ITV Emerge as Frontrunner to Air Meghan and Harry's Oprah Interview

[Amy Jade]

11 million

Times Radio told us

I've read 12 everywhere

[Jordan.]

i wasn't one of the millions

Didn't watch it :yuk: but did read every detail about it and discuss it online giving them the attention anyway :hee:

[Smithy]

I've read 12 everywhere

12 was the peak

[Smithy]

The most watched programme of the year so far :clap1:

Meghan has her foot on her haters necks :clap1:

[Cherry Christmas]

...I have no idea how accurate this would be, Amy...I just picked it out because it’s the most recent, from an hour ago...

Millions of people in the UK are thought to have tuned in to watch the interview with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex that rocked the Royal Family.

Viewing figures for the interview could be on course to match the almost 23 million viewers who watched the 1995 Princess Diana interview where Harry’s mother lifted the lid on the breakdown of her marriage to Prince Charles.

Demand to watch online was so great that many viewers were left complaining of problems trying to watch it on the ITV Hub site.

The programme, which saw Meghan tell Oprah Winfrey a member of the royal family had raised “concerns” when she was pregnant about how dark her son Archie’s skin would be, was repeated on ITV after it was first shown in the US.



https://www.standard.co.uk/insider/royals/meghan-markle-harry-oprah-interview-itv-millions-watch-b922944.html


The power of Diana pulling in all those viewers, imagine if we had been in lockdown :clap1:

Harry and Meghan are not a patch on her

and bear in mind she regretted the interview with Bashir, so they took no lessons from her either

[Jordan.]

Lmao trying to act like 11M overnight is bad in the streaming era

[Good King Glennceslas]

Imagine pulling the ratings apart as a way of diminishing its impact.

[Smithy]

Comparing 1995 ratings to 2021 ratings I’m SCREAMING :joker::joker::joker:

[Amy Jade]

Lmao trying to act like 11M overnight is bad in the streaming era

Could have gotten double and certain people would dismiss it as terrible.

The same who think racism is okay if it's in 'CoNTeXt'

[Smithy]

Lmao trying to act like 11M overnight is bad in the streaming era

Bless, I guess certain demographics don’t understand how much the tv landscape has changed from almost THREE DECADES AGO :skull:

[jet]

The power of Diana pulling in all those viewers, imagine if we had been in lockdown :clap1:

Harry and Meghan are not a patch on her

and bear in mind she regretted the interview with Bashir, so they took no lessons from her either

Neighbors hearing the sound of smashed crockery coming from a mansion in Monticito. :hehe:

[Nicky91]

11m is great considering not many people watch tv anymore

[arista]

Its on ITV1HD again tonight

10:45pm-12:30AM

[Cherry Christmas]

11m is great considering not many people watch tv anymore

and yet so many watched it live, so thirsty for drama!

[LukeB]

Could have gotten double and certain people would dismiss it as terrible.

The same who think racism is okay if it's in 'CoNTeXt'

:laugh:

It will be higher when we hear the officials when they add stream numbers.

[ChristmasNeeve]

and yet so many watched it live, so thirsty for drama!

Hey, we're in the middle of a Lock down, can you blame anyone :hehe:

[Cherry Christmas]

Hey, we're in the middle of a Lock down, can you blame anyone :hehe:

Literally no, which is why I thought the numbers would be far higher for the live broadcast!

[Mitchell]

The most watched programme of the year so far :clap1:

Meghan has her foot on her haters necks :clap1:

The people have spoken :love: :clap1: #ClapforMeghan

[arista]

Some Caller on Ch5HD AM Live
at 9:51AM just said the press hounded Caroline Flack to her death????


These Callers are Potty

[Amy Jade]

Some Caller on Ch5HD AM Live
at 9:51AM just said the press hounded Caroline Flack to her death????


These Callers are Potty

The press did hound her to her death.

[arista]

The press did hound her to her death.


You can not say that
She was not mentally fit.

[Kazanne]

The one thing I hate is the narrative that Archie was banned from being a Prince for being mixed race when anybody who knows anything about the Royal Family knows only grandchildren in the direct line of throne get titles

Yes this has been pointed out on TV this morning so nothing to do with his race just the royal rules, so that is a bit misleading by some of the media.

[arista]

Even ITV1HD this morning
took public callers in.

[Amy Jade]

You can not say that
She was not mentally fit.

I can say what I want.

The press relentlessly hounded Caroline, they were well aware she was struggling mentally with her friends, family and even her boyfriend asking them to stop. They went past reporting on the assault and made jokes out of the situation.

She killed herself because of the relentless media coverage and you can't change my mind.

[Amy Jade]

You can not say that
She was not mentally fit.

I can say what I want.

The press relentlessly hounded Caroline, they were well aware she was struggling mentally with her friends, family and even her boyfriend asking them to stop. They went past reporting on the assault and made jokes out of the situation.

She killed herself because of the relentless media coverage and you can't change my mind.

[arista]

Meghans Dad GMBHD itv clip
just shown on BBCnewsHD

[arista]

I can say what I want.

The press relentlessly hounded Caroline, they were well aware she was struggling mentally with her friends, family and even her boyfriend asking them to stop. They went past reporting on the assault and made jokes out of the situation.

She killed herself because of the relentless media coverage and you can't change my mind.



Yes he was ignored.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The press did hound her to her death.

That is incorrect and just a false narrative. Speed, drugs, drink and no seatbelt killed her, a fact that was established by a court.

[Smithy]

That is incorrect and just a false narrative. Speed, drugs, drink and no seatbelt killed her, a fact that was established by a court.

You’re so quick to act like you know what you’re talking about it’s embarrassing; try reading first, they’re talking about Caroline flack

[arista]

[ITV rebounds from £205m Covid slump
as 11m watch Harry and Meghan
Broadcaster, which won UK rights to
Oprah Winfrey interview,
returns to growth after fall in profits last year]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/09/itv-harry-meghan-covid-uk-oprah-winfrey-interview-profits

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Yes this has been pointed out on TV this morning so nothing to do with his race just the royal rules, so that is a bit misleading by some of the media.

Harry's children will automatically get back titles when Prince Charles become king.

[Cherry Christmas]

[ITV rebounds from £205m Covid slump
as 11m watch Harry and Meghan
Broadcaster, which won UK rights to
Oprah Winfrey interview,
returns to growth after fall in profits last year]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/09/itv-harry-meghan-covid-uk-oprah-winfrey-interview-profits

not Harry and Megs contributing to the racist UK economy :D

[Christmas Dynasnow]

You’re so quick to act like you know what you’re talking about it’s embarrassing; try reading first, they’re talking about Caroline flack

She (Flack) killed herself before her trial for domestic abuse where she attacked her boyfriend in the dead of night with a lamp. The CPS pushed for the trial to go aherad based on the evidence set forth before them

She had a great relationship with the press and regularly attended events held by the tabloids and her management used the tabloids to gain promo for whatever tv she was doing to raise her profile.

[jet]

Piers Morgan full article:

Sickening.
Shameful.
Self-pitying.
Salacious.
Scandalous.
Sanctimonious.
Spectacularly self-serving.
Those were just my initial thoughts after ten minutes of the Oprah whine-athon with Meghan and Harry, and while restricting myself to only using words beginning with the letter 's'.

By the time I'd finished the whole two-hour orgy of pious, self-indulgent, score-settling twaddle, the steam was erupting out of my ears like an exploding geyser, and my lexicon of rageful epithets extended to the full range of the alphabet.
Never have I watched a more repulsively disingenuous interview.
Nor one more horrendously hypocritical or contradictory.
Here we had the Duke and Duchess of Privacy flinging out the filthy family laundry for the delectation of tens of millions of people all over the world, whilst simultaneously bleating about press intrusion.

They moaned about the terrible pain of their royal titles but were also outraged their son Archie wasn't allowed to be a Prince.
They told of their constant trauma from nasty newspaper stories, but repeatedly insisted they never read any of them.
They claimed they were forced to sign gazillion-dollar deals with Netflix and Spotify because Prince Charles cut off their allowance, despite Harry inheriting millions from his late mother Princess Diana and having his entire life bankrolled by the Royal Family.
And so, it went nauseatingly on.

In the middle of a pandemic that has already taken over 2.5 million lives, a staggeringly rich and entitled couple living in a $14 million sun-kissed California mansion wanted us all to know that THEY are the real victims around here.
Meghan even compared her former life living in a palace to the crippling freedom-robbing existence of coronavirus lockdowns, which must have sounded so empathetic to large families living at the top of tower blocks with three kids they're trying to home-school and no job to pay for food.
'I couldn't even meet my friends for lunch!' wailed the Duchess of Delusion, who flew to New York for a $500,000 baby shower with all her new-found celebrity pals, then flew back to London like any good eco-warrior on George Clooney's carbon footprint guzzling private jet.
But amid all the relatively trivial gossipy stuff emerged some incredibly damaging bombshells deliberately detonated to do maximum damage to the British Royal Family and the Monarchy.

First, Meghan claimed to have been left suicidal by the pressure of being a Princess and had her requests for help rejected by the cold, heartless Palace.
We weren't told who did the rejecting, or why she couldn't seek her own therapy or treatment if that's what she felt she needed. After all, her husband has spent years talking about mental health and has close connections with all the major mental health charities.
Instead, we're left to believe the Palace spurned a pregnant suicidal woman in her hour of desperate need.
But that wasn't even the most explosive revelation.
No, that came when Meghan told Oprah that a member of the Royal Family had queried what colour her baby would be during a conversation with Harry.
In fact, she said there were several conversations, whereas he said there was only one.
But neither of them would name the offending Royal.
Harry said he would never reveal the name.
So, we're now left to view all the Royals as racists.
Nor were we given any details of exactly what was said, or in what context it was said.
Would an older senior Royal innocently asking Harry what skin colour his baby might have, given that Meghan's mother is black and her father white, constitute racism?
It would if there was any derogatory tone to the question, or any suggestion that it would be a problem how dark the child's skin was. But we don't know the answers to those vital questions, because having let off the racism bomb, the Sussexes won't say any more.
I find that cowardly.
And the racism charge got worse.

Meghan followed up by asserting, without providing any evidence, that the Royal Family decided to change the rules specifically to prevent her son Archie from being a Prince, because of his skin colour.
Again, no name was given for the appalling racist at the Palace responsible for such a disgusting discriminatory decision.
But, as Meghan and Harry both know, the only person who has final say over titles is the Queen.
So, in making this astonishing unproven claim, they're effectively branding Her Majesty, Harry's grandmother, a racist.
It's hard to think of a more disgraceful slur to make against a woman who has devoted her whole life to the service of her country and the Commonwealth.
The Queen is not a racist and has never been a racist.
To even suggest that she might be is disgusting.

But to do so at a time when her 99-year-old husband Prince Philip has spent the past few weeks lying seriously ill in hospital is worse than that, it's contemptible.
Nothing that Meghan Markle said in this interview surprised me.
From the moment Oprah announced her scoop, I predicted to anyone who asked me that Meghan would aggressively play the mental health and race cards to deflect from any criticism of herself and her own behaviour or accountability.
I also cynically suspect it's the reason why she chose to do such a sensational interview when she's five months pregnant. Why would any woman do that after suffering a miscarriage last year, knowing the obvious controversy, media attention, and stress it would provoke? The answer, I fear, is that she thought the pregnancy would afford her another layer of protection against the inevitable furore and criticism that would result from her trashing the Royal Family.

Having had personal experience, on a very small scale, of Meghan Markle's ruthlessness when dispensing of anyone in her life that's ceased to be of use to her, it was no great shock to see her lighting a gigantic bonfire that will surely cause irreparable damage to her husband's family.
After all, she's torched all her own family, along with her ex-husband and most of her old friends.
This was the acting performance of her life, with every word, every facial expression carefully planned and choreographed.
In fact, it it's not late, someone should nominate it for the Oscars.
I mean, this is a woman who was photographed on the railings of Buckingham Palace as a starry-eyed teenager but now wants us to believe she knew nothing about the Royals and never once Googled her handsome Prince when they met.
Given these are both obvious lies, why should we believe anything that comes out of her mouth?
'Nobody told me how to curtsy or sing the British national anthem,' wailed a 39-year-old woman, married to someone who can probably help with both.

But make no mistake, this interview will be a triumph for Meghan in America. Her narrative of a poor, vulnerable, unsuspecting bi-racial woman thrown to the wolves by a white, racist Royal Family and racist British press is already being heralded as 'courageous' and 'brave' and 'iconic' across the United States.
She's got exactly what she wants: her homeland feeling sorry for her.
And woe betide anyone who criticises Meghan, for you will be instantly lambasted as a 'racist bully' towards a woman who stands accused of subjecting her own young female Palace staff to horrendous bullying.
But what about Prince Harry, and his own homeland of Great Britain?

How on earth could he allow his wife to take down his family like this on TV, and attack and belittle the very institution held so dear by his grandmother?
He even let her chuck his brother William's wife Kate - a woman who has never once said a bad word about Meghan in public - under the bus by saying she made her cry in a row over kids' wedding dresses.
That 'space', which is how Harry framed his current fractured relationship with William, will now be the size of 1000 Grand Canyons.
And then Harry gleefully joined in the Sopranos-style whacking too, revealing incredibly intimate secrets about his father Prince Charles of the type that he would scream in fury over if they'd been revealed by the tabloid press.
He claimed Charles stopped taking his calls last January after he and Meghan quit their country and the Royal Family and cut off his massive financial allowance too. And Harry's still furious with his Dad, apparently, for letting him down.

Yet, what has Charles done wrong exactly, other than try to deal with his headstrong younger son's constant self-pitying hunger for drama?
He bankrolled Harry and Meghan for years, and even stepped in to walk her down the aisle when her father pulled out after suffering a heart attack and was disowned by his daughter (where were Oprah 'nothing's off limits' Winfrey questions about that?) - yet they now pay him back with this open back-stabbing treachery.
Harry disloyally says Charles and William are 'trapped' in the institution of the Monarchy because they are the heirs to the throne.
'They don't get to leave, and I have huge compassion for that,' he claimed.
Oh please.
He and Meghan bang on endlessly about their compassion yet show the complete opposite to their own families.

If Charles or William wanted to leave, they could do exactly what Harry's done, and what Edward VIII did when he abdicated the throne.
Any royal can 'leave'.
But only Edward and Harry actually did it, both coincidentally after falling in love with American women.
The only difference is that Edward and Wallis Simpson never spoke badly in public about the Royal Family or trashed the Monarchy.
Within hours of the Oprah interview airing, the hashtag #AbolishTheMonarchy was trending on Twitter.
That's the effect that Meghan and Harry's accusations have had with their shockingly poisonous allegations.
Ms Markle won't care about the damage she's done to an institution she clearly reviles.
But Harry should.
The fact he's so willingly taken part in such a despicable public attack on the Royal Family – HIS family - and the Monarchy is utterly shameful.
And to have caused so much extra hurt to his 94-year-old grandmother the Queen at a time when her husband lies seriously ill in hospital, is just appalling.
When it comes to mental health and having a heart, it appears Meghan and Harry only care about themselves.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

brilliant article

"The fact he's so willingly taken part in such a despicable public attack on the Royal Family – HIS family - and the Monarchy is utterly shameful.
And to have caused so much extra hurt to his 94-year-old grandmother the Queen at a time when her husband lies seriously ill in hospital, is just appalling.
When it comes to mental health and having a heart, it appears Meghan and Harry only care about themselves."

[Zizu]

Harry's children will automatically get back titles when Prince Charles become king.



Imagine being such a useless waste of space becoming our King and that dreadful woman being Queen !!


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[Zizu]

brilliant article

"The fact he's so willingly taken part in such a despicable public attack on the Royal Family – HIS family - and the Monarchy is utterly shameful.
And to have caused so much extra hurt to his 94-year-old grandmother the Queen at a time when her husband lies seriously ill in hospital, is just appalling.
When it comes to mental health and having a heart, it appears Meghan and Harry only care about themselves."



Do you really care that much for ol’ Phil ??


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[Christmas Dynasnow]

Do you really care that much for ol’ Phil ??


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my mother just spent 8 weeks in hospital so i am aware how stressful for the family it is in a Pandemic

[SherzyK]

my mother just spent 8 weeks in hospital so i am aware how stressful for the family it is in a Pandemic

I’m sorry to hear about your mother but I’d expect more compassion and empathy from your side considering Harry’s grandfather is also in hospital.

[arista]

1369204980058570752

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/ad_img/1369267537280720898/GANBh7dm?format=jpg&name=small

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I haven't seen the interview yet, only bits and pieces.
Will have a look later.

[arista]

1369267129594376196

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Imagine being such a useless waste of space becoming our King and that dreadful woman being Queen !!


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Camilla won't be queen.
At least not in my eyes.

[arista]

I haven't seen the interview yet, only bits and pieces.
Will have a look later.




Yes I watched it Fast forwarding Ads

When the Piano music comes on
that's just before each add
Not a Full 2 Hours

1 Hour 45mins
Of course in USA ads are more that we have.



It needed to be Live
instead, loads more is coming out afterwards
The 15mins or more
to come out in little edits.

[joeysteele]

Camilla won't be queen.
At least not in my eyes.

I couldn't see the public standing for that.

I don't think the public actually want Prince Charles as King anyway.

They'd rather he stepped aside and handed it to Prince William.

Of course we don't elect a King or Queen.
However no way can I see Camilla being titled Queen.
She'll get some other title likely.

[Parmy]

11m is great considering not many people watch tv anymore

It's not that good when 5.5million people are watching cause they hate you.

[arista]

1369245908634894337

[Amy Jade]

That is incorrect and just a false narrative. Speed, drugs, drink and no seatbelt killed her, a fact that was established by a court.

Imagine if you read posts before replying and embarrassing yourself like this

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I couldn't see the public standing for that.

I don't think the public actually want Prince Charles as King anyway.

They'd rather he stepped aside and handed it to Prince William.

Of course we don't elect a King or Queen.
However no way can I see Camilla being titled Queen.
She'll get some other title likely.

Yes. Prince William would make a great king.

[Zizu]

Yes. Prince William would make a great king.



I think they should let the Public vote !!

King Harry is the only way to save the Royal family from extinction ..!!!!!


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[Rustic bauble]

1369267129594376196


I cant stand James Obrien...condescending twat.

[Rustic bauble]

Piers Morgan full article:

Sickening.
Shameful.
Self-pitying.
Salacious.
Scandalous.
Sanctimonious.
Spectacularly self-serving.
Those were just my initial thoughts after ten minutes of the Oprah whine-athon with Meghan and Harry, and while restricting myself to only using words beginning with the letter 's'.

By the time I'd finished the whole two-hour orgy of pious, self-indulgent, score-settling twaddle, the steam was erupting out of my ears like an exploding geyser, and my lexicon of rageful epithets extended to the full range of the alphabet.
Never have I watched a more repulsively disingenuous interview.
Nor one more horrendously hypocritical or contradictory.
Here we had the Duke and Duchess of Privacy flinging out the filthy family laundry for the delectation of tens of millions of people all over the world, whilst simultaneously bleating about press intrusion.

They moaned about the terrible pain of their royal titles but were also outraged their son Archie wasn't allowed to be a Prince.
They told of their constant trauma from nasty newspaper stories, but repeatedly insisted they never read any of them.
They claimed they were forced to sign gazillion-dollar deals with Netflix and Spotify because Prince Charles cut off their allowance, despite Harry inheriting millions from his late mother Princess Diana and having his entire life bankrolled by the Royal Family.
And so, it went nauseatingly on.

In the middle of a pandemic that has already taken over 2.5 million lives, a staggeringly rich and entitled couple living in a $14 million sun-kissed California mansion wanted us all to know that THEY are the real victims around here.
Meghan even compared her former life living in a palace to the crippling freedom-robbing existence of coronavirus lockdowns, which must have sounded so empathetic to large families living at the top of tower blocks with three kids they're trying to home-school and no job to pay for food.
'I couldn't even meet my friends for lunch!' wailed the Duchess of Delusion, who flew to New York for a $500,000 baby shower with all her new-found celebrity pals, then flew back to London like any good eco-warrior on George Clooney's carbon footprint guzzling private jet.
But amid all the relatively trivial gossipy stuff emerged some incredibly damaging bombshells deliberately detonated to do maximum damage to the British Royal Family and the Monarchy.

First, Meghan claimed to have been left suicidal by the pressure of being a Princess and had her requests for help rejected by the cold, heartless Palace.
We weren't told who did the rejecting, or why she couldn't seek her own therapy or treatment if that's what she felt she needed. After all, her husband has spent years talking about mental health and has close connections with all the major mental health charities.
Instead, we're left to believe the Palace spurned a pregnant suicidal woman in her hour of desperate need.
But that wasn't even the most explosive revelation.
No, that came when Meghan told Oprah that a member of the Royal Family had queried what colour her baby would be during a conversation with Harry.
In fact, she said there were several conversations, whereas he said there was only one.
But neither of them would name the offending Royal.
Harry said he would never reveal the name.
So, we're now left to view all the Royals as racists.
Nor were we given any details of exactly what was said, or in what context it was said.
Would an older senior Royal innocently asking Harry what skin colour his baby might have, given that Meghan's mother is black and her father white, constitute racism?
It would if there was any derogatory tone to the question, or any suggestion that it would be a problem how dark the child's skin was. But we don't know the answers to those vital questions, because having let off the racism bomb, the Sussexes won't say any more.
I find that cowardly.
And the racism charge got worse.

Meghan followed up by asserting, without providing any evidence, that the Royal Family decided to change the rules specifically to prevent her son Archie from being a Prince, because of his skin colour.
Again, no name was given for the appalling racist at the Palace responsible for such a disgusting discriminatory decision.
But, as Meghan and Harry both know, the only person who has final say over titles is the Queen.
So, in making this astonishing unproven claim, they're effectively branding Her Majesty, Harry's grandmother, a racist.
It's hard to think of a more disgraceful slur to make against a woman who has devoted her whole life to the service of her country and the Commonwealth.
The Queen is not a racist and has never been a racist.
To even suggest that she might be is disgusting.

But to do so at a time when her 99-year-old husband Prince Philip has spent the past few weeks lying seriously ill in hospital is worse than that, it's contemptible.
Nothing that Meghan Markle said in this interview surprised me.
From the moment Oprah announced her scoop, I predicted to anyone who asked me that Meghan would aggressively play the mental health and race cards to deflect from any criticism of herself and her own behaviour or accountability.
I also cynically suspect it's the reason why she chose to do such a sensational interview when she's five months pregnant. Why would any woman do that after suffering a miscarriage last year, knowing the obvious controversy, media attention, and stress it would provoke? The answer, I fear, is that she thought the pregnancy would afford her another layer of protection against the inevitable furore and criticism that would result from her trashing the Royal Family.

Having had personal experience, on a very small scale, of Meghan Markle's ruthlessness when dispensing of anyone in her life that's ceased to be of use to her, it was no great shock to see her lighting a gigantic bonfire that will surely cause irreparable damage to her husband's family.
After all, she's torched all her own family, along with her ex-husband and most of her old friends.
This was the acting performance of her life, with every word, every facial expression carefully planned and choreographed.
In fact, it it's not late, someone should nominate it for the Oscars.
I mean, this is a woman who was photographed on the railings of Buckingham Palace as a starry-eyed teenager but now wants us to believe she knew nothing about the Royals and never once Googled her handsome Prince when they met.
Given these are both obvious lies, why should we believe anything that comes out of her mouth?
'Nobody told me how to curtsy or sing the British national anthem,' wailed a 39-year-old woman, married to someone who can probably help with both.

But make no mistake, this interview will be a triumph for Meghan in America. Her narrative of a poor, vulnerable, unsuspecting bi-racial woman thrown to the wolves by a white, racist Royal Family and racist British press is already being heralded as 'courageous' and 'brave' and 'iconic' across the United States.
She's got exactly what she wants: her homeland feeling sorry for her.
And woe betide anyone who criticises Meghan, for you will be instantly lambasted as a 'racist bully' towards a woman who stands accused of subjecting her own young female Palace staff to horrendous bullying.
But what about Prince Harry, and his own homeland of Great Britain?

How on earth could he allow his wife to take down his family like this on TV, and attack and belittle the very institution held so dear by his grandmother?
He even let her chuck his brother William's wife Kate - a woman who has never once said a bad word about Meghan in public - under the bus by saying she made her cry in a row over kids' wedding dresses.
That 'space', which is how Harry framed his current fractured relationship with William, will now be the size of 1000 Grand Canyons.
And then Harry gleefully joined in the Sopranos-style whacking too, revealing incredibly intimate secrets about his father Prince Charles of the type that he would scream in fury over if they'd been revealed by the tabloid press.
He claimed Charles stopped taking his calls last January after he and Meghan quit their country and the Royal Family and cut off his massive financial allowance too. And Harry's still furious with his Dad, apparently, for letting him down.

Yet, what has Charles done wrong exactly, other than try to deal with his headstrong younger son's constant self-pitying hunger for drama?
He bankrolled Harry and Meghan for years, and even stepped in to walk her down the aisle when her father pulled out after suffering a heart attack and was disowned by his daughter (where were Oprah 'nothing's off limits' Winfrey questions about that?) - yet they now pay him back with this open back-stabbing treachery.
Harry disloyally says Charles and William are 'trapped' in the institution of the Monarchy because they are the heirs to the throne.
'They don't get to leave, and I have huge compassion for that,' he claimed.
Oh please.
He and Meghan bang on endlessly about their compassion yet show the complete opposite to their own families.

If Charles or William wanted to leave, they could do exactly what Harry's done, and what Edward VIII did when he abdicated the throne.
Any royal can 'leave'.
But only Edward and Harry actually did it, both coincidentally after falling in love with American women.
The only difference is that Edward and Wallis Simpson never spoke badly in public about the Royal Family or trashed the Monarchy.
Within hours of the Oprah interview airing, the hashtag #AbolishTheMonarchy was trending on Twitter.
That's the effect that Meghan and Harry's accusations have had with their shockingly poisonous allegations.
Ms Markle won't care about the damage she's done to an institution she clearly reviles.
But Harry should.
The fact he's so willingly taken part in such a despicable public attack on the Royal Family – HIS family - and the Monarchy is utterly shameful.
And to have caused so much extra hurt to his 94-year-old grandmother the Queen at a time when her husband lies seriously ill in hospital, is just appalling.
When it comes to mental health and having a heart, it appears Meghan and Harry only care about themselves.


I dont like Piers Morgan...but I agree with everything he says here.

[LukeB]

1369267129594376196

He is right

Some do need to be more compassionate about stuff rather than toxic and abusive.

[Rustic bauble]

Yes. Prince William would make a great king.


He will...and Kate will make a great Queen.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I think they should let the Public vote !!

King Harry is the only way to save the Royal family from extinction ..!!!!!


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Yes, but I dont think Harry wants to do it.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

He is right

Some do need to be more compassionate about stuff rather than toxic and abusive.

I say we start by not branding people as "haters" because they happen to have a different opinion

#BeKind

[LukeB]

I say we start by not branding people as "haters" because they happen to have a different opinion

#BeKind

Then people need to stop giving people a reason to say haters :shrug: It's really not normal to constantly abuse someone everyday. It's not really about having a different opinion it's about the treatment Meghan and Harry recieve on a daily bases. Many many many people are getting bored of it all.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

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[Christmas Dynasnow]

Then people need to stop giving people a reason to say haters :shrug: It's really not normal to constantly abuse someone everyday. It's not really about having a different opinion it's about the treatment Meghan and Harry recieve on a daily bases. Many many many people are getting bored of it all.

More are bored of them and their constant media pity party

lets just see where the private abused couple pop-up next shall we....

[Rustic bauble]

I say we start by not branding people as "haters" because they happen to have a different opinion

#BeKind


:clap1:

[Amy Jade]

Don't be so hateful and you won't be branded a hater?

[LukeB]

Don't be so hateful and you won't be branded a hater?

Espically since you have comments about disliking her because of how she annouced her miscarriage or people saying Harry is using the sympathy card and milking it when talking about his own mother.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I cant stand James Obrien...condescending twat.

you missed out slithering

[joeysteele]

Then people need to stop giving people a reason to say haters :shrug: It's really not normal to constantly abuse someone everyday. It's not really about having a different opinion it's about the treatment Meghan and Harry recieve on a daily bases. Many many many people are getting bored of it all.


I agree Luke.
They certainly cannot be termed as liking them can they, if all they can do is fire negativity after negativity at her, then say all she says is lies.

That's more like the actions of those probably who do intensely like someone.

I agree with every word you've said in your post.

[LukeB]

I agree Luke.
They certainly cannot be termed as liking them can they, if all they can do is fire negativity after negativity at her, then say all she says is lies.

That's more like the actions of those probably who do intensely like someone.

I agree with every word you've said in your post.

:clap1:

People can dislike her all they want but there comes to a point where it is OTT but where is this energy towards others who have actually done bad stuff?

Also people need to wake up to the fact the royal family aren't all that great and perfect. Investigating Meghan but protecting a peadophile is awful and we also have an adulterer in there too.

I'm for one happy Harry and Meghan made the best move and left which could have saved their lives. Let them live their life without the constant abuse

[Christmas Dynasnow]

calling people names is calling people names and is an age-old tactic to avoid making an actual argument.

calling someone a “hater” is the epitome of divisive. It is “otherizing” someone. Calling someone a “hater” attempts to put them deliberately in an inferior group and dismiss whatever they say.

[Rustic bauble]

calling people names is calling people names and is an age-old tactic to avoid making an actual argument.

calling someone a “hater” is the epitome of divisive. It is “otherizing” someone. Calling someone a “hater” attempts to put them deliberately in an inferior group and dismiss whatever they say.


Yes...its pathetic. Best just to ignore it.

[Josy]

Keep on topic and stop mini modding in here.

[Zizu]

Yes, but I dont think Harry wants to do it.



I think he will come round to the idea .. .


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[Zizu]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/03/09/12/40247104-0-image-a-18_1615293049584.jpg



You really respect what this person says ??

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[arista]

Prince Charles laughs and jokes at
first public engagements since Oprah revelations Today

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-charles-seen-in-public-for-first-time-since-meghan-and-harry-interview-12240659

[Rustic bauble]

Prince Charles laughs and jokes at
first public engagements since Oprah revelations Today

https://news.sky.com/story/prince-charles-seen-in-public-for-first-time-since-meghan-and-harry-interview-12240659


He has a job to do....he possibly didnt want to be there but he had to rise above it and put on a brave face.

[Denver]

One thing that plays on my mind is how could they have got married 3 days before without witnesses? You can not get married without 2 witnesses

[arista]

Official Statement from the Queen
released.


[The royal family is “saddened to learn the full extent of how challenging
the last few years have been for Harry and Meghan” and the issues raised
around race are “concerning” and “will be addressed by the family privately”,
Buckingham Palace said in a statement.]

[Zizu]

He has a job to do....he possibly didnt want to be there but he had to rise above it and put on a brave face.



Charlie probably doesn’t even know that Harry left the Army and got married ..


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[arista]

1369340079865487366

[Cherry Christmas]

One thing that plays on my mind is how could they have got married 3 days before without witnesses? You can not get married without 2 witnesses

It wasn't a wedding it was an exchange of vows

[Cherry Christmas]

Official Statement from the Queen
released.


[The royal family is “saddened to learn the full extent of how challenging
the last few years have been for Harry and Meghan” and the issues raised
around race are “concerning” and “will be addressed by the family privately”,
Buckingham Palace said in a statement.]

where is the important bit about 'recollections vary'?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

One thing that plays on my mind is how could they have got married 3 days before without witnesses? You can not get married without 2 witnesses

Yes, I don't think that ceremony was a real wedding.
It had no witnesses.

[arista]

[Buckingham Palace has issued a statement
in response to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's
interview with Oprah Winfrey,
saying issues of race are "concerning" and "will be addressed".
Following the explosive interview airing
in full on UK television last night,
a palace spokesman s
aid: "The whole family is saddened to learn
the full extent of how challenging the last
few years have been for Harry and Meghan.

"The issues raised, particularly that of race,
are concerning. Whilst some recollections
may vary, they are taken very seriously and
will be addressed by the family privately.

"Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved family members."]


https://news.sky.com/story/race-allegations-concerning-and-will-be-addressed-says-palace-after-harry-and-meghan-interview-12240160

[Cherry Christmas]

[Buckingham Palace has issued a statement
in response to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's
interview with Oprah Winfrey,
saying issues of race are "concerning" and "will be addressed".
Following the explosive interview airing
in full on UK television last night,
a palace spokesman s
aid: "The whole family is saddened to learn
the full extent of how challenging the last
few years have been for Harry and Meghan.

"The issues raised, particularly that of race,
are concerning. Whilst some recollections
may vary, they are taken very seriously and
will be addressed by the family privately.

"Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved family members."]


https://news.sky.com/story/race-allegations-concerning-and-will-be-addressed-says-palace-after-harry-and-meghan-interview-12240160

Thank you, a dignified and thoughtful response as usual

Liz isn't Jeremy Kyle fodder

[Zizu]

where is the important bit about 'recollections vary'?



Yes ... that’s the key point :)

They’ve clearly had an emergency meeting and this is purely damage limitation... too little too late though.

The shockwave has spread across the world already ...


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[Rustic bauble]

Charlie probably doesn’t even know that Harry left the Army and got married ..


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You mean Harry didnt tell him :laugh:

[Cherry Christmas]

Charlie probably doesn’t even know that Harry left the Army and got married ..


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Given Megs was happy for him to walk her down the aisle I think he might have a clue!

[jet]

[QUOTE=arista;11014352]Official Statement from the Queen
released.Buckingham Palace has issued a statement
in response to the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's
interview with Oprah Winfrey,
saying issues of race are "concerning" and "will be addressed".
Following the explosive interview airing
in full on UK television last night,
a palace spokesman s
aid: "The whole family is saddened to learn
the full extent of how challenging the last
few years have been for Harry and Meghan.

"The issues raised, particularly that of race,
are concerning. Whilst some recollections
may vary, they are taken very seriously and
will be addressed by the family privately.

"Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved family members."]


The dignity, patience and restraint of the Queen is typical. :love:

That selfish pair have put a 94 yr old woman through hell while her husband lies very ill in hospital....and its clear many would treat their own grandparents the same way as they don't see anything wrong with it.

[Rustic bauble]

Thank you, a dignified and thoughtful response as usual

Liz isn't Jeremy Kyle fodder


I agree...cleverly done.

[Rustic bauble]

Given Megs was happy for him to walk her down the aisle I think he might have a clue!


He had his uses....

[Cherry Christmas]

Yes ... that’s the key point :)

They’ve clearly had an emergency meeting and this is purely damage limitation... too little too late though.

The shockwave has spread across the world already ...


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It is important though, it is from 4 years ago, so unless there is audio or witnesses to the event, it is one persons word against another

and one person is carrying a teeny tiny grudge after being cut off financially :laugh:

[Christmas Lights]

Classic bully move. When confronted and stood up to, the bully has to flee.

He's utterly pathetic, Alex stood up to him and made good sensible points . But spineless Piers can't handle it so he storms off like a coward .

Piers probably had a little cry behind the scenes , he's clearly still bitter about Meghan not being his friend:joker: .

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The dignity, patience and restraint of the Queen is typical. :love:

That selfish pair have put a 94 yr old woman through hell while her husband lies very ill in hospital....and its clear many would treat their own grandparents the same way as they don't see anything wrong with it.

For me that is the takeaway from this week

the incredibly selfish act by two people who should know better

ungrateful and downright shocking. I personally cannot understand how anyone could say what they did was positive.

The blot on their copybook will never be rubbed out or forgotton

[Zizu]

Given Megs was happy for him to walk her down the aisle I think he might have a clue!



He’s slept since then though


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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwDgLTUXYAkTBRV?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Zizu]

It is important though, it is from 4 years ago, so unless there is audio or witnesses to the event, it is one persons word against another



and one person is carrying a teeny tiny grudge after being cut off financially :laugh:



The ‘recollections’ part suggests to me that they’ve had an emergency meeting about this and the culprit has admitted everything and now it’s damage limitation


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[jet]

For me that is the takeaway from this week

the incredibly selfish act by two people who should know better

ungrateful and downright shocking. I personally cannot understand how anyone could say what they did was positive.

The blot on their copybook will never be rubbed out or forgotton

I don't think there was any defenders of the Sussexes' who condemned this aspect, or at least I didn't see it. While I wasn't surprised by many, in other cases it was an eye - opener.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The ‘recollections’ part suggests to me that they’ve had an emergency meeting about this and the culprit has admitted everything and now it’s damage limitation


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i doubt that

can anyone on tibb remember a conversation casually had 4 years ago with any intent, accuracy or context

id imagine people would find one from last week difficult

[Cherry Christmas]

The ‘recollections’ part suggests to me that they’ve had an emergency meeting about this and the culprit has admitted everything and now it’s damage limitation


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'recollections vary' suggests the person does not recall the words being used in a racist context

I think it is William, given this happened before the Wedding, and the body language of the two brothers on the day there was no issue or if there was an issue, Harry will be box office in Hollywood next, because if it was Charles, would Megs have let him walk her down the aisle

[Zizu]

i doubt that



can anyone on tibb remember a conversation casually had 4 years ago with any intent, accuracy or context



id imagine people would find one from last week difficult



They’d remember it because it probably caused a hell of a row at the time ..


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[Cherry Christmas]

They’d remember it because it probably caused a hell of a row at the time ..


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it was before the wedding but there was no rift with William or Charles at that point, seems odd don't you think?

[jet]

it was before the wedding but there was no rift with William or Charles at that point, seems odd don't you think?

Yep, Harry said it happened before the wedding. Good point.

[Zizu]

'recollections vary' suggests the person does not recall the words being used in a racist context



I think it is William, given this happened before the Wedding, and the body language of the two brothers on the day there was no issue or if there was an issue, Harry will be box office in Hollywood next, because if it was Charles, would Megs have let him walk her down the aisle



Camilla it is then ..


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[Zizu]

it was before the wedding but there was no rift with William or Charles at that point, seems odd don't you think?



I don’t think it was either of them who made the offending remarks


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[jet]

'Recollections may vary' also suggests the way it was taken by Harry wasn't how it was meant by the person who allegedly said it.

[Kazanne]

Thank you, a dignified and thoughtful response as usual

Liz isn't Jeremy Kyle fodder

Yes ,dignified is the word, :wavey:

[Zizu]

'Recollections may vary' also suggests the way it was taken by Harry wasn't how it was meant by the person who allegedly said it.



I see it as the person has admitted saying it and NOW regrets saying it ...

I believe that’s It’s simple damage limitation - as I suggested earlier .


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[jet]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghan-must-pay-the-price-of-their-burnt-bridges-xkljbb5hh

Harry and Meghan must pay the price of their burnt bridges

The Sussexes cannot enjoy the perks of royalty while trashing the institution — it is time to remove their titles…...It does not do to get too grand in this country, even if you are a duke or duchess. Yet whether they are demanding privacy while courting publicity, or enjoying the rewards of royal titles while shunning the responsibilities, or blathering about public service while ditching the boring old walkabouts in Rotherham, the behaviour of Harry and Meghan smacks of self-importance.

No matter the privilege of their lives, the couple seem determined not only to feel sorry for themselves but to air their grievances regularly. Yes, I know that heartache and misery transcend fame and fortune. All the wealth in the world is no insulation against suffering. But still, if you live a life that is unimaginably privileged to most, it is polite and emotionally intelligent to be circumspect about your own problems. To hear the duchess complain to Oprah that “there’s a lot that’s been lost” is tin-eared during a pandemic, when millions have lost livelihoods, lives and loved ones.

Such solipsism feels very much of our time; an age when narcissism is acceptable and viewing oneself as a victim is in vogue. Indeed, the split of public opinion on the Sussexes reveals a cultural schism in our country. In one camp are those who find it alien to endlessly share details of themselves, whose motto is “mustn’t grumble”. In the other camp are those who share their innermost thoughts daily on Twitter, whose mantra is “let me tell you my truth”.

For one side the word “duty” is laden with meaning; to the other it sounds archaic and suffocating. Accordingly, one part of the country thinks it appalling that they ditched royal life when it ceased to suit them; others think it marvellous that they broke free of the gilded cage to sink their toes in the Malibu sand.

We all might have felt more sympathy with the Sussexes if their decision to break from royal constraints had been followed by a period of genuine privacy, humility and respect for the institution they had left.

But to enjoy the perks of association with the monarchy while trashing it — and the nation — is galling.
In a game of chess, a queen sacrifice is made in order to gain a more favourable tactical position. The Oprah interview seems like the Sussexes’ own queen sacrifice: a strategic decision to burn bridges with the British in order to build them with the Americans. Well, it’s the Queen’s move now, and there’s only one thing for it. Your Majesty: remove their titles.

..........................
Unfortunately I don't think she will persue that route. She isn't a vengeful and petty woman, unlike the admired by many 'in vogue' Meghan and Harry.

[Parmy]

Camilla it is then ..


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Could have been harry himself, or andrew..

Harry could be protecting himself or paedophile.

[Brother Leon]

i doubt that

can anyone on tibb remember a conversation casually had 4 years ago with any intent, accuracy or context

id imagine people would find one from last week difficult

Unfortunately Wouldn’t be surprised if some in the U.K can’t remember their casual racist comments. It comes normal to many these days.

[Cherry Christmas]

I see it as the person has admitted saying it and NOW regrets saying it ...

I believe that’s It’s simple damage limitation - as I suggested earlier .


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No way, it means there is a different interpretation on the other side

[Zizu]

No way, it means there is a different interpretation on the other side


As you’d expect , surely

Once something has been said it can’t be ‘unsaid’ .

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[Cherry Christmas]

As you’d expect , surely

Once something has been said it can’t be ‘unsaid’ .

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Maybe what was said was misquoted....Chinese whispers

[Denver]

i doubt that

can anyone on tibb remember a conversation casually had 4 years ago with any intent, accuracy or context

id imagine people would find one from last week difficult

It depends on context and content of said conversation.

If something offended you or hurt you then you won't forget it

[Christmas Lights]

It depends on context and content of said conversation.

If something offended you or hurt you then you won't forget it

I don't know how anyone could forget something that's hurtful and personal .

I know some people try to block things out ,but it's still there .

[joeysteele]

As you’d expect , surely

Once something has been said it can’t be ‘unsaid’ .

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Exactly, as if whoever who has said it is going to want to say, oh yes I said it and I meant it in a racist way.

Of course they'll want to put a different slant on it.

[Christmas Lights]

Whoever made the racist remark about Archie will never own up to it , even if Meghan and Harry named names it still wouldn't make much difference.

The palace would just put out a general statement denying it saying they " do not tolerate racism & prejudice " and how nobody has ever meant to "cause offense" . The said person would stay quiet , they wouldn't do an interview because they'd be told NOT to .

[Cherry Christmas]

Whoever made the racist remark about Archie will never own up to it , even if Meghan and Harry named names it still wouldn't make much difference.

The palace would just put out a general statement denying it saying they " do not tolerate racism & prejudice " and how nobody has ever meant to "cause offense" . The said person would stay quiet , they wouldn't do an interview because they'd be told NOT to .

The comment was made before the wedding, it wasn’t about Archie per se

[Zizu]

The comment was made before the wedding, it wasn’t about Archie per se


How is that relevant ??

It’s not about Archie is it ??

It’s about the sentiment , surely


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[joeysteele]

It was about whatever child Meghan would have, no one else..
Archie is her first child so it was about him, no matter how others look for any tiniest thing to dismiss it.

Who else would they be asking about as to what colour skin a baby would have within the Royal family.
Are people really that desperate to bring this one woman down.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

It depends on context and content of said conversation.

If something offended you or hurt you then you won't forget it

and you may have misheard, not understood, not got the context etc etc

[Christmas Lights]

The comment was made before the wedding, it wasn’t about Archie per se

Meghan and Harry specifically said IT WAS about Archie, I don't know how you can dismiss that Cherie

[Rustic bauble]

I see it as the person has admitted saying it and NOW regrets saying it ...

I believe that’s It’s simple damage limitation - as I suggested earlier .


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...or maybe it has come to light how this may have been taken out of context..then it becomes a “he said she said” scenario. It’s a private matter and they need to address it as a family and not the whole world.

[Rustic bauble]

Meghan and Harry specifically said IT WAS about Archie, I don't know how you can dismiss that Cherie


It could have been said before the wedding regarding future children. Didn’t Harry say it was one conversation before their wedding. It was Meghan who said it was several conversations whilst she was pregnant... Harry was involved in the convo so surely his version is the correct one.
That’s what I understand anyway.

[jet]

"The issues raised, particularly that of race,
are concerning. Whilst some recollections
may vary, they are taken very seriously and
will be addressed by the family privately.

Listening to the Sky news broadcaster, this part of the statement is
"very telling, and within the Palace they don't entirely agree with everything Harry and Meghan decided to tell Oprah". So not just referring to the race comment alone.

[joeysteele]

I agree it is a family issue, however the concerns now out there and they should be of concern as Her Majesty the Queen says.

Is a private Palace internal dealing with this, really going to address the possible race issue and worrying cruel mental health issues.
I'd say no it won't myself, although I'd like to hope things can be worked out far better than they've been thus far.

No one is ever going to own up to being racist or that this comment, grossly inappropriate, was meant that way either.

I'd like to think, the whole Royal set up which the Queen didn't address in her short response would be reformed..
It's just been said on the news that the Queen's response, indicates this will be handled the way she has handled things over her reign.

Well that doesn't Inspire me with confidence of anything better then.
Since she's done nothing to address these issues for 6 nearly 7 decades.

Her sense of duty and work rate can never be questioned.
The Queen herself is an amazing lady.

However, in my view, she's failed to really keep the Monarchy fully relevant.

Even on here on another thread, yes a low number of votes, however looking at the names of those who'd vote to abolish the Monarchy now, are as to many there, moderate and reasoned individuals.

If the Monarchy has lost or cannot gain people of that calibre, then the Monarchy should really worry.

[Cherry Christmas]

Meghan and Harry specifically said IT WAS about Archie, I don't know how you can dismiss that Cherie

I understood Harry said it happened before the wedding? I have not watched but that is my understanding

[jet]

I understood Harry said it happened before the wedding? I have not watched but that is my understanding

Meghan told Oprah the ‘conversations’ happened when she was pregnant, when Harry came out and was asked he said it ‘was a conversation that happened before we were married’.

[joeysteele]

Oh for goodness sake, it doesn't matter when it was said.
It was said to Prince Harry himself, not to Meghan.
They both clearly stated that.

Harry may actually have only told Meghan once she was pregnant.
Or is that not a possibility either?

They got married in May 2018.
Archie was born less than a year later.

We're looking at about a period of less than 3 months from wedding to Meghan being pregnant.

This nitpicking, in my opinion, is beyond belief honestly.
Coming from adults too.

[jet]

I was replying to Cherie with the facts, I didn't say anything about it mattering.
No need to get irate.

[Christmas Lights]

Oh for goodness sake, it doesn't matter when it was said.
It was said to Prince Harry himself, not to Meghan.
They both clearly stated that.

Harry may actually have only told Meghan once she was pregnant.
Or is that not a possibility either?

They got married in May 2018.
Archie was born less than a year later.

We're looking at about a period of less than 3 months from wedding to Meghan being pregnant.

This nitpicking, in my opinion, is beyond belief honestly.
Coming from adults too.

The nitpicking is tiresome , why can't it be acknowledged that it was STILL SAID

[Rustic bauble]

The nitpicking is tiresome , why can't it be acknowledged that it was STILL SAID


It’s not nitpicking...yes it was said apparently, in what context we don’t know. But their story doesn’t tally. If Harry said it was said ONCE before the wedding...and Meghan says it was said SEVERAL times whilst she was pregnant, then someone is lying...

[joeysteele]

The nitpicking is tiresome , why can't it be acknowledged that it was STILL SAID

It's really unnecessary Goldheart.

It's still been said of course it's not lying either.
Harry may have discussed it with Meghan several times.
It's only from one person.
They BOTH said that, and Prince Harry wouldn't go into the conversation or conversations..
He only stated, it had been said directly to him.

Also Meghan refused to name THE person who said it.
THE singular.

That person COULD have said it several times.

The fact it was said and caused them both offence is understandable.
Whether it's said once or more than once.
Whoever said it.

Trying to paint people we don't know as liars on such flimsy nitpicking as this.
Is utterly ridiculous in my view from adults too.
Just because these 2 aren't liked..

All they say is wrong and anyone against them will be right.

Well no one, not me or anyone, is ever all wrong or all right.
They were both in stressful times for them.
Prince Harry clearly taken aback by this comment on his baby's likely skin colour, both clearly offended by it and rightly so to take offence at it as well..
It's a disgraceful comment and if it came from a family member almost unforgivable in my view.

[Rustic bauble]

It's really unnecessary Goldheart.

It's still been said of course it's not lying either.
Harry may have discussed it with Meghan several times.
It's only from one person.
They BOTH said that, and Prince Harry wouldn't go into the conversation or conversations..
He only stated, it had been said directly to him.

Also Meghan refused to name THE person who said it.
THE singular.

That person COULD have said it several times.

The fact it was said and caused them both offence is understandable.
Whether it's said once or more than once.
Whoever said it.

Trying to paint people we don't know as liars on such flimsy nitpicking as this.
Is utterly ridiculous in my view from adults too.
Just because these 2 aren't liked..

All they say is wrong and anyone against them will be right.

Well no one, not me or anyone, is ever all wrong or all right.
They were both in stressful times for them.
Prince Harry clearly taken aback by this comment on his baby's likely skin colour, both clearly offended by it and rightly so to take offence at it as well..
It's a disgraceful comment and if it came from a family member almost unforgivable in my view.


Sadly this is the result of the story not being told in its entirety. It causes speculation and doubt. If you are going to feed half a story then it’s not fair to feed it at all...it’s dangerous to all concerned.

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[Christmas Lights]

Sadly this is the result of the story not being told in its entirety. It causes speculation and doubt. If you are going to feed half a story then it’s not fair to feed it at all...it’s dangerous to all concerned.

Once again skirting around the fact the comment WAS STILL SAID though , why was it ok for a person close to harry (lets call it) to say that? .

It was still an awkward conversation with racist undertones.

[Cherry Christmas]

The nitpicking is tiresome , why can't it be acknowledged that it was STILL SAID

Recollections vary, given Harry wont spit it out and his and Megs recollection vary on the issue...conversations versus once, interesting this divergence in their recollection was left in the edit by their friend, maybe she didn’t quite buy it either

And I truly believe exonorating Liz and Phil was an after though by their PR team as it wouldn’t reflect well on either of them with Phil in hospital to put them in the frame

[joeysteele]

Once again skirting around the fact the comment WAS STILL SAID though , why was it ok for a person close to harry (lets call it) to say that? .

It was still an awkward conversation with racist undertones.

Yes, it's something they had to say too in order to clear their minds of what's hurt them most.

Even the Queen has picked up on the 2 issues that are clearly the main issues.

To those determined to run them down only, whether they watched the full interview or not.
Nothing they say will alter their thinking.
So they're on a hiding to nothing with them I'm afraid.

They didn't name anyone, however as to the mental health issues, well that's likely all the institution of those who direct the Royal household and oversee Royal duty.
Those faceless individuals who would appear to have way too much power at the Palace, and who abuse it.

That rot in that institution of the less savoury staff and advisory teams there, needs shifting.

The race one, and it's a racist comment because it's only been said re Meghan but NOT directly to her from the person making it.
Which leaves it as a family member more likely.
I have my own thoughts but again, I'm not going to say who I would suspect of it.

To not understand when already in stressful situations that a then comment like this, as to how much that would pile then onto already felt stress.
Just because some don't like them, rather than try to step into their shoes and think how hard and hurtful that would be, preferring to look for the tiniest of holes or nitpick on all they say or do.
Is an extremely sad thing to see and read.

It's no wonder then that there's still people in turmoil while suffering mental stress or health who won't speak out for help.
Because they fear a reaction of disbelief, to have it dismissed as lying, or just scoffed at.
What a sad society it would be if all took that line.

I really don't think I want to read any more on this issue here.
It's depressing to see such a lack of even looking for empathy towards their issues, (Prince Harry and Meghan aside as to liking or not liking them), never mind having no empathy at all.
Yeah, depressing.

The Palace and Royal set up has it seems a destructive regime in place.
3 of 4 of the Queen's children have had marriages end in divorce.
Even the Queen's own Sister too

There's something radically wrong in a regime where such destruction of lives and minds seem maybe more commonplace than we even know.
Never mind the stresses of having to even try to cope with said stress.
Because you are expected to do your duty.
Shocking and like things out of the middle ages.

[Cherry Christmas]

Once again skirting around the fact the comment WAS STILL SAID though , why was it ok for a person close to harry (lets call it) to say that? .

It was still an awkward conversation with racist undertones.

Harry exonerated himself from calling a colleague a P... saying they were friends and that it wasn't meant in malice or taken that way, maybe whoever he was chatting to felt the same way. Harry's views have changed on issues and he sees things differently, he said so himself recently , whoever said it to him and however it was said was not meant to offend I expect

Anyway we are going round in circles with this, enjoy your day GH

[Ammi]

...apparently 49million viewers of the interview around the world...

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The nitpicking is tiresome , why can't it be acknowledged that it was STILL SAID

allegedly

all we have at the moment is one person's accusation

nothing more

[Nicky91]

Netherlands viewer ratings for the interview 1.5 million people average, 2.6 million people total

a 4th place in the most viewer ratings of the day behind all of the news programs

[jet]

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/03/09/snap-poll-post-interview-harry-meghan

YOUGOV Snap poll: post - interview, the public remain unsympathetic to Harry and Meghan

As the dust settles following the controversial royal interview, what do Britons make of the situation?
Prince Harry and Meghan’s tell-all interview with Orpah Winfrey was viewed by over 11 million Britons during its UK debut on Monday night, and now new YouGov polling for Sky News reveals public sentiment has shifted little compared to attitudes a week ago.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

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[arista]

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/03/09/snap-poll-post-interview-harry-meghan

YOUGOV Snap poll: post - interview, the public remain unsympathetic to Harry and Meghan

As the dust settles following the controversial royal interview, what do Britons make of the situation?
Prince Harry and Meghan’s tell-all interview with Orpah Winfrey was viewed by over 11 million Britons during its UK debut on Monday night, and now new YouGov polling for Sky News reveals public sentiment has shifted little compared to attitudes a week ago.


Yes No Sympathy
is Correct.

[Zizu]

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/03/09/snap-poll-post-interview-harry-meghan



YOUGOV Snap poll: post - interview, the public remain unsympathetic to Harry and Meghan



As the dust settles following the controversial royal interview, what do Britons make of the situation?

Prince Harry and Meghan’s tell-all interview with Orpah Winfrey was viewed by over 11 million Britons during its UK debut on Monday night, and now new YouGov polling for Sky News reveals public sentiment has shifted little compared to attitudes a week ago.



It appears to be an age related issue according to Sky survey

The older the person the more likely they are to side with the Royal family ...


Who knew ?
( me )

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[jet]

Sadly this is the result of the story not being told in its entirety. It causes speculation and doubt. If you are going to feed half a story then it’s not fair to feed it at all...it’s dangerous to all concerned.

Well said!
Another question that needs to be asked is - why did Harry even tell his allegedly emotionally vulnerable wife at all?

“I know you are in a bad way, but just wait until you hear what so - and - so said!" D:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Well said!
Another question that needs to be asked is - why did Harry even tell his allegedly emotionally vulnerable wife at all?

“I know you are in a bad way, but just wait until you hear what so - and - so said!" D:

exactly, you have a word with the person (if it did happen) and explain why you think its not a great thing to say. YOu dont go and trigger your new wife who essentially is staying at the in-laws. What did he think would be the benefit of doing so?


madness

[joeysteele]

Well there's no way the Queen, or surely His Father or Brother will ever strip them of titles.

They can't change he was born a Royal.

The Queen's uncle, King Edward VIII, was to marry an American divorcee, against the family's wishes, he then even abdicated from the throne.
Thrusting his then less prepared Brother into the Monarch's position.

He was created then Duke of Windsor, his wife the Duchess of Windsor.

So despite the trashy Mails eagerness from loaded polling to further inflict on this couple punishment for really doing nothing, I hope will get the total ignoring of same from this Queen.

What a nation we are becoming, dismissive of mental health and feelings of losing life, of looking to dismiss probable racial comments about an unborn baby.
Then clamouring in kangaroo courts as judgement of them too.

Good lord, the Monarchy may as well go back and open the Tower up again as a torture chamber to please the venom of some in this Country now.

I could easily believe, unbelievably, and with dismay, if we still had public executions in the UK, there'd be people still clamouring to be as near the front as possible to watch them.

Hateful, truly hateful, no other way to say it as to the hounding of these 2.
Who no-one has to even listen to if they don't want to or watch if they don't want to.

To only do so, to just seek any daft tiny thing to try to tear them to pieces on is in my view sick.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Well said!
Another question that needs to be asked is - why did Harry even tell his allegedly emotionally vulnerable wife at all?

“I know you are in a bad way, but just wait until you hear what so - and - so said!" D:

Because he's her husband and any children they have will be his as well? I'd be annoyed if my husband wasn't honest with me/felt he couldn't talk to me about things that were upsetting him. We're a team, we deal with stuff together

[joeysteele]

Well said!
Another question that needs to be asked is - why did Harry even tell his allegedly emotionally vulnerable wife at all?

“I know you are in a bad way, but just wait until you hear what so - and - so said!" D:



Possibly as once she was pregnant, if he was away on Royal duty, he wouldn't have been able to protect her from still hearing it.
Or being asked it.
IF the person who is the one who said it was determined to get an answer that suited him/ her.

So Prince Harry probably alerted her, just in case that scenario arose.

(Oh but then no, of course that could never even be a possibility !!

That a husband would want his wife to have full knowledge of what was being said or asked about as to their unborn child).

[jet]

exactly, you have a word with the person (if it did happen) and explain why you think its not a great thing to say. YOu dont go and trigger your new wife who essentially is staying at the in-laws. What did he think would be the benefit of doing so?


madness

Yes, if my wife was in a emotionally vulnerable state, the last thing I'd do would be to add to her turmoil at that time. As you say, I'd tackle the person and make sure they never uttered those sentiments again and perhaps tell my wife at a later time when she was in a better place.
What others would do is up to them, I'm saying what I think would be best.

[joeysteele]

It appears to be an age related issue according to Sky survey

The older the person the more likely they are to side with the Royal family ...


Who knew ?
( me )

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Yes, that poll showed as much as any polls can be trusted really.

That under 35s were strongly in the Prince Harry and Meghan support.
While much older were solidly in the Royal support side.

My own personal view.
I'm braying the door of 30 down now .
My Mum, (often holds different views to me), she is now in her 70s.
We're both in the more supportive to Prince Harry and Meghan.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Yes, if my wife was in a emotionally vulnerable state, the last thing I'd do would be to add to her turmoil at that time. As you say, I'd tackle the person and make sure they never uttered those sentiments again and perhaps tell my wife at a later time when she was in a better place.
What others would do is up to them, I'm saying what I think would be best.

sometimes your have to use your head

sadly he didnt and he still isnt to this day

:crazy:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Can you imagine if I made a thread on tibb


Title:A member made a racist remark to me in a pm 4 years ago


I dont want to say who but they said something that was in my view racist"


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WHat do you think the replies would be?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Can you imagine if I made a thread on tibb


Title:A member made a racist remark to me in a pm 4 years ago


I dont want to say who but they said something that was in my view racist"


---------------------


WHat do you think the replies would be?

Nice like for like comparison there LT :laugh:

[Cherry Christmas]

Can you imagine if I made a thread on tibb


Title:A member made a racist remark to me in a pm 4 years ago


I dont want to say who but they said something that was in my view racist"


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WHat do you think the replies would be?


Niamh would be on it in a flash flushing out whodunit :laugh:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Niamh would be on it in a flash flushing out whodunit :laugh:

there would be 3 pages of

why did you not pm Josy James

pointless unless you say who

why leave it 4 years

i dont believe you

bollocks

:joker:


:bawling:

*LT logs off and storms out

[Cherry Christmas]

there would be 3 pages of

why did you not pm Josy James

pointless unless you say who

why leave it 4 years

i dont believe you

bollocks

:joker:


:bawling:

*LT logs off and storms out


:laugh:

[ChristmasNeeve]

there would be 3 pages of

why did you not pm Josy James

pointless unless you say who

why leave it 4 years

i dont believe you

bollocks

:joker:


:bawling:

*LT logs off and storms out

Job done :smug:

[Cherry Christmas]

I wonder what is next, will they continue to hang out the dirty laundry or are they done

Will Harry come back as previously planned in June and how awkward will that be :laugh:

[Cherry Christmas]

Job done :smug:

Niamh revealing her inner Meghan and isolating LT from his TiBB family :bawling:

[ChristmasNeeve]

Niamh revealing her inner Meghan and isolating LT from his TiBB family :bawling:

:hee:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Niamh revealing her inner Meghan and isolating LT from his TiBB family :bawling:

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[ChristmasNeeve]

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Good picture of Piers sucking on his Sour grapes :hehe:

[jet]

I wonder what is next, will they continue to hang out the dirty laundry or are they done

Will Harry come back as previously planned in June and how awkward will that be :laugh:

:wavey:

A source close to the couple told the Daily Telegraph just before the interview was to be aired in the UK:
" They have insisted their interview would be the ‘last word’ on the rift with the Royal family. It was something they felt they needed to do, but now they feel a line has been drawn under that chapter of their lives".

[Cherry Christmas]

:wavey:

A source close to the couple told the Daily Telegraph just before the interview was to be aired in the UK:
" They have insisted their interview would be the ‘last word’ on the rift with the Royal family. It was something they felt they needed to do, but now they feel a line has been drawn under that chapter of their lives".

oh great! I hope that is the case

[Cherry Christmas]

Good picture of Piers sucking on his Sour grapes :hehe:

:laugh2:

[Livia]

I didn't watch it. What's the point off hearing half a story? And anyway, the film on Film4 at the same time was 10/10.

[jet]

oh great! I hope that is the case

....leaving a trail of destruction, broken family relationships, unanswered questions and as Livia said, half a story behind them.

I hope they are satisfied now....

[Cherry Christmas]

....leaving a trail of destruction, broken family relationships, unanswered questions and as Livia said, half a story behind them.

I hope they are satisfied now....

well yeah, it feels a bit hollow and empty, but I guess if they are happy that seems to be the only objective.

[Rustic bauble]

Well said!
Another question that needs to be asked is - why did Harry even tell his allegedly emotionally vulnerable wife at all?

“I know you are in a bad way, but just wait until you hear what so - and - so said!" D:


Well exactly. Why didnt Harry deal with the situation and say I dont want to hear any talk like this again....and in order to protect my wife from any hurt I would not have told her in the reassurance it wouldnt happen again....and if she wasnt in a good place then even more reason.
Any decent interviewer would have asked Harry..."How did you react?"....but no, it was just left hanging to create the ultimate damage...
Oprah made herself look totally bias and weak.

[Rustic bauble]

I wonder what is next, will they continue to hang out the dirty laundry or are they done

Will Harry come back as previously planned in June and how awkward will that be :laugh:



Watched This Morning and Megans friend was on there...Philip asked her "is that all now?"....and her response was "there are more Truths to come"....

Watch this space :laugh:

[Tom4784]

The reaction from people I've seen is kind of proving to me that most of the UK live in some sort of dream world regarding how they garbled the facts and quotes from this interview to serve their own purpose. So many people I know are trying to make out they've attacked the queen when they were nothing but complimentary to her, they even pointed out the difference between the 'firm' and the family, but that doesn't justify unjustified hatred so it gets ignored.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Well exactly. Why didnt Harry deal with the situation and say I dont want to hear any talk like this again....and in order to protect my wife from any hurt I would not have told her in the reassurance it wouldnt happen again....and if she wasnt in a good place then even more reason.
Any decent interviewer would have asked Harry..."How did you react?"....but no, it was just left hanging to create the ultimate damage...
Oprah made herself look totally bias and weak.

Cynical cold and mean spirited

[Parmy]

Let's face it, it was probably harry who said it.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Let's face it, it was probably harry who said it.

I mean he has previous...

[jet]

An entertaining article, the bit I quoted is near the end.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9340185/SARAH-VINE-Meghan-mermaid-fairy-tale-fishy-ending.html

Meghan the mermaid and a fairy tale with a fishy ending: As the Duchess claims she's like a cursed Disney character, SARAH VINE asks does her story really hold water?

The mother of one of Meghan's closest childhood friends from school, Sonia Ardakani, once revealed that her daughter and Meghan were captivated by the life of Harry's late mother, Diana, Princess of Wales, and used to watch a video of her wedding to Prince Charles over and over.

On a trip to London in 1996, the then 15-year-old Meghan was photographed smiling excitedly with a friend in front of Buckingham Palace — just as hundreds of tourists do every day because this is where the Queen lives.
And yet this contrasts with her assertion, in this interview, that she wasn't much interested in the whole royal circus when she first met Harry.

'I went into it naively,' she says, 'because I didn't grow up knowing much about the Royal Family. It wasn't something that was part of conversation at home. It wasn't something that we followed.'

One final thought. In a now long-deleted post from her blog, The Tig, Meghan wrote: 'Little girls dream of being princesses — and grown women seem to retain this childhood fantasy . . . just look at the pomp and circumstance surrounding the royal wedding and endless conversation about [sic] Princess Kate.'

Just look indeed.

[joeysteele]

The reaction from people I've seen is kind of proving to me that most of the UK live in some sort of dream world regarding how they garbled the facts and quotes from this interview to serve their own purpose. So many people I know are trying to make out they've attacked the queen when they were nothing but complimentary to her, they even pointed out the difference between the 'firm' and the family, but that doesn't justify unjustified hatred so it gets ignored.

Yes it has just been ignored, it seems one of the only reliable sources of anything re Meghan, is the Daily Mail.
I can't recall when I've seen so much of the Daily Mail.
It's like it's the paper of the forum.

Of course it's the gutter trash one digging out anyone and anything that presents a negative image of Meghan Markle
So it's gospel.
Which it isn't of course since Meghan has won a court case against the gutter trash publication.

It's true too as you state, they separated the firm/ institution from family too.
Plus never once were disrespectful or said anything disrespectful about the Queen either.

Really it is unbelievable.

[Cherry Christmas]

Watched This Morning and Megans friend was on there...Philip asked her "is that all now?"....and her response was "there are more Truths to come"....

Watch this space :laugh:

ofgs ...they thrive on drama, reminds me of some other place :think:

[Cherry Christmas]

The Queen was nothing but nice to them...

if that is how they treat people who are nothing but nice

give her nothing but stress, while she is isolated from her family due to the pandemic with her husband in hospital, there isn't much hope for people who were not so nice :joker:

[jet]

Full article - well worth a read! :hee:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9344125/How-ironic-Harry-called-Pakistani-colleague-P-word-without-malice.html

SARAH VINE: How ironic that when anti-racist warrior Harry called his Pakistani colleague the 'P'-word, he said it was 'without malice'
By SARAH VINE

What the couple conveniently failed to mention to Oprah was the moment in 2009 when Prince Harry himself was caught up in an imbroglio over race.
This was after video footage had emerged in which he called a fellow cadet at Sandhurst a 'Pxxx' and another a 'raghead'.

So objectionable were his remarks — which came after revelations of his proclivity for dressing up as a Nazi — that Clarence House issued a fulsome apology.
'Prince Harry fully understands how offensive this term can be, and is extremely sorry for any offence his words might cause.
'However, on this occasion three years ago, Prince Harry used the term without any malice and as a nickname about a highly popular member of his platoon.
'There is no question that Prince Harry was in any way seeking to insult his friend. Prince Harry used the term 'raghead' to mean Taliban or Iraqi insurgent.'
In other words, he didn't really mean it. It was just a bit of barracks banter. And maybe it was. Maybe the soldiers concerned didn't mind at all; or maybe they did but couldn't really say very much because, well, you know — it's Prince Harry.

[joeysteele]

The Queen was nothing but nice to them...

if that is how they treat people who are nothing but nice

give her nothing but stress, while she is isolated from her family due to the pandemic with her husband in hospital, there isn't much hope for people who were not so nice :joker:

Well perhaps the Queen if she was so nice to them.
Should make sure her institution is there and doing a caring job to her family and staff.

My guess would be few see the Queen that much.
If you're in an environment which is hostile, which while in it, you aren't allowed to speak out about it.
It doesn't matter if for 10% of a day or week, there's someone who is really good to you but not someone, due to Royal duty and protocol you can bother with problems, having to follow the RULES.

It's good they praised the Queen, however as with others, not just with these 2, it seems the Queen has no idea of most of what's going on in her Palace and family.

Hence her sadness now at only learning of it.

[jet]

More from Sarah Vine: :clap1:

As the dust from that neutron bomb of an interview begins to settle, and the full extent of the fallout becomes clear, it seems Megxit has become even more divisive than Brexit.
To her many (predominately young) fans, 'Meghan's truth' is gospel, a heartbreaking tale of loneliness and victimisation.

They are grateful to her — and Prince Harry — for 'sharing' their ordeal, and angry with the perpetrators of their suffering: the British Press, the Royal Family, her family, old people, anyone who even dares question their actions, let alone voice the smallest bit of criticism.

Not content with turning their backs on the House of Windsor and the Queen at perhaps her greatest hour of need, they have decided to thoroughly trash the place on their way out.
This is not Harry and Meghan 'finding freedom'. It's them finding scapegoats, someone else to blame for all their misjudgments — and exacting a bitter revenge into the bargain.
It is a prolonged and thoroughly egocentric exercise in two people throwing their toys out of their gilded pram at a time when so many are struggling in circumstances far more traumatic than theirs.

But perhaps the most shocking element about this whole saga is the way they have taken one of the most explosive and emotive issues of our time — race — and weaponised it to devastating effect.
The accusation of racism — intimating that a member of the family 'raised concerns' about the colour of Archie's skin — is simply incendiary.
Especially since the accusation itself is so vague and seems calculated to do so much damage without actually giving any real context or sense of how, when and in what spirit the alleged remark was made......etc.

[Cherry Christmas]

More from Sarah Vine: :clap1:

As the dust from that neutron bomb of an interview begins to settle, and the full extent of the fallout becomes clear, it seems Megxit has become even more divisive than Brexit.
To her many (predominately young) fans, 'Meghan's truth' is gospel, a heartbreaking tale of loneliness and victimisation.

They are grateful to her — and Prince Harry — for 'sharing' their ordeal, and angry with the perpetrators of their suffering: the British Press, the Royal Family, her family, old people, anyone who even dares question their actions, let alone voice the smallest bit of criticism.

Not content with turning their backs on the House of Windsor and the Queen at perhaps her greatest hour of need, they have decided to thoroughly trash the place on their way out.
This is not Harry and Meghan 'finding freedom'. It's them finding scapegoats, someone else to blame for all their misjudgments — and exacting a bitter revenge into the bargain.
It is a prolonged and thoroughly egocentric exercise in two people throwing their toys out of their gilded pram at a time when so many are struggling in circumstances far more traumatic than theirs.

But perhaps the most shocking element about this whole saga is the way they have taken one of the most explosive and emotive issues of our time — race — and weaponised it to devastating effect.
The accusation of racism — intimating that a member of the family 'raised concerns' about the colour of Archie's skin — is simply incendiary.
Especially since the accusation itself is so vague and seems calculated to do so much damage without actually giving any real context or sense of how, when and in what spirit the alleged remark was made......etc.

She must be on TIBB :smug:

[jet]

The Queen was nothing but nice to them...

if that is how they treat people who are nothing but nice

give her nothing but stress, while she is isolated from her family due to the pandemic with her husband in hospital, there isn't much hope for people who were not so nice :joker:

But everyone else was horrid, apparently. The amazing thing is, some actually believe that every that word that pours from her hallowed lips is the gospel truth. Even though the accounts are riddled with holes, inconsistencies and in some respects, just plain poppycock. Unbelievable. :hee:

[jet]

She must be on TIBB :smug:

:joker:

[Zizu]

The Queen was nothing but nice to them...



if that is how they treat people who are nothing but nice



give her nothing but stress, while she is isolated from her family due to the pandemic with her husband in hospital, there isn't much hope for people who were not so nice :joker:



The Queen isn’t that much big an Angel. .. we all know how despicably she treated Princess Di through all her trauma and she still loves and supports the whole range of blood sports


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[joeysteele]

The Queen isn’t that much big an Angel. .. we all know how despicably she treated Princess Di through all her trauma and she still loves and supports the whole range of blood sports


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No, she's no angel, well.no.one is, however I say again.
She's had 70 years to reform the rigid, cold institution that's been talked of before and done nothing.

Happy to let it just carry on.

For her to express sadness at learning of the feelings and problems of Prince Harry and Meghan, only at this time .
Shows how cut off she is too, even from her family and how HER staff operate.

[jet]

"The Palace's response was a model of restrained elegance" :
"In the words of Meghan's new best friend, Michelle Obama, when they go low, the Queen goes high". :laugh:

[Cherry Christmas]

The Queen isn’t that much big an Angel. .. we all know how despicably she treated Princess Di through all her trauma and she still loves and supports the whole range of blood sports


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Who mentioned Angel, this is Harrys Grandmother, would you treat your mother like that if she had been nothing but nice to you?

[arista]

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[jet]

rigid, cold institution = I know because I watch 'The Crown'! :laugh:

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Full article - well worth a read! :hee:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9344125/How-ironic-Harry-called-Pakistani-colleague-P-word-without-malice.html

SARAH VINE: How ironic that when anti-racist warrior Harry called his Pakistani colleague the 'P'-word, he said it was 'without malice'
By SARAH VINE

What the couple conveniently failed to mention to Oprah was the moment in 2009 when Prince Harry himself was caught up in an imbroglio over race.
This was after video footage had emerged in which he called a fellow cadet at Sandhurst a 'Pxxx' and another a 'raghead'.

So objectionable were his remarks — which came after revelations of his proclivity for dressing up as a Nazi — that Clarence House issued a fulsome apology.
'Prince Harry fully understands how offensive this term can be, and is extremely sorry for any offence his words might cause.
'However, on this occasion three years ago, Prince Harry used the term without any malice and as a nickname about a highly popular member of his platoon.
'There is no question that Prince Harry was in any way seeking to insult his friend. Prince Harry used the term 'raghead' to mean Taliban or Iraqi insurgent.'
In other words, he didn't really mean it. It was just a bit of barracks banter. And maybe it was. Maybe the soldiers concerned didn't mind at all; or maybe they did but couldn't really say very much because, well, you know — it's Prince Harry.

Yes it was framed as "said without malice" just as the alleged comment made 4 years ago probably was

pathetic

[Rustic bauble]

An entertaining article, the bit I quoted is near the end.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9340185/SARAH-VINE-Meghan-mermaid-fairy-tale-fishy-ending.html

Meghan the mermaid and a fairy tale with a fishy ending: As the Duchess claims she's like a cursed Disney character, SARAH VINE asks does her story really hold water?

The mother of one of Meghan's closest childhood friends from school, Sonia Ardakani, once revealed that her daughter and Meghan were captivated by the life of Harry's late mother, Diana, Princess of Wales, and used to watch a video of her wedding to Prince Charles over and over.

On a trip to London in 1996, the then 15-year-old Meghan was photographed smiling excitedly with a friend in front of Buckingham Palace — just as hundreds of tourists do every day because this is where the Queen lives.
And yet this contrasts with her assertion, in this interview, that she wasn't much interested in the whole royal circus when she first met Harry.

'I went into it naively,' she says, 'because I didn't grow up knowing much about the Royal Family. It wasn't something that was part of conversation at home. It wasn't something that we followed.'

One final thought. In a now long-deleted post from her blog, The Tig, Meghan wrote: 'Little girls dream of being princesses — and grown women seem to retain this childhood fantasy . . . just look at the pomp and circumstance surrounding the royal wedding and endless conversation about [sic] Princess Kate.'

Just look indeed.


Another untruth...."I had never heard of Prince Harry...."...:joker:

[Parmy]

Meghan is back on the scene tonight....

She has reported Piers Morgan. Either to Ofcom 26 thousand times, or has used and abused her power and went to the head of ITV.

Which ever one it is, I dont think its ever going to be mrs Meghan Morgan anytime soon.

[Zizu]

Who mentioned Angel, this is Harrys Grandmother, would you treat your mother like that if she had been nothing but nice to you?



She behaved absolutely despicably towards Harry’s dearly departed mother throughout her time within the ‘family’ ... I wouldn’t forget that for one single moment.


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[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I don't like her at all.
Using personal problems to make money.
I find it very distasteful.

[Christmas Lights]

I don't like her at all.
Using personal problems to make money.
I find it very distasteful.

Who are we talking about? .
Because if its Meghan she WASN'T paid for the Oprah interview.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Who are we talking about? .
Because if its Meghan she WASN'T paid for the Oprah interview.

Of course not it was world wide promo for all her deals with Netflix and Spotify

Oprah got paid of course


Nothing like a Billionaire interviewing a pair of millionaires telling us how broke they are and how their life is tough


:joker:

[jet]

She behaved absolutely despicably towards Harry’s dearly departed mother throughout her time within the ‘family’ ... I wouldn’t forget that for one single moment.


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She really didn't behave despicably towards her - Diana said herself the Queen was lovely to her in her book and interview. The Queen and Philip too tried to help her but it was Charles she wanted and he didn't want her. :bawling:
It was when Diana died and the Queen didn't come back to London for days that people criticized her, including me. I went right off her for a while after that.
I adored Diana, but she had many faults and did many things wrong - however she obviously had a heart of gold and was truly caring.

[arista]

Meghan is back on the scene tonight....

She has reported Piers Morgan. Either to Ofcom 26 thousand times, or has used and abused her power and went to the head of ITV.

Which ever one it is, I dont think its ever going to be mrs Meghan Morgan anytime soon.



Yes the Freak did.

[jet]

Who are we talking about? .
Because if its Meghan she WASN'T paid for the Oprah interview.

Apart from revenge, the interview was to get American's on side and boost publicity for their brand...and "I didn't let down Americans by not cutting it as a Duchess in the Royal family, they were horrible to me, nothing was my fault!"

[Zizu]

She really didn't behave despicably towards her - Diana said herself the Queen was lovely to her in her book and interview. The Queen and Philip too tried to help her but it was Charles she wanted and he didn't want her. :bawling:
It was when Diana died and the Queen didn't come back to London for days that people criticized her, including me. I went right off her for a while after that.
I adored Diana, but she had many faults and did many things wrong - however she obviously had a heart of gold and was truly caring.



You’re really suggesting that the Queen wasn’t aware of Charley-boy fornicating with Cammy when he was courting Di and throughout their sham of a marriage ??

Queenie conveniently turned a blind eye throughout as they needed a healthy young female to provide some babies ...


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You’re really suggesting that the Queen wasn’t aware of Charley-boy fornicating with Cammy when he was courting Di and throughout their sham of a marriage ??

Queenie conveniently turned a blind eye throughout as they needed a healthy young female to provide some babies ...


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Sad reality unfortunately :bored:

[Christmas Lights]

Apart from revenge, the interview was to get American's on side and boost publicity for their brand...and "I didn't let down Americans by not cutting it as a Duchess in the Royal family, they were horrible to me, nothing was my fault!"

She WASN'T paid , so the whole business about doing it for money is ridiculous.

If you want to talk about 'revenge' let's talk about Thomas Markle's motives shall we ??.

[Rustic bauble]

She WASN'T paid , so the whole business about doing it for money is ridiculous.

If you want to talk about 'revenge' let's talk about Thomas Markle's motives shall we ??.



Runs in the family I guess....

[jet]

You’re really suggesting that the Queen wasn’t aware of Charley-boy fornicating with Cammy when he was courting Di and throughout their sham of a marriage ??

Queenie conveniently turned a blind eye throughout as they needed a healthy young female to provide some babies ...


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I doubt she knew he was having an affair with Camilla before he and Diana married, as they kept it very quiet - she was married too after all.

Charles and Camilla were to blame for what they were doing, no - one else.

[joeysteele]

Who are we talking about? .
Because if its Meghan she WASN'T paid for the Oprah interview.

Oh that won't matter a jot Goldheart.

If she had been, the outcry would have been totally negative.
Since she didn't get paid, it's still totally negative.

Look, the Queen is saddened by what she's learned of the pain and how they were feeling.

Well that's good to hear.
A massive contrast from those who'd have Meghan and now it seems Prince Harry too.
Locked away never to be seen and heard of again.
Which of course they could do for themselves by not watching/ listening them or reading about them.
No one forces them to.
Even if they haven't watched the interview, they're still there with the attacks on her particularly.

I also can't recall when officially Prince Harry was ever arrested or charged with or convicted of any racist act.
Though I've just learned only on tibb Prince Harry is a PROVEN racist.
So I've learned something I guess today then
Sad the forum is used for outings like that as headlines however.

There's a lot said about the Queen on here..

Well I'd dare bet Her Majesty would be appalled if she were ever to read the comments on tibb of her Grandson and his wife, who the Queen stated and insisted on saying in her ONLY 61 words statement..
That Harry, Meghan and Archie remain much loved members of the family.

I guess others know better than the Queen.
Clearly the Queen however doesn't think they've disrespected her.
By saying she's saddened at how they've been struggling and feeling.
Showing far more empathy in those few words.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

can you imagine if Tommy Robinson said he wanted to get his truths over in an interview and announced that Nigel Farage would be conducting the interview?



this is how utterly ridiculous this panto is

[jet]

She WASN'T paid , so the whole business about doing it for money is ridiculous.

If you want to talk about 'revenge' let's talk about Thomas Markle's motives shall we ??.

Yeah, his motive was she was an uncaring, dismissive daughter who was ashamed of him once she bagged her Prince.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Yeah, his motive was she was an uncaring, dismissive daughter who was ashamed of him once she bagged her Prince.

So you agree that his intentions for selling stories on here were about getting even with her then

[Kazanne]

She behaved absolutely despicably towards Harry’s dearly departed mother throughout her time within the ‘family’ ... I wouldn’t forget that for one single moment.


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Well we dont know that for sure we weren't there,we only know what the media feed us and we know how toxic that is.

[jet]

I want to see Megs on Piers Morgan's Life Stories. :dance:
As she wouldn't have the balls, at least interviewed by someone who will ask her the tough questions. As she can't bear even the slightest criticism, that will never happen either. Sycophants only please!

[Christmas Lights]

So you agree that his intentions for selling stories on here were about getting even with her then

But he's the victim Glenn, poor man having to sell out his daughter for bitter revenge awww .

I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen or heard him in the media :bored: .

He probably blames Meghan for his scruffy disheveled appearances aswell .

[Josy]

I want to see Megs on Piers Morgan's Life Stories. :dance:

As she wouldn't have the balls, at least interviewed by someone who will ask her the tough questions. As she can't bear even the slightest criticism, that will never happen either. Sycophants only please!

Why would Meghan or anyone else give him the time of day after he basically called her a liar and rubbished claims when she spoke out about her mental health?

This being the same person that spouted and ranted all the #bekind bull**** not that long back.

But yes she wouldnt have the balls thats it let's run with that :rolleyes:

[jet]

Why would Meghan or anyone else give him the time of day after he basically called her a liar and rubbished claims when she spoke out about her mental health?

This being the same person that spouted and ranted all the #bekind bull**** not that long back.

But yes she wouldnt have the balls thats it let's run with that :rolleyes:

Tongue in cheek Josy.

[Josy]

Tongue in cheek Josy.
This is serious debates, so let's try keep it that way.

[Parmy]

Why would Meghan or anyone else give him the time of day after he basically called her a liar and rubbished claims when she spoke out about her mental health?

This being the same person that spouted and ranted all the #bekind bull**** not that long back.

But yes she wouldnt have the balls thats it let's run with that :rolleyes:



She has already shown her cowardice by snitching on piers to his bosses.

[Parmy]

The facts are, piers morgan poured her in a taxi one night and sent her on her way to a party where she met prince harry.

Piers Morgan actions are those of a scorned man.

[Smithy]

She has already shown her cowardice by snitching on piers to his bosses.

Yeah that was deffo Meghan fault :skull::skull:

[bots]

She has already shown her cowardice by snitching on piers to his bosses.

it's hardly snitching when he was broadcasting it to millions :laugh:

People have a right of opinion and also have a right to complain when they are misrepresented. I am not a meghan fan, but piers went way to far. Demented is actually how i would describe him

[Christmas Lights]

The facts are, piers morgan poured her in a taxi one night and sent her on her way to a party where she met prince harry.

Piers Morgan actions are those of a scorned man.

He's a pathetic idiot, his obsession with Meghan is the most unhealthy thing I've seen.

Question what does his wife think to his creepy behaviour !

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Some of their "facts" are inaccurate.
She said she didn't know who Harry was before they married.
That's not true.
And that she didn't really know her half sister, which is also not true.
Samantha said they were in contact over the years. There are pictures that prove it. :suspect:

[Josy]

Yeah that was deffo Meghan fault :skull::skull:Meghan did contact ITV with a complaint tbf it was on sky news earlier.

And she was quite right too imo.

However that was 1 complaint, Ofcom received over 40k from the public.

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Meghan did contact ITV with a complaint tbf it was on sky news earlier.

And she was quite right too imo.

However that was 1 complaint, Ofcom received over 40k from the public.

Exactly

[jet]

Some of their "facts" are inaccurate.
She said she didn't know who Harry was before they married.
That's not true.
And that she didn't really know her half sister, which is also not true.
Samantha said they were in contact over the years. There are pictures that prove it. :suspect:

Yes, she told many other porkies as well. 'Meghan's' truth and 'the' truth are 2 different things. :o

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Some of their "facts" are inaccurate.
She said she didn't know who Harry was before they married.
That's not true.
And that she didn't really know her half sister, which is also not true.
Samantha said they were in contact over the years. There are pictures that prove it. :suspect:

It's the tip of the iceberg Ness

It won't end well..

[joeysteele]

Meghan did contact ITV with a complaint tbf it was on sky news earlier.

And she was quite right too imo.

However that was 1 complaint, Ofcom received over 40k from the public.


That's right.

I do think she was right too, to complain.
He was, for being a presenter really like a man obsessed and demented.his ridiculous rantings would have been out of place anywhere.
Never mind in a workplace.

He's always been controversial though.
While I've agreed with some of his forceful interviewing during the pandemic.
His attitude of not letting others speak, even as to his co host.
Was tedious and became awful to watch really.

He just couldn't take truth being fired at him, very calmly by another.
So he childishly walked off the set.

Sadly he'll be back on other things and channels however.

[user104658]

Some of their "facts" are inaccurate.
She said she didn't know who Harry was before they married.

She didn't know who he was before they got married? I think you might have gotten the wrong end of the stick there - she didn't think she was on MAFS :joker:

[joeysteele]

You’re really suggesting that the Queen wasn’t aware of Charley-boy fornicating with Cammy when he was courting Di and throughout their sham of a marriage ??

Queenie conveniently turned a blind eye throughout as they needed a healthy young female to provide some babies ...


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I actually don't think Zizu, the Queen knows much that does go on in her family or with those employed to impose the Royal duty list of rules.
Or how they carry it out.

The Queen and the family treated Princess Diana disgracefully in my view.

I'd hope now that this has surfaced and that it's not just an outside addition to the Royals speaking out as In Meghan, however it's also a full Royal her grandson Prince Harry too.

That the Queen, still seeking sharp as ever will now genuinely look to trying to bring healing.
I'm not holding my breath on that.


On other issues now too.
One thing is likely and I feel Prince Harry and Meghan will have done this.
The Queen has stated she wants this dealt with privately as a family.

So she will need to have been told who made the inappropriate and more likely racist remark.
So the finger isn't pointed at all of them.
Dealing with it privately would indicate it's the Queen's intention to never have that said publicly or that she will have the Palace reveal who it is either.

HOWEVER, she'll likely even possibly now know who it was.
As she owes that to Prince Harry and Meghan to have that information in order to ' deal,' with it.
Plus Prince Harry and Meghan, need to tell her who it is too.

The Queen chose her wording carefully, she has stated that racist issue and mental health issues will be dealt with privately as a family.
Which means nothing will reach the public domain as to it.

She has taken in my view, the fact Prince Harry and Meghan never named anyone publicly.
Hence the now dealing privately the Queen has stated, which means as to that, the Queen can ensure it never does get revealed to the public who it was.

I think that wrong, because I think we should know who of the Royal family would ask such an inappropriate question.

However this is how the Palace controls totally.

[Rustic bauble]

Meghan is a coward and hasn’t the guts to be interviewed by anyone who would challenge her accusations or comments...

[Zizu]

Meghan is a coward and hasn’t the guts to be interviewed by anyone who would challenge her accusations or comments...



How do you know this exactly ..


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[jet]

The new battle royal - Palace says it gave top courtier to help Meghan, while Team Sussex says the duchess was abandoned

Palace staff watched Harry and Meghan’s interview in horror as they claimed she was left completely unsupported when she joined the Royal Family, it emerged last night.
The Daily Mail can reveal there is genuine hurt that the couple have perpetuated the image that Meghan was cut adrift and left to fend for herself.

In fact, sources say, the duchess was given a string of the Queen’s most senior staff as ‘mentors’ after the couple became engaged, as well as being allowed to hand-pick her own 15-strong team of loyal and talented private office staff.

‘It is very disingenuous to make such a sweeping generalisation,’ one insider said. ‘There was a brilliant team of very experienced and loyal aides to help them. Sadly, she and Harry were willing to listen to no one. And that is the honest truth.’

The Queen even personally persuaded her long-standing and extremely popular former deputy private secretary Samantha Cohen, who had just handed in her notice after working for the Royal Household for the best part of two decades, to stay on and work for the couple.
She was their first joint private secretary, running their private and public lives rather like a chief of staff.

One of her main roles was to help navigate Meghan through the wedding and prepare her for royal life. These included regular tutoring sessions on everything from royal etiquette to diplomatic protocol at Kensington Palace.

[Rustic bauble]

She didn't know who he was before they got married? I think you might have gotten the wrong end of the stick there - she didn't think she was on MAFS :joker:


Vanessa is right...she said she did not know who Prince Harry was before she met him...

[Christmas Lights]

Meghan is a coward and hasn’t the guts to be interviewed by anyone who would challenge her accusations or comments...

Make up your mind

One minute she's making too many limelight appearances , she was criticised for the Oprah interview before it was aired.

And now you want to see her in more interviews?? :conf:

[Rustic bauble]

How do you know this exactly ..


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The engagement interview was the first...no pressing questions obviously.
The documentary filmed by Harry’s friend just allowed them to air their sob story...and then Oprah...a friend of Meghan who gave a bias interview with no pressing questions other than allowing them to point finger and blame on others without channeling further questions to get an unbiased picture.

[Rustic bauble]

Make up your mind

One minute she's making too many limelight appearances , she was criticised for the Oprah interview before it was aired.

And now you want to see her in more interviews?? :conf:


I would like to see her challenged on her accusations...we all knew the Oprah interview was going to be utterly biased...she didn’t challenge her on any of her answers just allowed her to say what Meghan wanted to say. It was pathetic.

[Christmas Lights]

I would like to see her challenged on her accusations...we all knew the Oprah interview was going to be utterly biased...she didn’t challenge her on any of her answers just allowed her to say what Meghan wanted to say. It was pathetic.

It was a relaxed interview with Oprah to tell her story, it was NOT an interrogation debate .

As I said already the interview would of been farr too long if they went on about her dad & sister etc, and Meghan would get more critism if the interview broadcast over a few days rather than just 1 day.

But don't worry there's plenty of long winded interviews out there, that go on forever that you'll probably enjoy better than Harry & Meghan's 2 hour one.

[user104658]

Vanessa is right...she said she did not know who Prince Harry was before she met him...

Some of their "facts" are inaccurate.
She said she didn't know who Harry was before they married.

:nono: Maybe she meant "met", but as you can see, the actual post as-written is a ludicrous claim.

[Christmas Lights]

:nono: Maybe she meant "met", but as you can see, the actual post as-written is a ludicrous claim.

She never said she didn't know who the royals were though, she just didn't know much about Harry . I don't think she researched his life .

And tbh I've always thought the Americans seemed a bit out of touch with the monarchy as they don't have that , yes some of them are interested in the royal family but how many of them know the history?.

Even Brits themselves don't know everything, unless they're a royalist .

[Zizu]

:nono: Maybe she meant "met", but as you can see, the actual post as-written is a ludicrous claim.



I was thinking that ... more or less everyone in the world will have heard about Harry and knew of him ... that’s not the same as ‘knowing him’ ..

Things get changed around anyways... by the time something gets to print


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[Christmas Lights]

I was thinking that ... more or less everyone in the world will have heard about Harry and knew of him ... that’s not the same as ‘knowing him’ ..

Things get changed around anyways... by the time something gets to print


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Yeah she didn't know him personally yet

[joeysteele]

Yeah she didn't know him personally yet

Exactly.

It's still petty nitpicking in my view.
However for my own sanity, I'm not even going to attempt to reason with those there's no reasoning with.

I hate to see character assassination of anyone unnecessarily, I always think what if that was one of my family on the receiving end of that.
Especially against someone no one really knows, has never met, likely never will.
So has had no direct contact with.

The personal character assassination is what drives people to take their lives and cause deep emotional problems.

If it's someone like a politician for instance, that's a little different, because although we don't know politicians, all of them can and do impact on our lives by what they do in power.
Off topic, I have intense dislike of Boris Johnson, as a politician, for his actions as one and PM.

However when he was ill with covid, I hoped fur his recovery, I don't know him personally..
It's obvious he has loyalties to some friends and others in a personal sense.
I hate his politics.

I'll never know Meghan Markle, there's no way just out of decency, even, that I'd dismiss her mental health concerns, only she could know how she felt then.
Not the shock and hurt they both would feel at a family member questioning re the colour of their baby to be's skin.
What on earth should it matter what the skin colour would be.

I'm pleased the Queen has said those,2 things are serious concerns and she is saddened at the feelings and struggle her Grandson and his wife have had and felt through this time.
Since the Queen herself can accept these are serious issues..
Whose now showing the real disrespect to the Queen by inferring her Grandson and his wife are nothing other than liars and should be cast aside completely.

I doubt Her Majesty the Queen would in any way entertain or approve of such character assassination of these ''still much loved members of her family''.
( The Queen's own words that last line).
Plus of course the Queen is one who definitely knows her Grandson and his wife.

[Parmy]

One of Meghan's friends was given permission by meghan yesterday to appear on tv to say that there are emails about Meghan contacting he palace staff about her mental health..she said she lived it with her....hopefully it wssnt one if the friends Meghan's said she couldnt even meet for a coffee.