Caroline Flack found Dead

[Smithy]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10971333/caroline-flack-dead-love-island/amp/

:shocked: if true

[Morgan.]

Oh my god :omgno:

[Cal.]

What the ****

This is heartbreaking

[Mitchell]

Fuuuck

[rusticgal]

I hope this isn't true...

[Daniel.]

RIP. So sad

[Rob!]

Holy fuuuuuuuck.

[Morgan.]

RIP x

She was troubled but deep down such a lovely, genuine woman and I hate that it had to end this way :(

[bots]

seems to be true :shocked:

[Kizzy]

Omg just seen this too :(

[Jack_]

Woaaaaaah

This is devastating

[rusticgal]

Tragic...

[Barry.]

Can't believe it. RIP.

[SherzyK]

:(

[Daniel.]

This has really shook me, its so sad

[BBQuest]

https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/15/caroline-flack-dead-aged-40-love-island-tv-presenter-dies-12246583/

Honest to god think this is tragic, I mean for all her faults you can't deny that she was a fantastic host for the work that she did on Love Island and shows like Xtra-Factor as well. :(

[Moniqua]

i feel sick :(

[AnnieK]

OMG.....no. So devastating....:sad:

[LaLaLand]

This is ****ing terrible.

All of the media outlets/trolls should hang their heads in shame at the names they were throwing at her lately, assuming that she’s decided to take her own life. She’s literally been killed by the media.

Can’t wait for the week or so of mental health awareness and tributes before everyone goes back to their normal horrible selves. What an absolute shame.

RIP Caroline.

[Smithy]

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=365113

[LukeB]

I'm really shocked about this </3 r.i.p no matter what she done, she didn't deserve this

[Alf]

Tragic

I'm guessing suicide.

[Adamw92]

I can’t believe it

[Dogeatdog]

I’ve just heard about this. So sad RIP :(

[Tony Montana]

Holy ****!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I literally said "oh my god" out loud when it came up on my phone - Jesus wept

[Cal.]

Jesus Christ

God bless her x

[rusticgal]

It is tragic..

[Smithy]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7997075/amp/Caroline-Flack-looks-relaxed-care-free-giggling-star-goes-wall-climbing-friend.html

Only two days ago aswell :(

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think the boy friend thing was a symptom rather than a cause

[Epic.]

RIP

[Rob!]

Her family have apparently confirmed :(

[RileyH]

Oh no this is so ****ing sad </3

RIP Caroline :(

[Braden]

A damn shame.

I don't what to say.

[Alf]

Love Island is looking like it's cursed. Another one involved with that show, gone.

[Nicky91]

RIP

[Liam-]

Jesus :omgno:

[Zizu]

That’s so sad .. a young woman with her whole life ahead ..

I wasn’t a fan to be honest but this is awful news ..




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[Jake.]

Awful news.

[user104658]

I think it's pretty much certain it was either a suicide or overdose (if previous reports of cocain use are true). Either way, in my opinion, probably killed by a combination of tabloids and toxic social media. Really tragic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think it's pretty much certain it was either a suicide or overdose (if previous reports of cocain use are true). Either way, killed by a combination of tabloids and toxic social media. Really tragic.

she killed herself, you have no idea why

[thesheriff443]

A shock and a terrible waste of life.

[user104658]

she killed herself, you have no idea whyYes I'm sure it was following a particularly bad round of scrabble.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes I'm sure it was following a particularly bad round of scrabble.

you are not sure of anything

[bots]

Seems to me that she set her own path with a tragic end

[user104658]

you are not sure of anythingI'm not going to argue with you on this thread LT so I've altered my post.

[thesheriff443]

It’s just the way some people are wired up.

Girl hanged herself recently after taking cocain and having a psychic episode.

[Kate!]

Omg. I am terribly shocked by this. Tragic. RIP Caroline. I thought I had read it wrong. Took a bit to sink in.

So young to die.

[Elliot]

My heart sunk when I saw this, literally can’t believe it... rip

[Kazanne]

I've just seen this , must admit I was taken aback , such a shame ,so young , I do hope the media have nothing to do with this, they can be pretty cruel and ruin peoples lives, poor girl, such a waste of life.

[user104658]

It’s just the way some people are wired up.

Girl hanged herself recently after taking cocain and having a psychic episode .

:worry: what did she see??

[arista]

On the TV News
sadly she did die

[Zizu]

I thought it was a something or nothing assault case that wouldn’t even make court.. was she really in danger of going to prison !?


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[arista]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10971333/caroline-flack-dead-love-island/amp/

:shocked: if true


Yes its sadly True.

Nice to have you back with us
Smithy

[Kazanne]

I literally said "oh my god" out loud when it came up on my phone - Jesus wept

Yes,me too, just the shock of it.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/ex-love-island-host-caroline-flack-found-dead-at-40/ar-BB1029vk?ocid=spartanntp

[Denver]

Sad news just a shame she couldn't get help when she needed it the most but then I get the press didnt help things either

[Zizu]

:worry: what did she see??



Probably not the time for jokes .. tbh


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[Twosugars]

I think it's pretty much certain it was either a suicide or overdose (if previous reports of cocain use are true). Either way, in my opinion, probably killed by a combination of tabloids and toxic social media. Really tragic.

That's my reading too.

Hounded. Even on this forum, not so long ago.

As Josy said in the free of speech case thread, hateful words have consequences

[Jessica.]

This is shocking, she must have been feeling so down. Very sad situation.

[arista]

Aged 40
I guess she had enough in Court over attacking her man.

[Zizu]

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[caprimint]

Literally so shocked :shocked:

RIP Caroline :(

[Amy Jade]

I'm absolutely shocked

[Daniel-X]

In utter shock :sad:

Nobody deserves this. I hope she is at peace now x

[Wizard.]

I started tearing up when I heard the news. I used to watch her present SMTV as a kid, Xtra Factor growing up and then Love Island as an adult and she never lost that smile and sparkle...

You never really know whats going on in someone’s life and it’s heartbreaking to know that it got so dark for her that she felt she had to do this. I wish someone could’ve called her, offered her support, made her feel like she could get through and live her life.

I hope you’re now in peace Caroline x

[aaronneely2017]

Such a heartbreaking and awful thing to hear but this wasnt just suicide it was manslaughter.

Her Life taken at the hands of the media and trolls.

Every sleazy newspaper journalist that had a part in causing this tragedy should forever be ashamed of themselves.

R.I.P. Caroline ):

[bots]

the media were not to blame for her getting in trouble, it's not been looking good for her for some time

[arista]

the media were not to blame for her getting in trouble, it's not been looking good for her for some time


Yes she was due to go to Court.

I assume she thought - possible Prison.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Such a heartbreaking and awful thing to hear but this wasnt just suicide it was manslaughter.

Her Life taken at the hands of the media and trolls.

Every sleazy newspaper journalist that had a part in causing this tragedy should forever be ashamed of themselves.

R.I.P. Caroline ):

stop making stuff up

you have no idea why she killed herself and pretending to know is just horrible when the girl is barely cold

utterly despicable for people to pretend to know why this girl killed herself

you dont know, you may never know. leave her alone

[Alf]

Yes she was due to go to Court.

I assume she thought - possible Prison.My best mate killed himself for that very reason. And smoking skunk didn't help him either.

[SherzyK]

stop making stuff up

you have no idea why she killed herself and pretending to know is just horrible when the girl is barely cold

utterly despicable for people to pretend to know why this girl killed herself

you dont know, you may never know. leave her alone

Stop trying to create arguments

[thesheriff443]

:worry: what did she see??

I don’t know

[bots]

This isn’t serious debates so stop trying to create arguments

check the name of the forum

[SherzyK]

check the name of the forum

Amended

[AnnieK]

check the name of the forum

Still not a time for faux outrage for drama. The fact is on one hand LT is right,no one probably will ever know why Caroline has taken her own life, if she has done it deliberately or not.....but on the other hand people will surmise the reasons. No one is trying to make fun out of it, quite the opposite and the toxic media culture of keyboard warriors does need to stop

[LukeB]

Someone has just died, there's no need to argue.

[SherzyK]

Still not a time for faux outrage for drama. The fact is on one hand LT is right,no one probably will ever know why Caroline has taken her own life, if she has done it deliberately or not.....but on the other hand people will surmise the reasons. No one is trying to make fun out of it, quite the opposite and the toxic media culture of keyboard warriors does need to stop

Exactly. There’s no question Caroline was on the receiving end on a lot of hate and backlash so what other reason would there be for her to take her own life?

[user104658]

Still not a time for faux outrage for drama. The fact is on one hand LT is right,no one probably will ever know why Caroline has taken her own life, if she has done it deliberately or not.....but on the other hand people will surmise the reasons. No one is trying to make fun out of it, quite the opposite and the toxic media culture of keyboard warriors does need to stopIndeed. We can't know FOR SURE that toxic social media culture, trolling, bullying, and a gutter press that gleefully makes money from tearing people down is in any way to blame so let's just carry on accepting it. :idc:

[bots]

there are countless possible reasons for her tragic end. I agree media and social media are toxic, but we know nothing of her state of mind, what shaped her thinking and even if her death was an accident or not

[user104658]

Someone has just died, there's no need to argue.When people are keen to deny a toxic culture that is clearly damaging peoples mental health, has caused untold pain and undoubtedly deaths, and will cause countless more... I think there actually is a need to argue.

[Shaun]

I hope she's now at peace, really. Never really understood why she was such a prolific presenter but she was clearly liked and successful.

[RileyH]

this has hit me really hard since I have dragged her in the past. sometimes you forget just how much words can affect people and I really hope that this isn't glossed over by tomorrow. it's a serious tragedy and such a shame that such a great presenter has had to go through this, which nobody deserves. what she's gone through the past months is a lot for anyone to deal with and the way she felt she had no other option but to take her own life is just extremely devastating. RIP Caroline, I hope you're in a better place now. :love:

[Marsh.]

Hopefully scummy tabloids take note when it comes to other people who have openly shared how fragile their mental health has been. Schofield and Prince Harry to name two recent examples.

Report on the facts and nothing more. Witch hunts and gossip contribute nothing.

[thesheriff443]

It’s been reported she took her own life and it’s was reported weeks ago her friends and family were concerned over her mental health and the possibility of suicide.

Unfortunately you can’t stop someone who truly wantss to kill themselves.

I think she was unstable before the lamp fight, but drink and drugs are usually factors in suicide,

[aaronneely2017]

Stop trying to create arguments

Thank you Sherzy <3

[rionablue]

I'm so incredibly sad. One of my favourite celebs ever. I championed her on Love Island and even though people said Laura would do a much better job I always was on her side. She has had troubles God love her but this is an awful end to (for the most part) incredible journey into celebrity land :(

[Marsh.]

Not surprised by Piers Morgan and Dan Wootton's completely oblivious and hollow words on this.

Dan Wootton inparticular spent yesterday mocking Jameela Jamil over discussing her suicide attempt and thinks he isn't part of the issues? Makes his living on ruining reputations and careers. Disgusting.

[Vanessa]

Really sad news. I'm shocked and saddened :sad::bawling:

[Alf]

What did she actually do to her boyfriend? I didn't take too much notice. I heard something about her hitting him with a lamp, and that's about it. Is this what she was due in court for?

[Morgan.]

What did she actually do to her boyfriend? I didn't take too much notice. I heard something about her hitting him with a lamp, and that's about it. Is this what she was due in court for?

Yes

[user104658]

What did she actually do to her boyfriend? I didn't take too much notice. I heard something about her hitting him with a lamp, and that's about it. Is this what she was due in court for?(Allegedly) hit him with a lamp while he was asleep, she was up on assault charges.

[Alf]

(Allegedly) hit him with a lamp while he was asleep, she was up on assault charges.Didn't the boyfriend say that he didn't want to press charges? Or do I have that wrong? What were his injuries, do you know?

[Marsh.]

Didn't the boyfriend say that he didn't want to press charges? Or do I have that wrong? What were his injuries, do you know?

On his head. He wanted to drop the charges but the CPS pursued the case.

[GiRTh]

RIP

[Saph]

Its a shame she never explained herself or the situation as a whole, I think a lot of the reason the public were so hard on her is because she never seemed to offer any sort of apology or even much acknowledgement.. idk if maybe she couldnt because of legal reason or whatever but still..

I wasnt a huge fan but its very sad and I hope this can raise awareness for the future. RIP

[Twosugars]

Indeed. We can't know FOR SURE that toxic social media culture, trolling, bullying, and a gutter press that gleefully makes money from tearing people down is in any way to blame so let's just carry on accepting it. :idc:
Well said. There will be plenty of crocodile tears shed now by the same people who make a living out of toxicity.



this has hit me really hard since I have dragged her in the past. sometimes you forget just how much words can affect people and I really hope that this isn't glossed over by tomorrow. it's a serious tragedy and such a shame that such a great presenter has had to go through this, which nobody deserves. what she's gone through the past months is a lot for anyone to deal with and the way she felt she had no other option but to take her own life is just extremely devastating. RIP Caroline, I hope you're in a better place now. :love:

I doubt she read this forum so dont beat yourself up sis :hug:. But you are right, words have consequences.

[Calderyon]

Wow.

R.I.P

[Strictly Jake]

What??!!! Im so sad to hear this

[Beso]

All this out poring of grief, yet nobody agrees social media should be shut down.

Rip caroline, ****ing shame.

[Greg!]

Omg I’m so shocked. She obviously had her troubles but she seemed like a nice person and was great at what she did. Just so sad. RIP :(

[Gstar]

Really liked her and never got the hate. Shocking and sad news. RIP Caroline :(

[LukeB]

I just remembered the media posting a picture of the incident with the bed covered in blood which i felt was a bit fake and wasn't the actual crime of the scene, i think Caroline denied it and others said was fake, you could see a shaped penis in blood at the side. that probably made things a lot worst for her

[Calderyon]

All this out poring of grief, yet nobody agrees social media should be shut down.

Rip caroline, ****ing shame.

Facebook and Twitter are cesspools, I agree.

[LukeB]

All this out poring of grief, yet nobody agrees social media should be shut down.

Rip caroline, ****ing shame.

for once i agree with you. This should be a wake up call for us all to wonder if twitter/insta/fb ever do anything, they have a lot of responsibility for stuff like this.

[Marsh.]

All this out poring of grief, yet nobody agrees social media should be shut down.

Rip caroline, ****ing shame.

And the vultures like Dan Wootton talking about his own ****ing heartbreak over it when his entire ****ing career is built on ruining people's lives. It's bloody shameful.

[Scarlett.]

for once i agree with you. This should be a wake up call for us all to wonder if twitter/insta/fb ever do anything, they have a lot of responsibility for stuff like this.

The papers have much more responsibility, they stoke the flames in cases like this, they make money from it, they thrive of it, they stalk people until the want to literally take their own life, they chased Diana so much she ended up dead.

Sure social media does have responsibiity, but so do the papers and their editors

[Beastie]

Folk will say a heartfelt status about a dead celebrity but won't check in on their family or friends. Crazy world.

[Jessica.]

The papers have much more responsibility, they stoke the flames in cases like this, they make money from it, they thrive of it, they stalk people until the want to literally take their own life, they chased Diana so much she ended up dead.

Sure social media does have responsibility, but so do the papers and their editors

I agree, the supposed news companies do nothing but stir up trouble and people really do take it as fact.

[LukeB]

The papers have much more responsibility, they stoke the flames in cases like this, they make money from it, they thrive of it, they stalk people until the want to literally take their own life, they chased Diana so much she ended up dead.

Sure social media does have responsibiity, but so do the papers and their editors

i agree with you and i said on another thread social media and tabloids are toxic and trash and are to blame.I'm not sure if it's the papers have much more responsibility or both.

[Beso]

The papers have much more responsibility, they stoke the flames in cases like this, they make money from it, they thrive of it, they stalk people until the want to literally take their own life, they chased Diana so much she ended up dead.

Sure social media does have responsibiity, but so do the papers and their editors

The papers merely report a story. .

Social media has all kinds of spiteful, evil wankers on it that revel in nothing more than other people's misery..papers tend not to give an opinion on a story but just report it, so it really is up to the individual to keep thier noses clean..but social media is an outlet for the poison that people feel they have to air.

[Marsh.]

The papers merely report a story.

They really don't. They report gossip and slanderous accusations that then fuels the social media brigade to pile on the hate.

If they stuck to reporting the facts it wouldn't be as bad. But they don't.

[Scarlett.]

The papers merely report a story. .

Social media has all kinds of spiteful, evil wankers on it that revel in nothing more than other people's misery..papers tend not to give an opinion on a story but just report it, so it really is up to the individual to keep thier noses clean..but social media is an outlet for the poison that people feel they have to air.

They literally chase women around while on holiday to try and catch them slightly naked, that's not merely reporting a story. They trash people in their "columns", thats not merely reporting a story either. The News should be impartial, not gossip mongers

[Beso]

The papers have much more responsibility, they stoke the flames in cases like this, they make money from it, they thrive of it, they stalk people until the want to literally take their own life, they chased Diana so much she ended up dead.

Sure social media does have responsibiity, but so do the papers and their editors

They literally chase women around while on holiday to try and catch them slightly naked, that's not merely reporting a story. They trash people in their "columns", thats not merely reporting a story either. The News should be impartial, not gossip mongers


They are often tipped off by celebs that a half naked holiday photo shoot can be taken. Diana was a master of this tactic near the end of her life.

I don't know about nor read gossip columns but it must sell. There must be audience, so it's really down to the thirst of the reader.

[GoldHeart]

I didn't expect this :shocked:, but I knew something wasn't right . She must of not been in the right state of mind for some time.

I'm still confused by the assault story , doubt we'll ever find out the full ins and outs of her mental health or her relationship.

[Marsh.]

ITV really should’ve given her more support. It seems ITV only care about protecting their biggest stars e.g. Philip Schofield

A more apt comparison would be Ant McPartlin.

Schofield hasn't broken the law that we know of so unfair to make such a comparison.

[Beso]

Could be argued they only look after the male stars..Jason man ford is another one. .and I'm sure Trish Goddard was left out to dry some time ago.

[Twosugars]

They really don't. They report gossip and slanderous accusations that then fuels the social media brigade to pile on the hate.

If they stuck to reporting the facts it wouldn't be as bad. But they don't.
Well said.
They invent stuff to make things more sensational, manufacture and spread rumours.
And the gullible lap it up and run with it.
Hate mongers

[GoldHeart]

A more apt comparison would be Ant McPartlin.

Schofield hasn't broken the law that we know of so unfair to make such a comparison.

Caroline clearly had issues that she couldn't deal with, and the assault charges obviously pushed her over the edge.

You can't compare Ant who actually acknowledged he had a problem and went to rehab and took a long break.

But love Island is Toxic anyway, I know she wasn't a contestant. But She was a host . But look how many suicides are connected with Love Island now . The biggest question is why don't they offer support to people??.

[Moniqua]

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[hijaxers]

And the vultures like Dan Wootton talking about his own ****ing heartbreak over it when his entire ****ing career is built on ruining people's lives. It's bloody shameful.

Dan Wooton has always disgusted me and i have no idea why anyone le the turd ~ this is media hounding someone to death yet again ! I don't know what she actually did but she did not deserve to feel this was the only way out ! Shame on the tabloids ~ they caused this.

[rusticgal]

They really don't. They report gossip and slanderous accusations that then fuels the social media brigade to pile on the hate.

If they stuck to reporting the facts it wouldn't be as bad. But they don't.


I agree with that to some extent...initially my thoughts were that if papers are slanderous they can end up in court..but only the wealthy can really afford to do that :shrug:
People are hooked on social media and they can pretty much say what they like without any comeback...something needs to be done but where do you start?

[Marsh.]

Caroline clearly had issues that she couldn't deal with, and the assault charges obviously pushed her over the edge.

You can't compare Ant who actually acknowledged he had a problem and went to rehab and took a long break.

Of course I can compare. They both committed crimes whilst clearly experiencing severe personal problems in their relationships and with their mental health.

One was given a compassionate and supportive "break" from his projects, the other was thrown out with yesterday's bins. Guess which one killed themselves?

[rusticgal]

Of course I can compare. They both committed crimes whilst clearly experiencing severe personal problems in their relationships and with their mental health.

One was given a compassionate and supportive "break" from his projects, the other was thrown out with yesterday's bins. Guess which one killed themselves?



But wasn’t she given a new show?...How do we know she wasn’t offered a “break”. It seems more telling that the court case maybe was the over riding factor here.

[Zizu]

They are often tipped off by celebs that a half naked holiday photo shoot can be taken. Diana was a master of this tactic near the end of her life.



I don't know about nor read gossip columns but it must sell. There must be audience, so it's really down to the thirst of the reader.



Diana set up nude photo opportunities ??

Sounds like something from Area51


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[GoldHeart]

Of course I can compare. They both committed crimes whilst clearly experiencing severe personal problems in their relationships and with their mental health.

One was given a compassionate and supportive "break" from his projects, the other was thrown out with yesterday's bins. Guess which one killed themselves?

Like I said the TV show Love Island is Toxic ,it didn't help the other people who killed themselves either what about them??.

Again everyone's situation is different , Ant has relapsed previously and got help.

Sometimes it's too late for some people , Caroline probably cut herself off from everyone towards the end .

Who would ever think she'd kill herself??? . If someone goes home and closes the door ,you don't know what's going on or what's going to happen .

Mental health is a strange thing, people can put on a brave face until something serious happens in their life.

[Trouble1321075]

This is ****ing terrible.

All of the media outlets/trolls should hang their heads in shame at the names they were throwing at her lately, assuming that she’s decided to take her own life. She’s literally been killed by the media.

Can’t wait for the week or so of mental health awareness and tributes before everyone goes back to their normal horrible selves. What an absolute shame.

RIP Caroline.Maybe this wil serve as a wake up call to all the judgemental bigots out there who rush to judgement and demand zero tollerance from agencies like cps in these matters.
Obviously nobody male or female should lay their hands on anyone but damn they ruined her life over something her BF didnt even want to pursue. Have we had enough of this nonsense yet or to we need to ruin more lives.

RIP Caroline.

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[Marsh.]

Like I said the TV show Love Island is Toxic ,it didn't help the other people who killed themselves either what about them??.

Again everyone's situation is different , Ant has relapsed previously and got help.

Sometimes it's too late for some people , Caroline probably cut herself off from everyone towards the end .

Who would ever think she'd kill herself??? . If someone goes home and closes the door ,you don't know what's going on or what's going to happen .

Mental health is a strange thing, people can put on a brave face until something serious happens in their life.

That's not the point I was making.

Both of them had very publicised and serious incidents, the first for both of them in very successful careers. One got their unwavering support, the other didn't.

I'm not suggesting ITV themselves are to blame for what has happened to her, but it certainly can't have helped how she was feeling.

But, they had a multi-million pound deal and the majority of their biggest shows riding on Ant's wellbeing. Not that much riding on Caroline.

[Marsh.]

But wasn’t she given a new show?

Was she?

If you mean the plastic surgery one, that was filmed (and AFAIK axed) before the original incident occurred.

[Twosugars]

Diana set up nude photo opportunities ??

Sounds like something from Area51


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:laugh: well said.

The conspiracies are unreal. Everyone is guilty but the hate mongers

[GoldHeart]

That's not the point I was making.

Both of them had very publicised and serious incidents, the first for both of them in very successful careers. One got their unwavering support, the other didn't.

I'm not suggesting ITV themselves are to blame for what has happened to her, but it certainly can't have helped how she was feeling.

But, they had a multi-million pound deal and the majority of their biggest shows riding on Ant's wellbeing. Not that much riding on Caroline.

But how do you know she wasn't offered breaks or support??, How does any of us know ? .

But it sounds like you are blaming ITV as that was the channel she predominantly worked on . We already know the press & social media treats celebrities like crap.

Problem is once you've been accused and gone to court for something like assault it changes things.

If something happened to Justin Lee Collins , would you of said he should of had support?? . The guy destroyed his own career due to domestic violence. Never saw him again.



I don't know the full story of Caroline with her boyfriend, but it didn't sound healthy.

[Beso]

Obviously Diana didn't set up top less photos shoots fgs..but she was a master at press manipulation and would often offer photo opportunities.

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/20/02/768x432/skynews-papers-sunday_4921437.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20200215220222

[Zizu]

Obviously Diana didn't set up top less photos shoots fgs..but she was a master at press manipulation and would often offer photo opportunities.



How do we / you know that though ?

The press are scum and the independent photographers go to unbelievable limits to get just one photo


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[Zizu]

https://e3.365dm.com/20/02/768x432/skynews-papers-sunday_4921437.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20200215220222



That’s just last week .. she actually looked gorgeous in those photos


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[Gypsy]

I heard about Caroline's death during a birthday party this afternoon and the entire room was in shock. I can't remember the last time I literally gasped at a celeb death (or any big news story really).

RIP Caroline.

[Marsh.]

But how do you know she wasn't offered breaks or support??, How does any of us know ? .

How do I know? Because their public stance is COMPLETELY different. There was no public backing of her. Certainly nothing to the lengths they went to to protect Ant.

Problem is once you've been accused and gone to court for something like assault it changes things.

If something happened to Justin Lee Collins , would you of said he should of had support?? . The guy destroyed his own career due to domestic violence. Never saw him again.

I don't know the full story of Caroline with her boyfriend, but it didn't sound healthy.

I don't recall saying assault isn't serious, nor that there shouldn't be consequences. Support is not letting someone off, it's not pushing them to the brink. If JLC wasn't coping and was going off the deep end with a pile on from the gutter press, then yes I would say he needs support.

Ant too committed a crime, he almost killed people driving whilst completely smashed. So let's not excuse them by saying the seriousness of Caroline's actions overshadowed Ant's because it didn't.

[Marsh.]

Obviously Diana didn't set up top less photos shoots fgs..but she was a master at press manipulation and would often offer photo opportunities.

I imagine she offered opportunities to appease them so she could have the moments where they weren't hounding her constantly for photos and attention. Like toddlers, give them some chocolate to stop them screaming until dinner time. :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Who would ever think she'd kill herself???

Also, this kind of comment irks me. People shouldn't need to be at the lowest ebb and showing signs of suicidal tendencies for someone to think "Ok, that's enough". That's kind of the point.

[Jay28jay2]

This news is so tragic, it does not feel real at all. RIP

[Jay28jay2]

It’s so awful to see old threads on here and what was being said about her, as well as on twitter or other social media and now people feel sorry for her.

[Lewismacfarlane]

I just texted all my friends to remind them that if they ever feel down I'll be a text message away

[caprimint]

I can't remember the last time I literally gasped at a celeb death (or any big news story really).

RIP Caroline.
Literally same

[GoldHeart]

How do I know? Because their public stance is COMPLETELY different. There was no public backing of her. Certainly nothing to the lengths they went to to protect Ant.



I don't recall saying assault isn't serious, nor that there shouldn't be consequences. Support is not letting someone off, it's not pushing them to the brink. If JLC wasn't coping and was going off the deep end with a pile on from the gutter press, then yes I would say he needs support.

Ant too committed a crime, he almost killed people driving whilst completely smashed.

But what you're not acknowledging is Justin Lee Collins ruined his career, the guy disappeared off TV. I've never seen him again on anything. He's living a quiet life , wherever that is that's probably why he's not getting press scrutiny anymore.

Dan Osbourne was caught on tape threatening his partner ,yet he continued like nothing happened and it didn't seem to affect his publicity.

I never condoned what Ant did ,but as I stated he got help.

And I don't think people realised how badly Caroline was affected mentally . Teens are committing suicide and parents and people around them feel it could of been prevented ,but even when they're supporting them it still happens.

Just like it isn't always as simple with adults either, even if the signs are there . What about her family's involvement? did they really know the extent of it all??.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just texted all my friends to remind them that if they ever feel down I'll be a text message away

Why

[Lewismacfarlane]

Why

Its It's being kind and helpful people thats why

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its It's being kind and helpful people thats why

No it's being ridiculous

[rusticgal]

Was she?

If you mean the plastic surgery one, that was filmed (and AFAIK axed) before the original incident occurred.


I thought this was something underway after her departure from LI...my mistake but hence the question mark.

[rusticgal]

How do we / you know that though ?

The press are scum and the independent photographers go to unbelievable limits to get just one photo


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She did use the press but more so to bring about awareness...everyone who has a platform will use the press to their advantage...we see it all the time.

[Lewismacfarlane]

No it's being ridiculous

How am I being ridiculous

[GoldHeart]

I thought this was something underway after her departure from LI...my mistake but hence the question mark.

But she might of had other jobs lined up , but as I said the assault issue didn't help matters.

[Marsh.]

But what you're not acknowledging is Justin Lee Collins ruined his career, the guy disappeared off TV. I've never seen him again on anything. He's living a quiet life , wherever that is that's probably why he's not getting press scrutiny anymore.

Dan Osbourne was caught on tape threatening his partner ,yet he continued like nothing happened and it didn't seem to affect his publicity.

You're going to have to explain the relevance of either of these examples and what they have to do with anything I've said in this case?

My point was about two very similar cases in a short space of time of their employees suffering personal issues affecting their work with itv due to criminal act and the intense scrutiny they got because of it and how itv have handled both cases very differently.

JLC and Dan Osborne have nothing to do with it.

[Amy Jade]

No it's being ridiculous

How is it ridiculous for a person to remind their friends that they are always there if they feel a bit down after somebody commits suicide?

[GoldHeart]

You're going to have to explain the relevance of either of these examples and what they have to do with anything I've said in this case?

So I can't bring up other celebrities who have had media scandals / hit rock bottom . But you can bring up Ant?, even princess Diana was brough into this.

Also to answer your previous post about it "irking " you , what was wrong with what I said? . All I'm saying is it was a shock as I didn't expect suicide, I'm definitely not alone in those thoughts.

[rusticgal]

But she might of had other jobs lined up , but as I said the assault issue didn't help matters.

Well maybe she didn’t...I don’t suppose anyone would entertain her until the court case. She obviously had issues...I don’t know what they are as I know little about her tbh. It’s clearly stated she was vulnerable. Something clearly happened with her boyfriend..HE called the police and I recall the recording of his call. However, he didn’t want to press charges but the police did. They couldn’t ignore it..that’s what they have to do.
Being in the public spotlight was devastating for her....she could well have been lacking in support from those that should have..but these are facts we really don’t know. Maybe she did have support..but it wasn’t enough for her to do what she ultimately did.

[Marsh.]

So I can't bring up other celebrities who have had media scandals / hit rock bottom . But you can bring up Ant?

Erm, bring up who you want I'm asking why you're asking me to acknowledge JLC in relation to the conversation we were having.

You responded to me to disagree that there is a direct correlation between Ant and Caroline and the different ways ITV dealt with it. Your examples of JLC and Dan Osborne aren't adding anything to that (that I can see, hence me asking).

If you meant those as separate points you were making then it was probably the wording of your post.

[Marsh.]

So I can't bring up other celebrities who have had media scandals / hit rock bottom . But you can bring up Ant?, even princess Diana was brough into this.

Also to answer your previous post about it "irking " you , what was wrong with what I said? . All I'm saying is it was a shock as I didn't expect suicide, I'm definitely not alone in those thoughts.

Because you didn't say her suicide surprised you. You said "Who would think..." in direct response to my post, so I responded to it in the context of that post.

The point being, nobody close to Caroline (ie. her management and itv) should need to think she was in danger of hurting herself in order to support her through it publicly the way they did Ant.

[Mystic Mock]

Whether she's guilty or not of domestic violence, I don't feel that it's right that the Media have hounded her, and that she loses her job on LI before the Court Case had even begun.

And as horrible as domestic violence is (obviously) doesn't mean that the person should be hounded to the point where they kill themselves, and I would say the same for Jim Davidson, and anybody else that's committed domestic violence.

[Jake.]

The more I process this, the more upsetting I find it. The rags really are disgusting and, unfortunately, Caroline is simply their latest victim.

[Amy Jade]

She didn't lose her LI job did she? I thought she stepped away for this series only.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The more I process this, the more upsetting I find it. The rags really are disgusting and, unfortunately, Caroline is simply their latest victim.

And what evidence do you offer for this?

Her fame and fortune came from the tabloids. Let's see what you actually mean?

It seems you, like many, know why she died??

[Marsh.]

Her fame and fortune came from the tabloids.

Her fame and fortune came from the television shows she was employed by.

Not by the scum camped out on her doorstep.

[Jake.]

And what evidence do you offer for this?

Her fame and fortune came from the tabloids. Let's see what you actually mean?

It seems you, like many, know why she died??

Are you supporting how she was treated by the press? Because, if not, I’m failing to see what your point is.

[Jake.]

She didn't lose her LI job did she? I thought she stepped away for this series only.

I think that it would have been depending on the verdict of the court case

[Crimson Dynamo]

Her fame and fortune came from the television shows she was employed by.

Not by the scum camped out on her doorstep.

The media are the public who watch the shows.

Newspapers are the audience

[thesheriff443]

Reality is, people from all walks of life kill them selves for many reasons.

The press jumped on the story, but ultimately if there had been no assault there would be no story.

[Jake.]

The Sun deleting tons of articles from their website as we speak

[Marsh.]

The media are the public who watch the shows.

Newspapers are the audience

You're not making any sense. The paps sat on her doorstep snapping her every move are the viewing public? Erm... no.

[thesheriff443]

Fame comes at a price, and for some it costs them their life.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are you supporting how she was treated by the press? Because, if not, I’m failing to see what your point is.

Who are "the press" ?

The media who constantly publicise her shows for free?
That t make people watch L I

That generates ad revenue?

Do you understand how this works???

[Jake.]

You're not making any sense. The paps sat on her doorstep snapping her every move are the viewing public? Erm... no.

Exactly.

[Marsh.]

Reality is, people from all walks of life kill them selves for many reasons.

The press jumped on the story, but ultimately if there had been no assault there would be no story.

That's not a defence tbh.

No matter what anyone does doesn't make it fair game for someone to be kicked whilst they're down and humiliated across the papers.

She committed a crime and the police were dealing with it. It's not the job of tabloids to punish her for it.

[rusticgal]

Reality is, people from all walks of life kill them selves for many reasons.

The press jumped on the story, but ultimately if there had been no assault there would be no story.


Sadly this is true..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fame comes at a price, and for some it costs them their life.

Yes

It's a two edged sword

Some only see one edge

Their edge

The other is far sharper

[Marsh.]

The media who constantly publicise her shows for free?

For free? Erm... no.

[Crimson Dynamo]

For free? Erm... no.

Listings, reviews, awards, openings..

[Marsh.]

Listings, reviews, awards, openings..

For free? No.

[thesheriff443]

That's not a defence tbh.

No matter what anyone does doesn't make it fair game for someone to be kicked whilst they're down and humiliated across the papers.

She committed a crime and the police were dealing with it. It's not the job of tabloids to punish her for it.

When you are in the public eye people Pay to see the good the bad and the ugly it’s not right but it’s reality.

[Marsh.]

When you are in the public eye people Pay to see the good the bad and the ugly it’s not right but it’s reality.

That's right. But it shouldn't be, and incidents like this show why. That's the point.

[GoldHeart]

Erm, bring up who you want I'm asking why you're asking me to acknowledge JLC in relation to the conversation we were having.

You responded to me to disagree that there is a direct correlation between Ant and Caroline and the different ways ITV dealt with it. Your examples of JLC and Dan Osborne aren't adding anything to that (that I can see, hence me asking).

If you meant those as separate points you were making then it was probably the wording of your post.

Are you saying Ant should of been sacked and never given a job again ?. I'm not going to compare the 2 , because i still think both situations with Caroline & Ant are different. Only similarities being that they hit rock bottom /got in trouble with the law .

Because you said if JLC got the same hate & scrutiny or something? , but he ruined his career and disappeared from the limelight and lost job opportunities.

Whereas Caroline was constantly in the papers , she didn't lose her job did she?. apparently it depended on the court hearing? .I', not sure as i didn't follow the case.

And Dan Wooten is a vile goblin that attacks everyone .

[rusticgal]

That's not a defence tbh.

No matter what anyone does doesn't make it fair game for someone to be kicked whilst they're down and humiliated across the papers.

She committed a crime and the police were dealing with it. It's not the job of tabloids to punish her for it.


But she’s in the public eye...what happened happened..of course the press are going to expose it. It’s social media that causes most of the damage because they don’t get held accountable for the vile things they say.

[GoldHeart]

That's not a defence tbh.

No matter what anyone does doesn't make it fair game for someone to be kicked whilst they're down and humiliated across the papers.

She committed a crime and the police were dealing with it. It's not the job of tabloids to punish her for it.

But you know what the media are like , obviously they saw this as a big story . And anyone in the public eye of course it's going to make the news.

[thesheriff443]

That's right. But it shouldn't be, and incidents like this show why. That's the point.

Problem is, her death won’t see a change in the way the press act.

[SherzyK]

Tends to happen when you bludgeon your boyfriend at 5 am

:umm2:

[Marsh.]

Are you saying Ant should of been sacked and never given a job again ?. I'm not going to compare the 2 , because i still think both situations with Caroline & Ant are different. Only similarities being that they hit rock bottom /got in trouble with the law .

Those are the only similarities needed. Same employers, similar circumstances, within a small time frame.

I never said Ant should have got anything. I'm saying it's disgusting how differently they were treated. One publicly supported through his court appearance, told how he was being given time to deal with his issues and they were doing everything they could to help. God forbid, his reputation be in tatters when so much of ITV's schedule in the year relies on Ant & Dec and their golden handcuffs deals.

Caroline only makes a handful of appearances in the summer on an itv 2 show for a fraction of the price so wasn't afforded the same support.


Because you said if JLC got the same hate & scrutiny or something? , but he ruined his career and disappeared from the limelight and lost job opportunities.


You brought up JLC to begin with. I don't know why.
I simply said (in response to you bringing him up) if he got the same treatment as Caroline then I don't agree with that either.

[GoldHeart]

Problem is, her death won’t see a change in the way the press act.

Well why would it , this has been happening for a long time with different celebs.

[Marsh.]

Problem is, her death won’t see a change in the way the press act.

It won't. If it didn't with Diana it certainly won't now.

But, stranger things have happened.

[Marsh.]

But she’s in the public eye...what happened happened..of course the press are going to expose it. It’s social media that causes most of the damage because they don’t get held accountable for the vile things they say.

I never said anything about them reporting what had happened?

My point is do they simply report the facts of what has happened? No, they had to humiliate her and kick whilst she was down every single day for months. The Sun have took down several articles from the last few days, which have nothing to with "exposing" or reporting anything but designed to tear her down and mock her.

[GoldHeart]

Those are the only similarities needed.

I never said Ant should have got anything. I'm saying it's disgusting how differently they were treated. One publicly supported through his court appearance, told how he was being given time to deal with his issues and they were doing everything they could to help. God forbid, his reputation be in tatters when so much of ITV's schedule in the year relies on Ant & Dec and their golden handcuffs deals.

Caroline only makes a handful of appearances in the summer on an itv 2 show for a fraction of the price so wasn't afforded the same support.



You brought up JLC to begin with. I don't know why.
I simply said (in response to you bringing him up) if he got the same treatment as Caroline then I don't agree with that either.



I didn't know enough about what Ant got and didn't get, all i know is when he was caught on camera in his car crash looking dazed and out of it that it was a very low moment for him .

I know Ant & Dec are popular and they have ITV supporting them , but i don't necessarily think Ant could get away with stuff. Plus Ant knew he needed help. His relationship was ruined because of it.

Caroline pleaded not guilty didn't she? , it's all confusing as the boyfriend phoned the police in the first place and clearly they thought it was a serious matter. It was middle of a court case so it's raw and the media will lap it up.

The media attention probably would of gone onto someone else if she pulled through this.


As for reputation some people bounce back and others don't, the media and the public can be very fickle aswell.

[Marsh.]

I didn't know enough about what Ant got and didn't get, all i know is when he was caught on camera in his car crash looking dazed and out of it that it was a very low moment for him .

I know Ant & Dec are popular and they have ITV supporting them , but i don't necessarily think Ant could get away with stuff. Plus Ant knew he needed help. His relationship was ruined because of it.

Caroline pleaded not guilty didn't she? , it's all confusing as the boyfriend phoned the police in the first place and clearly they thought it was a serious matter. It was middle of a court case so it's raw and the media will lap it up.

The media attention probably would of gone onto someone else if she pulled through this.

I never said he "could get away with stuff". I feel you're not understanding what exactly my point is so I'll just politely end this here. :shrug:

[arista]

This thread is disgusting.


Why is it?


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[GoldHeart]

I never said he "could get away with stuff". I feel you're not understanding what exactly my point is so I'll just politely end this here. :shrug:

You're saying he got support and she didn't, you also made it seem like ITV are more protective of Ant because of the popularity of his & Dec's TV shows.

I already know what you're saying. As I said I don't think many people knew the full extent of her mental health, and when assault allegations get thrown it onto the mix , it complicatees things.

[arista]

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[Twosugars]

The Sun has removed an article about a “brutal” Valentine’s Day card mocking the deceased former Love Island presenter Caroline Flack from its website.

The story highlighted a card featuring a drawing of the presenter with a message saying “I’ll ****ing lamp you” but it was removed from the website and replaced with a legal warning, amid concerns about how the media handled coverage of her arrest.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/feb/15/the-sun-takes-down-article-about-caroline-flack-from-website


Papers like the Scum and online trolls have blood on their hands

[Marsh.]

You're saying he got support and she didn't, you also made it seem like ITV are more protective of Ant because of the popularity of his & Dec's TV shows.

I already know what you're saying. As I said I don't think many people knew the full extent of her mental health, and when assault allegations get thrown it onto the mix , it complicatees things.

Nope, still haven't. I'm not talking about the actual support from their loved ones, family/friends. I don't know the private situation of either in regards to that kind of thing. I'm talking about the support from their representatives at ITV, nothing else.

Nobody should need to know the full extent of her mental health in order to do basic things like support them during a public mauling. And the difference between the two was clear.

[Marsh.]

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Yes, "Saint Kate is a mum" is the leading story. :umm2:

[arista]

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[Rob!]

Hopefully scummy tabloids take note when it comes to other people who have openly shared how fragile their mental health has been. Schofield and Prince Harry to name two recent examples.

Report on the facts and nothing more. Witch hunts and gossip contribute nothing.

I sincerely ****ing doubt it. They didn’t stop after Diana, so why would a reality tv host killing herself make any difference?

Such sad news.

[Rob!]

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Unusually tactful from the People.

[arista]

Unusually tactful from the People.


Its their only day
Sunday People
must get the paper sold

[arista]

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[Alf]

Rest in Peace, Sweet one


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[Amy Jade]

The People cover is nice

[Dogeatdog]

Hopefully scummy tabloids take note when it comes to other people who have openly shared how fragile their mental health has been. Schofield and Prince Harry to name two recent examples.

Report on the facts and nothing more. Witch hunts and gossip contribute nothing.

I hope they would take notice but sadly all they care about is making money. Things like this happen and then in a matter of days the press is back to its usual self.

[Tony Montana]

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Beautiful cover.

[arista]

The People cover is nice


They want more to buy it.

[arista]

This is the 2nd Edition of the Observer
that had to Edit the Front Page after 6PM

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[Cal.]

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She really was beautiful :love:

[Zizu]

Whether she's guilty or not of domestic violence, I don't feel that it's right that the Media have hounded her, and that she loses her job on LI before the Court Case had even begun.

And as horrible as domestic violence is (obviously) doesn't mean that the person should be hounded to the point where they kill themselves, and I would say the same for Jim Davidson, and anybody else that's committed domestic violence.



I thought she’d just been ‘moved sideways’ not sacked .. they couldn’t have her presenting the current series when she’s in the middle of a court case but I understand they’d promised she’d be presenting the summer series if she was cleared in the courts .


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[Zizu]

She didn't lose her LI job did she? I thought she stepped away for this series only.



Correct


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[Zizu]

I think that it would have been depending on the verdict of the court case



What else could the producers do


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[Eddie.]

Just found out about this now and I'm in ****ing shock.

I have to admit I did drag her a bit during the whole assault drama but toxic social media and the tabloid press have definitely gone too far and look at what has happened.

RIP Caroline, isn't she the fourth Love Island suicide? Something really has to be done here. :(

[Eddie.]

Makes you really think if some BB housemates would have had the same fate if BBUK peaked today...

[Zizu]

Just found out about this now and I'm in ****ing shock.



I have to admit I did drag her a bit during the whole assault drama but toxic social media and the tabloid press have definitely gone too far and look at what has happened.



RIP Caroline, isn't she the fourth Love Island suicide? Something really has to be done here. :(



I know two ex contestants did but what’s Love Island got to do with Caroline’s decision?




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[Zizu]

Just found this ....

Looks like someone special let her down at a crucial time ..

Quote



"The last few weeks, I’ve been in a really weird place... I find it hard to talk about it .. I guess it’s anxiety & pressure of life ... and when I actually reached out to someone, they said I was draining."

"I feel like this is why some people keep their emotions to themselves. I certainly hate talking about my feelings. Being a burden is my biggest fear.... I’m lucky to be able to pick myself up when things feel sh!t. But what happens if someone can’t. Be nice to people. You never know what’s going on. Ever."



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[Kizzy]

Oh wow that person will know who she means, I hate to be in their shoes today :(

[Ammi]

...this is just incredibly sad...:sad:...apparently she had recently returned from a wellness break in America, obviously trying to find some self healing with everything her life had been recently...I can’t imagine what her family will be feeling now...well I can, I know someone who took their life and I know the devastation on her family...:sad:..she has a twin sister, I believe and two other siblings...

...her family have issued a short statement...

"We would ask that the press respect the privacy of the family at this difficult time and we would ask they make no attempt to contact us and/or photograph us."

[Ammi]

...that’s only one little snap size piece of a mind and emotions that were very troubled and in turmoil, though...it’s very sad that it’s how she felt, we now know how she felt was in a very bad and sad place...it doesn’t though indicate any ‘reality or truth’, type thing...it’s just an indication of her own sense of feelings...’someone special let her down..’...no, we don’t know that at all, we have absolutely no understanding of Caroline or her life inside herself at all...

[Denver]

The sad thing is, the people in high profile jobs who started the bullying and targeting off her today will delete everything bad said about her and pretend to be sorry for her death.

It's time for the government to act on internet Bullies and Troll and force through a law to prevent anyone no matter if they are famous or not, people shouldn't have to be made to feel hated, unwanted, unloved, ugly, different or whatever they are made to feel but we as a nation and society should actually love strangers like they are family.

To stop people committing suicide we have to make them feel like they can be listened to and feel like they mean something. Rather then attack people when they are down we should be helping them get back to their feet.

[Ammi]

.... feeling hated, unwanted, unloved, ugly, different or whatever etc....?...comes from inside and from self as well, Adam...in how our heads and emotions process things...which is why we’ll never prevent suicides, sadly...people need to be in a place for and open to ‘help’ and that’s sadly not always the case...


...I don’t justify any of the things you’ve mention, like keyboard warrior stuff...but I think ‘laying blame’ in specific areas that we just have no idea or knowledge about...?...is equally as dangerous and wrong...

[Beso]

I imagine she offered opportunities to appease them so she could have the moments where they weren't hounding her constantly for photos and attention. Like toddlers, give them some chocolate to stop them screaming until dinner time. :laugh:

But if the thirst of the baying public wasn't there in the first place then the press wouldn't be either.

[Denver]

.... feeling hated, unwanted, unloved, ugly, different or whatever etc....?...comes from inside and from self as well, Adam...in how our heads and emotions process things...which is why we’ll never prevent suicides, sadly...people need to be in a place for and open to ‘help’ and that’s sadly not always the case...


...I don’t justify any of the things you’ve mention, like keyboard warrior stuff...but I think ‘laying blame’ in specific areas that we just have no idea or knowledge about...?...is equally as dangerous and wrong...

I think in this case though it's the media and so called journalists whi have blood on their hands by not allowing her to move on and was still making nasty stories about her hours before her death and then the CPS still wanting her to be prosecuted when she was at her lowest even though the person who the charges were against made it clear he would press charges and wouldnt cooperate with them.

[GoldHeart]

Must of been an ongoing problem with her boyfriend and her mental health, who knows what was going on behind closed doors.

But once police gets involved especially when you're in the public eye, it's going to taint your reputation.

And regarding mental heath ,the media & press are called vultures for a reason. Have people forgotten the Disgusting treatment of Britney? :facepalm:.

She literally had a breakdown in front of them and they just continued taking photos of her in a vulnerable stage. They don't care about people's feelings .

[bots]

we all saw the threads here last year when no-one had a good word to say for her ... i will leave it at that

[Liam-]

we all saw the threads here last year when no-one had a good word to say for her ... i will leave it at that

Oh aye, people condemning her for assault definitely means they can’t feel sorrow for a troubled woman feeling the need to end her own life :umm2:

[arista]

we all saw the threads here last year when no-one had a good word to say for her ... i will leave it at that

So what
that's understandable considering her Violence
that she did on her fella................

She was due to go to Court for that
possible prison,
maybe you could not take it anymore
she was advised to stay offline
but went online .

[Elliot]

we all saw the threads here last year when no-one had a good word to say for her ... i will leave it at that

Oh aye, people condemning her for assault definitely means they can’t feel sorrow for a troubled woman feeling the need to end her own life :umm2:

Yeah... what a bizarre and vindictive thing to say

[GoldHeart]

we all saw the threads here last year when no-one had a good word to say for her ... i will leave it at that

FFS :facepalm: how exactly can people defend assault ??, if she beat her partner to the point where police got involved then it's wrong. Obviously people will drag her for that , are you saying everyone should of been sympathetic just to her??? .

[Amy Jade]

we all saw the threads here last year when no-one had a good word to say for her ... i will leave it at that

She had assaulted someone at the time, beyond that she has always been well liked on here. I remember several members of the forum rooting for her on Strictly also.

[Ammi]

I think in this case though it's the media and so called journalists whi have blood on their hands by not allowing her to move on and was still making nasty stories about her hours before her death and then the CPS still wanting her to be prosecuted when she was at her lowest even though the person who the charges were against made it clear he would press charges and wouldnt cooperate with them.

...I honestly, completely understand how you feel about this ..:hug:...but I just think it’s being ‘simplified’ because of what we know...but there are huge complexities to what we don’t know...maybe I’m feeling like that because of my own experience of someone I know, having taken her life...and the complexities that were involved that a ‘wider knowledge’ would not be so aware of...the tabloid media are awful, they’ve always been awful...but then we as the public ‘buy into that awFul’ with every bit of interest and debate etc, we have with their awful headlines...so how far does that ‘blood on their hands..’...extend, is the thing to think of as well...

...I understand also with the CPS...but obviously her boyfriend and the victim of the assault was emotionally involved ...and it’s for the CPS to make decisions that may go against a wish, he had...but they felt it was the right one ‘in protection of...’...you know...because there are so many potential ‘outcomes’ to situations that they have to consider as well...

[Denver]

...I honestly, completely understand how you feel about this ..:hug:...but I just think it’s being ‘simplified’ because of what we know...but there are huge complexities to what we don’t know...maybe I’m feeling like that because of my own experience of someone I know, having taken her life...and the complexities that were involved that a ‘wider knowledge’ would not be so aware of...the tabloid media are awful, they’ve always been awful...but then we as the public ‘buy into that awFul’ with every bit of interest and debate etc, we have with their awful headlines...so how far does that ‘blood on their hands..’...extend, is the thing to think of as well...

...I understand also with the CPS...but obviously her boyfriend and the victim of the assault was emotionally involved ...and it’s for the CPS to make decisions that may go against a wish, he had...but they felt it was the right one ‘in protection of...’...you know...because there are so many potential ‘outcomes’ to situations that they have to consider as well...

Om the CPS I dont think it's always in the best interest for a prison sentence especially when the accused is not mentally well, it think there are other ways they could have helped instead of pushing for a prison sentence or at least telling her that was the plan when she clearly wasnt in a fit mental state.

Also I'm sure I read she has had suicidal thoughts in the past before the whole assault thing kicked off so I do think she has been failed on a whole by everyone as in some cases it's easier to suffer then ask for help

[Liam-]

I think going to court could have been really good her her, she was clearly in a a very dark place, they could have very easily offered her the counselling and help she needed.

I’ve found her death much sadder than I thought I would, at one stage she was my favourite tv presenter, her energy and her spirit were infectious and everything she was on, she made it shine with her personality, even that disastrous series of X Factor, her being there made it work more than it should have, to very publicly see her slide into darkness shows how devastating mental health issues are, it’s sad that such a lovely woman felt there was no helping her.

[Denver]

Another sad thing is how she put so much trust into Dan Wootton for him to then lead a charge of bullying against her then he had the audacity to make out he is very sad about her death same with Piers Morgan

[Ammi]

Om the CPS I dont think it's always in the best interest for a prison sentence especially when the accused is not mentally well, it think there are other ways they could have helped instead of pushing for a prison sentence or at least telling her that was the plan when she clearly wasnt in a fit mental state.

Also I'm sure I read she has had suicidal thoughts in the past before the whole assault thing kicked off so I do think she has been failed on a whole by everyone as in some cases it's easier to suffer then ask for help

...I think that looking at areas, which could be improved...does not always mean, laying blame though...although sometimes, that might apply, it doesn’t always...it’s about learning from things also and trying to apply to apply that learning ...the understanding of mental health issues is not always there...plus there is generally a lack of resources in mental health care.../..per ratio of those who are being diagnosed with mental health concerns...


....everything about Caroline’s situation was ‘high risk’ I would say...Sadly I don’t know if there will ever be the resources to apply to those high risk situations, which should be...I fear not...

[GoldHeart]

Another sad thing is how she put so much trust into Dan Wootton for him to then lead a charge of bullying against her then he had the audacity to make out he is very sad about her death same with Piers Morgan

Dan Wooton is a slimy goblin ,why do people still give him the time of day :bored: .

Everything about him infuriates me, from his voice to how he sits like a greasy sack of potatoes with that stupid smile on his face :yuk: .

[arista]

Another sad thing is how she put so much trust into Dan Wootton for him to then lead a charge of bullying against her then he had the audacity to make out he is very sad about her death same with Piers Morgan


She can do that
nothing wrong with that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Perhaps had she not chosen to go down the fame route she would still have ended up with way just with her social life and group of friends as the vast mjority of people who take their lives do

dont forget that the day she killed herself so did 15 others in the UK, today 16 will kill themselves and tomorrow and the next day and every day this year.

People always look to blame something, its natural.

[Saph]

Its funny how people on twitter have suddenly become her biggest fan.. the fakery is too much :skull:

people can point the finger at whoever they like, but she must've had some pretty big demons over her shoulder to do something like this.

We cant say ITV didnt give her the support she needed because nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.. I do think the papers need to take this as a lesson though, they've been constantly adding fuel to the fire over this and all these people online now posting about mental illness and "rip caroline" etc are all the ones who probably read these news stories in the first place and made judgements against her. Those people are suffering from a guilty conscience now it seems..

either way its very shocking and sad and whatever way you might have felt about her its still very upsetting

[Mystic Mock]

The Sun has removed an article about a “brutal” Valentine’s Day card mocking the deceased former Love Island presenter Caroline Flack from its website.

The story highlighted a card featuring a drawing of the presenter with a message saying “I’ll ****ing lamp you” but it was removed from the website and replaced with a legal warning, amid concerns about how the media handled coverage of her arrest.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/feb/15/the-sun-takes-down-article-about-caroline-flack-from-website


Papers like the Scum and online trolls have blood on their hands

The Scum (good nickname btw) are a cold hearted Newspaper, if Rupert Murdoch was to ever read your post he'd probably be happy at the fact that his Newspaper is getting talked about rather than someone's been hounded to the point of killing herself.

Murdoch and his Media outlets are the most loathsome News outlets in the UK imo, I'd even take The Daily Mail before that slimy bastard.

[Strictly Jake]

As a forum I think we were all too quick to believe what newspapers were saying and we did point fingers and say not so nice things. But we never knew the true story and headlines were maybe misleading us who knows. I was one of the ones that said caroline should be punished as if it were the other way a man would be. Regardless of what happened this outcome is awful

We still dont know the full story but for the caroline we knew before it all she seemed a lovely and funny woman. She will be missed. Rip caroline x

[GoldHeart]

Its funny how people on twitter have suddenly become her biggest fan.. the fakery is too much :skull:

people can point the finger at whoever they like, but she must've had some pretty big demons over her shoulder to do something like this.

We cant say ITV didnt give her the support she needed because nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors.. I do think the papers need to take this as a lesson though, they've been constantly adding fuel to the fire over this and all these people online now posting about mental illness and "rip caroline" etc are all the ones who probably read these news stories in the first place and made judgements against her. Those people are suffering from a guilty conscience now it seems..

either way its very shocking and sad and whatever way you might have felt about her its still very upsetting

Of course it's tragic , I was never a Caroline flack or a Amy Winehouse fan but I can still acknowledge that it's unpleasant situations.

People like Dan Wooton are the fake ones , he talks so much garbage on everyone. He's a greasy mouldy potato.

But we all judge people due to their actions . Nobody is exempt from criticism, and the recent assault drama was obviously going to divide opinion on Caroline.

Jade Goody was one the most hated women in Britain back in CBB,then when she was diagnosed with terminal cancer people felt bad for her and stopped hating on her.

You have to remember that public opinions change more times than the wind , people are fickle that's life.

[arista]

As a forum I think we were all too quick to believe what newspapers were saying and we did point fingers and say not so nice things. But we never knew the true story and headlines were maybe misleading us who knows. I was one of the ones that said caroline should be punished as if it were the other way a man would be. Regardless of what happened this outcome is awful

We still dont know the full story but for the caroline we knew before it all she seemed a lovely and funny woman. She will be missed. Rip caroline x


Sod the Papers
it went to Court was on Every TV show and News

[Ammi]

As a forum I think we were all too quick to believe what newspapers were saying and we did point fingers and say not so nice things. But we never knew the true story and headlines were maybe misleading us who knows. I was one of the ones that said caroline should be punished as if it were the other way a man would be. Regardless of what happened this outcome is awful

We still dont know the full story but for the caroline we knew before it all she seemed a lovely and funny woman. She will be missed. Rip caroline x

...it’s kind of a mixed thing though, I think, Jake...a huge part of the forum that we are is that we discuss and debate and argue over etc...:laugh:...these stories...if we took that bit away...?...we would be taking away a large piece of what makes us, us...

[GoldHeart]

But obviously things get discussed usually the big headlines, we don't know the full story but we still form opinions and make judgements.it's not always hate .

Do I have to bring up MJ , plenty still think he was guilty :bored: . In death people will still discuss your scandals & issues .

[Twosugars]

Perhaps had she not chosen to go down the fame route she would still have ended up with way just with her social life and group of friends as the vast mjority of people who take their lives do

dont forget that the day she killed herself so did 15 others in the UK, today 16 will kill themselves and tomorrow and the next day and every day this year.

People always look to blame something, its natural.

And correct. Usually it is other people and their hateful words that are responsible. So no good shifting the blame.

[Zizu]

The real shame is that when she really needed help and reached out to a friend for help ..that person, for whatever reason told her she was ‘draining’ ... that’s sad.

I would imagine that person will keep that ‘moment’ to themselves and we will never know who it was . Probably for the best as well .


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[Kazanne]

And the vultures like Dan Wootton talking about his own ****ing heartbreak over it when his entire ****ing career is built on ruining people's lives. It's bloody shameful.

I went right off him when he was slandering Michael Jackson saying he was guilty with no proof at all, awful bloody man.

[AnnieK]

The real shame is that when she really needed help and reached out to a friend for help ..that person, for whatever reason told her she was ‘draining’ ... that’s sad.




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It is something that person will have to live with but in all honesty thats human nature too. I have a friend who is always down, no matter how many good things happen in her life she spins it to a negative. It is draining always trying to pick her up. Maybe whoever Caroline reached out to had their own problems too....

[Kazanne]

But obviously things get discussed usually the big headlines, we don't know the full story but we still form opinions and make judgements.it's not always hate .

Do I have to bring up MJ , plenty still think he was guilty :bored: . In death people will still discuss your scandals & issues .

Yes ,people were happy to read all the salacious stuff but not the other side, the tabloids were vile to MJ , no denying that , poor guy couldn't breath for them, the child abuse must have been nectar to them ,bloody leeches, as for Caroline,they really gunned for her aswell, they really do need to stop and think what they are doing to people.

[Wizard.]

I woke up forgetting about this until I checked my phone and was reminded of the news. I’m still so saddened by this.

[Tony Montana]

I woke up forgetting about this until I checked my phone and was reminded of the news. I’m still so saddened by this.

She was on my mind all day yesterday. I couldn't even sleep. :(