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arista
30-11-2022, 02:32 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/13/65088965-0-image-m-29_1669814179317.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11485207/Black-charity-founder-accuses-Buckingham-Palace-aide-asking-Africa-from.html

asking her about what part Africa is she from



SkyNewsHD broke this


[Prince William's godmother Lady Susan Hussey
RESIGNS from Buckingham Palace
role after 'quizzing black charity founder about
what part of Africa she is from' - as race row
threatens to
overshadow Cambridges' landmark US tour today
Lady Susan Hussey, 83, was Queen's Lady in
Waiting kept on by Queen Consort
Ngozi Fulani, boss of London charity Sistah Space,
was at reception yesterday
The Queen Consort held event as part of
UN's '16 days against gender violence'
Fulani said royal aide asked 'where are
you really from' when she said 'Hackney'
Row erupted as William and Kate jet to
Boston for key Earthshot ceremony]

Glenn.
30-11-2022, 02:37 PM
Shocking

arista
30-11-2022, 02:41 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/13/65086739-11485207-Ngozi_Fulani_pictured_centre_at_Buckingham_Palace_ yesterday_dire-a-26_1669814210363.jpg
Ngozi Fulani
(pictured centre at Buckingham Palace yesterday),
director of the east London charity Sistah Space,
claims royal aide,
believed to be Lady Susan Hussey,
(below)
asked her: 'What part of Africa are you from?'

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/13/65088939-11485207-Ngozi_Fulani_claims_royal_aide_believed_to_be_Lady _Susan_Hussey_-m-25_1669814207294.jpg

Beso
30-11-2022, 02:44 PM
Might have been her dress that caused the confusion.

arista
30-11-2022, 02:48 PM
Might have been her dress that caused the confusion.


Maybe,
it is still Rude to ask a black person if they are from Africa?

She could be English
or from the West Indies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indies

Jordan.
30-11-2022, 02:53 PM
Disgraceful but not at all surprising.

Beso
30-11-2022, 02:55 PM
Maybe,
it is still Rude to ask a black person if they are from Africa?

She could be English
or from the West Indies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indies


But it's not rude to ask a black person what part of africa they come from.:clap2:

arista
30-11-2022, 02:59 PM
But it's not rude to ask a black person what part of Africa they come from.:clap2:


It is nowdays

arista
30-11-2022, 03:03 PM
Disgraceful but not at all surprising.



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/13/65088939-11485207-Ngozi_Fulani_claims_royal_aide_believed_to_be_Lady _Susan_Hussey_-m-25_1669814207294.jpg
At least on this one
we know who asked it



Harry/Meg
keep it secret.

bots
30-11-2022, 03:11 PM
pretty petty reason to resign

arista
30-11-2022, 03:15 PM
pretty petty reason to resign

Now even on BBCnews "Race Row"

Its Racism, from her view

jet
30-11-2022, 03:15 PM
Disgraceful but not at all surprising.

Why? Tell us instances of racism that you seem to know about from the Royals or their staff. The only examples I know of is someone wondering what H&M's baby will look like (which hasn't been proved and isn't even racist) and Harry wearing a swastika and calling fellow soldiers from Pakistan racist names.

Well?

Cherie
30-11-2022, 03:17 PM
According to the tweet Slim posted she asked where her people were from, iat 83 I dont suppose she knows what she said wrong...:laugh: storm in a teacup although she was a bit hoity in her questioning

bots
30-11-2022, 03:22 PM
Now even on BBCnews "Race Row"

Its Racism, from her view

asking where someone is from is not and never has been racism

I've lost count of the number of people that have asked what part of Scotland I am from, i don't consider that racist

jet
30-11-2022, 03:22 PM
According to the tweet Slim posted she asked where her people were from, iat 83 I dont suppose she knows what she said wrong...:laugh: storm in a teacup although she was a bit hoity in her questioning

Exactly. Much ado about nothing.

arista
30-11-2022, 03:35 PM
asking where someone is from is not and never has been racism

I've lost count of the number of people that have asked what part of Scotland I am from, i don't consider that racist


What are you saying the Media
is hyping this up?


She did not Ask where someone is from


She asked what part of Africa, is she, from

https://news.sky.com/story/buckingham-palace-household-member-resigns-over-unacceptable-comments-made-at-queen-consorts-reception-12758643

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63810468


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/13/65086067-11485207-Ms_Fulani_said_she_had_been_insulted_by_a_palace_a ide_who_she_ac-m-8_1669816409289.jpg

arista
30-11-2022, 03:39 PM
According to the tweet Slim posted she asked where her people were from, iat 83 I dont suppose she knows what she said wrong...:laugh: storm in a teacup although she was a bit hoity in her questioning

According to Slim
a bleeding poster


Not on This Thread
Madame

Swan
30-11-2022, 03:39 PM
Omg that's the most terrible question in the world ever, omg, sooooooooooo bad. Kill the woman who asked her that question (should of asked where her parents/grandparents are ORIGINALLY from), oh man that's awful and shocking. Man we're terrible here, no wonder we're leaving this country in our hundreds of thousands.

Beso
30-11-2022, 03:55 PM
It is nowdays

Bollox..

How on earth would I ever have found out where my old london friends Patrick, bobby and akin all came from if I hadnt asked?

arista
30-11-2022, 03:57 PM
Bollox..

How on earth would I ever have found out where my old London friends Patrick, bobby and akin all came from if I hadnt asked?


It is
if you are not from an African nation.


She was born in Britain.

Beso
30-11-2022, 03:59 PM
It is
if you are not from an African nation.

I'm not and they didnt find it rude.:shrug:

Beso
30-11-2022, 03:59 PM
Rude is the new R word.

arista
30-11-2022, 04:09 PM
Prince William
has said this so wrong.

He is in, USA now

arista
30-11-2022, 04:11 PM
I'm not and they didnt find it rude.:shrug:



You are not her

She was born in Britain

Beso
30-11-2022, 04:25 PM
You are not her

She was born in Britain

Yes, but her dress and accessories make her seem as though she is very very proud of her african background, so I'm not getting her outrage at the question.

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 04:37 PM
I'm amazed some people can leave the house in each morning. What a snowflake. Maybe try helping people that be desperate to be offended

Glenn.
30-11-2022, 04:40 PM
But it's not rude to ask a black person what part of africa they come from.:clap2:

It is when they were born in Britain…

arista
30-11-2022, 04:49 PM
It is when they were born in Britain…

Thats the Problem.


Front Pages are Brewing...........................

Mystic Mock
30-11-2022, 04:52 PM
But it's not rude to ask a black person what part of africa they come from.:clap2:

If they're from Hackney it might be.:laugh:

arista
30-11-2022, 05:03 PM
That nasty racist :Lady Hussey has Resigned

All Media

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/13/65088939-11485207-Ngozi_Fulani_claims_royal_aide_believed_to_be_Lady _Susan_Hussey_-m-25_1669814207294.jpg

Alf
30-11-2022, 05:19 PM
So which part was she from?

Did we find out?

The Slim Reaper
30-11-2022, 05:22 PM
According to Slim
a bleeding great poster




Thank you, Arista

Alf
30-11-2022, 05:27 PM
That nasty racist :Lady Hussey has Resigned

All Media

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/13/65088939-11485207-Ngozi_Fulani_claims_royal_aide_believed_to_be_Lady _Susan_Hussey_-m-25_1669814207294.jpgI can find you a real racist.

I saw one earlier on Twitter. I'll see if I can find her.

This isn't your kind of racist that just simply asks someone a question (not racist behavior at all) This women I saw wanted people excluded purely based on the colour of their skin (a real racist)

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 05:36 PM
That nasty racist :Lady Hussey has Resigned

All Media

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/13/65088939-11485207-Ngozi_Fulani_claims_royal_aide_believed_to_be_Lady _Susan_Hussey_-m-25_1669814207294.jpg

She is not a racist she was just being interested in a guest. But the nasty spiteful guest was desperate to take offence when none was intended

bots
30-11-2022, 05:41 PM
If they're from Hackney it might be.:laugh:

So, all the person has to say is, no, i'm from Hackney. It's really not hard

Oliver_W
30-11-2022, 05:49 PM
So which part was she from?

Did we find out?

Hackney :hehe:

UserSince2005
30-11-2022, 05:57 PM
The queen would have not let this happened :bawling:

jet
30-11-2022, 06:03 PM
This lady, Ms Fulani, whose charity works with women with African and Caribbean heritage who have suffered violence at home, has previously accused the Royal Family of 'domestic violence' against Meghan Markle. :facepalm:
Daily Mail

Ms Fulani says Lady Susan refused to believe she was from Britain. This isn't true. She was enquiring as to her origins.

Alf
30-11-2022, 06:03 PM
Hackney :hehe:Dianne Abbott's Manor.

Say no more.

Liam-
30-11-2022, 06:05 PM
So, all the person has to say is, no, i'm from Hackney. It's really not hard

She was told she was born in the uk to which the horrible woman kept asking what part of Africa she’s from, it’s not that hard to listen to people and not be racist

arista
30-11-2022, 06:07 PM
She is not a racist she was just being interested in a guest. But the nasty spiteful guest was desperate to take offence when none was intended


Maybe


But asking a British Lady
what part of Africa she came from

Is seen as Racist

Thats the Problem

arista
30-11-2022, 06:14 PM
Dianne Abbott's Manor.

Say no more.

Alf, she may be a Conservative.

jet
30-11-2022, 06:30 PM
She has produced an exact transcript of the conversation with Lady Susan, word for word - hmmm, did she record it? Unless she did, which I doubt, we only have her impressions to go on.

As she previously accused the Royals of domestic violence towards Meghan Markle in March 2021,( ummm, WHAT?) it seems she can be rather OTT in her accusations.

Cherie
30-11-2022, 06:41 PM
She has produced an exact transcript of the conversation with Lady Susan, word for word - hmmm, did she record it? Unless she did, which I doubt, we only have her impressions to go on.

As she previously accused the Royals of domestic violence towards Meghan Markle in March 2021,( ummm, WHAT?) it seems she can be rather OTT in her accusations.

She remembered it word for word but the rest was a blur :laugh:

Slimmy can you repost the tweet please

jet
30-11-2022, 06:49 PM
She remembered it word for word but the rest was a blur :laugh:

Slimmy can you repost the tweet please

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11486513/Prince-William-condemns-unacceptable-comments-godmother-Lady-Susan-Hussey.html

It's here, scroll way down. :)

AnnieK
30-11-2022, 07:03 PM
William has condemned her words....

arista
30-11-2022, 07:08 PM
William has condemned her words....


Yes he did
from the USA.

Alf
30-11-2022, 07:11 PM
William is in the USA is he?

He better not try lecturing me on carbon footprint then.

joeysteele
30-11-2022, 07:12 PM
I don't see the need to even ask that question.
If it's caused offence then even moreso neither appropriate or right.

Cherie
30-11-2022, 07:13 PM
Your title is all over the place Arista...sort it out

arista
30-11-2022, 07:38 PM
Lady Hussey is 83 years old

Kept pushing her
saying What part of Africa are you?

She told her Britain,
but Hussey kept pushing her.

Ref: Ch4HDnews.

rusticgal
30-11-2022, 07:39 PM
So, all the person has to say is, no, i'm from Hackney. It's really not hard

Exactly…the world has gone mad.

Beso
30-11-2022, 08:02 PM
It is when they were born in Britain…

How would you know though without asking.:shrug:

Jordan.
30-11-2022, 08:03 PM
William has condemned her words....

:clap1:

AnnieK
30-11-2022, 08:05 PM
Considering the Palace made very little of Meghans allegations but have issued a statement very quickly on this leads me to believe they believe there is a need to condemn the words used. I doubt there was malice behind the questions but as they have deviated from "never complain, never explain" its quite unusual and telling. It's a shame this will overshadow their USA tour

Beso
30-11-2022, 08:06 PM
If they're from Hackney it might be.:laugh:

The voices/accents give it away...who spoke first on this occasion would be my question.

But if this girl was on her street and someone from her street said she sounded like she was from south London, well, I bet she would be more offended by that, than by whatever that cock eyed inbred old snobby suckler of the queen bees honey teeth said.

100 percent.

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 08:27 PM
The poor lady is 83

how utterly insensitive of this entitled "charity worker" to do this to her and make out that she was a victim

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/13/65086739-11485207-Ngozi_Fulani_pictured_centre_at_Buckingham_Palace_ yesterday_dire-a-26_1669814210363.jpg

No wonder the poor old lady was confused

:facepalm:

Dressing and wearing your hair in a way that shows you are proud of your heritage but then refusing to discuss it when someone shows an interest

is controlling and nefarious especially to a lady in her 80s

jet
30-11-2022, 08:38 PM
Considering the Palace made very little of Meghans allegations but have issued a statement very quickly on this leads me to believe they believe there is a need to condemn the words used. I doubt there was malice behind the questions but as they have deviated from "never complain, never explain" its quite unusual and telling. It's a shame this will overshadow their USA tour

Considering that Meghan and Harry are receiving an award next Tuesday partly for ‘bravely exposing institutional racism within the Royal family’, (Harry’s OWN family with no proof whatsoever of it) in their 17 lie Oprah interview the Royals have to be particularly careful.

The only proven racism I have ever heard of in the family is from Harry himself.

What they are doing; the damage they are trying to cause without any substance is an absolute disgrace. Even most of the US press are scratching their heads and sneering over the award and calling it pure nepotism.

AnnieK
30-11-2022, 08:43 PM
Considering that Meghan and Harry are receiving an award next Tuesday partly for ‘bravely exposing institutional racism within the Royal family’, (Harry’s OWN family with no proof whatsoever of it) in their 17 lie Oprah interview the Royals have to be particularly careful.

The only proven racism I have ever heard of in the family is from Harry himself.

What they are doing; the damage they are trying to cause without any substance is an absolute disgrace. Even most of the US press are scratching their heads and sneering over the award and calling it pure nepotism.

Philip is well documented for making some very public comments that could be construed as racist during his time too :laugh:

I wasn't aware of whatever award they are getting, it doesn't appear to be big news :shrug:.

This is a situation that has happened here today, the lady in question is not a Royal per se so shouldn't be classed as such, BUT it has overshadowed the work Kate and William are doing which is a shame. I just found it interesting the spped in which Kensington Palace commented. Just an observation

jet
30-11-2022, 09:02 PM
Philip is well documented for making some very public comments that could be construed as racist during his time too :laugh:

I wasn't aware of whatever award they are getting, it doesn't appear to be big news :shrug:.

This is a situation that has happened here today, the lady in question is not a Royal per se so shouldn't be classed as such, BUT it has overshadowed the work Kate and William are doing which is a shame. I just found it interesting the spped in which Kensington Palace commented. Just an observation

H&M said it wasn't Prince Philip (or the Queen) that they were referring to.

There has been quite a bit of news coverage along the lines of:
'Royals don't accept awards, they give them'
'the timing within days of William and Kates visit is suspect'
'guests will pay millions to sit at H&M's table'.
'they have connections to the award givers' (nepotism)

What do you think about them accepting such an award? You didn't say.

Beso
30-11-2022, 09:07 PM
The poor lady is 83

how utterly insensitive of this entitled "charity worker" to do this to her and make out that she was a victim

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/13/65086739-11485207-Ngozi_Fulani_pictured_centre_at_Buckingham_Palace_ yesterday_dire-a-26_1669814210363.jpg

No wonder the poor old lady was confused

:facepalm:

Dressing and wearing your hair in a way that shows you are proud of your heritage but then refusing to discuss it when someone shows an interest

is controlling and nefarious especially to a lady in her 80s



Yes..that's what I meant as well.

Well said LT, very eloquently put.

Denver
30-11-2022, 09:08 PM
It is when they were born in Britain…

And not all Black people or their immediate family are African

Mystic Mock
30-11-2022, 09:09 PM
So, all the person has to say is, no, i'm from Hackney. It's really not hard

I personally agree that her reaction was OTT.

However I also don't understand why the other woman was assuming that she was from an African country?

AnnieK
30-11-2022, 09:11 PM
H&M said it wasn't Prince Philip (or the Queen) that they were referring to.

There has been quite a bit of news coverage along the lines of:
'Royals don't accept awards, they give them'
'the timing within days of William and Kates visit is suspect'
'guests will pay millions to sit at H&M's table'.
'they have connections to the award givers' (nepotism)

What do you think about them accepting such an award? You didn't say.

I'm well aware that they said it wasn't Philip. You said the only racism you have heard is from Harry himself.....I was saying that Philip has some documented comments too. :shrug:

I couldn't care less if they accept a plastic award or not in all honesty. They are no longer working Royals so ca give awards/ accept awards all they want. The media in this country feed the madness, if they didn't report it, it would have passed and none of us would have know or cared.

What they do has no bearing on this story really though, my point was I hoped it would not overshadow Kate and Williams USA trip which it obviously is doing at the moment but hopefully it will be resolved by the resignation and Kennsington Palaces statement of condemnation. This incident today, not M &H.

Beso
30-11-2022, 09:13 PM
It is rather ironic that the only proof of anything remotely racist from the royal family is a dead mans musings, and his grand sons photographic proof of a love of nazi ideology.

And that's not even bringing up harry nonchalance for repeating racist nicknames.

Harry's like one of those people who cant be racist cause they have different races friends, only it's his wife he uses to back up that claim, rather than Punjab bob, or whatever his army pal was called.

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 09:14 PM
I personally agree that her reaction was OTT.

However I also don't understand why the other woman was assuming that she was from an African country?

What does her look/clothing say to you Mock

England?

----------------

Is leopard print considered African attire?

Leopard print is the most popular print in Africa. Women typically wear it on different occasions such as weddings, graduations, and the like.

(Google)
the woman is a race baiter

Mystic Mock
30-11-2022, 09:17 PM
The voices/accents give it away...who spoke first on this occasion would be my question.

But if this girl was on her street and someone from her street said she sounded like she was from south London, well, I bet she would be more offended by that, than by whatever that cock eyed inbred old snobby suckler of the queen bees honey teeth said.

100 percent.

Well that's the thing, as soon as she spoke with her Cockney accent that should be a huge giveaway.:laugh:

And about her being offended possibly if someone said she sounded like a Cockney is just a guessing game at this point.

Cherie
30-11-2022, 09:21 PM
I personally agree that her reaction was OTT.

However I also don't understand why the other woman was assuming that she was from an African country?

Maybe because of what she was wearing :shrug:

Mystic Mock
30-11-2022, 09:22 PM
What does her look/clothing say to you Mock

England?

----------------

Is leopard print considered African attire?

Leopard print is the most popular print in Africa. Women typically wear it on different occasions such as weddings, graduations, and the like.

(Google)
the woman is a race baiter

It's Cultural Appropriation I tell you.:fist:

But seriously just because she wears African attire doesn't mean that she was born on that continent, it just means that she has heritage there.

Mystic Mock
30-11-2022, 09:23 PM
Maybe because of what she was wearing :shrug:

But didn't the accent twig that she might be English?:laugh:

Cherie
30-11-2022, 09:24 PM
It's Cultural Appropriation I tell you.:fist:

But seriously just because she wears African attire doesn't mean that she was born on that continent, it just means that she has heritage there.

And that was the question...where were her people from, it’s small talk

Cherie
30-11-2022, 09:26 PM
The thread title is erroneous Arista

Beso
30-11-2022, 09:27 PM
Well that's the thing, as soon as she spoke with her Cockney accent that should be a huge giveaway.:laugh:

And about her being offended possibly if someone said she sounded like a Cockney is just a guessing game at this point.

Proper Londoners can tell the difference in accents between east n south london. People born in london are more proud of the area of London they are from than being from london. So I repeat, this woman, if shes so proud of her east london upbringing, would, and infact should, take more offence if someone in her borough thought she came from south London, rather than asking her if she was african because of her dress sense.

What would she reply I wonder if someone had actually asked her if she was African.. and also if the answer would depend on grandparents being in earshot.

Mystic Mock
30-11-2022, 09:28 PM
And that was the question...where were her people from, it’s small talk

The way she phrased it sounded like she was questioning the woman personally about where she was born.

Unless it's just the thread title being misleading.

thesheriff443
30-11-2022, 09:29 PM
Didn’t she say we’re are you from really.

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 09:33 PM
Didn’t she say we’re are you from really.

and every man and his dog understands the question

but not this woman looking to get some attention and importance

GiRTh
30-11-2022, 09:33 PM
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jet
30-11-2022, 09:38 PM
I'm well aware that they said it wasn't Philip. You said the only racism you have heard is from Harry himself.....I was saying that Philip has some documented comments too. :shrug:

I couldn't care less if they accept a plastic award or not in all honesty. They are no longer working Royals so ca give awards/ accept awards all they want. The media in this country feed the madness, if they didn't report it, it would have passed and none of us would have know or cared.

What they do has no bearing on this story really though, my point was I hoped it would not overshadow Kate and Williams USA trip which it obviously is doing at the moment but hopefully it will be resolved by the resignation and Kennsington Palaces statement of condemnation. This incident today, not M &H.

Philip was from a long past generation (like the elderly lady susan). A lot different from a young man like Harry's racism.

The press are always going to report on H&M antics as they sell, and H&M's PR push all they are doing to the hilt. So I do care, as do many, that the couple undermine the good work and reputations of the Royals, especially abroad, with their malicious agenda's. It's fine if you don't care, it's not compulsory after all. :hee:
I can't see that this elderly lady's words will affect William and Kate's trip, she's 83, from a different generation and not family. Now THAT incident is overblown madness...

GiRTh
30-11-2022, 09:41 PM
What does her look/clothing say to you Mock

England?

----------------

Is leopard print considered African attire?

Leopard print is the most popular print in Africa. Women typically wear it on different occasions such as weddings, graduations, and the like.

(Google)
the woman is a race baiterYes it does.

This a multicultural population, apparently. Why would I think anything else? :shrug:

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 09:42 PM
not sheelagh

a dreadful hand-wringing apologist hard lefty still amazingly employed by LBC

:facepalm:

as bad as Oprah "interviewing" markle

GiRTh
30-11-2022, 09:43 PM
not sheelagh

a dreadful hand-wringing apologist hard lefty still amazingly employed by LBC

:facepalm:

as bad as Oprah "interviewing" markleYou clearly haven't listened to it. :laugh:

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 09:45 PM
You clearly haven't listened to it. :laugh:

Iain Dale played it out tonight on his show when i was in the car

race baiting at its finest

shame on both of them

GiRTh
30-11-2022, 09:48 PM
Iain Dale played it out tonight on his show when i was in the car

race baiting at its finest

shame on both of themHow far in did you tune out? A minute. Not even that long I bet. :facepalm:

Please define race baiting?

Oliver_W
30-11-2022, 10:04 PM
She does seem to be making rather a meal of it. I bet she was rubbing her hands with glee when she realised how much she could milk from it.

I'm sure "Dr" Shola will get several TV appearances out of this to crow on and on.

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 10:06 PM
She does seem to be making rather a meal of it. I bet she was rubbing her hands with glee when she realised how much she could milk from it.

I'm sure "Dr" Shola will get several TV appearances out of this to crow on and on.

:joker:

you can guarantee that clown will be on gmb tomorrow

GiRTh
30-11-2022, 10:09 PM
She does seem to be making rather a meal of it. I bet she was rubbing her hands with glee when she realised how much she could milk from it.

I'm sure "Dr" Shola will get several TV appearances out of this to crow on and on.Familiar reaction

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 10:17 PM
Of course we have not got Lady Susan's account of what happened

So nothing more than a loaded one sided account reeking of bias

:umm2:

AnnieK
30-11-2022, 10:19 PM
Philip was from a long past generation (like the elderly lady susan). A lot different from a young man like Harry's racism.

The press are always going to report on H&M antics as they sell, and H&M's PR push all they are doing to the hilt. So I do care, as do many, that the couple undermine the good work and reputations of the Royals, especially abroad, with their malicious agenda's. It's fine if you don't care, it's not compulsory after all. :hee:
I can't see that this elderly lady's words will affect William and Kate's trip, she's 83, from a different generation and not family. Now THAT incident is overblown madness...

Why have Williams team chosen to publically condemn it then? I agree, she's not family, as I stated above, but he and his team obviously feel strongly enough to put a statement out.

I'm not commenting any more on Harry and Meghan as they have nothing to do with this news article. I agree she is from another generation but don't agree that gives you a free pass. My dad is the same generation, if I thought he said something that could be taken offensively by someone, I would call him out on it......and he wants me to do that.

Oliver_W
30-11-2022, 10:19 PM
Familiar reaction

It's just making a mountain out of a molehill. So a member of staff said something stupid and didn't drop it ... okay? It doesn't mean Working Royals need to take time out to talk about it.

GiRTh
30-11-2022, 10:34 PM
Of course we have not got Lady Susan's account of what happened

So nothing more than a loaded one sided account reeking of bias

:umm2:The 2nd bit; is that your definition of race baiting?

You haven't answered the question :shrug:

GiRTh
30-11-2022, 10:35 PM
It's just making a mountain out of a molehill. So a member of staff said something stupid and didn't drop it ... okay? It doesn't mean Working Royals need to take time out to talk about it.
I'm gonna guess you too aint listened to the clip.

jet
30-11-2022, 10:36 PM
Why have Williams team chosen to publically condemn it then? I agree, she's not family, as I stated above, but he and his team obviously feel strongly enough to put a statement out.
.

Imo, it's because they have to be particularly careful now how they react given H&M's accusations of structural racism in the Royal family instead of the previous 'never explain' or waiting until they have the full picture.
I doubt William even had a conversation with Lady Susan to hear her side.

jet
30-11-2022, 10:36 PM
Apart from this lady accusing the Royal family of ‘domestic violence’ against Meghan in 2021, this is a tweet from her earlier this year:

Sistah Space

Harry and Meghan won’t be allowed on the balcony?
They’re in a completely different category to Andrew. He’s linked to sexual crimes.
Harry married and had children with a black woman. An all exclusively white balcony.
The only black people banned. RACISM.

Why did this lady go to the Palace function if she believed the Royals were domestic abusers and racists? Did she make a meal out of an elderly lady questioning her in just a clumsy manner? I have my suspicions.

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 10:38 PM
Imo, it's because they have to be particularly careful now how they react given H&M's accusations of structural racism in the Royal family instead of the previous 'never explain' or waiting until they have the full picture.
I doubt William even had a conversation with Lady Susan to hear her side.

the bile thrown at a 83 year old woman tells you all you need know about this cowardly attack

she is old and white so fair game

its racism and ageism, but not fashionably so

disgusting

arista
30-11-2022, 10:41 PM
https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-bb9d4fb7-7c77-44e0-8909-d5f7c98e390c.jpeg

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 10:41 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/19/65101045-11487065-image-m-15_1669836589645.jpg

arista
30-11-2022, 10:43 PM
https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-52b3ca14-acf8-45e0-8dbf-eba75accbb6b.jpeg

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 10:48 PM
the guardian readers in a circle jerk over this

hating on England as per

:laugh2:

arista
30-11-2022, 10:51 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fi2H7B_X0A0kYOu?format=jpg&name=small

arista
30-11-2022, 10:52 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fi2GCT8XkAAagwn?format=jpg&name=900x900

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 11:02 PM
"interrogated"

journalists should be ashamed at this shameful reader trolling for views

do they not have grandmothers?

Zizu
30-11-2022, 11:05 PM
Maybe people should have listened to Meghan Markle after all ....


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Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 11:10 PM
Maybe people should have listened to Meghan Markle after all ....


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they did not because she lied and lied and lied

are you saying people should listen to a serial liar?

:umm2:

arista
30-11-2022, 11:14 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fiy4FpMWIAAdz4E?format=jpg&name=900x900

Oliver_W
30-11-2022, 11:17 PM
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the grift - most people would dismiss and roll their eyes about inappropriate comments or questions from a decrepit old fossil; it takes a special kind of mind to use it as an opportunity for publicity and money-making.

Oliver_W
30-11-2022, 11:19 PM
I'm gonna guess you too aint listened to the clip.

To which clip do you refer? I read the transcript of the conversation.

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 11:24 PM
To which clip do you refer? I read the transcript of the conversation.

its not its that awful womans claim to a conversation

bias claims at best

Beso
30-11-2022, 11:27 PM
LAtqgp02sAs

So after watching that....

It's like an experience everyone has experienced.

Your invited to a party...

Someone connected to the host insults you...

You make that known...


The host reacts, and the insultee, is black balled from future parties..



One question I have for this woman..


Now all that's happened, why the hell are you still bleating on about something that isnt bothering you at all, other than providing you with a good after dinner speech.

Oliver_W
30-11-2022, 11:28 PM
Now all that's happened, why the hell are you still bleating on about something that isnt bothering you at all, other than providing you with a good after dinner speech.
So she can make more money from it :shrug:

Beso
30-11-2022, 11:30 PM
So she can make more money from it :shrug:

I suggest she buys a new outfit more becoming to her heritage she is now claiming.

Oliver_W
30-11-2022, 11:35 PM
To which clip do you refer? I read the transcript of the conversation.
its not its that awful womans claim to a conversation
Ohh the LBC clip! Tbh I generally ignore and skip past news type media posted on this site because most of it is BS :joker:

Apparently wanting a name badge to actually be visible and moving something hanging in the way was a big insult? She's really reaching for every little thing ain't she. If it's really impolite to touch someone else's dreads, maybe don't leave them in front of something that's meant to be visible?

I suggest she buys a new outfit more becoming to her heritage she is now claiming.
Blud no.

She can wear what she likes, who cares?
(As long as it doesn't have vile language or penises hanging off it)

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 11:36 PM
for a woman who works for a "charity"

she is NOT very charitable to the aged...

Redway
30-11-2022, 11:43 PM
I saw that. Shocking.

Beso
30-11-2022, 11:44 PM
Ohh the LBC clip! Tbh I generally ignore and skip past news type media posted on this site because most of it is BS :joker:

Apparently wanting a name badge to actually be visible and moving something hanging in the way was a big insult? She's really reaching for every little thing ain't she. If it's really impolite to touch someone else's dreads, maybe don't leave them in front of something that's meant to be visible?


Blud no.

She can wear what she likes, who cares?
(As long as it doesn't have vile language or penises hanging off it)

Why are you calling me blud like some disillusioned South London teenager?

Dont fit me, sayin.

Beso
30-11-2022, 11:45 PM
I saw that. Shocking.

Come on redway..you got more than thay to say.:shrug:

Redway
30-11-2022, 11:45 PM
Maybe,
it is still Rude to ask a black person if they are from Africa?

She could be English
or from the West Indies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indies

Exactly, arista. Even if you’re not aware of racial subtleties and what’s appropriate thereof it’s still a total invasion of privacy and personal boundary-space to make a complete stranger answer such questions. Whether you have experience dealing with subtle racism or not there’s absolutely no defending this one.

Beso
30-11-2022, 11:47 PM
Exactly, arista. Even if you’re not aware of racial subtleties and what’s appropriate thereof it’s still a total invasion of privacy and personal boundary-space to make a complete stranger answer such questions. Whether you have experience dealing with subtle racism or not there’s absolutely no defending this one.

But if you like the person, and they don't talk with a london accent, they talk in broken English.

It is ok to ask them what part of africa they are from yeah?

Redway
30-11-2022, 11:47 PM
Come on redway..you got more than thay to say.:shrug:

Of course I do but some people won’t be listening either way so beyond the little I’ve already said I’m just going to let my sentiments be reflected in what most other people have written in this thread. I’m not getting into any long-drawn debate tonight.

Beso
30-11-2022, 11:49 PM
Of course I do but some people won’t be listening either way so beyond the little I’ve already said I’m just going to let my sentiments be reflected in what most other people have written in this thread. I’m not getting into any long-drawn debate tonight.

If you can just answer the question above honestly, that will do for me my friend.

Redway
30-11-2022, 11:49 PM
asking where someone is from is not and never has been racism

I've lost count of the number of people that have asked what part of Scotland I am from, i don't consider that racist

Maybe because Scottish isn’t a race.

Crimson Dynamo
30-11-2022, 11:52 PM
Maybe because Scottish isn’t a race.

what race is english?

Redway
30-11-2022, 11:52 PM
But if you like the person, and they don't talk with a london accent, they talk in broken English.

It is ok to ask them what part of africa they are from yeah?

When the mutual familiarity’s tight enough/you’re talking as (potential) friends the only thing wrong with that is assuming they’d have to be from Africa, even the way it sounds (and for all you know they could be from Saint Kitts and Nevis). But in the context of this thread it was so-blatantly asked to racially-offend Ngozi and tell her ‘her kind’s not welcome’ and that’s blatantly not okay.

Redway
30-11-2022, 11:52 PM
what race is english?

None.

Beso
30-11-2022, 11:57 PM
Maybe because Scottish isn’t a race.

That's true, but she does look like a stereotypical scotsman in a way..so on that note, I think its fair to say, "I wouldn't be offended if I was attending such a lavish event, and someone asked me in my kilt and sporran, what part of Scotland are you from"

I would actually be made up to bits that someone was asking me about myself and my home town.:shrug:

Redway
30-11-2022, 11:59 PM
I personally agree that her reaction was OTT.

However I also don't understand why the other woman was assuming that she was from an African country?

Because she was a racist scumbag, Mock. Pure and simple. Ngozi really, really didn’t overreact.

Redway
01-12-2022, 12:02 AM
That's true, but she does look like a stereotypical scotsman in a way..so on that note, I think its fair to say, "I wouldn't be offended if I was attending such a lavish event, and someone asked me in my kilt and sporran, what part of Scotland are you from"

I would actually be made up to bits that someone was asking me about myself and my home town.:shrug:

The context is ever-so-slightly different (preying too much about a black person’s descent and asking them about it when you don’t know them has always been deeply racially-offensive, and that’s putting it really rather mildly) but it’s good that you’re a proud Scot.

Beso
01-12-2022, 12:03 AM
When the mutual familiarity’s tight enough/you’re talking as (potential) friends the only thing wrong with that is assuming they’d have to be from Africa, even the way it sounds (and for all you know they could be from Saint Kitts and Nevis). But in the context of this thread it was so-blatantly asked to racially-offend Ngozi and tell her ‘her kind’s not welcome’ and that’s blatantly not okay.



It isnt ok. I agree.
But I dont think that's what was going on. I mean no offence to squint eyed inbreds, but have you seen the state of the old woman.:conf:

No way she was doing anything deliberately, the only accusation could be rudeness, but who knows she might just have aspergers or something.


Its crap story, but opens up an interesting debate..

Pity you cant be bothered tonight, perhaps another time.:wavey:

Beso
01-12-2022, 12:12 AM
The context is ever-so-slightly different (preying too much about a black person’s descent and asking them about it when you don’t know them has always been deeply racially-offensive, and that’s putting it really rather mildly) but it’s good that you’re a proud Scot.

I dunno..

You come to an event like that, dressed up like she was.

If it were me, I would be disappointed if I wasnt asked what part of Africa I'm from.

Especially all the old folk in there, who ain't to sure about how to word things. I'd have a right laugh and giggle with them about it.

I certainly wouldnt be on every radio station or podcast whatevers bleating about that being the only thing about my day out.

Redway
01-12-2022, 12:37 AM
It isnt ok. I agree.
But I dont think that's what was going on. I mean no offence to squint eyed inbreds, but have you seen the state of the old woman.:conf:

No way she was doing anything deliberately, the only accusation could be rudeness, but who knows she might just have aspergers or something.


Its crap story, but opens up an interesting debate..

Pity you cant be bothered tonight, perhaps another time.:wavey:

I mean, she might do but people said just that about (to use a very extreme example) Shamima Begum (because of the intense social awkwardness she gave off in vibes when she was being interviewed) and people still (rightly) came on her with force so I wouldn’t even be trying to use that as an excuse when it comes to things race-related.

arista
01-12-2022, 12:37 AM
['Consider the legacy of colonialism and racism':
Black reverend opens William and Kate's Earthshot
event with awkward lecture on historic
prejudice - just HOURS after Palace race scandal
triggered by Prince's own godmother]

[ Reverend Mariama White-Hammond was one
of several speakers at the Earthshot Prize launch
in Boston on Wednesday,
when she made a speech that included comments
on the impact of racism on climate change
She told the crowd to 'consider the legacy of
colonialism and racism',
adding that it has impacted people across the world'
Caroline Kennedy, daughter of
late President JFK, whose Moonshot speech inspired
Earthshot, was meant to be in attendance however
she was unable to attend due to 'disrupted travel plans'
Similarly, John Kerry,presidential envoy for climate,
was due to be in attendance, but informed the
Prince and Princess earlier today that he would
'sadly no longer be able to attend'
Prince William and Kate Middleton touched down
in Boston on Wednesday afternoon and were
greeted by Governor Baker of Massachusetts
amid a furious Buckingham Palace race row*
William's godmother Lady Susan Hussey
was accused of making racist comments
to black domestic abuse
campaigner Ngozi Fulani at an event
hosted by Queen Consort Camilla
on Tuesday night]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/22/65107513-11487065-image-a-93_1669847435701.jpg
At the Boston USA Event
yesterday

Beso
01-12-2022, 12:41 AM
I mean, she might do but people said just that about (to use a very extreme example) Shamima Begum (because of the intense social awkwardness she gave off in vibes when she was being interviewed) and people still (rightly) came on her with force so I wouldn’t even be trying to use that as an excuse when it comes to things race-related.

Yes, a very extreme example.

arista
01-12-2022, 12:59 AM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/30/22/65107191-0-image-a-63_1669846893606.jpg

Richard Kay's take


[Lady Susan Hussey will be mortified
at causing offence with her remarks.
But friends are accusing the Palace - which is extremely
sensitive ahead of Harry and Meghan's Netflix
documentary - of acting with indecent haste]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11487997/RICHARD-KAY-Lady-Susan-Hussey-mortified-causing-offence-remarks.html

Zizu
01-12-2022, 03:21 AM
they did not because she lied and lied and lied

are you saying people should listen to a serial liar?

:umm2:


Maybe she had a point .. is my point


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Mystic Mock
01-12-2022, 04:38 AM
Of course we have not got Lady Susan's account of what happened

So nothing more than a loaded one sided account reeking of bias

:umm2:

Admittedly I would like to hear her version of events.

Mystic Mock
01-12-2022, 04:45 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fiy4FpMWIAAdz4E?format=jpg&name=900x900

Is that the real conversation?

Because it sounds like an episode of Ch4 Big Brother.:joker:

Mystic Mock
01-12-2022, 04:51 AM
Because she was a racist scumbag, Mock. Pure and simple. Ngozi really, really didn’t overreact.

I think that I misread the op at that point and thought that Ngozi had resigned from her Charity work.:facepalm:

My bad.:laugh:

bots
01-12-2022, 06:48 AM
if it were one simple question it would be harmless, but this seems to have gone on and on which does put a different slant on it

arista
01-12-2022, 07:02 AM
Is that the real conversation?

Because it sounds like an episode of Ch4 Big Brother.:joker:


Yes it is.


Ngozi Fulani, herself
is going to be Live on GMBHD itv

AnnieK
01-12-2022, 07:13 AM
if it were one simple question it would be harmless, but this seems to have gone on and on which does put a different slant on it

Agreed

Gusto Brunt
01-12-2022, 07:31 AM
To be fair, she phased the question totally wrong.

The lady was wearing 'traditional dress' I believe. All the Queen's dogsbody had to say was 'which country is that traditional dress from?'

But of course even that, an appropriate question, could be thought of as 'racist. :rolleyes:

I do believe the woman who complained was deliberately being awkward. Why wear 'traditional dress' if you want to dissociate yourself from it?

Cherie
01-12-2022, 08:54 AM
Yes it is.


Ngozi Fulani, herself
is going to be Live on GMBHD itv

of course she is :joker:

Why have you got Black Godmother in the title? it is not correct

AnnieK
01-12-2022, 09:11 AM
of course she is :joker:

Why have you got Black Godmother in the title? it is not correct

The title of this thread offends me - it makes no sense :laugh:

Cherie
01-12-2022, 09:15 AM
The title of this thread offends me - it makes no sense :laugh:

I dont know how we have got to 4 pages and it is still unchanged :laugh:

bots
01-12-2022, 09:17 AM
The title of this thread offends me - it makes no sense :laugh:

it's completely the wrong way round :joker:

joeysteele
01-12-2022, 09:37 AM
Well the Royals have a bit of a mess here on this one.

The constant questioning is unnecessary and inappropriate.
Really would have been better had this lady not raised the issue at all.

I just can't see the point of even asking these questions in the first place.
Ask about the charity yes.
Not go into a personal questioning route.

Also, have to agree with others arista, this thread title is more like a riddle, sorry for that.

Alf
01-12-2022, 10:19 AM
Would it be racist to ask Cliff Richard, which part of England he came from?

By this logic, it would. That's how silly you are and this is.

Asking a question is not racism. We ask questions as humans to find out information.

The rest of the World is laughing at how silly you are.

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 10:30 AM
If you met her and she said her name is Ngozi Fulani

and you asked "oh where does that name originate from?"

in her head she is thinking "you racist!"

:conf:

baffling

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 10:52 AM
Familiar response on here. She's over reacting, shes lying, we only have on e side of the story.

Noted that only a few are saying that Lady whatever shouildnt have interrogated her. Familiar sad response. :sad:

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 10:55 AM
we do only have one side of the story

that is a fact

if it isnt please post the other side

arista
01-12-2022, 10:59 AM
The title of this thread offends me - it makes no sense :laugh:


Not enough room to fit in the Full title

I have now modified it
to
"Black godmother to Prince William, Resigns : after being insulted by Royal staff "

arista
01-12-2022, 11:00 AM
1598237991322980353

bots
01-12-2022, 11:08 AM
Not enough room to fit in the Full title

but the title is plain wrong, for example, the godmother was not black

arista
01-12-2022, 11:11 AM
but the title is plain wrong, for example, the godmother was not black

I have modified it

Godmother to Prince William resigns, after asking Black Lady what country she's from

Oliver_W
01-12-2022, 11:12 AM
To be fair, she phased the question totally wrong.

The lady was wearing 'traditional dress' I believe. All the Queen's dogsbody had to say was 'which country is that traditional dress from?'

But of course even that, an appropriate question, could be thought of as 'racist. :rolleyes:

I do believe the woman who complained was deliberately being awkward. Why wear 'traditional dress' if you want to dissociate yourself from it?

No.

People can wear what they like without having to explain themselves. That lady could wear clothing which originates from any culture, and it wouldn't give people the right to question her.

Oliver_W
01-12-2022, 11:13 AM
Familiar response on here. She's over reacting, shes lying, we only have on e side of the story.

Noted that only a few are saying that Lady whatever shouildnt have interrogated her. Familiar sad response. :sad:

What is the correct response?

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 11:13 AM
I have modified it

Black godmother to Prince William, Resigns : after being insulted by Royal staff

:joker:

the lady who resigned is a white English lady who worked for the Queen Consort

the women making all the fuss is a Black woman who works at some charity in Hackney

Oliver_W
01-12-2022, 11:17 AM
I have modified it

Black godmother to Prince William, Resigns : after being insulted by Royal staff

The godmother still isn't black though.

Did you fully understand the story?

joeysteele
01-12-2022, 11:21 AM
How about.

Royal aide quits after alleged racism row looms.

arista
01-12-2022, 11:22 AM
How about.

Royal aide quits after alleged racism row looms.


Done it

Godmother to Prince William resigns after asking Black Lady what country she's from

arista
01-12-2022, 11:24 AM
The godmother still isn't black though.

Did you fully understand the story?


Yes Typed it in
wrong

Now Corrected

arista
01-12-2022, 11:26 AM
but the title is plain wrong, for example, the godmother was not black


Yes Corrected now

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 11:27 AM
What is the correct response?There is no correct response. Its just sad to see the same thing over and over again.

How many think she over reacted? We should start a poll

arista
01-12-2022, 11:27 AM
I dont know how we have got to 4 pages and it is still unchanged :laugh:

Sure
Corrected now

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 11:28 AM
we do only have one side of the story

that is a fact

if it isnt please post the other sideYou're correct. We do only know one side.

arista
01-12-2022, 11:29 AM
There is no correct response. Its just sad to see the same thing over and over again.

How many think she over reacted? We should start a poll


Ngozi Fulani, chief executive of Sistah Space
did nothing wrong,


https://www.itv.com/news/2022-11-30/palace-staffer-resigns-after-asking-black-guest-where-she-really-came-from

Redway
01-12-2022, 12:10 PM
:joker:

the lady who resigned is a white English lady who worked for the Queen Consort

the women making all the fuss is a Black woman who works at some charity in Hackney

There's a difference between politely asking someone of their heritage in an appropriate space and doing it in a way that's blatantly intentioned as racist/telling her that 'her kind isn't welcome.' If you knew what the name Ngozi means and who the Igbo people really are/how gifted they are you wouldn't be so quick to write her off as just some next black woman from Hackney but you shouldn't write off/indirectly-gaslight people of colour relating their experiences of racism anyway. Your comparison between a white English lady and a "snowflake" black woman (black people have been and go through too much to ever be snowflake-y; that's a white Gen.-Z thing, not something that applies to enterprising and hard-working black people with a lifetime of unnecessary discrimination to boot) in terms of who you think's more reliable is absolutely disgusting. I know you're fond of saying things to bait but at some point you're going to have to sit back and realise how shameful some of your comments and your wilful ignorance are.

Oliver_W
01-12-2022, 12:12 PM
There's a difference between politely asking someone of their heritage in an appropriate space and doing it in a way that's blatantly intentioned as racist/telling her that 'her kind isn't welcome.'

How is asking someone's heritate the same as saying they're not welcome?

Redway
01-12-2022, 12:14 PM
arista:

"Royal aide to Prince William resigns after alleged racism"

^ that sells the story well enough and that's all you need to say for the title.

You're going to have to ignore what other people are bait-suggesting about us only having one side of the story. We've read/seen enough.

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 12:16 PM
arista:

"Royal aide to Prince William resigns after alleged racism"

^ that sells the story well enough and that's all you need to say for the title.

You're going to have to ignore what other people are bait-suggesting about us only having one side of the story. We've read/seen enough.

is that the Royal "we"?

Oliver_W
01-12-2022, 12:18 PM
is that the Royal "we"?

Reddy's suggested title is fine - Lady SH did step down, and the racism is alleged.

rusticgal
01-12-2022, 12:18 PM
No.

People can wear what they like without having to explain themselves. That lady could wear clothing which originates from any culture, and it wouldn't give people the right to question her.

Of course you can wear what you like...however if you were making small talk to a person you have never met before and he is wearing a Kilt...would it not be an inevitable question to ask what part of Scotland are you from??
Are you not considered to be making a statement if you are in the National attire of a country?
The woman was 89...it was time for her to step down but how sad that after all these years of service she will be remembered as being 'Racist'...It has been a complete over reaction...and it seems her apology just is not good enough.

Redway
01-12-2022, 12:19 PM
How is asking someone's heritate the same as saying they're not welcome?

There's only so far one can really go with people who are committed to disregarding/ignoring the nuances of racism and try to justify it with literal word-logic (I'm not saying you're prejudiced by any means but this evidently isn't a thing you have much experience of, whether directly or as a white person who's experienced enough in subtle racism and how it comes about). I'd candidly say attitudes like this are part of the problem but no-doubt everything I say will be twisted and asked to be supported with statistical studies proving that asking someone about their heritage in such a disrespectful way (not just in any context/for the sake of genuinely wanting to know but to be racist) is, indeed, racist so I am going to have to cap off this discussion at some point before it becomes too nonsensical and gaslight-y and anyone who sees the patent offence in this is called a paranoid conclusion-jumper.

Redway
01-12-2022, 12:26 PM
Would it be racist to ask Cliff Richard, which part of England he came from?

By this logic, it would. That's how silly you are and this is.

Asking a question is not racism. We ask questions as humans to find out information.

The rest of the World is laughing at how silly you are.

By all grounds of logic one would have to account for the fact that "English" isn't a race and that there's a very specific issue of black people being asked that question with blatantly-racist intentions at play. If you're from a different world or don't have much real experience with black friends/racism and whatnot it's quite alright not to get it or understand completely but it's not okay to indirectly gaslight this woman just because her experience of (not even very subtle) racism doesn't resonate with your understanding of racism as a middle-aged white man from Hull. Chances are it most-definitely won't but there's a way to hold space for people talking about things you don't fully understand without calling them over-sensitive snowflakes.

arista
01-12-2022, 12:42 PM
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arista
01-12-2022, 12:43 PM
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Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 12:48 PM
But a former close aide to the Queen told me: 'No question, Lady Susan has been thrown
under a bus and it is a massive overreaction.

'Where was anyone standing up saying, 'Wait a moment, this is a woman who has
travelled to every corner of the planet and met people from every ethnic background. Is it
really likely that she would be deliberately, provocatively racist?' I don't think so.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11487997/RICHARD-KAY-Lady-Susan-Hussey-mortified-causing-offence-remarks.html

Zizu
01-12-2022, 12:58 PM
The Duke of Edinburgh, was known for his controversial sense of humor and often made remarks during royal engagements that landed him in hot water.

These have included telling the President of Nigeria that he looked like he was "ready for bed" when he wore national dress to meet Prince Phillip in 2003, and comparing Ethiopian art to "the kind of thing my daughter would bring back from school art lessons" back in 1965.

During a visit to China in 1986, he also told a British student that if he stayed much longer, "you'll go home with slitty eyes."

Most of these comments have come and gone without acknowledgment from the palace. However, The Independent reports that the duke issued a public apology after a visit to an electronics factory in Scotland in 1999, where he said a messy fuse box looked "as though it was put in by an Indian."


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arista
01-12-2022, 01:06 PM
[But a former close aide to the
Queen told me: 'No question, Lady Susan has been thrown
under a bus and it is a massive overreaction.]


No, it killed the story,
these are the new Royals acting faster

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 01:11 PM
But a former close aide to the Queen told me: 'No question, Lady Susan has been thrown
under a bus and it is a massive overreaction.

'Where was anyone standing up saying, 'Wait a moment, this is a woman who has
travelled to every corner of the planet and met people from every ethnic background. Is it
really likely that she would be deliberately, provocatively racist?' I don't think so.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11487997/RICHARD-KAY-Lady-Susan-Hussey-mortified-causing-offence-remarks.htmlGood they admit it was racist. :thumbs:

James
01-12-2022, 01:17 PM
James was on about trying to steal some new fm's from folks leaving twitter. He should definitely post a link to this thread if he wants to show the new guys everything this site has to offer.

I had to look back and check when I posted that, didn't remember it. :shrug: I think I was joking.

It would only be if Twitter was closing down, which obviously isn't happening.

Liam-
01-12-2022, 02:00 PM
I’m just glad Harry and Meghan have now been vindicated, what with that former counterterrorism fella coming out about the real and dangerous threat against Meghan and now the in house racism being exposed and proven to be true, hopefully that teaches the haters a stern lesson, it won’t, but it should

Oliver_W
01-12-2022, 02:03 PM
These have included telling the President of Nigeria that he looked like he was "ready for bed" when he wore national dress to meet Prince Phillip in 2003, and comparing Ethiopian art to "the kind of thing my daughter would bring back from school art lessons" back in 1965.

They might not be seen as nice things to say, but some cultural garb does resemble our night wear, and some art does look like it was done at a primary school :shrug: but as both things are harmless, there's no need to make such remarks.

jet
01-12-2022, 02:03 PM
Snippers of TV news today -

William Shawcross, former chairman of the Charity Commission says he has known Lady Hussey for 40 years and she has never shown a trace of racism.
Suggestions that 83 yr old LH is no longer quite firing on all cylinders and is rather hard of hearing….but Palace won’t say so…

Palace say they have reached out to Ngozi to have a conversation with her about it but haven’t heard back from her …..Ngozi says they haven’t contacted her at all. :conf:

Oliver_W
01-12-2022, 02:04 PM
I’m just glad Harry and Meghan have now been vindicated, what with that former counterterrorism fella coming out about the real and dangerous threat against Meghan and now the in house racism being exposed and proven to be true, hopefully that teaches the haters a stern lesson, it won’t, but it should

One random servant (who subsequently resigned) pursuing an inappropriate line of questioning doesn't valid the claims made about the actual family.

Oliver_W
01-12-2022, 02:06 PM
Palace say they have reached out to Ngozi to have a conversation with her about it but haven’t heard back from her …..Ngozi says they haven’t contacted her at all. :conf:

What is there even to say? "We're sorry that you're offended by the lady who no longer works here, have a biscuit"

jet
01-12-2022, 02:11 PM
I’m just glad Harry and Meghan have now been vindicated, what with that former counterterrorism fella coming out about the real and dangerous threat against Meghan and now the in house racism being exposed and proven to be true, hopefully that teaches the haters a stern lesson, it won’t, but it should

One old lady does not add up to in - house racism. :laugh:
Meghan only mentioned one instance of what she seen as racism - someone asking what their unborn baby would look like, which hasn't been proven as no name has ever been given.
If there had been other instances of racism, do you really believe that we wouldn't have heard of them by now? Do you really think that M&H would have kept quiet about it?

Oliver_W
01-12-2022, 02:15 PM
One old lady does not add up to in - house racism. :laugh:
Meghan only mentioned one instance of what she seen as racism - someone asking what their unborn baby would look like, which hasn't been proven as no name has ever been given.
If there had been other instances of racism, do you really believe that we wouldn't have heard of them by now? Do you really think that M&H would have kept quiet about it?
Even that's no more racist than wondering of the baby would be ginger.

bots
01-12-2022, 02:15 PM
the woman making the complaints clearly has an agenda. You don't make this much fuss, appearing on morning news channels etc without one

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 02:16 PM
The real issue here is how many people are desperate for this to BE racism

ironically it once again devalues the real fight against racism

sad to see

Zizu
01-12-2022, 02:19 PM
Sky News are pushing the story big time today ..


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The Slim Reaper
01-12-2022, 02:20 PM
I had to look back and check when I posted that, didn't remember it. :shrug: I think I was joking.

It would only be if Twitter was closing down, which obviously isn't happening.

I definitely think you were joking, and my post wasn't serious either.

Zizu
01-12-2022, 02:26 PM
Asked if she had wanted Lady Hussey to resign or if she would have been content with an apology, Ms Fulani said: "I would have preferred it did not happen...

Ngozi Fulani was questioned about her background by Lady Susan Hussey, Prince William's godmother, at Buckingham Palace on Tuesday. The late Queen's lady-in-waiting has since resigned.
Ms Fulani likened the conversation with Lady Hussey, 83, to "an interrogation".


Ms Fulani later told BBC News: "Now, violence isn't always physical, it can be verbal.
"And that felt like violence to me, and when you put your hand in my hair like I'm not even a person - you can just do what you want and say what you want - I don't want to be in your presence

Ms Fulani was a guest at the reception representing domestic violence charity Sistah Space when she described Lady Hussey moving her hair to see her name badge, and then challenging her repeatedly to explain where she was from.
Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Ms Fulani said: "It was like an interrogation. I guess the only way I can explain it, she's determined: 'Where are you from? Where are your people from?'"


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jet
01-12-2022, 02:27 PM
the woman making the complaints clearly has an agenda. You don't make this much fuss, appearing on morning news channels etc without one

It does look that way, especially as she has accused the Royals of domestic violence against Meghan in the past and tweeted that not having 'the only black person' on the balcony during the Jubilee was RACIST (her capitals).

arista
01-12-2022, 02:33 PM
I’m just glad Harry and Meghan have now been vindicated, what with that former counterterrorism fella coming out about the real and dangerous threat against Meghan and now the in house racism being exposed and proven to be true, hopefully that teaches the haters a stern lesson, it won’t, but it should


Hold on.

Sure Racism


But other stuff she Lied about
On that Oprah facade

Cherie
01-12-2022, 02:51 PM
I just wonder why she didn't put Susan in her place there and then rather than clamming up, also there were two other women there and none of them suggested the conversation was making them uncomfortable, I recall going into work and the caretaker who was probably in his 50s made some comment about the IRA (there has been some atrocity the day before )and even though I was shocked that he felt it was appropriate to say what he said to me as if I was somehow involved due to the sheer fact of being Irish and I was in my early 20s I was still able to put him in his place, not sure she can be that traumatised or violated by what was said in all honesty, she might be angry but tramatised....nah not for me

Cherie
01-12-2022, 03:03 PM
Was it in response to me, if so I didn’t see it :hmph:

Niamh.
01-12-2022, 03:03 PM
Was it in response to me, if so I didn’t see it :hmph:

No it wasn't

The Slim Reaper
01-12-2022, 03:04 PM
Was it in response to me, if so I didn’t see it :hmph:

Was neither in response to anyone or about anyone, but hey ho.

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 03:07 PM
These uppity blacks with their agendas.
:joker:

Nailed it.

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 03:11 PM
The real issue here is how many people are desperate for this to BE racism

ironically it once again devalues the real fight against racism

sad to seeThe real fight against racism?

That is quite a statement to make. Please elaborate. Is there a 'real' and a 'fake' fight against racism? :conf: Please further explain this statement

The Slim Reaper
01-12-2022, 03:14 PM
The real fight against racism?

That is quite a statement to make. Please elaborate. Is there a 'real' and a 'fake' fight against racism? :conf: Please further explain this statement

Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes' white replacement theory is the real racism the west faces. Obama/Clinton are trying to phase out honkeys, didn't you know?

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 03:17 PM
Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes' white replacement theory is the real racism the west faces. Obama/Clinton are trying to phase out honkeys, didn't you know?:joker:
Thanks for clearing that up.

The Slim Reaper
01-12-2022, 03:22 PM
:joker:
Thanks for clearing that up.

I had to tell you right away, because I'm not sure I have long left before Obama and his jackbooted thugs are dragging me out of my bed in the middle of the night, to place me in a cell where I'm forced to listen to 24hr Farrakhan speeches and Islamic surah's.

Redway
01-12-2022, 03:35 PM
The real issue here is how many people are desperate for this to BE racism

ironically it once again devalues the real fight against racism

sad to see

And you're part of that, are you?

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 03:37 PM
I had to tell you right away, because I'm not sure I have long left before Obama and his jackbooted thugs are dragging me out of my bed in the middle of the night, to place me in a cell where I'm forced to listen to 24hr Farrakhan speeches and Islamic surah's.
I never realized this was going on. I'd heard but found it a little far fetched.

There clearly is 'real racism' going on but not being reported. The far-left radical main stream media have been lying to us all along. Tucker and Nick Fuentes are the real deal. Biden,Obama and Clinton are reptilian aliens and Trump is the only one who can save the world. :wink:

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 03:39 PM
GMB, Radio 4

f me she will be on Question time and The Chase next

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 03:46 PM
The 2nd bit; is that your definition of race baiting?

You haven't answered the question :shrug:

How is this relevant? Its not even the topic. :conf:

Please, say in your own words, what does this have to do with the thread title.

The real fight against racism?

That is quite a statement to make. Please elaborate. Is there a 'real' and a 'fake' fight against racism? :conf: Please further explain this statement

Ms Fulani likened the conversation with Lady Hussey, 83, to "an interrogation".



https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/106/590x/Ngozi-Fulani-1703757.jpg?r=1669842429153

Glenn.
01-12-2022, 03:52 PM
Ms Fulani likened the conversation with Lady Hussey, 83, to "an interrogation".



https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/106/590x/Ngozi-Fulani-1703757.jpg?r=1669842429153

I presume you were standing right beside them and managed to listen to the entire conversation to have such a strong opinion?

Redway
01-12-2022, 03:55 PM
Ms Fulani likened the conversation with Lady Hussey, 83, to "an interrogation".



https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/106/590x/Ngozi-Fulani-1703757.jpg?r=1669842429153

And one might liken the Taliban with religious fundamentals and as similarly-benign as that might sound it's also something much worse. Likewise "interrogation" might sound innocent but I wouldn't get it twisted when you're not the one having monkey-chants indirectly aimed at them or bricks going through your window. Ngozi's not backtracking what she said about experiencing racism from the godmother.

thesheriff443
01-12-2022, 04:01 PM
This thread is like watching a horse leading the race but with out it’s jokey on board.

That old woman of 80 something will be the end of the civilised world, Not.

The Slim Reaper
01-12-2022, 04:05 PM
A horse race without jokeys is no joke.

bots
01-12-2022, 04:05 PM
from the transcript, it does look a bit like an interrogation, i have to say.

arista
01-12-2022, 04:07 PM
GMB, Radio 4

f me she will be on Question time and The Chase next


Yes she is ideal
Helps women harassed by bad men

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 04:10 PM
Ms Fulani likened the conversation with Lady Hussey, 83, to "an interrogation".



https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/106/590x/Ngozi-Fulani-1703757.jpg?r=1669842429153Not sure how this answers the posts you quoted but always nice to chat to you. :thumbs:

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 04:11 PM
[QUOTE=bitontheslide;11235340]from the transcript, it does look a bit like an interrogation, i have to say.[/QUOTE}

but it isnt a transcript its just this woman's recollection?

and we all know how accurate they can be when applied to an agenda

Redway
01-12-2022, 04:20 PM
Not sure how this answers the posts you quoted but always nice to chat to you. :thumbs:

Always a pleasure.

Mystic Mock
01-12-2022, 04:35 PM
These uppity blacks with their agendas.

:joker:

rusticgal
01-12-2022, 05:02 PM
from the transcript, it does look a bit like an interrogation, i have to say.


Was it recorded?....or is this just the womans version?

Redway
01-12-2022, 05:50 PM
Was it recorded?....or is this just the womans version?

It was good-as recorded. Somehow one very-much doubts that she was making it up with a non-biased lens is used applied to that transcript.

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 06:01 PM
Was it recorded?....or is this just the womans version?

just hearsay

Redway
01-12-2022, 06:03 PM
just hearsay

Why would a charity-worker lie about something like this?

bots
01-12-2022, 06:19 PM
just hearsay

it's not hearsay, it's the account of one person in the conversation. You can choose to believe it or not, it's pretty irrelevant as the woman has resigned and apologised, making her 100% the guilty party

Redway
01-12-2022, 06:27 PM
I like to hold pity (it can be quite patronising) but I feel so sorry for Ngozi.

Redway
01-12-2022, 06:31 PM
it's not hearsay, it's the account of one person in the conversation. You can choose to believe it or not, it's pretty irrelevant as the woman has resigned and apologised, making her 100% the guilty party

Sometimes when there are two sides to a story you really do just need to disconnect from the source for a while and think on it over a pizza and glass of wine but there isn’t any other side of the story than guilty actions (including the swift resignation) so I’m hard-pressed to see what isn’t to believe about Ngozi’s account. But knowing L.T. he probably does actually know the truth deep-down.

joeysteele
01-12-2022, 06:59 PM
it's not hearsay, it's the account of one person in the conversation. You can choose to believe it or not, it's pretty irrelevant as the woman has resigned and apologised, making her 100% the guilty party

This,.
Absolutely spot on.

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 07:21 PM
Why would a charity-worker lie about something like this?

have you seen what Oxfam charity workers did in Haiti?

Active paedophiles working for Oxfam attacking orphans

:skull:

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 07:24 PM
it's not hearsay, it's the account of one person in the conversation. You can choose to believe it or not, it's pretty irrelevant as the woman has resigned and apologised, making her 100% the guilty party

that is naive BOTS

She did not resign she was thrown under a bus to stop a social media circle jerk
faux white under 25hard left outrage

i dont even think she was working, at 83 she was just there helping, god bless her

Redway
01-12-2022, 07:41 PM
have you seen what Oxfam charity workers did in Haiti?

Active paedophiles working for Oxfam attacking orphans

:skull:

And are we talking about Haiti (or even Oxfam) here?

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 07:41 PM
And are we talking about Haiti (or even Oxfam) here?

google it

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 07:53 PM
that is naive BOTSIn your opinion

She did not resign she was thrown under a bus to stop a social media circle jerk
faux white under 25hard left outrage:laugh: Bolded bit made me smile

She did resign so your theories are your own thoughts.

i dont even think she was working, at 83 she was just there helping, god bless herPoor love she didnt mean it.

Ngozi should have treated it as friendly banter, right?

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 08:13 PM
In your opinion

:laugh: Bolded bit made me smile

She did resign so your theories are your own thoughts.

Poor love she didnt mean it.

Ngozi should have treated it as friendly banter, right?

Not sure how this answers the posts you quoted but always nice to chat to you. :thumbs:

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 08:21 PM
Not sure how this answers the posts you quoted but always nice to chat to you. :thumbs:
Read it again. It does. :thumbs:

Just pointing out the typical response on here. Its all Ngozi's fault, right? Poor love didnt mean any harm, right?

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 08:29 PM
BDWB3_45yPg
:joker::joker:

You can always trust Farridge.

Oliver_W
01-12-2022, 08:35 PM
BDWB3_45yPg
:joker::joker:

You can always trust Farridge.

A healthy dose of cynicism is never a bad thing; my view of humanity in general is low enough that I wouldn't be surprised if she did plan this, or something like it. I don't think she did though, I think she's just being an opportunist.

Redway
01-12-2022, 09:27 PM
BDWB3_45yPg
:joker::joker:

You can always trust Farridge.

The idiot can’t even pronounce Ngozi.

Mystic Mock
01-12-2022, 09:32 PM
James was on about trying to steal some new fm's from folks leaving twitter. He should definitely post a link to this thread if he wants to show the new guys everything this site has to offer.

Tbf this thread is more interesting than anything Twitter has to offer.:joker:

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 09:38 PM
The idiot can’t even pronounce Ngozi.

unlike Girth who deliberately misspells Farage copying the LBC extreme left dj JOB?

who himself mocks people for cheap likes?

:skull:

Mystic Mock
01-12-2022, 09:38 PM
But a former close aide to the Queen told me: 'No question, Lady Susan has been thrown
under a bus and it is a massive overreaction.

'Where was anyone standing up saying, 'Wait a moment, this is a woman who has
travelled to every corner of the planet and met people from every ethnic background. Is it
really likely that she would be deliberately, provocatively racist?' I don't think so.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11487997/RICHARD-KAY-Lady-Susan-Hussey-mortified-causing-offence-remarks.html

Unless she's got away with being racist before?

Just to play devil's advocate.

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 09:47 PM
unlike Girth who deliberately misspells Farage copying the LBC extreme left dj JOB?

who himself mocks people for cheap likes?

:skull:Glad you noticed. :laugh:

Its petty but a level of disrespect for this clown that I'm comfortable with. You have to admit Fir- Rarge - doesn't sound very British. Farridge does.

I note from your earlier post regarding Ngozi's African dress that you understand this concept of 'British-ness'

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 09:51 PM
Glad you noticed. :laugh:

Its petty but a level of disrespect for this clown that I'm comfortable with. You have to admit Fir- Rarge - doesn't sound very British. Farridge does.

I note from your earlier post regarding Ngozi's African dress that you understand this concept of 'British-ness'

" You have to admit Fir- Rarge - doesn't sound very British."

you could not make this comment up in relation to this thread

talk about being hoisted by your own petard

:skull:

GiRTh
01-12-2022, 10:03 PM
" You have to admit Fir- Rarge - doesn't sound very British."

you could not make this comment up in relation to this thread

talk about being hoisted by your own petard

:skull:

What does her look/clothing say to you Mock

England?




You questions someone British-ness by their dress, I question Mr Farage's British-ness by his name. Each is ridiculous. I'm glad you see that. :thumbs:

Redway
01-12-2022, 10:05 PM
Unless she's got away with being racist before?

Just to play devil's advocate.

That’s not exactly a rare thing, to be fair, Mock. This might be the first time she’s been publicly checked over it but it’s definitely not going to be her first time being racist.

Cherie
01-12-2022, 10:10 PM
Has there been any comment from the two other women who were there?

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 10:29 PM
Has there been any comment from the two other women who were there?

surely they must have been?

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 10:30 PM
That’s not exactly a rare thing, to be fair, Mock. This might be the first time she’s been publicly checked over it but it’s definitely not going to be her first time being racist.

exactly being the non public figure and all

:skull:

Redway
01-12-2022, 10:45 PM
Has there been any comment from the two other women who were there?

https://youtu.be/S_pVUKwfix4

People on this thread (myself-included) would’ve probably been better-served starting with this video first. She says a lot.

Crimson Dynamo
01-12-2022, 10:49 PM
more one sided biased ramblings


there is a reason this evidence is ignored by every court in the land

but wot am saying is the troof

sure luv

Redway
01-12-2022, 10:55 PM
more one sided biased ramblings


there is a reason this evidence is ignored by every court in the land

but wot am saying is the troof

sure luv

You don’t need to mock what you perceive to be a typical black British accent when your grammar isn’t up to scratch at the best of times anyway.

Redway
01-12-2022, 10:57 PM
By the way, you couldn’t have possibly watched that whole 13-minute video in 3 or 4. It seems to me that you’ve already taken a singular side and won’t budge even for a free account of what happened that day (with at least two witnesses to boot going by that video).

Mystic Mock
02-12-2022, 03:40 AM
That’s not exactly a rare thing, to be fair, Mock. This might be the first time she’s been publicly checked over it but it’s definitely not going to be her first time being racist.

That's what I'm thinking.