EastEnders - Series 2. Sept 7.

[Rob!]

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She’s coming!

[Daniel.]

Series 2?

[Rob!]

Series 2?

The fans understand :idc:

[Rob!]

They’re calling it series 2 cause it’s been off air for the first time in its 35 year history :laugh:

[reece(:]

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[Firewire]

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Legends

[Cal.]

I’m perched and ready for my Stacey Slater fix!

[Cal.]

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Best two characters in the show’s history!

[Denver]

Not really here for a Honey and Jay affair tbh

[Jigs]

Series 2?

Typical Hollyoaks fan :bored:

[Marsh.]

Here for "Who Pushed Ian?" :clap1:

[Kate!]

Stacey :love:

[Vanessa]

The teaser trailers are brilliant!
I really think there's going to be done kind of whodunnit with Ian.
Someone will try to kill him and he ends up in hospital in a coma?

[Vanessa]

We're getting a trailer tonight! Omg :cheer2:

[Liam-]

Ben and Callum die in the first 10 minutes with a Janine and Zainab surprise return at the end :fc::fc:

[Ammi]

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...:lovedup:...

[Vanessa]

After watching the trailer I really fear for Chantelle :shocked:

[Gstar]

I’m so perched

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[Marsh.]

Chantelle will be killed by her abusive husband in upcoming scenes.

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EastEnders' domestic abuse storyline involving Chantelle Atkins and her abusive husband Gray will have a tragic ending.

Viewers will know that Chantelle (Jessica Plummer) has suffered years of both physical and mental abuse at the hand of her violent and controlling husband, and that she will soon make the decision to leave him.

However, Gray (Toby-Alexander Smith) has been tracking her phone and has his suspicions that she is planning to leave confirmed when he spots a pop-up advert for divorce lawyers on his computer.

The tragic ending to Chantelle's story has been planned from the beginning, with the aim of showing viewers the awful reality of domestic abuse.

The soap has worked very closely with two charities, Women's Aid and Refuge, on the storyline, consulting closely with them on scripts. Recent Women's Aid research reports that two-thirds of survivors stated their domestic abuse had escalated during lockdown, and three quarters of women living with an abuser said they felt they could not leave or get away.

Refuge reported a 54% rise in women contacting its helpline in need of emergency accommodation in the first week of July, when compared with the last week in June.

Plummer's final scenes as Chantelle will air later this month.

Jon Sen, EastEnders' executive producer, said: "Being able to shed light on the realities of what goes on behind closed doors has never been more crucial given the harrowing statistics as a result of the current pandemic, and hopefully Chantelle's story will encourage people to speak out to someone they trust and get the support that they need.

"Jessica's performance is nothing short of extraordinary and even in her final scenes, the audience will be moved by Chantelle's strength. We're very sorry so see Jessica go but hope that her impact on viewers is long-lasting."

Plummer said she hopes that as a result of the storyline more people suffering from domestic abuse will get help.

"It's been such a privilege to play Chantelle and to be able to tell her story," the actress said. "Sadly what she goes through is all too common and her death is a reminder of the devastating effect of domestic abuse.

"I've known it wasn't going to end well for Chantelle for a while now and although it was a shock to find out her fate, far too many men and women suffer in silence so I hope that by raising awareness we can ultimately save lives. I am so grateful to all the team and my lovely cast members for being so supportive, I’ll miss Albert Square."

"We hope that Chantelle's story gives people the courage to speak out before it's too late and to know that there are services out there to help," added Toby Alexander-Smith, who plays Gray.

"Working with Women's Aid and Refuge has been invaluable in understanding the mindset of an abuser and the awful realities of abusive relationships. With such a tragic ending bound to be shocking for the audience, hopefully it serves as an important reminder of the devastation domestic abuse causes, especially at the moment.

"Working with Jessica has been wonderful, she'll be greatly missed and I am so thankful that we're part of such an important story together."

"It has been a pleasure to work so closely with the team at EastEnders during the development of this storyline, and they have really listened to the real life experiences of survivors of domestic abuse to ensure that the scripts have been as realistic as possible," said Teresa Parker, head of communications at Women's Aid.

"At the beginning of the storyline, we visited the studios with a survivor of abuse who spoke to Jessica, which was very emotional and had a huge impact on how she has played the character of Chantelle.

"At Women's Aid we know only too well how horrific Covid-19 has been for those living with abusive partners, and this will be reflected over the coming weeks as Chantelle's story comes to an end – tragically her death reflects the reality of many women living with abusers, and many more women than usual were killed at the hands of their current or former partners during the first weeks of lockdown.

"I know that this storyline will help to save lives by raising huge awareness of domestic abuse, signposting to the support that is available and starting an important conversation about domestic abuse in the UK and beyond."

Lisa King, director of communications and external relations at Refuge, also thanked EastEnders for their close collaboration "over many months on this important storyline".

She continued: "The Covid-19 crisis has magnified the reality that many survivors like Chantelle face every day. Domestic abuse is the biggest issue affecting our society and millions of women and girls remain trapped with an abusive partner. Sadly, Chantelle's murder is not an isolated incident – on average, two women a week are killed by a current or former partner in England and Wales.

"We urge anyone who has been affected by Chantelle’s story to contact Refuge's National Domestic Abuse Helpline (0808 2000 247, www.nationaldahelpline.org.uk). No-one should live in fear – you are not alone."

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[Denver]

Its the right decision, because in reality not all victims survive domestic abuse and its a story that needs to be told just to show the victims they need to get away ti be safe and hopefully it will help a lot of people

[Marsh.]

I think it could potentially be quite irresponsible because it's been such a horribly written storyline.

[Liam-]

It’s a shame, she’s been a great addition to the show

[Marsh.]

Simon Ashdown has written the episode broadcasting on the 18th September so she must die in that one.

[Gstar]

Wow. Would of been nice to see her character blossom more but at least this will raise awareness to real life issues

[Daniel-X]

I think it could potentially be quite irresponsible because it's been such a horribly written storyline.

This, and I have a feeling it will all be a bit sensationalist/tasteless. I wouldn’t put it past them doing a cover up or framing story tbh.

[Ammi]

...it starts tonight, then...?..the actors who play Chantelle and Gray were ‘looking back at’ with Stacey Dooley a few days ago...and it’s so easy to see the impact of playing a storyline such as domestic abuse would have on someone...they appeared quite shaken, watching on the screen even though they’d played it...have we ever had a domestic abuse storyline on EE before when the victim was killed by the abuser..?...I’m not sure that we have...

[Amy Jade]

I think the only other domestic abuse storyline that was fatal was Trevor and Little Mo and the abused killed the abuser in that storyline.

[Ammi]

I think the only other domestic abuse storyline that was fatal was Trevor and Little Mo and the abused killed the abuser in that storyline.

...wasn’t there once an abuse storyline with Denise as well, Amy...?...

[Vanessa]

It's back tonight. I'm so excited! :dance::cheer2:

[Vanessa]

Get your food/drinks ready everyone. You don't want to miss tonight EastEnders:cheer2:

[Marsh.]

I think the only other domestic abuse storyline that was fatal was Trevor and Little Mo and the abused killed the abuser in that storyline.

She didn't. He survived the iron incident.

He later tried to kill them both in a botched murder/suicide by setting fire to the Slater house but Little Mo was saved and he died. Alongside Sharon's boyfriend who saved Little Mo's life.

[Marsh.]

...wasn’t there once an abuse storyline with Denise as well, Amy...?...

There was my dear Ammi. :D

Owen who tried to kill his daughter Libby after Denise escaped his abuse. He was killed by her second husband Lucas, who was a serial killer. :joker:

[Denver]

Its was much better then what we last saw that was fir sure

[Ammi]

There was my dear Ammi. :D

Owen who tried to kill his daughter Libby after Denise escaped his abuse. He was killed by her second husband Lucas, who was a serial killer. :joker:

...:love:...poor Denise..:sad:...at least she finally found happiness with Kevin ...oh....

[Ammi]

...I love Linda.../...never frumpy Linda...:lovedup:....

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[Ammi]

...I didn’t realise that the Chantelle/Gray storyline would hit so straight away...that was so terrifying to watch last night../so upsetting...I mean, really so well done to both actors, must be one of the most difficult storylines to be involved in ...

[arista]

10mins cut off
so only 20mins per episode.

[Ammi]

...I thought it was me when I was going crazy at 8pm, thinking ...why has EE not started yet, what’s happening...:laugh:...it’s been so long since we had it that I have to sit by my TV, excitedly waiting for it...


...is it Marsh’s fault../..the 20 minute thing...?...

[Marsh.]

:smug:

Bit annoyed they're dragging this Ian thing out. But at least we know he disappears soon. :fc:

[Ammi]

:smug:

Bit annoyed they're dragging this Ian thing out. But at least we know he disappears soon. :fc:

..oh we know that, do we..?..meet the person who didn’t know that...hey, how u doin’...


...he’s being written it, then..?...

[Marsh.]

..oh we know that, do we..?..meet the person who didn’t know that...hey, how u doin’...


...he’s being written it, then..?...

:laugh:

Apparently the actor is going on a 10 week break soon so I'm sensing a "Who Put Ian in a Coma?" type storyline as he makes enemies of everyone.

[Jake.]

Eastenders definitely feels a bit ‘darker’, idk if that’s just me though

I also think the way they’ve approached filming with covid regulations etc. is pretty well done

[Jake.]

I think I’ve enjoyed the last couple of episodes because of the smaller cast, EE feels better when it’s stripped back

[Marsh.]

The second episode felt more like a normal episode. The first one was quite weird.

[Vanessa]

Im enjoying the show being back. And I love PC Callum already :love:

[Amy Jade]

Ben and Callum's storyline is the weakest aspect of the shows return.

[Ammi]

:laugh:

Apparently the actor is going on a 10 week break soon so I'm sensing a "Who Put Ian in a Coma?" type storyline as he makes enemies of everyone.

...now that his love has been rejected....do you think he might go for a 10 week Buddhist break in the Himalayas or something...?...

[Rob!]

Ben and Callum's storyline is the weakest aspect of the shows return.

Try saying that on Twitter. I dare you. The Ballum fans will eat you alive. :facepalm:

[Amy Jade]

Try saying that on Twitter. I dare you. The Ballum fans will eat you alive. :facepalm:

The weird middle aged women who are seemingly obsessed with them can go rot

[Vanessa]

Really enjoyed last night show.
The Panesars are great, they're giving me Mitchells vibe.

[Jigs]

Ben and Callum's storyline is the weakest aspect of the shows return.

Yeah I agree, I would have been much more interested to see how Jean Slater or Whitney are doing since they haven't even been featured yet.

Gray/Chantelle storyline sends shivers down my spine. I find myself constantly willing Kheerat Panesar to get involved but we know the storyline ends badly so it's maddening that he doesn't manage to get to her in time!

[Ammi]

...:sad:...

[Vanessa]

I'm really enjoying the show. Can't wait to see what happens next.

[Ammi]

...this is getting so upsetting because we know the conclusion to that storyline with Chantelle/Gray...it’s almost unbearable to watch..and she’s so close to actually finding happiness with someone else as well...ughhhh and the children, it’s just all too heartbreaking...:sad:...

[Jigs]

The Gray/Chantelle scenes are getting SO dark and the way that they're aided by different cinematic techniques are putting me way more on edge. It is very clear that throughout lockdown Gray has completely SNAPPED and this whole obsessive abusive husband thing is really reaching its climax.


Since Channy is in that Southend cafe at the end of last nights episode, I wonder if Gray will do something to her whilst they're on their staycation? If not, you can guarantee on Friday's episode that Mitch and Karen will be babysitting Mack/Mia whilst Chantelle goes back to the house with Gray for one final time </3

[Marsh.]

Max Branning is being written out at Christmas.

[Ammi]

The Gray/Chantelle scenes are getting SO dark and the way that they're aided by different cinematic techniques are putting me way more on edge. It is very clear that throughout lockdown Gray has completely SNAPPED and this whole obsessive abusive husband thing is really reaching its climax.


Since Channy is in that Southend cafe at the end of last nights episode, I wonder if Gray will do something to her whilst they're on their staycation? If not, you can guarantee on Friday's episode that Mitch and Karen will be babysitting Mack/Mia whilst Chantelle goes back to the house with Gray for one final time </3


...when he had the children up at the bedroom windows, it felt like something out of a horror movie...it’s becoming so unbearable to watch...and uggggghhhh, she has such a chance to have happiness with someone, finally...

[Ammi]

Max Branning is being written out at Christmas.

...is he the most written out character ever who’s like a Branning boomerang...

[Marsh.]

...is he the most written out character ever who’s like a Branning boomerang...

:joker:

Probably. But apparently permanent this time.

[Denver]

Max Branning is being written out at Christmas.

Also been some rumours that Tina dies and Jay is leaving

[Denver]

Also is looks like Jake was axed instead of being his decision

[Denver]

They have gone all out with the change of filming style

[Denver]

Fantastic episode

[Liam-]

Jesus, that was rough

[Jigs]

Great episode. Gray is so cold.

[reece(:]

Horrible way to see Chantelle go.

[AnnieK]

Chilling.....but good to see Chantelle stand her ground before the end....she will be missed :sad:

[Marsh.]

Well, I wasn't expecting her to go out like that. :o

I expected a cut away as he beat her and us largely having to use our imaginations. Really quite brutal.

Just hope they don't spoil it by dragging out the aftermath to the point that he starts beating Whitney or threatening Karen.

[Rob!]

Well, I wasn't expecting her to go out like that. :o

I expected a cut away as he beat her and us largely having to use our imaginations. Really quite brutal.

Just hope they don't spoil it by dragging out the aftermath to the point that he starts beating Whitney or threatening Karen.

Oh you just know they can't resist the opportunity to throw misery at Whitney at every given opportunity. They ain't going to miss the chance for her to get with another abuser.

[Kate!]

Chilling.....but good to see Chantelle stand her ground before the end....she will be missed :sad:

She was an amazing character. Loved her. One of the shows most tragic exits. Xx

[Ammi]

...it was so gruelling to watch and even though we knew her fate, I was still willing her to succeed in getting the children and getting away from him...which I think is a tribute to how well it was done...it was just all so harrowing and must have felt so for all actors involved...and ughhhhh, the sadness in her dad feeling that something wasn’t right from the last time he saw her and trying to contact her..../...heartbreaking....this was the way she would have peace from him... so so, sad...and now he has the children../...they’re left with him...I can’t even think about that...:sad:..I’m so fearful for them...

...I don’t know what the actor is called who plays Gray...but I wonder how playing such a character in a soap particularly when people are more typecast...impacts on any future roles or no ...whether it would make it more difficult to get roles beyond Eastenders because he’s become such a ‘hated/detestable’.../..interesting...


...anyways, Eastenders at its best...and at it’s worst and most sad and harrowing...

[AnnieK]

Well, I wasn't expecting her to go out like that. :o

I expected a cut away as he beat her and us largely having to use our imaginations. Really quite brutal.

Just hope they don't spoil it by dragging out the aftermath to the point that he starts beating Whitney or threatening Karen.

I thought they would have him drown her in the bath after the scene last week

[Denver]

I expected the Dishwasher to play apart of it after the early scenes but thought she would smack head off it

[Amy Jade]

I wont lie I cried watching it, both actors were outstanding and Jessica deserves awards.

Brave storyline.

[Cal.]

Jessica really stepped up by the end and proved herself to be an amazing actress. That last monologue she gave before her death was so powerful. My heart broke for her :love:

One of the best EastEnders episodes I’ve ever seen.

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...I don’t know what the actor is called who plays Gray...but I wonder how playing such a character in a soap particularly when people are more typecast...impacts on any future roles or no ...whether it would make it more difficult to get roles beyond Eastenders because he’s become such a ‘hated/detestable’.../..interesting...


I think it generally does, especially when it's a new actor, it can be hard for them to avoid being associated with that role forever. It's why a few things have made the very conscious choice of using very established and recognisable actors to play these difficult roles e.g. Patrick Swayze in Donnie Darko, or Bill Pullman as the paedophile/child killer in Torchwood: Miracle Day. Actors like that are at no risk of being mistaken as being "like their character" or typecast because of it, but "new faces" in soaps definitely can be.

On the flipside of that of course, using well known actors can lessen the impact of the role because its much harder to get emotionally involved in a storyline with a detestable/abusive character if you have a tonne of memories of the actor being a "good guy" in other roles... It takes a very good actor to make you hate or fear their character if they're an established and likeable actor.

[Ammi]

...:sad:...ughh, it really happened, it wasn’t a dream...so sad and so wrong...

[Denver]

So Stacey is the thief which means her exit storyline is going back to prison

[Amy Jade]

bye

I like stacey but stealing off ruby was shady ****

[Jigs]

Stacey stealing the show :love:

[Marsh.]

Stacey scenes were soapy fun.

The aftermath of Chantelle's death. :umm2: This show is just terrible. Why do they ALWAYS skip over actual material? We get ****ing months of endless repetitive mundane drivel with underwater sound effects and then when we reach big moments in storylines they time skip and completely ignore most of what makes the aftermath interesting.

This show is piss poor.

[reece(:]

Stacey going camp :love:

[Ammi]

Stacey scenes were soapy fun.

The aftermath of Chantelle's death. :umm2: This show is just terrible. Why do they ALWAYS skip over actual material? We get ****ing months of endless repetitive mundane drivel with underwater sound effects and then when we reach big moments in storylines they time skip and completely ignore most of what makes the aftermath interesting.

This show is piss poor.

...yeah, I agree with all of this...I don’t think that it’s really poor because I still dip in to watch it but...

...Chantelle’s death and the lead up to it were well done, I thought...Friday’s episode last week, was mesmerising and harrowing...but last night in the aftermath, it felt really rushed and what the heck, type thing...she deserved and deserves more in the victim that she was...?...we saw EE at its best in her last scenes and now it’s appearing that we’re seeing it more at its bungled and rushed worst...:sad:..

...I love Ruby, she’s a gorgeous gal in every way...:love:...but Stacey taking her money was a magical moment.../...utter bliss as Arista would say...Good old soap ‘fun’...because rather than the angst, she’s just off on a spending spree like a footballer’s wife../type thing...revenge is best served on a credit card...

[Denver]

Bad Girls star Simone Lahbib (Helen Stewart) has signed up as the mystery character linked to the Carters, she stared with 3 of the Carter family in Bad Girls

[Jake.]

Caught up today and Chantelle’s final episode was absolutely harrowing. At first I didn’t realise she’d landed on a knife and thought she’d just been pierced by the dishwasher plastic holder lol.

[Marsh.]

Bad Girls star Simone Lahbib (Helen Stewart) has signed up as the mystery character linked to the Carters, she stared with 3 of the Carter family in Bad Girls

Technically only 2. She was never in the show at the same time as Kellie Bright. :hee:

[Marsh.]

Caught up today and Chantelle’s final episode was absolutely harrowing. At first I didn’t realise she’d landed on a knife and thought she’d just been pierced by the dishwasher plastic holder lol.

:skull:

[Denver]

So it's seems like Denise's big storyline is a fight for the custody of her son

[Denver]

Jags is leaving next month

[Vanessa]

So it's seems like Denise's big storyline is a fight for the custody of her son

Phil Mitchell is the father :shocked:

[Amy Jade]

Jags is leaving next month

I hope Suki kills him to shut him up, we need a good evil bitch in Eastenders

[Denver]

Kush is also leaving

[Denver]

Sounds like he was axed

[Denver]

Its seems like they are gonna start a mass cull and I'm not sure whether it's to do with finances or if they are planning on bringing in new characters

[Cal.]

Its seems like they are gonna start a mass cull and I'm not sure whether it's to do with finances or if they are planning on bringing in new characters

There’s far too many new characters. They need to keep hold of characters/bring back some old faces.

The show is fast becoming unrecognisable. It doesn’t help that it seems the people in charge have never seen EastEnders before.

[Vanessa]

I'm loving season two, I think it's brilliant!
And I'm also enjoying the 2008 iPlayer episodes.
Archie Mitchell has just showed up. :shocked:

[Vanessa]

Lucas is coming back! Omg one of my favourite villains!

[Kate!]

Lucas is coming back! Omg one of my favourite villains!

thought he died??

[Vanessa]

thought he died??

No, he's in jail.

[Denver]

So he is the returning character Kate Oates was talking about?

[Vanessa]

So he is the returning character Kate Oates was talking about?

Not sure if he's the Christmas return.

[Amy Jade]

He best not touch our GCSE Denise MBE or we riot

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[Denver]

Tina is the latest character to leave

[Amy Jade]

Meh.

I don't think she's served a purpose for quite a while now anyway in all honesty.

[Denver]

Tonight was Habiba last episode, they really are dropping like flies

[Ammi]

...so is Jay’s thought that if Honey reports it, it could be her ‘on trial’...?....

[Denver]

Ross Kemp has said he would return as Grant Mitchell if BBC wanted him so I'd keep an eye on that

[Denver]

There is also a possibility of a Kate comeback

[Marsh.]

Ross Kemp has said he would return as Grant Mitchell if BBC wanted him so I'd keep an eye on that

I think this would be awful.

[Ross.]

I think this would be awful.

We want this again!

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[Jake.]

I can’t @ Ellie being billed as the next “villain” and her story already being over

[Marsh.]

We want this again!

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:joker:

[Marsh.]

I can’t @ Ellie being billed as the next “villain” and her story already being over

The partnership of Ruby and Suki have taken over.

[Gstar]

Fridays episode was stupid

[Scarlett.]

I was playing watchdogs and I found this empty pub called 'The Queens Realm' that looks quite a bit like The Queen Vic
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[Gstar]

I’m about to read this show for filth if they don’t get their act together

[Gstar]

My early prediction for the whodunnit is Sharon. What happened with Ian and Denny will come to light again and I don’t think she was asleep when Ian made the bank transfer on her laptop

I feel that Suki is the obvious suspect but she hasn’t been on the square long and her character has potential for bigger and better stories

:nono: @ it being any of the Beales

Not ruling out the Carters but don’t want it to be Mick or Linda

I’m not sure about the Mitchells as they’ve had a lot of focus and were also the previous Christmas storyline, I can see the climax of the heist story being on new years day and would be nice if it was separate from the whodunnit. Similar to new years day 2015 with the wedding and the iconic car crash with R&R but still managed to keep that and the Lucy story separate (apart from them running over Emma)

[Vanessa]

I think Ben will be a suspect, but he won't be the real killer..

[Amy Jade]

I think it'll be Tina.

[Gstar]

I wonder if we’re getting a flashback episode again

[Vanessa]

There won’t be a killer. There’s no death.

Attempted murder maybe?

[Gstar]

I’m also over the Slaters being cleaners, it’s been going on far too long. Such a legendary family (my favourite of all time) and it’s very frustrating seeing them being spoken to like servants

Kat being hired to clean the toilets of a pub she used to run doesn’t sit right

[Gstar]

A friendly reminder that Jack has been filler for over a decade

[Ammi]

I’m also over the Slaters being cleaners, it’s been going on far too long. Such a legendary family (my favourite of all time) and it’s very frustrating seeing them being spoken to like servants

Kat being hired to clean the toilets of a pub she used to run doesn’t sit right

...yeah, it really does feel like a ‘go to’ storyline that’s run its course...

[Vanessa]

Nothing wrong with cleaning. I do it at work as well.

[Ammi]

...it’s more the use of the same storyline, Vanessa...not the job itself...it just feels a bit go to because it’s been done before...

[Vanessa]

...it’s more the use of the same storyline, Vanessa...not the job itself...it just feels a bit go to because it’s been done before...

I agree Kat is wasted on it.
That's why I'm happy to see her involved with Phil.
Much better use of her talents :laugh:

[Gstar]

Nothing wrong with cleaning. I do it at work as well.

It’s not the job I have a problem with, it’s how the Slaters from 2018 onwards have been made out to be the tramps of the square when they’re one of the most iconic families the show has had. This, along with the scatty material they’ve been getting (aside from Jeans cancer) has halted their character development

I hope the rumours are true about Stacey and Martin reuniting and taking a break together

[Gstar]

Jean and Stacey reading Ben for filth :clap1:

[Vanessa]

Callum just turned Ben against his brother :facepalm:

[Vanessa]

Jean and Stacey reading Ben for filth :clap1:

Stacey is one to talk!

[Denver]

The ending was amazing

[Jake.]

Didn’t get the ending at all :suspect:

[Denver]

Didn’t get the ending at all :suspect:

It was basically showing all the suspects, whats not to get?

[Jake.]

It was basically showing all the suspects, whats not to get?

Because it went from Tina and Ian in Ian’s to Ian on the floor of the Vic? At first I didn’t know if it was supposed to be a trailer or something.

[Gstar]

Stacey is one to talk!

Stacey > dog **** > Ben

[Gstar]

Because it went from Tina and Ian in Ian’s to Ian on the floor of the Vic? At first I didn’t know if it was supposed to be a trailer or something.

I’m guessing it’s the trailer. It was giving me how to get away with murder vibes. I also think it was the most heavily editied scene in EE history?

The final zooming out shot of Ian resembling Lucy :skull:

[Vanessa]

Stacey > dog **** > Ben

She's not much better.

[Vanessa]

That was such an amazing episode.
I love a good whodunnit!

[Gstar]

Getting a rape victim to make a rape joke was not okay and extremely out of character for Stacey

Writers fault

[Gstar]

Right so after tonights episode

Kathy is ruled out
Karen saying that Sharon was with her the whole time but I still think Sharon is involved
Ben clearly knows something :idc:
It can’t be Max, even though he left Linda for a moment he’s too obvious
Bobby is 80% ruled out, the 20% is my suspicion between him and Ben in the hospital, very tense.

I think one or more people are indirectly involved/accidentally seen something.

Tina’s alibi indicates that Ian could of been hit several times (by different people) and later collapsed in the vic

[Morgan.]

Right so after tonights episode

Kathy is ruled out
Karen saying that Sharon was with her the whole time but I still think Sharon is involved
Ben clearly knows something :idc:
It can’t be Max, even though he left Linda for a moment he’s too obvious
Bobby is 80% ruled out, the 20% is my suspicion between him and Ben in the hospital, very tense.

I think one or more people are indirectly involved/accidentally seen something.

Tina’s alibi indicates that Ian could of been hit several times (by different people) and later collapsed in the vic

Yeah, I think this too. I think it’s gonna go down the road of Tina being charged for it (even though she didn’t deliver the final blow), but Stuart, Bobby and Suki/Keerhat are at the top of my list. I think Ben went to confront Ian, but saw him seemingly dead on the ground and just left silently so not to be framed or placed at the scene.

Suki telling Keerhat ‘I’ve already got one of my boys in prison’ as a kind of warning when they were discussing the incident is suspicious and I wouldn’t be surprised if she ordered him to kill Ian. She made sure she was on the CCTV at Ruby’s having a drink so she can’t be linked to the crime.

Judging by next weeks spoilers Stuart confronts Rainie over what she’s hiding, and she confesses a big secret, but then she turns the tables on him and asks where he was the night of the murder. To me, this sounds like Rainie has been doing something dodgy, likely not involved with the murder, as she wouldn’t be asking where Stuart was if it was her that did the crime :joker:

The way Peter spent the whole episode making sure Bobby didn’t spill about their chat is very telling - if Peter knew Bobby committed the crime then the wording would have been different. But it seems as if it’s Peter not wanting people to know he wanted Ian dead which leads me down the route of it being him - and I wouldn’t be shocked to see him frame Bobby if it comes to it.

Max and Tina are the two we know are leaving soon, but I really don’t believe it’s either of them. It’d be too obvious, and Max’s schedule wouldn’t line up with an exit at the end of this storyline. I would take a guess and say Tina gets ‘wrongly’ convicted and goes to jail, whilst the real culprit essentially gets away with it.

[Marsh.]

Tina will be responsible for the graffiti.

But then she has form for lashing out after she brained Stuart with a wrench.

[Morgan.]

Tina will be responsible for the graffiti.

But then she has form for lashing out after she brained Stuart with a wrench.

She also had a fight with him in his house leaving him dazed and beaten, as we discovered last night. So she’s still responsible in a way, just probably not for the actual death.

[Denver]

I cant help but feel Tina's exit is her being framed for Attempted murder

[Marsh.]

She also had a fight with him in his house leaving him dazed and beaten, as we discovered last night. So she’s still responsible in a way, just probably not for the actual death.

Not really.

You can't blame a punch to the face for the injury from a smashed bottle to his skull. :joker:

[Morgan.]

Not really.

You can't blame a punch to the face for the injury from a smashed bottle to his skull. :joker:

Not what I’m saying :suspect:

[Marsh.]

Not what I’m saying :suspect:

Well, you said Ian's injury could be a collection of incidents much like Lucy's murder. But it's not quite the same as Lucy, who had several bumps to the head. Ian's quite clearly had his head caved in with a glass bottle by one perpetrator. Not a collapse brought on by several incidents. :laugh:

[Morgan.]

Well, you said Ian's injury could be a collection of incidents much like Lucy's murder. But it's not quite the same as Lucy, who had several bumps to the head. Ian's quite clearly had his head caved in with a glass bottle by one perpetrator. Not a collapse brought on by several incidents. :laugh:

:suspect:

But is is a collection of incidents. We know the final blow was the glass to the head, we also know there was an altercation with Tina who also had facial scars and hands covered in blood which isn’t exactly a single punch to the face. So whether they’re the only two incidents or there’s more remains to be seen, but there’s already two that can be seen.

[Marsh.]

:suspect:

But is is a collection of incidents. We know the final blow was the glass to the head, we also know there was an altercation with Tina who also had facial scars and hands covered in blood which isn’t exactly a single punch to the face. So whether they’re the only two incidents or there’s more remains to be seen, but there’s already two that can be seen.

But it isn't known if a "collection of incidents" led to his injuries. All we know is he has been confronted by several suspects, as always happens in a whodunnit.

But his injuries are from being glassed in the Vic, the final incident.

[Jake.]

Tonight’s episode was good

[Gstar]

But it isn't known if a "collection of incidents" led to his injuries. All we know is he has been confronted by several suspects, as always happens in a whodunnit.

But his injuries are from being glassed in the Vic, the final incident.

After Tina hit Ian she mentioned that he tripped and fell, maybe another injury to the head?

[Gstar]

It would of been a good ending if the duff duff was Ian offering Sharon the vic, the extra part with the marriage proposal was random and not needed

[Morgan.]

After Tina hit Ian she mentioned that he tripped and fell, maybe another injury to the head?

She mentioned to Shirley when she confessed that he hit his head on the table, which left him dazed if I’m remembering correctly. It certainly won’t have helped his state :joker:

[Gstar]

It looks like they’re trying to rehash the Lucy story, along with Bobby cleaning up the blood

[Denver]

So Bobby beat him up

[Gstar]

Could it be more obvious that Sharon’s involved

[Marsh.]

It looks like they’re trying to rehash the Lucy story, along with Bobby cleaning up the blood

Yep, this.

The writing room has a carbon monoxide gas leak I think.

[Gstar]

It’s strange knowing that someone who’s worked on Emmerdale and Coronation Street is now in charge of Eastenders. I get working on the first two because they have similarities but Eastenders is a whole other playing field. I feel like Kate’s portrayal of Eastenders is the same as what people from up north think London is like

We need a team who eat sleep and breathe the show, a complete production/writing team overhaul. The state of the show now is making 2012/13 look like 2005

[Gstar]

So that was the episode dedicated to Barbara .. :inamood:

Even all the casual viewers think it’s Sharon, I wouldn’t be surprised if they changed it last minute

[Gstar]

YZCJWVwhcIE

RIP to an Eastenders legend :worship: :worship: :worship:

7 year old me watching this on TV with family and thinking it was real

Notice how only one character was talking in this entire scene but you felt the presence of everyone because the show had so much life. Great actors and writing, no cheap plot devices and 0 character assassination

[Jake.]

Stuart revealing to Rainie he’d killed Callum’s boss / hid his body only for them both to be turned on and have sex :umm2:

[Gstar]

They’ve just ruined over a years worth of character development for Rainie and Stuart. @Jake Oh and don’t even get me started with that porno scene! Just embarrassing at this point

They’ve also completely destroyed the relationship between Ian and Ben for a plot device. With that being said I hope Suki ruins Bens life just like he’s ****ed with everyone else’s

[Marsh.]

Tbf, did Ian and Ben have any relationship left to ruin?

The entire family have been a mess for at least 6 years now.

[Marsh.]

Stuart revealing to Rainie he’d killed Callum’s boss / hid his body only for them both to be turned on and have sex :umm2:

I kept waiting for him to say he was joking. :umm2:

[Gstar]

Tbf, did Ian and Ben have any relationship left to ruin?

The entire family have been a mess for at least 6 years now.

Their relationship has always been a mess but it’s never been on this level, it’s at the point where I think Ian hates Ben just as much as (or more than) Phil!

[Vanessa]

I love classic EastEnders on Drama.
All these wonderful characters. I miss them all.

[Vanessa]

Their relationship has always been a mess but it’s never been on this level, it’s at the point where I think Ian hates Ben just as much as (or more than) Phil!

Ian looked after Ben when he was little and they were very close.
But with Ian grassing and then accusing him of murder, things are very frosty lately.

[Marsh.]

Things have been frosty ever since Ben murdered Heather, Ian had a mental breakdown over it.

[Vanessa]

Things have been frosty ever since Ben murdered Heather, Ian had a mental breakdown over it.

Most of the Square are murderers anyway, including his son Bobby and Ian himself is no saint.

[Marsh.]

Most of the Square are murderers anyway, including his son Bobby and Ian himself is no saint.

Not really the point I was making.

I said they haven't been close since Heather. That's almost 9 years and 3 actors ago.

[Vanessa]

Not really the point I was making.

I said they haven't been close since Heather. That's almost 9 years and 3 actors ago.

That's true sadly. But Ian has changed for the worse.
He was never this selfish before.

[Gstar]

I bet some people didn’t even know they were brothers prior to Kathy’s return

[Jake.]

Most of the Square are murderers anyway, including his son Bobby and Ian himself is no saint.

That's true sadly. But Ian has changed for the worse.
He was never this selfish before.

So we’re writing off Ben being a murderer but condemning Ian for being “selfish”? :joker:

[Vanessa]

So we’re writing off Ben being a murderer but condemning Ian for being “selfish”? :joker:

No. I'm just saying Ben is not the only murderer on the Square.

[Denver]

But one of a few that murdered someone innocent and has showed no remorse for it

[Vanessa]

But one of a few that murdered someone innocent and has showed no remorse for it

Stuart says hi.

[Denver]

Im not quite sure you understand what one of a few mean?

[Vanessa]

The Square is full of murderers. Take your pick.

[Denver]

Ben milled an innocent woman with a young child lets not try to make him some sort of saint he is the lowest of the low

[Vanessa]

Ben milled an innocent woman with a young child lets not try to make him some sort of saint he is the lowest if the lpw

And he's in good company on this show.

[Marsh.]

Who did Stuart murder that was innocent?

[Denver]

They need to kill him off a boring character who has had no character development in the last 3 regenerations just the same old circle constantly and its very boring

[Vanessa]

Anyway, can't wait for tomorrow episode.
And yes, I'm thinking Sharon is Ian attacker.

[Marsh.]

Sharon is definitely involved but if she is his actual attacker then they've gone one step further in not understanding her character at all.

[Gstar]

And he's in good company on this show.

Good company? He recently carried out a huge robbery with his own dad, the same man who is responsible for about 70% of his trauma over the years. His own boyfriend is secretly working with the police against him whilst his brother across the road despises him.

He’s in the worst company ever

[Vanessa]

Good company? He recently carried out a huge robbery with his own dad, the same man who is responsible for about 70% of his trauma over the years. His own boyfriend is secretly working with the police against him whilst his brother across the road despises him.

He’s in the worst company ever
What I mean is most people in the Square have done some crime.
There are only a few that haven't.

[Amy Jade]

Ben killed Heather in cold blood and left a young child without a mum he's a scumbag and been a terrible character for absolutely years.

People only like him now because the actor is semi attractive and full on gay, the same fan base who were obsessed with Robron on Emmerdull have moved onto Ben and Callum.

It's a shame really because Callum was likeable with Whitney but since the pairing up with Ben he's insufferable.

I hope both are killed off.

[Gstar]

Ben has pretty much served his purpose, if he’s on the square for the next year his character will reach the beyond repairing stage.

Louise was always the better sibling and Raymond is the new up and coming

[Marsh.]

I didn't get why Ben returned so soon anyway.

I was positive because, as much as I hate the character, Max Bowden is probably the strongest actor to have played him. But they've just taken him down the same predictable route. He should have stayed gone after January 2018 to come back when he was a lot older.

[Amy Jade]

Because Kate Oates seems to need a young gay couple in every series she produces and then proceeds to shoehorn them in to every single storyline she can

[Marsh.]

I wouldn't even mind if they could be bothered to invent NEW characters to do it with.

One of the reasons I'm so over the show is that everything is so tired. The only storylines character's are getting are repeats of stories they've had before such as Whitney's abuse, Ben feeling unworthy of Phil, Phil and his gun dramas that are not at all dramatic because they all follow the exact same formula. Even Denise is about to get another big retread of her own at Christmas, I won't mention it in case anyone doesn't want to be spoiled.

They've not done anything original their entire tenure so far but give us depressing abuse storylines and boring heists.

Don't get me started on the utter failure that is the Mick abuse plot. The whole show is just lazy.

[Gstar]

Whitney finally getting the man of her dreams after her dark past only for him to have an affair and leave her at the alter. Obviously feeling depressed and abandoned, having only a few weeks to recover before her abuse storyline gets brought to light again, causing all the memories of her past to flash back

It’s the scary fact that there’s a team who creates these stories and everyone in the room thought this was a good idea

[Morgan.]

I wouldn't even mind if they could be bothered to invent NEW characters to do it with.

One of the reasons I'm so over the show is that everything is so tired. The only storylines character's are getting are repeats of stories they've had before such as Whitney's abuse, Ben feeling unworthy of Phil, Phil and his gun dramas that are not at all dramatic because they all follow the exact same formula. Even Denise is about to get another big retread of her own at Christmas, I won't mention it in case anyone doesn't want to be spoiled.

They've not done anything original their entire tenure so far but give us depressing abuse storylines and boring heists.

Don't get me started on the utter failure that is the Mick abuse plot. The whole show is just lazy.

This is the worst story by far at the moment. I’m just so ....... confused??

[Vanessa]

I wonder if it's Tina who dies on Christmas Day.
Maybe the bullet hits her instead of Ian?

[Denver]

Isn't the bullet posted through the mail? I'm certain she is gonna be framed and leaves for prison

[reece(:]

Even with 18 minute episodes this show is boring the life out of me, only Rainie and Stuart have me interested.

[Vanessa]

Isn't the bullet posted through the mail? I'm certain she is gonna be framed and leaves for prison

Someone tries to kill Ian on Christmas Day.

[Firewire]

Stuart says hi.

What was that?

[Gstar]

Johnathan :love: :love:

I enjoyed the scene with Suki and Phil, she’s been growing on me recently

[Vanessa]

I love Phil :joker:

[Greg!]

I am so obsessed with the feud between Suki and Phil!!!

[Jake.]

The editing is really annoying me?

I don’t know when it started but it NEEDS to stop!

[Marsh.]

The editing is really annoying me?

I don’t know when it started but it NEEDS to stop!

They think they're making a Netflix mini series. Bloody fools.

[Jake.]

They think they're making a Netflix mini series. Bloody fools.

Oh, her eyes lit up then didn’t they!

[Gstar]

Really enjoyed the santa audition scene, it’s so refreshing to see something happy and positive for once. Kim has injected some good vibes into the square since her return, her and Karen work great together plus they’re both friends with Kat so hopefully an upcoming trinity! Also, Isaac :lovedup:

Now onto the bad..

Mick really could of done without this storyline. They’ve not long recovered from a huge strain in their marriage with Linda’s alcoholism, not to mention them constantly having depressing stories. Other than Denise and Jack who are very recent there’s no strong couples on the square, I miss when Mick and Linda were the trophy couple and would give other people relationship advice - very hard to believe now

This Ian thing is clearly being dragged out until next week. They’re putting way too much attention on a crap whodunnit which will climax in one episode with little to no aftermath when there’s two huge abuse stories that have been badly portrayed and undoubtedly will both be used as plot devices


Really hoping the rumours about a new executive producer in 2021 is true

[Amy Jade]

The Mick storyline is awful, they've really hurt the Carter's imo, it'd been so powerful to have him maybe not manage to find a job in the pandemic and see Linda support him as he spiraled. Show something people are going through right now and let Linda and Mick shine rather than make Linda look awful.

[Marsh.]

The Mick storyline is awful, they've really hurt the Carter's imo, it'd been so powerful to have him maybe not manage to find a job in the pandemic and see Linda support him as he spiraled. Show something people are going through right now and let Linda and Mick shine rather than make Linda look awful.

This. We literally had their marriage falling apart before lockdown when they were divorcing and instead of moving them forward they're repeating the story again.

Would have been refreshing to see them go through something stronger as a couple.

But I've noticed Mick always has to come out shining. No matter the storyline Linda, Shirley, Tina, Mick, Dean, Babe, Whitney, Lee etc have to be the villains and Mick is a saint.

[Gstar]

I would say a Nancy return would be nice but not under this character assassinating production team. Same thing with Janine

[Gstar]

So glad Janine is absent. Can you imagine how much of a parody they would of made her in the whodunnit

[Gstar]

Are Eastenders going to begin every episode with showing all the suspects until the climax?

Ian setting off the fireworks was dumb and made no sense, and what for? Only thing it did was spoil the relationships in his family even more :idc:

The flashback of Ian and Tina’s fight was horrendous! Literally something out of a low budget horror movie, they both looked like wolves hunting eachother, not to mention how out of character Ian hitting Tina looked. In fact, even Tina hitting Ian is out of character

Using a Lucy Beale award to hit Ian was the icing on the cake :skull: although Max burying the award can indicate that he’s covering for someone (I still don’t think it’s him) and if he is covering for someone it’ll be Bobby or Linda :worry: after such a bad whodunnit the least they can give us is a non-terrible culprit

Also, when Mick’s abuse storyline is over he’s now gonna have to deal with Linda sleeping with Max. How much more are they going to ruin this family?

[Vanessa]

So do we think it was Max? Or was he covering for Linda?

[Daniel-X]

The show is possibly the worst it’s ever been for me at the moment. I feel like I’m watching Hollyoaks, where nothing makes sense and characters are just plot devices.

[Daniel-X]

Like 2013/2017 were mind numbingly boring but this is just complete drivel.

[Gstar]

Despite being off air for nearly three months this has still been Eastenders worst year

[Amy Jade]

I think it's the writing that's been terrible this year. There has been some brilliant acting such as Linda's alcoholism was done brilliant by Kellie, Sharon's heartbreak over Denny was fantastic and of course Jess was amazing as Chantelle and even Whitney, Grey, Bobby, Raine and others are great actors it's just the writing has been so repetitive and it feels like they don't know the characters.

Linda cheating on Mick just doesn't feel right, Ian randomly becoming a super villain and they spent a year building Stuart and Raine into a really nice couple and they've turned them into cartoons now.

One thing that's really annoying me is that some interesting characters are being faded out with absolutely no storyline and yet they seem to squeeze Ben into absolutely everything, he goes from storyline to storyline one after the other.

[Ammi]

...if Linda was going to cheat then surely it wouldn’t be with Max...I mean, that makes no sense at all...I can’t watch that sort of illogical nonsense...has 2020 not given us enough rubbish...

[Gstar]

I’m starting to think the attacker isn’t Sharon anymore because they’ve been making it way too obvious

[Gstar]

Loved the beginning scene with Kim :laugh:

[Denver]

We love the Heather tribute

[Denver]

A beautiful tribute to some former characters

[Gstar]

Kellie Bright performed well tonight and the sudden change of heart from Mick towards Tina gives me some hope

A beautiful tribute ruined by the Ian thing at the end, it was giving me pretty little liars vibes

[Gstar]

I forgot to mention that the attacker is so obviously Sharon

[Morgan.]

I just saw in the paper they’re heading for a Mick suicide attempt on New Years :worry: I really hope they do it justice

[Vanessa]

My theory :
Sharon was the one who attacked Ian.
Maybe she knows about Denny and Phil helped to cover it up.
Peter was the one behind the RIP Ian, the graffiti and the brick in the window.

[Denver]

The attacker will be revealed tonight and I have a feeling it will be Sharon and Phil working together to get the Vic

[Vanessa]

The attacker will be revealed tonight and I have a feeling it will be Sharon and Phil working together to get the Vic

Sharon is all smiles when Ian looks at her.
But when he looks away, if looks could kill! :shocked:

[Kate!]

Can't wait for the reveals tonight. Exciting. X

[Gstar]

Are we all perching this thread at 21:10?

[Kate!]

Are we all perching this thread at 21:10?

Yep.

[Denver]

The attacker will be revealed tonight and I have a feeling it will be Sharon and Phil working together to get the Vic

I called it

[Jake.]

I enjoyed it. Not top-tier EastEnders but still entertaining

[Gstar]

Omg are they making Jean have cancer again? :worry: :mad:

Denises story outshined everything else relating to the whodunnit (which was meant to be the main story)

Also, was Karen not distraught the other day saying she doesn’t feel up for celebrating Christmas because of Chantelle but was seen today getting pissed in the vic? What’s worse is that it looks like they’re about to turn Gray into a serial killer. This is the worst domestic abuse storyline I’ve ever seen (across all soaps) it looks even worse because Coronation Street portrayed theirs so well

One of the worst Christmas episodes to date. Really hoping for production team changes in 2021

[Vanessa]

That was brilliant and Lucas is back!

[Gstar]

Yesterday someone tweeted “I just want justice for Chantelle” and the official eastenders twitter account liked it

Hmm

[Vanessa]

Another episode tonight. Yay!

[Amy Jade]

Lucas following Ruby had me wide eyed, he was definitely going to attack her if Martin hadn't shouted her over.

[Amy Jade]

Tina's always bit a bit annoying but she's full on pissing me now.

[Denver]

Why do I feel Gray will murder Tina

[Jake.]

I thought that that was the end for Tina!

[Vanessa]

Oh no! Tina!

[Wizard.]

Is Tina gonna get killed or is this Gray’s demise? I think it’s getting a bit sick if he’s allowed to just swan about like nothing happened.

[Gstar]

Tina clocking Gray :clap1: I don’t want her to die :worry: but she probably will as the show is obsessed with making outcomes of situations stupidly obvious

[Denver]

Tina is dead and they have turned Gray into a serial Killer

[Vanessa]

Oh no. Tina!

[Jake.]

A shame that she was killed off like that. It’s got to lead to his demise, surely?

[Morgan.]

Tina is dead and they have turned Gray into a serial Killer

I think in by definition a serial killer has to have 3 or more victims so he’s not quite there yet. Wouldn’t be surprised if it happens though, he certainly has an uncontrollable temper especially when the events surrounding his marriage to Chantelle are questioned.

[Daniel-X]

It all seems a bit distasteful to me to have turned a DV storyline into their new serial killer plot. Luisa deserved a better exit too than just being shoehorned into this at the final hour, especially when Tina can now never return.

Just put Gray behind bars ffs.

[Denver]

Luisa said she wanted Tina to be killed iff

[Amy Jade]

Im shocked people are upset Tina is dead, the character has been terrible for years now