George Floyd killed by the police

[Cherie]

Yes the colston concert hall It has been going through a re-vamp since 2017. Meant to be re-opening this year with a new name that’s being decided through the bristol music trust. Think they’re asking the people of bristol to decide.

If he funded a single brick it should be razed to the ground and rebuilt yes?

[Marsh.]

Didn't Saville fund schools and hospitals? I don't think that is the argument to make.

[Samm]

If he funded a single brick it should be razed to the ground and rebuilt yes?

seeing as he died in 1721 and the re-vamp was in 2017 i don’t think so luv x

[Cherie]

Didn't Saville fund schools and hospitals? I don't think that is the argument to make.

Burn them

[Zizu]

Was on BBCnewsHD Live
in brief.


The Police being attacked in Whitehall.




I have no idea what goes through the minds of someone throwing glass bottles into crowds of innocent people / police .


I’d hope that the police have people observing and filming the ones who are launching missiles ..


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[Cherie]

seeing as he died in 1721 and the re-vamp was in 2017 i don’t think so luv x

The original was built in the 1800s is there a reason it was named after him?

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[The Slim Reaper]

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Well then

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[Zizu]

So as the crowd rioting and violence has just escalated to ridiculous levels WHY are neither Sky News nor BBC News showing any live footage ??


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[The Slim Reaper]

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Abort. Abort. Abort. :joker:

[Zizu]

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Is that supposed to be funny ?

They’re throwing bottles , bricks and fireworks onto the police even when there are ‘peaceful’ protesters next to and even engaged in conversations with the police ..


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[Zizu]

There’s a lot of pictures of mixed youngsters who just turn up for the fun of it, and nothing to do with the protests or understand the true cause.

There’s are lots of genuine people who want to fight for the cause. There’s are groups who just there to blame the police and cause public order offences.

I hope this doesn’t lead too riots on the streets again?


I’m also confused as to how the throwing of bottles ,bricks and fireworks onto the police ranks is going to HELP future relationships between the public and the police ??


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[Kizzy]

I remember a similar argument when the issue of the statue to Cecil Rhodes being removed in South Africa, because his estate was a benefactor for scholarships to certain schools it was seen as a reason to ignore his racism.

[Zizu]

So as the crowd rioting and violence has just escalated to ridiculous levels WHY are neither Sky News nor BBC News showing any live footage ??


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Any thoughts ?


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[Kizzy]

There’s a lot of pictures of mixed youngsters who just turn up for the fun of it, and nothing to do with the protests or understand the true cause.

There’s are lots of genuine people who want to fight for the cause. There’s are groups who just there to blame the police and cause public order offences.

I hope this doesn’t lead too riots on the streets again?


I’m also confused as to how the throwing of bottles ,bricks and fireworks onto the police ranks is going to HELP future relationships between the public and the police ??


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I hate to te you this but there will always be twats. ..
It does not however detract from the important issue those peacefully and earnestly protesting are there to address.

The worry of course is as always that will be overshadowed especially now, people have been kettle in their homes for weeks, right now the UK is like a champagne bottle one good shake and there's going to be an almighty pop!

[Kizzy]

Any thoughts ?


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Have you seen what happens to the media caught up in the thick of the protests? That might have something to do with it. The other theory is there's a media blackout to prevent others joining the protests or sympathising with them.

[Niamh.]

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[Greg!]

Thatcher’s statue coming down next yup :love:

[Zizu]

Have you seen what happens to the media caught up in the thick of the protests? That might have something to do with it. The other theory is there's a media blackout to prevent others joining the protests or sympathising with them.



Fair point


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[Zizu]

Thatcher’s statue coming down next yup :love:



That’s the trouble .. where does this all end now ?


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[Marsh.]

That’s the trouble .. where does this all end now ?


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Ends in stop bloody immortalising people with statues.

They all creep the hell out of me no matter who they are.

Do we really need a bronze Cilla Black creeping in an alleyway in Liverpool? :worry:

[The Slim Reaper]

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He's the most Irish person in the world.

[Tom4784]

He supported and endowed schools, almshouses, hospitals and churches in Bristol, London and elsewhere. Many of his charitable foundations continue

the group who sent him to a watery grave need to seek out these charitable foundations and shut them down yes? the hospitals, schools and churches too, lets not leave a stone unturned in this quest ….

Yes, good point if you disregard common sense.

A building can have it's name changed, it's benefactors or creators disavowed but a statue of someone in a public place can only exist as a tribute to that person's life. Buildings serve a purpose, statues do not. Trying to equate tearing down a statue to tearing down schools or hospitals is utter nonsense. Destroying a statue of a long dead slaver doesn't negatively affect anyone, it's a symbolic destruction of a memorial to a slaver. Destroying a school or a hospital affects many people and it's ultimately a waste.

You in your misguided defense of a slaver's statue are basically saying that these people have to go around destroying charities, schools, hospitals and more because they destroyed a statue and they're hypocrites if they don't. It's false equivalence at it's most blatant and yet more gatekeeping on your part. 'You can't do this if you're not willing to do this utterly bat**** thing I'm suggesting because I say so.'

[user104658]

:laugh:

He's the most Irish person in the world.

That is actually Niamh... there was an Cowell-style competition. "Ireland's Got Irish People" it was called.

[The Slim Reaper]

That is actually Niamh... there was an Cowell-style competition. "Ireland's Got Irish People" it was called.

He's missing Niamhs signature Irish thing of eyebrows on the cheeks, so I'm calling bs.

[Niamh.]

He's missing Niamhs signature Irish thing of eyebrows on the cheeks, so I'm calling bs.Eyebrows on the cheeks? [emoji23]

[Marsh.]

Not Miss Niamh having hairy cheeks.

[The Slim Reaper]

Eyebrows on the cheeks? [emoji23]

Start at 2.10 :smug:

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[Niamh.]

Start at 2.10 :smug:



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[Cherie]

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[Kizzy]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ebPoSMULI5U

[Zizu]

Ends in stop bloody immortalising people with statues.



They all creep the hell out of me no matter who they are.



Do we really need a bronze Cilla Black creeping in an alleyway in Liverpool? :worry:



That’s a fair point to be fair ..


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[GiRTh]

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[Tom4784]

So Nigel Farage considers a slaver a symbol, how unsurprising.

[Zizu]

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[Zizu]

I’d hold the organisers of these ‘pretests’ responsible for all the mayhem ..

It was always going to end badly if only sending the R rate soaring .... now we’ve got potential widespread rioting as a very real possibility.

Surely the organisers have to take some responsibility??


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Five minutes of fame ..

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Should get five years of prison time.

[caprimint]

Boris needs to give a Trump speech real fast

[arista]

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[Zizu]

See the guy wielding that pole / bar .. the police should have small teams of 4 or 5 kitted out who could rush in and snatch those intent on seriously harming -same apples to those seen throwing bottles / flares and fireworks.

If they knew they’d get targeted and dragged away it would act as a deterrent



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[user104658]

I do wonder if it would be better to leave the statues where they are, just ensure they're accompanied by the full history of the person depicted, including the controversies. You can't erase history unfortunately - but you can ensure that it's recorded accurately and without sentimentality or bias. Churchill was instrumental in defeating the Nazis. He was also a white supremacist and guilty of earlier war crimes. Those are the facts. I feel like one side doesn't like the former and one doesn't like the latter... But they're just historical facts.

I get why people are angry about the statues as they stand though. They very rarely include the bad, and paint people with some dark history as paragons.

[Cherie]

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

[Nicky91]

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

then they just don't need to use horses in these sort of things


another disgusting thing from the police :idc: that animal abuse

[caprimint]

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend
Damn this is awful...

[Kazanne]

then they just don't need to use horses in these sort of things


another disgusting thing from the police :idc: that animal abuse

Excuse me ? animal abuse is from those throwing fireworks and flares,bricks and bikes at the horses, good deflection though to try and blame the police,imo NO animals should be used for human safety or entertainment,I abhor horse racing, is that animal abuse ? i dont care what side you are on but to blame the police for those horses being hurt is just madness.

[arista]

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend


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[Oliver_W]

the wpc whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend

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[Nicky91]

Excuse me ? animal abuse is from those throwing fireworks and flares,bricks and bikes at the horses, good deflection though to try and blame the police,imo NO animals should be used for human safety or entertainment,I abhor horse racing, is that animal abuse ? i dont care what side you are on but to blame the police for those horses being hurt is just madness.

the horses are being used by the police there, right


and i don't think we live in middle ages anymore, so hardly necessary either to use horses

when you should be aware they can get startled in chaotic events like riots

[Oliver_W]

the horses are being used by the police there, right


and i don't think we live in middle ages anymore, so hardly necessary either to use horses

when you should be aware they can get startled in chaotic events like riots

What would you suggest they use instead?

[Cherie]

the horses are being used by the police there, right


and i don't think we live in middle ages anymore, so hardly necessary either to use horses

when you should be aware they can get startled in chaotic events like riots

The horses are trained to work in crowds Nicky, they are not brought off the fields for the day

[Nicky91]

What would you suggest they use instead?

don't they have those shields, among their equipment

more defence for cops then

and the water cannon is already a good one i guess

teargas or pepperspray would also be effective in solving the riot problem quick and easy

but yeah protest work has been done, now it should be up to politicians to step up and say ''we need to debate about how to get rid of racism''

[Cherie]

I do wonder if it would be better to leave the statues where they are, just ensure they're accompanied by the full history of the person depicted, including the controversies. You can't erase history unfortunately - but you can ensure that it's recorded accurately and without sentimentality or bias. Churchill was instrumental in defeating the Nazis. He was also a white supremacist and guilty of earlier war crimes. Those are the facts. I feel like one side doesn't like the former and one doesn't like the latter... But they're just historical facts.

I get why people are angry about the statues as they stand though. They very rarely include the bad, and paint people with some dark history as paragons.

I agree with this, just listened to the Mayor of Bristol say the statue will be retrieved and put in a museum so a good compromise I guess, I don't want to walk around cities in the future and find them completely sanitised of all past history good or bad, the pyramids were built on misery for instance, are we suggesting they should be razed to the ground

[joeysteele]

the horses are being used by the police there, right


and i don't think we live in middle ages anymore, so hardly necessary either to use horses

when you should be aware they can get startled in chaotic events like riots

I agree.

I think it unwise to use mounted policing in these situations, for both the Police and Horses.

I know people who have been on protest marches and demonstrations, mounted police come across, in my view, as a more intimidating presence.

The Horse panicked, unseated its rider, charged off, then headed back to its stables.
Wise indeed.

Sadly these bits and pieces of the less welcome elements of the protests, will be used by those who don't REALLY support the protests, who'd rather pay a kind of lip service to the just cause of racism.
Such as in media and politically.

Racism in the UK too not just the USA.
Which many would love swept under carpets sadly.

George Floyd's tragic and shocking demise, was a part of the trigger for, injustice and prejudice still prevalent here in the UK as well as elsewhere.

The outrage of a slave trader's statue being destroyed.
Not condemning his vile slave trading history shows a media still even not getting what these protests are really about.

The defacing of statues, while in no way would I do it, that's hardly the crime of the century.

Churchill, right, he was an inspirational leader.
As PM during the war.
He led however a National government, he worked closely with the then opposition leader and party Clement Attlee all through the war.

He wasn't a one man band.
So unquestionably great he was,in 1945, the then voters of the UK turfed him and his party out of office.
Why?
If he had done so much and was so apparently great.

Anyway, I agree, it was unwise to have mounted police there at all.
In fact that may have helped inflame things

Just my own view I'm expressing that I didn't think it appropriate to send mounted policing to that protest.

[Nicky91]

also now to justify their actions, by mentioning george floyd as drugaddict criminal also kinda not getting the point of these protests

it's more about racism in general, not just one person

it is more than about time stopping racism to get debated by politicians, i mean they like debating anyway and this is a very topical important subject to be taken care off

[Oliver_W]

also now to justify their actions, by mentioning george floyd as drugaddict criminal also kinda not getting the point of these protests

Floyd was a scumbag, but if any authority figures openly say that, their city will be a pile of ashes within a week :laugh: That, and it's up to the police to kill unarmed people. It shouldn't have happened. Unless he was actively a physical threat to someone else there's no "justification" for the way it happened.

[Crimson Dynamo]

also now to justify their actions, by mentioning george floyd as drugaddict criminal also kinda not getting the point of these protests

it's more about racism in general, not just one person

it is more than about time stopping racism to get debated by politicians, i mean they like debating anyway and this is a very topical important subject to be taken care off

Do you think they should debate drugs first, then getting rid of crime and then racism?

[Nicky91]

Do you think they should debate drugs first, then getting rid of crime and then racism?

no because racism has the bigger priority, since it has been around for like 400 years now

then crime (when handling criminal underworld you effectively also take on drugs)

also i don't think BLM is the correct movement, i would be more specific in a #SayNoToAllFormofRacism, so against any colour, religion, sexuality (latter would also take on homophobia which is also good if that is stopped)

[Oliver_W]

no because racism has the bigger priority, since it has been around for like 400 years now
Do you think crime is a recent invention?

[Crimson Dynamo]

no because racism has the bigger priority, since it has been around for like 400 years now

then crime (when handling criminal underworld you effectively also take on drugs)

also i don't think BLM is the correct movement, i would be more specific in a #SayNoToAllFormofRacism, so against any colour, religion, sexuality (latter would also take on homophobia which is also good if that is stopped)

But we are dealing with Covid and Brexit at the moment. What is the Dutch parliament up to, can they not assist in this?

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[Marsh.]

But we are dealing with Covid and Brexit at the moment. What is the Dutch parliament up to, can they not assist in this?

More than one thing is happening at once in the world. Shocker!

[Kizzy]

Excuse me ? animal abuse is from those throwing fireworks and flares,bricks and bikes at the horses, good deflection though to try and blame the police,imo NO animals should be used for human safety or entertainment,I abhor horse racing, is that animal abuse ? i dont care what side you are on but to blame the police for those horses being hurt is just madness.

Why take a horse to a riot? What reason is there...What can a horse do?
It makes no sense.

[Kazanne]

the horses are being used by the police there, right


and i don't think we live in middle ages anymore, so hardly necessary either to use horses

when you should be aware they can get startled in chaotic events like riots

IF people had protested peacefully like some wanted to,no horses would have been necessary, so its easy to blame the police , so do you blame the police for the person throwing the brick that broke the horses nose ? do you blame the police for throwing a bike at a horse or for scaring them with fireworks and flares ? The horse that bolted was spooked by a protester so you can try and twist that all you want, If I had my way NO animals would be used in anyway,but that is the way it is at the moment.Animals are used everyday for one thing and another unfortunately.

[Oliver_W]

Why take a horse to a riot? What reason is there...What can a horse do?
It makes no sense.

should the cops be on stilts? motorbikes?

[Kazanne]

should the cops be on stilts? motorbikes?

I presume they use horses as they can see more of whats going on and can still manouver ,

[user104658]

I have complicated thoughts on the statue toppling. I think it's reckless in the sense that someone's going to get themselves hurt or killed at some point, but really that's their choice :umm2:. I also think they should be gone, or as I said earlier, at least altered to reflect the true history (so be kept like museum artifacts - not idols) but then... I also think it would be much more meaningful to successfully campaign and convince those in power to have these things officially, legally removed or altered. A statue being toppled by civilians is a powerful image. An authority being successfully convinced to topple it themselves... is an even bigger statement. And I'd rather it went that way. Take them down, put them in a museum, with the full story. They're not much use to future generations at the bottom of a river, the unintended consequence could end up being that the truth is lost completely rather than set straight.

Of course though, again, I fully understand that civil unrest isn't planned or logical. It just is what it is. You can't complain when a hurricane trashes a historical building... it's just something that happens.

[Kazanne]

Why take a horse to a riot? What reason is there...What can a horse do?
It makes no sense.

A horse will elevate them and they can still move about and they can still see what is going on,What reason is there to whip a horse round a racetrack ? all of it is wrong imo, there's a lot of why's, I dont know but I do know there is never an excuse to hurt one.

[Kizzy]

should the cops be on stilts? motorbikes?

Should you stop asking irrelevant questions to derail the thread?

[user104658]

I presume they use horses as they can see more of whats going on

Traditionally yes this would be the reason but widespread availability of drones makes them obsolete for that purpose (they can have a bird's-eye view of a riot any time they want). They're mainly used because they're large and intimidating. I know you find it hard to not be partisan on these issues Kazanne but really if you're against horses being used by protesters, you have to be against horses being used by police. They have "a purpose" but they're not NECESSARY - they are being exploited and put in a dangerous situation. There's no way to wriggle out of that and avoid criticizing the police, I'm afraid.

[Liam-]

If the people in charge of deciding whether a statue goes or not weren’t in the pockets of powerful rich racists, who pay to keep the statues there, then people wouldn’t feel the need to rip them down themselves

[Liam-]

The police have used animals as weapons for way too long, they might take their dogs home at the end of the day, but they’re still seen as equipment to them, they use animals to intimidate people and no matter how much you train an animals, they’re still animals that will react in animal ways when they’re spooked, it’s cruel

[Oliver_W]

Should you stop asking irrelevant questions to derail the thread?

If you're gonna complain about them having horses there, it'd be helpful if you had an alternative suggestion :shrug:

[Nicky91]

But we are dealing with Covid and Brexit at the moment. What is the Dutch parliament up to, can they not assist in this?

ours is more like, if we can stick to the 1.5 metre distancing while protesting, wearing face masks, gloves all the time the demonstrations are allowed to go on

only Rotterdam city council had cancelled one demonstration since it exceeded the limit of the amount of people, more out of precaution cancelled still though

[Kizzy]

A horse will elevate them and they can still move about and they can still see what is going on,What reason is there to whip a horse round a racetrack ? all of it is wrong imo, there's a lot of why's, I dont know but I do know there is never an excuse to hurt one.

Why be elevated? You can see whats happening. As soon as the first item was thrown it was unsafe for horse and rider they should never have been asked to attend.

[user104658]

If you're gonna complain about them having horses there, it'd be helpful if you had an alternative suggestion :shrug:

As a radical alternative to having horses there, I propose not having horses there.

[Kazanne]

Traditionally yes this would be the reason but widespread availability of drones makes them obsolete for that purpose (they can have a bird's-eye view of a riot any time they want). They're mainly used because they're large and intimidating. I know you find it hard to not be partisan on these issues Kazanne but really if you're against horses being used by protesters, you have to be against horses being used by police. They have "a purpose" but they're not NECESSARY - they are being exploited and put in a dangerous situation. There's no way to wriggle out of that and avoid criticizing the police, I'm afraid.

I am against horses being used for anything not just this,I dont like the police using them,I never said I did, I do not however agree its the polices fault horses have been injured, it's the people who threw missiles.

[Oliver_W]

Why be elevated? You can see whats happening. As soon as the first item was thrown it was unsafe for horse and rider they should never have been asked to attend.

When you're at head-height, you can see things at around your level. When you're higher up, you have a better view, you can see further.

Try comparing how much of your street you can see from your front door and an upstairs window :)

[Kizzy]

If you're gonna complain about them having horses there, it'd be helpful if you had an alternative suggestion :shrug:

The police were there, that is all that needs to be there, with adequate equipment. There's no need for anything else.

[Kazanne]

Why be elevated? You can see whats happening. As soon as the first item was thrown it was unsafe for horse and rider they should never have been asked to attend.

No they shouldnt ,but there were as Ive said though you cant blame the police for people hurting them .

[Oliver_W]

The police were there, that is all that needs to be there, with adequate equipment. There's no need for anything else.

I agree they should have had adequate equipment, there was far too much damage and injuries for a "peaceful" protest.

[user104658]

Why be elevated? You can see whats happening.

For something "big in scale" they do need to have an overview of a wider area but like I said above, you can get a BETTER view from a £50 drone (and police drones are significantly better than that). There are plenty of technological solutions to this so really there's no reason at all to still be using animals.

[Kazanne]

Crowd control. This is arguably the biggest reason for why you can still see cops riding horses in large cities. Horses offer a significant height advantage, and move easily through thick pockets of people. As such, being on a horse affords more visibility and situational awareness to the officer riding it.

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[user104658]

No they shouldnt ,but there were as Ive said though you cant blame the police for people hurting them .

That's like crossing a motorway with your dog and trying to say it's not your fault when it gets hit by a car. Of course it is your fault. The owner of the animal is responsible for the animal's safety... the police own those horses... the police choose to take them into situations that they know are dangerous. You can certainly blame BOTH the police and the person who threw the rock/bottle/other projectile but there's no way to say you can't blame the police for endangering an animal? The responsibility always stops with the owner.

[user104658]

Crowd control. This is arguably the biggest reason for why you can still see cops riding horses in large cities. Horses offer a significant height advantage, and move easily through thick pockets of people. As such, being on a horse affords more visibility and situational awareness to the officer riding it.

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So you're OK with animals being put in dangerous situations so long as they're ... useful?

Seems like the hierarchy goes;

People in authority > animals > everyone else ...?

[Kizzy]

When you're at head-height, you can see things at around your level. When you're higher up, you have a better view, you can see further.

Try comparing how much of your street you can see from your front door and an upstairs window :)

Do protests look worse from the back.. Surely those throwing objects are at the front?
There will have been officers positioned further back too communicating via radio.

What if there was a child with a ladder...would you take a child with a ladder to a riot?

[Kazanne]

That's like crossing a motorway with your dog and trying to say it's not your fault when it gets hit by a car. Of course it is your fault. The owner of the animal is responsible for the animal's safety... the police own those horses... the police choose to take them into situations that they know are dangerous. You can certainly blame BOTH the police and the person who threw the rock/bottle/other projectile but there's no way to say you can't blame the police for endangering an animal? The responsibility always stops with the owner.

So by that token I can throw something at a horse being ridden on the street, and claim it was the fault of the rider for riding it down the street? Someone can boot my dog and claim its my fault for taking out , IF this protest had been peaceful no horses would have got hurt.

[Liam-]

So by that token I can throw something at a horse being ridden on the street, and claim it was the fault of the rider for riding it down the street? Someone can boot my dog and claim its my fault for taking out , IF this protest had been peaceful no horses would have got hurt.

No, because then you’d be attacking peaceful animals minding their own business, that would be your fault

[Kizzy]

Crowd control. This is arguably the biggest reason for why you can still see cops riding horses in large cities. Horses offer a significant height advantage, and move easily through thick pockets of people. As such, being on a horse affords more visibility and situational awareness to the officer riding it.

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How do horses move easily though thick pockets of people without injuring the people?...to me this suggests the horse is being used as a weapon.

[Kazanne]

So you're OK with animals being put in dangerous situations so long as they're ... useful?

Seems like the hierarchy goes;

People in authority > animals > everyone else ...?

Did I say that ? NO, this is from Bing on why police use horses , simple as that, it doesn't mean I agree the hierarchy for me is animals first.

[Kazanne]

How do horses move easily though thick pockets of people without injuring the people?...to me this suggests the horse is being used as a weapon.

I dont know ,ask Bing. i dont think people would just stand there and let the horses trample them surely they would move.

[Kizzy]

So by that token I can throw something at a horse being ridden on the street, and claim it was the fault of the rider for riding it down the street? Someone can boot my dog and claim its my fault for taking out , IF this protest had been peaceful no horses would have got hurt.

No.. because there is no threat to just walking in a street. How can you equate walking down a street and a riot?

[user104658]

So by that token I can throw something at a horse being ridden on the street, and claim it was the fault of the rider for riding it down the street? Someone can boot my dog and claim its my fault for taking out , IF this protest had been peaceful no horses would have got hurt.

No because the street on a normal day is not a dangerous place and you would expect the animal to be safe. When you take your dog for a walk it's (I presume) to places that you know are safe for a dog.

A motorway is not a safe place for a dog. A crowd of disgruntled people is not a safe place for a horse. I know that, YOU know that, the police know that. Are you trying to say that the police don't know that any protest can get rowdy? Are you saying they haven't been watching the news from America? Are you genuinely hand-on-heart trying to argue that the police think they're taking these animals into a safe situation when they ride them into a crowd? Honestly I just don't believe it. I don't think for a second you'd take a horse or a dog or any other animal into the middle of a crowded protest ... because you know it's not a safe place for them ... even if they don't get hurt it's clearly a distressing environment. Why are you making excuses? Animal advocacy is an admirable trait and even when I don't 100% agree with you, your absolute best posts on this site are when you're advocating for animal rights. Why are you letting your impulse to defend the authorities lessen that on this occasion?

[Cherie]

From the footage I saw apart from the horse that bolted, the remainder of those injured were police on foot?

[Kazanne]

No.. because there is no threat to just walking in a street. How can you equate walking down a street and a riot?

People have said it was the polices fault for the horses getting hurt for using the horses, so riot or not people shouldnt use them for anything.

[Kizzy]

I dont know ,ask Bing. i dont think people would just stand there and let the horses trample them surely they would move.

I don't want bings opinion, I want yours.

You think it's a persons responsibility to not get trampled?

[The Slim Reaper]

I don't want bings opinion, I want yours.

You think it's a persons responsibility to not get trampled?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/451db8adef03b637483ee3acd0f636c3/tenor.gif?itemid=13057246

[user104658]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/451db8adef03b637483ee3acd0f636c3/tenor.gif?itemid=13057246

He would just make some sarcastic joke anyway.

[user104658]

Hold on... hold on a moment. I think there's a story we've overlooked here.

... People use Bing??? :omgno:

[Kazanne]

No because the street on a normal day is not a dangerous place and you would expect the animal to be safe. When you take your dog for a walk it's (I presume) to places that you know are safe for a dog.

A motorway is not a safe place for a dog. A crowd of disgruntled people is not a safe place for a horse. I know that, YOU know that, the police know that. Are you trying to say that the police don't know that any protest can get rowdy? Are you saying they haven't been watching the news from America? Are you genuinely hand-on-heart trying to argue that the police think they're taking these animals into a safe situation when they ride them into a crowd? Honestly I just don't believe it. I don't think for a second you'd take a horse or a dog or any other animal into the middle of a crowded protest ... because you know it's not a safe place for them ... even if they don't get hurt it's clearly a distressing environment. Why are you making excuses? Animal advocacy is an admirable trait and even when I don't 100% agree with you, your absolute best posts on this site are when you're advocating for animal rights. Why are you letting your impulse to defend the authorities lessen that on this occasion?

I am not defending the police though,I am saying the people who hurt the horses are to blame, they shouldn't be there ,but they were, we cant change that,surely people ,even those who are angry know full well when they throw things at animals they will get hurt and they are the innocents in this.

[Kazanne]

Hold on... hold on a moment. I think there's a story we've overlooked here.

... People use Bing??? :omgno:

Does it matter ? really ? I was just looking up why horses are used,isnt that what the internets for ?

[The Slim Reaper]

Hold on... hold on a moment. I think there's a story we've overlooked here.

... People use Bing??? :omgno:

More of an Ask Jeeves man, myself.

[Kazanne]

I don't want bings opinion, I want yours.

You think it's a persons responsibility to not get trampled?

My opinion is, NO animal should be used in any way including for our entertainment , and most people will move away from a horse surely, they are not invisible.

[Kazanne]

More of an Ask Jeeves man, myself.

At least i am asking questions and finding out,what is so wrong about that.:shrug:

[user104658]

I am not defending the police though,I am saying the people who hurt the horses are to blame, they shouldn't be there ,but they were, we cant change that,surely people ,even those who are angry know full well when they throw things at animals they will get hurt and they are the innocents in this.

Blame isn't a finite resource though, why does it have to be that ONLY the people who threw things are to blame or ONLY the police are to blame? They share the blame. Horses shouldn't be in that situation and the police (in future) absolutely can change that, by not taking them to those situations any more.

Plenty of blame to go around.

Like... if someone shoves someone onto a road and they get hit by a car, but the driver of the car was looking at their phone and would have stopped in time if they had been paying attention, who is to blame? The person who pushed them, or the driver of the car? The "pusher" is MORE to blame but the driver isn't blameless.

[Cherie]

Does it matter ? really ? I was just looking up why horses are used,isnt that what the internets for ?

Educate ha!

[Kizzy]

I am not defending the police though,I am saying the people who hurt the horses are to blame, they shouldn't be there ,but they were, we cant change that,surely people ,even those who are angry know full well when they throw things at animals they will get hurt and they are the innocents in this.

They are innocent which is why they should never be weaponised.

Put battle of Orgreave into bing

[The Slim Reaper]

At least i am asking questions and finding out,what is so wrong about that.:shrug:

I didn't criticise you for anything, I'm more worried that bing is a gateway drug to internet explorer, and it's a long, dark road back from that place.

[user104658]

Does it matter ? really ? I was just looking up why horses are used,isnt that what the internets for ?

I just didn't think anyone actually used Bing and was shocked. Most people who aren't bothered about The Man having an eye on them use Google these days. Of course, those of us who are paranoid use DuckDuckGo.

https://i.imgur.com/EGRTK8C.jpg

Quek

[Kizzy]

My opinion is, NO animal should be used in any way including for our entertainment , and most people will move away from a horse surely, they are not invisible.

The police are not invisible are they?
So it's ok to ride a horse into the middle of a riot because people will move away... and what then? When they have moved out of the way of the horse, they carry on? Go home?

I still don't understand why a horse aids a riot.

[Marsh.]

I am against horses being used for anything not just this,I dont like the police using them,I never said I did, I do not however agree its the polices fault horses have been injured, it's the people who threw missiles.

You're against horses being used for anything, including by the police. But refuse to acknowledge the police are responsible for this incident... by bringing a horse?

I don't think even you yourself know where you stand on this issue.

[Cherie]

Not a horse in sight here, neither are the police in riot gear...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/protesters-chase-police-down-london-22154691

Protesters were seen chasing police down a London street after clashes at the Black Lives Matter demonstration left eight officers injured.

Angy scenes erupted in the capital yesterday, with images showing police bleeding on the ground - while some were seen running for safety from crowds.

In the 30-second clip showing police running from a crowds, some are heard swearing at officers while others throw missiles in their direction.

As police are followed through the street, the officers can be seen coming up against other demonstrators after turning a corner.

After a crowd descended on Whitehall, some clambered onto The Cenotaph- a memorial honouring those who lost their lives in war.

[Oliver_W]

Not a horse in sight here, neither are the police in riot gear...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/protesters-chase-police-down-london-22154691

Protesters were seen chasing police down a London street after clashes at the Black Lives Matter demonstration left eight officers injured.

Angy scenes erupted in the capital yesterday, with images showing police bleeding on the ground - while some were seen running for safety from crowds.

In the 30-second clip showing police running from a crowds, some are heard swearing at officers while others throw missiles in their direction.

As police are followed through the street, the officers can be seen coming up against other demonstrators after turning a corner.

After a crowd descended on Whitehall, some clambered onto The Cenotaph- a memorial honouring those who lost their lives in war.
Awful people.

What happened to the mobile barricades and water cannons?

[Kazanne]

Educate ha!

:joker:

[bots]

There is such a thing as the mounted police unit. It's used for things like crowd control plenty of times at football matches without issue - this should have been another simple crowd control task had the people attending had peaceful intent.

[Kazanne]

I just didn't think anyone actually used Bing and was shocked. Most people who aren't bothered about The Man having an eye on them use Google these days. Of course, those of us who are paranoid use DuckDuckGo.

https://i.imgur.com/EGRTK8C.jpg

Quek

I use Google aswell,why does it matter ? :shrug:

[Brother Leon]

Floyd was a scumbag, but if any authority figures openly say that, their city will be a pile of ashes within a week :laugh: That, and it's up to the police to kill unarmed people. It shouldn't have happened. Unless he was actively a physical threat to someone else there's no "justification" for the way it happened.

We live in a country where a White Boy from a wealthy family killed a Muslim boy and got out of prison in a few months and all is forgiven . Can we stop trying to bring up someone’s past when discussing their murder? it’s a disgrace.

[Cherie]

I use Google aswell,why does it matter ? :shrug:

you must do as everyone else says Kaz :omgno: how dare you use another search engine :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

We live in a country where a White Boy from a wealthy family killed a Muslim boy and got out of prison in a few months and all is forgiven . Can we stop trying to bring up someone’s past when discussing their murder? it’s a disgrace.

I've not heard of that, what happened? Where/when/why?

[Kazanne]

you must do as everyone else says Kaz :omgno: how dare you use another search engine :laugh:

:laugh: My knees are trembling Cherie :hehe:

[Brother Leon]

I've not heard of that, what happened? Where/when/why?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52789025

[Liam-]

I use Google aswell,why does it matter ? :shrug:

you must do as everyone else says Kaz :omgno: how dare you use another search engine :laugh:

:laugh: My knees are trembling Cherie :hehe:

Why are you trying to turn a simple joke into a perceived attack?

[Oliver_W]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52789025

Yeah the killer should have faced more consequences than he did, but it's not like it was a random hatecrime.

A boy has been cleared of murdering a 17-year-old he stabbed in the heart with a flick knife. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-48962845)

Manchester Grammar School pupil Yousef Makki was attacked in Hale Barns, Greater Manchester, on 2 March.

A 17-year-old, who was referred to as Boy A, was accused of killing Yousef in a row over an attempt to rob a drug dealer.

The boy denied murder, claiming he acted in self-defence, and was also found not guilty of manslaughter.

The teenagers had previously admitted possessing a knife and Boy A pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice by lying to police. Both defendants are due to be sentenced for those charges on 25 July.

The jury heard the stabbing was an "accident waiting to happen" as all three boys indulged in "idiotic fantasies" playing as middle-class gangsters.

Despite the privileged backgrounds of both defendants, they led "double lives", the court was told.

Calling each other "Bro" and "Fam" and the police "feds", the defendants and Yousef smoked cannabis and listened to rap and drill music, the trial heard.

They would post videos on social media, making threats and posing with "shanks" or knives.

Hours before the fatal stabbing, Boy B arranged a £45 cannabis deal and the teenagers planned to rob the drug dealer - a "soft target", the trial heard.

But the robbery went wrong and Yousef and Boy B fled, leaving Boy A to take a beating.

Boy A then later pushed Yousef who punched him in the face, the trial heard.

He told the jury Yousef pulled out a knife and he responded by also taking out a knife and his victim was accidentally stabbed.

[The Slim Reaper]

They called each other "bro" and "fam," listened to rap, and smoked cannabis.

Scary double lives they were leading.

[Cherie]

Why are you trying to turn a simple joke into a perceived attack?

an attack?....we were joking among ourselves, only you appear to be taking it seriously :omgno:

[Oliver_W]

They called each other "bro" and "fam," listened to rap, and smoked cannabis.

Scary double lives they were leading.

:laugh:

When they considered that to be showing how hard they were, is it any wonder they couldn't carry off a simply armed robbery?

[Kazanne]

Why are you trying to turn a simple joke into a perceived attack?

We're not :shrug:

[Cherie]

We're not :shrug:

Liam will pay for this, I'm judging his final songs currently...:laugh:

I got the PoWAH

[user104658]

I use Google aswell,why does it matter ? :shrug:

"Bing" actually got it's name from the sound of an empty can of Strongbow Dark Fruits bouncing off of a police horse's head... so...

[Kazanne]

Liam will pay for this, I'm judging his final songs currently...:laugh:

I got the PoWAH

:joker::joker::joker:Get him Cherie

[Denver]

Floyd was a scumbag, but if any authority figures openly say that, their city will be a pile of ashes within a week :laugh: That, and it's up to the police to kill unarmed people. It shouldn't have happened. Unless he was actively a physical threat to someone else there's no "justification" for the way it happened.

This is why people struggle to change their lives around because people just wont let them, what happened in the past is the past and people have the right to change their future for a better life.

Those who keep bringing his past as an excuse for his murder are closet racists

[user104658]

This is why people struggle to change their lives around because people just wont let them, what happened in the past is the past and people have the right to change their future for a better life.

Those who keep bringing his past as an excuse for his murder are closer racists

This is a much wider problem in the digital / social media age... people can't change their worldview without someone digging up something from years earlier, putting them side by side and branding that person a hypocrite. People should be free to change their opinion over time! How else is anything ever going to change? "Safer" for people to not bother thinking about or changing their opinions to stay consistent.

I made some ****ing ghastly posts online in my teens - I'm just damn lucky that A) I did it anonymously and B) it was "the early internets" before social media and the forums I used don't even exist any more. It's also why I don't post on social media (not anything, ever) now.

[Liam-]

Liam will pay for this, I'm judging his final songs currently...:laugh:

I got the PoWAH

:joker::joker::joker:Get him Cherie

This is clear judging favouritism and this will not stand! :oh:

[Cherie]

This is clear judging favouritism and this will not stand! :oh:

Jake to kick me off and reinstate Denver so you all get 1s :hehe:

[Denver]

Jake to kick me off and reinstate Denver so you all get 1s :hehe:

Just because me and Jake buried the hatchet doesnt mean I want to go back, that is my past I'm onto the future

[Cherie]

Just because me and Jake buried the hatchet doesnt mean I want to go back, that is my past I'm onto the future

Okay :umm2: I wasn't being serious

[arista]

[Huddersfield: Man charged after investigation
into suspected left-wing terrorism
Charges included possessing documents likely
to be useful to a person committing
or preparing an act of terrorism.]

[A 32-year-old man has been charged
with 14 terror offensives, after being arrested
in connection with suspected left-wing terrorism.
Dominic Noble, from Huddersfield, was arrested
last week and will appear at Leeds Magistrates'
Court on Monday]

https://news.sky.com/story/huddersfield-man-charged-after-investigation-into-suspected-left-wing-terrorism-12002728

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is why people struggle to change their lives around because people just wont let them, what happened in the past is the past and people have the right to change their future for a better life.

Those who keep bringing his past as an excuse for his murder are closet racists

The chap who was the statue in Bristol made his cash in the slave trade but became a great charitable philanthropist

So you must support the reerecting of the statue?

I mean he changed his life around so....

[Denver]

The chap who was the statue in Bristol made his cash in the slave trade but became a great charitable philanthropist

So you must support the reerecting of the statue?

I mean he changed his life around so....

Statues of slave owners should never become a thing especially in a country that has one of the biggest black population in a majority white country

[Oliver_W]

The chap who was the statue in Bristol made his cash in the slave trade but became a great charitable philanthropist

So you must support the reerecting of the statue?

I mean he changed his life around so....

We love a redemption story :lovedup:

[arista]

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[Liam-]

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[Oliver_W]

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Stopped clocks, and all that.

[user104658]

Stopped clocks, and all that.

Hmm. But I get the impression she's saying "We r on lockdownnn" to try to stop the protests, when she's done literally nothing for the past 3 months but argue that we shouldn't be on lockdown and everyone should be free to gather. Maybe she needs to take her own advice? :think: It can't be both, Katie. Either you are annoyed at protesters for gathering during lockdown, or you don't think we should be on lockdown and it's fine.

[The Slim Reaper]

Hmm. But I get the impression she's saying "We r on lockdownnn" to try to stop the protests, when she's done literally nothing for the past 3 months but argue that we shouldn't be on lockdown and everyone should be free to gather. Maybe she needs to take her own advice? :think: It can't be both, Katie. Either you are annoyed at protesters for gathering during lockdown, or you don't think we should be on lockdown and it's fine.

Not only that, but I saw one of these last week where she was calling covid a hoax.

[Oliver_W]

Hmm. But I get the impression she's saying "We r on lockdownnn" to try to stop the protests, when she's done literally nothing for the past 3 months but argue that we shouldn't be on lockdown and everyone should be free to gather. Maybe she needs to take her own advice? :think: It can't be both, Katie. Either you are annoyed at protesters for gathering during lockdown, or you don't think we should be on lockdown and it's fine.

Not only that, but I saw one of these last week where she was calling covid a hoax.

I'm completely removing Hopkins herself from the context and only looking at the words :laugh: one can't reconcile the huge protests with a lockdown, or what happened in some places to a peaceful protest.

[Marsh.]

Hopkins is a moron. She doesn't stand for anything, she's just a big blob of contrary words designed to have the opposite stance on ANYTHING that is currently happening in some rather sad attempt to be relevant.

[Oliver_W]

Hopkins is a moron. She doesn't stand for anything, she's just a big blob of contrary words designed to have the opposite stance on ANYTHING that is currently happening in some rather sad attempt to be relevant.

okay? :shrug:

[Liam-]

Such a great thread

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[user104658]

Not only that, but I saw one of these last week where she was calling covid a hoax.

Broadly speaking, she just parrots whatever Trump's latest thoughts on the issue are. I'm still convinced she's PickMe-ing for a job in the Trumposphere but I don't think she's noticed that he'll never notice her beyond a passing glance, because on top of everything else, he's sexist. But that's "live by the sword" etc. for Katie I guess :hehe:

[The Slim Reaper]

Broadly speaking, she just parrots whatever Trump's latest thoughts on the issue are. I'm still convinced she's PickMe-ing for a job in the Trumposphere but I don't think she's noticed that he'll never notice her beyond a passing glance, because on top of everything else, he's sexist. But that's "live by the sword" etc. for Katie I guess :hehe:

I agree. They call it grifting. That's why she also claims to be a christian conservative these days too, because that's what the US right wants, especially with a dose of a southern English accent. She's not really enough of a firebrand to stand out over there, I mean they have white power hour every night with tucker carlson on fox, so a pathetic troll is not really cutting it.

[Marsh.]

okay? :shrug:

What? Why are you responding to me if you have nothing to say? :shrug:

[Oliver_W]

What? Why are you responding to me if you have nothing to say? :shrug:

To make your Tapatalk ping for no reason :devil:

[user104658]

What? Why are you responding to me if you have nothing to say? :shrug:

Why :shrug: when you could

https://i.imgur.com/uOqosRh.gif

:shrug:

[Marsh.]

To make your Tapatalk ping for no reason :devil:

I don't have Tapatalk. :hmph:

[Marsh.]

Why :shrug: when you could

https://i.imgur.com/uOqosRh.gif

:shrug:

:joker:

[user104658]

To make your Tapatalk ping for no reason :devil:

Oliver making Marsh's tapatalk ping is one of the main reasons I still log onto TiBB every day tbh.

[Oliver_W]

Oliver making Marsh's tapatalk ping is one of the main reasons I still log onto TiBB every day tbh.

:smug:

[arista]

Not only that, but I saw one of these last week where she was calling covid a hoax.


Out of Date
She is updated now

[The Slim Reaper]

Out of Date
She is updated now

Apologies to her then after finally realising it wasn't a hoax sometime around June 2nd, 2020 :joker:

[Zizu]

The WPC whose horse bolted, has a punctured lung and has undergone surgery and 26 other officers were injured over the weekend



That’s all so sad ...


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[Zizu]

then they just don't need to use horses in these sort of things





another disgusting thing from the police :idc: that animal abuse



You seem to be seeing things from a completely different perspective...


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[arista]

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CNN HD say the Shooter in the Car
is a member of KKK.

[Cherie]

CNN HD say the Shooter in the Car
is a member of KKK.

Grim

[The Slim Reaper]

CNN HD say the Shooter in the Car
is a member of KKK.

Can't be right, we were reliably informed on this very forum that they're irrelevant these days.

[Liam-]

CNN HD say the Shooter in the Car
is a member of KKK.

Well I am shocked

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hopkins is a moron. She doesn't stand for anything, she's just a big blob of contrary words designed to have the opposite stance on ANYTHING that is currently happening in some rather sad attempt to be relevant.

I swear if you and her went on first dates hotel yoos would hit it off

:love::flutter:

I can just see you and her drinking a cool prosecco made by Merlin

Katy: :Hi my name is Katy"

Marsh: "No it isn't" :oh:

Katy: ":Yes it is" :oh:

[GiRTh]

Can't be right, we were reliably informed on this very forum that they're irrelevant these days.Who said that and how would they know? :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who said that and how would they know? :think:

It's CNN, every white male is.KKK in their book

[GiRTh]

Not the question I asked but interesting response never the less :umm2:

[The Slim Reaper]

Who said that and how would they know? :think:

Go back to page 90 and maybe a few pages before/after on this very thread. You'll be shocked when you find out who said it. :smug:

Edit: Page 89 is the best place to start.

[Brother Leon]

Can't be right, we were reliably informed on this very forum that they're irrelevant these days.
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[GiRTh]

Go back to page 90 and maybe a few pages before/after on this very thread. You'll be shocked when you find out who said it. :smug:Do you mean around post 2227, 2229 -ish? I see it now. Those two would probably know or have a friend of a friend who assure them the KKK is dead.

EDIT Post 2215-ish too?

[The Slim Reaper]

Do you mean around post 2227, 2229 -ish? I see it now. Those two would probably know or have a friend of a friend who assure them the KKK is dead.

Nicky first mentions them in 2212 I think to say they support trump.

[GiRTh]

Nicky first mentions them in 2212 I think to say they support trump.The poster - who ever that may be - acts like the KKK used to advertise in Womens weekly. They're hardly likely to go around shouting about their existence but I suppose if that posters sources are sound then they must be right :shrug:

[arista]

It's CNN, every white male is.KKK in their book


CNN checked him.

Sure they mistakes.

[The Slim Reaper]

The poster - who ever that may be - acts like the KKK advertise in Womens weekly. They're hardly likely to shout about their existence but I suppose if that poster sources are sound then they must be right :shrug:


Quite a lot in the thread. Page 43 is more downplaying.

[arista]

The Killer Ex-Cop
was found Guilty of Murder in Court
today.

He was on a Monitor.

[GiRTh]

Quite a lot in the thread. Page 43 is more downplaying.You're right. The question of what have the KKK done recently is a beauty. Is that poster - who ever it may be - aware that the KKK is a renowned secret organisation? So we're seldom likely to hear from them unless someone has a particularly strong interest

[The Slim Reaper]

Daryl befriended and deconverted a lot of KKK members in his time. A really good listen/watch if anyones interested.

oGTQ0Wj6yIg

[Oliver_W]

The Killer Ex-Cop
was found Guilty of Murder in Court
today.

He was on a Monitor.

Thank goodness for that :cheer2:

[Liam-]

He wasn’t found guilty, he made his first appearance in court and his bail was set

[Oliver_W]

Is there any proof the car dude was KKK? Maybe he shouldn't have shot the guy, but he was swarmed by rioters and the guy reached into his window, so it's not cut and dry.

[GiRTh]

Is there any proof the car dude was KKK? Maybe he shouldn't have shot the guy, but he was swarmed by rioters and the guy reached into his window, so it's not cut and dry.:joker::joker:

So if he's swarmed by rioters how does shooting one of them help him get away?

[Oliver_W]

:joker::joker:

So if he's swarmed by rioters how does shooting one of them help him get away?

It kind of did, until he walked right up to the police and handed himself in :shrug: and it clearly wasn't a kill-shot, so it looks more like he wanted the assailant to get away from the car.

[GiRTh]

It kind of did, until he walked right up to the police and handed himself in :shrug: and it clearly wasn't a kill-shot, so it looks more like he wanted the assailant to get away from the car.
He tried to run them over too though. Shoots one, drives his car into them but if they surrounded him and reach into his car then its not cut and dry. Trust me, its cut and dried that geezers going to jail.

[Liam-]

Yeah, a self admitted KKK leader drove into a crowd of protesters with a gun, totally not intending to shoot anybody

[Liam-]

Wait, I must be talking about someone else, cause the one I’ve just seen didn’t mention a gun

[Liam-]

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[Brother Leon]

BBC1 right now. A drama on The Windrush Scandal. Perfect timing.

[GiRTh]

BBC1 right now. A drama on The Windrush Scandal. Perfect timing.:joker::joker:

[Zizu]

BBC1 right now. A drama on The Windrush Scandal. Perfect timing.



They should have shelved it for a while


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[Brother Leon]

They should have shelved it for a while


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No shame reinforcing how racist and corrupt our country’s government can and will be in my opinion :shrug:

[GiRTh]

They should have shelved it for a while


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProWhy? Nows the perfect time IMO.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They should have shelved it for a while


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No one is watching they are all watching the Oz crime thing about the backpackers

[The Slim Reaper]

Nice white power flanders you have there LT.

[GiRTh]

No one is watching they are all watching the Oz crime thing about the backpackersDo you have access to the viewing figures :shrug:

Wishful thinking?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you have access to the viewing figures :shrug:

Wishful thinking?

Bookmark me. The GBP like a crime docu not another hand wringer

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nice white power flanders you have there LT.

Ned only has 4 fingers so nice try, no cigar

[The Slim Reaper]

Ned only has 4 fingers so nice try, no cigar

And yet you knew instantly. Cool.

[Oliver_W]

Nice white power flanders you have there LT.

What? He's doing the okay thing :laugh:

[The Slim Reaper]

What? He's doing the okay thing :laugh:

Sure. A coincidence. LT has already explained it. :smug:

[Liam-]

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[GiRTh]

Bookmark me. The GBP like a crime docu not another hand wringer:conf:

OK if you say so mate. :conf: I dont know why it matters so much to you that people dont watch the Windrush drama - perhaps you might want to enlighten us :think: - but as always fascinating reply from you LT :thumbs:

[Oliver_W]

Sure. A coincidence. LT has already explained it. :smug:

To be fair just saying "four fingers" doesn't really explain anything :laugh: Is it a silly internet thing?

[Crimson Dynamo]

And yet you knew instantly. Cool.

Glen pmd me yesterday about it

Again, no cigar

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[GiRTh]

Ned only has 4 fingers so nice try, no cigarInteresting that you know :think:

[GiRTh]

Glen pmd me yesterday about it

Again, no cigar

:Glenns fault. :thumbs:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Interesting that you know :think:

See above

[Crimson Dynamo]

Keep reaching

:thumbs:

[Brother Leon]

No one is watching they are all watching the Oz crime thing about the backpackers

#1 UK Trend on Twitter, but sure... no one is watching.

[GiRTh]

Keep reaching

:thumbs::conf:
I'm not the one who immediately pops up with no one will be a watching a drama on the Windrush scandal, so not that much reaching really. You still don’t answer the question cuz you have to admit it was an odd response to the post. Why did you want to assure us that no one would be watching? Why would it even matter to you? People could watch one and record the other. Like I'm doing. :thumbs:

[Zizu]

No one is watching they are all watching the Oz crime thing about the backpackers



Wolf Creek series ?


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Wolf Creek series ?


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The Falconi backpack murder

[Zizu]

Have a listen to this very intelligent, articulate young lady when you have 15 minutes to spare .. very , very interesting!!


https://www.facebook.com/realCandaceOwens/videos/273957870461345/


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[GiRTh]

Have a listen to this very intelligent, articulate young lady when you have 15 minutes to spare .. very , very interesting!!


https://www.facebook.com/realCandaceOwens/videos/273957870461345/


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProI see Candace Owens in the link and I burst out laughing. :laugh2:

[GiRTh]

ihZxoDQZwWEA very brief history of the adorable Ms Owens

[Zizu]

I see Candace Owens in the link and I burst out laughing. :laugh2:



You should at least listen to the first few minutes .. you may be pleasantly surprised


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[Zizu]

ihZxoDQZwWEA very brief history of the adorable Ms Owens



She’s hardly alone in opposing Donald Trump ( or wrong for that matter) ..


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[caprimint]

I posted about Candace Owens the other day

She's great

[GiRTh]

I posted about Candace Owens the other day

She's greatShe's certainly something :thumbs:

[GiRTh]

One thing about Candace Owens that I always found fascinating

She accused someone of racism, won and was awarded damages, yet now she claims Obama bought racism to the USA. Obviously, her accusation, trial and award were well before anyone had even heard of then Senator Obama

I dunno but, it seems like when it suits her - makes her money - to call people racist, that’s what she does and when it suits her to deny racism exists, thats what she does. Shes a tad too much of a contradiction for me but if you love her then that’s fine too :thumbs:

[Liam-]

Candace is an actress that’s finally found her most rewarding role, a professional token for a government that most definitely doesn’t respect her, I hear being a right-wing mouthpiece earns you bank

[bots]

The problem with Candace, Hopkins and many others is that they are giving their opinions (which they are entitled to do) but presenting them as facts.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/9BBE/production/_112807893_theguardian.jpg

[Beso]

What in earth was Anthony Joshua waffling about.

[Beso]

[Huddersfield: Man charged after investigation
into suspected left-wing terrorism
Charges included possessing documents likely
to be useful to a person committing
or preparing an act of terrorism.]

[A 32-year-old man has been charged
with 14 terror offensives, after being arrested
in connection with suspected left-wing terrorism.
Dominic Noble, from Huddersfield, was arrested
last week and will appear at Leeds Magistrates'
Court on Monday]

https://news.sky.com/story/huddersfield-man-charged-after-investigation-into-suspected-left-wing-terrorism-12002728

This needs a thread of it's own.

[Beso]

I wonder how many of the teachers I saw being interviewed at these protests over the weekend were in class yesterday morning teaching our kids

[thesheriff443]

What in earth was Anthony Joshua waffling about.

Didn’t see it, but it will be for pr, purposes.

He wants a global brand.

[Oliver_W]

What in earth was Anthony Joshua waffling about.

Eh, I like his original comments. I'm a fan of "voting with wallet" and I also prefer to support smaller businesses than big ones, so if he wants to encourage people to spend their money in black-owned businesses, I say amplify that.

[Beso]

Eh, I like his original comments. I'm a fan of "voting with wallet" and I also prefer to support smaller businesses than big ones, so if he wants to encourage people to spend their money in black-owned businesses, I say amplify that.

Fair enough but I think someone who was into gangs and drugs as a teenager and was given another chance by the system, and all the help needed from the system to make him represent Great Britain at the commonwealth games before being backed to be a representative for GB and his OBE..well I just think he was the wrong person to be giving the speech.

[Nicky91]

https://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/a32804306/bts-black-lives-matter-donation/

south korean internationally famous Boyband BTS have donated 1 million to BlackLivesMatter

[Oliver_W]

Fair enough but I think someone who was into gangs and drugs as a teenager and was given another chance by the system, and all the help needed from the system to make him represent Great Britain at the commonwealth games before being backed to be a representative for GB and his OBE..well I just think he was the wrong person to be giving the speech.

Listen to the words, not the person :shrug:

Why does that make him the wrong person? He's not squandered the second chance as far as I know, from what you said he's running with it! I think anyone who manages to get out of a shi++y life of gangs and drugs and achieve what he has is the right person to listen to.

[Beso]

Listen to the words, not the person :shrug:

Why does that make him the wrong person? He's not squandered the second chance as far as I know, from what you said he's running with it! I think anyone who manages to get out of a shi++y life of gangs and drugs and achieve what he has is the right person to listen to.



That should have been the msg he put across then

He should have been saying look at me, look at what I've achieved..he should have been saying you can achieve this as well with hard work and the correct frame of mind.à...but he didn't.

[Nicky91]

That should have been the msg he put across then

He should have been saying look at me, look at what I've achieved..he should have been saying you can achieve this as well with hard work and the correct frame of mind.à...but he didn't.

yes i understand your point, you mean him being a role model figure for many

[Liam-]

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[Niamh.]

Didn’t see it, but it will be for pr, purposes.

He wants a global brand.

Nothing to do with him being a black man who might actually care, no?

[GiRTh]

1270333484528214018:bored:

[Liam-]

Just when you think you can’t be shocked by anything he says anymore

[The Slim Reaper]

Nothing to do with him being a black man who might actually care, no?

One of the top athletes in the world needs blm for global branding reasons.

I look forward to Leo Messi hopping on the world wildlife fund next.

[thesheriff443]

Nothing to do with him being a black man who might actually care, no?

In my opinion yes, he did a promotion that was going out in nigiria in which every word he spoke was about him being a Nigerian but in this country he is happy to call himself British.

Put some of his millions back into depriving areas .

[AnnieK]

1270333484528214018:bored:

Fake blood to I bet...

Ludicrous.