George Floyd killed by the police

[Marsh.]

Yeah it's really surprising she didn't take this picture herself:conf:

:facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

They do not care
it's all about attacking the Police in Whitehall


Not on BBC news

Only on SkyNewsHD Live
and LBC Live

diabolical hoodlums

[The Slim Reaper]

the best science we have at the moment is that the virus is particularly passed on by obvs coughing but also by shouting and singing.

every illegal protestor would need to have an effective mask. they dont, they will be shouting

they are idiots of the highest order who dont care about the elderly or vulnerable or the NHS

all they care about is taking pics to VS to their mates on social media

truly chilling

Were you this vocal about the VE day congas, just out of interest?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Were you this vocal about the VE day congas, just out of interest?

No need as people used a rope to keep apart and no one was shouting or singing :clap2:

https://images.lbcnews.co.uk/images/151273?crop=16_9&width=660&relax=1&signature=4EpnNyjBzON4UsqYghyyq6IYQu0=

plus they did not spit venom at innocent police

[Zizu]

Wow scary scenes in London !!


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[Marsh.]

"Used a rope to keep apart"

:laugh2:

[Cherie]

Wow scary scenes in London !!


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Disappointing, but it was only a matter of time before one of these peaceful march's was hijacked

the loose horse didn't help either, the policeman fell off or was pulled off not sure

[user104658]

No need as people used a rope to keep apart and no one was shouting or singing :clap2:



https://images.lbcnews.co.uk/images/151273?crop=16_9&width=660&relax=1&signature=4EpnNyjBzON4UsqYghyyq6IYQu0=



plus they did not spit venom at innocent police

If I saw that happening in my street I'd start my own riot just to make it stop.

Not because of Covid either. Just because they look like insufferable twats. I'd start burning cars.

[Liam-]

Disappointing, but it was only a matter of time before one of these peaceful march's was hijacked

the loose horse didn't help either, the policeman fell off or was pulled off not sure

He fell off the horse and then the horse made a run for it

[Liam-]

The police had to escort a couple of racists away from the protests on different occasions because they were causing trouble

[Oliver_W]

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Disgusting creatures. On D-Day too!

[Crimson Dynamo]

The police had to escort a couple of racists away from the protests on different occasions because they were causing trouble

do you have evidence that they were "racists"?

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Disgusting creatures. On D-Day too!


words fail me

[Crimson Dynamo]

mind you they are all teenagers

[Cherie]

He fell off the horse and then the horse made a run for it

he got too close to a traffic light and got pushed off

[Marsh.]

he got too close to a traffic light and got pushed off

:joker:

[Brother Leon]

Crazy in London
they are All to close
bound to spread Covid-19
when they get home

No Social Distancing

I think they are just following their instinct as some would say.

[Kazanne]

I see they have now started on Churchills memorial just why ? how does that help ? police are now surrounding the monument
https://britannianews.co.uk/2020/06/06/disgusting-churchills-statue-at-westminster-vandalised-on-d-day-by-protesters/

[Oliver_W]

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More repulsiveness. I wonder what these people think they're doing. Riot police should have been on standby right from the off, of course things are gonna kick off.

And then they'll all get back on the busses and trains, sharing their germs, spread it among their families, and then around their McDonalds on Monday...

[Crimson Dynamo]

I see they have now desecrated Churchills memorial just why ? how does that help ? police are now surrounding the monument
https://britannianews.co.uk/2020/06/06/disgusting-churchills-statue-at-westminster-vandalised-on-d-day-by-protesters/

is anyone surprised?

if i were a george floyd relative i would be livid at the way he has been exploited in death by the extreme left

[Kazanne]

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More repulsiveness. I wonder what these people think they're doing. Riot police should have been on standby right from the off, of course things are gonna kick off.

And then they'll all get back on the busses and trains, sharing their germs, spread it among their families, and then around their McDonalds on Monday...

This isn't about George Floyd anymore just another excuse to vandalise and hurt innocent people and animals,cretins

[Kazanne]

is anyone surprised?

if i were a george floyd relative i would be livid at the way he has been exploited in death by the extreme left

Its not about George Floyd anymore LT.

[Marsh.]

This isn't about George Floyd anymore just another excuse to vandalise and hurt innocent people and animals,cretins

Its not about George Floyd anymore LT.

Says who? The white lady not involved in any of it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its not about George Floyd anymore LT.

yes kaz its not, its about feeling important and selfish pride


awful

[Marsh.]

Yeah, god forbid those non-white people feel important.

Can't get above their station. :facepalm:

[Liam-]

Just because a small minority are arseholes, doesn’t mean that all protesters are involved or a part of it, people are very quick to defend cops from a blanket statement, but are very happy to tarnish an entire civil rights movement

[Tom4784]

It's only a few bad apples in the police force doing this but screw BLM if a few bad apples start looting!

You can't make it up.

[Oliver_W]

Just because a small minority are arseholes, doesn’t mean that all protesters are involved or a part of it, people are very quick to defend cops from a blanket statement, but are very happy to tarnish an entire civil rights movement

It's only a few bad apples in the police force doing this but screw BLM if a few bad apples start looting!

You can't make it up.

Who said anything about the "civil rights movement", the rioters are obviously a separate thing :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

its far from civil rights to say that is an insult to those who came before

[Liam-]

Who said anything about the "civil rights movement", the rioters are obviously a separate thing :shrug:

Kaz and LT both said none of this isn’t about BLM or George anymore

[Oliver_W]

Kaz and LT both said none of this isn’t about BLM or George anymore

There y'are then, no reason to mention BLM or "civil rights movements" because none of it is about them.

[Liam-]

I hope the innocent protester that was trampled by that negligent cops horse is okay :(

[Marsh.]

There y'are then, no reason to mention BLM or "civil rights movements" because none of it is about them.

Are you this way on purpose?

[user104658]

I mean, to be frr, Churchill was a documented and demonstrable white supremacist... sooo...
words fail meLook at you pretending to care if someone takes a piss on a statue :joker:. Yummy outrage sandwich nom nom tasty treat.

[user104658]

Are you this way on purpose?Eclvidence suggests yes.

[Liam-]

Piss and graffiti can be cleaned tomorrow, you can’t clean a history full of racial injustices

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Yummy outrage sandwich nom nom tasty treat.

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Piss and graffiti can be cleaned tomorrow, you can’t clean a history full of racial injustices

its not a competition

:facepalm:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Imagine caring more about a lump of rock than actual human lives that’s so sad

Couldn’t be me

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean, to be frr, Churchill was a documented and demonstrable white supremacist... sooo...
Look at you pretending to care if someone takes a piss on a statue :joker:. Yummy outrage sandwich nom nom tasty treat.

dont pretend to know why things are posted

its a rule break

(it would seem)

[Kazanne]

Imagine caring more about a lump of rock than actual human lives that’s so sad

Couldn’t be me

You dont get it at all do you ,its really not about a lump of rock , its d day today does that mean anything to you ?

[Liam-]

You dont get it at all do you ,its really not about a lump of rock , its d day today does that mean anything to you ?

And the tone deaf award goes to

[Oliver_W]

Imagine caring more about a lump of rock than actual human lives that’s so sad

Couldn’t be me

It's possible to think that the police shouldn't be murdering citizens, while also thinking that people shouldn't be desecrating a war memorial on D Day.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

You dont get it at all do you ,its really not about a lump of rock , its d day today does that mean anything to you ?

No?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

It literally is a lump of rock how is that debatable

[Kazanne]

And the tone deaf award goes to

Oh hello again,fancy meeting you here:laugh:

[Kazanne]

No?

No point in saying anymore to you then.

[Marsh.]

You dont get it at all do you

No, you don't. At. All.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

And if the guy the lump of rock is honouring was a white supremacist like people have said then i’d actually encourage people to piss on it :spin:

[Zizu]

Disappointing, but it was only a matter of time before one of these peaceful march's was hijacked



the loose horse didn't help either, the policeman fell off or was pulled off not sure



He was apparently dragged off but shielded by his colleagues thankfully

I’ve no idea what kind of person thinks it’s ok to throw glass bottles into crowds .

They were thrown at mounted police who were talking to peaceful protesters so the bottles were hitting the police, their horses and innocent protesters.

Gawd knows how the horses are gonna be after hours of trampling around on broken glass


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[SherzyK]

And if the guy the lump of rock is honouring was a white supremacist like people have said then i’d actually encourage people to piss on it :spin:

x2

[Kazanne]

And if the guy the lump of rock is honouring was a white supremacist like people have said then i’d actually encourage people to piss on it :spin:

The key word there is IF

[Liam-]

The key word there is IF

There’s no if, it’s very well documented that he was an out and proud racist

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

The key word there is IF

There’s no if, it’s very well documented that he was an out and proud racist

the guy the lump of rock is honouring was a white supremacist so i’d actually encourage people to piss on it :spin:

Fixed :spin:

[Kazanne]

There’s no if, it’s very well documented that he was an out and proud racist

So if you say its just a piece of rock,what is the point in peeing on it,it has no response !! so peeing on it serves no purpose , it will probably just upset many veterans who fought for us,is that what you want ?

[Marsh.]

The key word there is IF

:joker: It's basic history.

[The Slim Reaper]

I've waited 7 years to see Scott join S&D.

https://media.giphy.com/media/cRMH2xUemvY0rlhcrG/giphy.gif

[Marsh.]

:joker:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Noah fence but like i said earlier if they’re gonna get upset over a statue then veterans need to get their priorities sorted

It being defaced is symbolic - it’s a big middle finger to white supremacy and if people who fought in the war have a problem with that happening then **** them too

[Liam-]

So if you say its just a piece of rock,what is the point in peeing on it,it has no response !! so peeing on it serves no purpose , it will probably just upset many veterans who fought for us,is that what you want ?

I mean, I personally don’t see the need to do it, but I’m not gonna lose sleep over a statue commemorating a known racist being graffitied, or pissed on, if that even happened

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I've waited 7 years to see Scott join S&D.

https://media.giphy.com/media/cRMH2xUemvY0rlhcrG/giphy.gif

:devil:

[Kazanne]

I mean, I personally don’t see the need to do it, but I’m not gonna lose sleep over a statue commemorating a known racist being graffitied, or pissed on, if that even happened

Neither am I , I just commented on it, I dont see what they will achieve same as throwing the bike at a horse, the dog treated terribly abused and reportedly hung,, the horse with the broken nose ,what do you think things like that achieve they are turning people against them and taking the protest away from what it was meant to do.

[arista]

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[Kazanne]

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Its just all so horrible and getting out of hand now.

[Liam-]

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Self loathing twink once again doesn’t comprehend reality

[Oliver_W]

Noah fence but like i said earlier if they’re gonna get upset over a statue then veterans need to get their priorities sorted

It being defaced is symbolic - it’s a big middle finger to white supremacy and if people who fought in the war have a problem with that happening then **** them too

Oh yeah, screw them people who fought against actual fascism, how dare they not want their symbols graffitied.

[Marsh.]

Neither am I , I just commented on it, I dont see what they will achieve same as throwing the bike at a horse, the dog treated terribly abused and reportedly hung,, the horse with the broken nose ,what do you think things like that achieve they are turning people against them and taking the protest away from what it was meant to do.

And what about the people being murdered?

It's all well and good bringing up animal cruelty, which is valid, but it comes across hollow and insincere when it's not really widespread and you ignore the actual murder and corruption within the police force, using isolated incidents to "whataboutery" the Black Lives Matter cause.

[The Slim Reaper]

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@pritipatel

Snitches get radical left Antifa stitches :smug:

[Marsh.]

Oh yeah, screw them people who fought against actual fascism

:facepalm:

[Liam-]

Its just all so horrible and getting out of hand now.

You do realise he wasn’t pull of his horse right?

[Liam-]

The traffic light was probably a Corbyn supporter

[Ramsay]

You do realise he wasn’t pull of his horse right?

Do you really think she did anything more than just read the title and jump to conclusions? :laugh:

[Smithy]

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Its just all so horrible and getting out of hand now.

The horse runs into the traffic light, nobody knocks him off :conf2:

[Kazanne]

And what about the people being murdered?

It's all well and good bringing up animal cruelty, which is valid, but it comes across hollow and insincere when it's not really widespread and you ignore the actual murder and corruption within the police force, using isolated incidents to "whataboutery" the Black Lives Matter cause.

Ive ignored nothing I just havent been hysterical about it ,I have never said I didnt care about George Floyds murder or have i ever said none of the police are corrupt,of course there are some but they are not ALL that way,these protesters are just picking on anyone and anything, stop twisting things,i have already said what happened was disgusting, the men in question have been arrested so why the need to make others suffer for something they had no hand in.

[SherzyK]

The horse runs into the traffic light, nobody knocks him off :conf2:

Once again Kazanne making up stories to fit her agenda. What else is new?

[Kazanne]

The horse runs into the traffic light, nobody knocks him off :conf2:

I never said they did :shrug:

[Liam-]

Clearer footage of the horrible protesters forcing this cop to gallop face first into the left thug traffic lights

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[Smithy]

Ive ignored nothing I just havent been hysterical about it ,I have never said I didnt care about George Floyds murder or have i ever said none of the police are corrupt,of course there are some but they are not ALL that way,these protesters are just picking on anyone and anything, stop twisting things,i have already said what happened was disgusting, the men in question have been arrested so why the need to make others suffer for something they had no hand in.

No not ALL police officers are like this but it’s exactly the same as saying NOT ALL MEN are racists, no they’re not but ALL women have had a moment in their life when they haven’t felt safe around a man and I imagine it’s exactly the same for black people around the police

[Liam-]

Not all cops are bad, but you’re happy to say the protesters are attacking anything and anybody, it’s not the protesters doing that

[Marsh.]

Ive ignored nothing I just havent been hysterical about it ,I have never said I didnt care about George Floyds murder or have i ever said none of the police are corrupt,of course there are some but they are not ALL that way,these protesters are just picking on anyone and anything, stop twisting things,i have already said what happened was disgusting, the men in question have been arrested so why the need to make others suffer for something they had no hand in.

You are ignoring. Your use of the phrase "they are not ALL that way" shows that you're still not getting it. Not even a little bit. Educate yourself.

Also, the fact you're isolating the entire movement to being PURELY about George Floyd and one incident speaks volumes. You have no idea.

[Kazanne]

Once again Kazanne making up stories to fit her agenda. What else is new?

What stories have I 'made up'

[Kazanne]

Not all cops are bad, but you’re happy to say the protesters are attacking anything and anybody, it’s not the protesters doing that

This is a quote from your post where you contradict that above

"Clearer footage of the horrible protesters forcing this cop to gallop face first into the left thug traffic lights"

[Marsh.]

This is a quote from your post where you contradict that above

*"Clearer footage of the horrible protesters forcing this cop to gallop face first into the left thug traffic lights"

*sarcasm

[rusticgal]

A violent demonstration will achieve nothing.

[DouglasS]

What stories have I 'made up'

You haven’t made anything up at all, everything you have said makes perfect sense. It’s just falling on deaf ears.

So disrespectful to tarnish that statue on D-Day, and it’s very ignorant to our armed forces say D-Day means nothing to You and you don’t care

What happened to George is terrible and what is happening to other black people is awful, but two wrongs will never make a right

[Liam-]

This is a quote from your post where you contradict that above

"Clearer footage of the horrible protesters forcing this cop to gallop face first into the left thug traffic lights"

I was mocking the guy who tweeted the footage for his complete lack of understanding of reality

[Smithy]

A violent demonstration will achieve nothing.

Good job this wasn’t a violent demonstration then!

[Liam-]

Manchester’s protests didn’t descend into chaos, neither did the Cardiff one and neither of them had a harsh and volatile police presence ready to kick up a fuss

[Oliver_W]

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Practising for when they catch Covid?

[Kazanne]

You haven’t made anything up at all, everything you have said makes perfect sense. It’s just falling on deaf ears.

So disrespectful to tarnish that statue on D-Day, and it’s very ignorant to our armed forces say D-Day means nothing to You and you don’t care

What happened to George is terrible and what is happening to other black people is awful, but two wrongs will never make a right

Exactly not sure what that person was on about and still waiting for an answer ,whats new :laugh::laugh::wavey:

[The Slim Reaper]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ0SFejWsAE9Z8y?format=jpg&name=small

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

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Burn them

[Liam-]

Using a murdered little girl to push their racist agenda, despicable

[Smithy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ0SFejWsAE9Z8y?format=jpg&name=small

Embarrassing

[Ramsay]

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Absolute cringe

[Kazanne]

Do you really think she did anything more than just read the title and jump to conclusions? :laugh:

If you are refering to me get your facts right I haven't mentioned the horse who ran into a traffic light :shrug:

[Ramsay]

If you are refering to me get your facts right I haven't mentioned the horse who ran into a traffic light :shrug:

Pretty obvious you did just the read the title tho lol own it
How is a cop getting hit by a traffic light getting out of hand

[Kazanne]

Pretty obvious you did just the read the title tho lol own it
How is a cop getting hit by a traffic light getting out of hand

Once again I did NOT mention the horse who ran into a traffic light find me that post ,as for the getting out of hand , I meant collectively ,ALL of it

[Ramsay]

Once again I did NOT mention the horse who ran into a traffic light find me that post ,as for the getting out of hand , I meant collectively ,ALL of it

kk

[Liam-]

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Legend :love:

All the gammon in the comments saying he’s ‘lost a fan’ for protesting against racism :skull:

[Liam-]

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[Tom4784]

That Winston Churchill statue is not a monument to WW2, it's a monument to Winston Churchill. It doesn't honour victims of the war, it doesn't honour D-Day, it honours Winston Churchill and Churchill was a white supremacist.

Honestly, if you're so twisted over a bit of piss on a statue and you are using that to shut down a protest against racial equality then take a good long look at yourself because you're standing on the wrong side of history.

[Liam-]

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Bunkerbitch isn’t having a very good week is he?

[Tom4784]

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Bunkerbitch isn’t having a very good week is he?

We love to see it.

[rusticgal]

Good job this wasn’t a violent demonstration then!


It did get violent...don’t you listen or watch the news.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That Winston Churchill statue is not a monument to WW2, it's a monument to Winston Churchill. It doesn't honour victims of the war, it doesn't honour D-Day, it honours Winston Churchill and Churchill was a white supremacist.

Honestly, if you're so twisted over a bit of piss on a statue and you are using that to shut down a protest against racial equality then take a good long look at yourself because you're standing on the wrong side of history.

No you are not

[Cherie]

Manchester’s protests didn’t descend into chaos, neither did the Cardiff one and neither of them had a harsh and volatile police presence ready to kick up a fuss

so you are saying the Met police incited trouble? even though there was a peaceful protest last weekend, and at Hyde Park mid week?

[Zizu]

Manchester’s protests didn’t descend into chaos, neither did the Cardiff one and neither of them had a harsh and volatile police presence ready to kick up a fuss



The news said everything was calm until the bottles started reigning down on the mounted police ..



Sky News correspondent Mark White was at the scene on Whitehall - near Downing Street and The Cenotaph.

He said the atmosphere had started to shift in the area, where around 400 to 500 people had gathered, and then "just after the thunderstorm... the crowd started throwing bottles and other objects at the police".

Mounted officers charged down the street at around 6pm to push the protesters back.


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[AnnieK]

Its awful that it has turned to violence in a small minority of protesters....but frustration at not being heard will lead people to that.

Think back to LGBT rights....and a little further to women's rights. Were it not for activists we would not be where we are.....back before WW1 women resorted to violent demonstrations for their rights...bombings, vandalism, rioting.....do I condemn them for that? Nope because because they did that, I have the right to vote, the right to not be treated as a second class citizen, the right to be heard. Maybe...one day....black people will be afforded that same right unequivocally

[Ramsay]

Its awful that it has turned to violence in a small minority of protesters....but frustration at not being heard will lead people to that.

Think back to LGBT rights....and a little further to women's rights. Were it not for activists we would not be where we are.....back before WW1 women resorted to violent demonstrations for their rights...bombings, vandalism, rioting.....do I condemn them for that? Nope because because they did that, I have the right to vote, the right to not be treated as a second class citizen, the right to be heard. Maybe...one day....black people will be afforded that same right unequivocally

:clap1:
It needed to happen

[Niamh.]

Its awful that it has turned to violence in a small minority of protesters....but frustration at not being heard will lead people to that.

Think back to LGBT rights....and a little further to women's rights. Were it not for activists we would not be where we are.....back before WW1 women resorted to violent demonstrations for their rights...bombings, vandalism, rioting.....do I condemn them for that? Nope because because they did that, I have the right to vote, the right to not be treated as a second class citizen, the right to be heard. Maybe...one day....black people will be afforded that same right unequivocallyAbsolutely spot on Annie

[James]

Protests rarely change anything to policies in democracies. What does makes a difference is public opinion.

Ultimately it is about votes in elections; even when an election is a long way off, politicians (as much as we don't want to believe it) are conditioned to respond to shifts in public opinion.

For example the pro-EU rallies didn't reverse Brexit because they didn't demonstrate a change in public opinion - it was just the people who supported Remain before and were passionate about it out on the streets.

Violence and destructive protest can have a negative effect and it is usually unjust. You have to say it is often carried out by a minority, say, 10% out of a crowd of thousands.

[thesheriff443]

It’s funny how people are willing to turn a blind eye to vandalism and assaults because they happen while people protesting.
The law has to apply to everyone regardless of how deserving you think the cause is.
It’s the police who keep you safe without them you would be at the mercy of criminals.

They are far from perfect but without them the streets would run red with blood

It’s the police that face violence every day of the week they have wife’s and kids at home who love them.

A black man kills a white man and his defence is white people are racist, do we turn round and say, ok that’s fine your free to go because that’s how lots of people on here have that mentality that a crime is justified because other crimes are happening.

[Marsh.]

I love how the police as a "force" are automatically male too with their "wives and kids at home". The female officers obviously do all the paperwork.

[Brother Leon]

If you are getting fed up of hearing about racism then imagine how fed up you would be experiencing it.

If you are starting to feel uncomfortable with the current conversations and statements being made then that’s because we are talking about YOU and people of your like.

It’s no longer good enough to just pat yourself on the back and say “Oh, but I’m not racist anyway”. If you are not adamantly anti racist and speaking out then you should be ashamed. If you are trying to belittle a movement for equal rights and equality in 20 ****ing 20 because of some violence or looting then shame on you too and I don’t care how upset that may make you feel.

I shed tears at the fact This has been the fight of our Great Ancestors, Our Grandparents, Our Parents... and NOTHING has changed. Well it will not be our Children’s fight.


Black Lives Matter

They Have Always Mattered.

[arista]

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[bots]

it is surely in everyone's individual interests to speak up against injustice, whatever form it takes.

[arista]

These UK Marches
are changing nothing.

All the UK laws
are there.

One thing they will do is spread Covd-19.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

Really strong points from AnnieK and Brother Leon on this.

The anger and even despair of the loss of George's life, as it happened could make even the most calmest of people incensed by it.

Other officers stood there while it happened, none took notice of George saying he couldn't breathe.

The USA still has a long way to go in dealing with its race issues..
Sadly so does the UK.

Then as AnnieK says, these violent acts, (unlawful), where Police use violence to kill an unarmed man should create anger and also be worrying to all.

So protests will be done, as they are internationally after that horrific tragedy of the murder of George.
Because that's what it turned out to be..
He was warning them he was in danger and they all ignored his pleas.

If that happened to one of our family, we'd rightly be furious.

The scenes at the protests in London, which were attended by mainly all peaceful protesters.
While unfortunate, as AnnieK said, this is what happens when things are really bad and need changing.

Myself, I'd question even having mounted police there..
I feel mounted police can be seen as a more intimidating part of proceedings.

The minority who then helped bring about more unsavoury element's to the protest, only bring down the headlines and help fuel the views of those who have no sympathy likely whatsoever with this cause.
Of racism and the death of George.
The protesters are rightly incensed.

Injury and damage are always very sad to see but in the main that is caused by a minority who get the headlines.

A media headline, Churchill's statue vandalised.
Doesn't help.
Just as the crazed individual leading the USA saying shooting starts when looting starts, doesn't help either.

Someone passed water on the statue, I'm sure they aren't the first and won't be the last.
To some it could be disrespect but vandalising.
Not at all.

Also Churchill had himself dubious views on subjects, including race.

So I think one of the strongest things said on here is from Brother Leon.

If fed up hearing about racism, think how more fed up it would be experiencing it.
That's a strong message indeed.
So despite yesterday's minority taking the headlines, I hope the continuing message of race issues in the USA and even here in the UK, following the despicable action of those police in the USA taking George's life, is still made known and acted on.
I support these protests and just hope those in power will listen and actually learn.

Am I confident they will listen and learn.
No, not at all.
More likely not because of their own personal mindset however.

[The Slim Reaper]

Its awful that it has turned to violence in a small minority of protesters....but frustration at not being heard will lead people to that.

Think back to LGBT rights....and a little further to women's rights. Were it not for activists we would not be where we are.....back before WW1 women resorted to violent demonstrations for their rights...bombings, vandalism, rioting.....do I condemn them for that? Nope because because they did that, I have the right to vote, the right to not be treated as a second class citizen, the right to be heard. Maybe...one day....black people will be afforded that same right unequivocally

This is fine an all, but Arista is the true women's suffrage expert on the forum.

[Oliver_W]

Lying domestic abuser Amber Heard decides to wade in :rolleyes:

https://theblast.com/132754/amber-heards-solidarity-shows-her-with-white-police-officer-as-s

[thesheriff443]

This is fine an all, but Arista is the true women's suffrage expert on the forum.

Why don’t you burn your bra in protest.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/06/anti-racism-demos-continue-across-the-netherlands-eindhoven-next-up/


In Utrecht some 3,500 people assembled at the Jaarbeurs square near the main railway station, but officials used social media at around 7pm to urge people to stop coming because the space was too full.

In Nijmegen, demonstrators gathered in the Goffert park, where tape had been stretched out to show people where to stand at the proper distance from each other. Some 750 people had been expected to attend, but police photos put the number at around 1,000.

In Enschede, around 500 people took part in the demonstration on the Van Heekplein – the maximum agreed between organisers and the local authorities.

yes and Eindhoven, Tilburg their anti-racism demonstations had both between 700 and 800 people, and yes no risks with covid-19 of course, most wore face masks


but here a little Update on the ''anti racism demonstrations'' in my country

[user104658]

Lying domestic abuser Amber Heard decides to wade in :rolleyes:

https://theblast.com/132754/amber-heards-solidarity-shows-her-with-white-police-officer-as-s

To be fair to Ms Heard, while the bolded part is undeniably true having heard the audio recordings... let's not go down the incelly route of painting the situation as poor, meek, defenseless Depp being a cowering victim of Amber Heard. If you actually follow that whole thing (without blinkered preconceptions) it becomes quickly obvious that the entire relationship was a dumpster fire, there were substance abuse (at least alcohol) issues all round, and they were abusive and violent to each other from the start.

The only part where Depp comes off better, is that he identified how unhealthy it all was earlier, and basically said "we can't keep doing this... we should probably break up... the violence definitely has to stop" and Heard was like "Nah, don't wanna" ... which is an interesting choice certainly.


Off track I guess - I'm not defending her just pointing out that they were both a disaster. Either way not someone you want representing your cause.

[Kazanne]

Protests rarely change anything to policies in democracies. What does makes a difference is public opinion.

Ultimately it is about votes in elections; even when an election is a long way off, politicians (as much as we don't want to believe it) are conditioned to respond to shifts in public opinion.

For example the pro-EU rallies didn't reverse Brexit because they didn't demonstrate a change in public opinion - it was just the people who supported Remain before and were passionate about it out on the streets.

Violence and destructive protest can have a negative effect and it is usually unjust. You have to say it is often carried out by a minority, say, 10% out of a crowd of thousands.

I totally agree with this and when innocent people and animals are targetted they lose any support I have of them, people were are board but now some are not ,simply because of the violence ,some people are now saying its more to do with Brexit now and the remainers and a kick against the Tories being in power, ,probably not true but its out there and like a lot of untruths will be believed by some,also there is the problem of this virus, they could be killing others who aren't even there, I get people are frustrated and passionate,I just dont think this is the right way to go.Shame the cause is getting lost because of the thugs out there with nothing better to do.

[Zizu]

So if these protests are breaking civil unrest and social distancing regulations and the protests are all arranged for today as well why aren’t they prosecuting all the organisers of the events ?

Surely they’re guilty of inciting or encouraging the behaviour?


Will this carry on every day now or just weekends ?


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[Liam-]

These protests are most definitely not about Brexit

[joeysteele]

These protests are most definitely not about Brexit

Definitely not, I agree.

[Nicky91]

So if these protests are breaking civil unrest and social distancing regulations and the protests are all arranged for today as well why aren’t they prosecuting all the organisers of the events ?

Surely they’re guilty of inciting or encouraging the behaviour?


Will this carry on every day now or just weekends ?


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our PM Rutte would never ban the rights to protest, in a democracy you Always have a right to protest, is his opinion

[Zizu]

our PM Rutte would never ban the rights to protest, in a democracy you Always have a right to protest, is his opinion



There shouldn’t be any protests when we’re in a pandemic situation.

We are thought to be in the second wave in Manchester where the R is now at 1.1 ( possibly as high as 1.3) yet 15,000 people crammed into Manchester City centre yesterday !!


Peaceful protests are fine .. normally.. but the London protest ended up in violent scenes and will probably be the same today , I fear .




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[bots]

in 2 weeks time, when the numbers increase again in hospitals where all the protests were held, the government will blame the people. Yes, it's a valid protest, but a lot of people are being reckless at the same time

[Liam-]

They’ll blame the protests and ignore the street parties and the mass gathering on beaches and the hordes of people in public parks inspired by their own incompetence with Cummings, they’ll very happily blame the people defending black people

[Nicky91]

There shouldn’t be any protests when we’re in a pandemic situation.

We are thought to be in the second wave in Manchester where the R is now at 1.1 ( possibly as high as 1.3) yet 15,000 people crammed into Manchester City centre yesterday !!


Peaceful protests are fine .. normally.. but the London protest ended up in violent scenes and will probably be the same today , I fear .




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just don't make it too crowded, enough distance between each other, and face masks also being a MUST of course

[Amy Jade]

To be fair to Ms Heard, while the bolded part is undeniably true having heard the audio recordings... let's not go down the incelly route of painting the situation as poor, meek, defenseless Depp being a cowering victim of Amber Heard. If you actually follow that whole thing (without blinkered preconceptions) it becomes quickly obvious that the entire relationship was a dumpster fire, there were substance abuse (at least alcohol) issues all round, and they were abusive and violent to each other from the start.

The only part where Depp comes off better, is that he identified how unhealthy it all was earlier, and basically said "we can't keep doing this... we should probably break up... the violence definitely has to stop" and Heard was like "Nah, don't wanna" ... which is an interesting choice certainly.


Off track I guess - I'm not defending her just pointing out that they were both a disaster. Either way not someone you want representing your cause.
Totally agree with this. I think they abused each other basically.

I don't think her comments were racist either. At all.

[Brother Leon]

I totally agree with this and when innocent people and animals are targetted they lose any support I have of them, people were are board but now some are not ,simply because of the violence ,some people are now saying its more to do with Brexit now and the remainers and a kick against the Tories being in power, ,probably not true but its out there and like a lot of untruths will be believed by some,also there is the problem of this virus, they could be killing others who aren't even there, I get people are frustrated and passionate,I just dont think this is the right way to go.Shame the cause is getting lost because of the thugs out there with nothing better to do.

Enough of this line of thinking already.


The cause is not being lost due to some minor Incidents of violence or a couple horses being scared whatsoever. Anyone who even begins to think that never even cared much for it in the first place and is happy enough to keep things as they are.

[Samm]

Horses shouldn’t be used by the police in an environment when things could get hostile anyway. They’re the ones putting them at risk.

[Oliver_W]

They’ll blame the protests and ignore the street parties and the mass gathering on beaches and the hordes of people in public parks inspired by their own incompetence with Cummings, they’ll very happily blame the people defending black people

To be fair, big open spaces in the sun are a lot less "contagious" than everyone cramming into a city.

[Liam-]

Enough of this line of thinking already.


The cause is not being lost due to some minor Incidents of violence or a couple horses being scared whatsoever. Anyone who even begins to think that never even cared much for it in the first place and is happy enough to keep things as they are.

.

The cause is being ‘lost’ by people that either never understood it or never wanted to understand it

[arista]

Well Done the USA Atlanta Mayor
telling all protestors to get a Covid-19 test.


She was live on CNN HD

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Tom4784]

It’s funny how people are willing to turn a blind eye to vandalism and assaults because they happen while people protesting.
The law has to apply to everyone regardless of how deserving you think the cause is.
It’s the police who keep you safe without them you would be at the mercy of criminals.

They are far from perfect but without them the streets would run red with blood

It’s the police that face violence every day of the week they have wife’s and kids at home who love them.

A black man kills a white man and his defence is white people are racist, do we turn round and say, ok that’s fine your free to go because that’s how lots of people on here have that mentality that a crime is justified because other crimes are happening.

We wouldn't have the civil rights we have now if our predecessors didn't fight for them, civil obedience doesn't lead to change, it never has.

Your weird non-existent example is just pure white martyrdom.

[Tom4784]

Enough of this line of thinking already.


The cause is not being lost due to some minor Incidents of violence or a couple horses being scared whatsoever. Anyone who even begins to think that never even cared much for it in the first place and is happy enough to keep things as they are.

Exactly, the same people who think like this will always trot out the 'few bad apples' line too in regards to the police.

If someone is looking for any reason to disparage a cause then, like as you said, they never supported the cause in the first place.

[Samm]

To be fair, big open spaces in the sun are a lot less "contagious" than everyone cramming into a city.

And how many people on the beach were wearing masks, compared to those at the protest?

[thesheriff443]

We wouldn't have the civil rights we have now if our predecessors didn't fight for them, civil obedience doesn't lead to change, it never has.

Your weird non-existent example is just pure white martyrdom.

If you think words are not needed but actions get on the streets!, but the truth is you are just another arm chair protester.

[Oliver_W]

And how many people on the beach were wearing masks, compared to those at the protest?

I didn't count, feel free to check :)

[Samm]

I didn't count, feel free to check :)

No I’ve got better things to do, maybe have a better sense of common sense before you post :)

[Oliver_W]

No I’ve got better things to do, maybe have a better sense of common sense before you post :)

Common sense says that open spaces + sunshine are better than cramped streets, mask or no masks.

[Samm]

Common sense says that open spaces + sunshine are better than cramped streets, mask or no masks.

Common sense also says that people fighting for their civil rights is a valid excuse to protest and says even more that people are willing to do so in pandemic. More valid then sitting on a beach for no good reason :)

[bots]

i don't think i have ever seen so much virtue signalling in one place before

[Tom4784]

It's a bit gross to reduce a pandemic that's claimed hundreds of thousands of lives to a method of shutting down a cause you don't like.

[Liam-]

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Love to see it

[Liam-]

All of them in gloves and masks as well :love:

[Samm]

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Love to see it

love my home city :love: best place in the uk FACT

[Crimson Dynamo]

pathetic but if it makes them feel important and crucially they have the content they want for the socials...

[Cherie]

1269633519355138049

Love to see it

one person is wearing gloves in that clip, should have gone to specsavers Liam!

I am over social distancing now, if people want to cram together please feel free, just don't moan about the R rate, and local lock downs if they happen

[Liam-]

one person is wearing gloves in that clip, should have gone to specsavers Liam!

I am over social distancing now, if people want to cram together please feel free, just don't moan about the R rate, and local lock downs if they happen

Fine but they’re all wearing masks :oh:

[Liam-]

All statues commemorating well known racists should be pulled down and knelt on, make a proper statement across the world

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

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:clap2:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Oh i didn’t see it’d already been posted ignore me

[Liam-]

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*chefs kiss*

[arista]

Oh i didn’t see it’d already been posted ignore me


Nice to see you on Serious Debates
Scott.

Eddie was a Hard Worker


[He was apprenticed to the Mercers Company
for eight years and by 1672 was shipping goods from London.
He built up a lucrative business, trading cloth, oil,
wine, sherry and fruit with Spain,
Portugal, Italy and Africa.
In 1680, Colston became a member
of the Royal African Company,
which had held the monopoly in England
on trading along the West coast of Africa in gold,
silver, ivory and slaves from 1662.
Colston rose rapidly on to the board
of the company and was Deputy Governor,
its most senior executive position,
from 1689 to 1690;
his association with the company ended in 1692.
This company had been set up
by King Charles II and his brother James, Duke of York,
(later King James II, who was the Governor of the company),
together with City of London merchants,
and it had many notable investors,
including John Locke, English philosopher and physician,
widely regarded as one of the most influential
of Enlightenment thinkers and commonly known
as the "Father of Liberalism"
(though he later changed his stance on the slave trade),
and the diarist Samuel Pepys.]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

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This is so embarrassing

[Samm]

1269644536281776128

*chefs kiss*

Thrown into the same harbour in which he made his money through importing slaves, poetic :love:

[JerseyWins]

1269471587318632451

This is so embarrassing
ahhhh :skull:

[arista]

Thrown into the same harbour in which he made his money through importing slaves, poetic :love:


But in 1670
everyone was doing the same
it was normal then.
Does not make it right
but many Europe Nations
were doing the same.

[Oliver_W]

Nice to see you on Serious Debates
Scott.

Eddie was a Hard Worker


[He was apprenticed to the Mercers Company
for eight years and by 1672 was shipping goods from London.
He built up a lucrative business, trading cloth, oil,
wine, sherry and fruit with Spain,
Portugal, Italy and Africa.
In 1680, Colston became a member
of the Royal African Company,
which had held the monopoly in England
on trading along the West coast of Africa in gold,
silver, ivory and slaves from 1662.
Colston rose rapidly on to the board
of the company and was Deputy Governor,
its most senior executive position,
from 1689 to 1690;
his association with the company ended in 1692.
This company had been set up
by King Charles II and his brother James, Duke of York,
(later King James II, who was the Governor of the company),
together with City of London merchants,
and it had many notable investors,
including John Locke, English philosopher and physician,
widely regarded as one of the most influential
of Enlightenment thinkers and commonly known
as the "Father of Liberalism"
(though he later changed his stance on the slave trade),
and the diarist Samuel Pepys.]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston

Yeah it is a bit short-sighted to reduce him to nothing more than a "slave trader" when he did quite bit more, like funding schools and hospitals.

[Liam-]

Yeah it is a bit short-sighted to reduce him to nothing more than a "slave trader" when he did quite bit more, like funding schools and hospitals.

With his fortune made from the slave trade

[Oliver_W]

With his fortune made from the slave trade

instead of spending it all on wine and women :shrug:

[Liam-]

‘Slave owners weren’t all bad’ is peak TiBB in 2020

[Scarlett.]

pathetic but if it makes them feel important and crucially they have the content they want for the socials...

I wonder if you had the same attitude when the statue of Saddam was pulled down?


History isnt static, just because a statue exists, doesn't mean it should remain, there is a lot of historic significance in a statue being brought down.

[arista]

Back on the main topic
Floyd had Criminal record, he was not a good person.
That Counterfeit 20 dollar bill
brought in the Police.
If only he did not use that fake note.

Of course the Evil
now Ex Cop, that murdered him is going to jail for life.
No one is backing that murder.

[Scarlett.]

Back on the main topic
Floyd had Criminal record, he was not a good person.
That Counterfeit 20 dollar bill
brought in the Police.
If only he did not use that fake note.

Of course the Evil
now Ex Cop, that murdered him is going to jail for life.
No one is backing that murder.

Counterfeiting is a pretty white collar crime, if it was a white man, he'd have probably served a short sentence in a minimum security prison.

That is, if he was guilty.

[Liam-]

Isn’t it funny, hysterical right wingers don’t want British atrocities taught in schools, or mentioned on kids shows like horrible histories because we should respect Britain and never say we did anything bad, yet a statue of a notorious slave trader gets torn down and suddenly they’re all for historic things being in the public eye, aren’t we as a country exhausted yet of finding ways to celebrate or white wash our horrible connections with racism? Like come on, everyone knows it happened, why are white people so insecure that they feel like we can’t talk about it and can’t admit this country was a massive part of the world wide problem, it’s like it’s been brushed under the carpet and people expect it to just be forgotten, we need to educate people to make them understand why people feel so strongly about this.

[arista]

Counterfeiting is a pretty white collar crime, if it was a white man, he'd have probably served a short sentence in a minimum security prison.


Sure but his Arrests before
[In 2009, Floyd served a five-year prison sentence
as part of a plea deal on the 2007 charge
of aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon,
reports the Houston Chronicle.]

Prove he was not a Good Person
that everyone is saying.

[Liam-]

Arista has gone full Katie Hopkins, code red!

[arista]

Arista has gone full Katie Hopkins, code red!


Katie would be banned on this Forum.


I am asking for balanced news
which is only fair

[thesheriff443]

Sure but his Arrests before
[In 2009, Floyd served a five-year prison sentence
as part of a plea deal on the 2007 charge
of aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon,
reports the Houston Chronicle.]

Prove he was not a Good Person
that everyone is saying.

Some would have you believe he is a decorated war hero.
He didn’t deserve to die but try and keep it real.

[arista]

The Mayor of Bristol
Live on Ch4HDnews
said its Criminal Damage.

[Kazanne]

Arista has gone full Katie Hopkins, code red!

Hes telling the truth though,George Floyd also held a gun to a pregnant womans belly, it's tragic he got murdered,but no need to snipe at someone who is just relaying his background,its no excuse for what happened but people need to stop portraying him as a saint, he wasnt.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Back on the main topic
Floyd had Criminal record, he was not a good person.
That Counterfeit 20 dollar bill
brought in the Police.
If only he did not use that fake note.

Of course the Evil
now Ex Cop, that murdered him is going to jail for life.
No one is backing that murder.

How does having a criminal record automatically make you “not a good person” :conf2:

[Samm]

‘Slave owners weren’t all bad’ is peak TiBB in 2020

Honestly this forum makes me cackle sometimes.

[JerseyWins]

Couple potentially controversial opinions actually seeing a bit of both sides:

Yeah George Floyd was not a model citizen (he held a gun to a pregnant woman's stomach in that arrest I believe or was it a separate instance?) and had multiple troubles but still it has absolutely nothing to do with how he was handled by the police/Derek in this individual case. It IS a bit ill-mannered tho to blindly defend and glorify a past criminal while then turning around & continuously (and generally) criticizing what is primarily a group of heroes. Blame people doing wrong in general, not biased general blaming of groups & agendas.

The cops involved with pushing the old man was an accident, it was a slight shove that turned into a tumbling fall and they looked immediately concerned / calling for an ambulance. They're trying to do their job clearing the streets but they should be more careful with handling an old man tho. You can't expect cops to not use some unnecessary force with the job they have to do but there can be better judgment on when to do so. Poor judgment in this case but an accidental injury nonetheless.

Taking down any statues is not a big deal. These might be historic people in history but there are bigger issues than that right now. I think kneeling on the statue is a bit in poor taste but it's nowhere near as bad as the white people mocking the situation doing the George Floyd challenge.

[Liam-]

Hes telling the truth though,George Floyd also held a gun to a pregnant womans belly, it's tragic he got murdered,but no need to snipe at someone who is just relaying his background,its no excuse for what happened but people need to stop portraying him as a saint, he wasnt.

Who has portrayed him as a saint? The man did his time after doing something awful and spent the last 10-12 years of his life following the law and being a good father, he’s not a saint, but he is a victim of a tyrannical state sponsored gang that shows little to now respect for black peoples lives, saying ‘oh, well he wasn’t a good person’ really shows people for what they are sorry

[arista]

Hes telling the truth though,George Floyd also held a gun to a pregnant womans belly, it's tragic he got murdered,but no need to snipe at someone who is just relaying his background,its no excuse for what happened but people need to stop portraying him as a saint, he wasn't.


Evil.


Scott
never put a gun to a pregnant women's belly.


He was not a Good Person
not need to murder him, of course

[Liam-]

If his background has no relevence to his murder, then why do people keep bringing it up trying to justify what happened to him, it just sounds like ‘eh, no loss’ but it is a loss, he didn’t deserve to die and his daughter doesn’t deserve to grow up without her farther because the police system allows cops to believe they’re above the law, it’s so tiring

[Liam-]

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If they get that thing in a river they deserve a pint

[arista]

If his background has no relevence to his murder, then why do people keep bringing it up trying to justify what happened to him, it just sounds like ‘eh, no loss’ but it is a loss, he didn’t deserve to die and his daughter doesn’t deserve to grow up without her farther because the police system allows cops to believe they’re above the law, it’s so tiring


No
it's important to know the truth that he was not
a good person.

[Kazanne]

Who has portrayed him as a saint? The man did his time after doing something awful and spent the last 10-12 years of his life following the law and being a good father, he’s not a saint, but he is a victim of a tyrannical state sponsored gang that shows little to now respect for black peoples lives, saying ‘oh, well he wasn’t a good person’ really shows people for what they are sorry

We know hes a victim,no one said he wasn't he was trying to turn his like around and should be applauded for that , no one on this forum has condoned what happened to him ,I was just pointing out LT was not lying about his past.

[Kazanne]

If his background has no relevence to his murder, then why do people keep bringing it up trying to justify what happened to him, it just sounds like ‘eh, no loss’ but it is a loss, he didn’t deserve to die and his daughter doesn’t deserve to grow up without her farther because the police system allows cops to believe they’re above the law, it’s so tiring

That could be said of hundreds of people.

[Liam-]

It’s like screaming into the wind here sometimes

[SherzyK]

Why does putting an end to racism need a debate?

[rusticgal]

If his background has no relevence to his murder, then why do people keep bringing it up trying to justify what happened to him, it just sounds like ‘eh, no loss’ but it is a loss, he didn’t deserve to die and his daughter doesn’t deserve to grow up without her farther because the police system allows cops to believe they’re above the law, it’s so tiring


No one is trying to justify what happened to him :shrug: they are just pointing out he had a criminal background. Stop twisting people’s words.

[JerseyWins]

Fwiw I don't agree with even bringing up George Floyd's criminal past as it has nothing to do with the injustice of how he was murdered, just commenting on it while it did get brought up in discussion

No one is trying to justify what happened to him :shrug: they are just pointing out he had a criminal background. Stop twisting people’s words.
This, no one is justifying anything in here

[Liam-]

No one is trying to justify what happened to him :shrug: they are just pointing out he had a criminal background. Stop twisting people’s words.

What does his past record have to do with his murder?

[LukeB]

Why does putting an end to racism need a debate?

this

also why is his criminal record being discussed when it's totally irrelevant...nothing to do with why he got killed.

[caprimint]

How does having a criminal record automatically make you “not a good person” :conf2:
I wouldn't say that... but re: the holding a gun against a pregnant woman I wouldn't say he was a good person? It's not like he ever learned from any of his mistakes either, he kept going on to commit different crimes :shrug:

[caprimint]

Oh I didn't realise people had already gone there

[Zizu]

Nice to see you on Serious Debates

Scott.



Eddie was a Hard Worker





[He was apprenticed to the Mercers Company

for eight years and by 1672 was shipping goods from London.

He built up a lucrative business, trading cloth, oil,

wine, sherry and fruit with Spain,

Portugal, Italy and Africa.

In 1680, Colston became a member

of the Royal African Company,

which had held the monopoly in England

on trading along the West coast of Africa in gold,

silver, ivory and slaves from 1662.

Colston rose rapidly on to the board

of the company and was Deputy Governor,

its most senior executive position,

from 1689 to 1690;

his association with the company ended in 1692.

This company had been set up

by King Charles II and his brother James, Duke of York,

(later King James II, who was the Governor of the company),

together with City of London merchants,

and it had many notable investors,

including John Locke, English philosopher and physician,

widely regarded as one of the most influential

of Enlightenment thinkers and commonly known

as the "Father of Liberalism"

(though he later changed his stance on the slave trade),

and the diarist Samuel Pepys.]





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston



Mmmmm.. just the two flaws then ..

Edward Colston
(2 November 1636 – 11 October 1721) Colston was a Bristol-born English merchant, philanthropist, slave trader, and Member of Parliament.



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[caprimint]

The best thing I saw on this was Candace's video that even changed some people's opinions

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[Oliver_W]

Isn’t it funny, hysterical right wingers don’t want British atrocities taught in schools, or mentioned on kids shows like horrible histories because we should respect Britain and never say we did anything bad, yet a statue of a notorious slave trader gets torn down and suddenly they’re all for historic things being in the public eye, aren’t we as a country exhausted yet of finding ways to celebrate or white wash our horrible connections with racism? Like come on, everyone knows it happened, why are white people so insecure that they feel like we can’t talk about it and can’t admit this country was a massive part of the world wide problem, it’s like it’s been brushed under the carpet and people expect it to just be forgotten, we need to educate people to make them understand why people feel so strongly about this.
History has more interesting things like Vikings, Normans, Romans, Tudors, Stuarts, Oliver Cromwell, and a couple of world wars. There's no real need to carp on about why Brits should hate themselves :shrug:

Back on the main topic
Floyd had Criminal record, he was not a good person.
That Counterfeit 20 dollar bill
brought in the Police.
If only he did not use that fake note.

Of course the Evil
now Ex Cop, that murdered him is going to jail for life.
No one is backing that murder.
I'm more worried about other things (https://www.newsbreak.com/minnesota/minneapolis/news/0PFhIs2c/george-floyd-criminal-past-arrest-timelinehistoryrecord-of-robbery-baggie-gun-pregnant-and-all-details) he's allegedly done than try to spend phoney money without knowing about it. He was an awful person who doesn't deserve to be the figurehead of all this, but it's not up to a random cop to decide whether he lives or dies.

[Kazanne]

https://i.imgur.com/wYYl9Zr.jpg

This is the way to do it he didnt change everything but he changed a lot, great respect for this man.

[Liam-]

History has more interesting things like Vikings, Normans, Romans, Tudors, Stuarts, Oliver Cromwell, and a couple of world wars. There's no real need to carp on about why Brits should hate themselves :shrug:


This is why we need to educate our future generations on these matters

[Liam-]

https://i.imgur.com/wYYl9Zr.jpg

This is the way to do it he didnt change everything but he changed a lot, great respect for this man.

And he was still assassinated by a white supremacist

[Oliver_W]

This is why we need to educate our future generations

Nah. That kind of thing just isn't interesting.

Well maybe save it for PSHE and leave the good bits for History class :)

[Kazanne]

And he was still assassinated by a white supremacist

We know,but he did change things somewhat ,not sure this protest will have the same outcome now.

[Liam-]

Nah. That kind of thing just isn't interesting.

Well maybe save it for PSHE and leave the good bits for History class :)

Why is it not interesting? We learn about the American slave trade and their civil war, why shouldn’t we learn about our involvement?

Teaching generations of kids a skewed version of our history is so harmful, they end up being ignorant and think British racism isn’t a far felt thing

[Oliver_W]

Why is it not interesting? We learn about the American slave trade and their civil war, why shouldn’t we learn about our involvement?

Teaching generations of kids a skewed version of our history is so harmful, they end up being ignorant and think British racism isn’t a far felt thing

The slave trade was a larger part of American history, and played a central role in their civil war. While some Brits did have slaves, it wasn't as much of "a thing" in Britain and wasn't tied into our history, i.e. in the same way it was involved in their war. You can't teach about the American Civil War without bringing slavery into it.

But it wasn't an integral part of our history, unless we're counting when virtually everyone in the British Isles were the slaves of the Romans :laugh:

[Liam-]

The slave trade was a larger part of American history, and played a central role in their civil war. While some Brits did have slaves, it wasn't as much of "a thing" in Britain and wasn't tied into our history, i.e. in the same way it was involved in their war. You can't teach about the American Civil War without bringing slavery into it.

But it wasn't an integral part of our history, unless we're counting when virtually everyone in the British Isles were the slaves of the Romans :laugh:

Right and as proven today, we can’t teach about the success of some major British cities without discussing the slave trade either, so why not teach about it?

If we want to move forward and have people understand the history of British racism and oppression, we can’t continue to hide away from out historic atrocities, teaching people that Churchill was nothing more than a hero, is intellectually incorrect and that’s just for starters, we shouldn’t be hiding our past.

[Kazanne]

Right and as proven today, we can’t teach about the success of some major British cities without discussing the slave trade either, so why not teach about it?

If we want to move forward and have people understand the history of British racism and oppression, we can’t continue to hide away from out historic atrocities, teaching people that Churchill was nothing more than a hero, is intellectually incorrect and that’s just for starters, we shouldn’t be hiding our past.

Churchill wasnt perfect (who is) but he is the reason people can do what they are doing by protesting today

[Oliver_W]

Right and as proven today, we can’t teach about the success of some major British cities without discussing the slave trade either, so why not teach about it?

If we want to move forward and have people understand the history of British racism and oppression, we can’t continue to hide away from out historic atrocities, teaching people that Churchill was nothing more than a hero, is intellectually incorrect and that’s just for starters, we shouldn’t be hiding our past.

Why do we need to teach the history of British racism and oppression? Like, maybe in PSHE lol, but there's so much more interesting history to teach. I get your point about British cities, but unless I slept through it there wasn't a lesson about the formation of Bristol :laugh:

Slavery was just background noise, Britain today wouldn't be any different if they were paid servants doing the work. Whereas who knows what America would be like today if the Civil War hadn't happened.

It won't change anything going forward. I think everyone acknowledges Churchill had some views which are now a bit dodgy, but it's just churlish to define him by those views alone when he led the country to victory in WWII.

[Liam-]

Just because something isn’t interesting, doesn’t mean it’s not important to learn

And it’s not just about his personal views, his orders lead to the genocide of nearly 3 million Bengali Indians, he ordered the province to not be helped when they were facing famine, yes he got us through the war, but that doesn’t mean all his other actions should be forgotten about

[Kazanne]

Birmingham was a great example to the protesting from what I see and hear it was all done very peacefully so it can be done

[Marsh.]

This is the way to do it.

Yeah, English white lady, you tell them how to deal with things.

[Denver]

We as a country should be ashamed that we have statues of slave owners still up and glorified

[The Slim Reaper]

Churchill wasnt perfect (who is) but he is the reason people can do what they are doing by protesting today

It was more Stalin than Churchill.

[Oliver_W]

Just because something isn’t interesting, doesn’t mean it’s not important to learn
Why do you think it's important to learn? No-one thinks it was all daisies and cupcakes anyway, so what would it achieve? Even the likes of Tommy Robinson don't wanna bring slavery back :laugh:

[Marsh.]

Why do you think it's important to learn? No-one thinks it was all daisies and cupcakes anyway, so what would it achieve? Even the likes of Tommy Robinson don't wanna bring slavery back :laugh:

You're asking what it would achieve to learn about the history of the human race on this planet?

Slavery... back? You say that as if slavery doesn't exist anymore. So that there is reason number 1 for you to educate yourself.

[Kazanne]

Why do you think it's important to learn? No-one thinks it was all daisies and cupcakes anyway, so what would it achieve? Even the likes of Tommy Robinson don't wanna bring slavery back :laugh:

It was interesting watching you and Liam interact,no insults just opinions,made interesting reading

[Liam-]

Why do you think it's important to learn? No-one thinks it was all daisies and cupcakes anyway, so what would it achieve? Even the likes of Tommy Robinson don't wanna bring slavery back :laugh:

Because it’s the history of our country, we shouldn’t just learn the good or ‘interesting’ bits, skewing history isn’t cute, it does a disservice

[Cherie]

We as a country should be ashamed that we have statues of slave owners still up and glorified

They are hardly glorified, they are there for historic purposes ...unless you think we should burn everything down that reminds us of past history

[Cherie]

Because it’s the history of our country, we shouldn’t just learn the good or ‘interesting’ bits, skewing history isn’t cute, it does a disservice

More reason that statues like the one that was brought down today should stay up, we cant sanitise the past....in the future things that are quite acceptable today will no longer be...

[Liam-]

They are hardly glorified, they are there for historic purposes ...unless you think we should burn everything down that reminds us of past history

Statues of people are put up to celebrate them, that’s the whole point of statues

[Liam-]

More reason that statues like the one that was brought down today should stay up, we cant sanitise the past....in the future things that are quite acceptable today will no longer be...

No, because if people were taught about all of these things in school, there wouldn’t be a need to keep statues erected that were made to celebrate these people, statues aren’t educational, they’re commemorative

[The Slim Reaper]

More reason that statues like the one that was brought down today should stay up, we cant sanitise the past....in the future things that are quite acceptable today will no longer be...

I do feel there is a difference between knowing and teaching our history, and maintaining monuments to it.

No one puts up a statue of Hitler in Trafalgar square to remind us simultaneously of our darkest days, and our greatest triumph.

[Samm]

If you have more of an issue with the statue of a slave owner being destroyed then it being there in the first place, then you’re exactly the problem.

[Cherie]

I do feel there is a difference between knowing and teaching our history, and maintaining monuments to it.

No one puts up a statue of Hitler in Trafalgar square to remind us simultaneously of our darkest days, and our greatest triumph.

He is not British for a start, and slavery was legal back in the day :shrug: when was the statue erected?

Maybe we should burn down all the Stately Homes as well as they treated people like slaves

[Samm]

bye bye bitch x

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[Cherie]

If you have more of an issue with the statue of a slave owner being destroyed then it being there in the first place, then you’re exactly the problem.



Yes as an Irish person

No Blacks
No Dogs
No Irish

3rd on the list, yes I am definitely part of the problem..

[arista]

Once again
they are attacking Police in Whitehall.
Using Fireworks.


Live on SkyNewsHD


not on BBC news

[Cherie]

The statue was unveiled by the Lord Mayor of Bristol on 13 November 1895. Until the 1990s, Colston's involvement in the slave trade, the source of much of the money which he bestowed in Bristol, went largely unremarked.


oh a very recent gorification then :fan:

[Scarlett.]

More reason that statues like the one that was brought down today should stay up, we cant sanitise the past....in the future things that are quite acceptable today will no longer be...

Leave the plynth up and have plaque explaining what the statue used to be and why it was torn down, much more symbolic.

[The Slim Reaper]

He is not British for a start, and slavery was legal back in the day :shrug: when was the statue erected?

Maybe we should burn down all the Stately Homes as well as they treated people like slaves

Ploughing medicine full of cocaine used to be legal, so let's pop up a statue of Escobar :smug:

I'm not sure there's a definitively right or wrong way to look at it as it comes down to personal beliefs, but if I was black person having to walk past that statue everyday on my way to work, having already grown up in a country full of racism, then I'd feel some type of way about it.

[bots]

the right thing to do would have been to ask the people of Bristol democratically if they wanted the statue removed, not taking unilateral destructive action.

[Samm]

the right thing to do would have been to ask the people of Bristol democratically if they wanted the statue removed, not taking unilateral destructive action.

I have lived there and we have done for years. It gets ignored.

The statue was unveiled by the Lord Mayor of Bristol on 13 November 1895. Until the 1990s, Colston's involvement in the slave trade, the source of much of the money which he bestowed in Bristol, went largely unremarked.


oh a very recent gorification then :fan:

Huh? Make sure to actually make sense when replying to me hun

[Cherie]

Leave the plynth up and have plaque explaining what the statue used to be and why it was torn down, much more symbolic.

He supported and endowed schools, almshouses, hospitals and churches in Bristol, London and elsewhere. Many of his charitable foundations continue

the group who sent him to a watery grave need to seek out these charitable foundations and shut them down yes? the hospitals, schools and churches too, lets not leave a stone unturned in this quest ….

[Cherie]

I have lived there and we have done for years. It gets ignored.



Huh? Make sure to actually make sense when replying to me hun

I wasn't replying to you at all which is why you weren't quoted....?

I did quote you elsewhere, ignored I see hun

[Samm]

He supported and endowed schools, almshouses, hospitals and churches in Bristol, London and elsewhere. Many of his charitable foundations continue

the group who sent him to a watery grave need to seek out these charitable foundations and shut them down yes? the hospitals, schools and churches too, lets not leave a stone unturned in this quest ….

He funded those places from slavery income? I can’t believe you’re actually defending that. The argument you’re building is grotesque.

[Zizu]

Leave the plynth up and have plaque explaining what the statue used to be and why it was torn down, much more symbolic.



Nice idea plus have something beautiful in it’s place ..


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[Marsh.]

the group who sent him to a watery grave

The statue aint him Chez.

[Cherie]

He funded those places from slavery income? I can’t believe you’re actually defending that. The argument you’re building is grotesque.

Learn to read, I am encouraging you to get them shut down ...follow up if you will

[Cherie]

The statue aint him Chez.

His stoney body :hehe:

[Brother Leon]

Well done Bristol.

Proud of you Honey.

[Kazanne]

Nice idea plus have something beautiful in it’s place ..


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How about a statue of Tinkerbelle

[Shaun]

"but he supported schools" does not absolve him of anything lmao

[Brother Leon]

I wonder if we all were upset when the Military tore down Saddam’s statue in Iraq?

Or was it celebrated instead?

[Liam-]

Correct me if I’m wrong Samm, but isn’t there a hall named after him that’s going to be changing their name soon?

[arista]

Was on BBCnewsHD Live
in brief.


The Police being attacked in Whitehall.

[Samm]

Correct me if I’m wrong Samm, but isn’t there a hall named after him that’s going to be changing their name soon?

Yes the colston concert hall It has been going through a re-vamp since 2017. Meant to be re-opening this year with a new name that’s being decided through the bristol music trust. Think they’re asking the people of bristol to decide.

[Zizu]

Slight tangent but just wondering who decides who gets to use the megaphones in all the different groups of protesters ??





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