Caroline Flack found Dead

[Wizard.]

She was on my mind all day yesterday. I couldn't even sleep. :(

I had to say a prayer to Caroline.... “I’m so sorry Caroline, that nobody was there to help you. I’m sorry that people were so cruel and that you felt this was your only way out. I’m sorry that society failed you, and all of the others that are there with you now. I hope it’s peaceful where you are, but you should be here living your life”

[Ammi]

...I think it’s as someone has just said on the radio...the unnecessary things written about her in these articles that are as much click/bait opinion and slant, as they are fact...wouldn’t be the reason for her unstable emotional and mental health ...but everything will have possibly contributed another ‘layer’...the only ‘control’ we’ll ever have over that is the control we have with ourselves and how we ourselves, contribute...how we add...

[Tony Montana]

I had to say a prayer to Caroline.... “I’m so sorry Caroline, that nobody was there to help you. I’m sorry that people were so cruel and that you felt this was your only way out. I’m sorry that society failed you, and all of the others that are there with you now. I hope it’s peaceful where you are, but you should be here living your life”

Beautiful prayer. :love: :clap1:

[GoldHeart]

Yes ,people were happy to read all the salacious stuff but not the other side, the tabloids were vile to MJ , no denying that , poor guy couldn't breath for them, the child abuse must have been nectar to them ,bloody leeches, as for Caroline,they really gunned for her aswell, they really do need to stop and think what they are doing to people.

They don't care about people's mental health though .

As the Britney song goes 'you want a piece of me ' , she knows exactly how horrible they can be. She was at her worst and still got harassed and tormented by them.

[Lostie!]

I can't remember the last time a celebrity death shocked me this much. Ridiculously sad.

[Oliver_W]

To me, she'll always be Michael Jackson's sidekick Bubbles in Bo Selecta <3 The time she ate his vomit <3

[Livia]

No one on here knows anything about what happened when Caroline was arrested. Yet I've read some despicable posts on here, including seeing her referred to as a paedophile. Some of those old threads make uncomfortable reading.

She's was obviously a very troubled young woman. I'll remember her as the beautiful, vibrant woman who won Strictly.

[arista]

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[user104658]

No one on here knows anything about what happened when Caroline was arrested. Yet I've read some despicable posts on here, including seeing her referred to as a paedophile. Some of those old threads make uncomfortable reading.

She's was obviously a very troubled young woman. I'll remember her as the beautiful, vibrant woman who won Strictly.

Thankfully, no one on here is crass enough to use her death to have a pop at other forum members.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's my reading too.

Hounded. Even on this forum, not so long ago.

As Josy said in the free of speech case thread, hateful words have consequences

Thankfully, no one on here is crass enough to use her death to have a pop at other forum members.

id suggest having a reread, here is the first, some have been cleaned up thankfully

[SherzyK]

This thread was created to pay whatever respect and or tribute to Caroline but people who use it to create arguments need to take a hard look at themselves.

[Epic.]

This thread was created to pay whatever respect and or tribute to Caroline but people who use it to create arguments need to take a hard look at themselves.

Couldn't have said it any better myself

[Tony Montana]

This thread was created to pay whatever respect and or tribute to Caroline but people who use it to create arguments need to take a hard look at themselves.

:clap1:

[thesheriff443]

It’s been reported that she was told a few hours before she died that cps was going ahead with the case.

[thesheriff443]

This thread was created to pay whatever respect and or tribute to Caroline but people who use it to create arguments need to take a hard look at themselves.

This thread was not a thread to honour Caroline’s death!

It’s a thread that says she has died by taking her own life.

Members can bring up the hypocrisy of some members that where giving her abuse without hearing all the evidence and then come in this thread praising her and calling the papers scum when they themselves were hanging her after reading what the papers had written.

Some people need to wind their heads in, it’s an embarrassment to read.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This thread was created to pay whatever respect and or tribute to Caroline but people who use it to create arguments need to take a hard look at themselves.

er no its a news thread and the same discussions are going on over in Spy, Mumsnet, Tattle and any forum you care to visit.

[Nicky91]

just also been highlighted at germany's RTL+ Exclusiv-Weekend, basically most of her life

[Twosugars]

id suggest having a reread, here is the first, some have been cleaned up thankfully

Yes. What was cleaned up was your response to that post of mine. Yours and Alf's.
I wonder why? :think:

[Twosugars]

This thread was not a thread to honour Caroline’s death!

It’s a thread that says she has died by taking her own life.

Members can bring up the hypocrisy of some members that where giving her abuse without hearing all the evidence and then come in this thread praising her and calling the papers scum when they themselves were hanging her after reading what the papers had written.

Some people need to wind their heads in, it’s an embarrassment to read.

I call that rag Scum bc it is.
And I never had a go at her before. The opposite, I defended her when she was called a nonce on this forum.
So don't make broad statements.


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359146&page=2

[Crimson Dynamo]

No one on here knows anything about what happened when Caroline was arrested. Yet I've read some despicable posts on here, including seeing her referred to as a paedophile. Some of those old threads make uncomfortable reading.

She's was obviously a very troubled young woman. I'll remember her as the beautiful, vibrant woman who won Strictly.

I think it was this thread. Plenty having a laugh about it...:skull:


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359146&page=2

[AnnieK]

I think it was this thread. Plenty having a laugh about it...:skull:


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359146&page=2

And equal numbers disputing it :shrug:

There have been not nice things said about Caroline by a number of members in previous threads, you included but is now really a time to be dragging these things up.

The girl is dead....for whatever reason she decided this life was not worth living. Her family, friends and fans are grieving. Is now a time to try and point score. :sad:

[Twosugars]

I think it was this thread. Plenty having a laugh about it...:skull:


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359146&page=2

There were more

I think if you look at all her threads you are having a laugh too :skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Looks like Fathers 4 Justice did not help in her suicide

Caroline Flack hit out at 'horrible' campaign group Fathers For Justice after they dubbed her an 'abuser' over her domestic violence court case, Kerry Katona reveals

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/16/10/24801094-8009475-image-a-4_1581850686090.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/16/10/24800552-8009475-image-m-5_1581850752726.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009475/Kerry-Katona-reveals-Caroline-Flack-messaged-Fathers-Justice-abuse.html

[Jigs]

I couldn't believe this news when I heard. I thought (and desperately hoped) it was just a hoax. Caroline hasn't left my thoughts since this news broke 24 hours ago. It shocks and saddens me that such a charismatic, prominent and CURRENT television host has lost her life to, of all things, suicide. As a society we are moving at such a quick pace with regard to technological advances and our interconnectedness with eachother via means such as social media; and although this can be a great thing which we can all benefit from, it also proves in equal measures to be damning and dangerous.

This time last year Flack was at the top of her game. Strictly, Love Island, heck even The X(tra) Factor made her a household name who might not have been loved by all, but was certainly recognised as an key figure in British culture. Media speculation was always rife about her but at least she seemed to be coping. I can't wrap my head around that she's gone. I am very happy she's being given the respect she deserves by her colleagues, friends and anyone that knew her. She was clearly a lovely woman and had that cheeky, geezer-bird-ish quality about her which so many people gravitate to and love. It's absurd that we have to witness such a beautiful, outgoing and successful person be pushed to the point where she has to take her own life. Absurd.

[Alf]

Let's be real here, she could have well faced a prison sentence. What she did could be classed as GBH or ABH one of the two, or even attempted murder.

I think that, along with career and financial losses, that was the reason she resorted to this.

My best mate committed suicide in 2014, it came totally out of the Blue, and was shocking, because to me, that wasn't him. But the thought of him possibly going to prison spiralled him into depression in no time, and that was that.

[Marsh.]

Looks like Fathers 4 Justice did not help in her suicide

Caroline Flack hit out at 'horrible' campaign group Fathers For Justice after they dubbed her an 'abuser' over her domestic violence court case, Kerry Katona reveals

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/16/10/24801094-8009475-image-a-4_1581850686090.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/16/10/24800552-8009475-image-m-5_1581850752726.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009475/Kerry-Katona-reveals-Caroline-Flack-messaged-Fathers-Justice-abuse.html

Wow, I hadn't seen half of the stuff that is coming out. Too much for one person to deal with after just 1 incident we didn't even know the full story of. Disgusting.

[Wizard.]

Looks like Fathers 4 Justice did not help in her suicide

Caroline Flack hit out at 'horrible' campaign group Fathers For Justice after they dubbed her an 'abuser' over her domestic violence court case, Kerry Katona reveals

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/16/10/24801094-8009475-image-a-4_1581850686090.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/16/10/24800552-8009475-image-m-5_1581850752726.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009475/Kerry-Katona-reveals-Caroline-Flack-messaged-Fathers-Justice-abuse.html

They should be ashamed tbh

[Amy Jade]

Sorry but why were Fathers For Justice going after her? Shouldn't they be scaling buildings dressed as spiderman to hold banners nobody reads?

[Marsh.]

It really makes no sense. It's almost like they're saying "fathers stopped from seeing their kids due to domestic abuse should be allowed to because look women can be abusers too". The message makes zero sense.

[Marsh.]

But if the thirst of the baying public wasn't there in the first place then the press wouldn't be either.

The public wouldn't lap it up if it wasn't there to begin with.

[Tony Montana]

Looks like Fathers 4 Justice did not help in her suicide

Caroline Flack hit out at 'horrible' campaign group Fathers For Justice after they dubbed her an 'abuser' over her domestic violence court case, Kerry Katona reveals

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/16/10/24801094-8009475-image-a-4_1581850686090.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/16/10/24800552-8009475-image-m-5_1581850752726.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009475/Kerry-Katona-reveals-Caroline-Flack-messaged-Fathers-Justice-abuse.html

****ing horrific!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wow, I hadn't seen half of the stuff that is coming out. Too much for one person to deal with after just 1 incident we didn't even know the full story of. Disgusting.

i mean she isnt even married, how low a blow, father4justice are vile

[Cal.]

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[Morgan.]

OwsMrPSA1i0

I get chills every time.

[Amy Jade]

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This broke my heart

[Amy Jade]

Laura Whitmore's words actually really hit home for me.

I think we are all guilty of it it some way, shape or form but it's not my place to preach so I'll just speak for myself. I look and think back to some of the things I've said and shes right, I should be ashamed - just this past series I was laughing at Connors teeth and really it was pathetic, he obviously had veneers to cover up an insecurity and I came on here and on whatsapp and called him names and its not cute its mean, I got caught up in the moment and just post stuff I find amusing and say it's ok because it's only seen by a select few but it's really not, its cruel and so uncalled for, I could have easily just said he wasnt my cup of tea or I found him beige or better still just ignored him and made comments on things I like or just situations instead.

I need to do better and I will in the future.

[Zizu]

Laura Whitmore's words actually really hit home for me.

I think we are all guilty of it it some way, shape or form but it's not my place to preach so I'll just speak for myself. I look and think back to some of the things I've said and shes right, I should be ashamed - just this past series I was laughing at Connors teeth and really it was pathetic, he obviously had veneers to cover up an insecurity and I came on here and on whatsapp and called him names and its not cute its mean, I got caught up in the moment and just post stuff I find amusing and say it's ok because it's only seen by a select few but it's really not, its cruel and so uncalled for, I could have easily just said he wasnt my cup of tea or I found him beige or better still just ignored him and made comments on things I like or just situations instead.

I need to do better and I will in the future.



Yes , nicely put

.. I’ve possibly been over critical of Jess ..I will also make some much needed adjustments in my approach to life


As the lady herself said ..

“ In a world where you can be anything .... be kind .”


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[Alf]

Laura Whitmore's words actually really hit home for me.

I think we are all guilty of it it some way, shape or form but it's not my place to preach so I'll just speak for myself. I look and think back to some of the things I've said and shes right, I should be ashamed - just this past series I was laughing at Connors teeth and really it was pathetic, he obviously had veneers to cover up an insecurity and I came on here and on whatsapp and called him names and its not cute its mean, I got caught up in the moment and just post stuff I find amusing and say it's ok because it's only seen by a select few but it's really not, its cruel and so uncalled for, I could have easily just said he wasnt my cup of tea or I found him beige or better still just ignored him and made comments on things I like or just situations instead.

I need to do better and I will in the future.I disagree, you shouldn't be ashamed. Connor looked like Tiger Roll.

It's not mean, because you're not mean. You're just doing what everybody else does. We all insult people from time to time.

You'll be back to slagging me and others off soon, because that's natural. And I'll be fine with that.

[Zizu]

I disagree, you shouldn't be ashamed. Connor looked like Tiger Roll.



It's not mean, because you're not mean. You're just doing what everybody else does. We all insult people from time to time.



You'll be back to slagging me and others off soon, because that's natural. And I'll be fine with that.



I actually think some good could come out of this tragedy if only of some people start being kinder and more tolerant of others .

Sadly real bad people will always exist


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[Kazanne]

I actually think some good could come out of this tragedy if only of some people start being kinder and more tolerant of others .

Sadly real bad people will always exist


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Exactly, I reigned myself in a while ago, as I have in the past give some of the BB contestants a hard time , but I would never want to be cruel,people can't help their looks,so comments about that are a no no to me now and to be honest uts quite childish, but I wonder how long it will be before people forget this lesson to be kind.

[Kazanne]

I disagree, you shouldn't be ashamed. Connor looked like Tiger Roll.

It's not mean, because you're not mean. You're just doing what everybody else does. We all insult people from time to time.

You'll be back to slagging me and others off soon, because that's natural. And I'll be fine with that.

No Alf, its mean to call peoples looks out it may not bother you and that's fine, but it could bother others and there is the danger,not everyone is broad shouldered like you, we really should think a bit more and try at least to be kinder.

[Zizu]

No Alf, its mean to call peoples looks out it may not bother you and that's fine, but it could bother others and there is the danger,not everyone is broad shouldered like you, we really should think a bit more and try at least to be kinder.



I think a few of us have already said that we will make positive adjustments to the way we are with others .. that should also apply to how we speak to each other in this very forum though ..


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[Alf]

Please don't be kind to me, I find it embarrassing, especially when it's forced, fake kindness. I prefer honesty.

[Marsh.]

The alternative to unnecessary nastiness should be nothing, not fake kindness.

[Zizu]

Please don't be kind to me, I find it embarrassing, especially when it's forced, fake kindness. I prefer honesty.



Well it won’t be fake kindness though ... that’s the point , my good friend :)


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[Amy Jade]

Please don't be kind to me, I find it embarrassing, especially when it's forced, fake kindness. I prefer honesty.

You can be honest without being unkind though that's the point.

[Beso]

I'm sorry, but celebrity deaths don't shock me.


They don't even make me emotional.

I pity the death and the family left behind, but I just gape in disbelief that it takes a celeb to die for such an out pouring of emotion, guilt and pity.

[Marsh.]

I'm sorry, but celebrity deaths don't shock me.


They don't even make me emotional.

I pity the death and the family left behind, but I just gape in disbelief that it takes a celeb to die for such an out pouring of emotion, guilt and pity.

Not really. It takes a celeb death for a public display of guilt about what led to that death.

People aren't going to be discussing their family's deaths on public platforms like this.

The comparison is not valid.

[Beso]

Not really. It takes a celeb death for a public display of guilt about what led to that death.

People aren't going to be discussing their family's deaths on public platforms like this.

The comparison is not valid.

Don't start trying to argue my opinion :nono:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[thesheriff443]

I’m sorry but there is no way you would talk to a news paper if you was heartbroken.

[Mystic Mock]

I call that rag Scum bc it is.
And I never had a go at her before. The opposite, I defended her when she was called a nonce on this forum.
So don't make broad statements.


https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359146&page=2

God that thread ages badly now.

[Mystic Mock]

Please don't be kind to me, I find it embarrassing, especially when it's forced, fake kindness. I prefer honesty.

I think you can be honest about having issues with someone without having to be brutal about them.

[Ammi]

...’you don’t have to tear people down to feel good about yourself’....but that’s largely what a keyboard warrior/type does...the attention they crave comes largely from negative attention... self validation through negative attention seeking behaviour wasn’t created by the internet...but the very nature of Internet life has created a perfect platform for it...

...there are lots of articles obviously on why people troll...I’m going to link this one, though...it’s a good article and really worthy of a read... and it also has a specific reference to a Love Island contestant in there, which is very applicable to talking points atm...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zfmkrj6

[Strictly Jake]

Its occasions like this that make us think twice about what we say or write but that doesnt last for long and we go back to square one of being insulting and mean

I saw the same reaction when the Jesy Nelson documentary came on everyone was horrified and decided they were going to be nice but it didnt last long

Unfortunately it will be a matter of weeks before everyone starts using trolling terminology again

[bots]

the fundamental problem is that we are creating generations of people that are over reliant on the state protecting them from the big bad world. People shouldn't care less what others say about them, it certainly shouldn't be affecting their mental well being. People need to be taught how to cope when everything doesn't go the way they want it to. That is the fundamental failing that leads to situations like this.

[AnnieK]

From reading the articles it would appear Caroline was most worried about body cam footage of her being shown in the court. She had self harmed and was in a state of undress. She was terrified of the world seeing her like that. I think she should have been receiving more help for her mental health, paramedics were called the night before she took her life but she was coherent and so they left her at home. Just so sad.

[Kazanne]

Its occasions like this that make us think twice about what we say or write but that doesnt last for long and we go back to square one of being insulting and mean

I saw the same reaction when the Jesy Nelson documentary came on everyone was horrified and decided they were going to be nice but it didnt last long

Unfortunately it will be a matter of weeks before everyone starts using trolling terminology again

Yes,i feel that will be the case aswell.

[arista]

CPS notified her last week
that the Court was going ahead.
Thats there job.

Do the Crime - Do the Time.

But of course
Flack stuck in her Flat
had nothing else to do but go online.
If only she went on a short Holiday?

[arista]

From reading the articles it would appear Caroline was most worried about body cam footage of her being shown in the court. She had self harmed and was in a state of undress. She was terrified of the world seeing her like that. I think she should have been receiving more help for her mental health, paramedics were called the night before she took her life but she was coherent and so they left her at home. Just so sad.


Yes all the blood
Of Course her fella let her off
but once the Police record something
its can not be stopped.

[Morgan.]

CPS notified her last week
that the Court was going ahead.
Thats there job.

Do the Crime - Do the Time.

But of course
Flack stuck in her Flat
had nothing else to do but go online.
If only she went on a short Holiday?

Arista, she’d just come back from LA after spending some time out of there to get away from the stress and pressure and unwind before the trial went ahead.

[Saph]

was her death an intentional suicide? or was it accidental?

[arista]

Arista, she’d just come back from LA after spending some time out of there to get away from the stress and pressure and unwind before the trial went ahead.


Yes thats true
although I am sure she may have been Job Hunting?

[arista]

was her death an intentional suicide? or was it accidental?


Yes we are yet to be told.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I’m sorry but there is no way you would talk to a news paper if you was heartbroken.

Indeed, if her very boyfriend talked to The Sun the next day about how he was feeling i think it would tell you that it wasnt "the media" that was responsible for her death...

[Beso]

I’m sorry but there is no way you would talk to a news paper if you was heartbroken.

People deal with grief in different ways, there is no right and wrong.

[Twosugars]

Indeed, if her very boyfriend talked to The Sun the next day about how he was feeling i think it would tell you that it wasnt "the media" that was responsible for her death...

That's also her boyfriend's doing?

They have a lot to apologise for,
https://i.imgur.com/WqEfGgj.jpg

[Niamh.]

The Sun's things that rhyme with "Flack" headlines are so juvenile and unimaginative

[thesheriff443]

People deal with grief in different ways, there is no right and wrong.

Look if you run of to the papers that where putting your girlfriends life and yours on the front page for the paper sell more copies then you are as bad as the papers.

You don’t see her family running to the papers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Sun's things that rhyme with "Flack" headlines are so juvenile and unimaginative

they are ideal for the readership

[Crimson Dynamo]

Her agent would have been on at the SUn all the time to run stories about her - as the biggest selling tabloid it would be first port of call.

[rusticgal]

I disagree, you shouldn't be ashamed. Connor looked like Tiger Roll.

It's not mean, because you're not mean. You're just doing what everybody else does. We all insult people from time to time.

You'll be back to slagging me and others off soon, because that's natural. And I'll be fine with that.

I disagree...you should be ashamed for attacking peoples looks or build. We are not on this forum to trash physical features and body shame...we are here to comment on behaviour and personality.
Some comments on here about BB and LI contestants have been deplorable.

[Niamh.]

I disagree...you should be ashamed for attacking peoples looks or build. We are not on this forum to trash physical features and body shame...we are here to comment on behaviour and personality.
Some comments on here about BB and LI contestants have been deplorable.

Yeah absolutely agree with that

[rusticgal]

Look if you run of to the papers that where putting your girlfriends life and yours on the front page for the paper sell more copies then you are as bad as the papers.

You don’t see her family running to the papers.


Yes I agree...you sell your story to the very paper that exposed as much detail as possible and probably did not help her mental state...the day after she dies.
Not a good look...quite inappropriate imo.

[Mystic Mock]

the fundamental problem is that we are creating generations of people that are over reliant on the state protecting them from the big bad world. People shouldn't care less what others say about them, it certainly shouldn't be affecting their mental well being. People need to be taught how to cope when everything doesn't go the way they want it to. That is the fundamental failing that leads to situations like this.

I don't think that many people are prepared to go on the Internet to be insulted in every way imaginable tbf.

[GoldHeart]

Yes I agree...you sell your story to the very paper that exposed as much detail as possible and probably did not help her mental state...the day after she dies.
Not a good look...quite inappropriate imo.

This is why i think there was alot going on that we're not being told, the boyfriend sounds like he has issues aswell. Why do people keep going to The sleazy Sun to sell stories :bored: .

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is why i think there was alot going on that we're not being told, the boyfriend sounds like he has issues aswell. Why do people keep going to The sleazy Sun to sell stories :bored: .

they pay the best

[Beso]

So she had a friend staying with her, offering help. Then she tops herself when he's out at the shop..Im sorry but I find that so selfish and cruel..

[Alf]

I disagree...you should be ashamed for attacking peoples looks or build. We are not on this forum to trash physical features and body shame...we are here to comment on behaviour and personality.
Some comments on here about BB and LI contestants have been deplorable.What is this? Some kind of new religion? Something to fill the void that's been left by the rejection of Christianity?

[Jessica.]

So she had a friend staying with her, offering help. Then she tops herself when he's out at the shop..Im sorry but I find that so selfish and cruel..

You obviously don't understand depression.

[Beso]

You obviously don't understand depression.

What an absurd thing to say..


She had many friends contacting her in her last few days, she had people staying with her..but she did this..sorry but I still find it cruel and selfish of her especially when people were reaching out to her.

[Jessica.]

What an absurd thing to say..


She had many friends contacting her in her last few days, she had people staying with her..but she did this..sorry but I still find it cruel and selfish of her especially when people were reaching out to her.

When a person is feeling low enough to take their own life then they can't think rationally. Selfish is the opposite of what she was, a selfish person would do anything to live.

[Crimson Dynamo]

When a person is feeling low enough to take their own life then they can't think rationally. Selfish is the opposite of what she was, a selfish person would do anything to live.

Its not selfish to want to live!

[Jessica.]

Its not selfish to want to live!

Holding the value of your own life over everything else is selfish to me. Thinking you deserve to die is self-hate. You don't think about the affect it would have on other people because you feel like nobody would even miss you when you're that low.

[Crimson Dynamo]

From an interview in The Mirror (a tabloid)

In one interview, Caroline said: "It all started the day after I won Strictly. I woke up and felt like somebody had covered my body in clingfilm.

“I couldn’t get up and just couldn’t pick myself up at all that next year.

"I felt ridiculous, being so sad when I’d just won the biggest show on telly and had such an amazing job.”

later in the same interview she says

"I certainly hate talking about my feelings. And being a burden is my biggest fear…

“I’m lucky to be able to pick myself up when things feel ****."

(a contradiction :shrug:)


https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/caroline-flacks-brave-battle-depression-21505495

She was given anti-depressants but not sure is she was ever diagnosed with anything?

[Matthew.]

What an absurd thing to say..


She had many friends contacting her in her last few days, she had people staying with her..but she did this..sorry but I still find it cruel and selfish of her especially when people were reaching out to her.

I’m not trying to start an argument with you but what I find cruel and selfish is this type of comment.

[Beso]

I’m not trying to start an argument with you but what I find cruel and selfish is this type of comment.


Why..explain why!

That's nothing more than a cheep dig at me.

[Jessica.]

Why..explain why!

That's nothing more than a cheep dig at me.

It's not a cheap dig, I agree with him.

[Matthew.]

Why..explain why!

That's nothing more than a cheep dig at me.

It’s really not anything at “you” and I’m sorry if my came across that way to you. I think it’s cruel and selfish to condemn people for committing suicide, sorry if that’s offensive to you. I wasn’t necessarily a big fan of Caroline either, but there’s really no need to make nasty comments about her death like that :shrug:

[Tony Montana]

What an absurd thing to say..


She had many friends contacting her in her last few days, she had people staying with her..but she did this..sorry but I still find it cruel and selfish of her especially when people were reaching out to her.

Have you ever been depressed in your life? Have you ever felt so low that you feel like you can't talk to anyone, and that you feel that suicide is the only escape?

That's what depression can do to you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

wait we do not know the cause of her suicide, it could have been a cry for help that went tragically wrong

[Niamh.]

What an absurd thing to say..


She had many friends contacting her in her last few days, she had people staying with her..but she did this..sorry but I still find it cruel and selfish of her especially when people were reaching out to her.

People suffering with depression think they're doing people a favour by taking their own lives, it's not done out of selfishness, they're not thinking with a rational or healthy mind

[Jigs]

To end your life is to see nothing - or NO ONE - worth living for. That includes friends, family and colleagues alike. Had there been any sort of rational thinking about who she was leaving behind, I am sure she wouldn't have done it.

We know she had support from those around her but that doesn't make her selfish for doing what she did. There is nothing more powerful than the human mind so when that psyche becomes increasingly warped and damaged there is nothing that can be done to overpower it.

[Zizu]

What an absurd thing to say..





She had many friends contacting her in her last few days, she had people staying with her..but she did this..sorry but I still find it cruel and selfish of her especially when people were reaching out to her.



Sadly you’re only allowed an opinion in here if it lines up with what the gang are going with ..

Playground bullying at it’s best ..

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[Niamh.]

Sadly you’re only allowed an opinion in here if it lines up with what the gang are going with ..


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Everyone is allowed an opinion, and people are allowed to disagree with that opinion too

[Zizu]

Everyone is allowed an opinion, and people are allowed to disagree with that opinion too
Well thankfully you’re one of the more reasonable, level headed ones .

There is a strong mob rule mentality though .. I felt the whole force last night .


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[Beso]

Have you ever been depressed in your life? Have you ever felt so low that you feel like you can't talk to anyone, and that you feel that suicide is the only escape?

That's what depression can do to you.



Yes I've had all that and failed in a suicide bid at one of my lowest ebbs...Im so grateful now that I failed..

The thing with caroline though is she was talking to, and did talk to people...she has a strong network of friends and all her showbiz pals have tweeted they were giving her support in her final weeks and days.

[Jessica.]

Well thankfully you’re one of the more reasonable, level headed ones .

There is a strong mob rule mentality though .. I felt the whole force last night .


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The people who know what they are talking about will not just stand by and let people spread false information about mental health issues and suicide.

[Niamh.]

Well thankfully you’re one of the more reasonable, level headed ones .

There is a strong mob rule mentality though .. I felt the whole force last night .


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tbf Zizu, you weren't shy about telling people that they weren't allowed opinions either last night :p

[Beso]

It’s really not anything at “you” and I’m sorry if my came across that way to you. I think it’s cruel and selfish to condemn people for committing suicide, sorry if that’s offensive to you. I wasn’t necessarily a big fan of Caroline either, but there’s really no need to make nasty comments about her death like that :shrug:

They ain't nasty comments.:nono:

I disagree wholeheartedly with that view of yours that they are.

[Beso]

The people who know what they are talking about will not just stand by and let people spread false information about mental health issues and suicide.

I'm calling her act of suicide selfish and cruel.Not her mental issues, at least get that right before you come again

[Jessica.]

I'm calling her act of suicide selfish and cruel.Not her mental issues, at least get that right before you come again

The suicidal thoughts were a result of her poor mental health, they are related. You can't sink that low when you are well.

[Niamh.]

I just think it's too simplistic to call someone in that much pain and turmoil selfish. And I think it would be hurtful to those close to a person who does commit suicide to hear someone call their loved one that

[Zizu]

tbf Zizu, you weren't shy about telling people that they weren't allowed opinions either last night :p



I found myself in a corner and felt as though I was being overpowered with everyone joining in to criticise.

There were a few who were calling for the program to be axed that never watched Love Island nor contributed to the Winter Love Island thread . .. I thought that was unfair


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[Matthew.]

They ain't nasty comments.:nono:

I disagree wholeheartedly with that view of yours that they are.

Well I think referring to people who commit suicide as “cruel and selfish” is nasty, so I disagree wholeheartedly with that view of yours that it isn’t :hee:

[thesheriff443]

I just think it's too simplistic to call someone in that much pain and turmoil selfish. And I think it would be hurtful to those close to a person who does commit suicide to hear someone call their loved one that


To be honest if some wants to call her selfish they can because that’s their opinion of someone who takes their own life.

We may not agree with what they are saying but they are allowed to say it.

Suicide goes against the natural human instinct to survive, and someone must be a bad place to do.

But let’s not forget those that are left behind trying to come to terms with a death of this kind.

[Tom4784]

Well thankfully you’re one of the more reasonable, level headed ones .

There is a strong mob rule mentality though .. I felt the whole force last night .


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People are allowed to disagree with you, if you say something that a lot of people disagree with then it's within their right to say so.

You made out that this place only allows a certain kind of opinion but that's exactly what you are doing here, denouncing any views you dislike as nothing more than mob mentality.

[Tom4784]

I used to think suicide was selfish but then I grew up and understood it better.

Suicide is neither brave nor selfish, it's sad and tragic and nothing more. Let's not romanticise the act nor demonise the people who go through with it as weak, shall we?

[Niamh.]

To be honest if some wants to call her selfish they can because that’s their opinion of someone who takes their own life.

We may not agree with what they are saying but they are allowed to say it.

Suicide goes against the natural human instinct to survive, and someone must be a bad place to do.

But let’s not forget those that are left behind trying to come to terms with a death of this kind.

Believe me I don't forget about those people, I am one of those people

[Jessica.]

Believe me I don't forget about those people, I am one of those people

Me too

[Zizu]

People are allowed to disagree with you, if you say something that a lot of people disagree with then it's within their right to say so.



You made that this place only allows a certain kind of opinion but that's exactly what you are doing here, denouncing any views you dislike as nothing more than mob mentality.



I’m saying that playground bullying goes on .... you have a disagreement with ‘one of them’ and before you know it all the gang are joining in .

It’s not pleasant.


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[rusticgal]

Well thankfully you’re one of the more reasonable, level headed ones .

There is a strong mob rule mentality though .. I felt the whole force last night .


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I do have to agree with that...

[Zizu]

I used to think suicide was selfish but then I grew up and understood it better.

Suicide is neither brave nor selfish, it's sad and tragic and nothing more. Let's not romanticise the act nor demonise the people who go through with it as weak, shall we?



Wise words


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[Niamh.]

Me too

:hug:

[thesheriff443]

Believe me I don't forget about those people, I am one of those people

I can only offer my sympathy. Two separate families both of their sons killed them selves with out warning one by hanging,his brother found him and one with his dads shot gun, his mum found him.

[rusticgal]

So she had a friend staying with her, offering help. Then she tops herself when he's out at the shop..Im sorry but I find that so selfish and cruel..


The only time I consider suicide selfish is when someone jumps in front of a car or train....imagine the effect that has on the driver.

However...what she did was probably well planned..this is what suicidal people tend to do. It has a terrible effect on any friends or family whether they were there to help her or not. You really have to be somewhere dark to go there.

[rusticgal]

Believe me I don't forget about those people, I am one of those people


Sadly...me too.

[Beso]

The only time I consider suicide selfish is when someone jumps in front of a car or train....imagine the effect that has on the driver.

However...what she did was probably well planned..this is what suicidal people tend to do. It has a terrible effect on any friends or family whether they were there to help her or not. You really have to be somewhere dark to go there.


But surely allowing someone else (often a loved one)to find your body is as selfish as jumping in front of a train..

[Glenn.]

I used to think suicide was selfish but then I grew up and understood it better.

Suicide is neither brave nor selfish, it's sad and tragic and nothing more. Let's not romanticise the act nor demonise the people who go through with it as weak, shall we?

I was the same. Thankfully not anymore though.

[Niamh.]

Sadly...me too.

Sorry to hear that, it is an awful thing to come to terms with but I don't think blaming the person is the way to go. They were clearly in such bad place to do what they did, you can't apply rational thought to such a troubled mind

ETA : Obviously not saying that you'd done that Rustic

[Beso]

What if someone is awaiting trial for rape or abusing children then they commit suicide before facing trial..what do we call that?

[Jigs]

Well thankfully you’re one of the more reasonable, level headed ones .

There is a strong mob rule mentality though .. I felt the whole force last night .


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Hold yourself accountable for your own opinions. People don't disagree with you because it's you, they most likely just disagree with you because they genuinely have different views.

[rusticgal]

But surely allowing someone else (often a loved one)to find your body is as selfish as jumping in front of a train..


It’s traumatic to anyone that finds a body....but they don’t think that far ahead. She found a window of time and did it. Someone has to find them. I would say her friends and family were aware she was suicidal (only by reading today that she warned the police)...hence why a friend was staying with her.
Someone very close left a note on her back door not to enter call 999...but it’s not always that well thought out. Yes their is a selfish element to a degree but imagine what place you must be in to do such a thing...

[Niamh.]

What if someone is awaiting trial for rape or abusing children then they commit suicide before facing trial..what do we call that?

Well I would call rapists and pedophiles evil, they would get zero sympathy from me

[rusticgal]

Sorry to hear that, , you can't apply rational thought to such a troubled mind

ETA : Obviously not saying that you'd done that Rustic


Thank you...and for you too.

And your statement is so true...

[Marsh.]

I’m sorry but there is no way you would talk to a news paper if you was heartbroken.

Has he spoken to the newspaper or are they reporting on the statement he posted online?

[Ammi]

...I think that, thinking about a loved one who would find them is a rational thought...but suicide thoughts don’t have that rationality, they’re quite distorted...if any forethought were involved, it may possibly be more that of thinking of a ‘better without me...’...world for their family/friends etc...

[Beso]

Well I would call rapists and pedophiles evil, they would get zero sympathy from me

I think we all would...but how would you describe thier act of suicide to escape punishment?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think we all would...but how would you describe thier act of suicide to escape punishment?

That is what Epstein did

well to escape being in prison

[Niamh.]

I think we all would...but how would you describe thier act of suicide to escape punishment?

Cowardly probably, although if you're a rapist chances are you're going to get off anyway :shrug:

[Niamh.]

That is what Epstein did

well to escape being in prison

.............or did he

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5eb7e15ea4f569bfcf78e40942c2c369/tenor.gif?itemid=10587157

[Tony Montana]

I think we all would...but how would you describe thier act of suicide to escape punishment?

Obviously they're cowards for not facing their punishment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

.............or did he

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5eb7e15ea4f569bfcf78e40942c2c369/tenor.gif?itemid=10587157

:joker:


:worry:

[Zizu]

Hold yourself accountable for your own opinions. People don't disagree with you because it's you, they most likely just disagree with you because they genuinely have different views.


That maybe true on occasion but it’s becoming the norm in here recently.. since I had some minor disagreements with a couple of people ... sadly they’re in with the cool kids so guess who comes off worst ...

This is a recent thing , I’ve had no issues in the last ten years . My views have never changed


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[Crimson Dynamo]

That maybe true on occasion but it’s becoming the norm in here recently.. since I had some minor disagreements with a couple of people ... sadly they’re in with the cool kids so guess who comes off worst ...

This is a recent thing , I’ve had no issues in the last ten years . My views have never changed


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The knitting club was formed to combat this

Its like Star Wars - the Knitting Club are Luke SKywalker and Han solo and Spock and the group of whom you speak are DarthVader, the darkside and The Master


an eternal battle fought here and in a galaxy far away

[Jigs]

I don't think she was trying to evade any punishment. I thought there was a whole narrative forming that the blood on that night was hers and that she wasn't actually guilty of harming anyone but herself. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I've had.

She was allegedly very terrified about the prospect of police bodycam footage being shown in court and released to the public. She didn't want to be judged and scrutinized by the world. I don't know anyone who would want footage of them at their lowest point released into the public domain.

[Jigs]

That maybe true on occasion but it’s becoming the norm in here recently.. since I had some minor disagreements with a couple of people ... sadly they’re in with the cool kids so guess who comes off worst ...

This is a recent thing , I’ve had no issues in the last ten years . My views have never changed


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If there are people out there who deliberately disagree with you for the sake of it then they are not worth your time :hee:

[Denver]

Obviously we dont know the reason but I guess the public humiliation she faced/was about to face even harder would have been a tipping point for her

[Glenn.]

What if someone is awaiting trial for rape or abusing children then they commit suicide before facing trial..what do we call that?

You can’t compare mental health to rape and child abuse

[GoldHeart]

You can’t compare mental health to rape and child abuse

What about people that get wrongly accused of rape and child abuse ? , MJ is dead yet still gets abuse & hateful remarks made about him is that ok ? :facepalm: .

There was no proper evidence to prove he was guilty , yet the propaganda media brainwashes people.

[Beso]

You can’t compare mental health to rape and child abuse

Oh..ok..well when I do, give me a shout yeah!

[Beso]

Here's a little thought about social media.


Im sat watching the one show and gillian taylforth is on it...kath from eastenders.


I remember her being splashed all over the papers for suckling someone off on a motorway.

Imagine if social media had been about then!.


so maybe it is social media and the publics thirst for salacious gossip that are feeding the papers..:shrug:

[Ross.]

This is just so sad :(

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here's a little thought about social media.


Im sat watching the one show and gillian taylforth is on it...kath from eastenders.


I remember her being splashed all over the papers for suckling someone off on a motorway.

Imagine if social media had been about then!.


so maybe it is social media and the publics thirst for salacious gossip that are feeding the papers..:shrug:


parmy the "papers" the "media" are us

all of us

sadly there are people who think they are morally better than they actually are, they are not, they are probably worse

as you get older this dawns on you

until then its easier to blame a faceless thing that cant talk back and actually does not really exist..

[GoldHeart]

Here's a little thought about social media.


Im sat watching the one show and gillian taylforth is on it...kath from eastenders.


I remember her being splashed all over the papers for suckling someone off on a motorway.

Imagine if social media had been about then!.


so maybe it is social media and the publics thirst for salacious gossip that are feeding the papers..:shrug:


Hardly affected Taylforth's career, she played up the sex thing when she played characters in dramas.

I remember a strange documentary/ re enactment though of people demonstrating if it was possible to give head to someone while driving :facepalm:. 2 people actually volunteered to demonstrate like wtf it was so weird .

She also got caught on tape drunkenly mentioning oral sex, and the court used it against her.

[Marsh.]

Steph Davis raising money for her family with a song called Lights Out. :skull:

[Twosugars]

parmy the "papers" the "media" are us

all of us

sadly there are people who think they are morally better than they actually are, they are not, they are probably worse

as you get older this dawns on you

until then its easier to blame a faceless thing that cant talk back and actually does not really exist..

Bollox

Dont pretend you know and dont try to impose your standards on everyone.

There are plenty of good people around.
And arseholes should take responsibility for being arseholes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bollox

Dont pretend you know and dont try to impose your standards on everyone.

There are plenty of good people around.
And arseholes should take responsibility for being arseholes.

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[Strictly Jake]

Anyone still getting a bit of a shock when you see this on the news or see the thread title when you enter the forum. Like I know its happened but its so awful that its hard to believe it to be true

[Saph]

Steph Davis raising money for her family with a song called Lights Out. :skull:

we love a charitable queen :love:

giving me Lighthouse by GRL vibes

[Tony Montana]

Anyone still getting a bit of a shock when you see this on the news or see the thread title when you enter the forum. Like I know its happened but its so awful that its hard to believe it to be true

I do. It still hasn't properly sunk in.

[Lewismacfarlane]

Still a bit shocked by this pretty much everything she was a part of on telly i watched she was one of the good ones i think

[Beso]

parmy the "papers" the "media" are us

all of us

sadly there are people who think they are morally better than they actually are, they are not, they are probably worse

as you get older this dawns on you

until then its easier to blame a faceless thing that cant talk back and actually does not really exist..

I did delete some stuff from the post..about us being to blame....I deleted it cause I'm not thirsty for such salacious gossip so worded it as YOU...not perticularly you..but certainly towards people who are perched everytime the GC farts out of place..so I deleted that a bit..so I totally agree with your post..

[Beso]

Hardly affected Taylforth's career, she played up the sex thing when she played characters in dramas.

I remember a strange documentary/ re enactment though of people demonstrating if it was possible to give head to someone while driving :facepalm:. 2 people actually volunteered to demonstrate like wtf it was so weird .

She also got caught on tape drunkenly mentioning oral sex, and the court used it against her.



That's what I mean though...it did actually effect her career for years..Im sure she got the sack from eastenders..but my point is.

If social.media had been about then as well as the papers. Her mantal health may have been effected to an extent where the drama just don't go away cause of social media..thus plunging her into a situation like this one we have, unfortunate as it is.

[Beso]

Bollox

Dont pretend you know and dont try to impose your standards on everyone.

There are plenty of good people around.
And arseholes should take responsibility for being arseholes.


From a man that insults trumps appearance continually by calling him orange....

[Twosugars]

Bc he is orange and says stupid things. :laugh:

[Twosugars]

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Google translate huh

Grammar is all wrong

[GoldHeart]

That's what I mean though...it did actually effect her career for years..Im sure she got the sack from eastenders..but my point is.

If social.media had been about then as well as the papers. Her mantal health may have been effected to an extent where the drama just don't go away cause of social media..thus plunging her into a situation like this one we have, unfortunate as it is.

Did she actually get the sack ?, You would never of known seen as EE hired her again.

It was a long time ago so I don't remember all the details, but social media would of had an effect. But the media in general is enough to cause people damage.

[GoldHeart]

Bc he is orange and says stupid things. :laugh:

I always call him an orange pig

[Marsh.]

Gillian Taylforth did not get sacked. She was on the show another 5 years after that incident.

[Beso]

I always call him an orange pig

The media can be enough yes.especially when they hound people who don't want to be hounded...but the sort of comment you just made towards one person on social media..when repeated time and time again for them to see....will have a far far worse effect on that targeted individual.

Trump or flack..everyone is equal yeah?

Or deserves to be, hence the lgbtq uprising amongst other things:shrug:

[Beso]

Gillian Taylforth did not get sacked. She was on the show another 5 years after that incident.

Fair enough.it was a minor part of the scenario /point anyway

[Zizu]

Google translate huh



Grammar is all wrong



That’s baiting , to be fair


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[user104658]

parmy the "papers" the "media" are us



all of us



You keep repeating this. I feel like you had a little epiphany on the toilet a few days ago and you keep sharing it as wisdom, hoping for it to catch on, but honestly you've yet to give a convincing reasoning for it?

The papers and the media "are us"?

If you mean that the papers are purely profit-driven and are simply providing what sells/generates clicks then sure. In that sense, the media is driven by the general public rather than vice versa. Its still **** that they do it.

However you're not explaining how the baying mobs (the majority) who lap up the headlines and spaff them back out across social media represent "all".

It's not new information that the MAJORITY are thick chavs easily lead by the nose. That's been evident ... Forever, as far as I can tell. But don't conflate "majority" with "universal". It's an all too common mistake these days. "The Bwitish People want/don't want X, Y, Z!" because <60% of them say so. It's nonsense.

[GoldHeart]

Gillian Taylforth did not get sacked. She was on the show another 5 years after that incident.

I knew it , I didn't think she got sacked.
Like I said it didn't seem to affect her career as badly as that .

[AnnieK]

So if the media are us.....and we are the media....who were the ****ers chasing Princess Diana's car when it smashed into the tunnel?

[Beso]

So if the media are us.....and we are the media....who were the ****ers chasing Princess Diana's car when it smashed into the tunnel?

That was a different era...one before the poison of social media.


But I think they were mainly French men

[GoldHeart]

That was a different era...one before the poison of social media.


But I think they were mainly French men

Are you joking?? , All this emphasis on social media . When really before that the media & paparazzi were notorious for stalking & harassing .

All social media has done is add another layer to something that was already unhealthy and toxic.

[Beso]

Are you joking?? , All this emphasis on social media . When really before that the media & paparazzi were notorious for stalking & harassing .

All social media has done is add another layer to something that was already unhealthy and toxic.




I agree, bit it's that extra layer that seems to be the problem for individuals to deal with in my opinion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So if the media are us.....and we are the media....who were the ****ers chasing Princess Diana's car when it smashed into the tunnel?

We were as we wanted as much info about her life as we could create daily. If we did not

There would be no market. there was a market and it paid the most than ANY other story

BOOM

[Kazanne]

I know from personal experience how the press can ruin lives,I've had it first hand and I will never forgive them,they have no thought for the way they impact peoples lives, so for me the press are in the main scumbags and parasites.

[Twosugars]

That is a far right narrative that all people are like them.
If you show any ounce of empathy they denounce you as virtue signalling.
Trying to take us down to the gutter with them so that they dont stand out.
Very crude brainwashing attempt and will fail of course.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This far right thing is to much now, it's not healthy, let it go
Seriously

[Twosugars]

We were as we wanted as much info about her life as we could create daily. If we did not

There would be no market. there was a market and it paid the most than ANY other story

BOOM

That would work if 100 percent of population bought and read their toxic products.

I have news for you, they don't

[Crimson Dynamo]

Stop

[Twosugars]

This far right thing is to much now, it's not healthy, let it go
Seriously

Inconvenient truth?

You may enjoy being bamboozled, I don't

[AnnieK]

I know from personal experience how the press can ruin lives,I've had it first hand and I will never forgive them,they have no thought for the way they impact peoples lives, so for me the press are in the main scumbags and parasites.

:love:

[Twosugars]

Stop

Run out of arguments?

Good. I dont have time to continue this. Life to live.

[Twosugars]

You keep repeating this. I feel like you had a little epiphany on the toilet a few days ago and you keep sharing it as wisdom, hoping for it to catch on, but honestly you've yet to give a convincing reasoning for it?

The papers and the media "are us"?

If you mean that the papers are purely profit-driven and are simply providing what sells/generates clicks then sure. In that sense, the media is driven by the general public rather than vice versa. Its still **** that they do it.

However you're not explaining how the baying mobs (the majority) who lap up the headlines and spaff them back out across social media represent "all".

It's not new information that the MAJORITY are thick chavs easily lead by the nose. That's been evident ... Forever, as far as I can tell. But don't conflate "majority" with "universal". It's an all too common mistake these days. "The Bwitish People want/don't want X, Y, Z!" because <60% of them say so. It's nonsense.

:clap1:

[Tony Montana]

I know from personal experience how the press can ruin lives,I've had it first hand and I will never forgive them,they have no thought for the way they impact peoples lives, so for me the press are in the main scumbags and parasites.

:clap1:

[Kazanne]

:love:

:hug:

[Twosugars]

I know from personal experience how the press can ruin lives,I've had it first hand and I will never forgive them,they have no thought for the way they impact peoples lives, so for me the press are in the main scumbags and parasites.

Well said.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Inconvenient truth?

You may enjoy being bamboozled, I don't

It's an unhealthy obsession and you have to let it go

[user104658]

We were as we wanted as much info about her life as we could create daily. If we did not



There would be no market. there was a market and it paid the most than ANY other story



BOOM

Again conflating "many" or "majority" with "all".

There is no universal "we" here. They don't need everyone to have a market. They just need to maximise clicks to maximise profits. Mass appeal. For thick chavs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Again conflating "many" or "majority" with "all".

There is no universal "we" here. They don't need everyone to have a market. They just need to maximise clicks to maximise profits. Mass appeal. For thick chavs.

You may have had a point before you said

Thick chavs

Showing your hand is never a good strategy

[user104658]

You may have had a point before you said



Thick chavs



Showing your hand is never a good strategy

What strategy? Because I believe exactly that to be true, it also means that I don't think there's a battle to be won. It is what it is... The world operates on the lowest common denominator, all you can do is try to play that system as best you can :hee:.

[Matthew.]

Anyone still getting a bit of a shock when you see this on the news or see the thread title when you enter the forum. Like I know its happened but its so awful that its hard to believe it to be true

Yeah I get what you mean, it’s still unbelievable and strange to read

[Conzors]

I just keep thinking about how alone and isolated she must have felt.
It makes my stomach hurt just thinking about her thought process behind this.
The worst thing is that she really was loved, and now will never know how much.

[rusticgal]

I just keep thinking about how alone and isolated she must have felt.
It makes my stomach hurt just thinking about her thought process behind this.
The worst thing is that she really was loved, and now will never know how much.


....and sadly she’s not the only one.

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/1ZhqqyooMY2REEqQXN_84Q/https/media.fyre.co/4juv3VEpRumYkunHxDZD_1802%20Sun.JPG

[Amy Jade]

Its undeniable they went after her to make a statement imo

[arista]

Its undeniable they went after her to make a statement imo


Of Course
she played the Media.
But since the Police Filming inside her flat
and all the Blood, she wanted that
kept secret.....................

Her fella only 27

[arista]

[She wasn't in a great way!' Nicola McLean reveals
that Caroline Flack sent worrying messages
to her 'close friends' the night before her death]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8014021/Nicola-McLean-says-Caroline-Flack-sent-worrying-messages-close-friends-night-death.html

[Zizu]

[She wasn't in a great way!' Nicola McLean reveals
that Caroline Flack sent worrying messages
to her 'close friends' the night before her death]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8014021/Nicola-McLean-says-Caroline-Flack-sent-worrying-messages-close-friends-night-death.html



Did she have many , down to earth, ‘normal’ friends ... meaning non-celeb friends?

I just wonder if it was one of her ‘celeb’ friends that proves to be the one who said she was ‘draining’ when she sent them ‘that’ cry for help and maybe tipped the scales ?

They all seem to be coming out of the woodwork now ... my cynical side thinks that some of them may just be jumping on the bandwagon to get themselves back in the public eye , so to speak

Gemma Collins , Kerry Katona , Katie Price etc


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[Ammi]

...her life/her job was ‘celebrity’ so many of her friendships would have been celebrity as well...and those are the ones that the media tend to focus on because celebrities would be more inclined to ‘voice publicly’, I guess....they also include people who have also felt ‘media ravishment’ at low points in their own lives, or just general media judgement of them...so they’re adding their own thoughts to something that’s being highlighted atm as a huge contributor to poor mental health issues...


...I think with the ‘draining’ thing...?...that’s something that Caroline said when she was in thought crises and not clear thinking, I presume...and we don’t know of any possible context to it either...

[Morgan.]

I have to say I’m both embarrassed for and ashamed of the people that have used this thread just to start a petty argument or troll. Another celebrity has taken their own life at the hands of the British press and media, the least you could do is just show a bit of respect.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have to say I’m both embarrassed for and ashamed of the people that have used this thread just to start a petty argument or troll. Another celebrity has taken their own life at the hands of the British press and media, the least you could do is just show a bit of respect.

An interesting post from yourself who in a thread about when someone called Flack a dirtypaedo posted

"Harry was 17 at the time tbf :skull:"

[AnnieK]

An interesting post from yourself who in a thread about when someone called Flack a dirtypaedo posted

"Harry was 17 at the time tbf :skull:"

Surely that is highlighting the fact that as he was over the age of consent, that the allegation of anything untoward was unjust?

I may need to read the thread to get context but from that snippet you posted that's what I get from that.

[GoldHeart]

Surely that is highlighting the fact that as he was over the age of consent, that the allegation of anything untoward was unjust?

I may need to read the thread to get context but from that snippet you posted that's what I get from that.

How come Drake is called a perv from just texting Billy Elish though?? .

[Crimson Dynamo]

How come Drake is called a perv from just texting Billy Elish though?? .

Quite

Can you imagine the hate if say Danny Dyer dated a 17 year old girl?

[Crimson Dynamo]

On the evening of Dec 11 last year, Caroline Flack, the popular TV presenter,
and her boyfriend, Lewis Burton, a former tennis professional,
enjoyed a romantic dinner together at the Soho restaurant, Bob Bob Ricard.

To the other diners present the couple appeared happy, carefree and
engrossed in one another's company.

Despite Flack's chequered relationship history, and the fact the couple
had only been together since July, friends of the 40-year-old were
becoming increasingly confident that she had finally found the man she would marry.

Professionally, things were also in the ascendancy, with Love Island -
the reality show she hosted - enjoying runaway success and about to launch its first winter season.

But within a few short hours Flack’s life had unravelled and a chain of
events began that would ultimately culminate in her tragic suicide.

n the early hours of the morning, while Burton was asleep, Flack began
examining his mobile phone, becoming enraged when she discovered text

messages that he had received from another woman.

The exchanges - which involved a woman in her 60s - were entirely innocent,
but Flack, who had battled depression and anxiety issues, exploded, convinced Burton was cheating on her.

Launching herself at her still sleeping boyfriend, she hit him over the head with
a table lamp and threw his mobile phone at him.

After flipping over a table, Flack also cut herself on a glass, receiving a deep
wound to her arm.

Burton, who is 6ft 3in tall, was unable to restrain his 5ft 3in girlfriend or calm her
down, and at 5.25am made a 999 call asking for the police.

He told the call handler: "She tried to kill me, mate. She's going mad, breaking stuff.
She almost cracked my head open."

The call handler noted that in the background, Flack could be heard screaming: "You ruined my life."

In a sign of just how seriously the report was taken, the first police officer arrived
at the flat in the Barnsbury area of Islington, within eight minutes.

The door of the ground floor flat was answered by Flack and Burton, pictured below in a
previous Instagram post.

According to the officer, both were covered in blood.



In his notes the officer likened the scene to "something out of a horror movie".

Flack was still extremely irate and had to be restrained by officers, who were
fitted with body worn cameras recording the whole interaction.

Flack was arrested on suspicion of assault and paramedics were also called to the scene.

After assessing both of them, it was decided Flack ought to be taken to hospital
for treatment to her wound.

While under caution she allegedly admitted the attack and told officers that
she would "kill herself".

more in this painstaking report here: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/17/tortured-final-weeks-caroline-flack/

[GoldHeart]

Quite

Can you imagine the hate if say Danny Dyer dated a 17 year old girl?

Apparently when Chris Evans Married Billie Piper , people were shocked.

It was Billie Piper being with a weirdo like Chris Evans that shocked me more .But she was 18 when they married.

[Beso]

Apparently when Chris Evans Married Billie Piper , people were shocked.

It was Billie Piper being with a weirdo like Chris Evans that shocked me more .But she was 18 when they married.

On what basis are you judging Chris Evans being a wierdo?

Isn't this the type of language we should ALL be reigning in a bit because of what happened with caroline flack.

[GoldHeart]

On what basis are you judging Chris Evans being a wierdo?

Isn't this the type of language we should ALL be reigning in a bit because of what happened with caroline flack.

All of a sudden you're the language police now :notimpressed: , my judgement is from how I've seen Evans act . Plus not long ago wasn't he in hot water over his behaviour.

[Zizu]

How come Drake is called a perv from just texting Billy Elish though?? .



I thought they’d done a song together , maybe not ??


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[Marsh.]

Quite

Can you imagine the hate if say Danny Dyer dated a 17 year old girl?

Nothing like a non existent example.

[GoldHeart]

Even though they sang a duet together ??


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Billy Elish defended him , I saw an article that said why can't he be a fan of hers or something ? .

[Zizu]

Nothing like a non existent example.



Presumably you can provide a better example ...


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[Beso]

All of a sudden you're the language police now :notimpressed: , my judgement is from how I've seen Evans act . Plus not long ago wasn't he in hot water over his behaviour.

Ooo ooooohhhhkayyyyy. ..all.of a sudden you are the wierdo judging polis..:fist:


Al leave you to get on with your on line bile and viciousness, have a nice day.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nothing like a non existent example.

i think the word you have found difficulty with was imagine?

[Livia]

The comments made about Caroline were quite disgusting. All over social media, here on the forum.... people said spiteful, despicable things, but now everyone's sorry. It makes me sad.

I'm waiting for the first one to say they had her on their deathlist.

[Alf]

I have to say I’m both embarrassed for and ashamed of the people that have used this thread just to start a petty argument or troll. Another celebrity has taken their own life at the hands of the British press and media, the least you could do is just show a bit of respect.You ask people to show respect, and in the same post blame other people for her death, as if you know that's a fact

[user104658]

I have to say I’m both embarrassed for and ashamed of the people that have used this thread just to start a petty argument or troll. Another celebrity has taken their own life at the hands of the British press and media, the least you could do is just show a bit of respect.

Whilst I get what you're saying... The hypocrisy of calling people out for trying to start petty arguments, whilst... trying to start a petty argument... is not something I can really get my head around.

An awful lot of hypocrisy and holier-than-thou attitudes flying around on this thread to be honest. We're on a forum for reality television fans, ffs. We may have varying leg lengths, but not one of us has two full legs to stand on here.

[thesheriff443]

Whilst I get what you're saying... The hypocrisy of calling people out for trying to start petty arguments, whilst... trying to start a petty argument... is not something I can really get my head around.

An awful lot of hypocrisy and holier-than-thou attitudes flying around on this thread to be honest. We're on a forum for reality television fans, ffs. We may have varying leg lengths, but not one of us has two full legs to stand on here.

I have two strong legs that I stand on every day.

Members didn’t have a good word to say about her in the assault cases but now she is dead they think she is a beautiful person.

Lots more faceless nameless people will kill themselves today.

[user104658]

I have two strong legs that I stand on every day.



Members didn’t have a good word to say about her in the assault cases but now she is dead they think she is a beautiful person.



Lots more faceless nameless people will kill themselves today.No one here has a leg to stand on in calling out others for engaging with celebrity culture "good and bad". Apologies if I needed to be more specific?

We're all Big Brother fans and Big Brother was a HUGE part of the rise of modern "celebrity culture". We've all been on threads, sharing our opinions, about countless people. It's literally what this forum is FOR. I'm not saying if it's generally an OK thing to do, or if it's generally wrong, that's another thread for another day really. What I am saying is that we're all on different decks of exactly the same boat and no one can really claim otherwise.

[Zizu]

No one here has a leg to stand on in calling out others for engaging with celebrity culture "good and bad". Apologies if I needed to be more specific?

We're all Big Brother fans and Big Brother was a HUGE part of the rise of modern "celebrity culture". We've all been on threads, sharing our opinions, about countless people. It's literally what this forum is FOR. I'm not saying if it's generally an OK thing to do, or if it's generally wrong, that's another thread for another day really. What I am saying is that we're all on different decks of exactly the same boat and no one can really claim otherwise.



Very nicely put ..


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[thesheriff443]

No one here has a leg to stand on in calling out others for engaging with celebrity culture "good and bad". Apologies if I needed to be more specific?

We're all Big Brother fans and Big Brother was a HUGE part of the rise of modern "celebrity culture". We've all been on threads, sharing our opinions, about countless people. It's literally what this forum is FOR. I'm not saying if it's generally an OK thing to do, or if it's generally wrong, that's another thread for another day really. What I am saying is that we're all on different decks of exactly the same boat and no one can really claim otherwise.

That’s were you are wrong, I will say it how it is not how people want it to be.

If you been a dick you have been a dick.

[Livia]

No one here has a leg to stand on in calling out others for engaging with celebrity culture "good and bad". Apologies if I needed to be more specific?

We're all Big Brother fans and Big Brother was a HUGE part of the rise of modern "celebrity culture". We've all been on threads, sharing our opinions, about countless people. It's literally what this forum is FOR. I'm not saying if it's generally an OK thing to do, or if it's generally wrong, that's another thread for another day really. What I am saying is that we're all on different decks of exactly the same boat and no one can really claim otherwise.

I can't ever remember anyone calling a Big Brother housemate a paedophile and getting away with it. In my opinion the Internet, including this site, gets more vicious every year.

[AnnieK]

I have two strong legs that I stand on every day.

Members didn’t have a good word to say about her in the assault cases but now she is dead they think she is a beautiful person.

Lots more faceless nameless people will kill themselves today.

Some members didn't have a lot of good to say about her....most people in the assault case thread actually condemned the assault as a domestic abuser is a domestic abuser regardless of sex and status and that is what a lot of people were commenting on. There were a few that discussed her as a person but a lot were more focused on the case and many didn't comment at all so tarring everyone with the same brush is quite a sweeping statement.

People will always feel sadness when someone they feel they know dies - some will have that sadness tinged with guilt for sure but they should not be condemned for voicing their grief.

Your last sentence though is very sadly true, lots more families will have to face the struggles Caroline's family are now facing.

[Jack_]

I still can’t get over this. I’ve grown up watching Caroline, I remember when she first did TMi with Sam & Mark, and she’s pretty much always been on TV somewhere or other ever since. Kind of like Stephen Mulhern really

That poor woman honestly. And to think who knows how different her life could’ve been in a few months. It’s so sad

[user104658]

I can't ever remember anyone calling a Big Brother housemate a paedophile and getting away with it. In my opinion the Internet, including this site, gets more vicious every year.Moderation is far more lax because forum membership has dropped significantly and because the remaining mods are burnt out. I'm not convinced we WOULDN'T have been the same as we are now in previous years, had we felt we could get away with it, which we now mostly can and do.

[Crimson Dynamo]

er lets not forget that this woman tried to kill her boyfriend in the dead of night (his account) over nothing. She was going through his phone at 5 am and flew into a murderous rage and could not be controlled by a man of 6 foot 3. She took her own life rather than face the consequences of her actions.

If I go back to Danny Dyer (as a white old straight man that Tibb generally would not favour) had he done this to a girlfriend I do not think we would be seeing members say "poor man" or writing poems/saying prayers for him?

Do you? :shrug:

[user104658]

er lets not forget that this woman tried to kill her boyfriend in the dead of night (his account) over nothing. She was going through his phone at 5 am and flew into a murderous rage and could not be controlled by a man of 6 foot 3. She took her own life rather than face the consequences of her actions.

Very overly simplistic; she was clearly suffering from complex mental health issues and that's what caused the initial incident, and eventually lead to her suicide.

But the fact that she was clearly unstable is really exactly why the press should have backed off a bit.

That said, I will be honest and say that I think you're right; a male celebrity who viciously assaulted his girlfriend and then went on to commit suicide would not have anything like the same support/grief as there has been with Caroline.

Of course that doesn't mean it shouldn't be there in this case; just that people should always view these situations with more nuance.

[Mystic Mock]

How come Drake is called a perv from just texting Billy Elish though?? .

Tbf that is wrong of people to do that to Drake.

I've even checked her Wikipedia page and she's legal age by both UK and Canada laws.

[Mystic Mock]

I can't ever remember anyone calling a Big Brother housemate a paedophile and getting away with it. In my opinion the Internet, including this site, gets more vicious every year.

I think Akeem might've been called something along those lines in the last ever Big Brother.

I can't remember if it was paedophile or rapist now though as it has been awhile since that series was on.

[Marsh.]

Presumably you can provide a better example ...


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Example of what?

[Marsh.]

i think the word you have found difficulty with was imagine?

No that's what I'm pointing out.

To make your point you've created a non existent comparison, instead of finding an actual one. Which either invalidates your point or makes you lazy. :hee:

[user104658]

Tbf that is wrong of people to do that to Drake.



I've even checked her Wikipedia page and she's legal age by both UK and Canada laws.Millie Bobby Brown is not and Billy Eilish wasn't when he was heavily texting her. I'd draw the line at making outright accusations with no evidence BUT I think we (society) might want to be careful... We don't want to side step into a territory where we're afraid to call out questionable behaviour because we're too scared to do so.

It is questionable for a man in his 30's to be extensively messaging teenage girls. It doesn't mean he's "a paedo" but it also doesn't mean people should be afraid to point out that they think it's inappropriate.

[Amy Jade]

I think Akeem might've been called something along those lines in the last ever Big Brother.

I can't remember if it was paedophile or rapist now though as it has been awhile since that series was on.

It was a rapist by a rph and he did it more than once and when asked to elaborate he had nothing, he literally called him a rapist because he didn't like him.

[Twosugars]

er lets not forget that this woman tried to kill her boyfriend in the dead of night (his account) over nothing. She was going through his phone at 5 am and flew into a murderous rage and could not be controlled by a man of 6 foot 3. She took her own life rather than face the consequences of her actions.

If I go back to Danny Dyer (as a white old straight man that Tibb generally would not favour) had he done this to a girlfriend I do not think we would be seeing members say "poor man" or writing poems/saying prayers for him?

Do you? :shrug:

How low can you go, wow....

[GoldHeart]

It was a rapist by a rph and he did it more than once and when asked to elaborate he had nothing, he literally called him a rapist because he didn't like him.

Interesting how it seems fine to call people horrible names like that :bored: , in real life you could never accuse someone of being a rapist without proof. Accusations like that ruin people's lives and people can sue.

Also when Jeremy Corbyn was compared to Steptoe , with picture by picture silly comparison ,that also seemed ok and not at all childish :notimpressed: .

[Zizu]

How low can you go, wow....



... but it’s a perfectly sound stance to take if we’re being honest with ourselves... and each other .


Somebody said much the same thing elsewhere but interchanged Caroline with her boyfriend and posed the same question.

It got me thinking as well ..


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[Zizu]

Interesting how it seems fine to call people horrible names like that :bored: , in real life you could never accuse someone of being a rapist without proof. Accusations like that ruin people's lives and people can sue.

Also when Jeremy Corbyn was compared to Steptoe , with picture by picture silly comparison ,that also seemed ok and not at all childish :notimpressed: .



Please don’t bring Corbyn into this discussion.... there’s only so much I can take ..


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[GoldHeart]

Please don’t bring Corbyn into this discussion.... there’s only so much I can take ..


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It's a fair example to bring him into it if we're going to talk about abuse people get in the public eye.

[Zizu]

It's a fair example to bring him into it if we're going to talk about abuse people get in the public eye.



He does ‘appear’ to bring a lot of it on himself though tbh .


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[Twosugars]

... but it’s a perfectly sound stance to take if we’re being honest with ourselves... and each other .


Somebody said much the same thing elsewhere but interchanged Caroline with her boyfriend and posed the same question.

It got me thinking as well ..


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It's nasty and gratuitous.

Trying to devalue the sadness people feel over her tragic death by comparing it to random hypothetical deaths.
If we are honest with each other, as you put it, she featured in some forum members lives for years through the shows she was associated with.
They had time to get to care for her and appreciate her. And, even with their past criticism of some of her actions, they have the right to mourn her passing without getting mocked.

[Zizu]

It's nasty and gratuitous.

Trying to devalue the sadness people feel over her tragic death by comparing it to random hypothetical deaths.
If we are honest with each other, as you put it, she featured in some forum members lives for years through the shows she was associated with.
They had time to get to care for her and appreciate her. And, even with their past criticism of some of her actions, they have the right to mourn her passing without getting mocked.



I’m not mocking anyone to be fair .. just thinking out loud on a forum .


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[Zizu]

It's nasty and gratuitous.

Trying to devalue the sadness people feel over her tragic death by comparing it to random hypothetical deaths.
If we are honest with each other, as you put it, she featured in some forum members lives for years through the shows she was associated with.
They had time to get to care for her and appreciate her. And, even with their past criticism of some of her actions, they have the right to mourn her passing without getting mocked.


I’m not mocking anyone to be fair .. just thinking out loud on a forum .



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[Twosugars]

I’m not mocking anyone to be fair .. just thinking out loud on a forum .


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I wasnt commenting on your posts but explaining my comments you originally took issue with, which were about someone else's post.

[GoldHeart]

He does ‘appear’ to bring a lot of it on himself though tbh .


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No he doesn't , funny how Bojo does alot worse and gets away with it.

[Zizu]

No he doesn't , funny how Bojo does alot worse and gets away with it.


Boris likes women .... so what - he's hardly alone in that . He'd be regarded as a god in Italy for behaving just that way.


As regards Corbyn- even the die hard labour voters , Corbyn's own supporters included - turned against him as shown in that survey a few days ago .

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[GoldHeart]

Boris likes women .... so what - he's hardly alone in that . He'd be regarded as a god in Italy for behaving just that way.


As regards Corbyn- even the die hard labour voters , Corbyn's own supporters included - turned against him as shown in that survey a few days ago .

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I said nothing about Bojo's relationships.as I don't give a f who he sleeps with , I'm talking about everything else . But this is pointless anyway.

Corbyn had a huge hate campaign against him , he never stood a chance. Even if I lost faith in him , I would rather vote for nobody or green party . There's no way Bojo would get my vote. That's basically a turkey voting for Christmas :bored: .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lizzy Cundy has just said that her good friend CF loved the press/media and its so wrong for people to say the press and media hounded her

Just now on Talk Radio

[Marsh.]

Lizzy Cundy has just said that her good friend CF loved the press/media and its so wrong for people to say the press and media hounded her

Just now on Talk Radio

That's like saying you love your spouse. Doesn't mean it's right if that spouse turns around and smacks you in the face.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's like saying you love your spouse. Doesn't mean it's right if that spouse turns around and smacks you in the face.

rather an unfortunate analogy

[Marsh.]

rather an unfortunate analogy

Maybe. But an apt one.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Cundy said she and Flack were a regular on Sun Corporate Hosp and she was very in with the paper

i think this and the fact her bf went to The SUn the day after, puts to bed a few myths from this thread

and thankfully so as we all want truth during a tragic thing like this

[Marsh.]

Not really.

Dan Wootton is the definition of two faced. Stab anyone in the back for a story. That's how those types work.