USA Troops to leave Afghanistan by 11 September (2 Suicide bomber outside airport)

[arista]

The Taliban has refused
to talk until All Troops from Every Nation leave.


Many say the Taliban will take full Control
via a Civil War

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56737563

[The USA would miss a May deadline for a pull-out agreed
with the Taliban by the Trump administration last year.
The new deadline would coincide with
the 20th anniversary of the terror attacks on
the World Trade Center and the Pentagon
in the USA in 2001.]

When WION HD
[SkyHD 523]
reported this, Typical of
India they Showed the Video of
2 Planes hitting
the World Trade Centre in 2001.




Sign Of The Times

[arista]

Biden was Live both news channels
talking about this

[Tom4784]

It's the right thing to do, the west interfering in the middle east has never really changed things for the better, we've just created power vacuums for terrorists.

Now I hope he fixes the problems at the border as quickly.

[arista]

It's the right thing to do, the west interfering in the middle east has never really changed things for the better, we've just created power vacuums for terrorists.

Now I hope he fixes the problems at the border as quickly.


Yes but the Taliban will then take Full control
and put women back to how they were
before the invasion.

So long as all understand
the Taliban are going Strict Extreme Muslim.

[arista]

1411279009741217794

[arista]

Taliban are slowly taking over.


300 Afghan Troops Flee to Tajikistan

Just Reported on Al JazeeraHD


Thats 300 troops Fully trained by USA or UK troops.
but they still ran to another nation.


More Money Wasted


Women and Girls in that nation are halting Education
as staying alive matters more

[Crimson Dynamo]

invading countries trying to impose democracy does not work

let them get on with it

[ThomasC]

It's the right thing to do, the west interfering in the middle east has never really changed things for the better, we've just created power vacuums for terrorists.

Now I hope he fixes the problems at the border as quickly.

Well what were we to do? Al qaeda had claimed attack with the world trade centres.

Were we to take action or let more people die?

[ThomasC]

invading countries trying to impose democracy does not work

let them get on with it

It’s really not as simple as that. If it was we wouldn’t have gone to war in the first place.

I would agree that us having put in all the help we have that the Afghan army can deal with it themselves.

The talibans decisions affect ours. We couldn’t stand back and do nothing after 9/11. Where do you draw the line and say enough is enough?

[arista]

One UK Troop said on Times Radio
what did his mattes Die for?
The nation is going back to how it was.

[ThomasC]

And now the talliban have hold of our weapons that w3 left behind.

Madness.

This is very dangerous

[arista]

And now the talliban have hold of our weapons that w3 left behind.

Madness.

This is very dangerous



Yes great New Reports by Alex Crawford on SkyNewsHD.

https://news.sky.com/story/the-taliban-are-making-gains-in-afghanistan-and-showing-off-their-progress-to-the-world-12348957


Those 300 Troops that ran into another nation
is the future.


Taliban is taking Control.

[arista]

invading countries trying to impose democracy does not work

let them get on with it




Yes is sad for all the Girls and Women
that started Education.
They now must halt
or Die.

[user104658]

It’s really not as simple as that. If it was we wouldn’t have gone to war in the first place.

I would agree that us having put in all the help we have that the Afghan army can deal with it themselves.

The talibans decisions affect ours. We couldn’t stand back and do nothing after 9/11. Where do you draw the line and say enough is enough?


You realise, I assume, that 9/11 was far from the start of western involvement in Afghanistan? The Afghan war goes back as far as the late 1970’s, was heavily infused with US/Soviet union tensions throughout the 80’s, and 9/11 itself was a direct consequence of US involvement in the Middle East.

I’m not really taking a moral stance here, the politics is complicated but to frame it as the west saying “enough is enough” and only getting involved post-911 is just not the case, the west was 20+ years balls deep in the situation by 2001.

[bots]

plenty of outside forces have tried to tame Afghanistan almost for centuries, and no-one has ever succeeded. It's in part the terrain and also the people. Short of levelling it, no-one is going to force their will on them.

They can stop the terrorist training camps and that will continue without needing boots on the ground. Drone technology allows constant monitoring, we don't need boots on the ground anymore to keep things in check

[arista]

plenty of outside forces have tried to tame Afghanistan almost for centuries, and no-one has ever succeeded. It's in part the terrain and also the people. Short of levelling it, no-one is going to force their will on them.

They can stop the terrorist training camps and that will continue without needing boots on the ground. Drone technology allows constant monitoring, we don't need boots on the ground anymore to keep things in check



Yes the Future
USA Armed Drones

[arista]

From WION HD Gravitas show
last night

1,037 Afghan Troops have entered Tajikistan
to save their lives.

They are accepting all these people into their nation
above Afghanistan.




This is why the Taliban
is taking over with ease in some locations

[arista]

US left Bagram Airbase
at night with no notice,
Afghan commander says

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/11CDD/production/_119252927_mediaitem119252926.jpg


[The US military left Bagram Airfield - its key base
in Afghanistan - in the dead of night without
notifying the Afghans, the base's new
commander said.
General Asadullah Kohistani told the BBC that
the US left Bagram at 03:00 local time on Friday,
and that the Afghan military found out hours later.

Bagram also contains a prison, and there
are reportedly up to 5,000 Taliban prisoners
left in the facility.]

[The Taliban have been advancing rapidly
in Afghanistan as US troops withdraw.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57682290

[UserSince2005]

America tried her best. Time to give in and let barbarity take over. Just please save the LGBTs.

[arista]

America tried her best. Time to give in and let barbarity take over. Just please save the LGBTs.



No they must leave the country fast
Taliban will kill them.

[arista]

[Afghan troops are filmed laying
down arms as US general overseeing NATO exit says
he's shocked by how quickly they've surrendered to the Taliban
and 1,000 are caught fleeing the country

The Afghan army is collapsing across the country,
with videos posted by the Taliban
showing troops laying down their US-made weapons
and handing over the keys
to their Humvee armoured cars
The US left Bagram Airfield last week - its fortress
in the country for nearly 20 years - by slipping
away in the night without telling the base's new
Afghan commander who discovered
they had gone the next morning
However, General Austin Scott Miller,
commander of US and Nato troops in Afghanistan,
said he was shocked by how quickly
the Afghan National Army had
surrendered to the resurgent jihadists
'I don't like leaving friends in need,' he told ABC on Monday.
'We should be concerned. The loss of terrain and the
rapidity of that loss of terrain has to be concerning.
You look at the security situation, it's not good'
More than a thousand Afghan National Army
soldiers fled into Tajikistan from the northern
province of Badkhshan following clashes with
the resurgent jihadists on Sunday
Tajikistan said that the Afghans were
allowed to enter on the principle of 'good neighbourliness'
but called up 20,000 reservists to bolster its border
guard and prevent further flooding of the frontier]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9760119/20-000-Tajikistan-troops-ordered-border-stop-Afghanistan-soldiers-fleeing-Taliban.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/06/13/45099089-9760119-Taliban_fighters_survey_armoured_trucks_and_cars_s eized_from_an_-a-6_1625574786242.jpg

Yes Taliban its all yours
Free from President Biden in USA.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/06/13/45099079-9760119-A_line_of_US_made_Humvee_armoured_cars_which_have_ fallen_into_th-a-10_1625574788764.jpg

Yes Armoured Cars
Free to you the Taliban
from USA President Biden.

[arista]

Biden leaving Weapons?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/06/13/45099075-9760119-The_terror_group_showed_off_piles_of_guns_and_rock et_launchers_w-a-13_1625574791718.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/06/13/45099077-9760119-A_Taliban_fighter_shows_off_a_US_standard_issue_M4 A1_assault_rif-a-15_1625574798329.jpg
[A Taliban fighter shows off a US standard issue M4A1
assault rifle seized from the Afghan base ]

[ThomasC]

You realise, I assume, that 9/11 was far from the start of western involvement in Afghanistan? The Afghan war goes back as far as the late 1970’s, was heavily infused with US/Soviet union tensions throughout the 80’s, and 9/11 itself was a direct consequence of US involvement in the Middle East.

I’m not really taking a moral stance here, the politics is complicated but to frame it as the west saying “enough is enough” and only getting involved post-911 is just not the case, the west was 20+ years balls deep in the situation by 2001.

Well from my understanding the invasion happened after the 9/11 attack in 2001, but I could be wrong.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/06/13/45099079-9760119-A_line_of_US_made_Humvee_armoured_cars_which_have_ fallen_into_th-a-10_1625574788764.jpg

Yes Armoured Cars
Free to you the Taliban
from USA President Biden.



Look at that Thomas

[ThomasC]

Look at that Thomas

Yeah I saw it a couple of days a go. :joker: on the news.

They've left a lot of weapons and trucks.

If you haven't seen Kajaki you should watch it. Very powerful and intense film

[arista]

Yeah I saw it a couple of days a go. :joker: on the news.

They've left a lot of weapons and trucks.

If you haven't seen Kajaki you should watch it. Very powerful and intense film


Yes, but they were left for the
Afghan troops (Trained by USA)
who have run away like cowards

[ThomasC]

Yes, but they were left for the
Afghan troops (Trained by USA)
who have run away like cowards

Well there's not much hope then, is there? :shrug:

But we will put our troops lives at risk.

[arista]

Well there's not much hope then, is there? :shrug:

But we will put our troops lives at risk.


Loads died for Nothing.

[arista]

Angela Rayner
Deputy Leader of Labour
just told the PM
the women need protecting?


They may need protecting
but the Taliban who are taking over
demand women to stay at home
no more Education.


The USA left
all others are as well.


Live SkyNewsHD & Parliament Ch.

[arista]

MP's keep asking how will the UK
protect Women and Girls Education.

Johnson has said no more Military
to help.


So all the work done to help Women and Girls
was WASTED

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/08/13/45193611-9768817-image-a-24_1625747034164.jpg


UK troops arriving home.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/07/07/09/45136987-9763907-image-a-21_1625645942443.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9768817/Boris-Johnson-confirms-British-military-personnel-left-Afghanistan-ALREADY.html

[Oliver_W]

It's a double-edged sword, innit. I'm not a fan of fighting for lost causes, and the Middle East isn't going to "grow up" any time soon, no matter how much intervention the West attempts. buuuut withdrawing is going to make things worse for the Average Joes over there, with all the insurgents who'll pop right back up when they're given the chance.

[arista]

Last night Gravitas show
on WOIN HD (SkyHD Ch523) 6:30PM

Showed Graphic Content
of Afghan Troops being Executed.
22 surrendered as they run out of bullets
but all were shot dead by the Taliban Troops.
This was on the 16th of June
they warned viewers of Graphic Content.
The Internet has far worse content


a Link
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/13/asia/afghanistan-taliban-commandos-killed-intl-hnk/index.html

[arista]

The Taliban
have now taken control of
of the 3 Main Border Crossings
into Afghanistan which is a clever move
as all traders pay at the border to enter.

The Taliban Leaders will meet with the Government
on Friday.
But will the Government Surrender?


BBC2HD Newsnight report
last night.

[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/07/fears-grow-for-afghan-interpreters-left-behind-after-dutch-pull-out/

fears grow for afghan interpreters left behind, after dutch pull out


Several dozen interpreters who worked for the Dutch military effort in Afghanistan are still living in danger in their home country, despite government pledges to bring them to safety, Trouw reported on Wednesday.

People who worked as interpreters are regarded as traitors by the Taliban but not all of them were moved to the Netherlands by the time the Dutch pulled out last month, the paper said.

Trouw is in contact with two Afghans who still reside in the country and who worked for the Dutch. One of them worked as an interpreter, translator and liaison officer for the European police training scheme EUPol, the other worked as a security guard for the Dutch and as an interpreter for the Hungarian military.

The man who worked for EUPol is still waiting to be told if he can come to the Netherlands, while the security guard and interpreter has been refused entry, Trouw said. Working as a security guard does not fall under the interpreters’ scheme.

Parliament agreed in 2019 that interpreters who worked for the Dutch army should automatically be given a visa and allowed to apply for asylum once in the Netherlands.

However, the defence ministry told the paper that the majority of interpreters still waiting for a ruling only submitted their applications last month. In addition, more applications are being made all the time, including some by people who never worked for the military, the ministry said.

Families

Trouw says that at least 70 of the 273 interpreters who are officially said to have worked for the ministry are still in Afghanistan along with their families.

Former advocate general Jan Gras, who spent three years working with EUPol in Afghanistan, told Trouw every Afghan who worked for the peace keeping mission is in danger, and that includes police officers as well..

The Dutch claim that they don’t know who worked for them is ‘total nonsense’, he told Trouw.

‘The Netherlands had a major role in the EUPol mission. We were the biggest group and they were proud of it in The Hague. The Afghans who worked for EUPol were employed by the European Union and in Brussels they know who was on the payroll.’

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7dTqrbXoAI_fIG?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

Afghanistan: Fighting rages as Taliban besiege three key cities


[Taliban fighters have entered parts
of Herat, Lashkar Gah and Kandahar.
They have made rapid gains in rural areas since
it was announced almost all foreign troops would go by September.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58040141

[arista]

Ch4HDnews report
Pakistan Fighters have Joined the Taliban
who now control half the nation.

President Biden said the Taliban can not take the whole nation?

It appears to be a matter of time
before they take Kabul.

One man said his 2 Daughters
were taken to marry the Taliban fighters
or they all Die.

[michael21]

Ch4HDnews report
Pakistan Fighters have Joined the Taliban
who now control half the nation.

President Biden said the Taliban can not take the whole nation?

It appears to be a matter of time
before they take Kabul.

One man said his 2 DaughtersV
were taken to marry the Taliban fighters
or they all Die.

Thread title need to be updated with the year 11 September 2021

Or is it next year :conf:

Yes the poor can watch channel 4 news

[arista]

WION HD
just reported all TV services Helmand Region halted
as the Taliban now control it.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD just just reported a Massive Bomb
in Kabul near the Governor's home.

[arista]

That Bomb was in a car
in the safe green zone near a minister's home
8 civilians were killed.

It took 5 hours for the security forces to track
them, all Five Taliban terrorists were killed.

Ref: WION HD news

[arista]

From Ch4HDnews

[Taliban assassinate head of Afghan government's
press office in Kabul
as Islamists Terrorists also seize control
of their first regional capital]

He was shot while he was in his car.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/06/16/46364559-9868757-_Menapal_was_a_young_man_who_stood_like_a_mountain _in_the_face_o-m-31_1628262187013.jpg
Easy Target in his car.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9868757/Taliban-assassinate-head-Afghan-governments-press-office-car-outside-mosque-Kabul.html

[arista]

AlJazeeraHD


Has an Exclusive Report
The Press and Camera man were told
to leave the car, then they walked into a city.


Shops now all have Taliban Flags
then they are safe.

Any that do not like the Taliban
have already left.


Reports the Taliban are now taking more zones over.
USA President Biden says Fighter Jets will attack the Taliban?

[arista]

Taliban capture three regional capitals

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58135148


[The Taliban have captured three regional capitals
in Afghanistan as they continue to
make sweeping territorial gains in the country.
They seized control of the key northern
city of Kunduz on Sunday,
as well as Sar-e-Pul and Taloqan.

It means five regional capitals have fallen
to the militants since Friday,
with Kunduz being their most
important gain this year.
The city is well connected to
other areas, including the capital Kabul.]

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/21/08/2048x1152/skynews-afghanistan-map-taliban_5472374.png?bypass-service-worker&20210808174944


2 maps, 13 -April -2021

and 32 -July-2021



Shows the massive increase
of land now under the Taliban.

[arista]

Taliban is now collecting $2.5M per day
in Tax Revenues

Ref:TRTworldHD Live debate

[Livia]

It was all worth it then. The deaths, the injuries.... and now the Taliban has taken back the WHOLE country. Personally I'd bomb the place into a car park.

[bots]

It was all worth it then. The deaths, the injuries.... and now the Taliban has taken back the WHOLE country. Personally I'd bomb the place into a car park.

i think that's what will basically happen. Drones will be busier than ever

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13983/production/_119895208_humvee.jpg

[The Taliban fighters showed off the Humvee they had captured]


[Secunder Kermani
BBC News, Balkh Province:
I point out that the Taliban are the
ones who have started the fighting.

"No," he retorts. "We had a government and
it was overthrown. They [the Americans] started the fighting."

Ainuddin and the rest of the Taliban
feel momentum is with them, and that they
are on the cusp of returning to dominance
after being toppled by the US-led invasion in 2001.

"They are not giving up Western culture… so we
have to kill them," he says
of the "puppet government" in Kabul.

Shortly after we finish speaking we hear
the sound of helicopters above us.
The Humvee and the Taliban fighters
quickly disperse. It's a reminder of the
continuing threat the Afghan air force
poses to the insurgents, and that
the battle is still far from over.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58156772

[joeysteele]

Seems an odd time to be leaving to me.

[arista]

Seems an odd time to be leaving to me.



The Problem is they all have now left,


Ch4News showed some shocking Video
as the Taliban took over yet another town
they dragged a Dead Afghan Soldier along the ground
for all to see.

[arista]

China is now doing Deals with the Taliban.


Reported on TRTworldHD & WION HD news.

[joeysteele]

Really sad.
The worry where does all go now as to Afghanistan and even other areas.

[Ninastar]

Ehhh, I don’t see this as a good thing really. Great for the soldiers and their families… but not so good for Afghanistan itself. It’s only a matter of time before terrorism spikes again.

These are scary times… and I am not looking forward to it

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B0FE/production/_119901354_metro120821-nc.png

[arista]

Ehhh, I don’t see this as a good thing really. Great for the soldiers and their families… but not so good for Afghanistan itself. It’s only a matter of time before terrorism spikes again.

These are scary times… and I am not looking forward to it


President Biden
said today
they are on their own.

He started the Pull-Out
all other nations had to follow.

It was an Invasion with no end.
Yes, many Army people fear
Terrorism in the west,
could start again.

[joeysteele]

What a nightmare for those left there who hoped for a better and safer future.

How can we just walk away after getting involved in the first place.
Whether we should or shouldn't have is now immaterial.

If we're walking away, with it heading to be as bad as when we went in.

No wonder we are not trusted.

[bots]

All the peace keeping forces wanted out, not just the usa. They had been there for 20 years, if it's not sorted in that trime, it's never going to be sorted. You can't change a country if the people with strength don't want to change

[Nicky91]

All the peace keeping forces wanted out, not just the usa. They had been there for 20 years, if it's not sorted in that trime, it's never going to be sorted. You can't change a country if the people with strength don't want to change

+100

which is why we are the elite, and they are nothing more than a dumb irrelevant third world country

[arista]

Taliban take 10th provincial capital as Ghazni falls


That is on the way to Kabul.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58184202

[Cherie]

This is so sad, can't think what the families who had relatives sent out there and didn't return are thinking, it really was all for nothing

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/13006/production/_119903877_gettyimages-1234621806.jpg

Yes Kabul the last place
to stay, for now.

[joeysteele]

The phrase was it,or it was, all for nothing, on this thread certainly seems to sum up the desperately sad state of affairs being left there again now.

This is the result of all the efforts of all the organisations involved in the action taken in Afghanistan.
Virtually nothing changed.

Really awful.

[arista]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIbVWNy7HBk


Isn't It a Pity
George Harrison.

[arista]

The Taliban have now taken the City of Herat

11th Zone


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58184202

[joeysteele]

The Taliban have now taken the City of Herat

11th Zone


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58184202


It's really depressing.

The fear so many there must be living in now doesn't bear thinking about.

[bots]

we are sending 600 troops there to help get any uk citizens out

[arista]

we are sending 600 troops there to help get any uk citizens out


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58195286

[arista]

USA is sending 3,000 men

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/951B/production/_119917183_metro130821-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/E33B/production/_119917185_guard13aug1front01-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1315B/production/_119917187_tel1001ic-dtndt-1-130821-a001c-dt-nc.png

[Livia]

It's dreadful what's happening to the ordinary Afghan people.

Isn't it about time one of the Islamic countries stepped in?

[arista]

It's dreadful what's happening to the ordinary Afghan people.

Isn't it about time one of the Islamic countries stepped in?


No they have their own problems.

[Livia]

No they have their own problems.

And we don't?

[arista]

[On Friday, the Taliban seized the country's
second largest city Kandahar,
the latest provincial capital to fall.
The southern city of 600,000 people was
once the Taliban's stronghold,
and is strategically important as a trade hub.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58191638



[The Taliban also took the nearby city
of Lashkar Gah and now control about
a third of Afghanistan's provincial capitals.]

[arista]

The 3,000 USA Army
are going to escort all American Civilian & Embassy staff
in safety.

The UK 600 troops
also going there
to escort British Civilian & Embassy Staff.



Meanwhile
The Taliban is going towards Kabul.

[arista]

Lisa Nandy Labour MP
is crazy.

She seems to think the USA/UK
must stay there and help the Afghan Army?

But many of them have left
no longer willing to fight.

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
Johnson PM, who just had a Cobra Meeting
Confirmed no more Combat

ONLY diplomatic talks
take Note Labour MP's

[arista]

Ch4HDnews showed
the Taliban with 3 USA Helicopters
in a Hanger.

[joeysteele]

Well I'd guess a lot of veterans who helped fight in Afghanistan.
Will be thinking what are the losses of their comrades lives for.
What were their own efforts even for.

I actually wouldn't have agreed with going in, in the first place, however now walking callously away leaving goodness knows how many civilians to be ending up being killed.
I think is wrong, totally wrong too.

[arista]

Well I'd guess a lot of veterans who helped fight in Afghanistan.
Will be thinking what are the losses of their comrades lives for.
What were their own efforts even for.

I actually wouldn't have agreed with going in, in the first place, however now walking away leaving goodness knows how many civilians to be ending up being killed.
I think is wrong, totally wrong.


Its all down to One Person
President Biden

He ordered all his troops
out, fast.

[arista]

No way can Nato
take over

[joeysteele]

Its all down to One Person
President Biden

He ordered all his troops
out, fast.

He delivered yes, his predecessor's plan to pull out.
Yes however, I think Biden is wrong on this.

Then also, why were we there.
As poodles to the USA or genuinely because we cared, rather than just claim to care.

I see this partly as an abandonment of duty myself.
Which will only bring about more hatred against the West from more Afghans, increasing the likelihood of, from the Taliban's hatred of the West of now more terrorist attacks.

The thing we, in part went in to eradicate hopefully.

Around 2 decades and now heading back to square one.
Nothing at all to be proud of in my view.

[bots]

the americans are adamant that the afghan government have the security forces necessary to maintain their position. We have been training those forces for 20 years. America and nato have also pledged the air power to assist them. There are limits on what forces can do in a country with the terrain that Afghanistan has. We have to accept that and try and ensure that it doesnt become a terrorist haven in the future using intelligence and drone strikes. We have moved on a long way from the technology that was available 20 years ago

[joeysteele]

20 years of advancement in technology haven't stopped the Taliban again reclaiming territory they were driven from over the last 20 years.

Nor is it, although I know it's not a cool thing to care about lost lives at times on here, however nor is that advancement in technology going to stop the killing of innocent civilians in Afghanistan again.
In fact it's not now, as innumerable lives are likely being lost already now.

Technology may have advanced.
It's not much help in this current murderous and terrorism rising again situation.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/12748/production/_119929557_i-newspaper_page1_1408.png

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

It's dreadful what's happening to the ordinary Afghan people.

Isn't it about time one of the Islamic countries stepped in?

Do any of them see shariah as a bad thing?

[bots]

The crux of the issue is this .... does Afghanistan pose a present threat to the security of western nations. The answer is no, not at the moment. If that situation changes then we can expect some swift action. Until then, all we can do is let the country sort it's issues out for itself. It's not feasible to prop up a government indefinitely that can't look after itself. It's had 20 years of aid and assistance and that is still continuing, but it's up to the government to have it's own troops and forces on the ground to ensure that law and order is maintained

[Livia]

We've been having our arses kicked in Afghan since the first Afghan war in about 1840. No more British lives should be wasted here, let other Islamic countries sort them out.

[arista]

The Taliban Fighters
are 30miles from Kabul

They have sent instructions
ahead, saying "you must surrender"

[joeysteele]

Really makes you wonder why we went in and interfered in the first place then and stayed there around 20 years under successive governments.

Only to then pack up and leave it and it's innocent citizens to the mercy of , yes, in fact terrorists again.

What a disgrace to the already lost lives of the armed services.
All lost for what , NOTHING.

[arista]

Taliban are now doing deals with China.

Its their nation now.

[arista]

Taliban now
7miles from Kabul.................

[arista]

Labour leader has just said we can not walk away?


Is he Stupid or something?

Once the USA Troops pulled out late at night, fast,
we had to leave fast.

[arista]

The UK 600 Troops are to go in
at the next weekend
but their job is to get out UK civilians and embassy staff.

[Cherie]

Taliban are now doing deals with China.

Its their nation now.

Not good at all

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2A0B/production/_119936701_observer-nc.png

[bots]

the government forces aren't putting up any resistance at all. Many cities have surrendered without a shot even being fired. That says to me that the government isn't legitimate. The future once the government has gone will be local clans fighting each other and thats going to be imminent

[MTVN]

The posts here about 'all for nothing' do seem pretty accurate right now, 20 years of fighting for positive change in the country reversed in a matter of weeks

It's not always felt this way but there had been a lot of progress as well, think of the number of girls in Afghanistan who were able to get an education again, the people who were able to vote for the first time, the success of things like the Afghan cricket team in the last ten years. All things that will now be outlawed and instead Afghanistans biggest export will be terrorism again

[bots]

it's a lot easier for western nations to justify intervention when there is a direct terrorist threat to them. It's going to be a cyclic thing i think. The last time, the taliban had all the left over russian military hardware to boost their defences. Now they have the updated american gear. It's going to be grim

[MTVN]

The Taliban are now in Kabul meeting no resistance, looks like total surrender

[bots]

Reports saying the taliban have entered kabul and there was no resistance

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[Cherie]

The posts here about 'all for nothing' do seem pretty accurate right now, 20 years of fighting for positive change in the country reversed in a matter of weeks

It's not always felt this way but there had been a lot of progress as well, think of the number of girls in Afghanistan who were able to get an education again, the people who were able to vote for the first time, the success of things like the Afghan cricket team in the last ten years. All things that will now be outlawed and instead Afghanistans biggest export will be terrorism again

I understand that but my understanding was that they were training the local forces to keep control and they have literally done nothing ....and where are those educated girls now and what will happen to them

[joeysteele]

Rory Stewart who knows Afghanistan like the back of his hand.
On TV this morning has stated the Taliban takeover would be rapid because the air power of the USA and UK was needed to protect the gains we'd help make and head off the Taliban.

Now it seems to me then, with Iran, Pakistan and again Afghanistan the area again is once again, an extremely worrying and dangerous one with an again even bigger breeding ground for terrorists and building up that terrorism too.

What a legacy to leave after 20 years.
The fear there must be now in those Afghan citizens who believed we'd helped give them a more free and maybe secure future, must be unimaginable.

[arista]

Yes, they are allowing those that want to leave
can now leave via the Military airport.

[bots]

the afghan pm put out a statement saying the taliban werent in kabul and they were ready to secure the city .... the guy is clearly just a liar

[arista]

the Afghan pm put out a statement saying the taliban werent in kabul and they were ready to secure the city .... the guy is clearly just a liar


Telling his troops to Fight?
He should join them.

[arista]

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Some are fighting

[arista]

Brave Stuart Ramsey
in Kabul
reporting for SkyNewsHD.

The only way out is the Airport, now

[arista]

Taliban want all women to be moved
to safe places in Kabul?


Stuart Ramsey reported from
his Hotel in Kabul.

[MTVN]

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Must be pretty terrifying for all reporters and British/American staff there, only 3 days ago they were still saying Kabul could hold out for a year

[Cherie]

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Must be pretty terrifying for all reporters and British/American staff there, only 3 days ago they were still saying Kabul could hold out for a year



Well then

[MTVN]

I understand that but my understanding was that they were training the local forces to keep control and they have literally done nothing ....and where are those educated girls now and what will happen to them

Fair point and the capitulation is pretty staggering. I know we've still been there but our involvement has been pretty limited for years and the country has seemed relatively stable. Can only think there was such a lack of confidence in their government and their superiors that most of the Afghan army haven't thought it was worth fighting to protect

[bots]

remember the crap that got thrown at trump when he withdrew usa troops from the turkish border? This is much, much worse than that and it is Biden's responsibility

[bots]

Fair point and the capitulation is pretty staggering. I know we've still been there but our involvement has been pretty limited for years and the country has seemed relatively stable. Can only think there was such a lack of confidence in their government and their superiors that most of the Afghan army haven't thought it was worth fighting to protect

the afghan government isnt a real thing. The country is based on local clans, that is it's natural state

[arista]

Fair point and the capitulation is pretty staggering. I know we've still been there but our involvement has been pretty limited for years and the country has seemed relatively stable. Can only think there was such a lack of confidence in their government and their superiors that most of the Afghan army haven't thought it was worth fighting to protect



Yes that's the problem.

[arista]

Stuart Ramsey in Kabul
said the Green Zone
the guards have gone,
The Gates are Open.

[MTVN]

Interesting Tom Tugendhat on Sky news saying the Afghan army was left poorly equipped with no air power and with morale at rock bottom at being abandoned

There's going to be huge amounts written in the future about what a monumental **** up this has been

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E80miGNXMAAceJr?format=jpg&name=small

[The Slim Reaper]

remember the crap that got thrown at trump when he withdrew usa troops from the turkish border? This is much, much worse than that and it is Biden's responsibility

This whole thing was started by Trump, who even wanted to invite the taliban to camp david on the anniversary of 9/11, and had to be told no.

It's an appalling thing to do to our allies, just as turkey was. Biden has screwed up too, I'm not excusing him of any blame, but the withdrawal process was started by trump.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://eu.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2021/03/17/us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan-trumps-deadline-weighs-biden/4667248001/

Updated 5:47 PM GMT Mar. 17, 2021

WASHINGTON – President Joe Biden is under mounting pressure as he weighs whether to fully withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan by May 1, a deadline negotiated by the Trump administration.

The May 1 timetable is part of an agreement the Trump administration forged with the Taliban in February 2020

[bots]

This whole thing was started by Trump, who even wanted to invite the taliban to camp david on the anniversary of 9/11, and had to be told no.

It's an appalling thing to do to our allies, just as turkey was. Biden has screwed up too, I'm not excusing him of any blame, but the withdrawal process was started by trump.

oh yes it certainly was, but biden agreed with it and implemented it. He could have reversed it.

I think the situation is much more complicated than it appears. For example, 1 high ranking taliban member said women will be allowed freedoms, education etc, while another says nope. One gives a commitment to not breed terrorists another group encourages it The government is a false organisation and it has no legitimacy because thats just not the way afghanistan functions

[The Slim Reaper]

oh yes it certainly was, but biden agreed with it and implemented it. He could have reversed it.

I think the situation is much more complicated than it appears. For example, 1 high ranking taliban member said women will be allowed freedoms, education etc, while another says nope. One gives a commitment to not breed terrorists another group encourages it The government is a false organisation and it has no legitimacy because thats just not the way afghanistan functions

I agree it should have been reversed, but I think it's a bit disingenuous to put all this on Biden the way you seemed to. I'm not sure that reversing a deal that trump made with a terrorist organisation is the best way to avoid future terrorist attacks in the US which would have also needed to be taken into consideration.

I actually think the Turkey thing was worse - we left our Kurdish allies completely exposed to ethnic cleansing, which they have been facing most of the last 50 years.

[arista]

Commercial Planes in Kabul
can not land - due to the fighting or possible fighting


SkyNewsHD Live in Kabul.

[Cherie]

Commercial Planes in Kabul
can not land - due to the fighting or possible fighting


SkyNewsHD Live in Kabul.

Have they got all the Embassy staff out yet?

[arista]

Slim
Biden never wanted Troops left in that nation.
From many years back.

Yes Trump set up the Meetings with Taliban
but President Biden was ready to leave, Anyway

[arista]

Have they got all the Embassy staff out yet?



No the Americans go first

[arista]

Stuart Ramsey Live in a Kabul hotel
Taliban marching (or Supporters of the Taliban)down the Street
going past his hotel.

Then the Power went out
at his Hotel.

[arista]

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[arista]

Lisa Nandy Labour MP (SkyNewsHD)
demands we go back?

She is a Fool.

Its too late now.



Johnson PM has confirmed from now on it is
only Diplomatic Talks

[The Slim Reaper]

Typical Arista calling women fools, whilst supporting Johnson.

[arista]

Typical Arista calling women fools, whilst supporting Johnson.


No This One Labour MP
is an utter fool.

[arista]

Once USA left
the rest went with them

President Biden is the one that set this up.

[The Slim Reaper]

No This One Labour MP
is an utter fool.

And all the other women you repeatedly call fools, are all, I'm sure, also utter fools.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://eu.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/2021/03/17/us-troop-withdrawal-afghanistan-trumps-deadline-weighs-biden/4667248001/

Updated 5:47 PM GMT Mar. 17, 2021

WASHINGTON – President Joe Biden is under mounting pressure as he weighs whether to fully withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan by May 1, a deadline negotiated by the Trump administration.

The May 1 timetable is part of an agreement the Trump administration forged with the Taliban in February 2020

Once USA left
the rest went with them

President Biden is the one that set this up.

Wrong

[arista]

Wrong


Biden, himself, was going to leave fast
Anyway


This new Date Sept 11th
was set up by Biden.

[arista]

And all the other women you repeatedly call fools, are all, I'm sure, also utter fools.


Stay on the Title of this thread
you are being silly

[arista]

President Ghani
needs surrender

[The Slim Reaper]

Stay on the Title of this thread
you are being silly

I've responded to the words written, so move along.

[bots]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2021/8/15/d2b2493d-7810-47f6-9870-da660814cfe0.png

[Cherie]

I just heard on LBC that local forces have been in talks with the Taliban for weeks which is why they have offered no resistance

Why would you send troops back in now it would be a full on confrontation

[Nicky91]

https://www.rt.com/news/532104-ghani-left-afghanistan/

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2021/08/15/Afghan-president-Ghani-leaves-country-for-Tajikistan

President Ghani left the country for Tajikistan

[arista]

https://www.rt.com/news/532104-ghani-left-afghanistan/

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2021/08/15/Afghan-president-Ghani-leaves-country-for-Tajikistan

President Ghani left the country for Tajikistan

Yes to stay Alive

[bots]

on the BBC .....

President Ashraf Ghani has left the country, reports say, quoting Afghan officials.

It comes as Taliban reached the outskirts of Kabul.

Vice-president Amrullah Saleh is also reported to have fled.

Mr Ghani has come under increasing pressure to resign as major cities around Afghanistan have fallen to Taliban militants over the course of 10 days.

[joeysteele]

We should have reassessed and not planned such a quick withdrawal.

MTVN pointed out Tom Tugendhat, the Chairman of the Foreign affairs Committee.

He describes this as Britain's biggest foreign policy disaster since Suez.
He stated the UK has ABANDONED the Afghan people.

In my view, he's dead right.

Too late to go back in now, although how many terrorist attacks will it take to happen in the UK and USA again now, before that may have to be risked.

Better to have kept things as stable as they were, than throw all away, the region again into chaos.
Endangering the UK and other parts of the World too.

[bots]

We should have reassessed and not planned such a quick withdrawal.

MTVN pointed out Tom Tugendhat, the Chairman of the Foreign affairs Committee.

He describes this as Britain's biggest foreign policy disaster since Suez.
He stated the UK has ABANDONED the Afghan people.

In my view, he's dead right.

Too late to go back in now, although how many terrorist attacks will it take to happen in the UK and USA again now, before that may have to be risked.

Better to have kept things as stable as they were, than throw all away, the region again into chaos.
Endangering the UK and other parts of the World too.


It wasnt a UK decision, it was an international coalition that were in afghanistan. The UK doesn't have the resources to go it alone there

[joeysteele]

It wasnt a UK decision, it was an international coalition that were in afghanistan. The UK doesn't have the resources to go it alone there

I haven't heard us even warning or moaning about the early withdrawal.

Do we just crawl and follow others leads???
Or do we ever use our own voice??

Or did our government fully agree with doing what the USA wanted regardless of moral duty to others.

[arista]

I just heard on LBC that local forces have been in talks with the Taliban for weeks which is why they have offered no resistance

Why would you send troops back in now it would be a full on confrontation



Yes, a wise move.

Even China is in talks with the new power
The Taliban.

[bots]

I haven't heard us even warning or moaning about the early withdrawal.

Do we just crawl and follow others leads???
Or do we ever use our own voice??

Or did our government fully agree with doing what the USA wanted regardless of moral duty to others.

the usa provided the command and control and the majority of the force, so while they will listen to what others say, their decision is final because the other countries couldn't operate without them

[Oliver_W]

Reports saying the taliban have entered kabul and there was no resistance

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Don't something like 99% of Afghanis want shariah law?

Talk about lost causes, why should western resources -and especially lives- be wasted on people who want to live under terrorism anyway?

edit: especially if the Taliban have been making deals with China and others, it's not worth all the conflict for people who don't want saving.

[arista]

Canada will accept 20,000 refugees

[arista]

Presidential Palace in Kabul
now is under Taliban control.

Reuters reported


No traditional government was set up
fast enough.



UK
Johnson PM another Cobra meeting.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Its now Dark in Kabul
everyone advised to,
stay in their homes.

[arista]

[Afghanistan: First British troops begin deploying
to help evacuate remaining UK nationals

The Taliban seized Logar province
and all of its officials on Saturday,
local politician Hoda Ahmadi confirmed.]


https://news.sky.com/story/afghanistan-taliban-could-begin-assault-on-kabul-within-days-us-defence-official-warns-12381016

[bots]

There are reports of gunfire at Kabul's airport, according to a security alert just issued by the US Embassy.

Officials have instructed US citizens in the area to take shelter, as "the security situation in Kabul is changing quickly".

Any Americans who still require assistance to leave Kabul have been told to register online, after operations at the embassy concluded.

[arista]

There are reports of gunfire at Kabul's airport, according to a security alert just issued by the US Embassy.

Officials have instructed US citizens in the area to take shelter, as "the security situation in Kabul is changing quickly".

Any Americans who still require assistance to leave Kabul have been told to register online, after operations at the embassy concluded.


Yes the Gunfire
was because to many were trying to get onto flights.

But now All Commercial Planes refuse to land, anyway.

Now Dark in Kabul
all instructed to stay home.



China is going to do new Deals
as they have accepted the Taliban
as the new Power of Afghanistan.



Ref: WION HD, TRTworldHD, SkyNewsHD, CNN HD USA live feed, LBC

[arista]

Johnson PM has been on all news and radio
after a 2nd Cobra Meeting.

He is talking about possible Nato?

But stays with his "dream" Diplomacy

[arista]

CNN HD Live reporter in Kabul
confirmed USA Military Planes are leaving in the Dark.
So many thousands to get out alive.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/15/18/46703931-0-image-m-52_1629048266167.jpg

[arista]

Ch4HDnews showed Video
of a massive crowd welcoming the new Taliban Power
in Kabul.

It also showed massive crowds outside
Banks in Kabul.
Rushing to get their money out
as the do trust the New Power.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/15/14/46698727-9895247-image-a-50_1629034694417.jpg
[Afghans wait in long lines for hours to
try to withdraw money in front of
Kabul Bank after the Taliban
sought to gain control of the capital]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/15/18/46704201-9895247-image-a-30_1629048777987.jpg
[Taliban militants at the Presidential Palace in Kabul on Sunday]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9895247/Taliban-enter-Kabul-demand-SURRENDER-SAS-flown-evacuate-British-ambassador.html

[bots]

the gun on the table is so surreal

[Cherie]

Welcome to hell

[arista]

the gun on the table is so surreal



Yes a big change.
Biden got it so wrong

[Oliver_W]

Yes a big change.
Biden got it so wrong

Both of the presidents got it wrong.

[arista]

Both of the presidents got it wrong.



Yes but Biden set this new date
and ignored his own Generals



Trump would have let the Taliban take full control
and get all out before. (if he was in power)

[arista]

More than 15years
spent training an Official Afghan Army
costing billions

Today in Kabul
it was reported those Expensive troops
took their Army Uniform Off
and put on civilian clothes.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/15/20/46706003-0-image-m-61_1629054877389.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/15/19/46705001-9895247-image-m-54_1629051317490.jpg

[arista]

[https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/15/11/46695815-9895247-image-a-8_1629024612689.jpg
A Pakistani soldier stands guard as stranded
Afghan nationals return to Afghanistan at
the border crossing point in Chaman]

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/15/16/46701219-9895247-image-a-92_1629041425658.jpg


Some Shocking Truth.

[arista]

The Russian Embassy in Kabul
are respected by the Taliban.

New reports say.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E83DeHbWQAsUwsR?format=png&name=900x900

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8vY-DkXoAAFOu_?format=jpg&name=small

[MTVN]

It took the Taliban a day to take Afghanistan's capital, barely more than a month to take the whole country

Biden is on holiday and can't even be bothered to make a statement for another 'few days'

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E83FaDiWUAEGLmD?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

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[bots]

everyone knows the country will go back exactly as it was when the Taliban were last in power and it will be a terrorist breeding ground. Grim

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E83SbBpXIAc22tJ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E83N1UjXsAISc9q?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/08D8/production/_119946220_express-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/9640/production/_119946483_mirror-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/5310/production/_119946212_metro-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/EF50/production/_119946216_ipaper-nc.png

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2C00/production/_119946211_ft-nc.png

[Cherie]

Canada will accept 20,000 refugees

The US, UK should now be following suit

[bots]

it's going to be a refugee catastrophe and we need to be so careful we don't import terrorists. If we think we have a problem at the channel now, it will be nothing compared to how it will be in a few months time

[arista]

The US, UK should now be following suit



The UK can not afford that

[arista]

Yesterday at the Airport
100's were rushing onto commercial planes.


But all the normal planes had been grounded.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/15/22/46708625-9896077-image-a-70_1629061467546.jpg

[The Slim Reaper]

True colours

[The Slim Reaper]

From the Sunday times:

Cruelty first in "global" Britain.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8yOtCnWQAEexrL?format=jpg&name=small

[Nicky91]

we cannot allow them in, also because of the covid crisis


all those germs from this dirty third world losers

[arista]

we cannot allow them in, also because of the covid crisis


all those germs from this dirty third world losers



Yes China Covid
makes it worse

[arista]

300 Embassy Staff
have returned to the UK.
Via a Military plane.

SkyNewsHD

[bots]

this is a completely different circumstance to other refugee crisis in the middle east. We have left thousands of women and children extremely vulnerable through our direct actions. We have a duty to look after them.

[arista]

this is a completely different circumstance to other refugee crisis in the middle east. We have left thousands of women and children extremely vulnerable through our direct actions. We have a duty to look after them.



USA had that Duty
but with USA public backing President Biden's fast leaving,
it is all change.

[Nicky91]

Ukraine has evacuated many dutch embassy staff, alongside ukrainian embassy workers, some afghan citizens, and also croatian, belarusian staff

Ukrainian minister of foreign affairs Kuleba has stated, ''they are now safe'' he added


and Netherlands themselves will also send a military aircraft to Kabul to evacuate more embassy workers and translators

[The Slim Reaper]

USA had that Duty
but with USA public backing President Biden's fast leaving,
it is all change.

We levelled the middle east with them, Arista. Stop being so racist, that we don't even have to try and fix problems that we helped cause.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E83UUILVcAE0oJI?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

We levelled the middle east with them, Arista. Stop being so racist, that we don't even have to try and fix problems that we helped cause.





Stop saying its Racist.
I did not Vote to stay in there for 20 years


I agree the USA/UK caused it.
Its Revenge from the Taliban.


China is the first nation to accept them as a New Power.

[The Slim Reaper]

Stop saying its Racist.
I did not Vote to stay in there for 20 years


I agree the USA/UK caused it.
Its Revenge from the Taliban.


China is the first nation to accept them as a New Power.

What are your reasons for not wanting to help them?

48% didn't vote for your racist brexit, either, but we still face the same consequences as the rest of the country.

[arista]

What are your reasons for not wanting to help them?

48% didn't vote for your racist brexit, either, but we still face the same consequences as the rest of the country.


We are helping Some.
I am not Racist.

[bots]

i find it quite unbelievable that the coalition didn't know that the government had no credibility with the afghan people or that the people they were training had no intention of defending that government. I believe they chose to look the other way and knew exactly what the consequences would be.

[arista]

i find it quite unbelievable that the coalition didn't know that the government had no credibility with the afghan people or that the people they were training had no intention of defending that government. I believe they chose to look the other way and knew exactly what the consequences would be.


Yes,
could well be.

[The Slim Reaper]

i find it quite unbelievable that the coalition didn't know that the government had no credibility with the afghan people or that the people they were training had no intention of defending that government. I believe they chose to look the other way and knew exactly what the consequences would be.

I completely agree. Boris said last week that exactly what has just happened, wouldn't happen.

[arista]

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[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1427128589787488262/KUo0viEH?format=jpg&name=small

The new Type of Clothing
advised for all Women in Afghanistan
to now put on.

[arista]

1427169872291708928

[arista]

1427192809367474176

[Cherie]

i find it quite unbelievable that the coalition didn't know that the government had no credibility with the afghan people or that the people they were training had no intention of defending that government. I believe they chose to look the other way and knew exactly what the consequences would be.

Its hard to believe the Taliban were able to mobilise like this in secret

[Nicky91]

i never quite know if Taliban are good or bad


my mom doesn't know this either



i always thought they are like a sort of ''police force'' :think:






what i heard on my nation's news coverage regarding this, is Taliban do want good international relations

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1427128589787488262/KUo0viEH?format=jpg&name=small

The new Type of Clothing
advised for all Women in Afghanistan
to now put on.

i never quite know if Taliban are good or bad


my mom doesn't know this either



i always thought they are like a sort of ''police force'' :think:






what i heard on my nation's news coverage regarding this, is Taliban do want good international relations

If your Mom would be happy to be subjugated then I guess they are great :shrug:

Already reports of women being married off to fighters

[Cherie]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/15/an-afghan-woman-in-kabul-now-i-have-to-burn-everything-i-achieved



Early on Sunday morning I was heading to university for a class when a group of women came running out from the women’s dormitory. I asked what had happened and one of them told me the police were evacuating them because the Taliban had arrived in Kabul, and they will beat women who do not have a burqa.

We all wanted to get home, but we couldn’t use public transport. The drivers would not let us in their cars because they did not want to take responsibility for transporting a woman. It was even worse for the women from the dormitory, who are from outside Kabul and were scared and confused about where they should go.

Meanwhile, the men standing around were making fun of girls and women, laughing at our terror. “Go and put on your chadari [burqa],” one called out. “It is your last days of being out on the streets,” said another. “I will marry four of you in one day,” said a third.


With the government offices closed down, my sister ran for miles across town to get home. “I shut down the PC that helped to serve my people and community for four years with a lot of pain,” she said. “I left my desk with tearful eyes and said goodbye to my colleagues. I knew it was the last day of my job.”

I have nearly completed two simultaneous degrees from two of the best universities in Afghanistan. I should have graduated in November from the American University of Afghanistan and Kabul University, but this morning everything flashed before my eyes.

I worked for so many days and nights to become the person I am today, and this morning when I reached home, the very first thing my sisters and I did was hide our IDs, diplomas and certificates. It was devastating. Why should we hide the things that we should be proud of? In Afghanistan now we are not allowed to be known as the people we are.

As a woman, I feel like I am the victim of this political war that men started. I felt like I can no longer laugh out loud, I can no longer listen to my favourite songs, I can no longer meet my friends in our favourite cafe, I can no longer wear my favourite yellow dress or pink lipstick. And I can no longer go to my job or finish the university degree that I worked for years to achieve.

I loved doing my nails. Today, as I was on my way home, I glanced at the beauty salon where I used to go for manicures. The shop front, which had been decorated with beautiful pictures of girls, had been whitewashed overnight.

All I could see around me were the fearful and scared faces of women and ugly faces of men who hate women, who do not like women to get educated, work and have freedom. Most devastating to me were the ones who looked happy and made fun of women. Instead of standing by our side, they stand with the Taliban and give them even more power.

Afghan women sacrificed a lot for the little freedom they had. As an orphan I weaved carpets just to get an education. I faced a lot of financial challenges, but I had a lot of plans for my future. I did not expect everything to end up like this.

Now it looks like I have to burn everything I achieved in 24 years of my life. Having any ID card or awards from the American University is risky now; even if we keep them, we are not able to use them. There are no jobs for us in Afghanistan.

When the provinces collapsed one after another, I was thinking of my beautiful girlish dreams. My sisters and I could not sleep all night, remembering the stories my mother used to tell us about the Taliban era and the way they treated women.

I did not expect that we would be deprived of all our basic rights again and travel back to 20 years ago. That after 20 years of fighting for our rights and freedom, we should be hunting for burqas and hiding our identity.

During the last months, as the Taliban took control in the provinces, hundreds of people fled their houses and came to Kabul to save their girls and wives. They are living in parks or the open air. I was part of a group of American University students that tried to help them by collecting donations of cash, food and other necessities and distributing it to them.

I could not stop my tears when I heard the stories of some families. One had lost their son in the war and didn’t have any money to pay the taxi fare to Kabul, so they gave their daughter-in-law away in exchange for transportation. How can the value of a woman be equal to the cost of a journey?

Then today, when I heard that the Taliban had reached Kabul, I felt I was going to be a slave. They can play with my life any way they want.

I also worked as a teacher at an English-language education centre. I cannot bear to think that I can no longer stand in front of the class, teaching them to sing their ABCs. Every time I remember that my beautiful little girl students should stop their education and stay at their home, my tears fall.

[arista]

If your Mom would be happy to be subjugated then I guess they are great :shrug:

Already reports of women being married off to fighters



Yes that is sad.
No one can stop that, now.

President Biden Left the Country, fast.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes that is sad.
No one can stop that, now.

President Biden Left the Country, fast.

As soon as Trump and Pompeo released Taliban prisoners in 2018, and removed sanctions, the die was cast due to the demoralisation this steamrolled in the Afghanistan army. Biden has badly screwed up too, but for the umpteenth time, Trump set all this in motion.

Pretending this isn't the case is a lie.

[arista]

As soon as Trump and Pompeo released Taliban prisoners in 2018, and removed sanctions, the die was cast due to the demoralisation this steamrolled in the Afghanistan army. Biden has badly screwed up too, but for the umpteenth time, Trump set all this in motion.

Pretending this isn't the case is a lie.



Yes of course,
Trump set it all up.


He is no longer in power
President Biden set a New later date.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/16/10/46727827-9897201-image-m-183_1629107657420.jpg


New Video, from last night,
showing People running with a USA Military Plane
sadly 5 Died.

[Footage from Hamad Karzai airport showed
hundreds of people running
alongside - and in front of - a US Air Force plane
preparing to take off]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9897201/Terror-Kabul-airport-Troops-fire-shots-air-desperate-Afghans-climb-airbridges.html

[Oliver_W]

The US, UK should now be following suit

it's going to be a refugee catastrophe and we need to be so careful we don't import terrorists. If we think we have a problem at the channel now, it will be nothing compared to how it will be in a few months time

Canada will accept 20,000 refugees

Let's hope women, children, and Christians are the priority.

[arista]

1427204278695997442


Crazy

[rusticgal]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/16/10/46727827-9897201-image-m-183_1629107657420.jpg


New Video, from last night,
showing People running with a USA Military Plane
sadly 5 Died.

[Footage from Hamad Karzai airport showed
hundreds of people running
alongside - and in front of - a US Air Force plane
preparing to take off]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9897201/Terror-Kabul-airport-Troops-fire-shots-air-desperate-Afghans-climb-airbridges.html


I know these people are absolutely desperate but obliterating the runway isnt going to achieve anything....

[arista]

I know these people are absolutely desperate but obliterating the runway isnt going to achieve anything....


Yes it is Crazy.
They need to block the Entrance

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1426291739833208832/mFBJ7T4q?format=jpg&name=small


Well Done USA Female Reporter for CNN HD
Clarissa Ward has changed to all black covered over her


She was just live next to Taliban Fighters
on the Street in Kabul

[arista]

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[arista]

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[user104658]

What they should have done to avoid this:

After successfully occupying, they should have trained the women and armed them all to the eyeballs.

They aremd and trained men, who rolled over like scared puppies as soon as the Taliban rolled back in, because they have far less on the line that they're willing to fight to keep.

[bots]

Defence minister breaks down ....

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[arista]

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[arista]

Defence minister breaks down ....




Yes he knows
some will get stuck there.

[arista]

The Military Airport has also closed - Temporarily.

It is no longer safe to land or take off
until all public are held back from runways

It will take USA Troops
to secure that.

[The Slim Reaper]

Defence minister breaks down ....

1427165840999391233

He was overseas director for QinetiQ, an arms company that made billions out of the western occupations in the middle east. Charlatan crocodile tears.

[arista]

3 other deaths
from yesterday as well of the other 5
at the Airport.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9897201/Terror-Kabul-airport-Troops-fire-shots-air-desperate-Afghans-climb-airbridges.html

[Cherie]

He was overseas director for QinetiQ, an arms company that made billions out of the western occupations in the middle east. Charlatan crocodile tears.

That doesn't mean he can't be upset at how all this has played out?

[The Slim Reaper]

That doesn't mean he can't be upset at how all this has played out?

He wasn't crying when he was making millions off the same peoples being murdered?

[Cherie]

He wasn't crying when he was making millions off the same peoples being murdered?

which wars are we talking about?

[The Slim Reaper]

which wars are we talking about?

It's not about specific wars because we've been bombing them constantly and throughout, but he joined QinetiQ in 2003.

[bots]

one of the things the taliban ban is music. I couldn't live in a world without music

[user104658]

He was overseas director for QinetiQ, an arms company that made billions out of the western occupations in the middle east. Charlatan crocodile tears.

1.20 "Because I'm a soldi UMM... because it's sad that the west has done what it's done".

Showed his hand. He's feeling a lot of personal guilt but it's for the British soldiers who have fought there, not for the people of Afghanistan.

[MTVN]

1.20 "Because I'm a soldi UMM... because it's sad that the west has done what it's done".

Showed his hand. He's feeling a lot of personal guilt but it's for the British soldiers who have fought there, not for the people of Afghanistan.

Or alternatively he's saying that it's his perspective as a soldier that deepens his sadness for Afghan citizens, soldiers don't only care about their own kind

[MTVN]

It's not beyond comprehension that Western citizens can be active in Middle East affairs without a malign motive and with a genuine interest in positive change in the region

[user104658]

Or alternatively he's saying that it's his perspective as a soldier that deepens his sadness for Afghan citizens, soldiers don't only care about their own kind

Even if you'd buy that chocolate teapot had he said it outright - he stopped himself mid-sentence and said something different which would suggest that, for whatever reason, he thought better of giving that as his reason. He also said it without a pause so it was most likely his genuine reaction.

[The Slim Reaper]

1.20 "Because I'm a soldi UMM... because it's sad that the west has done what it's done".

Showed his hand. He's feeling a lot of personal guilt but it's for the British soldiers who have fought there, not for the people of Afghanistan.

Exactly. I'll be calling out Blair in exactly the same way when he rocks up and starts crying for the cameras. Shameful and shameless at the same time.

[user104658]

It's not beyond comprehension that Western citizens can be active in Middle East affairs without a malign motive and with a genuine interest in positive change in the region

Citizens/non-profits sure but... ... arms dealers? :think:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3e84263d04e2246a46ca743584efa14e/tenor.gif