Linekar is at it again. This time Nazis! - knuckles rapped now back!

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Match of the Day prompt reader called the new Illegal Migration Bill an
“immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people, in language
that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s”.


The plans, unveiled by Suella Braverman, the Home Secretary, on Tuesday,
effectively ban those arriving via an illegal route from claiming asylum in the
UK.

Anyone caught attempting to enter the country illegally will also be barred from
returning or from claiming British citizenship in the future.

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Mr Lineker's remarks were widely condemned by critics, who said they were
inappropriate for a BBC employee.

Robert Jenrick, the immigration minister whose wife and children are Jewish,
had condemned Mr Lineker's remarks earlier on Wednesday.

“My children are the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors and I think those
sorts of words should not be thrown around lightly,” he told Times Radio.

“Gary Lineker is paid for by the British taxpayer and it's disappointing that he
is so far out of step with the British public.”

In a separate interview on LBC, he suggested Mr Lineker should be sacked by
the BBC, demanding the presenter be shown a “red card”.

Ms Braverman echoed Mr Jenrick, calling Mr Lineker’s remarks
“irresponsible”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/08/suella-braverman-criticises-gary-lineker-bbc-pressure-nazi-jibe/

[Oliver_W]

Being compared to the Nazis is so overused that even when someone is espousing similar policies, the accusation no longer means anything.

I'm open to being proven wrong, but I can't think of any Nazi propaganda which talked about how their public services were stretched to breaking point, how they were overpopulated, and how the illegal migrants were costing them millions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Does anyone really expect Lineker to be sacked, any more than he was the last
time he let rip on Twitter? The BBC does not sack its Left-liberal minded
contributors, however outrageous their remarks on or off-screen. It didn’t
happen when newsreader Maxine Croxall pulled a gleeful face when reporting
Boris Johnson’s withdrawal from the most recent Tory leadership contest.
Croxall was “pulled off air” – but was back within a few weeks. It didn’t happen
either, when Jo Brand suggested that protesters who had been throwing milk
shake over politicians should use battery acid instead. The BBC complaints
department admitted that the comment had gone “too far”, but denied it
amounted to incitement, and the corporation continued to employ Jo Brand.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/08/bbc-wont-sack-gary-lineker-elites-agree/

[bots]

he won't be sacked but he should be given he was warned before. Impartial BBC at it's best

[Zizu]

Why do people like Lineker and Gary Neville insist on commenting on politics or subjects they are not qualified to speak on ?


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[arista]

Yes LT

Even the Labour Shadow
has said the BBC must stop him calling us Nazi's

[arista]

The BBC says he is sports presenter.


So What?

He Works at the BBC
and gets Evil Political talk going

[hijaxers]

The BBC says he is sports presenter.


So What?

He Works at the BBC
and gets Evil Political talk going

Well there was nothing sporting about his vile comments, does anyone even like him ?

[arista]

Why do people like Lineker and Gary Neville insist on commenting on politics or subjects they are not qualified to speak on ?



They do not follow them


I know about as it
as Every TV & Radio show today
is debating should Lineker be Fired?

[Tom4784]

It's important to point out when rhetoric starts to sound like nazism. It reminds me of both Putin and a commentator in the US recently. Putin blamed the war they started on Ukraine, while this commentator basically made out that the 'war against trans' was down to trans people themselves, and both of these statements echoed a statement made by the nazis that the jews were responsible for WW2.

The Right Wing is becoming more radicalised, and their rhetoric is becoming more comparable with nazism. If you have a problem with that being pointed out, and not the fact that such radicalisation is becoming common place, then you are part of the problem.

he won't be sacked but he should be given he was warned before. Impartial BBC at it's best

I mean, the BBC is right wing as **** so if you're acting like it is, then you're confusing right wing preference for impartiality.

[Liam-]

Look at all the free speech warriors wanting someone sacked and punished for having an opinion.

A person is allowed to post their opinions of the government on their own personal social media if they wish to, even if they work for a tv channel, we may be close to living in a government controlled dictatorship, but we’re not there yet, the government urging their bbc boss friend to have a word with a tv presenter for criticising them on his own time, away from his job, should terrify anyone who respects the law, freedom and democracy

[Tom4784]

Why do people like Lineker and Gary Neville insist on commenting on politics or subjects they are not qualified to speak on ?


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All people are qualified to speak on politics, if they weren't then Serious Debates would certainly be dead, because no regular here would be considered qualified either.

The problem lies with you and your desire to silence people from partaking in politics.

[bots]

They do not follow them


I know about as it
as Every TV & Radio show today
is debating should Lineker be Fired?

lineker has nearly 6 million followers, so they do follow him

[bots]

Look at all the free speech warriors wanting someone sacked and punished for having an opinion.

A person is allowed to post their opinions of the government on their own personal social media if they wish to, even if they work for a tv channel, we may be close to living in a government controlled dictatorship, but we’re not there yet, the government urging their bbc boss friend to have a word with a tv presenter for criticising them on his own time, away from his job, should terrify anyone who respects the law, freedom and democracy

he only has a voice because of the BBC and the BBC is supposed to be impartial. It is written into their contracts that it applies to all opinion they express on social media

[Tom4784]

Look at all the free speech warriors wanting someone sacked and punished for having an opinion.

A person is allowed to post their opinions of the government on their own personal social media if they wish to, even if they work for a tv channel, we may be close to living in a government controlled dictatorship, but we’re not there yet, the government urging their bbc boss friend to have a word with a tv presenter for criticising them on his own time, away from his job, should terrify anyone who respects the law, freedom and democracy

Freedom of speech for me, but not for thee, it's always been the case.

These people want to say what they want without consequence but god forbid anyone says anything that goes against their fragile little echo chamber.

[Tom4784]

he only has a voice because of the BBC and the BBC is supposed to be impartial. It is written into their contracts that it applies to all opinion they express on social media

Except it isn't impartial and it never has been. Question Time allows Right wing people to run wild while shutting down left wing points of view, Laura Kuensberg is soft on Tories and harsh to everyone else and the organisation as a whole seems to kowtow completely to the tories.

You want someone to face consequences for having an opinion that you don't like, and it's not an opinion that can inspire violence or hate. It's literally just pointing out the similarities in rhetoric.

You don't believe in impartiality, you want the BBC to continue being right-wing focused while punishing anyone who speaks against it.

[user104658]

I don't particularly have an issue with the comparison other than that it's lazy. It's also a pretty difficult and problematic stance to take when it comes to immigration, given that Israel itself has one of the strictest, worst and most exclusive/irrational immigration policies in the world ... if not in fact THE most. So it's a discussion best avoided for fear of falling into a dodgy trap on comparison of policies... to be blunt, if you take the Godwin stance on the current UK immigration policy, you rationally HAVE TO say the same thing about the Israeli policy, and then you're in 20 feet of hot water with no ladder.

I won't deny for a second though that the UK's immigration policy is short-sighted and fundamentally racist. Has there ever been anything quite so glaring as the UK government appealing for UK households to take in and sponsor Ukrainian families whilst sighing "oh well" when Syrian children wash up face down on our beaches?

And then all of those "well meaning" White British families finding out that Ukrainians are actually quite culturally different to British people and saying "'old on a minute guvna, these folks just LOOK like us, they ain't like us at all!!" and putting them out :idc:.

[Oliver_W]

[QUOTE=Soldier Boy;11268900]
I won't deny for a second though that the UK's immigration policy is short-sighted and fundamentally racist. L/QUOTE]

It's certainly an argument that can be made. Why people feel the need to compare everyone and everything they don't like to Nazis and Hitler is, as you say, lazy at best and stupid at worst.

[Tom4784]

I don't particularly have an issue with the comparison other than that it's lazy. It's also a pretty difficult and problematic stance to take when it comes to immigration, given that Israel itself has one of the strictest, worst and most exclusive/irrational immigration policies in the world ... if not in fact THE most. So it's a discussion best avoided for fear of falling into a dodgy trap on comparison of policies... to be blunt, if you take the Godwin stance on the current UK immigration policy, you rationally HAVE TO say the same thing about the Israeli policy, and then you're in 20 feet of hot water with no ladder.

I won't deny for a second though that the UK's immigration policy is short-sighted and fundamentally racist. Has there ever been anything quite so glaring as the UK government appealing for UK households to take in and sponsor Ukrainian families whilst sighing "oh well" when Syrian children wash up face down on our beaches?

And then all of those "well meaning" White British families finding out that Ukrainians are actually quite culturally different to British people and saying "'old on a minute guvna, these folks just LOOK like us, they ain't like us at all!!" and putting them out :idc:.

Well, Israel's governments and policies are not something to aspire to, and the various human rights abuses they've committed should be examined and spoken about.

If the UK's government is employing Nazi-esque rhetoric, then it should be spoken about and opposed, just like how Israel's policies and human rights abuse have been problematic too.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out when governments are slipping into fascism, and such behaviours should be encouraged.

[user104658]

It's certainly an argument that can be made. Why people feel the need to compare everyone and everything they don't like to Nazis and Hitler is, as you say, lazy at best and stupid at worst.

To be fair I would however also argue that Linekar is an ex-footballer who is not a footie commentator, and that it's fair and right for everyone to be allowed an opinion. We shouldn't particularly expect them to always be well developed or nuanced. Take them as they are, accept whatever merit might be there and disregard the rest. Not worth getting too hot 'n' bothered about.

[Tom4784]

[QUOTE=Soldier Boy;11268900]
I won't deny for a second though that the UK's immigration policy is short-sighted and fundamentally racist. L/QUOTE]

It's certainly an argument that can be made. Why people feel the need to compare everyone and everything they don't like to Nazis and Hitler is, as you say, lazy at best and stupid at worst.

Generally speaking, if someone is speaking in a way like the nazis did, then that should be enough for them to reflect on what they are saying.

Taking issue with the comparison itself and not the words that inspired it is the problem.

[Oliver_W]

To be fair I would however also argue that Linekar is an ex-footballer who is not a footie commentator, and that it's fair and right for everyone to be allowed an opinion. We shouldn't particularly expect them to always be well developed or nuanced. Take them as they are, accept whatever merit might be there and disregard the rest. Not worth getting too hot 'n' bothered about.
Agreed, I don't really care what Linekar says, nor do I think he should be fired. I just happen to think what he said was lazy and stupid :joker:


Generally speaking, if someone is speaking in a way like the nazis did, then that should be enough for them to reflect on what they are saying.

Who has been speaking in a way the Nazis did? Specifically?

[user104658]

Well, Israel's governments and policies are not something to aspire to, and the various human rights abuses they've committed should be examined and spoken about.

If the UK's government is employing Nazi-esque rhetoric, then it should be spoken about and opposed, just like how Israel's policies and human rights abuse have been problematic too.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out when governments are slipping into fascism, and such behaviours should be encouraged.

You have to pick your audience though, if you're with a group of people who have some knowledge and understanding of the propaganda used in 1930's then it's an interesting enough discussion (because of course, the scary truth is that the average German people who were lapping this up back then were NOT "evil Nazis"... they were just frustrated people who were taken in by a manipulative orator). BUT if you throw it around in normal discourse these days, it just makes it too easy for people to say "Pff yawn more Nazi comparisons" and disregard the actual comparisons without even giving it a second thought.

[Tom4784]

Agreed, I don't really care what Linekar says, nor do I think he should be fired. I just happen to think what he said was lazy and stupid :joker:

Who has been speaking in a way the Nazis did? Specifically?

Do keep up Oliver, or are you commenting on a thread about this issue when you don't even know what it's about?

If so, then it's not down to me to inform you, if you wish to remain uninformed and ignorant, that's your choice. Your ignorance has no impact the reality of things.

[Tom4784]

You have to pick your audience though, if you're with a group of people who have some knowledge and understanding of the propaganda used in 1930's then it's an interesting enough discussion (because of course, the scary truth is that the average German people who were lapping this up back then were NOT "evil Nazis"... they were just frustrated people who were taken in by a manipulative orator). BUT if you throw it around in normal discourse these days, it just makes it too easy for people to say "Pff yawn more Nazi comparisons" and disregard the actual comparisons without even giving it a second thought.

People choosing to be ignorant will be ignorant regardless. I'm not one to pander to them.

[Oliver_W]

Do keep up Oliver, or are you commenting on a thread about this issue when you don't even know what it's about?

If so, then it's not down to me to inform you, if you wish to remain uninformed and ignorant, that's your choice. Your ignorance has no impact the reality of things.

Were you using rhetoric, or do you really think someone in our government was speaking in a way like the Nazis did?

[user104658]

Who has been speaking in a way the Nazis did? Specifically?

When people say 1930's they usually mean early 1930's, which was really ... err... Nazi foreplay. There was a drip-feeding of blame culture and nudging of mindsets that took place as a warm-up act for full-blown Naziism.

To be fair though the comparison isn't exactly right - the Nazis were secular, I reckon it's evangelical fascism we have incoming. Just as bad and twice as creepy.

[Oliver_W]

When people say 1930's they usually mean early 1930's, which was really ... err... Nazi foreplay. There was a drip-feeding of blame culture and nudging of mindsets that took place as a warm-up act for full-blown Naziism.

To be fair though the comparison isn't exactly right - the Nazis were secular, I reckon it's evangelical fascism we have incoming. Just as bad and twice as creepy.
So instead of Hitler we have Franco coming?

[arista]

lineker has nearly 6 million followers, so they do follow him

Of course
those that watch his show

[Gusto Brunt]

Funny how the Left have to go to extremes and lies to try to win the argument.

How about coming up with a plan, Gary, instead of saying Sunak is the new Hitler.

Crazy, crazy. And very stupid.

[Oliver_W]

How about coming up with a plan, Gary, instead of saying Sunak is the new Hitler.



Nope, he doesn't need to come up with a plan. He can criticise all he wants without needing to say anything. And anyone can criticise his words without providing alternatives.

And then anyone can call any of the above stupid :joker:

[Gusto Brunt]

Nope, he doesn't need to come up with a plan. He can criticise all he wants without needing to say anything. And anyone can criticise his words without providing alternatives.

And then anyone can call any of the above stupid :joker:

I'd larf if the BBC sacked him. :joker: But I don't think they'd have the balls. No pun intended. ;)

[Oliver_W]

I'd larf if the BBC sacked him. :joker: But I don't think they'd have the balls. No pun intended. ;)

I don't want anyone sacked for their views, unless they directly call for violence. I want Linekar to speak more, so we know exactly what he meant.

[GoldHeart]

Funny how the Left have to go to extremes and lies to try to win the argument.

How about coming up with a plan, Gary, instead of saying Sunak is the new Hitler.

Crazy, crazy. And very stupid.

This is the problem,I can see why people would criticise Sunak. And Starmer is loving this ...but if Starmer was in power how would he come up with a solution.

[Alf]

Look at all the free speech warriors wanting someone sacked and punished for having an opinion.

A person is allowed to post their opinions of the government on their own personal social media if they wish to, even if they work for a tv channel, we may be close to living in a government controlled dictatorship, but we’re not there yet, the government urging their bbc boss friend to have a word with a tv presenter for criticising them on his own time, away from his job, should terrify anyone who respects the law, freedom and democracyTo be fair, as TV licence payers, we're paying for his obscene salary to present sport, not going around calling us "Nazis" He's obviously in the wrong Job. He needs to concentrate on the job we pay him for.

[Kazanne]

Why do people like Lineker and Gary Neville insist on commenting on politics or subjects they are not qualified to speak on ?


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I agreeZizu, he needs to stay with what hes good at,what was that again ? lol.

[Alf]

To be fair I would however also argue that Linekar is an ex-footballer who is not a footie commentator, and that it's fair and right for everyone to be allowed an opinion. We shouldn't particularly expect them to always be well developed or nuanced. Take them as they are, accept whatever merit might be there and disregard the rest. Not worth getting too hot 'n' bothered about.He can have an opinion. But he needs to find a different career path if that's what he wants to do, nobody is stopping him from doing that. Going around insulting the people that are paying the company he works for isn't a professional move, I'd say it's a sacking offence.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He just is coming off like a middle aged blue and pink haired lefty at a demo with a pre printed socialist worker plaque saying all refugees welcome

I don't really think he is very bright

[user104658]

He can have an opinion. But he needs to find a different career path if that's what he wants to do, nobody is stopping him from doing that. Going around insulting the people that are paying the company he works for isn't a professional move, I'd say it's a sacking offence.

I'm an advocate of scrapping the TV license completely so that's sort of a moot point for me. It shouldn't exist - a concept that should have been ditched long ago.

[joeysteele]

This situation where it's like the BBC own who is on it is rather unnerving.

I find Lineker annoying even presenting Match of the Day.
However had he said this ON the programme or on the BBC.
Then the criticism would be justified.

I find his view over the top on the German inclusion section, however the comments of scaremongering and wild figure chanting of Braverman are in my view far worse.
Her view seems greatly unsavoury to me and concerning.

He shouldn't be sacked.
Maybe ITV could buy up Match of the Day from the BBC.
Then like people such as Clarkson , Lineker could say what he liked and even possibly get applauded for it.
No matter how bad the content.

[bots]

there have been loads of tv presenters, radio presenters, college lecturers etc etc etc that have lost their jobs because of what they said on twitter, the bbc is not unique

[joeysteele]

there have been loads of tv presenters, radio presenters, college lecturers etc etc etc that have lost their jobs because of what they said on twitter, the bbc is not unique

Who did for a political comment?

Lineker is also a voter.
He has every right to comment on those elected to parliament and on policies as any other voter.
If he did this on a programme on the BBC fair enough.

He is outspoken.
I don't care for Lineker but I don't really see the fuss about this.
Calling out loads of deceivers and even at times blatant liars regardless of political persuasion should be a service, not stifled.
Because more don't speak out, that's in part where power mad politicians get away with near anything.

[UserSince2005]

Yeah but in 1930s Germany what were the Jews actually doing that was so bad?

[bots]

irrespective, Lineker has now said he wont be shut up, the only people that can remove him from twitter is twitter, and he will continue to speak out. Also, he is not a BBC employee, he is a freelancer, so we will see how it ends up, but my view is that he will be taken off the BBC. Quite frankly, i wont be watching any more shows he is on. He may not have made the comments on air at the bbc, but everyone knows his attitude now, and it is my freedom to not put up with it

[Tom4784]

Funny how the Left have to go to extremes and lies to try to win the argument.

How about coming up with a plan, Gary, instead of saying Sunak is the new Hitler.

Crazy, crazy. And very stupid.

Pointing out nazi-esque rhetoric is not extreme, I'd say that murder and terrorism is pretty extreme but the extreme elements of your side of the aisle have got that covered.

The whole 'Don't criticise the government unless you're in charge of the government' logic is so ****ing sad and bootlicker-y. Anyone can criticise the government, and they should. If you don't like that, I'd recommend moving to North Korea, you'd probably like it there but for the rest of us sane people, we will criticise the government whenever we please, because it's our right to do so.

He can have an opinion. But he needs to find a different career path if that's what he wants to do, nobody is stopping him from doing that. Going around insulting the people that are paying the company he works for isn't a professional move, I'd say it's a sacking offence.

'You can have an opinion but you can't have a certain job because I say so, because I hate people having freedom of speech unless they're saying something I agree with.'


I agreeZizu, he needs to stay with what hes good at,what was that again ? lol.

Another person who hates freedom of speech.

To be fair, as TV licence payers, we're paying for his obscene salary to present sport, not going around calling us "Nazis" He's obviously in the wrong Job. He needs to concentrate on the job we pay him for.

You don't pay him ****. Such an entitled attitude and one that is completely wrong.

there have been loads of tv presenters, radio presenters, college lecturers etc etc etc that have lost their jobs because of what they said on twitter, the bbc is not unique

Except those people you're speaking about have lost their jobs for bigotry and discrimination. You want Gary Linekar fired because he has an opinion on the government that upsets you. Let's just skip to the part where you just admit you hate freedom of speech.

irrespective, Lineker has now said he wont be shut up, the only people that can remove him from twitter is twitter, and he will continue to speak out. Also, he is not a BBC employee, he is a freelancer, so we will see how it ends up, but my view is that he will be taken off the BBC. Quite frankly, i wont be watching any more shows he is on. He may not have made the comments on air at the bbc, but everyone knows his attitude now, and it is my freedom to not put up with it

What an absolute load of bull****.

You are happy with the BBC basically being a right wing mouthpiece but you are putting on the amateur dramatics pretending this is about impartiality when the BBC isn't impartial in the first place, it's just partial to your opinions and you don't like opinions that run contrary to that.

Just another person doing mental gymnastics to try to justify that they hate freedom of speech.

[Liam-]

Sounds very snowflakey to me, but you do you, if you need a safe space away from being triggered by people who don’t like the actions of the government then that’s your right, I just hope to not see you criticise other people in the future for practicing the same liberties

[Mystic Mock]

While I do agree that his remarks were OTT, I do also think that there should be certain scenarios where we do help out Illegal Immigrants.

[Mystic Mock]

Does anyone really expect Lineker to be sacked, any more than he was the last
time he let rip on Twitter? The BBC does not sack its Left-liberal minded
contributors, however outrageous their remarks on or off-screen. It didn’t
happen when newsreader Maxine Croxall pulled a gleeful face when reporting
Boris Johnson’s withdrawal from the most recent Tory leadership contest.
Croxall was “pulled off air” – but was back within a few weeks. It didn’t happen
either, when Jo Brand suggested that protesters who had been throwing milk
shake over politicians should use battery acid instead. The BBC complaints
department admitted that the comment had gone “too far”, but denied it
amounted to incitement, and the corporation continued to employ Jo Brand.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/08/bbc-wont-sack-gary-lineker-elites-agree/

Did Jo Brand ever apologize over that psychotic comment?

[Tom4784]

Sounds very snowflakey to me, but you do you, if you need a safe space away from being triggered by people who don’t like the actions of the government then that’s your right, I just hope to not see you criticise other people in the future for practicing the same liberties

BOTS needs an echo chamber to function and that's perfectly valid.

[Mystic Mock]

Look at all the free speech warriors wanting someone sacked and punished for having an opinion.

A person is allowed to post their opinions of the government on their own personal social media if they wish to, even if they work for a tv channel, we may be close to living in a government controlled dictatorship, but we’re not there yet, the government urging their bbc boss friend to have a word with a tv presenter for criticising them on his own time, away from his job, should terrify anyone who respects the law, freedom and democracy

I agree with this.

He should be entitled to his view, regardless of what anyone else thinks.

[Mystic Mock]

he only has a voice because of the BBC and the BBC is supposed to be impartial. It is written into their contracts that it applies to all opinion they express on social media

Isn't that a bit odd that the BBC won't let their workers express their own opinions in the contract?

[joeysteele]

While I do agree that his remarks were OTT, I do also think that there should be certain scenarios where we do help out Illegal Immigrants.

I agree.

This lot have had power now around 13 years.
Remember Cameron in 2010 stating he intended to bring in a cap on immigration.

How many PMs, have there been since him.
Nothing done.

It's a really difficult issue and one that needs respect for others lives and compassion.
Not the rhetoric of Braverman who is now it seems saying she didn't see or read that message that went out in HER name.
Lord above and that waste of space is the Home secretary.

She shouldn't have ANY power over anyone elses lives and not those in a possibly desperate situation.
She's a hard-line heartless lover of power only.

I doubt anyone would not agree that the boats need to be stopped..
However not really going for the criminals who organise those boats while criminalising the refugees/immigrants for being manipulated by them.
Well that's a disgrace in any shape or form.

Until I heard Bravernan this morning I was willing to see how this went.
However her spiteful, hard-line crazy figures scaremongering has convinced me this is just to create more division and prejudice, AND further fuel the hate and prejudice that already exists.

Lineker maybe has a kind of valid point he's trying to make in fact.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Isn't that a bit odd that the BBC won't let their workers express their own opinions in the contract?

do you think if you worked for google and did that, you would survive?

[Mystic Mock]

I don't want anyone sacked for their views, unless they directly call for violence. I want Linekar to speak more, so we know exactly what he meant.

This.

It's a scary world where you can be sacked for saying an unpopular opinion.

[joeysteele]

Isn't that a bit odd that the BBC won't let their workers express their own opinions in the contract?

He didn't express it on the BBC though.

He's a voter and taxpayer like multi millions of others and has as much right as any other voter or taxpayer to either praise or condemn government policies.
IN his OWN free time.

[user104658]

Isn't that a bit odd that the BBC won't let their workers express their own opinions in the contract?

It's not that unusual to be fair, I'd have to have some awkward conversations at my work if I went on an overly-political rant on Social Media and I'm obviously not anyone high profile or with a following. There's an expectation of professionalism and level-headedness though.

That's why I come on here and barf it all out anonymously :joker:

[Mystic Mock]

I agree.

This lot have had power now around 13 years.
Remember Cameron in 2010 stating he intended to bring in a cap on immigration.

How many PMs, have there been since him.
Nothing done.

It's a really difficult issue and one that needs respect for others lives and compassion.
Not the rhetoric of Braverman who is now it seems saying she didn't see or read that message that went out in HER name.
Lord above and that waste of space is the Home secretary.

She shouldn't have ANY power over anyone elses lives and not those in a possibly desperate situation.
She's a hard-line heartless lover of power only.

I doubt anyone would not agree that the boats need to be stopped..
However not really going for the criminals who organise those boats while criminalising the refugees/immigrants for being manipulated by them.
Well that's a disgrace in any shape or form.

Until I heard Bravernan this morning I was willing to see how this went.
However her spiteful, hard-line crazy figures scaremongering has convinced me this is just to create more division and prejudice, AND further fuel the hate and prejudice that already exists.

Lineker maybe has a kind of valid point he's trying to make in fact.

I agree with you on Braverman.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Only if you were a police could you rant off racism and sexism and rapism on social media and not expect any come back

stands to reason

[Mystic Mock]

do you think if you worked for google and did that, you would survive?

I'm just saying that companies shouldn't be controlling how their employees express themselves.

[Mystic Mock]

He didn't express it on the BBC though.

He's a voter and taxpayer like multi millions of others and has as much right as any other voter or taxpayer to either praise or condemn government policies.
IN his OWN free time.

I agree with you Joey.

[Mystic Mock]

It's not that unusual to be fair, I'd have to have some awkward conversations at my work if I went on an overly-political rant on Social Media and I'm obviously not anyone high profile or with a following. There's an expectation of professionalism and level-headedness though.

That's why I come on here and barf it all out anonymously :joker:

I just feel that people should be allowed to express their opinions on the Government.

We're not China... Yet.

[Alf]

Anyway, enough of big lugs hogging the headlines.

What's happening with the Covid fallout? They know how to make the Matt Hancock stuff play second fiddle in no time, don't they.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lineker was paid to tweet that to shift the looking eyes away.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just feel that people should be allowed to express their opinions on the Government.

We're not China... Yet.

They can as long s they do not have influential jobs at the BBC

its not hard to work that out?

[Mystic Mock]

They can as long s they do not have influential jobs at the BBC

its not hard to work that out?

The BBC isn't special, they should be accepting of people having their opinions.

[joeysteele]

I just feel that people should be allowed to express their opinions on the Government.

We're not China... Yet.

Plus he's only a sports presenter.

He's not involved in serious programmes or any political programming..
Or even news programming either.

[The Slim Reaper]

More woke cancel culture on tibb. I will refuse to watch country file until the crisp man is sacked.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The BBC isn't special, they should be accepting of people having their opinions.

No Mock they are special they are a license fee public broadcaster

THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT

[Oliver_W]

More woke cancel culture on tibb. I will refuse to watch country file until the crisp man is sacked.

Welcome back Slimbo :love:

[joeysteele]

The BBC isn't special, they should be accepting of people having their opinions.

I think the BBC lost any moral high ground following the Saville revelations and crimes.

[The Slim Reaper]

If anyone wants to ask my honest opinion on Israel, I've supplied it multiple times over the years. Now the reality of that heinous state is finally coming to light, I'm happy to express it again for the people at the back.

[Oliver_W]

If anyone wants to ask my honest opinion on Israel, I've supplied it multiple times over the years, but now the reality of that heinous state is finally coming to light, I'm happy to express it again for the people at the back.

Now who's a Nazi :fist:

[The Slim Reaper]

Now who's a Nazi :fist:

Israeli's :smug:

[Oliver_W]

Israeli's :smug:

:laugh:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Alf]

More woke cancel culture on tibb. I will refuse to watch country file until the crisp man is sacked.Old jug luggs. Wasn't a fan of your fella. He used his huge platform to turn his followers against Jezza.

You owe Lineker no favours. He'd stab you in the back without a seconds thought.




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[The Slim Reaper]

Old jug luggs. Wasn't a fan of your fella. He used his huge platform to turn his followers against Jezza.

You owe Lineker no favours. He'd stab you in the back without a seconds thought.




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I agree completely - he's a centrist dweeb, but even a stopped clock and all that. It's hilarious for me to see everyone (including the labour front bench tory tribute act), all lose their minds because someone actually spoke the truth to the establishment, and even the fact he's as establishment as them, hasn't stopped the pile on.

[Alf]

I agree completely - he's a centrist dweeb, but even a stopped clock and all that. It's hilarious for me to see everyone (including the labour front bench tory tribute act), all lose their minds because someone actually spoke the truth to the establishment, and even the fact he's as establishment as them, hasn't stopped the pile on.Well he's not really speaking the truth though is he?

This government has overseen the biggest intake of migrants into our country. Housed them, fed them and paid them. How is that anything like Nazi Germany?

[bots]

I agree completely - he's a centrist dweeb, but even a stopped clock and all that. It's hilarious for me to see everyone (including the labour front bench tory tribute act), all lose their minds because someone actually spoke the truth to the establishment, and even the fact he's as establishment as them, hasn't stopped the pile on.

Have you visited Kent recently Slim? Maybe if you lived here like I do, you would understand the impact these illegal immigrants are having on the local community here. So, no, its not the blinking truth that Gary talks, not even close

[Tom4784]

Have you visited Kent recently Slim? Maybe if you lived here like I do, you would understand the impact these illegal immigrants are having on the local community here. So, no, its not the blinking truth that Gary talks, not even close

White people feeling threatened because there's more brown people in their white majority town than there was before. Kent literally is 89% percent white British.

It's just more gullible people with prejudices all too gladly believing that those below them are the threat while those above prey on their stupidity and naivete.

[arista]

Jewish groups
want Gary to say Sorry,

Saying Nazi's (Because he stated the 1930's)
has upset so many more


Great Live Debate on Radio 5 now

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Are the BBC going to look into laura kuenssberg and fiona bruce as well then? Cant have it both ways!

[arista]

Are the BBC going to look into laura kuenssberg and fiona bruce as well then? Cant have it both ways!



No
this is about Gary
Referring to the most horrid time in the World
in the 1930's under Nazi Germany.



Jewish groups have rights

[joeysteele]

Jewish groups
want Gary to say Sorry,

Saying Nazi's (Because he stated the 1930's)
has upset so many more


Great Live Debate on Radio 5 now

Except he DIDN'T actually use the word in his tweet.

I have to now say I'm now on the platform of there is a very concerning attitude from Braverman and this government on what has always been a contentious issue.

To say anyone who is manipulated by criminals, who comes to the UK in boats..
Are now going to be criminalised too, PLUS barred from ever seeking asylum in the UK in their lives.
That they'll be held for around 28 days then forcibly shipped off to somewhere else, like the gross Rwanda, or even somewhere else even this rotten government hasn't set up yet.

That sounds extremely sinister and very worrying rhetoric indeed.

In my view, economic migrants, refugees and others seeking asylum for other reasons.
The rights and wrongs have to be established and processed more rapidly.
However those people are living human beings, with hearts and feelings, lives and families.

They shouldn't be treated like parcels or like waste to be dumped anywhere because this government and some of the population in this Country just don't want anything to do with them.

As for capping numbers.
That's shown to be impossible really unless the UK cuts itself off from the rest of the World.
What if more Ukraine conflicts set up.
What do you do with a cap then.
Ridiculous.

The government are expecting court and legal battles because they already KNOW this policy is wrong.
So they are on the deceit line again to the Country.
Since they've no other answers to this issue because we fail to properly get other Nations on board, because of a lack of compassion, understanding and sensitive planning on the immigration issue.

It's actually shameful.
Then allowing the extreme hard-line Bravernan to spout out her venomous prejudice and deceitful scaremongering in the high office of Home Secretary is an absolute scandal in my view.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

No
this is about Gary
Referring to the most horrid time in the World
in the 1930's under Nazi Germany.



Jewish groups have rights

But he didn't say anything about Jewish people.

He rightly called the tories using language similar to Nazis... which they are along with being lying corrupt *****. The tories dont like it, yet are okay for the two people mention to defend them all the time and be biased on their shows. So if they want Gary sacked for being biased, why are they not asking for the two ladies to be sacked for being biased arselickers to the tories?

[joeysteele]

But he didn't say anything about Jewish people.

He rightly called the tories using language similar to Nazis... which they are along with being lying corrupt *****. The tories dont like it, yet are okay for the two people mention to defend them all the time and be biased on their shows. So if they want Gary sacked for being biased, why are they not asking for the two ladies to be sacked for being biased arselickers to the tories?


There's 3 of them.
They get away with their bias endlessly on the BBC.

Kuenssberg, Coburn and Bruce.

[arista]

But he didn't say anything about Jewish people.

He rightly called the tories using language similar to Nazis... which they are along with being lying corrupt *****. The tories dont like it, yet are okay for the two people mention to defend them all the time and be biased on their shows. So if they want Gary sacked for being biased, why are they not asking for the two ladies to be sacked for being biased arselickers to the tories?



That is not the Point

The Jewish were murdered in 1930's


He should not have said the 1930's
Jewish people alive today do not think
the UK is like the Nazi Era

[user104658]

White people feeling threatened because there's more brown people in their white majority town than there was before. Kent literally is 89% percent white British.

It's just more gullible people with prejudices all too gladly believing that those below them are the threat while those above prey on their stupidity and naivete.

The issue obviously will be poverty and ghettoisation amongst immigrant communities which does have an effect on local communities, especially small communities, but of course there are answers to that in encouraging better integration of asylum seekers into communities, it doesn't have to be "just don't let anyone in" ... but the government will never enact/fund anything like that.

It is somewhat unfair to put on rose-tinted glasses and pretend that there aren't negative impacts on small communities when the demographic dramatically changes with poor levels of integration.

[arista]

It was brought up in Parliament

Gary should not use the 1930's

[user104658]

It was brought up in Parliament

Gary should not use the 1930's

Honestly, the government having a debate about a football chump Godwinning on social media. What a ****ing waste of time :joker:. Can they get back to talking about fuel bills and fixing Brexit yet?

[Liam-]

There’s a very simple remedy to not have your speech compared to the nazis, just don’t talk like them, it’s not that hard

[user104658]

There’s a very simple remedy to not have your speech compared to the nazis, just don’t talk like them, it’s not that hard

But would you say the same to the hardline LGBTQ activists who advocate for compelled speech? Because that too has a fair whiff of fascism about it. Or the ones picketing Universities to try to stop studies that have already gone through high-level ethics committees because they're worried they won't like what the research shows... that's happening an awful lot, too.

[joeysteele]

Honestly, the government having a debate about a football chump Godwinning on social media. What a ****ing waste of time :joker:. Can they get back to talking about fuel bills and fixing Brexit yet?

Well said.

They don't want to talk about those real serious issues SB.
They'll look for any way to avoid addressing the dismal failures on those things.

[user104658]

Well said.

They don't want to talk about those real serious issues SB.
They'll look for any way to avoid addressing the dismal failures on those things.

Indeed Joey...

"OK so will we talk about the cost of living crisis today..."
*silence....*
"Unless someone can think of something else...?"
*....mumbling, silence....*
"A... anyone?"
"...We could talk about Gary Linekar?"
"GARY LINEKAR thank god yes! Good shout, good shout, whew!"

[bots]

i want lineker off my screen and the sooner the government act, the better. I will accept a £100 rise in my bill .... just for that ..... hmmm

[arista]

Honestly, the government having a debate about a football chump Godwinning on social media. What a ****ing waste of time :joker:. Can they get back to talking about fuel bills and fixing Brexit yet?


Yes Jewish MP's
will Fight to get him Sacked

[arista]

There’s a very simple remedy to not have your speech compared to the nazis, just don’t talk like them, it’s not that hard


No Liam
you are not having that,



The Nazi's put loads of people in a room
to get a Shower,
but it was a Gas (Zyklon B)
that came in that sealed room,
they all died.


Bloody Hell, Liam
we are nothing like that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B

[arista]

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[Livia]

It demonstrates beautifully how little Lineker knows about 1930s Germany.

[arista]

It demonstrates beautifully how little Lineker knows about 1930s Germany.


Great Point

[Liam-]

If the BBC (Tory) fat cats are angry about Gary’s comments away from his job for being ‘bias’ I can only assume they’re seething about the blatant bias on bbc programmes from the likes of Fiona Bruce and Laura K

[Livia]

Tory fat-cats at the BBC? LOL..... right.

[arista]

If the BBC (Tory) fat cats are angry about Gary’s comments away from his job for being ‘bias’ I can only assume they’re seething about the blatant bias on bbc programmes from the likes of Fiona Bruce and Laura K


Again Liam

This is more serious
we are not Nazi's.


As a BBC Worker
I pay his wages

[Oliver_W]

If the BBC (Tory) fat cats are angry about Gary’s comments away from his job for being ‘bias’ I can only assume they’re seething about the blatant bias on bbc programmes from the likes of Fiona Bruce and Laura K

Tory fat-cats at the BBC? LOL..... right.

If "both sides" are accusing the BBC of bias, they must be doing something right :laugh:

[Tom4784]

It was brought up in Parliament

Gary should not use the 1930's

What a pathetic government and a complete trampling of freedom of speech. This is a country of bootlickers that kowtow to power at every given opportunity.

[Liam-]

The whinging right wingers in this world adore the concept of free speech when it involves protecting them and their views and their right to express those views freely and openly, yet they routinely rally against free speech for those that they disagree with and those that criticise them and their ideals, everybody knows this, if Linekar had come out and said he agreed with Rishi and Braverman, this debate wouldn’t be happening and the Tory run bbc wouldn’t be under pressure to fire him for his opinion from the same people that have been pushing this whole idea of cancel culture and the right wing being punished for having different views, it’s a grift from top to bottom and it’s not to be taken seriously

[Tom4784]

It demonstrates beautifully how little Lineker knows about 1930s Germany.

More accurately, it demonstrates how the right wing will throw up jewish people as a shield and act like any condemnation of their actions is an attack on them when it's far from it.


dfym2A2o12w

This is a video of a holocaust survivor confronting Suella Braverman on the use of her language and how it was similar to that of the Nazis. Does she not know anything about what she's talking about either? How are you going to make out that she's talking ****, I wonder?

The tories are constantly using language in much the same way that the nazis did, deny it all you want, use the deaths of millions of people as a shield to protect your precious tories, but in the end, the rhetoric is scarily similar and we should be highlighting and condemning such rhetoric since we've all seen where it leads in the end. To defend it by making out that the comparison is somehow an attack on jewish people is quite reprehensible.

[arista]

What a pathetic government and a complete trampling of freedom of speech. This is a country of bootlickers that kowtow to power at every given opportunity.


A clip was on BBCnewsHD
By the Correct MP

Lucy Frazer KC MP
Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport


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She said the BBC will deal with this,

[arista]

More accurately, it demonstrates how the right wing will throw up jewish people as a shield and act like any condemnation of their actions is an attack on them when it's far from it.


dfym2A2o12w

This is a video of a holocaust survivor confronting Suella Braverman on the use of her language and how it was similar to that of the Nazis. Does she not know anything about what she's talking about either? How are you going to make out that she's talking ****, I wonder?

The tories are constantly using language in much the same way that the nazis did, deny it all you want, use the deaths of millions of people as a shield to protect your precious tories, but in the end, the rhetoric is scarily similar and we should be highlighting and condemning such rhetoric since we've all seen where it leads in the end. To defend it by making out that the comparison is somehow an attack on jewish people is quite reprehensible.


Yes of course that Lady was upset.

[bots]

Nobody is saying lineker can't speak, they are saying he cant make political comments while being a freelancer at the bbc. It's a big difference.

[Tom4784]

Nobody is saying lineker can't speak, they are saying he cant make political comments while being a freelancer at the bbc. It's a big difference.

Except you basically want him to lose his job because he said something you didn't like and it disrupted the right wing echo chamber that the BBC has become.

You want him to face consequences for an opinion that falls entirely under freedom of speech because you don't like what he said. You continue to oppose freedom of speech while pretending you aren't.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Right Wingers are just ****ing babies. They've never had to struggle, they've played life on easy mode and they act like the most minor of inconveniences is oppression. Boomers and Gen X basically got everything handed to them on a silver platter and they squandered it all, and are leaving the world in a much worse state out of spite and incompetence.

Right Wingers are spoiled brats that have never known actual struggle so they invent things and slights to be mad about. Pathetic people.

:joker:

i wondered when it would all be about "old people"

[Livia]

:joker:

i wondered when it would all be about "old people"

Although Dezzy must be getting up there now...

[Cherie]

:joker:

i wondered when it would all be about "old people"

struggle ....:laugh:

[Cherie]

Although Dezzy must be getting up there now...

the clock sure hasn't stopped for him

[Oliver_W]

Nobody is saying lineker can't speak, they are saying he cant make political comments while being a freelancer at the bbc. It's a big difference.

Wasn't it in his own time? Being a freelancer shouldn't mean he should even keep his tweets BBC-friendly.

[bots]

Wasn't it in his own time? Being a freelancer shouldn't mean he should even keep his tweets BBC-friendly.

it's up to the bbc, if they think he is having a bad influence on the bbc brand which is supposed to mean impartiality, they can get rid of him.

[Tom4784]

:joker:

i wondered when it would all be about "old people"

Although Dezzy must be getting up there now...

the clock sure hasn't stopped for him

You three are so fragile.

Facts hurt, your generation sent the world into a nosedive, cry about it.

[Tom4784]

it's up to the bbc, if they think he is having a bad influence on the bbc brand which is supposed to mean impartiality, they can get rid of him.

Impartiality doesn't exist in the BBC. You continue to confuse right wing bias for impartiality.

[GoldHeart]

BBC is biased, but at the end of the day Linekar isn't poor . He'll probably get booked by ITV or another channel.

[arista]

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[GiRTh]

If the BBC (Tory) fat cats are angry about Gary’s comments away from his job for being ‘bias’ I can only assume they’re seething about the blatant bias on bbc programmes from the likes of Fiona Bruce and Laura KI agree with this. Especially Fiona Bruce. She makes QT unwatchable.

Lineker said it on Twitter and he is entitled to his opinion. If he'd said this on MOTD then that is another matter.

Didn't Gary Neville have a pop at the government while on air? That's not acceptable. He's not there for his political views. The thing that people are getting their knickers in a twist is the Nazi comparison.

[Alf]

I agree, Let Lineker have his say. And if he has his opinion on Twitter then that should be OK.

But if Katie Hopkins has her opinion on Twitter then she should be silenced and banned, have her house taken away, fined, threatened and the authorities should think about taking her kids from her. We should have different rules for different people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

One would hope that if say Alan Shearer had tweeted "Great to see the UK Government get tough with illegals. Its time to stop the boats and clear out the hotels and start deporting illegals"

The same people would be supportive of his rights?

that would happen right?

[Alf]

One would hope that if say Alan Shearer had tweeted "Great to see the UK Government get tough with illegals. Its time to stop the boats and clear out the hotels and start deporting illegals"

The same people would be supportive of his rights?

that would happen right?He would have already been fired. He would have also probably been forced to publicly apologise. The tabloids would have printed lots of front page dirt on him for a week or two.

He'd then have to go to GB news to find employment.

And rightly so, he shouldn't be allowed to have the same privilege as Lineker if he thinks diffentley. We can only have one way of thinking if we're gonna reach the dream.

[Gusto Brunt]

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I always thought he looked a bit strange, too. Yet some women thought he was very good looking. His brother looks weird too.:hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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I always thought he looked a bit strange, too. Yet some women thought he was very good looking. His brother looks weird too.:hehe:

that was when he was a black man

:flutter:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[The Slim Reaper]

Everyone so defensive, because supporting the targeting of minorities is ok, but admitting it in public still seems to hold some shame for folks. Weird one to understand. Folks should be proud of what they believe. Stand ten toes down, chest out and back yourselves.

Germany in the 30's was a weird place where anything that strayed from government propaganda or was subversive in any way was banned, and if people don't have the right to speak out against their government - which is the most basic of rights in any free and democratic society, then we're edging a lot closer to the mid to late 30's Germany.

They get you piece by piece; remove a freedom of protest here, blame minorities there, and pretty soon we edge a little bit closer, and each time it picks up a little more support, because when it's blasted into your eyes and ears everyday by a "free" press that acts as a mouthpiece for the government, then we're exactly where I said we were heading a while back.

They never stop with attacking migrants. they're just a shiny object to keep you entertained whilst your freedoms, rights, and living standards are stripped away to the point where the country and it's political parties now agree that anything better is radical, subversive, and unattainable.

[Beso]

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I always thought he looked a bit strange, too. Yet some women thought he was very good looking. His brother looks weird too.:hehe:



Poor blokes always wanted to be able to wear short hair all his life. Now that hes began wearing its hes become bitter within himself, and is projecting that upon others.

[Beso]

Everyone so defensive, because supporting the targeting of minorities is ok, but admitting it in public still seems to hold some shame for folks. Weird one to understand. Folks should be proud of what they believe. Stand ten toes down, chest out and back yourselves.

Germany in the 30's was a weird place where anything that strayed from government propaganda or was subversive in any way was banned, and if people don't have the right to speak out against their government - which is the most basic of rights in any free and democratic society, then we're edging a lot closer to the mid to late 30's Germany.

They get you piece by piece; remove a freedom of protest here, blame minorities there, and pretty soon we edge a little bit closer, and each time it picks up a little more support, because when it's blasted into your eyes and ears everyday by a "free" press that acts as a mouthpiece for the government, then we're exactly where I said we were heading a while back.

They never stop with attacking migrants. they're just a shiny object to keep you entertained whilst your freedoms, rights, and living standards are stripped away to the point where the country and it's political parties now agree that anything better is radical, subversive, and unattainable.



Oh I just dont say certain things on the illegal immigration subject because standing up for that view gets you reported and banned on TIBB.

You should here me in the work van though..oh my goodness. I shock myself sometimes.:joker:

[The Slim Reaper]

Oh I just dont say certain things on the illegal immigration subject because standing up for that view gets you reported and banned on TIBB.

You should here me in the work van though..oh my goodness. I shock myself sometimes.:joker:

No way does slamming any minority on tibb get you infracted or banned these days, unless you're using certain words or directing it at other members.

[Alf]

No way does slamming any minority on tibb get you infracted or banned these days, unless you're using certain words or directing it at other members.We're global now, which makes White people the minority.

Do you see all the other countries in the World that protect their borders as horrible people or just British, Americans and Europeans?

Do you put, say, the South Koreans, just to name one of many countries that like their borders protected, in the same horrible bracket as you do the countries you attack the most (UK, US, Europe)? The countries that actually have been diversified because of their tolerance.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No way does slamming any minority on tibb get you infracted or banned these days, unless you're using certain words or directing it at other members.

illegals are criminals not a minority


:facepalm:

wont someone think of the map?"

f me

[The Slim Reaper]

We're global now, which makes White people the minority.

Do you see all the other countries in the World that protect their borders as horrible people or just British, Americans and Europeans?

Do you put, say, the South Koreans, just to name one of many countries that like their borders protected, in the same horrible bracket as you do the countries you attack the most (UK, US, Europe)? The countries that actually have been diversified because of their tolerance.

Our borders are protected. This is another manufactured crisis. the government destroyed the safe and legal routes, then went down this extremely dark path. For the next 5 years I have to live on this sh1tty island, so my criticisms are about what is happening here. But dig up other threads, and no doubt you will see me criticising other countries, too.

[The Slim Reaper]

illegals are criminals not a minority


:facepalm:

wont someone think of the map?"

f me

Put whatever this is supposed to be into a couple of sentences, and I'll read it.

[Alf]

Our borders are protected. This is another manufactured crisis. the government destroyed the safe and legal routes, then went down this extremely dark path. For the next 5 years I have to live on this sh1tty island, so my criticisms are about what is happening here. But dig up other threads, and no doubt you will see me criticising other countries, too.If our borders are protected then why have hundreds of thousands landed on our shores, most in dinghys, over the past couple of years? And why are my taxes paying for them to live their lives while my bills are through the roof that I have to budget every penny to make ends meet? Do I deserve this? What have I done wrong?

[The Slim Reaper]

If our borders are protected then why have hundreds of thousands landed on our shores, most in dinghys, over the past couple of years? And why are my taxes paying for them to live their lives while my bills are through the roof that I have to budget every penny to make ends meet? Do I deserve this?

This is a good post that I'd like to reply to, but I'm logging off now. I apologise I did the same last night in this same thread, but you have my word I will reply to this tomorrow evening at some point. Take it easy, brother.

[Alf]

This is a good post that I'd like to reply to, but I'm logging off now. I apologise I did the same last night in this same thread, but you have my word I will reply to this tomorrow evening at some point. Take it easy, brother.That's OK, I'd prefer you think about it before answering. Goodnight brother.

[arista]

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[Alf]

Matt Le Tissier is an ex footballer that expresses political opinions on twitter. He also worked in the same field as Lineker, football punditry. He was at Sky sports.

Le Tissier doesn't work in that field no longer. He was shown the door during the Black Lives Matter international riots. He wouldn't get on his knees, so he had to go. He was punished because he put principal before a pay check, that's just the man he is, he did that throughout his playing days too when he stayed loyal to the club that gave him his opportunity. He has my respect for that.

[Mystic Mock]

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Why should he apologize though? It's his opinion and he has the right to express it, just like these people have the right to disagree with his opinion.

When did common sense start to die?

[Alf]

Why should he apologize though? It's his opinion and he has the right to express it, just like these people have the right to disagree with his opinion.

When did common sense start to die?This is the consequences of not standing up for others when they came for others and cancelled them.

The precedent has been set.

First they came for Tommy Robinson and we said nothing

Then they came for Katie Hopkins and we said nothing

Then they came for Matt Le Tissier and we said nothing

Now they come for Gary Lineker.

Next they come for us and there's nobody left to fight for us.

We were warned that this was gonna happen. It was all good when they cancelled people we disagreed with but now the reality of tyranny is hitting home.

[Tom4784]

Andrew Neil showed little impartiality in his views when he was with the BBC, but I don't see any right wing pearl clutchers have fainting spells about him.

This story just proves to show how whipped and trash this country has become.

[Mystic Mock]

This is the consequences of not standing up for others when they came for others and cancelled them.

The precedent has been set.

First they came for Tommy Robinson and we said nothing

Then they came for Katie Hopkins and we said nothing

Then they came for Matt Le Tissier and we said nothing

Now they come for Gary Lineker.

Next they come for us and there's nobody left to fight for us.

We were warned that this was gonna happen. It was all good when they cancelled people we disagreed with but now the reality of tyranny is hitting home.

Didn't Katie Hopkins get cancelled for slanderous comments about someone tbf?

But I've always been a champion of freedom of speech, as long as you're not threatening to harm people or incite other people to do harm.

[Zizu]

Didn't Katie Hopkins get cancelled for slanderous comments about someone tbf?

But I've always been a champion of freedom of speech, as long as you're not threatening to harm people or incite other people to do harm.


Yeah and Andy Gray the football pundit hasn’t been since he said something naughty


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[arista]

1634134775161036800

[joeysteele]

I guess the government attacking Lineker, helps detract from the deceitful figures that vile Braverman used to scaremonger and fuel more hate and divisive attitude against those Human beings who are migrants.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/kateosbornemp/status/1634098332309004288?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

The right wing wingers want Gay sacked for having a personal opinion away from his job, but I’m sure they’ll be ecstatic with wife of Tory donor Fiona Bruce defending the ex-prime ministers fathers abuse towards his wife, not bias here at all, nope, none whatsoever, definitely not

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/kateosbornemp/status/1634098332309004288?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

The right wing wingers want Gay sacked for having a personal opinion away from his job, but I’m sure they’ll be ecstatic with wife of Tory donor Fiona Bruce defending the ex-prime ministers fathers abuse towards his wife, not bias here at all, nope, none whatsoever, definitely not

In which part of the video did she defend his actions?

[joeysteele]

In which part of the video did she defend his actions?

Bruce did come across as to more playing it down and didn't seem happy it had even been brought up.

She often does that and really her input often spoils the continuity of this programme now.

[Oliver_W]

Bruce did come across as to more playing it down and didn't seem happy it had even been brought up.

She often does that and really her input often spoils the continuity of this programme now.

tbh if she'd have let the "wife beater" remark go unclarified she could also have been accused of bias.

[joeysteele]

tbh if she'd have let the "wife beater" remark go unclarified she could also have been accused of bias.

Well not really.
The question was about Johnson putting his Father forward for a Knighthood.

So the discussion of was that right and should his Father have one should open up to both why he could and why he shouldn't.

I think assaulting a spouse is a valid criticism to raise on that issue.

Maybe the BBC then shouldn't have allowed the question at all but they did.
The questions are selected before the programne is recorded after all.

[Oliver_W]

Well not really.
The question was about Johnson putting his Father forward for a Knighthood.

So the discussion of was that right and should his Father have one should open up to both why he could and why he shouldn't.

I think assaulting a spouse is a valid criticism to raise on that issue.

Maybe the BBC then shouldn't have allowed the question at all but they did.
The questions are selected before the programne is recorded after all.

I'm the last person who'd downplay spousal abuse, I know what it can do a woman (and her offspring) ... but it's still such a big accusation it needs presenting clearly.

By mentioning that his friends said it was a "one-off" does seem like minimizing, I won't deny. But it's still part of the story.

[joeysteele]

I'm the last person who'd downplay spousal abuse, I know what it can do a woman (and her offspring) ... but it's still such a big accusation it needs presenting clearly.

By mentioning that his friends said it was a "one-off" does seem like minimizing, I won't deny. But it's still part of the story.

She was minimizing it definitely.
There's not really an excuse for that since it is known it happened as she confirmed from contacts of him.
One off or not, it should be concerning that he could be even considered for a Knighthood.

[user104658]

I think the complicating factor is that she hasn't spoken about it herself, it's only come via others who know them, and thus if they're seen to be reporting it as factual but they both deny it, it could be a bit of a minefield legally. They do have to be clear that it came from friends. I'm not sure why she had to add the "and it was a one off" part - who cares if it was once? Once is too many.

Of course he shouldn't be up for it if there's even a whiff of something like this around him. That said... it didn't stop them knighting Sean Connery and he was proudly announcing it.

[bots]

Gary Lineker is to step back from presenting Match of the Day until an agreement is reached on his social media use - BBC statement.

It follows an impartiality row over comments he made criticising the government's new asylum policy.

[Liam-]

The Tory henchmen placed at the top of the BBC doing their masters bidding, shameful

[arista]

Gary Lineker is to step back from presenting Match of the Day until an agreement is reached on his social media use - BBC statement.

It follows an impartiality row over comments he made criticising the government's new asylum policy.



[Keir Starmer defends Gary Lineker's
'right' to make 'Nazi' jibe as Labour leader
claims ministers want 'other people
to blame' over Channel migrant
crisis - after Match of the Day host
branded 'desperate' attention seeker
by Foreign Secretary]


Starmer backing the loser

[bots]

it's right and proper, he thought he could do or say anything with impunity, stating he would be presenting the show as usual ---- no you are not

[arista]

The Tory henchmen placed at the top of the BBC doing their masters bidding, shameful


No,
BBC does not want to upset Jewish Charities

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gary Lineker is to step back from presenting Match of the Day until an agreement is reached on his social media use - BBC statement.

It follows an impartiality row over comments he made criticising the government's new asylum policy.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/1l307VjEIRFp2t4eJB/giphy.gif

[bots]

i'm surprised we aren't building a channel wall, just off the coast of Calais :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

i'm surprised we aren't building a channel wall, just off the coast of Calais :laugh:
Make the French pay for it :laugh:
Gary Lineker is to step back from presenting Match of the Day until an agreement is reached on his social media use - BBC statement.

It follows an impartiality row over comments he made criticising the government's new asylum policy.

Oh for gods' sake. His social media drivellings have nothing to do with his presenting.

[Liam-]

‘The government are acting and talking like fascists’
‘No we’re not, stop saying that!!!’
*gets their friends and donors to punish a freelancer for having a negative opinion about their government*

[Beso]

Meanwhile, an Iraqi immigrant who came over on a dingy stabbed an 18byr old student in broad daylight because he wanted to be sent back to iraq.

6 years he got.

[arista]

i'm surprised we aren't building a channel wall, just off the coast of Calais :laugh:

We are paying for a New Detention Centre there.

[Tom4784]

Also the BBC are cutting an episode of a David Attenborough series because it deals with ecological themes that upset right wingers.

Why are right wingers such complete snowflakes?

[arista]

‘The government are acting and talking like fascists’
‘No we’re not, stop saying that!!!’
*gets their friends and donors to punish a freelancer for having a negative opinion about their government*


No Liam,
you read too much into,
a few words

[Beso]

Also the BBC are cutting an episode of a David Attenborough series because it deals with ecological themes that upset right wingers.

Why are right wingers such complete snowflakes?

Is that the new series wild isles, that's airing next sunday?

[Crimson Dynamo]

bye Gary

[bots]

he can easily go to one of 100 other sports channels where he can present and tweet what he wants. The difference being, they are not impartial public broadcasters funded by licence payers

[arista]

bye Gary


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[arista]

The Home Secretary
has a Jewish Husband.

[Liam-]

How wonderful to now have evidence that people who preach about free speech only really care for it when it’s used in their favour, this sets a very dangerous precedent

[Cherie]

The BBC picks and chooses its impartiality though, they didn't show the opening ceremony of the WC and we were treated to a diatribe from some of the presenters who took money from the Qataris to present on their channels

If the UK actually created safe legal routes for migrants we might not have as many boats, instead they like to keep throwing money at the French to solve the problem

[arista]

How wonderful to now have evidence that people who preach about free speech only really care for it when it’s used in their favour, this sets a very dangerous precedent


Bollocks

[bots]

How wonderful to now have evidence that people who preach about free speech only really care for it when it’s used in their favour, this sets a very dangerous precedent

his free speech isn't affected, he can say whatever he likes, he just cant expect to work for an impartial broadcaster. The choice is his

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/ayocaesar/status/1634233104981213189?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Liam-]

Bollocks

The government forcing their friends at the bbc to punish a tv presenter for being critical of them, away from his job, very much sets a dangerous precedent

[arista]

The BBC picks and chooses its impartiality though, they didn't show the opening ceremony of the WC and we were treated to a diatribe from some of the presenters who took money from the Qataris to present on their channels

If the UK actually created safe legal routes for migrants we might not have as many boats, instead they like to keep throwing money at the French to solve the problem



Look this New Big Detention Centre
we are paying for,
being built in France
is a great help.

[arista]

The government forcing their friends at the bbc to punish a tv presenter for being critical of them, away from his job, very much sets a dangerous precedent


No Liam

The BBC is a Big Ship
afloat
They have their own control

[Beso]

he can easily go to one of 100 other sports channels where he can present and tweet what he wants. The difference being, they are not impartial public broadcasters funded by licence payers

He will do GB news if the price is right.

[Cherie]

Has Gary been sacked? omg

[GoldHeart]

Yeah I will say there is a bit of hypocrisy whether people agree with Linekar or not. Either they're all allowed to comment on politics or they're not allowed to ?. Why is it ok for some and not others?.

[arista]

Has Gary been sacked? omg


Not Yet


He is sent home

[bots]

Has Gary been sacked? omg

not sacked, he will just not present the show anymore until he agrees not to make political tweets :laugh:

[Alf]

You can understand why he thinks that immigration is low though. Just check out the demographics of where he lives in Barnes, South London. He must think to himself, "what's everyone else talking about? all I see is rich White people"

[Liam-]

Yeah I will say there is a bit of hypocrisy whether people agree with Linekar or not. Either they're all allowed to comment on politics or they're not allowed to ?. Why is it ok for some and not others?.

You know why, the bbc has been packed full of Tory friends, donors and previous candidates, right wingers can say whatever they want on air at the bbc, it’s their playground.

This has got nothing to do with impartiality, it’s about someone openly criticising the government, ironically proving his point by acting like fascists

[Beso]

Has Gary been sacked? omg

He can go back to the Qatari owned al Jazeera and get 1.6 million again for presenting their champions league show.

[GiRTh]

‘The government are acting and talking like fascists’
‘No we’re not, stop saying that!!!’
*gets their friends and donors to punish a freelancer for having a negative opinion about their government*:clap1:

[Alf]

You know why, the bbc has been packed full of Tory friends, donors and previous candidates, right wingers can say whatever they want on air at the bbc, it’s their playground.

This has got nothing to do with impartiality, it’s about someone openly criticising the government, ironically proving his point by acting like fascistsSo much so that they had to start up GB news just so they can have their opinion.

[Nicky91]

he's like thinking almost as if no one can replace him like he is some sort of god :laugh: anyone can be replaced, even you, overpaid idiot

[Crimson Dynamo]

He scored an own goal and got sent off

https://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/amen.png

[Beso]

So much so that they had to start up GB news just so they can have their opinion.

:huh:

[Liam-]

:clap1:

You can guarantee that is he had agreed and tweeted ‘stop the boats’ the same people saying he should be sacked and the government would be calling him brave, there’d be clips all over right wing loser twitter hailing him a hero

[Beso]

A sensible hero.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/Outspok03350812/status/1634238635963826177?s=20

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1634244681767833600?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Legend

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/InvictaRegina/status/1634243685998051360?s=20

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/Outspok03350812/status/1634238635963826177?s=20

Omg :laugh:

[arista]

Pathetic Aliaster Campbell
going on all the news channels


BBCnewsHD now

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/10/16/68559983-0-image-m-24_1678467339893.jpg


Nice warm smile
Home Secretary

[bots]

i can't stand ian wright, this is turning into a beautiful day :laugh:

Also, ian wright is on at least half a dozen other soccer channels that i know of, so it's no great shake to him

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/politlcsuk/status/1634244681767833600?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Legend

Good for him, it's ridiculous that Linni faced such consequences.

[bots]

The all new Alan Shearer Show incoming :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wright also gone

what a day to be alive

:hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Super Ally Pundit of the year to step in?

[Alf]

I'd love to be in Ian Wright's position to be able to just turn down well paid work of sitting in a chair talking about football. Now that's privilege.

[arista]

Pathetic Aliaster Campbell
going on all the news channels


BBCnewsHD now


Now LIVE
Ch5HDnews


SkyNewsHD next



He is sticking UP for Gary

Broadcasting from his North London home

[Alf]

Jeremy Clarkson to replace Gary Lineker

[arista]

Jeremy Clarkson to replace Gary Lineker

No way

[Swan]

The same guy who was happy enough to present the world cup in Qatar a few months ago. Paid handsomely, with luxury accommodation and all that. If he truly wanted to make a stand about human rights, he'd have refused that highly paid gig/luxury holiday. Still, he's just another celeb full of self righteous crap with no real clue or sense of every day reality.

[joeysteele]

Absolutely ridiculous.
The BBC are a disgrace not anything to look up to.

[Alf]

We want Matt Le Tissier and Peter Shilton.

Make Match of the day great again

[Alf]

No wayDon't worry, that won't happen, he got cancelled too, but that one we agreed with.

[bots]

Alex Scott must be hot favourite to take over :smug:

[Alf]

Alex Scott must be hot favourite to take over :smug:Bring back Lineker, all is forgiven.

[GoldHeart]

The same guy who was happy enough to present the world cup in Qatar a few months ago. Paid handsomely, with luxury accommodation and all that. If he truly wanted to make a stand about human rights, he'd have refused that highly paid gig/luxury holiday. Still, he's just another celeb full of self righteous crap with no real clue or sense of every day reality.

But Linekar wasn't the only big celebrity to promote Qatar World Cup , so I see what you're saying ..but he wasn't alone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Alex Scott must be hot favourite to take over :smug:

https://gifdb.com/images/file/spaceballs-barf-look-sideways-annoyed-aqa131i5cq0tph7u.gif

[GiRTh]

You can guarantee that is he had agreed and tweeted ‘stop the boats’ the same people saying he should be sacked and the government would be calling him brave, there’d be clips all over right wing loser twitter hailing him a heroHe should leave, but due to the money he's on, he probably wont. For all those cheering at the prospect of Lineker leaving assure you he wont be short of offers. Regardless of what some may think of him, he's a good presenter and he has played the game at the very highest level. There are not many of those in the sports presenting world.

Hasnt Lineker actually taken in migrants and given them a home. Of all people, he's got more right to talk on subject than most people

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1634189209790447617?s=20

[GiRTh]

Leaving ITV did wonders for Piers Morgan, I suggest Gary Lineker do the same and get paid even more away from the BBC.

The BBC confirming they're pussies.

[Liam-]

Nah, I don’t think they’re pussies, this is what the bbc plants have been out there to do

[joeysteele]

Nice warm smile
Home Secretary

She's the real disgrace.
Horrible heartless politician.

[Zizu]

No Lineker … no Ian Wright who is standing down in support of Lineker .. Shearer will presumably follow Wright’s lead so I’m thinking only one person is fame hungry and vacuous enough to take the reign


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[Zizu]

Alex Scott must be hot favourite to take over :smug:


Awww you beat me to it …


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[Alf]

Shearer is out


1634261207354843143

[bots]

I am available :cheer2:

[arista]

Now LIVE
Ch5HDnews


SkyNewsHD next



He is sticking UP for Gary

Broadcasting from his North London home


now live skynews

[joeysteele]

Shearer is out


1634261207354843143

Good on Alan here and Ian Wright.

I hope others follow against this pathetic dictatorial BBC.
Which has been so full of rotten corruption itself over the decades.

Plus the same as to this whining government too.
That thinks it should never get any criticism.

[bots]

the BBC are about to sort out their money problems overnight

[Zizu]

Gary Neville has jumped into support Lineker..

I love Gary Neville as a soccer pundit but his endless digs at the Conservative party are mind-numbingly tedious


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[arista]

No Ian Wright


He will not be on the show, now

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/alexscott/status/1634264832852500488?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Queen!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Get the dinosaurs out of MOTD

:clap1:

Needs to now be on at 7pm, shorter show to finally embrace the fact YOUtube superseded them 2 years ago

[Cherie]

I am available :cheer2:

we are here for BOTS presenting in in underpants

[James]

Just show the games. No pundits. I guarantee people will like it better.

[Zizu]

I’d like to see Andy Gray back on our screens !!!

Along with Lee Sharpe !!

Fabulous partnership

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[Alf]

Alex Scott has apparently tweeted that she's out.

I haven't seen that but just heard.

[bots]

what this has done is flush out all the far left from the BBC, it's a stonking move

[Zizu]

Alex Scott has apparently tweeted that she's out.

I haven't seen that but just heard.


Can’t even find her current Twitter or Instagram accounts


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[Alf]

I think it's orchestrated bollox. This is how they control the news cycle when they want other things buried.

[GiRTh]

Gabby Logan, Chappers, Jenas - The cupboards are bare as to who will take over

[arista]

I pay for the BBC


I agree with his suspension.

[Zizu]

So why on Earth is Lineker a free-lance employee anyways ??


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[arista]

So why on Earth is Lineker a free-lance employee anyways ??




Saving on his Tax

[bots]

So why on Earth is Lineker a free-lance employee anyways ??


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he works for multiple sports channels

[Crimson Dynamo]

just keep women presenters away, please