Caroline Flack found Dead

[Twosugars]

Wootton has a story on Cundy just in case she doesn't cooperate?

[Marsh.]

Was she the one who got glassed by Aisleyne?

[Zizu]

rather an unfortunate analogy



Game , set and match ... Boom


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[Marsh.]

What are you on about now?

[GoldHeart]

Was she the one who got glassed by Aisleyne?

That was Farah Abraham

[Marsh.]

That was Farah Abraham

:joker:

That's who she was aiming for. Who was the unfortunate casualty in the middle?

[Alf]

:joker:

That's who she was aiming for. Who was the unfortunate casualty in the middle?Wasn't it Vicky Michelle, from Allo' Allo'?

[Ammi]

:joker:

That's who she was aiming for. Who was the unfortunate casualty in the middle?

...(...it was Vicki Michelle...)...

[Tony Montana]

:joker:

That's who she was aiming for. Who was the unfortunate casualty in the middle?

Vicky Michelle.

eJAGshVXfzk

[Ammi]

...or what Alf said....

[Alf]

Vicky Michelle.

eJAGshVXfzkAny actual footage of the incident?

[GoldHeart]

...(...it was Vicki Michelle...)...

Yeah poor Vicky Michelle she didn't deserve that , it was uncalled for . I can't stand Farrah , but to throw a glass at someone like wtf !! :crazy: .

Did Aisyleyn think she was behind the bins in the ghetto or something!!?, and remember how angry she got at Grace throwing water on Suzie back in BB7 , and she does THIS !! :facepalm: .

[Tony Montana]

Any actual footage of the incident?

Nope. That's all we got.

[Marsh.]

Is there a bloody echo? :oh:

[Matthew.]

VICKY MICHELLE

[Beso]

Can I just remind you all what thread you are in.

[Zizu]

Can I just remind you all what thread you are in.



It’s just thoughtless disrespect :)


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[Beso]

It’s just thoughtless disrespect :)


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It will be the cocaine talking.

[Ammi]

Caroline Flack's family has released a powerful message the TV presenter wrote days before she died, but was advised not to share on social media.

The unpublished Instagram post was written before she died in which she said her arrest for assaulting her boyfriend meant "within 24 hours my whole world and future was swept from under my feet and all the walls that I had taken so long to build around me, collapsed."

The former Love Island presenter said pictures from the scene of the incident featured her own blood and were sold to a newspaper, although she did not say who was responsible for leaking the images.


The note - which Flack was advised not to post - has been shared by her family and published in the Eastern Daily Press.

It said: "Within 24 hours my whole world and future was swept from under my feet and all the walls that I had taken so long to build around me, collapsed. I am suddenly on a different kind of stage and everyone is watching it happen.

"I have always taken responsibility for what happened that night. Even on the night. But the truth is .... It was an accident."

Flack said she had been having "some sort of emotional breakdown for a very long time".

She added: "But I am NOT a domestic abuser.

"We had an argument and an accident happened. An accident."

Her mum Chris told the EDP: "Carrie sent me this message at the end of January but was told not to post it by advisers but she so wanted to have her little voice heard.

"So many untruths were out there but this is how she felt and my family and I would like people to read her own words.

"Carrie was surrounded by love and friends but this was just too much for her.

"Her friends Molly, Lou, Sam, Liam and Simon need a very special mention and lots of thanks for trying so hard to keep her safe."

Mrs Flack added: "Jody her twin sister was there her whole life for her but this time nothing could take away the hurt of such injustice

"As Carrie would say: 'In a nasty world just be kind.'"

An inquest into Miss Flack's death is due to be opened at Poplar Coroner's Court this morning.

"For a lot of people, being arrested for common assault is an extreme way to have some sort of spiritual awakening but for me it's become the normal.

I've been pressing the snooze button on many stresses in my life - for my whole life. I've accepted shame and toxic opinions on my life for over 10 years and yet told myself it's all part of my job. No complaining.

The problem with brushing things under the carpet is .... they are still there and one day someone is going to lift that carpet up and all you are going to feel is shame and embarrassment.

On December the 12th 2019 I was arrested for common assault on my boyfriend ...Within 24 hours my whole world and future was swept from under my feet and all the walls that I had taken so long to build around me, collapsed. I am suddenly on a different kind of stage and everyone is watching it happen.

I have always taken responsibility for what happened that night. Even on the night. But the truth is .... It was an accident.

I've been having some sort of emotional breakdown for a very long time.

But I am NOT a domestic abuser. We had an argument and an accident happened. An accident. The blood that someone SOLD to a newspaper was MY blood and that was something very sad and very personal.

The reason I am talking today is because my family can't take anymore. I've lost my job. My home. My ability to speak. And the truth has been taken out of my hands and used as entertainment.

I can't spend every day hidden away being told not to say or speak to anyone.

I'm so sorry to my family for what I have brought upon them and for what my friends have had to go through.

I'm not thinking about 'how I'm going to get my career back.' I'm thinking about how I'm going to get mine and my family's life back.

I can't say anymore than that."

https://www.lbcnews.co.uk/uk-news/caroline-flack-release-unpublished-instagram-post/

[bots]

so that previous photo published of the crime scene that everyone thought was fake .... was real

[Ammi]

...we honestly don’t know, bots...but the Inquest will begin today...

[Crimson Dynamo]

if she was going to court with a defence of "it was an accident" i think she could possibly have ended up with time in jail as an example set by the judge.

[Vanessa]

Her boyfriend said he wasn't bleeding and the blood was from her. Self inflicted wounds.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Her boyfriend said he wasn't bleeding and the blood was from her. Self inflicted wounds.

he told the police "she tried to kill me" and the police have video of when they arrived and the wounds to both. What he said later to try and avoid her prosecution (after presumably she at length pleased with him not to end her career and may have even threatened that she would kill herself (as she did to police) - would be taken very much into account in court..

[Zizu]

Her boyfriend said he wasn't bleeding and the blood was from her. Self inflicted wounds.



An account of events I saw yesterday suggested she’d cut her arm accidentally on a damaged glass table as she trashed the place ..


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[Amy Jade]

It's so sad all this is coming out too late.

I think CPS were using her to make a point and it's hideous.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's so sad all this is coming out too late.

I think CPS were using her to make a point and it's hideous.

what point?

[bots]

the CPS doesn't make an example of anyone. They make a judgment based on defined metrics if there is a strong likelihood of conviction. We must remember that they don't decide the innocence or guilt of anyone.

Attempting to blame the CPS is ridiculous

[Kate!]

Just read now that Caroline hanged herself. Feel sick. Xx

[Niamh.]

Just read now that Caroline hanged herself. Feel sick. Xx

That dispels the "cry for help" angle then.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That dispels the "cry for help" angle then.

yes indeed, how horrible and to properly hang yourself with no pain you need a drop equal to your body weight which i doubt she had in a flat so she would have had a very nasty end.

[AnnieK]

the CPS doesn't make an example of anyone. They make a judgment based on defined metrics if there is a strong likelihood of conviction. We must remember that they don't decide the innocence or guilt of anyone.

Attempting to blame the CPS is ridiculous

I read in one report that the CPS initially were NOT going to charge and only reversed that position after being pressed by the Police.

The CPS have so far refused to comment merely suggested there was "more evidence" and the case was "in the public interest". Sadly we will never know now and Caroline will never get her name cleared if there really were no charges to answer,

[Livia]

This story has had a strange effect on me. I wasn't a rabid Caroline fan, didn't really know her too much before she won Strictly, although she became my favourite on that show. Everyone has a right to privacy and the fact that the tabloids did what they do best, splitting open people's lives when they are their most vulnerable for the entertainment of others, is despicable. I hope that something is done about both the press and the mindless trolls on the web. How sad that such a beautiful, accomplished woman can be so wounded that she takes her own life is just beyond comprehension.

[Niamh.]

yes indeed, how horrible and to properly hang yourself with no pain you need a drop equal to your body weight which i doubt she had in a flat so she would have had a very nasty end.

That's how my best friend committed suicide also. I wish I hadn't found out that was how she did it, I didn't want to know and had managed to avoid finding out for a bit but overheard someone say it. It's hard to get that mental image out of your head

[Mystic Mock]

Millie Bobby Brown is not and Billy Eilish wasn't when he was heavily texting her. I'd draw the line at making outright accusations with no evidence BUT I think we (society) might want to be careful... We don't want to side step into a territory where we're afraid to call out questionable behaviour because we're too scared to do so.

It is questionable for a man in his 30's to be extensively messaging teenage girls. It doesn't mean he's "a paedo" but it also doesn't mean people should be afraid to point out that they think it's inappropriate.

It's strange, but he might be an immature person who can build a better friendship with teens because he mentally might behave like a teenager.

[Ammi]

...hanging was also how the person I knew, took their own life...it’s sadly something that we’re hearing more and more of as well...

[Niamh.]

...hanging was also how the person I knew, took their own life...it’s sadly something that we’re hearing more and more of as well...

:hug:

[Mystic Mock]

It was a rapist by a rph and he did it more than once and when asked to elaborate he had nothing, he literally called him a rapist because he didn't like him.

I had a feeling that it came from Rph, but I couldn't be 100% confident on what he exactly called him, thanks for clarifying though Amy Jade as my memory has gone to **** over that series.:blush:

It was a disgusting comment from him either way imo, nobody on TV deserves baseless accusations like that.

[Ammi]

...even though those who were closest to her may have been totally aware of her emotional fragility...it’s sadly not always possible to prevent...

[Niamh.]

...even though those who were closest to her may have been totally aware of her emotional fragility...it’s sadly not always possible to prevent...

No unfortunately not :(

[arista]

Just read now that Caroline hanged herself. Feel sick. Xx


Not nice for the Police Officer's
that went in.

[Ammi]

..it’s sadly not always applicable to lay blame either....sometimes lives and events unfold in a way that’s overwhelming to an already fragile emotional and mental health state and the layers become too much...and it’s just terribly, terribly sad...

[Mystic Mock]

Just read now that Caroline hanged herself. Feel sick. Xx

That's terrible.

Like Niamh said she clearly wasn't crying for help.

I just wish that we could undo all of those mock/abuse threads on here, the abuse that she received on Social Media, and the Newspapers treating it like it was a Comedy despite ruining someone else's life in the process.

Maybe she would still be alive. Especially if people on Social Media and the Newspapers had've behaved differently.

[Twosugars]

This story has had a strange effect on me. I wasn't a rabid Caroline fan, didn't really know her too much before she won Strictly, although she became my favourite on that show. Everyone has a right to privacy and the fact that the tabloids did what they do best, splitting open people's lives when they are their most vulnerable for the entertainment of others, is despicable. I hope that something is done about both the press and the mindless trolls on the web. How sad that such a beautiful, accomplished woman can be so wounded that she takes her own life is just beyond comprehension.

Well said.

[GoldHeart]

..it’s sadly not always applicable to lay blame either....sometimes lives and events unfold in a way that’s overwhelming to an already fragile emotional and mental health state and the layers become too much...and it’s just terribly, terribly sad...

Putting the blame on others doesn't change things , what about other people in the media who have been harassed & hounded. Some who haven't even done anything wrong except for just existing.

Is it going to take a suicide everytime for people to feel sympathy or that treatment went too far ? .

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's terrible.

Like Niamh said she clearly wasn't crying for help.

I just wish that we could undo all of those mock/abuse threads on here, the abuse that she received on Social Media, and the Newspapers treating it like it was a Comedy despite ruining someone else's life in the process.

Maybe she would still be alive. Especially if people on Social Media and the Newspapers had've behaved differently.

No Mock , its already been stated it was fully related to the attack and the trial, she feared losing all she had built up, she did not want to face the trial and probably prosecution, so she took her life. She had a great relationship with the media and was treated no differently than any other celeb.

[Twosugars]

Putting the blame on others doesn't change things , what about other people in the media who have been harassed & hounded. Some who haven't even done anything wrong except for just existing.

Is it going to take a suicide everytime for people to feel sympathy or that treatment went too far ? .

But apparently feeling sympathy is "virtue signalling" according to some :facepalm:

[GoldHeart]

I think she was more scared and worried about the trial & body cam footage , not everything is social media's fault.

[Twosugars]

No Mock , its already been stated it was fully related to the attack and the trial, she feared losing all she had built up, she did not want to face the trial and probably prosecution, so she took her life. She had a great relationship with the media and was treated no differently than any other celeb.

Yeah , you go and conveniently ignore the evidence of hounding by the press

[bots]

as much as people need/want to attribute a cause, it's very rarely that simple.

[GoldHeart]

But apparently feeling sympathy is "virtue signalling" according to some :facepalm:

Alexandra Burke got disgusting hate especially online , but that seemed acceptable :suspect: .

If the poor girl had died or killed herself , then would those nasty things of been addressed more. I just find it bizzare.

It shouldn't have to take suicide to realise some of these people don't deserve this hate, Alexandra did nothing yet got alot of abuse & hate :bored: .

[Twosugars]

QUOTE=Kazanne;10780488]They have a lot to apologise for,
https://i.imgur.com/WqEfGgj.jpg[/QUOTE]

In case we forget

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah , you go and conveniently ignore the evidence of hounding by the press

And the press aren't going to blame themselves.

[Crimson Dynamo]

QUOTE=Kazanne;10780488]They have a lot to apologise for,
https://i.imgur.com/WqEfGgj.jpg

In case we forget[/QUOTE]

yes thanks TS no different reporting had it been any other celeb, in fact probably it would have been worse as CF had a great relationship with the tabloids.

And as a media savvy woman who used the press for 20 years she would have understood much better than anyone on the thread how they operate.

[Twosugars]

And the press aren't going to blame themselves.

Of course not.

The Scum had to scramble to remove another hateful piece about her on the very day she died. Then quickly switched to being all respectful and lying into ITV and CPS.

Shameless bastards.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Her good friend Lizzy Cundy said last night that she thought that the stories that it was to do with press hounding were utter rubbish as they had a great working relationship with the tabloids, especially the SUN (hence the bf using The SUn to tell his sad tale)


SO i think I will listen to her actual friends rather than TS, with respect

[Twosugars]

yes thanks TS no different reporting had it been any other celeb, in fact probably it would have been worse as CF had a great relationship with the tabloids.

And as a media savvy woman who used the press for 20 years she would have understood much better than anyone on the thread how they operate.

Hasn't crossed your mind this kind of "reporting" is wrong no matter about who?

And dont speak for her telling us how she felt faced with all powerful press.

[Twosugars]

Her good friend Lizzy Cundy said last night that she thought that the stories that it was to do with press hounding were utter rubbish as they had a great working relationship with the tabloids, especially the SUN (hence the bf using The SUn to tell his sad tale)


SO i think I will listen to her actual friends rather than TS, with respect

And I will regard the actual evidence of hounding rather than listening to you speaking for the dead

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hasn't crossed your mind this kind of "reporting" is wrong no matter about who?

And dont speak for her telling us how she felt faced with all powerful press.

No, it reflects society and if they did not they would not be bought. You use the failing Guardian for news so there are options for everyone and if you dont like a newspaper dont buy it or look at it. Lots of choice in a free market.

[Glenn.]

Anyone that can say the press didn’t hound her is a genuine troll. There’s nothing you can say that makes it okay to do that, regardless whether she had a relationship with the tabloids.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anyone that can say the press didn’t hound her is a genuine troll. There’s nothing you can say that makes it okay to do that, regardless whether she had a relationship with the tabloids.

Her close friend Lizzy Cundy said just that live on Talk Radio last night. SO calling a dead womans friend a troll for telling the truth

makes you what?


(you can listen again if you wish) she says categorically "she was not hounded by the press". she was abused on twitter, insta and other social media just as all celebs are

[Livia]

She was hounded by a range of people, all of them disgusting. Trolls, the press... it was an amalgamation of people taking a delight in watching her downfall, and twisting the knife with their ugly words. It was so bad she took her own life. I don't know why we have to say who should take the most blame.

[AnnieK]

She was hounded by a range of people, all of them disgusting. Trolls, the press... it was an amalgamation of people taking a delight in watching her downfall, and twisting the knife with their ugly words. It was so bad she took her own life. I don't know why we have to say who should take the most blame.

Completely agree this - she faced negative attention from all angles - including her own demons. A very sad end to a life :sad:

[Jigs]

Lizzie Cundy has always been desperate to stay in the papers and to maintain good relationships with editors, etc.

She wouldn't say anything bad about the press because she relies on building rapport with journalists in order to even stay relevant enough for an appearance on Jeremy Vine or GMB.

I would take what Cundy says with a grain of salt. She never seems to know what she's talking about and this instance is no exception.

[Ammi]

Whilst I get what you're saying... The hypocrisy of calling people out for trying to start petty arguments, whilst... trying to start a petty argument... is not something I can really get my head around.

An awful lot of hypocrisy and holier-than-thou attitudes flying around on this thread to be honest. We're on a forum for reality television fans, ffs. We may have varying leg lengths, but not one of us has two full legs to stand on here.

...I’m just going to go back to something that was said by TS because it’s what I truly believe as well...the last sentence specifically, so I’ll just re-quote that...

...we may have varying leg lengths, but not one of us has two full legs to stand on here...


....if we lay blame, we have to look at ourselves also because the whole thing of a discussion forum such as this...is to discuss media articles and many involving celebrities...at some point we will each have given ‘harsh words’ involving some celebrity that may have not been Caroline...but it doesn’t change that we each have to take responsibility for our own words and how we use them...rather than looking to lay blame outwardly...

[thesheriff443]

Look actions get reactions.

She was in a dark place before the assault charge. It was probably all the final straw that broke camels back.

Her bf said to the operator she is trying to kill me, that is not someone who has been hit by accident.

Papers report the news and this was news, you can slag off the papers all you want but we was all on here discussing her life!!!!

[Alf]

Anyone that can say the press didn’t hound her is a genuine troll. There’s nothing you can say that makes it okay to do that, regardless whether she had a relationship with the tabloids.I'm proud to be a troll.

Trolls are the best.

[Nicky91]

some still want to defend their actions on here :umm2:

how low has this forum gotten?

excuse me for saying this, but it's already sad enough that she's dead, but some going on and on with more negativity and nastiness about her

give her some rest, and let this be a learning experience for any trolls on social media/forums, press to be a lot less aggressive


i'm disgusted reading some of this thread's posts

[Twosugars]

No, it reflects society and if they did not they would not be bought. You use the failing Guardian for news so there are options for everyone and if you dont like a newspaper dont buy it or look at it. Lots of choice in a free market.

A morally bankrupt and vile argument

[arista]

some still want to defend their actions on here :umm2:

how low has this forum gotten?

excuse me for saying this, but it's already sad enough that she's dead, but some going on and on with more negativity and nastiness about her

give her some rest, and let this be a learning experience for any trolls on social media/forums, press to be a lot less aggressive


i'm disgusted reading some of this thread's posts


Its a Public Forum
Not Controlled by any Main Stream Media.
So its a Great Forum
like no other.

[Alf]

A morally bankrupt and vile argument#Bekind

[Mystic Mock]

...I’m just going to go back to something that was said by TS because it’s what I truly believe as well...the last sentence specifically, so I’ll just re-quote that...

...we may have varying leg lengths, but not one of us has two full legs to stand on here...


....if we lay blame, we have to look at ourselves also because the whole thing of a discussion forum such as this...is to discuss media articles and many involving celebrities...at some point we will each have given ‘harsh words’ involving some celebrity that may have not been Caroline...but it doesn’t change that we each have to take responsibility for our own words and how we use them...rather than looking to lay blame outwardly...

I agree that on here most of us have probably gone too far with some of our comments about people on TV (I know that I have sadly) but the Media does have a responsibility to report the facts and only the facts, especially considering they have about 4 times the amount of people reading their headlines than people reading our posts on TIBB.

So when they're mocking Celebrities relentlessly, it does carry more weight, because lets face it did Caroline Flack even know that this Forum even exists? I highly doubt it.

I'm not saying that people on this Forum should be disrespectful to Celebrities or Reality TV Contestants because they're not very likely to read it, but lets face it, it'll be a very odd day if TIBB were even remotely responsible for a Celebrity to go and commit suicide.

[Kazanne]

I think we all know someone who has taken their own life, I have known at least 3 and all chose to hang themselves , I could not imagine that dark place you have to be in to even contemplate that, it must be a awful way to go, but so many chose that way , is it really that quick ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree that on here most of us have probably gone too far with some of our comments about people on TV (I know that I have sadly) but the Media does have a responsibility to report the facts and only the facts, especially considering they have about 4 times the amount of people reading their headlines than people reading our posts on TIBB.

So when they're mocking Celebrities relentlessly, it does carry more weight, because lets face it did Caroline Flack even know that this Forum even exists? I highly doubt it.

I'm not saying that people on this Forum should be disrespectful to Celebrities or Reality TV Contestants because they're not very likely to read it, but lets face it, it'll be a very odd day if TIBB were even remotely responsible for a Celebrity to go and commit suicide.

Thing is Mock the press in the UK are highly regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) and IMPRESS (Independent Monitor for the Press)

They are closely scrutinized.


But anyone can publish on Twitter and Facebook/Insta as they have no independant regulator and dont come under UK law

Thankfully this Government just announced that the UK government will give Ofcom new regulatory powers to police what is posted on the internet. The decision was made as part of a new “online harms“ plan that ministers say will protect people as they use the internet. :clap1:

[Glenn.]

Her close friend Lizzy Cundy said just that live on Talk Radio last night. SO calling a dead womans friend a troll for telling the truth

makes you what?


(you can listen again if you wish) she says categorically "she was not hounded by the press". she was abused on twitter, insta and other social media just as all celebs are

QUOTE=Kazanne;10780488]They have a lot to apologise for,
https://i.imgur.com/WqEfGgj.jpg

In case we forget[/QUOTE]

No of course she wasn’t hounded by the press. The Scum deleting stories after her death is completely normal.

[user104658]

Look actions get reactions.

She was in a dark place before the assault charge. It was probably all the final straw that broke camels back.

Her bf said to the operator she is trying to kill me, that is not someone who has been hit by accident.

Papers report the news and this was news, you can slag off the papers all you want but we was all on here discussing her life!!!!

Piecing together all of the latest stuff, it seems like she was out of control and lashing out - hurting herself and him in the process. In terms of severity I have to be honest and say I don't consider that an accident. Even if she didn't really intend to hurt him, lashing out / throwing things etc. and someone being hurt in the crossfire isn't just an accident. However, it does seem like the main reason he called the police was because he was worried that she was going to end up severely hurting herself, and despite being much bigger than her, he found that he couldn't stop her without getting hurt himself.

Ita a complicated situation really. Yes it seems like she was in a very dark place and that's what lead to the police incident - which was "the straw that broke the camels back" - but I do think that's exactly why there are lessons to be learned. Ant McPartlin's drink driving situation is similar. We (the public, and the press, which is all one according to LT, but that doesn't really matter) could do to be more considerate of people who, yes, have done "bad stuff" but who are clearly in a very dark place. We can point out that someone's actions are dangerous and unacceptable whilst still having empathy for that person,and that's what's missing from all of the reports and discussions. It's all spread out as light entertainment... Not as part of a wider discussion about the pressure people find themselves under. With celebrities especially... It often comes with this attitude of, "they're rich and famous, how can they be in a bad place, what a joke" when obviously, mental health has nothing at all to do with those things, and the press spotlight clearly can make things worse.

[Crimson Dynamo]

In case we forget

No of course she wasn’t hounded by the press. The Scum deleting stories after her death is completely normal.[/QUOTE]

Just normal tabloid stories reporting on a celeb, you see them every single day and have done so long before you were born

here are a few

https://www.littlereddog.info/images/collectables/vintage-newspapers-1970s/lrd0856-vintage-1970s-sun-newspaper-for-sale-a.jpg
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/DD-COMPOSITE-FRONT-PAGES.jpg
https://www.opnlttr.com/sites/default/files/the-sun-3-february-2012-001.jpg

[GoldHeart]

I think we all know someone who has taken their own life, I have known at least 3 and all chose to hang themselves , I could not imagine that dark place you have to be in to even contemplate that, it must be a awful way to go, but so many chose that way , is it really that quick ?

I was assuming Caroline overdosed, but yeah some hang themselves which is grim .

[Mystic Mock]

Thing is Mock the press in the UK are highly regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) and IMPRESS (Independent Monitor for the Press)

They are closely scrutinized.


But anyone can publish on Twitter and Facebook/Insta as they have no independant regulator and dont come under UK law

Thankfully this Government just announced that the UK government will give Ofcom new regulatory powers to police what is posted on the internet. The decision was made as part of a new “online harms“ plan that ministers say will protect people as they use the internet. :clap1:

They're clearly not being scrutinized enough in that case.

It's a good policy to police Social Media to some extent as some people think that they can post whatever they like on there.

However we do need to be careful and not turn into a European version of China with the heavy Internet censorship as this is a potential slippery slope.

[Glenn.]

No of course she wasn’t hounded by the press. The Scum deleting stories after her death is completely normal.

Just normal tabloid stories reporting on a celeb, you see them every single day and have done so long before you were born

here are a few

https://www.littlereddog.info/images/collectables/vintage-newspapers-1970s/lrd0856-vintage-1970s-sun-newspaper-for-sale-a.jpg
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/DD-COMPOSITE-FRONT-PAGES.jpg
https://www.opnlttr.com/sites/default/files/the-sun-3-february-2012-001.jpg[/QUOTE]
I’m fully aware how the press works LT which is the issue itself.

[Livia]

None of us know what really happened. Everything we're discussing is conjecture. The bottom line is that she was so damaged by the reaction to events that she killed herself. None of us can know the full reasons... we're only privy to unsubstantiated "news". It happened to George Michael... it happens to a lot of celebrities. How many more have to reach a place so hopeless that they feel there's no return?

The tabloid press in the UK make me ashamed.

[Mystic Mock]

No of course she wasn’t hounded by the press. The Scum deleting stories after her death is completely normal.

Just normal tabloid stories reporting on a celeb, you see them every single day and have done so long before you were born

here are a few

https://www.littlereddog.info/images/collectables/vintage-newspapers-1970s/lrd0856-vintage-1970s-sun-newspaper-for-sale-a.jpg
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/DD-COMPOSITE-FRONT-PAGES.jpg
https://www.opnlttr.com/sites/default/files/the-sun-3-february-2012-001.jpg[/QUOTE]

Going off topic for a second, but "Mom canes Head" did I read that right?:joker:

[bots]

the tabloid press have been disgusting for decades. These papers provide the British readership with what they want, and they buy it. If there wasn't money in it, they wouldn't do it. The tabloids are a reflection of the british people, giving people what they want to read.

It is a free press, and long may it continue. The simple truth is that people can stop reading it ... they are not forced to

[Crimson Dynamo]

the tabloid press have been disgusting for decades. These papers provide the British readership with what they want, and they buy it. If there wasn't money in it, they wouldn't do it. The tabloids are a reflection of the british people, giving people what they want to read.

It is a free press, and long may it continue. The simple truth is that people can stop reading it ... they are not forced to

simple truth

[Amy Jade]

I think she was more scared and worried about the trial & body cam footage , not everything is social media's fault.

But the press and social media is sadly where it would have ended up most likely and she was clearly being tortured by some, so much so she was reaching out to others for help.

Fathers for Justice were utterly disgusting towards her, the guy who runs their social media should be bloody ashamed of himself.

[Zizu]

I think we all know someone who has taken their own life, I have known at least 3 and all chose to hang themselves , I could not imagine that dark place you have to be in to even contemplate that, it must be a awful way to go, but so many chose that way , is it really that quick ?



I don’t know of a single person to do that and I’m in my early 60’s ...


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[user104658]

Just normal tabloid stories reporting on a celeb, you see them every single day and have done so long before you were born


"It's been going on for decades so it's fine, normal and something we just have to accept"

Can you actually explain that logic LT? This idea that something is OK "because it's been going on for ages" is a bit odd.

Even if you were trying to say that it's just human nature, which it may be a LITTLE bit, but there is a general concensus that the tabloid press is worse - and notably, is taken more seriously as an actual news source - in the UK than in any other country.

For example its not like the US doesn't have tabloid "journalism" / paparazzi etc... And yet, US celebrities seem to know (and warn each other frequently) about the UK press and to be careful and prepared.

They sensationalise, dramatise, exaggerate and outright lie CONSTANTLY to generate clicks and sales. They know that when they're called out on it they can issue a small "correction", or make a small payout. All just part of the business model. Doesn't matter if you lie to generate sales; you can just pay the person off under the table later and still make a profit. The whole thing is a shambles.

[Amy Jade]

"It's been going on for decades so it's fine, normal and something we just have to accept"

Can you actually explain that logic LT? This idea that something is OK "because it's been going on for ages" is a bit odd.

Even if you were trying to say that it's just human nature, which it may be a LITTLE bit, but there is a general concensus that the tabloid press is worse - and notably, is taken more seriously as an actual news source - in the UK than in any other country.

For example its not like the US doesn't have tabloid "journalism" / paparazzi etc... And yet, US celebrities seem to know (and warn each other frequently) about the UK press and to be careful and prepared.

They sensationalise, dramatise, exaggerate and outright lie CONSTANTLY to generate clicks and sales. They know that when they're called out on it they can issue a small "correction", or make a small payout. All just part of the business model. Doesn't matter if you lie to generate sales; you can just pay the person off under the table later and still make a profit. The whole thing is a shambles.
:clap1:

Just because something has been going on for years doesn't mean it is right. It's outright bullying, people profiting off of someone else's misery and it's sickening.

[Livia]

It IS sickening. Time for something to change.

[Kazanne]

I don’t know of a single person to do that and I’m in my early 60’s ...


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You're lucky then Zizu, hope you never experience that.

[Tom4784]

The UK is infamous for being atrocious when it comes to the press. Something has to change but I don't honestly think it will. This isn't the first death you could contribute to the culture of bullying and harasmment by the press and it probably won't be the last, sadly.

[arista]

The UK is infamous for being atrocious when it comes to the press. Something has to change but I don't honestly think it will. This isn't the first death you could contribute to the culture of bullying and harasmment by the press and it probably won't be the last, sadly.


Forget the Press
She was on TV News
and the Police released photos
all the blood.


At the time of the attack she went wild
Extreme Violence
it was shocking.
She was ashamed of herself


Her fella did not want it in Court?
But once Police are at the scene, its unstoppable.

[Marsh.]

Just normal tabloid stories reporting on a celeb

The Valentines card article was not reporting anything. It was tearing someone down for a laugh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tabloid journalists are often criticised for the stories they write, even by their industry peers, but to draw a link between credible, factual news reporting and suicide is unfair and unhelpful.

In fact suicide prevention charity Samaritans advises against suggesting that a single incident caused someone to take their own life.

Already journalists are facing online abuse over Flack’s death, with Mirror, Express and Star publisher Reach offering guidance to reporters, including offering to remove links to their Twitter accounts in bylines.

The abuse has prompted Reach group editor-in-chief Lloyd Embley to send a message to staff today defending its online coverage, saying there is “no evidence” it had been “irresponsible”.

“Unfortunately it seems that in the current climate some people are desperate to blame the mainstream media for everything that goes wrong,” he added.

A common mistake among non-journalists is to assume intention in a story. Often it is the simple reporting of interesting facts delivered “without fear or favour”, as the industry refrain goes.

The allegations against Flack were being pursued by the Crown Prosecution Service and details had already emerged in a court hearing ahead of a trial next month.

For a national newspaper not to report this would have been strange indeed

https://pressgazette.co.uk/journalists-face-abuse-after-caroline-flack-death-sparks-anger-at-tabloid-coverage/

[Twosugars]

The Valentines card article was not reporting anything. It was tearing someone down for a laugh.

Showing their spiteful cruelty in the process.

Hateful people

[Marsh.]

but to draw a link between credible, factual news reporting and suicide is unfair and unhelpful.

Nobody has done that.

The Sun is not factual or credible.

[Marsh.]

In fact, the definition of "tabloid" makes them the opposite of factual and credible. :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

"I think people blaming the press, dog-piling on to journalists, is lazy, it's wrong, it's naive," Ms Robertson said, "calling journalists murderers, saying they've got blood on their hands... it's not only hypocritical, two wrongs do not make a right."

"Caroline was a pro in the sense of celebrity, she recognised the need for press," she said, "not only that, but many editors and journalists were her friends. She'd go to lunch, she'd go to dinners with them, she knew that they had jobs to do.

"They protected her, there are things that the public will never ever ever hear because they kept it out of the media because they liked Caroline.

"I just think it's hypocritical for people to attack those very people who - some of them were friends with Caroline," she said, "it's not the media's fault Caroline was sadly, very sadly, suicidal and depressed."

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/caroline-flack-its-not-the-medias-fault/

[Marsh.]

"Showbiz" reporter Sarah Robertson said.

:thumbs:

[Kazanne]

Can we just stop a minute,Did anyone know she could sing ?
Sba68dICy3U

I thought this was lovely.

[Josiah.]

Just in-case no one saw this: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/caroline-flack-died-by-suicide-coroner-says-1279907

It's really sad now knowing how she ended her life. She had so much ahead of her.

[Marsh.]

Can we just stop a minute,Did anyone know she could sing ?
Sba68dICy3U

I thought this was lovely.

Yeah, wasn't she in Chicago in 2017 or something.

[Kazanne]

Yeah, wasn't she in Chicago in 2017 or something.

I didn't know that, didnt even know she could sing, I thought she was just a TV presenter.

[Marsh.]

She was mainly, but she tried branching out into musical theatre and acting in more recent years.

She has a small role in Steve Coogan's new movie too.

[GoldHeart]

How exactly are they going to police this whole trolling thing ? , hateful people like Hopkins & Trump will just abuse the system by claiming they've been "attacked online" :bored: .

[Twosugars]

How exactly are they going to police this whole trolling thing ? , hateful people like Hopkins & Trump will just abuse the system by claiming they've been "attacked online" :bored: .

Permabanning trolls ? :fc:

[Josiah.]

Are you guys just gonna gloss over the fact that she hung herself?

I get the trolling stuff that you guys are talking about, but Trump's even worse than a troll... and I have to live in the country that he's president of.

[Marsh.]

Are you guys just gonna gloss over the fact that she hung herself?

? :conf:

What exactly are you expecting to be said? Facts are she killed herself, no matter what method was used.

[Crimson Dynamo]

? :conf:

What exactly are you expecting to be said? Facts are she killed herself, no matter what method was used.

It was either going to be pills or hanging:shrug:

[Twosugars]

It was either going to be pills or hanging:shrug:

Why? There are other options.
Let's not speculate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why? There are other options.
Let's not speculate.

The two most common by miles

If I wish to speculate based on intelligent supposition I will.

[Marsh.]

No speculation needed, we now know how she died. :)

[Crimson Dynamo]

[QUOTE=Marsh.;10783063]No speculation needed, we now know how she died. :)[/QUOTE

Yes by the most common method

2nd is pills
As previously stated

[Amy Jade]

Molly Mae from last years love island is donating all profits from her clothing line to MIND in memory of Caroline. What a lovely gesture and yet again a slap in the face to her haters who claim she is all about money. Still with Tommy and donating 100% profits to charity.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/reality-tv/a30971321/love-island-molly-mae-donates-charity-caroline-flack/

[Twosugars]

It was either going to be pills or hanging:shrug:

No need to speculate what it would have been.
Picking two most common methods does not mean she was bound to do the same.

[Zizu]

No need to speculate what it would have been.
Picking two most common methods does not mean she was bound to do the same.



It was just simply a figure of speech not a statement of fact tbf


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[GoldHeart]

Permabanning trolls ? :fc:

2S you're missing the point , there's already a huge problem on YT of big channels getting salty because their ego's get bruised . Apparently any criticism is "bullying" & "hate" according to them :crazy: .

So they go after smaller YT channels and get them striked , like I said a system in place to protect gets abused by idiots like that who can't take any honest critique or jokes .

These same people never want to be called out for their actions and expect people to kiss their bums :bored: . While they report anyone who makes videos disagreeing with them.

[Marsh.]

2S you're missing the point , there's already a huge problem on YT of big channels getting salty because their ego's get bruised . Apparently any criticism is "bullying" & "hate" according to them :crazy: .

So they go after smaller YT channels and get them striked , like I said a system in place to protect gets abused by idiots like that who can't take any honest critique or jokes .

These same people never want to be called out for their actions and expect people to kiss their bums :bored: . While they report anyone who makes videos disagreeing with them.

Anyone with any kind of common sense knows the difference between critique and hate.

Getting personal and insulting is not critique.

[GoldHeart]

Anyone with any kind of common sense knows the difference between critique and hate.

Getting personal and insulting is not critique.

But not everyone has common sense, and they enjoy abusing their power just because someone disagrees or calls them out .

[Twosugars]

GH, what Marsh said.

[Twosugars]

But not everyone has common sense, and they enjoy abusing their power just because someone disagrees or calls them out .

The abuse can be on both sides. That's why you need rules to create order and enforce them impartially.

[Marsh.]

But not everyone has common sense, and they enjoy abusing their power just because someone disagrees or calls them out .

But, again, they won't be listened to by the people with common sense.

[thesheriff443]

People kill themselves without their names or faces ever being being in a news paper

People kill themselves without ever being bullied or trolled and in fact they where extremely popular.

News papers online trolling, bullying is not good but it is not the main reason behind someone killing themselves.

There have been many people and celebrity’s who have faced negative press for years but they have not killed themselves.

You will never stop someone who truly wants to kill them selves, if the internet ended tomorrow and not another word was printed in a paper people would still be killing themselves.

[Zizu]

People kill themselves without their names or faces ever being being in a news paper

People kill themselves without ever being bullied or trolled and in fact they where extremely popular.

News papers online trolling, bullying is not good but it is not the main reason behind someone killing themselves.

There have been many people and celebrity’s who have faced negative press for years but they have not killed themselves.

You will never stop someone who truly wants to kill them selves, if the internet ended tomorrow and not another word was printed in a paper people would still be killing themselves.



Thought provoking stuff ..


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[Marsh.]

People kill themselves without their names or faces ever being being in a news paper

People kill themselves without ever being bullied or trolled and in fact they where extremely popular.

News papers online trolling, bullying is not good but it is not the main reason behind someone killing themselves.

There have been many people and celebrity’s who have faced negative press for years but they have not killed themselves.

You will never stop someone who truly wants to kill them selves, if the internet ended tomorrow and not another word was printed in a paper people would still be killing themselves.

Not everyone kills themselves for the same reason.

Wow, nobody knew that.

Different things affect different people... erm... differently.

Oh well done sheriff. :clap1:

[Denver]

The cps dropped charges against Nicky Butt but still went after Flack now if someone doesnt see whats wrong there

[bots]

Being passive aggressive and demeaning to others can be just as damaging, but I don't see anyone trying to outlaw that :idc:

[Ammi]

...Kirstie Allsopp has joined the voices against news media/social media...it’s becoming like a #metoo movement....

[Ammi]

...something interesting that she said was...a show’s popularity is not just about how many watch it...but how talked about online it is on social media etc...(...and I guess, forums like this...)...(..although she didn’t actually mention TiBB...)...

[thesheriff443]

Not everyone kills themselves for the same reason.

Wow, nobody knew that.

Different things affect different people... erm... differently.

Oh well done sheriff. :clap1:

Sarcastic replies add nothing to the thread.

[thesheriff443]

...Kirstie Allsopp has joined the voices against news media/social media...it’s becoming like a #metoo movement....

Me too movement, in which the man accused of it, settled all the cases out of court.

[Marsh.]

Sarcastic replies add nothing to the thread.

Take your own advice.

[Marsh.]

Sarcasm is needed when the argument that nothing needs to change is backed up with "Well not everyone takes it the wrong way" (ie. Not everyone has mental health problems).

Just no.

[Marsh.]

Me too movement, in which the man accused of it, settled all the cases out of court.

He's not settled all of them at all.

[Ammi]

...this has made me think about the recent ‘coming out of Philip Schofield’ and (some..) media and social media...how quickly it appeared to go from his sexuality to something entirely different...didn’t a few media print the speculation, which was essentially just gossip...once something is in black and white and printed, it takes on a whole new life and the truth becomes irrelevant, sadly...

[GoldHeart]

But, again, they won't be listened to by the people with common sense.

Well YT is a mess when it comes to what's fair & what isn't, they never get it right.

[Ammi]

...the comparison to the #metoo movement...was just really how many celebrities atm are saying...’#metoo’ with personal news media/social media experiences...it wasn’t meant in any literal way...

[thesheriff443]

Sarcasm is needed when the argument that nothing needs to change is backed up with "Well not everyone takes it the wrong way" (ie. Not everyone has mental health problems).

Just no.

It’s just you baiting as usual.

If you think Caroline’s death will change anything in the media you are totally wrong after Diana was chased to her grave.

Too many people on here blaming the media when it’s people with mental health problems killing themselves not because of a news paper headline.

[Marsh.]

It’s just you baiting as usual.

If you think Caroline’s death will change anything in the media you are totally wrong after Diana was chased to her grave.

Too many people on here blaming the media when it’s people with mental health problems killing themselves not because of a news paper headline.

Yes external influences have zero effect on mental health. Such as bullying and harrassment. But it's baiting to say so.

Good one Sheriff.

I also never said anything will change, in fact I said the opposite.

[Marsh.]

...this has made me think about the recent ‘coming out of Philip Schofield’ and (some..) media and social media...how quickly it appeared to go from his sexuality to something entirely different...didn’t a few media print the speculation, which was essentially just gossip...once something is in black and white and printed, it takes on a whole new life and the truth becomes irrelevant, sadly...

Exactly. It's like Cliff Richard, mud sticks. Once it's out there it's tarnished them for the rest of their lives.

[GoldHeart]

Exactly. It's like Cliff Richard, mud sticks. Once it's out there it's tarnished them for the rest of their lives.

Cliff Richard still got hate online even when he was cleared , the stupid "no smoke without fire" thing gets thrown around. Bet even if he died , people would still be calling him a child abuser same with MJ . it's disgusting how accusations get thrown around.

[Livia]

There needs to be a few prosecutions of people spreading the kind of hate online that wrecks people's lives; blackening someone's name when all they have is more Internet swill to back themselves up. The Internet is such a wonderful tool, sadly it has also given a voice to the stupidest.

[Josy]

I never followed Caroline Flack, never watched any shows she was on, never followed her on any of the social media platforms etc so didnt have any true feeling for her but of course I am sorry that she felt she couldn't carry on in life, no one should ever be made to feel that way.

So now here comes the part of my opinion that I'll no doubt get hate for but meh :shrug:

I'm fed up seeing/reading/hearing peoples opinion about a girl that they quite honestly knew nothing about personally, they didn't support her in her real life and they have no understanding whatsoever about what mental health issues she faced or whether she did have any so just stop using a tragedy for social media content, as a means to target people you define as a troll, petitions and so on...

The kindness stuff waving the internet is getting too much, yes it's always good to be kind but to someone suffering bad mental health issues that have got to the point of them contemplating suicide, kindness more than likely wont make one bit of difference, nothing will.

On Sunday night a fireman took his own life whilst at work, his colleague's found him, he was a true hero. Where is his public sympathy? His R.I.P messages?

A simple bit of respect both for Caroline and her family due to the fact that a girl has ended her life is all that's needed but as usual people are taking it too far because all most care about is social platform attention, likes and interaction.

[Ammi]

...you’re not getting hate, Josy...(...I made a thread about the fireman btw...:sad:..)...but her suicide has sparked a wider debate about news media and social media...which is something that’s always ongoing, that debate... ring a fan of reality tv in general, it’s quite easy to understand the toxicity of it all...and yeah, the potential damage...it’s not the only factor of course, but a layer of Potential damage ...

[Beso]

Well said Josy. .that brought a tear to my eye

[Josy]

...you’re not getting hate, Josy...(...I made a thread about the fireman btw...:sad:..)...but her suicide has sparked a wider debate about news media and social media...which is something that’s always ongoing, that debate... ring a fan of reality tv in general, it’s quite easy to understand the toxicity of it all...and yeah, the potential damage...it’s not the only factor of course, but a layer of Potential damage ...This reminded of something else I was thinking about..

I do agree the media needs to be regulated in some way, I have first hand experience of the vultures they can be, however I'm sure Caroline's family have stated they hold the cps responsible for her death, not the media, social networks etc.

[Ammi]

This reminded of something else I was thinking about..

I do agree the media needs to be regulated in some way, I have first hand experience of the vultures they can be, however I'm sure Caroline's family have stated they hold the cps responsible for her death, not the media, social networks etc.

....:hug:...so sorry about your own experiences, I know of similar things also...I guess with ‘celebrity’ though, it’s more relentless because of the interest in celebrity...I know there are other factors, and specifically with Caroline Flack....a whole chain of events that became overwhelming for her...I guess there are some toxic/unnecessary bits though that are worth the talking point ...and even campaigning for change...?...the CPS’ decision to prosecute was obviously not an unnecessary part...that was a direct cause and effect...but how the media and social media act and react, isn’t really that same thing....

[Ammi]

...what else it reminded me of actually, Josy...?...was Roxanne Pallett...it’s a less direct comparison in some ways...but the obvious fragility of her mental state and the ‘hate’ directed at her from so many news media/social media sources, could have been a different outcome also...

[Josy]

...what else it reminded me of actually, Josy...?...was Roxanne Pallett...it’s a less direct comparison in some ways...but the obvious fragility of her mental state and the ‘hate’ directed at her from so many news media/social media sources, could have been a different outcome also...Yes that's true.

It definitely is something worth debating and pushing for change is always a good thing, that's not what I was getting at in my post.

[bots]

social media etc is just another manifestation of mob mentality. We cannot change the fundamental characteristics of what we are ... animals ... no matter how much we would like to dress it up. That is the simple truth

[Ammi]

Yes that's true.

It definitely is something worth debating and pushing for change is always a good thing, that's not what I was getting at in my post.

...just going back for a moment to the firefighter who took his own life at his fire station..(..Andrew Moore...)...when I made the thread, I thought how sad it was and how suicide was such a talking point atm because of Caroline And obviously for someone to take their lives at their work place as well, a place we associate with life saving and life preserving..?...but obviously his hasn’t gained the attention in the same way because the irony of it all is the unfortunate timing and all focus on Caroline’s story...it made me think about the ‘value of lives’...do some have less value than others, of course not...not to family and loved ones...but to the media, yes most definitely I would say...

[Livia]

social media etc is just another manifestation of mob mentality. We cannot change the fundamental characteristics of what we are ... animals ... no matter how much we would like to dress it up. That is the simple truth

Wouldn't it be satisfying though, to send the very stupid, the very racist, the very homophobic, back to Speaker's Corner if they want a say?

[Josy]

...just going back for a moment to the firefighter who took his own life at his fire station..(..Andrew Moore...)...when I made the thread, I thought how sad it was and how suicide was such a talking point atm because of Caroline And obviously for someone to take their lives at their work place as well, a place we associate with life saving and life preserving..?...but obviously his hasn’t gained the attention in the same way because the irony of it all is the unfortunate timing and all focus on Caroline’s story...it made me think about the ‘value of lives’...do some have less value than others, of course not...not to family and loved ones...but to the media, yes most definitely I would say...Ah I was thinking along the same lines, I actually made a thread about it there

[Ammi]

Ah I was thinking along the same lines, I actually made a thread about it there

...yeah I just saw it after I made the post.../...great minds, eh...

[Twosugars]

There needs to be a few prosecutions of people spreading the kind of hate online that wrecks people's lives; blackening someone's name when all they have is more Internet swill to back themselves up. The Internet is such a wonderful tool, sadly it has also given a voice to the stupidest.

Agree.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, my take is more on the slanderous nature of the actual publications and the harassment people get from paps/reporters more than the "be kinder" thing directed at general social media. It's just social media has become an echo chamber for those tabloid stories.

So people can be kinder in their comments/approach to discussions but they're still helping to circulate the gossip/fake news still originating with the papers. And that' what needs changing imo. Change that and there will be significantly less baseless gossip for social media to pick over in regards to fragile people in the public eye.

[Marsh.]

I don't think a "where's his thread" in regards to the fireman is fair though. Caroline was a celebrity, so of course that will generate more discussion, especially since the circumstances leading to her death have played out in the public eye, unlike another member of the public nobody knows/has heard of.

[Ammi]

I don't think a "where's his thread" in regards to the fireman is fair though. Caroline was a celebrity, so of course that will generate more discussion, especially since the circumstances leading to her death have played out in the public eye, unlike another member of the public nobody knows/has heard of.

...I think that’s really fair comment, Marsh...but I think his story would have had a bit more interest...(...someone who saves lives, taking their life in their work place is quite an unusually sad story..)...had it not have been the irony of the timing, with Caroline’s story being so much the focus...

[Marsh.]

...I think that’s really fair comment, Marsh...but I think his story would have had a bit more interest...(...someone who saves lives, taking their life in their work place is quite an unusually sad story..)...had it not have been the irony of the timing, with Caroline’s story being so much the focus...

Oh definitely, I just mean in terms of generating online discussion, one life and death that played out in the public eye with people knowing a lot about her versus an unknown member of the public whose life we knew nothing of.

[Ammi]

Oh definitely, I just mean in terms of generating online discussion, one life and death that played out in the public eye with people knowing a lot about her versus an unknown member of the public whose life we knew nothing of.

...considering she’s not a celebrity that everyone’s aware of, it’s amazing the impact that her suicide has had on so many people in terms of them talking about it and discussions...I think because it’s generally raised some public a awareness things as well, especially with mental health issues...which is a huge positive...

[Alf]

Any news on the funeral yet?

[Ammi]

...I don’t think the inquest is over yet, is it...

[Marsh.]

...considering she’s not a celebrity that everyone’s aware of, it’s amazing the impact that her suicide has had on so many people in terms of them talking about it and discussions...I think because it’s generally raised some public a awareness things as well, especially with mental health issues...which is a huge positive...

Yeah I think suicide hits home for a lot of people.

[Tom4784]

I hate the whole attitude that Caroline's suicide somehow diminishes the firefighter's. It's just gross and both are tragedies and it's only natural that people will be more invested in this story because people will feel like they know Caroline better through her work. She would have been a regular fixture in some people's homes for the past few years.

The focus on her death doesn't diminish the firefighters and it's gross that it's being made out to be some kind of competition especially when people are just using these tragedies for clout on social media.

[Alf]

Yeah I think suicide hits home for a lot of people.It's the most painful, shocking thing I've ever experienced.

I never understood what a broken heart meant, until I went through that experience. You physically feel like you lost a part of yourself.

[Josy]

I hate the whole attitude that Caroline's suicide somehow diminishes the firefighter's. It's just gross and both are tragedies and it's only natural that people will be more invested in this story because people will feel like they know Caroline better through her work. She would have been a regular fixture in some people's homes for the past few years.



The focus on her death doesn't diminish the firefighters and it's gross that it's being made out to be some kind of competition especially when people are just using these tragedies for clout on social media.

If this is referring to my post then you're completely wrong, it's not being made into any competition not from me personally, the point is that any suicide is an awful tragedy, not just when its someone famous.

Yes caroline will have been a fixture in some homes over the years but the thing is, they still dont know her, regardless of how often she was on thier tv that's a persona, not the real person, the only people that truly knew her where her friends and family, its gross for people that never knew her to act like they did not to mention disrespectful to her family and friends, who are the people that are really hurting here

[Marsh.]

If this is referring to my post then you're completely wrong, it's not being made into any competition not from me personally, the point is that any suicide is an awful tragedy, not just when its someone famous.

Yes caroline will have been a fixture in some homes over the years but the thing is, they still dont know her, regardless of how often she was on thier tv that's a persona, not the real person, the only people that truly knew her where her friends and family.

Yeah but when it comes to discussing the suicide of a TV personality vs a member of the public, they are more familiar with the former to generate the discussion.

But I do agree concerning the stuff where they go overboard as though they were personal friends of her.

[arista]

Any news on the funeral yet?


Is it scatter on Sea ?

[Marsh.]

It's the most painful, shocking thing I've ever experienced.

I never understood what a broken heart meant, until I went through that experience. You physically feel like you lost a part of yourself.

:( :love:

[Tom4784]

If this is referring to my post then you're completely wrong, it's not being made into any competition not from me personally, the point is that any suicide is an awful tragedy, not just when its someone famous.

Yes caroline will have been a fixture in some homes over the years but the thing is, they still dont know her, regardless of how often she was on thier tv that's a persona, not the real person, the only people that truly knew her where her friends and family, its gross for people that never knew her to act like they did not to mention disrespectful to her family and friends, who are the people that are really hurting here

I would have quoted your post if I was referring to it.

It's an attitude I've seen all over Social Media, people hoping they can farm likes and shares by diminishing one tragedy in favour of another. Hell, I've ever seen a trend that I'm reluctant to bash but it's still gross of people who have suffered suicides in their families or friend circles to use them to make a post go viral by begging for shares. It's just.... Ugh.

The point is that people would still be more aware of Caroline because of her work. People will empathise with the firefighter but there will always be more grief for a celebrity because people will believe they know them to an extent through their work. It's just how it is.

[Zizu]

Is it scatter on Sea ?



Why would it be ?


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[arista]

Why would it be ?


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ideal for her

[Zizu]

ideal for her



I literally have no idea where you’re going with this ..


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[Marsh.]

ideal for her

How so?

[arista]

How so?


Ashes in the Sea.
Nice for her

[jet]

I never followed Caroline Flack, never watched any shows she was on, never followed her on any of the social media platforms etc so didnt have any true feeling for her but of course I am sorry that she felt she couldn't carry on in life, no one should ever be made to feel that way.

So now here comes the part of my opinion that I'll no doubt get hate for but meh :shrug:

I'm fed up seeing/reading/hearing peoples opinion about a girl that they quite honestly knew nothing about personally, they didn't support her in her real life and they have no understanding whatsoever about what mental health issues she faced or whether she did have any so just stop using a tragedy for social media content, as a means to target people you define as a troll, petitions and so on...

The kindness stuff waving the internet is getting too much, yes it's always good to be kind but to someone suffering bad mental health issues that have got to the point of them contemplating suicide, kindness more than likely wont make one bit of difference, nothing will.

On Sunday night a fireman took his own life whilst at work, his colleague's found him, he was a true hero. Where is his public sympathy? His R.I.P messages?

A simple bit of respect both for Caroline and her family due to the fact that a girl has ended her life is all that's needed but as usual people are taking it too far because all most care about is social platform attention, likes and interaction.

VG post. Thank goodness I have never personally used twitter, instagram etc and never will as I think you can get hooked all too easily.

[arista]

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[Jessica.]

Poor Colleen

[arista]

Poor Colleen


No
Old Colleen

[Zizu]

Poor Colleen



Hardly surprising.. she’s a ghastly person.


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[Alf]

Poor ColleenI bet she can't even get a pipe cleaner up there now.

[Mystic Mock]

****ting hell with Danny Cipriani, this does go to show that Caroline wasn't an all out bad person like The Sun and The Daily Star had portrayed her as before she died.

And no I didn't know her personally, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that people aren't cartoonishly evil.

And hopefully Danny Cipriani doesn't ever succeed in trying to commit suicide, as the last thing this world needs is more tragedy.

And RIP to the Fireman, Josy.:)

[LukeB]

her funeral takes place today </3

[Tony Montana]

:sad:

[Braden]

RIP :(

[Cal.]

Rest in peace Caroline x

[Jay28jay2]

Just been thinking about this and it still doesn't feel real when you really think about it, so sad :(

[arista]

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[arista]

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[UserSince2005]

my heart will forever ache for our darling caroline

[Crimson Dynamo]

The mother blaming be anyone but her daughter...

[Marsh.]

Well, pointing out the circus that was made around her isn't blaming anyone for her crime. Her crime didn't warrant the media circus.

[Denver]

The mother blaming be anyone but her daughter...

The media lied about what happened though by claiming it was her bf blood everywhere while dna proved it was hers and so on

[Livia]

Another "death by media". Shameful.

[Dogeatdog]

Seeing her pictures on the front pages this morning kinda brought it all back as to how sad I felt when I first heard she had died :sad:.

[UserSince2005]

she was the diana of our times, hounded by the press, to her death. shame on them.

[bots]

the press didn't force her to clobber her boyfriend with a lamp

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Caroline Flack feature on the front page
of the Daily Mirror.
A police watchdog has urged the Met to investigate
why police contested initial advice from
the Crown Prosecution Service
not to charge Flack as her mother
vows to continue her quest for truth]



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[Mystic Mock]

I still see this as a really tragic situation that unfolded.

We as a society will never learn though, our Media only gets away with doing things like this because there are quite a few people out there that love to ruin people.

[UserSince2005]

We need to bring back the death penalty to punish the people who did this to Caroline!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I still see this as a really tragic situation that unfolded.

We as a society will never learn though, our Media only gets away with doing things like this because there are quite a few people out there that love to ruin people.

the "Media" get away with what?

[bots]

The truth is she was unstable and she clocked her boyfriend with a lamp on the head

[arista]

The truth is she was unstable and she clocked her boyfriend with a lamp on the head


Yes
events leading, to her tragic death.

[arista]

Police now saying they want to charge her.

Crazy

She is dead.

Ref: ITV1HDnews

[arista]

Posting this image again
from Feb 2020.
At the start of Covid-19, this sadly was.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Waste of police time

[arista]

Waste of police time

Yes they appear to want to make
the original charge go down in history?

[smudgie]

The truth is she was unstable and she clocked her boyfriend with a lamp on the head

Aye, she literally lamped him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

For some reason, the people who put flags on their X profiles and are very hateful to pioneers like JK Rowling seem to have adopted her as a saint?

[Mystic Mock]

the "Media" get away with what?

Hounding people, and a lot of society join in on it too.

It happened to a contestant during Season 19 of American Idol named Caleb Kennedy, where he got removed from the Show because the Media and the public encouraged his removal due to a photo that got leaked, it was when he was 12 years old, he sat next to a friend who dressed up in a KKK costume.

And basically Caleb (like Caroline) have bad endings due to public witch hunts (if you read up what's happened to Caleb, you'd see what I mean) and he seemed like a perfectly normal guy before the witch hunt ruined his life.

And it's not just Caroline and Caleb, the world in general nowadays loves to treat everything like it's a Reality TV Show, looking for the next person to hate on, and it's all out of pretend righteous behaviour.

**** the consequences of what these witch hunts actually cause not just for the individual being targeted, but also society as a whole is the attitude that a lot of people seem to have, it's why our societies have become so ****ed up.

[Mystic Mock]

For some reason, the people who put flags on their X profiles and are very hateful to pioneers like JK Rowling seem to have adopted her as a saint?

I don't hate JK Rowling, but I also have sympathy for what happened to Caroline.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't hate JK Rowling, but I also have sympathy for what happened to Caroline.

that she tried to kill her boyfriend as he slept??

f sake Mock what are you on about??

[Beso]

The boyfriend was probably abusive. The relationship therefore was probably toxic. A bit like depp and his mrs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The boyfriend was probably abusive. The relationship therefore was probably toxic. A bit like depp and his mrs.

or probably not

[Mystic Mock]

that she tried to kill her boyfriend as he slept??

f sake Mock what are you on about??

She had mental health problems.

She wasn't maliciously trying to harm anyone in a more normal state of mind.

Caroline needed to be supported by people, not hounded out of her career, and the Media and some of the public bringing cancel culture into the situation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She had mental health problems.

She wasn't maliciously trying to harm anyone in a more normal state of mind.

Caroline needed to be supported by people, not hounded out of her career, and the Media and some of the public bringing cancel culture into the situation.

:facepalm:

[Mystic Mock]

:facepalm:

You think that people with Mental Health issues should be treated the same as deliberately malicious individuals?

[Crimson Dynamo]

You think that people with Mental Health issues should be treated the same as deliberately malicious individuals?

what do you mean by mental health issues?

its not a get out of jail card because you happen to be a bit upset

[Mystic Mock]

what do you mean by mental health issues?

its not a get out of jail card because you happen to be a bit upset

Caroline was clearly more than "a bit upset" just look at the end outcome.

[arista]

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[UserSince2005]

I thought she had died again

[Crimson Dynamo]

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:facepalm: