Shamima Begum : UK Supreme Court say no to her appeal

[Zizu]

Isn’t this like the 10th time she’s lost the citizenship she was never entitled to to begin with lol.
She should really consider making a life in Gaza :love:


Can you imagine this happening in any other fecking country .. plus the taxpayers are paying all her legal fees each time apparently


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[bots]

Can you imagine this happening in any other fecking country .. plus the taxpayers are paying all her legal fees each time apparently


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it's international law, so if it doesn't happen in every other country in the world, they are breaking the law

[Gusto Brunt]

Good but I heard she can go to a higher court and if that fails a court higher than that.

Then what is the point of the court that ruled today?

It's about as useful as a chocolate kettle, if it can be simply overruled by two higher courts.

Pathetic court system. Money making machine for lawyers that's all.

[bots]

she can appeal to the supreme court, but they are very unlikely to overturn it. That is her final option as she already tried the european court of human rights, and their ruling has no affect on the uk's decision

[Gusto Brunt]

she can appeal to the supreme court, but they are very unlikely to overturn it. That is her final option as she already tried the european court of human rights, and their ruling has no affect on the uk's decision

The ruling today SHOULD be her last!

[bots]

The ruling today SHOULD be her last!

why?

The legal system has a process that is available to everyone

[arista]

she can appeal to the supreme court, but they are very unlikely to overturn it. That is her final option as she already tried the european court of human rights, and their ruling has no affect on the uk's decision


Yes her Lawyers have confirmed they will now
do that.

[user104658]

My opinion remains the same as always on this - there shouldn't be sky-high court costs because the plain situation is that she was a British kid, radicalised in Britain, and thus she is Britain's responsibility. The refusal to acknowledge that is shirking responsibility and is purely political: there are far more dangerous individuals than Begum in the UK who they aren't even attempting to deport. This is high profile, and thus huge PR. Simple as that. Just sheer arrogance to say "we don't want her so some other country can deal with her". She should have been in the UK, in a UK prison, from day 1.

[user104658]

I'm re-imagining the end of the first Avengers film, they try to hand Loki over to Thor to deal with him and imprison him back on Asgard, but in this reality Thor is a UK politician/Law-maker so he says "LOL no **** that we don't want him on Asgard you have to keep him here on Earth sorry byeee!" and disappears into the sky. The hero we all want and need.

[Gusto Brunt]

why?

The legal system has a process that is available to everyone

Why? Because endless appeals and going to further courts makes a mockery of the previous courts' decisons.

They're worthless, as I said if their rulings can be overturned and dismissed.

That's why we have this insane asylum appeal process. A migrant is told he can not stay in the UK, but he can because he has many appeals, and then 99% these migrants stay in the UK.

It's a joke that's not funny. :mad:.

[bots]

Why? Because endless appeals and going to further courts makes a mockery of the previous courts' decisons.

They're worthless, as I said if their rulings can be overturned and dismissed.

That's why we have this insane asylum appeal process. A migrant is told he can not stay in the UK, but he can because he has many appeals, and then 99% these migrants stay in the UK.

It's a joke that's not funny. :mad:.

because everyone has the right of appeal

[Liam-]

Shirking our responsibilities again it seems

[arista]

Shirking our responsibilities again it seems


All 3 Judges said NO


4Million pounds on legal aid

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/14/21/44220531-9685909-image-a-68_1623703190492.jpg

No stay out
you Terrorist


For Liam

[arista]

Press need to ask the Labour Leader Starmer
on his view?

[arista]

SkyNews Lady Alex Crawford
has been in Syria
She went to Shamima's tent
but she refused to talk.

So Alex gave a great report
meeting all the other nation
Mothers stuck their young children.


Many were once in ISIS.


Brand New Report
Next Post 5mins YouTube

[arista]

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[user104658]

All 3 Judges said NO


4Million pounds on legal aid

I can only imagine they're under extremely heavy political pressure because there's really no justification for the "we don't want to deal with our own criminals you can just keep them in your country lol" stance. In terms of our international image it's absolutely abysmal and makes us look weak, petty and populist - not strong in the slightest.

[Redway]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/14/21/44220531-9685909-image-a-68_1623703190492.jpg


Yes now aged 21
But Not Legal to return to the UK


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9685909/Shamima-Begum-says-dumb-kid-fled-Syria-aged-15.html

There was me thinking she was just-about coming up to 21 now.

[thesheriff443]

If she genuinely no longer has terrorist sympathies and wants to work towards helping other young girls at risk of radicalisation... what possible reason is there to not at least explore that as an option? Obviously she would need to be assessed to ensure that it's genuine and not simply a ruse to get back into the country.

As always I struggle with this story - she was a child when she was radicalised and went off to become an ISIS bride, and has become a press poster-child and propaganda piece. I feel like there's very little examination of the actual individual situation at all, simply because it became such a high-profile tabloid thing, and that doesn't sit right.

Would be different if she's actually engaged in violence or in planning terrorist activity but she was essentially a dumb 15 year old who was tricked, seduced away from home, raped and impregnated. It's a mess and the UK's refusal to engage is, ultimately, ridiculously irresponsible.

15 year olds know right from wrong
Did you see her interview , it’s people like you that say killers or rapist’s have changed only for them to reoffend when released

She should be shot like every other terrorism supporter

[thesheriff443]

She didn’t run away from the terrorist’s when you found out the so called truth she stayed with them

She is only on the camp because her husband and others like him were captured

She would still be there breading killers for the cause

[user104658]

15 year olds know right from wrong
Did you see her interview , it’s people like you that say killers or rapist’s have changed only for them to reoffend when released

I've made no comment on what should happen to her in Britain other than the fact that it should be in Britain, because she left Britain as a British citizen, and she was radicalised in Britain. When did it become respectable for people to be so scoffingly unwilling to clean up their own mess? It's not an admirable trait but people are so bloody proud of it.

She should be shot like every other terrorism supporter

That's an entirely different debate but to play devil's advocate and say that one might believe that she should be executed for being a terrorist sympathiser... then that person should rightly believe that she should be executed IN BRITAIN for being a terrorist sympathiser. Because she's British and no amount of whining and bawling will change that.

[bots]

the law doesn't need to be socially correct or logical, that's why i would never ever rely on a court verdict going the way i want it to. I've met a couple of judges over the years, both of whom were entirely unpredictable in their verdicts

[Oliver_W]

Compromise - give her back citizenship, but don't give her any help to return.

[arista]

Compromise - give her back citizenship, but don't give her any help to return.


No Today her Final appeal
to become British, again.


Was Rejected


All media

[Parmy]

The massive over-statement of how supposedly dangerous she is (almost certainly far less dangerous than people who are already known to be living in the UK).

What do you think we should do with all these boats TS?

[Zizu]

No Today her Final appeal
to become British, again.


Was Rejected


All media


Hurrah !!

We’ve been paying for all these appeals !!


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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/06/14/21/44220531-9685909-image-a-68_1623703190492.jpg

Aged 21

No Return to the UK.

She is now stuck out there

[Zizu]

What do you think we should do with all these boats TS?


We should tow them back to the french coast then when it’s safe .. sink the boats beyond repair


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[user104658]

What do you think we should do with all these boats TS?

BUILD THE WALL

in the sea

A great sea wall. Turn the entire south coast into glorious white cliffs, building high letters saying "We don't emigrate to your pool, so don't swim in our country!" painted by hand by Nigel Farage himself.

https://i.giphy.com/f8zYDlcHGrrDW.webp

Let's goooooo etc etc.

[Parmy]

Yes, it was silly of me to expect a sensible answer.

[user104658]

Yes, it was silly of me to expect a sensible answer.

It wasn't a sensible question.

[arista]

Shamima was born in the UK

[arista]

"painted by hand by Nigel Farage himself."

No,
he Live at 7PM tonight
GBnewsHD

[user104658]

"painted by hand by Nigel Farage himself."

No,
he Live at 7PM tonight
GBnewsHD

He doesn't have to do it tonight we'll be fair and give him a couple of months. We have to extend the cliffs first obviously and importing that much chalk post-Brexit is a bloody NIGHTMARE.

[arista]

Her Lawyers are now going to
the European Courts of Rights

[Gusto Brunt]

Her Lawyers are now going to
the European Courts of Rights

She might win that.

[arista]

She might win that.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/07/13/88260307-13718625-image-a-30_1723033474524.jpg
Her in 2019


2024

February 23 - Court of Appeal judges dismiss Begum's appeal.

March 25: Begum loses her initial bid to appeal at the Supreme Court.

August 8: Justices rule she cannot appeal at the Supreme Court.



[The UK courts have for five years offered
no exit route despite the critical
humanitarian crisis in the camps.
Instead the Supreme Court has today left
resolution to another court, this time in Strasbourg.

'Whilst on behalf of Ms Begum we, her lawyers,
will take every possible legal step
including to petition the
European Court of Human Rights,
this is an issue that can and should
as the US urges, be resolved for all
nationals by their own countries.'

Begum left London in February
2015 aged 15 and travelled with two
school friends - Kadiza Sultana
and Amira Abase - to Syria.

In the country, Begum married
an ISIS fighter and gave birth to
three children, all of whom
died as infants.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13718625/Shamima-Begum-loses-final-court-challenge.html

[user104658]

The case is as cut and dry as it ever was. She was born in Britain, she was radicalised in Britain, whatever happens in terms of her future, it should be in Britain. The shirking is unreal.

[Nicky91]

She might win that.

yes because europe are woke


that will be the first thing what Dictator Farage & Reform will shout, when she won there

[arista]

The case is as cut and dry as it ever was.
She was born in Britain,
she was radicalised in Britain,
whatever happens in terms of her future,
it should be in Britain.
The shirking is unreal.


Do you think PM Starmer
will let her in,
if the European Court backs this female Terrorist?

[user104658]

Do you think PM Starmer
will let her in,
if the European Court backs this female Terrorist?

I personally don't think Labour will continue down the path of withdrawing from the ECHR so very possibly.

[arista]

She is in Northern Syria
now under Kurdish Control,
as the leader of Syria has left his nation,
to the ISIS and other groups,

This could be her chance to get free
again?

[The Slim Reaper]

British IDF soldiers who are brazenly committing crimes against humanity, should receive the same treatment.

[Parmy]

British IDF soldiers who are brazenly committing crimes against humanity, should receive the same treatment.

You've been very quiet over the years regarding Hamas and its treatment of the Palestinians, which has been nothing but barbaric. :shrug:

[arista]

Conservative Leader
said PM Starmer did back Shamima
to return to the UK.

2020

[bots]

it was the supreme court that made the final decision on her, not the government

[The Slim Reaper]

You've been very quiet over the years regarding Hamas and its treatment of the Palestinians, which has been nothing but barbaric. :shrug:

Hamas isn't the primary issue that Palestinians have. In fact, if they weren't occupied and forced to live under a system of apartheid, then Hamas wouldn't even exist.

When people are desperate, it paves the way for groups like Hamas, who have been the only people actually providing aid to the Palestinians. They've also clearly stated that they would disband upon Palestine being it's own country again, rather than an open air prison.

Most of these countries that are now infested with terrorist groups were open progressive countries until The US got involved, in order to put dictators in place they thought they could control.

Maybe you should try reading a bit of history once in a while? Might help provide some genuine historical context.

[Parmy]

Hamas isn't the primary issue that Palestinians have. In fact, if they weren't occupied and forced to live under a system of apartheid, then Hamas wouldn't even exist.

When people are desperate, it paves the way for groups like Hamas, who have been the only people actually providing aid to the Palestinians. They've also clearly stated that they would disband upon Palestine being it's own country again, rather than an open air prison.

Most of these countries that are now infested with terrorist groups were open progressive countries until The US got involved, in order to put dictators in place they thought they could control.

Maybe you should try reading a bit of history once in a while? Might help provide some genuine historical context.



God knows where you read that absolute rubbish.:shrug:

Before the jews came the place was a barren dust land. They transformed it into farm land, where the goods were used to feed the country. Hamas steals aid, palastinians have confirmed this and condemned hamas, asking for the Israelis to wipe them out.

[The Slim Reaper]

God knows where you read that absolute rubbish.:shrug:

Before the jews came the place was a barren dust land. They transformed it into farm land, where the goods were used to feed the country. Hamas steals aid, palastinians have confirmed this and condemned hamas, asking for the Israelis to wipe them out.

"The Jews"

They could have paved the whole country with gold, and it still doesn't change the fact that "the Jews" were welcomed into Palestine at the end of the war, only to then turn around and turf truly indigenous people out of their homes and turn it into a Jewish supremacy, ethno-state.

Don't believe the propaganda you've been fed, parmy warmy.

Which bits do you think are wrong?

[Parmy]

"The Jews"

They could have paved the whole country with gold, and it still doesn't change the fact that "the Jews" were welcomed into Palestine at the end of the war, only to then turn around and turf truly indigenous people out of their homes and turn it into a Jewish supremacy, ethno-state.

Don't believe the propaganda you've been fed, parmy warmy.

Which bits do you think are wrong?

All of your propaganda weepy reapy.

[The Slim Reaper]

All of your propaganda weepy reapy.

And yet you have no response. Must be tough, pumpy dumpy.

[Parmy]

They bought them out there homes.

[The Slim Reaper]

What the what, now?

[user104658]

Before the jews came the place was a barren dust land. They transformed it into farm land, where the goods were used to feed the country.

:joker: Can I interest you in this chocolate teapot, Parmy? It takes only barebones historical knowledge to understand that this is a complete myth/propaganda. "They made the desert bloom!!" ... lol. Though to be fair, in a fantasy history of Gods, Monsters, parting seas and virgin births I guess that one's fairly easy to buy into.

just imagine how much more fertile the land will be once the alien drones head over there to help out :flutter:. They're stuck at Manchester airport at the moment unfortunately, their navigation systems are all off-kilter because they calibrated them for a spherical earth, not realising that it's flat as a pancake! Silly old alien drones. Trump'll fix them.

[arista]

[Counterterrorism review calls for Shamima Begum
and other British-linked people in Syria to be repatriated

The review warns that the current policy
of leaving such women, men and children in limbo
is "unsustainable" and risks turning the
detention camps in northeastern Syria into
"Britain's Guantanamo".]


https://news.sky.com/story/counterterrorism-review-calls-for-shamima-begum-and-other-british-linked-people-in-syria-to-be-repatriated-13468688

[Livia]

I would rather see Begum and all those like her, dead rather than repatriated.

[arista]

Sky News Text :
[Daily Express features an article on
Shamima Begum's UK return bid being revived
after judges in Strasbourg challenged Britain's stance.]


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ee27eaa1-6159-42ff-ae8d-c586f85f58de.jpeg

[Cherie]

Not surprised, she was the first person I thought of when they left Mr Egypt with the dodgy tweets back in

[Livia]

This country's finished...

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-3380afff-d18b-4750-aa3d-dfde657a7274.jpeg

[Oliver_W]

Why would European courts where some terrorist-adjacent cow lives?

Getting involved seems borderline malicious.

[bots]

Starmer is on a knife edge with this now

[arista]

Why would European courts where some terrorist-adjacent cow lives?

Getting involved seems borderline malicious.


It is what they do.

Also, they do not have the info our
Home Secretary had,
at the time she was removed