again. I'll say this much though James: it's a rare quick glimpse of an admin political stance that's certainly cleared up a LOT of other questions I had previously.

What.

What previous questions. I don't post about politics on here much. The Scottish Independence debate is about the only political subject I have strong views about.

[user104658]

What.



What previous questions. I don't post about politics on here much. The Scottish Independence debate is about the only political subject I have strong views about.It wasn't a reasoned or considered view James, the idea that everything the SNP does is some sort of nefarious independence plot is paranoid cereal box propaganda, and it somewhat explains why the moderation team has repeatedly expressed that their "hands are tied" when it comes to dealing with similar things.

[Twosugars]

Scotland will always be part of GB, barring an earthquake or meteor strike. GB is the "island mass" which has England, Wales, and Scotland.

They're not gonna leave the UK any time soon either, but still ;)

Ironically in the geological past most of Scotland was attached to what is now north America and England and Wales was a part of Europe.
The Channel only appeared 10 thousand years ago or so and before that the Thames was a tributary of the prehistoric Rhine which flowed north along what is now the North Sea bed

[Oliver_W]

Ironically in the geological past most of Scotland was attached to what is now north America and England and Wales was a part of Europe.
The Channel only appeared 10 thousand years ago or so and before that the Thames was a tributary of the prehistoric Rhine which flowed north along what is now the North Sea bed

haha this reminds me of something from when I was veeeeery young

I think Hong Kong had either just become independent or it was one of its early anniversaries, there was a thing on the news about it followed immediately with footage from the Titanic's departure (or some ship anyway) and the two things mushed into one in my young mind, so I thought Hong Kong was literally being waved off as it left the mainland to become independent ...

[arista]

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[James]

It wasn't a reasoned or considered view James, the idea that everything the SNP does is some sort of nefarious independence plot is paranoid cereal box propaganda, and it somewhat explains why the moderation team has repeatedly expressed that their "hands are tied" when it comes to dealing with similar things.

I was joking a bit when I said 'considered' because I was trying to stop people arguing on the forum.

The whole reason for the SNP's existence is to get independence, and I genuinely think that a big part of their pro-EU position is to contrast with the English right-wing. If Scotland became independent I bet you a lot of SNP politicians would become Eurosceptic.

No idea what you are on about with the moderation team.

[joeysteele]

"As to Scotland.
If this PM continues with his Cabinet, down the hard no deal brexit road, and that comes about."


Joey this PM Johnson
is not giving Scotland a 2nd Vote on Independence.

The Scottish
are part of GB.


He won't really morally or politically refuse to, without causing a near constitutional crisis also over it.

If the Scots swing strongly behind the SNP and its clear the Scottish Nation wants a new vote.

He really will ignore that and deny granting it too, with dire likely political consequences for him, his Party and the UK Parliament even.

[user104658]

I was joking a bit when I said 'considered' because I was trying to stop people arguing on the forum.



The whole reason for the SNP's existence is to get independence, and I genuinely think that a big part of their pro-EU position is to contrast with the English right-wing. If Scotland became independent I bet you a lot of SNP politicians would become Eurosceptic.



No idea what you are on about with the moderation team.

10 years ago under Salmond maybe, and they have a slat to the agenda in Westminster obviously, but they've been in active government in Scotland for a significant period of time now and to describe them as a one-policy party is really off the mark. Just totally inaccurate, and quite obviously so.

Also the idea that "the SNP don't represent the views of many people up here" is bizarre given the outcome of the recent EU elections, and the fact that that they've formed a government in the last two Scottish general elections? Who are you suggesting is MORE representative?

[Twosugars]

haha this reminds me of something from when I was veeeeery young

I think Hong Kong had either just become independent or it was one of its early anniversaries, there was a thing on the news about it followed immediately with footage from the Titanic's departure (or some ship anyway) and the two things mushed into one in my young mind, so I thought Hong Kong was literally being waved off as it left the mainland to become independent ...

:laugh:

[arista]

Today Johnson PM
is in Northern Ireland.


https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/nhBYHiyVCSP0HSh4p_iXFw/https/media.fyre.co/AJsUw0QeSMEaPHNxiSQg_I%20front%20page.jpg

[arista]

Arlene Foster DUP Leader
in Belfast, went Live on GMBHD itv , BBC1AM and SkyNewsHD
she said its not about money
and she stands with Johnson PM
on removing the Backstop.


GMBHD itv also had Live from Belfast
the Blonde Sinn Fein Co-Leader

[Twosugars]

Any future US-UK trade deal would almost certainly be blocked by the US Congress if Brexit affects the Irish border and jeopardises peace in Northern Ireland, congressional leaders and diplomats have warned.

Pete King, the Republican co-chair of the Friends of Ireland group, said the threat to abandon the backstop and endanger the open border was a “needless provocation”, adding that his party would have no compunction about defying Trump over the issue.

“I would think anyone who has a strong belief in Northern Ireland and the Good Friday agreement the open border would certainly be willing to go against the president,” King said.

In the event of a hard Brexit, in the absence of guarantees for the Northern Ireland agreement, the strength of sentiment among Irish Americans – a tenth of the population, many of them in swing states – could make it an issue in next year’s presidential and congressional elections.




Oop

[Cherie]

Today Johnson PM
is in Northern Ireland.


https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/nhBYHiyVCSP0HSh4p_iXFw/https/media.fyre.co/AJsUw0QeSMEaPHNxiSQg_I%20front%20page.jpg

I see he is trying to woo back all those that jumped ship at Mrs May's dementia tax :laugh:

[arista]

I see he is trying to woo back all those that jumped ship at Mrs May's dementia tax :laugh:



Sure
every vote counts

[James]

.....Also the idea that "the SNP don't represent the views of many people up here" is bizarre given the outcome of the recent EU elections, and the fact that that they've formed a government in the last two Scottish general elections? Who are you suggesting is MORE representative?

I've checked the results and they got 38% in the last European election and 37% in the 2017 UK parliament election. The most votes of any party, but quite a bit short of half.

It was ignored the first time because no one likes Scottish Tory propaganda so hopefully it'll be ignored again.....

Going back to this... the Liberal Democrats and Labour are unionist parties also, and the Labour party has the most most left-wing leader they have had in many years. So anti-independence is not just a Scottish Tory thing.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1156499383225073665/8BD6rBxH?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

[Sajid Javid is announcing an emergency spending
blitz of more than £2bn to prepare
for a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.
In a major policy shift after he succeeded
pro-Remain Philip Hammond as chancellor,
there will be an immediate Brexit cash boost of £1.1bn.
Leading Tory Brexiteers have claimed
Mr Hammond, who has now vowed to
oppose no-deal from the back benches,
"handicapped" preparation.]

https://news.sky.com/story/no-deal-brexit-plans-turbo-charged-with-2bn-treasury-cash-boost-11774392


Bloody Phil.

[Ammi]

...I hate to think what the financial cost of this all to the country...it would have gone a long way to address some shortfalls in making ‘Britain great again..’....instead lets pop it in the Brexit pot in case we find we don’t know what the heck we’re doing...

[arista]

...I hate to think what the financial cost of this all to the country...it would have gone a long way to address some shortfalls in making ‘Britain great again..’....instead lets pop it in the Brexit pot in case we find we don’t know what the heck we’re doing...



Johnson PM
is going to leave 31st Oct 11PM Thursday
So Friday 1st November
will be another Black Friday.

[Twosugars]

Johnson PM
is going to leave 31st Oct 11PM Thursday
So Friday 1st November
will be another Black Friday.

Black Friday? :laugh: not the dawn of your "independence " from bad eu?
Quickly to be replaced by servitude to the " glorious" US

[AnnieK]

In my opinion, as soon as Johnson was elected we were always going to be facing a no deal exit, no time to broker a new deal and get it through, his refusal to go Brussels etc shows his contempt for the EU so we will just have to buckle up and get prepared for crashing out hard

[arista]

The Governor of The Bank Of England (SkyNewsHD Live)
is ready for a No Deal Exit
WTO Tariffs will come in,

And on the Global Economy
it is a unwelcome shock.
Supply Chains can change,


[BOE Says Brexit Uncertainty Skews Forecasts, Keeps Rate on Hold]
Bloomberg,


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[joeysteele]

[Sajid Javid is announcing an emergency spending
blitz of more than £2bn to prepare
for a no-deal Brexit on 31 October.
In a major policy shift after he succeeded
pro-Remain Philip Hammond as chancellor,
there will be an immediate Brexit cash boost of £1.1bn.
Leading Tory Brexiteers have claimed
Mr Hammond, who has now vowed to
oppose no-deal from the back benches,
"handicapped" preparation.]

https://news.sky.com/story/no-deal-brexit-plans-turbo-charged-with-2bn-treasury-cash-boost-11774392


Bloody Phil.


Baroness Ros Altman who I admire greatly.
On the papers review last night.
Supported Labours view this was a waste of taxpayers money.

She rightly pointed out if, as Johnson says its a million to one chance of leaving with no deal.
Then this is a total waste of money.

She also indicate Conservative MPs opposed to no deal were not going to sit back.

[arista]

Yes But Labour are Not in Power.

[joeysteele]

Yes But Labour are Not in Power.

The point is, there are Conservatives who see this spending as ever growing and wasteful.

As like Baroness Altman, who is a highly respected Conservative peer, did you watch her?

She stated no deal is wrong, the PM is stating no deal is a million to one to happen, so why has 6 billion been spent on it.
She further indicated Conservative MPs opposed to it, will not allow it to happen.
Conservative MPs who will have the power.

[arista]

The point is, there are Conservatives who see this spending as ever growing and wasteful.

As like Baroness Altman, who is a highly respected Conservative peer, did you watch her?

She stated no deal is wrong, the PM is stating no deal is a million to one to happen, so why has 6 billion been spent on it.
She further indicated Conservative MPs opposed to it, will not allow it to happen.
Conservative MPs who will have the power.


Sure Altman
House Of Lords
is against this,
But it will not be stopped.

[arista]

[A day after the U.S. Federal Reserve reduced rates
for the first time since the global financial crisis,
the Bank of England said it still expected
to raise borrowing costs gradually - though this
now hinged on a global pick-up as
well as a “smooth” Brexit.

“Profound uncertainties over the
future of the global trading system
and the form that Brexit will take
are weighing on UK economic
performance,”
Bank of England Governor Mark Carney said
after the announcement.
“Until they are resolved,
shifting perceptions of these factors
will drive volatility in market interest rates,
equity prices and currencies’ values.”


With new Prime Minister Boris Johnson
committed to taking Britain
out of the European Union on Oct. 31 - regardless
of whether he can secure a transition deal - markets see
increased risks of a disorderly, no-deal Brexit. ]

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-boe-idUKKCN1UR4CP?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+ Content&utm_content=5d42e3ad08fd96000181bd85&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[joeysteele]

Sure Altman
House Of Lords
is against this,
But it will not be stopped.

Baroness Altman was talking about MPs not the Lords last night.

If it was blocked by Parliament and a general election ensued.

I wouldn't bet anything on voters backing a no deal Conservative manifesto.

[arista]

Baroness Altman was talking about MPs not the Lords last night.

If it was blocked by Parliament and a general election ensued.

I wouldn't bet anything on voters backing a no deal Conservative manifesto.


Sure can they Block it , though