Harry & Meghan set for Oprah interview

[Tom4784]

I will repeat myself from my earlier post....REGARDLESS of money involved or not... the FACT remains that you call her family SCUM for telling THEIR story but its OK for Meghan to tell hers....:laugh:

Ignoring posts that completely dismantle this logic doesn't make them disappear.

Selling stories about your family members for a profit is very different to giving interviews about your own personal troubles of motherhood, miscarriage and mental health, especially when you consider that Meghan is not going to profit from these interviews but charities are.

To keep saying that these two situations are the same is completely disingenuous. Neither logic or the facts support what you are saying.

[rusticgal]

Ignoring posts that completely dismantle this logic doesn't make them disappear.

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I haven’t seen any logic on here other than my own :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

After lock down restrictions this pair will turn up to a toilet cubicle door Being opened if it means more exposure

[Tom4784]

I haven’t seen any logic on here other than my own :laugh:

Choosing not to see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just that you don't want to acknowledge it because it proves you wrong.

It's bad faith to make out that Meghan is some mirror image of her scummy family for reasons I've stated twice now. Choosing to cut out parts of my post you don't want to acknowledge simply reflects badly on your own.... 'argument'.

[rusticgal]

After lock down restrictions this pair will turn up to a toilet cubicle door Being opened if it means more exposure


:joker:.....well I guess they still want to be associated with the Throne :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

:joker:.....well I guess they still want to be associated with the Throne :laugh:

The king and queen of privacy :wavey:
They won’t sit on the.throne just hover over it for a bit

[GoldHeart]

You need to calm down....they quit their roles as members of the Royal family...The firm. Of course they are still ‘family’....but I will say it again because now you don’t seem to ‘hear what I’m saying’....Ithink they should be stripped of their titles....that’s my opinion and it’s quite simple.

Well that isn't your choice :hee:

[UserSince2005]

Harry is a disgrace to the nation
Yes Meghan is the evil temptress
But Harry should have been so much smarter

[jet]

:joker:.....well I guess they still want to be associated with the Throne :laugh:

:joker:

[jet]

Choosing not to see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just that you don't want to acknowledge it because it proves you wrong.

It's bad faith to make out that Meghan is some mirror image of her scummy family for reasons I've stated twice now. Choosing to cut out parts of my post you don't want to acknowledge simply reflects badly on your own.... 'argument'.

You quoted me and I replied (Post 437), but either you missed it or you are avoiding answering. I laid out many well - documented points from several independent sources which have been reported over and over (and which have never been denied by her or her friends (because they couldn't) but you are insisting Meghans family are scum and not saying a word about her behaviour.
Hmmm....

[rusticgal]

Well that isn't your choice :hee:


Well let’s not state the obvious....I didn’t say it was my choice...I said it was my opinion...:hee:

[jet]

I haven’t seen any logic on here other than my own :laugh:

Your logic makes perfect sense to me. It is my opinion also that they should be stripped of all titles. They have effectively emotionally abandoned the royal family, are estranged from them, been disrespectful and cruel with how they have gone about things and caused stress and heartache to a grandmother in her mid 90's and a ill grandfather approaching 100.
They made their big leaving announcement without telling the Queen first and the same with this Oprah interview. Their reply to her kind statement today was so disrespectful, a disgrace. They have, and are, showing themselves as selfish, self absorbed, uncaring and having no class.
The Queen won't do it,unfortunately. William could, when he becomes king - he didn't 'gift' it to them! So they might not have the titles for life....

[jet]

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Brilliant! :joker:

[AnnieK]

Your logic makes perfect sense to me. It is my opinion also that they should be stripped of all titles. They have effectively emotionally abandoned the royal family, are estranged from them, been disrespectful and cruel with how they have gone about things and caused stress and heartache to a grandmother in her mid 90's and a ill grandfather approaching 100.
They made their big leaving announcement without telling the Queen first and the same with this Oprah interview. Their reply to her kind statement today was so disrespectful, a disgrace. They have, and are, showing themselves as selfish, self absorbed, uncaring and having no class.
The Queen won't do it,unfortunately. William could, when he becomes king - he didn't 'gift' it to them! So they might not have the titles for life....

You think William would strip his brother of his title? Really? When both of the boys adore their mother, you think that William could do that, knowing what the loss of title and privilege did to their mother? Not a chance.

[jet]

You think William would strip his brother of his title? Really? When both of the boys adore their mother, you think that William could do that, knowing what the loss of title and privilege did to their mother? Not a chance.

I adored Diana, but her loss of title and privilege didn't cause her death. She refused the highly skilled royal bodyguards that were offered to her. The bodyguard assigned to her by the Fayed's let her get into a car with paps all over the place, with a man who had been drinking - and let her refuse to put on her seatbelt. I
I said William 'could'. I have no idea if he will, neither have you. I would like him to though, after the disgraceful way they have treated his grandparents and father, who have shown him nothing but love and patience.

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[jet]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9280035/Royal-fury-Harry-Meghans-horribly-disrespectful-parting-shot.html

Royal fury at Harry and Meghan's 'horribly disrespectful' parting shot: Palace shock at couple's churlish insult after losing patronages - as it's revealed how Queen told her grandson 'you work for the monarchy, the monarchy doesn't work for you'

Last night Buckingham Palace announced Harry and Meghan had been stripped of their remaining roles

Statement said they could not continue 'the responsibilities and duties that come with a life of public service'

The apparently furious Sussexes quickly issued a stinging rebuke to the Queen, saying 'service is universal.'

Officials are said to feel the statement was 'disrespectful' to the elderly monarch, while Phillip is in hospital
By REBECCA ENGLISH ROYAL EDITOR FOR THE DAILY MAIL

Heartless!

[arista]

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Yes Bugger Off
and leave us alone.

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/02/19/22/39507240-9280035-It_is_no_secret_that_Harry_and_Meghan_were_once_so _desperate_to_-a-51_1613773669181.jpg

Yes Bugger Off
and leave us alone.

The more I look at the statement the worse it gets and I lay the blame for being an ass completely at Harrys door, They are not Megs family she barely knows them, the disrespect to his Grandmother is unforgivable, and could be excused if he was in his 20s but being the wrong side of 30 he should have more sense, spoilt brat, nothing more, no wonder Zara Phillips who I wouldn’t be able to pick out in a line up is more popular than him now :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

The more I look at the statement the worse it gets and I lay the blame for being an ass completely at Harrys door, They are not Megs family she barely knows them, the disrespect to his Grandmother is unforgivable, and could be excused if he was in his 20s but being the wrong side of 30 he should have more sense, spoilt brat, nothing more, no wonder Zara Phillips who I wouldn’t be able to pick out in a line up is more popular than him now :laugh:

He left the company but wanted to keep the company car.

He is not the first royal to turn his back on his family and country for a woman

The interview with Oprah shows who is the driving seat, Harry is on the back seat with some maps so he can brush up on his geography.

[bots]

As Cherie says, Harry knows what's right or wrong when discussing issues related to the Queen and the royal family. It just shows a total lack of respect for a family member let alone the queen. If this is the public face, we can only imagine what has been said behind closed doors :laugh:

[rusticgal]

The more I look at the statement the worse it gets and I lay the blame for being an ass completely at Harrys door, They are not Megs family she barely knows them, the disrespect to his Grandmother is unforgivable, and could be excused if he was in his 20s but being the wrong side of 30 he should have more sense, spoilt brat, nothing more, no wonder Zara Phillips who I wouldn’t be able to pick out in a line up is more popular than him now :laugh:


Absolutely.... However Harry is coming across as extremely weak and the pair of them are just behaving like spoiled brats because they really dont like it when they dont get their way. I dont think Harry is the sharpest tool in the box either and its starting to show.
So much disrespect at a time when Philip is in hospital.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The pompous little statement from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s Hollywood PR department says it all

To us, it looks as if their work over the past year has been securing lucrative deals with Netflix and Spotify.

That is indeed duty and service but it looks like it is mainly duty and service to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

If you do good works — which they do — they will always be overshadowed by the money-making deals that race smartly alongside them.

No one cares about the unseen, unglamorous works they undertake when they live such a high-profile lifestyle.

Harry and Meghan moved from a huge mansion in Vancouver Island to a house in the Hollywood Hills and then to a multimillion-dollar mansion in Mendocino County — all in the space of a year.

Their PRs should be sacked for putting out such a statement which looked like a jibe at the Queen’s life of unselfish service.





https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14105384/pompous-little-statement-duke-duchess-of-sussexs-hollywood-pr-department/

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/07/revealed-queen-lobbied-for-change-in-law-to-hide-her-private-wealth

Revealed: Queen lobbied for change in law to hide her private wealth

Unselfish service

[jet]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/07/revealed-queen-lobbied-for-change-in-law-to-hide-her-private-wealth

Revealed: Queen lobbied for change in law to hide her private wealth

Unselfish service

The Queen’s wealth is inherited. How does not wanting to disclose the amount have anything to do with the unselfish service she has carried out for 68 years? Seems you are just finding something to nit -pick that was reported weeks ago to divert away from Harry and Meghan’s latest SELFISH actions.

[Tom4784]

The Queen’s wealth is inherited. How does not wanting to disclose the amount have anything to do with the unselfish service she has carried out for 68 years? Seems you are just finding something to nit -pick that was reported weeks ago to divert away from Harry and Meghan’s latest SELFISH actions.

So the queen getting involved in politics against protocol to protect her wealth is nitpicking and not selfish but two ex-royals leaving a position they didn't like and was adversely affecting their mental health is selfish.

Tell me, if someone is unhappy in a job, would you call them selfish for finding another job and leaving? Because that's essentially what Harry and Meg did, they left the family business to pursue their own path.

[The Slim Reaper]

The Queen’s wealth is inherited. How does not wanting to disclose the amount have anything to do with the unselfish service she has carried out for 68 years? Seems you are just finding something to nit -pick that was reported weeks ago to divert away from Harry and Meghan’s latest SELFISH actions.

It's not unselfish service if you don't really have a choice, then you try to hide the results of that service from the people that are responsible for your wealth.

Jet, I honestly couldn't care less about royals, but you of all people accusing anyone of nit-picking to suit an agenda in these threads is beyond laughable.

[jet]

I would have a lot to say about this, but I'm not taking the bait to divert attention away from the disgraceful, selfish acts of Harry and Meghan and I hope nobody else who thinks like I do does the same.
That tactic was already tried with Prince Andrew.

[Cherie]

As Cherie says, Harry knows what's right or wrong when discussing issues related to the Queen and the royal family. It just shows a total lack of respect for a family member let alone the queen. If this is the public face, we can only imagine what has been said behind closed doors :laugh:

Absolutely.... However Harry is coming across as extremely weak and the pair of them are just behaving like spoiled brats because they really dont like it when they dont get their way. I dont think Harry is the sharpest tool in the box either and its starting to show.
So much disrespect at a time when Philip is in hospital.

100% the mind boggles

[The Slim Reaper]

I would have a lot to say about this, but I'm not taking the bait to divert attention away from the disgraceful, selfish acts of Harry and Meghan and I hope nobody else who thinks like I do does the same.
That tactic was already tried with Prince Andrew.

Taking the bait? You made the accusation, I just turned the mirror around and that's what you didn't like. I didn't even bring the queen into the thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Top radio host mike and guests discuss the interview with the odious Oprah


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both talk about the brilliant Daily Star front page

[Tom4784]

I would have a lot to say about this, but I'm not taking the bait to divert attention away from the disgraceful, selfish acts of Harry and Meghan and I hope nobody else who thinks like I do does the same.
That tactic was already tried with Prince Andrew.

You could just say that you don't have a response, you don't need to insult people because you can't argue against what they are saying.

[Nicky91]

odious Oprah?

:umm2: no need to insult a talk show legend whom had interviewed many many world famous stars, inspiring lovely lady

don't come for her pls LT :idc:


i don't care about the Meghan hate at all, but don't call Oprah odious pls

[jet]

You could just say that you don't have a response, you don't need to insult people because you can't argue against what they are saying.

You haven't responded to my posts to you (437 and 510) which started when you quoted me.
Was this because you hadn't a response or did you just miss them? You have no obligation to answer them of course.

[jet]

odious Oprah?

:umm2: no need to insult a talk show legend whom had interviewed many many world famous stars, inspiring lovely lady

don't come for her pls LT :idc:


i don't care about the Meghan hate at all, but don't call Oprah odious pls

She's so 90's era though. :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I love how kate and will just glide through all this self-promotion and lust for money and just get on with serving the nation as if nothing has happened.

If only meghan had used kate as a role model then things would have worked out much better for her and harry

:(

[Josy]

odious Oprah?

:umm2: no need to insult a talk show legend whom had interviewed many many world famous stars, inspiring lovely lady

don't come for her pls LT :idc:


i don't care about the Meghan hate at all, but don't call Oprah odious pls

Oprah is pedo sympathiser but dont dare call her odious just hate on Meghan for pointless harmless stuff instead?

Umm that might just be enough internet for me for today :/

[Tom4784]

You haven't responded to my posts to you (437 and 510) which started when you quoted me.
Was this because you hadn't a response or did you just miss them? You have no obligation to answer them of course.

I did respond, the post got deleted though in a large sweep.

Essentially I said that idle gossip isn't really a news source as it's just hearsay with no facts, like pretty much everything that people use to justify hating this couple. It's all speculation and nothing solid.

[jet]

I love how kate and will just glide through all this self-promotion and lust for money and just get on with serving the nation as if nothing has happened.

If only meghan had used kate as a role model then things would have worked out much better for her and harry

:(

She does, doesn't she? She's a very dignified and classy lady.

[Nicky91]

Queen to be Kate Middleton :flutter:

[jet]

I did respond, the post got deleted though in a large sweep.

Essentially I said that idle gossip isn't really a news source as it's just hearsay with no facts, like pretty much everything that people use to justify hating this couple. It's all speculation and nothing solid.


That is the answer I expected, it always is when people are too lazy to try to verify something they don't want to believe.
....and you call her family scum without any evidence (as you say) because you don't know what drove them to act as they did.

[Tom4784]

That is the answer I expected, it always is when people are too lazy to try to verify something they don't want to believe.
....and you call her family scum without any evidence (as you say) because you don't know what drove them to act as they did.

There is evidence of them being scummy, they literally sold articles about their daughter/sister for money to hurt her as her wedding approached. Such behaviour is disgusting, and then you've got the sister who is apparently writing books about Meghan to slate her as a way to profit of their relationship. Such things are scummy and I think you would say the same, were it not Meghan who was the target of such things.

There's more evidence of them being scum because of their actions than anything about Meghan because it's all wishful thinking and gossip. Her father and sister frequently ran to the press for profit. That is a fact.

Calling me lazy because I don't believe in things without proof is senseless. I'm not going to take strange claims at face value because I know better. I simply don't believe something just because it appeals to my view, I require proof to take idle gossip as anything more than idle gossip.

Finally, it doesn't matter what her family's motivations are, they still aimed to profit from their relation to her, they still lashed out to hurt her. A rational adult should know that they alone are responsible for their own actions. Meghan didn't force them to sell their stories, she didn't make them do anything, they chose to be toxic and that's on their own heads. It's completely warped to victim blame Meghan when it's her family that's clearly in the wrong for selling stories about her.

[Nicky91]

There is evidence of them being scummy, they literally sold articles about their daughter/sister for money to hurt her as her wedding approached. Such behaviour is disgusting, and then you've got the sister who is apparently writing books about Meghan to slate her as a way to profit of their relationship. Such things are scummy and I think you would say the same, were it not Meghan who was the target of such things.

There's more evidence of them being scum because of their actions than anything about Meghan because it's all wishful thinking and gossip. Her father and sister frequently ran to the press for profit. That is a fact.

Calling me lazy because I don't believe in things without proof is senseless. I'm not going to take strange claims at face value because I know better. I simply don't believe something just because it appeals to my view, I require proof to take idle gossip as anything more than idle gossip.

Finally, it doesn't matter what her family's motivations are, they still aimed to profit from their relation to her, they still lashed out to hurt her. A rational adult should know that they alone are responsible for their own actions. Meghan didn't force them to sell their stories, she didn't make them do anything, they chose to be toxic and that's on their own heads. It's completely warped to victim blame Meghan when it's her family that's clearly in the wrong for selling stories about her.

yes Samantha, much nicer person :love:

[Tom4784]

yes Samantha, much nicer person :love:

Selling out family connections for a book deal to line her own pockets, a kind queen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Selling out family connections for a book deal to line her own pockets, a kind queen.

She was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2008, and has been using a wheelchair since then. I admire her for working and making a living by writing.

[Nicky91]

Selling out family connections for a book deal to line her own pockets, a kind queen.

she doesn't do that


Meghan is the evil one here, the pathological liar who first said she wanted to stay out of publicity but is constantly now the centre of attention in the media

i mean you can easily stay out of publicity, i mean go to some amish county no media over there, where you can live anonymously but no she chose hollywood

and now this Oprah interview, if it was a interview for Harry mainly i would like it more, considering he has done several good things like invictus games for example

[rusticgal]

odious Oprah?

:umm2: no need to insult a talk show legend whom had interviewed many many world famous stars, inspiring lovely lady

don't come for her pls LT :idc:


i don't care about the Meghan hate at all, but don't call Oprah odious pls


Well Oprah isnt everyones cup of tea Nicky...

[rusticgal]

She does, doesn't she? She's a very dignified and classy lady.


She certainly is....and both her and William seem to live quite happily with their 3 children with no intrusion.

[Cherie]

Selling out family connections for a book deal to line her own pockets, a kind queen.

Sounds like Harry :hehe:

[jet]

There is evidence of them being scummy, they literally sold articles about their daughter/sister for money to hurt her as her wedding approached. Such behaviour is disgusting, and then you've got the sister who is apparently writing books about Meghan to slate her as a way to profit of their relationship. Such things are scummy and I think you would say the same, were it not Meghan who was the target of such things.

There's more evidence of them being scum because of their actions than anything about Meghan because it's all wishful thinking and gossip. Her father and sister frequently ran to the press for profit. That is a fact.

Calling me lazy because I don't believe in things without proof is senseless. I'm not going to take strange claims at face value because I know better. I simply don't believe something just because it appeals to my view, I require proof to take idle gossip as anything more than idle gossip.

Finally, it doesn't matter what her family's motivations are, they still aimed to profit from their relation to her, they still lashed out to hurt her. A rational adult should know that they alone are responsible for their own actions. Meghan didn't force them to sell their stories, she didn't make them do anything, they chose to be toxic and that's on their own heads. It's completely warped to victim blame Meghan when it's her family that's clearly in the wrong for selling stories about her.

What I wrote wasn't idle gossip though. Most of it IS verified -
Harry DID say in a radio interview “We will be the family she never had”. It could be on Utube?

That Meghan refused the Palace Aides help to go to Mexico to help her father cope with press intrusion. That was revealed by Palace sources and is verified in their friend Omid’s bio.

Meghans father did work his butt off for her - from Meghan’s own mouth and in her blog before she met Harry.

They WERE invited to her first wedding, so they were good enough to be seen then, but not in public for her marriage to Harry. They were not invited to her marriage to Harry, they were seen not to be there, but lots of celebs were, as seen.

The only point not completely verified is that she froze out her family and some friends after finding fame in Suits, that came from separate accounts from independent friends of hers. I read their accounts and it all rings true to me given her other behavior.

How do you know her father and sister profited that much? It was often said that 'Mr. Markle has received no payment for this article' and the same for Sam's interviews. Did you see the cheques?

[Nicky91]

Well Oprah isnt everyones cup of tea Nicky...

the likes of a Meghan Markle, Nigel Farage, Donald Trump, Ion Tiriac, King Juan Carlos aren't my cup of tea tbh

[jet]

There's more evidence of them being scum because of their actions than anything about Meghan
.................
Finally, it doesn't matter what her family's motivations are, they still aimed to profit from their relation to her

Like Meghan is profiting HUGELY financially with Netflix and Spotify because of her relations with the royal family and not on her own merit.

I have never called Meghan scum, and wouldn't, even though I think she's miles worse than her family could ever be.

[GoldHeart]

the likes of a Meghan Markle, Nigel Farage, Donald Trump, Ion Tiriac, King Juan Carlos aren't my cup of tea tbh

The fact you would even consider putting Meghan in the same category as things like farage & Trump is the most baffling ever .

Especially when Oprah was friends with Weinstein who was assaulting his way around Hollywood.

[Nicky91]

The fact you would even consider putting Meghan in the same category as things like farage & Trump is the most baffling ever .

Especially when Oprah was friends with Weinstein who was assaulting his way around Hollywood.

because Meghan is same amount of media hungry as a Farage, Trump whom also have to be centre of attention all the time


Tiriac well he is a nasty piece of work

as for King Juan Carlos, i am against corrupt royalty




Oprah ''friends with Weinstein'' umm what? more had been friends with him and unaware of what he did behind closed doors (explains why many women only opening up about this now)

[rusticgal]

the likes of a Meghan Markle, Nigel Farage, Donald Trump, Ion Tiriac, King Juan Carlos aren't my cup of tea tbh


Fair enough...there are always going to be people in this world we like and dislike..

[joeysteele]

The fact you would even consider putting Meghan in the same category as things like farage & Trump is the most baffling ever .

Especially when Oprah was friends with Weinstein who was assaulting his way around Hollywood.


I agree with you.
You couldn't make it up could you Goldheart?

Meghan Markle was even termed EVIL earlier.
What on earth is evil about her.

Evil is being like sadistic torturers or murderers for goodness sake.

[jet]

She certainly is....and both her and William seem to live quite happily with their 3 children with no intrusion.

Indeed.
They are such beautiful children. :love:

[GoldHeart]

because Meghan is same amount of media hungry as a Farage, Trump whom also have to be centre of attention all the time


Tiriac well he is a nasty piece of work

as for King Juan Carlos, i am against corrupt royalty




Oprah ''friends with Weinstein'' umm what? more had been friends with him and unaware of what he did behind closed doors (explains why many women only opening up about this now)

I don't want to turn this thread into a Oprah Weinstein mess, but there's a difference between being friends with THAT and then realising what they've been up to and cutting ties with them, and then there's sweeping it under the carpet .Whilst embarrassing pictures come out of them looking like 'BFFS' .

Oprah seemed less interested in hearing the women's stories ,and instead focused her energy elsewhere. Which did her no favours back in 2019 with the scapegoating.

[Nicky91]

I agree with you.
You couldn't make it up could you Goldheart?

Meghan Markle was even termed EVIL earlier.
What on earth is evil about her.

Evil is being like sadistic torturers or murderers for goodness sake.

pathologic liars are evil, since lying is always very much wrong


Diana too had some nasty traits about her, also quite wanted to be centre of attention, find Charles and Camilla much lovelier couple but that is my personal opinion

[joeysteele]

pathologic liars are evil, since lying is always very much wrong


Diana too had some nasty traits about her, also quite wanted to be centre of attention, find Charles and Camilla much lovelier couple but that is my personal opinion

Where has she lied.
I still haven't seen any substantiated facts as to that.

Lying is now evil is it.

Good grief, just about near all the world is likely evil then.

I hate being lied to personally but is it evil, nah!!

[rusticgal]

Like Meghan is profiting HUGELY financially with Netflix and Spotify because of her relations with the royal family.

I have never called Meghan scum, and wouldn't, even though I think she's miles worse than her family could ever be.


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[Ammi]

...Harry’s words in that radio interview are widely reported to have been that he guessed that they were the family she had never had and he was specifically referring to that Christmas/the first one spent with Harry’s family... he has a huge family with siblings and generations etc all spending their Christmases together, which is something she herself didn’t recall as anything similar in her early childhood...her parents divorced when she was very young ...many families have complicated families/ step families and complicated Christmases etc...he didn’t say that they would be Meghan’s family...he was talking about Meghan’s first Christmas experience ...which she had never experienced anything similar to before....

[rusticgal]

...Harry’s words in that radio interview are widely reported to have been that he guessed that they were the family she had never had and he was specifically referring to that Christmas/the first one spent with Harry’s family... he has a huge family with siblings and generations etc all spending their Christmases together, which is something she herself didn’t recall as anything similar in her early childhood...her parents divorced when she was very young ...many families have complicated families/ step families and complicated Christmases etc...he didn’t say that they would be Meghan’s family...he was talking about Meghan’s first Christmas experience ...which she had never experienced anything similar to before....



It was still a thoughtless thing to say....as a parent you would feel you have failed to give your daughter a family Christmas...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Where has she lied.



https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-biggest-lie-Meghan-Markle-told-the-public-if-any

[Cherie]

...Harry’s words in that radio interview are widely reported to have been that he guessed that they were the family she had never had and he was specifically referring to that Christmas/the first one spent with Harry’s family... he has a huge family with siblings and generations etc all spending their Christmases together, which is something she herself didn’t recall as anything similar in her early childhood...her parents divorced when she was very young ...many families have complicated families/ step families and complicated Christmases etc...he didn’t say that they would be Meghan’s family...he was talking about Meghan’s first Christmas experience ...which she had never experienced anything similar to before....

That went well then :laugh:

[jet]

It was still a thoughtless thing to say....as a parent you would feel you have failed to give your daughter a family Christmas...

She had family Christmases Rusti. Sam recalls them in her book, they were a loving family and gave her everything her heart desired, in fact she was spoiled rotten. Meghan said herself (she must have forgotten) that she never felt disadvantaged with her parents splitting. Not having a 'massive family gathering (many don't) does not equate to 'the family she never had' - which is clearly what he said.
And telling Harry that and him repeating it in public - how humiliating for her family. No wonder they were furious.

[Ammi]

...tbf, those are just posts on quora thread, equivalent to a TiBB thread which we hope that people don’t read and think ...

https://media.giphy.com/media/uMUcWg5fIQhWM/giphy.gif


... when people are just ‘giving opinions’ on the much talked about Meghan...

[jet]

.....and if that was the case he would have said "The huge family Christmas gathering she has never had NOT the 'family' she has never had.

[Crimson Dynamo]

...tbf, those are just posts on quora thread, equivalent to a TiBB thread which we hope that people don’t read and think ...when people are just ‘giving opinions’ on the much talked about Meghan...

https://media.giphy.com/media/uMUcWg5fIQhWM/giphy.gif

plenty of lies in that link

feel free to refute any if you think they are not true

lots to chose from

You will appreciate that she has not been up in court for lying (yet) so i cant provide court-based evidence but obvs we don't really need that to establish that lies trip out of her mouth on a regular basis

[Ammi]

...the only ones that I can see who have manipulated Harry’s words that are quoted by all and any unbiased sources are Meghan’s estranged step siblings....hmmmmm...

[Ammi]

plenty of lies in that link

feel free to refute any if you think they are not true

lots to chose from

You will appreciate that she has not been up in court for lying (yet) so i cant provide court-based evidence but obvs we don't really need that to establish that lies trip out of her mouth on a regular basis

...it’s not for me to refute anything LT and you know that, I’m not claiming anything ...as has been said, it’s all on YouTube and sites which can be googled...pages and pages of it...

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.qt.com.au/news/total-lie-meghan-markle-slammed/4181248/

when your own loving father brands you a liar it really has gone too far

:skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

...it’s not for me to refute anything LT and you know that, I’m not claiming anything ...as has been said, it’s all on YouTube and sites which can be googled...pages and pages of it...

i know you cant refute it as there are too many too refute and tbh people have stopped trying now

She lied about Archies birth time which upset William

[jet]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9280019/Devoted-self-service-JAN-MOIR-says-farewell-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle.html

In an unmistakable ratcheting of hostilities between the two camps, a spokesman for the couple said: 'As evidenced by their work over the past year, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex remain committed to their duty and service to the UK and around the world, and have offered their continued support to the organisations they have represented regardless of official role. We can all live a life of service. Service is universal.'
Surely they meant self-service? That is the only explanation that makes sense. If this statement wasn't so downright rude, it would be laughable. Service to the UK and around the world? Who do they think they are, the Gandhi and Bambi of the Second Coming?
Over the past few months the couple have visited food banks in Los Angeles on a couple of occasions, while indulging in their favourite pastime of lecturing others on where they are going wrong in their lives and urging us all to be more perfect like…well, like them. It all hardly amounts to a hill of organic beans, let alone a lifetime of devoted service to the UK, to America or to anywhere else.

Extract from article well worth a read it it's entirety.

[Ammi]

i know you cant refute it as there are too many too refute and tbh people have stopped trying now

the narrative moved on years ago

...people will believe whatever they’re inclined to believe...because there really are barely any ‘reliable sources’ and even within the Markle family itself, there will be ‘many truths’ and also many manipulations of ‘truth’ and adjusting of truth...and I doubt we’ll ever truly know the ‘complete family’ ..all we ever have is the persons ‘truth’ we care to believe...

[joeysteele]

...tbf, those are just posts on quora thread, equivalent to a TiBB thread which we hope that people don’t read and think ...when people are just ‘giving opinions’ on the much talked about Meghan...

https://media.giphy.com/media/uMUcWg5fIQhWM/giphy.gif


Well they're not even lies as such even if they were right.
There's also nothing there to indicate serious deception or anything like it.

Certainly nothing to warrant the acidic dislike and venom directed at her.

There's one even more ridiculous one, such as she knew what would be expected as the wife of a Royal.
You can never really know until you are living it.
Born into it, you know it and that is likely emotionally draining at times.

There's always been Royal rebels.
Harry himself was, he was hounded by the media at almost every social thing he went to.
Photographed seemingly drunk at times.

Sarah Ferguson was ill equipped for Royal life, she knew well in advance as much as Meghan could have.

Princess Diana herself was stifled by the starched rigid rulings of Royal life.

That's not a lie for goodness sake.

One of the biggest rebels after having had her perhaps hoped for happiness taken from her originally was Princess Margaret.
The socialite Princess who didn't give a damn.

If it's hard for those born into it, it must be a living nightmare when you realise it's not what you believed.
I'd never want to be a Royal.
You'd need to lose heart and brain almost to just become robotic.

I see no lies as such, nothing to warrant intense dislike against a single woman, to hound her as some disgraceful wretch..
Add in the even worse media we have now, some of the more shocking elements of some social media too.

No wonder these 2 wanted to escape from the near like handcuffed part of life of such an existence.
For me, fortunately, Harry adores his wife and wants to and is, standing with her and beside her all through.

For me, that's the nicest thing to see out of this unhappy situation.

I have said all along, I was surprised Harry could seem to lose sense of duty, with his , grandparents needing to wind down their involvement, so leaving the Royal duties, now to his own Father in his 70s, plus only Brother and sister in law to take on the workloads.

However, looking at the front pages of papers on here, even before they chose to head off.
Looking at other social media.
Then reading the bloodthirsty like character assassination attempts against her by, amazingly, even adult individuals.

I can now excuse him doing that to gain more control, over their lives, his wife's and soon to be childrens safety and likely sanity too.

I again just wish them well.
If they're on something and I want to I'll watch it and listen to them.
I'll agree with them at times and not at other times too.

I may even not bother taking any notice of what they do and certainly won't be digging out every word she's said or all she may or may not have done .
To present her as just about a witch that needs burning at the stake for goodness sake.

Perhaps the middle ages isn't that far back into history as we think.

[jet]

Another extract from the article I posted upthread:


So where do Meghan and Harry go from here? Despite their brittle bravado in the face of this latest demotion, much of the Sussexes' international appeal is contingent on public understanding that they remain enmeshed with, and indispensable to, the Royal Family.

Without that, who or what are they? Just another couple of Hollywood starlets seeking to impress with their charity portfolio, perhaps. In royal circles they remain much loved, but now have about as much official standing as a pair of corgis.

And why should anyone in the world beyond care about them or what they think?

It is no secret that Harry and Meghan were once so desperate to flee the deprivations and imagined horrors of royal life they didn't even have the decency to alert the Queen to their escape plans.

Yet it remains fascinating that despite the growing disdain they now seem to harbour for the House of Windsor, they have never been quite appalled enough to consider giving up being a Duke and a Duchess.

If the Sussexes really wanted to carve out a progressive new role for themselves, surely the encumbrance of these ancient royal titles would have been the first thing to be ditched, in favour of the sunny, Californian, linked-not-ranked meritocracy that they claim to love and admire so much?

Instead, Harry and Meghan still want to enjoy the prestige that these ancient crowns of privilege bring to their celebrity status; their titles are key tools in their battle to capture hearts and minds with the whipped blancmange of their fashionable beliefs, which include climate change, mental health issues and unconscious racism.

As I say, I am sure they mean well. But it is entirely possible to understand their motivations, to agree with their causes, to appreciate their politics, but at the same time still feel that you're being strangled by their double rainbow of smug conceit.

And this latest row with the Queen shows a worrying lack of humility in the face of adversity. 'To do something of meaning, to do something that matters,' was the Sussexes' stated aim when they launched their not-for-profit Archewell Foundation last year.

The name, they told us, was a combination of 'an ancient word for strength and action, and another that evokes the deep resources we each must draw upon'.

Until that point, the only deep resources Harry and Meghan had drawn upon were poor Prince Charles's bank accounts.

All this, and the unstinting support of the Queen, seems to have been forgotten in this week's rather abrupt and unworthy lack of grace towards the Royal Family who have given them both so much.

Yet so much of what the Duke and Duchess of Sussex do and say now seems to raise more questions than answers.

If they really want to lead lives of public service across the world, why didn't they just quietly begin in America by doing good works and letting their philanthropic profile emerge naturally?

Instead of this endless blaze of publicity and self-congratulation?

And while we are here, why can't the pair of them be a little kinder to their own respective families along the way?

Charity begins at home, after all.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...an-Markle.html

[jet]

Best bit for me:

Yet it remains fascinating that despite the growing disdain they now seem to harbour for the House of Windsor, they have never been quite appalled enough to consider giving up being a Duke and a Duchess.

If the Sussexes really wanted to carve out a progressive new role for themselves, surely the encumbrance of these ancient royal titles would have been the first thing to be ditched, in favour of the sunny, Californian, linked-not-ranked meritocracy that they claim to love and admire so much?

:laugh:

[arista]

Great Live Debate
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Natasha Devon MBE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Devon
is taking on callers

One Caller said look at the way Meghan
treated her ex Husband
he claimed she used him to get into Hollywood.

[The Slim Reaper]

Reposting highlights from articles is absolutely genius :joker:

[GoldHeart]

Reposting highlights from articles is absolutely genius :joker:

I didn't even bother to read it

[jet]

Reposting highlights from articles is absolutely genius :joker:

Jets best bits! :fist: :hehe:

[jet]

Great Live Debate
LBC Radio Now



Natasha Devon MBE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Devon
is taking on callers

One Caller said look at the way Meghan
treated her ex Husband
he claimed she used him to get into Hollywood.

Really? :think:

[Glenn.]

Reposting highlights from articles is absolutely genius :joker:

Are even surprised at this point? Time and time again these articles are used to push the hate agenda.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Are even surprised at this point? Time and time again these articles are used to push the hate agenda.

you who called Meghan's sister scum?

:shrug:

[Glenn.]

We have actual evidence of her sisters scumminess though not fabricated nonsense consumed by the gullible.

[jet]

We have actual evidence of her sisters scumminess though not fabricated nonsense consumed by the gullible.

Fabricated nonsense would be making up nonsensical lies, whereas the article is the opinion of a journalist. Lies and opinions are 2 different things.

[Glenn.]

Ok jet

[arista]

Really? :think:


Yes its true

[Tom4784]

Sounds like Harry :hehe:

That makes no sense, but you do you, sis.

[Tom4784]

What I wrote wasn't idle gossip though. Most of it IS verified -
Harry DID say in a radio interview “We will be the family she never had”. It could be on Utube?

That Meghan refused the Palace Aides help to go to Mexico to help her father cope with press intrusion. That was revealed by Palace sources and is verified in their friend Omid’s bio.

Meghans father did work his butt off for her - from Meghan’s own mouth and in her blog before she met Harry.

They WERE invited to her first wedding, so they were good enough to be seen then, but not in public for her marriage to Harry. They were not invited to her marriage to Harry, they were seen not to be there, but lots of celebs were, as seen.

The only point not completely verified is that she froze out her family and some friends after finding fame in Suits, that came from separate accounts from independent friends of hers. I read their accounts and it all rings true to me given her other behavior.

How do you know her father and sister profited that much? It was often said that 'Mr. Markle has received no payment for this article' and the same for Sam's interviews. Did you see the cheques?

That's a whole lot of assumptions, overemphasising and picking and choosing. There's also no justification for selling out their family to the press, in fact your attempts to vindicate them by making out they didn't get paid only makes them look like bigger ******** because that means they attacked their daughter/sister when she was about to get married out of pure spite and vindictiveness.

Are you going to make out that they didn't do it for profit and instead they just did it to cause harm to someone and dampen their day? Are you really going to defend such behaviour after going to lengths to establish that it wasn't need nor greed, that motivated them, but pure viciousness?

Also you keep making out that they aren't profiting from Meghan but did you not say you read Samantha Markle's book? That she had a part 2 in the works? So if what you say is true, she lashed out at Meghan just for the sake of being malicious and then she profited from a book deal.... and you're desperately trying to spin things to make them the victims here? Warped.

[rusticgal]

you who called Meghan's sister scum?

:shrug:


Exactly....clear hatred for someone they don’t know :shrug:

[Glenn.]

Exactly....clear hatred for someone they don’t know :shrug:

Calling out someone for actions they have TAKEN with actual EVIDENCE of the actions isn’t hatred lmao

[joeysteele]

Calling out someone for actions they have TAKEN with actual EVIDENCE of the actions isn’t hatred lmao

No it isn't.
Well said Glenn.

[Cherie]

That makes no sense, but you do you, sis.

Thanks for the go ahead, my life is complete bro

[rusticgal]

Calling out someone for actions they have TAKEN with actual EVIDENCE of the actions isn’t hatred lmao


They told their story...Meghan keeps throwing hers down our necks...we don’t call her scum...so what is the difference?
There is no proof they sold their story...there is no proof Meghan is getting paid for hers.
The chances are they are all doing it for something...they are all cut from the same cloth.

[jet]

That's a whole lot of assumptions, overemphasising and picking and choosing. There's also no justification for selling out their family to the press, in fact your attempts to vindicate them by making out they didn't get paid only makes them look like bigger ******** because that means they attacked their daughter/sister when she was about to get married out of pure spite and vindictiveness.

Are you going to make out that they didn't do it for profit and instead they just did it to cause harm to someone and dampen their day? Are you really going to defend such behaviour after going to lengths to establish that it wasn't need nor greed, that motivated them, but pure viciousness?

Also you keep making out that they aren't profiting from Meghan but did you not say you read Samantha Markle's book? That she had a part 2 in the works? So if what you say is true, she lashed out at Meghan just for the sake of being malicious and then she profited from a book deal.... and you're desperately trying to spin things to make them the victims here? Warped.

They are not assumptions, but as you like to say ‘you are entitled to be wrong.’

Where did I say they didn't get paid? :conf: I said ‘how do you know they got paid THAT MUCH, meaning it was often said of the interviews they ‘did not receive payment’, while on others that wasn’t said.
Whatever, they certainly didn’t get rich from it and I don’t automatically believe they did it out of spite either, for there is no evidence that they were spiteful or vindictive people prior to Meghan cutting them off. I don’t agree with their actions, but I would be more inclined to believe that hurt and humiliation and anger got the better of them.
You keep saying they did all this prior to her wedding, which is inaccurate - most was after the wedding when they saw all these celebs Meghan didn’t know parading into the church while they were spurned - her own family. Then refusing to have any contact with her father whatsoever. The last straw perhaps?
Regarding the book, you assume Samantha lashed out at Meghan for the sake of being malicious - what evidence have you for this - have you read it? You accuse others of saying stuff without evidence... I have read it, and this Amazon review sums it up pretty well:

Gracefully written look into the family history, shows they are a regular family with ups and downs like everyone, if you're looking for a scathing attack on Meghan you won't find it, while it does give a candid in sight to what went wrong, Samantha still covers her sister with love and undeserving grace, yet honest and sometimes shocking revelations about lies and deceit and pain caused. Lots of truth set straight about her father which does confirm Meghans public lies. The book covers fun and hilarious parts of growing up, and painful parts that showed family vulnerability, and details about how close the sisters were and definatly were not strangers to each other.
Glad I bought it, I recommend.

I don't think Samantha is stupid enough to write a pack of lies - Meghan loves a good old lawsuit.

People are entitled to rant about people whose actions they dislike all they want - I do it myself, but to call someone scum is disgusting. They aren’t murderers or rapists. Very low indeed.

[Glenn.]

They told their story...Meghan keeps throwing hers down our necks...we don’t call her scum...so what is the difference?
There is no proof they sold their story...there is no proof Meghan is getting paid for hers.
The chances are they are all doing it for something...they are all cut from the same cloth.

So her family ‘tell their story’ but Meghan ‘keeps throwing hers down our throats’?

As far as in aware Meghan told one reporter that she wasn’t ok whereas the sister is cashing in on a part one of two, ‘tell all’ book.

If you can’t see the difference with that then you’re willingly choosing to not see it. Not that I’m surprised of course.

[Amy Jade]

I can't wait to see it, finally give Meghan a voice that can't be manipulated.

Wonder if it'll be shown over here?

[Tom4784]

They are not assumptions, but as you like to say ‘you are entitled to be wrong.’

Where did I say they didn't get paid? :conf: I said ‘how do you know they got paid THAT MUCH, meaning it was often said of the interviews they ‘did not receive payment’, while on others that wasn’t said.
Whatever, they certainly didn’t get rich from it and I don’t automatically believe they did it out of spite either, for there is no evidence that they were spiteful or vindictive people prior to Meghan cutting them off. I don’t agree with their actions, but I would be more inclined to believe that hurt and humiliation and anger got the better of them.
You keep saying they did all this prior to her wedding, which is inaccurate - most was after the wedding when they saw all these celebs Meghan didn’t know parading into the church while they were spurned - her own family. Then refusing to have any contact with her father whatsoever. The last straw perhaps?
Regarding the book, you assume Samantha lashed out at Meghan for the sake of being malicious - what evidence have you for this - have you read it? You accuse others of saying stuff without evidence... I have read it, and this Amazon review sums it up pretty well:



I don't think Samantha is stupid enough to write a pack of lies - Meghan loves a good old lawsuit.

People are entitled to rant about people whose actions they dislike all they want - I do it myself, but to call someone scum is disgusting. They aren’t murderers or rapists. Very low indeed.

That's a whole lot of confirmation bias.

Pretty much everything you say is hearsay or he said she said that you believe, not because there's compelling evidence but because it paints Meghan in a negative light. If these same 'sources' sung her praises, you would pretend they didn't exist. You can call me wrong all you want, but it will only ever be projection.

Oh, so they sold out their family member for pittance and that makes it okay? Where is the morality? Someone didn't get invited to a wedding and so they decide to trash the person in the press for some coins? Did Samantha turn up at the Christening and curse Archie too because you're making her and her dad out to be Disney villains here. So what's the truth, did they sell out a family member for money, or for spite? Make your choice.

You say you don't agree with their actions but you're tying yourself up in knots to make out that THEIR actions and choices are the fault of Meghan's. If Kate's sister did the same thing to Kate, would you be so willing to defend Pippa to the death or would you defend Kate? My guess is that it would be the latter. You don't have sympathy for the family, they're just spouting their hate and you agree with it. Again, if they sung Meghan's praises, you would act like they didn't exist.

To the average person, with a basic sense of morality and a capability for empathy, what Meghan's family did should be beyond the pale. I couldn't imagine anyone with moral fibre defending their actions.

I saw that monstrous beast's interviews when she was throwing her own sister under the bus. The only reason anyone gave her a book deal would be to trash Meghan because that is the only reason why anyone even knows this woman exists. You certainly wouldn't have cared about her one bit if she was cheering Meghan on. I'm not gullible enough to buy the book of someone who only got a book deal to talk **** about her sister.

I can only laugh at your disingenuous faux outrage about me calling this pair of scum exactly what they are. After all, your passionate defence of them basically revealed, in your own words that they didn't do what they did to become rich, but because they didn't get invited to a wedding and that they were jealous of celebrities that were in attendance, so they went full Maleficent and decided to drag their own family member through the mud. If it looks like scum, acts like scum and smells like scum, it's probably scum.

[Tom4784]

They told their story...Meghan keeps throwing hers down our necks...we don’t call her scum...so what is the difference?
There is no proof they sold their story...there is no proof Meghan is getting paid for hers.
The chances are they are all doing it for something...they are all cut from the same cloth.

So a person can go to the press, throw their family under the press and that's them 'telling their story', but a woman can't talk about her struggles of motherhood, of having a miscarriage and her struggles without being accused of shoving her story down our throats? A glaring lack of basic empathy aside, you really need to iron out the inconsistencies of your view point because the point you are making is nothing less than obscenely hypocritical.

[Gstar]

I’ll be watching with a cute bite to eat

All the people complaining will be watching too

[jet]

That's a whole lot of confirmation bias.

Pretty much everything you say is hearsay or he said she said that you believe, not because there's compelling evidence but because it paints Meghan in a negative light. If these same 'sources' sung her praises, you would pretend they didn't exist. You can call me wrong all you want, but it will only ever be projection.

Oh, so they sold out their family member for pittance and that makes it okay? Where is the morality? Someone didn't get invited to a wedding and so they decide to trash the person in the press for some coins? Did Samantha turn up at the Christening and curse Archie too because you're making her and her dad out to be Disney villains here. So what's the truth, did they sell out a family member for money, or for spite? Make your choice.

You say you don't agree with their actions but you're tying yourself up in knots to make out that THEIR actions and choices are the fault of Meghan's. If Kate's sister did the same thing to Kate, would you be so willing to defend Pippa to the death or would you defend Kate? My guess is that it would be the latter. You don't have sympathy for the family, they're just spouting their hate and you agree with it. Again, if they sung Meghan's praises, you would act like they didn't exist.

To the average person, with a basic sense of morality and a capability for empathy, what Meghan's family did should be beyond the pale. I couldn't imagine anyone with moral fibre defending their actions.

I saw that monstrous beast's interviews when she was throwing her own sister under the bus. The only reason anyone gave her a book deal would be to trash Meghan because that is the only reason why anyone even knows this woman exists. You certainly wouldn't have cared about her one bit if she was cheering Meghan on. I'm not gullible enough to buy the book of someone who only got a book deal to talk **** about her sister.

I can only laugh at your disingenuous faux outrage about me calling this pair of scum exactly what they are. After all, your passionate defence of them basically revealed, in your own words that they didn't do what they did to become rich, but because they didn't get invited to a wedding and that they were jealous of celebrities that were in attendance, so they went full Maleficent and decided to drag their own family member through the mud. If it looks like scum, acts like scum and smells like scum, it's probably scum.

There is an awful lot of spite and vindictiveness in that post from someone who doesn’t care about Meghan that much.
An awful lot of supposition and mind - reading too, as is your way.
Then there are the insults.
All thoroughly unpleasant.
You are angry, which points to you now wondering if the things said about Meghan are true. Imo.
Imagine calling human beings scum and monstrous beasts and thinking you have the moral high ground.
Meghan is using the royal family who she spurned to make big money.
Sam has used Meghan to write a best selling book.
The End.

[jet]

So a person can go to the press, throw their family under the press and that's them 'telling their story', but a woman can't talk about her struggles of motherhood, of having a miscarriage and her struggles without being accused of shoving her story down our throats? A glaring lack of basic empathy aside, you really need to iron out the inconsistencies of your view point because the point you are making is nothing less than obscenely hypocritical.

Rusti's turn to be insulted now, but I'm sure she cares as little as I do what you think.

[Josy]

Ok its clear this thread has now run its course, just endless repetitive posts from the same people turning the discussion towards each other rather than the topic of the thread.