The war on transgender

[user104658]

To add; I also think it's getting worse and in 10 years you'll be able to see this a lot more clearly. Scary times.

[Alf]

Again again, if someone burned or ripped up a bible in the middle of a heavily Christian school in a heavily Christian state, I think it's highly likely that them and their family would be forced to relocate for their safety.

Y'all are underestimating the depth of Christian fervor in parts of the US.Nah, they'd just pray for them. Christians are all about forgiveness.

[GoldHeart]

I genuinely think you'd see similar scenes in bible-belt USA if someone defiled or burned a bible.

I'm not saying you're wrong about there being a discrepancy in the UK, but I think there's an idea that the US in this sense is socially similar to the UK when it really isn't. The coastal states and cities, yes. The heavy red southern states and bible belt no. They are VERY seriously Christian. We don't see anything like it in the UK other than a few very small communities that tend to keep themselves to themselves.

Oh I'm not denying the heavy southern republican Christians , but the only violence re: anything remotely Christian I remember hearing recently is about an ex JW destroying their worship place or something. But JW are not Christians anyway .

[user104658]

Nah, they'd just pray for them. Christians are all about forgiveness.

And Islam is "the religion of peace".

They're just words Alf.

[GoldHeart]

And Islam is "the religion of peace".

They're just words Alf.

Tbf some actually practice what they preach ,but it's the loud hypocrites who just pretend.

[Alf]

And Islam is "the religion of peace".

They're just words Alf.Look, this Christian is asking the Lord to forgive them. That's their shtick.



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[Cherie]

Frankly I don't think that's true, Islam is mentioned plenty in the public sphere and has been mentioned on here plenty (I would hazard, more than Christianity) over the years.

The reason Christiantiy is CURRENTLY mentioned a lot is that Christianity in the west has until recently been a very measured/moderate religion but there are recently quite clear signs of a resurgence of strong evangelical / fundamentalist Christian views and organisations.

We ignore them at our peril... fundementalist christianity is ****ing scary.

I'd also point out that at the end of the day, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic religions. Different flavours of the same crisps.

It might have been mentioned here plenty but its soon shut down with taunts of Islamaphobe, meanwhile mean Christians and its priests ...chuckle chuckle

[GoldHeart]

Look, this Christian is asking the Lord to forgive them. That's their shtick.



1585197661543858179

Try burning the Qur'an and see what happens ,doubt they'd still be alive to see another day.

[Oliver_W]

Tbf some actually practice what they preach ,but it's the loud hypocrites who just pretend.

Pretend what? Their actions don't go against Muhammed or his teachings.

[GoldHeart]

Pretend what? Their actions don't go against Muhammed or his teachings.

No I'm talking about the ones who believe what they believe but they don't condemn people.

And by pretend ,I'm talking they preach peace and love but then want violence.

[Alf]

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[arista]

For Alf

G5ykpBEy95I

[user104658]

Know what rly sux?

Increasingly in this "war", it's becoming apparent that the "sides" are;

1) People who want free reign access for male-bodied people in women's spaces and who won't acknowledge the significant mental health aspect often present in transgenderism.

2) Thick-as-mince bible thumpers.


Surely on THIS occasion, it's OK to be a hardline "both-and-neither-sides" centrist? Please? Please don't make me choose from an assortment of dystopian nightmares :bawling:.

[thesheriff443]

Know what rly sux?

Increasingly in this "war", it's becoming apparent that the "sides" are;

1) People who want free reign access for male-bodied people in women's spaces and who won't acknowledge the significant mental health aspect often present in transgenderism.

2) Thick-as-mince bible thumpers.


Surely on THIS occasion, it's OK to be a hardline "both-and-neither-sides" centrist? Please? Please don't make me choose from an assortment of dystopian nightmares :bawling:.

What group are you in?

[user104658]

What group are you in?

Neither, that's my point. I don't believe that male-bodied people should be in women's spaces and I think the risks are very real.

Unlike God and the Baby Jesus who are imaginary fairytales.

I actively despise organised religion but at this point the entire debate has been hijacked by the god squad who are ALSO just as dangerous.

[Niamh.]

Neither, that's my point. I don't believe that male-bodied people should be in women's spaces and I think the risks are very real.

Unlike God and the Baby Jesus who are imaginary fairytales.

I actively despise organised religion but at this point the entire debate has been hijacked by the god squad who are ALSO just as dangerous.

:laugh:

I'm on this side too, there aren't just two

[Crimson Dynamo]

Woman sexually abused by her father discovers they will be released
from jail identifying as a woman

Woman sexually abused by her father discovers they will be released from jail
identifying as a woman - using transgender 'legal loophole' that could see child
sex attackers cover up their past by adopting new gender identity

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/25/17/70219719-0-image-a-3_1682441579375.jpg

A young woman who was sexually abused as a child by her father was
appalled to discover the attacker is due to be released after barely seven
years in jail.

And she was astonished to hear that her father was now identifying as a
woman and using the name Claire Fox.

Ceri-Lee Galvin, 24, was abused for nine years from the age of eight by Clive
Bundy. Bundy was jailed for 15 years in 2016 but is now due for parole.


She has bravely chosen to waive her anonymity as a sexual abuse victim to
raise awareness of a 'legal loophole' that potentially allows sex attackers like
her father to cover up their past by adopting a new gender identity.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12012541/Woman-sexually-abused-father-discovers-released-jail-identifying-woman.html

this message brought to you by the war on "trans people"

:skull:

[Cherie]

mind blowing

[Mystic Mock]

Woman sexually abused by her father discovers they will be released
from jail identifying as a woman

Woman sexually abused by her father discovers they will be released from jail
identifying as a woman - using transgender 'legal loophole' that could see child
sex attackers cover up their past by adopting new gender identity

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/25/17/70219719-0-image-a-3_1682441579375.jpg

A young woman who was sexually abused as a child by her father was
appalled to discover the attacker is due to be released after barely seven
years in jail.

And she was astonished to hear that her father was now identifying as a
woman and using the name Claire Fox.

Ceri-Lee Galvin, 24, was abused for nine years from the age of eight by Clive
Bundy. Bundy was jailed for 15 years in 2016 but is now due for parole.


She has bravely chosen to waive her anonymity as a sexual abuse victim to
raise awareness of a 'legal loophole' that potentially allows sex attackers like
her father to cover up their past by adopting a new gender identity.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12012541/Woman-sexually-abused-father-discovers-released-jail-identifying-woman.html

this message brought to you by the war on "trans people"

:skull:

Man or woman, that sick incestuous **** needs to stay in Prison.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Man or woman, that sick incestuous **** needs to stay in Prison.

he is a man

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/esqueer_/status/1651280034118922240?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Welcome to the new normal, open calls for the public execution of trans people and their allies and people still pretend it’s all about bathrooms and sports

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/esqueer_/status/1651280034118922240?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Welcome to the new normal, open calls for the public execution of trans people and their allies and people still pretend it’s all about bathrooms and sports

but that is just a basic strawman argument

A 6 foot 4 man should not compete in women's swimming

"BUT I HAVE FOUND ONE Crazy TWITTER USED WHO IS CRAZY SO THAT INVALIDATES YOUR CONCERN"

Im afraid Liam life is a little more complex than that..

[Glenn.]

but that is just a basic strawman argument

A 6 foot 4 man should not compete in women's swimming

"BUT I HAVE FOUND ONE Crazy TWITTER USED WHO IS CRAZY SO THAT INVALIDATES YOUR CONCERN"

Im afraid Liam life is a little more complex than that..

Says Mr Woke thread

[Mystic Mock]

he is a man

And I'm saying I don't really care about the gender of the person in this case.

Keep them locked up.

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/esqueer_/status/1651280034118922240?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Welcome to the new normal, open calls for the public execution of trans people and their allies and people still pretend it’s all about bathrooms and sports

Tbf for some people it is about the Sports & Bathrooms.

Admittedly though the people making these execution Tweets should be looked at by The Police, the way that they are speaking about this so casually should be alarming to anybody imo.

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/esqueer_/status/1651280034118922240?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Welcome to the new normal, open calls for the public execution of trans people and their allies and people still pretend it’s all about bathrooms and sports

I have no sympathy for psychos on twitter calling for blood.

Sometimes it really is about the rights of women and girls, and nothing to do with agreeing with terminally online weirdos.

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/esqueer_/status/1651280034118922240?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Welcome to the new normal, open calls for the public execution of trans people and their allies and people still pretend it’s all about bathrooms and sports

So you care about this but you dont care about people openly holding up placards on the street calling for death to anyone who raises an issue?


both are extremist views

and you stood silent while women are being punched in the face, and have to be removed from rallies for their own safety.....nothing to see here at all Liam right?

[user104658]

https://twitter.com/esqueer_/status/1651280034118922240?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Welcome to the new normal, open calls for the public execution of trans people and their allies and people still pretend it’s all about bathrooms and sports

Thank goodness there weren't thousands of trans rights activists threatening to rape and murder JK Rowling or set her house on fire for writing an article or anything like that. :umm2: "Punch a TERF day" was another fun twitter fad I believe.

Not that I'm excusing any joking about or threatening violence from either "side". It just comes off a bit hollow when you ignored volleys of the same from those you happen to support. In fact, if I remember rightly, there were members on here actively cheering it on. I'm not sure if you were one of them, to be fair. Some of your allies certainly were, though.

[Nicky91]

we don't need to rape or murder JK Rowling, cancelling the career of that loser bitch is more than enough

[Oliver_W]

we don't need to rape or murder JK Rowling, cancelling the career of that loser bitch is more than enough

Nope, don't need to do that either, as she hasn't said or done anything wrong.

[Nicky91]

Nope, don't need to do that either, as she hasn't said or done anything wrong.

ur cancelled either Oliver ok


whose next

[user104658]

we don't need to rape or murder JK Rowling, cancelling the career of that loser bitch is more than enough

The attempt at "cancelling" Hogwarts Legacy gave it a 256% jump in sales over what was projected. I don't think she's at any risk of having her career cancelled.

And quit it with the casual violent misogyny Nicky, you've been told about it enough and "apologised" countless times only to continue doing it.

[Nicky91]

just don't be transphobic JK, and i have no problems with you


but if ur transphobic, i feel no sympathies whatsoever for you ;)

[Mystic Mock]

Thank goodness there weren't thousands of trans rights activists threatening to rape and murder JK Rowling or set her house on fire for writing an article or anything like that. :umm2: "Punch a TERF day" was another fun twitter fad I believe.

Not that I'm excusing any joking about or threatening violence from either "side". It just comes off a bit hollow when you ignored volleys of the same from those you happen to support. In fact, if I remember rightly, there were members on here actively cheering it on. I'm not sure if you were one of them, to be fair. Some of your allies certainly were, though.

I remember the one psycho that was holding a banner saying that they wanted to "behead a TERF" which again is so alarming at how people just casually say/write these things and they're above the age of 14.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I remember the one psycho that was holding a banner saying that they wanted to "behead a TERF" which again is so alarming at how people just casually say/write these things and they're above the age of 14.

that was in Scotland and although we could see his full face he was never arrested or charged

[Niamh.]

we don't need to rape or murder JK Rowling, cancelling the career of that loser bitch is more than enough

cancelling her career? :laugh2: That worked out well when she's just had a best selling game after that flop attempt to boycott and a brand new Harry Potter Series in the works where she will be heavily involved

[GoldHeart]

just don't be transphobic JK, and i have no problems with you


but if ur transphobic, i feel no sympathies whatsoever for you ;)

Nicky if there was a rise In trans men abusing male spaces and taking advantage of gender identity and laughing in the faces of men whilst projecting such self entitled behaviour. I doubt you'd be throwing around the word " transphobic".... especially if you were stared at . What if you went to a male toilet and a woman as clear as anything walked into the bathroom and expected you to accept her as a man just because she said so ? ,as anyone can identify as anything now.

I know It's not the same anyway...as trans men statistically are less likely to harm biological men. But women can still make men feel uncomfortable. And if you had a sudden rise in predatory biological women invading these places saying " oh it's ok I'm a man " ,anytime men were in locker rooms naked or any other male only spaces.... Would you be ok with it ? . And I'm talking pre- op full feminine woman who hasn't even bothered to blend in as a man.

[jet]

Speaking of JK Rowling, I admire how she totally refuses to be cowed by baying mobs wanting her silenced on an issue she feels strongly about…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12016029/JK-Rowling-slams-Eurovision-act-band-cut-ties-member-called-trans-robber-man.html

'Preening, self-satisfied misogyny': JK Rowling slams Ireland's Eurovision act Wild Youth after the band 'cut all ties' with their creative director who called a knife-wielding transgender robber a man

JK Rowling has slammed Ireland's Eurovision entry after the group 'cut all ties' with a creative director who called a knife-wielding transgender robber a man.
Wild Youth said they had parted ways with creative director Ian Banham out of 'unity and kindness' after he referred to a trans attacker and convicted rapist as a man.
Zara Jade, 54, was jailed for nine years for stabbing and robbing a vulnerable victim and tying her to a chair before taking her card and withdrawing £300 from an ATM.
Ms Rowling condemned the band's move on Twitter and criticised a BBC article on Jade's arrest with the headline 'Woman jailed after stabbing and tying up victim.'
She said: 'The re-traumatisation of female rape survivors, including this man's victims, on seeing him called a woman by the press counts for nothing, naturally.
'The so-called kindness and inclusivity of Wild Youth is preening, self-satisfied misogyny.'
Mr Banham responded to a tweet critcising the BBC coverage of Jade, saying: 'It's a MAN! This clown world is ridiculous...'
Wild Youth lead singer Conor O'Donohoe had previously apologised to fans over Mr Banham's posts after the band said it had 'cut all ties' with the creative director.
Mr O'Donohoe said: 'First off I want to apologise with my whole heart to anyone who has been hurt or even had to read such horrible tweets.
'He goes against everything I stand for, his tweets make me feel sick reading them.
'Writing this song and writing these lyrics was writing about what I believe in. Acceptance Unity and kindness. Ian will have nothing to do with Wild Youth on our Eurovision journey.
'Again from the bottom of my heart. I'm sorry to anybody who had to read these tweets and was effected [sic] by them. '
In March, Jade admitted wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, robbery, fraud and false imprisonment and was jailed for nine years with an extended licence period of three years.
The victim was strapped to an electrically powered chair by her ankles, knees, chest and arms, before she was tilted back, and the power was switched off.
Bradford Crown Court previously heard how her victim remained fixed in place for a few hours at their shared flat in Halifax while Jade used her card to withdraw £300 before later untying her.
The attacker was also convicted of rape in 1998 when identifying as a man.
………

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/26/13/70253593-12016029-image-a-15_1682511539814.jpg

[bots]

erling had a few pints last night?

[Nicky91]

Nicky if there was a rise In trans men abusing male spaces and taking advantage of gender identity and laughing in the faces of men whilst projecting such self entitled behaviour. I doubt you'd be throwing around the word " transphobic".... especially if you were stared at . What if you went to a male toilet and a woman as clear as anything walked into the bathroom and expected you to accept her as a man just because she said so ? ,as anyone can identify as anything now.

I know It's not the same anyway...as trans men statistically are less likely to harm biological men. But women can still make men feel uncomfortable. And if you had a sudden rise in predatory biological women invading these places saying " oh it's ok I'm a man " ,anytime men were in locker rooms naked or any other male only spaces.... Would you be ok with it ? . And I'm talking pre- op full feminine woman who hasn't even bothered to blend in as a man.

:umm2:

No, just No, i don't think in trans men, trans women terms though when being against transphobia


i think it wouldn't bother me

[Niamh.]

Speaking of JK Rowling, I admire how she totally refuses to be cowed by baying mobs wanting her silenced on an issue she feels strongly about…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12016029/JK-Rowling-slams-Eurovision-act-band-cut-ties-member-called-trans-robber-man.html

'Preening, self-satisfied misogyny': JK Rowling slams Ireland's Eurovision act Wild Youth after the band 'cut all ties' with their creative director who called a knife-wielding transgender robber a man

JK Rowling has slammed Ireland's Eurovision entry after the group 'cut all ties' with a creative director who called a knife-wielding transgender robber a man.
Wild Youth said they had parted ways with creative director Ian Banham out of 'unity and kindness' after he referred to a trans attacker and convicted rapist as a man.
Zara Jade, 54, was jailed for nine years for stabbing and robbing a vulnerable victim and tying her to a chair before taking her card and withdrawing £300 from an ATM.
Ms Rowling condemned the band's move on Twitter and criticised a BBC article on Jade's arrest with the headline 'Woman jailed after stabbing and tying up victim.'
She said: 'The re-traumatisation of female rape survivors, including this man's victims, on seeing him called a woman by the press counts for nothing, naturally.
'The so-called kindness and inclusivity of Wild Youth is preening, self-satisfied misogyny.'
Mr Banham responded to a tweet critcising the BBC coverage of Jade, saying: 'It's a MAN! This clown world is ridiculous...'
Wild Youth lead singer Conor O'Donohoe had previously apologised to fans over Mr Banham's posts after the band said it had 'cut all ties' with the creative director.
Mr O'Donohoe said: 'First off I want to apologise with my whole heart to anyone who has been hurt or even had to read such horrible tweets.
'He goes against everything I stand for, his tweets make me feel sick reading them.
'Writing this song and writing these lyrics was writing about what I believe in. Acceptance Unity and kindness. Ian will have nothing to do with Wild Youth on our Eurovision journey.
'Again from the bottom of my heart. I'm sorry to anybody who had to read these tweets and was effected [sic] by them. '
In March, Jade admitted wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, robbery, fraud and false imprisonment and was jailed for nine years with an extended licence period of three years.
The victim was strapped to an electrically powered chair by her ankles, knees, chest and arms, before she was tilted back, and the power was switched off.
Bradford Crown Court previously heard how her victim remained fixed in place for a few hours at their shared flat in Halifax while Jade used her card to withdraw £300 before later untying her.
The attacker was also convicted of rape in 1998 when identifying as a man.
………

Every article I've read on this has been ratio'd to **** in the comments section (Irish articles mainly) all backing JKR and hoping our entry flops now :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The thing is the Irish group are not doing this for any other reason than self interest thinking they may not do well if they dont (its self a huge worry). sickening vanity. JK outed them good and proper

[Niamh.]

The thing is the Irish group are not doing this for any other reason than self interest thinking they may not do well if they dont (its self a huge worry). sickening vanity. JK outed them good and proper

They say it's not just that one twee,t that the Choreographer was also "fat shaming" in another tweet which yeah he made a comment about an over weight woman which wasn't nice but also I don't think it's a firable offense either however then this tweet from the guy from the Eurovision band has come out since, is his fat shaming comment OK because he made it against a man? and a man that the general public don't like that much?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuptAA9XgAE1duw?format=png&name=small

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/26/13/70253593-12016029-image-a-15_1682511539814.jpg

A user hottie :dance:

[Crimson Dynamo]

They say it's not just that one twee,t that the Choreographer was also "fat shaming" in another tweet which yeah he made a comment about an over weight woman which wasn't nice but also I don't think it's a firable offense either however then this tweet from the guy from the Eurovision band has come out since, is his fat shaming comment OK because he made it against a man? and a man that the general public don't like that much?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuptAA9XgAE1duw?format=png&name=small

:nono:

he is

1. old

2. white

3. straight

he does not count

[bots]

it could have been worse

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1651331502766977027?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

For the crime of being transgender and speaking out against their anti-trans bills

[bots]

the suspended person accused the other law makers of being murderers and refused to apologise, so, not what i would call blameless

[Liam-]

the suspended person accused the other law makers of being murderers and refused to apologise, so, not what i would call blameless

Incorrect, she said if they passed these laws they would have blood on their hands if and when people end up doing harm to themselves as a result and she cited stories from a source of just that happening, she didn’t call them murderers, she correctly stated that these laws would lead to direct harm to people, it’s a fact

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1651557939419791363?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Being investigated for being a supportive parent and doing her job.. women will be investigated for voting on women’s issues before long and then people will be up in arms, it’s a disgrace

[Niamh.]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1651557939419791363?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Being investigated for being a supportive parent and doing her job.. women will be investigated for voting on women’s issues before long and then people will be up in arms, it’s a disgrace

Bit rich you pretending to care about women's rights and our right to a voice in them.........

[GoldHeart]

:umm2:

No, just No, i don't think in trans men, trans women terms though when being against transphobia


i think it wouldn't bother me

How can you call it " Transphobia" ?! :facepalm: , when there's been countless cases of predators abusing women...... and exposing themselves to women and girls in places that were supposed to be ' women only safe spaces'. But because they think by identifying as ' a woman ' they can get a free pass to do what they want.

Were you asleep when Isla whatever their name was being placed in a female jail by Sturgeon, despite the fact this person was a sex offender who conveniently identified as ' female ' after he got caught. Suddenly a wig is on his head and painted nail polish,and we're meant to call him a " she / her" , how insulting to the victims.

You'll never be bothered Nicky because you'll never have trans men sneaking through loopholes around you whilst trying to hurt you , as on a whole they're a less threat . And you're not a woman so you won't fully understand.

[Crimson Dynamo]

not the kids will die if we dont mutilate them lie?

Is that still a thing?

[bots]

Incorrect, she said if they passed these laws they would have blood on their hands if and when people end up doing harm to themselves as a result and she cited stories from a source of just that happening, she didn’t call them murderers, she correctly stated that these laws would lead to direct harm to people, it’s a fact

it's not incorrect, telling them they would have blood on their hands is accusing them of being murderers and she refused to apologise and stirred up a mob of protesters that broke into the chamber.

She wanted to be suspended and make a fuss rather than let democracy play out. Those are the facts

[Liam-]

Bit rich you pretending to care about women's rights and our right to a voice in them.........

I’ve been a very vocal proponent of woman’s rights on this forum for years, I’ve had many debates with people you’re now sided with over women’s right, if anybody on this forum pretends to care about women it certainly isn’t me, it’s the folks on your side that only ‘care’ about women because it gives them the chance to trash trans people

[Niamh.]

I’ve been a very vocal proponent of woman’s rights on this forum for years, I’ve had many debates with people you’re now sided with over women’s right, if anybody on this forum pretends to care about women it certainly isn’t me, it’s the folks on your side that only ‘care’ about women because it gives them the chance to trash trans people

A proponent of women's rights as long as it doesn't affect men's rights to stomp all over them, eh Liam? If you can't even admit the reason why women need our right to spaces away from biological men then you can't be for women.

[Liam-]

it's not incorrect, telling them they would have blood on their hands is accusing them of being murderers and she refused to apologise and stirred up a mob of protesters that broke into the chamber.

She wanted to be suspended and make a fuss rather than let democracy play out. Those are the facts

People went into the public gallery (legally) and protested the silencing of a trans person, democratically elected to represent her constituents, because she pushed back against anti-trans bills

[Liam-]

A proponent of women's rights as long as it doesn't affect men's rights to stomp all over them, eh Liam? If you can't even admit the reason why women need our right to spaces away from biological men then you can't be for women.

I don’t want anybodies rights to be trampled, hence the entire reason I can’t support a movement that is purposely trying to eradicate the rights of an entire demographic of people

[Niamh.]

I don’t want anybodies rights to be trampled, hence the entire reason I can’t support a movement that is purposely trying to eradicate the rights of an entire demographic of people

Yes you do. You want men to have the right to access women's spaces. Women are an entire demographic of people too with our own specific needs, our need for spaces away from men is biological, it's physical

[Liam-]

Nah, I want trans people to continue to have the rights they already have, to use public spaces that align with their identity

[Niamh.]

Nah, I want trans people to continue to have the rights they already have, to use public spaces that align with their identity

That's code talk for I want men to be able to use womens spaces....

[Liam-]

Nah, that’s very plain talk that I want trans people to keep the rights they have and have enjoyed for over a decade

[Livia]

Women are not being taken seriously. Maybe we should arm ourselves? Who wants to put themselves in danger by using a women only space where biological men are allowed? Post-op transsexuals, I don't have a problem with, just the mentally ill.

[Niamh.]

Nah, that’s very plain talk that I want trans people to keep the rights they have and have enjoyed for over a decade

"I want transwomen's rights to trump women's rights......."

[Liam-]

Nah, I just want trans people not to be discriminated against for who they are, I don’t see anybody as more important as anybody else, there is no reason whatsoever why trans rights and women’s rights can’t coexist peacefully

[Nicky91]

That's code talk for I want men to be able to use womens spaces....

they identify as women after their sex change operation though

[Niamh.]

Nah, I just want trans people not to be discriminated against for who they are, I don’t see anybody as more important as anybody else, there is no reason whatsoever why trans rights and women’s rights can’t coexist peacefully

There are lots of ways our rights clash, as you know but go ahead and stick your fingers in your ears and pretend women don't have valid concerns

[Niamh.]

they identify as women after their sex change operation though

So only transwomen who've had a sex change operation should be allowed in women's spaces then is your stance on the issue Nicky?

[jet]

Every article I've read on this has been ratio'd to **** in the comments section (Irish articles mainly) all backing JKR and hoping our entry flops now :laugh:

Yeah, where is their 'unity and kindness' for the rape victim? Unbelievable self serving BS. :mad: I hope it totally backfires on them.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, where is their 'unity and kindness' for the rape victim? Unbelievable self serving BS. :mad: I hope it totally backfires on them.

2023 and misgendering is a bigger crime then actual rape, am I shocked? No. It's a very sad situation though

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1651331502766977027?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

For the crime of being transgender and speaking out against their anti-trans bills

guess she is getting to know how it feels not to have her voice heard eh? will she lose her job as women have though?

[GoldHeart]

2023 and misgendering is a bigger crime then actual rape, am I shocked? No. It's a very sad situation though

The way I see it if you've committed something as vile as rape or murder then don't expect me to get your pronouns correctly.

[Cherie]

Nah, I just want trans people not to be discriminated against for who they are, I don’t see anybody as more important as anybody else, there is no reason whatsoever why trans rights and women’s rights can’t coexist peacefully

absolutely, but its going to take compromise on BOTH sides not just women rolling over because...

[GoldHeart]

Nah, I just want trans people not to be discriminated against for who they are, I don’t see anybody as more important as anybody else, there is no reason whatsoever why trans rights and women’s rights can’t coexist peacefully

They did coexist until the T & Q in the LGBTQ community wanted special treatment just for being 'trans'. Plus it's given an open door for anyone pretending to be trans ,to cross dressers , to drag queens , to predators to take advantage of the system. And why are all those things now lumped under the 'trans' label .

I have a question Liam ...where do non binary people go ? . If they don't identify as either then which space do they use ?.

[Nicky91]

They did coexist until the T & Q in the LGBTQ community wanted special treatment just for being 'trans'. Plus it's given an open door for anyone pretending to be trans ,to cross dressers , to drag queens , to predators to take advantage of the system. And why are all those things now lumped under the 'trans' label .

I have a question Liam ...where do non binary people go ? . If they don't identify as either then which space do they use ?.

that is what the + is for in LGBTQ+

they don't identify with the he/him or she/her tags, more like in ''they/them'' tags

[Nicky91]

one of our presenters is non binary, whom has a very popular outdoors talk show called Boerderij Van Dorst (The Farm Van Dorst)

Raven Van Dorst, first Ryanne ex-girlfriend of Christina Curry, daughter of Patricia Paay, Adam Curry

[GoldHeart]

that is what the + is for in LGBTQ+

they don't identify with the he/him or she/her tags, more like in ''they/them'' tags

That didn't answer my question as for where do they go when it comes to bathrooms & changing rooms etc .

[Nicky91]

That didn't answer my question as for where do they go when it comes to bathrooms & changing rooms etc .

fair enough, i also would like to know that

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1651425243234172929?s=20

[Oliver_W]

there is no reason whatsoever why trans rights and women’s rights can’t coexist peacefully

But they literally contradict one another. Transwomen being legally allowed to use women's spaces negates women's rights to female-only spaces.

Only one set of rights can be acknowledged.

[GoldHeart]

But they literally contradict one another. Transwomen being legally allowed to use women's spaces negates women's rights to female-only spaces.

Only one set of rights can be acknowledged.

Oliver I think 10 years ago trans women may or may not have shared the same spaces as me ,but I wouldn't have been aware of it ....as they would have just got on privately with their own business. Plus back then they were just a small percentage of people.

But now everyone is calling themselves trans which Liam doesn't understand. And there's people taking advantage of the loopholes.

[Oliver_W]

Oliver I think 10 years ago trans women may or may not have shared the same spaces as me ,but I wouldn't have been aware of it ....as they would have just got on privately with their own business. Plus back then they were just a small percentage of people.

But now everyone is calling themselves trans which Liam doesn't understand. And there's people taking advantage of the loopholes.
Well even then they were infringing on your rights, even if you weren't aware it was happening

[GoldHeart]

Well even then they were infringing on your rights, even if you weren't aware it was happening

The point is though it wasn't an issue as those trans women would have been a very small minority and there was more consideration ( if they shared my space, there's no way of knowing) , things have vastly changed now and people are abusing loopholes,and being selfish. And the whole self ID is a mess.

[Mystic Mock]

that was in Scotland and although we could see his full face he was never arrested or charged

And that's wrong imo.

Just like those executioner Tweets that Liam has highlighted is also wrong and both occasions should lead to arrests.

People on both sides need to seriously calm down when it's reaching that level, especially when a lot of the issues that are happening are being encouraged by the Media, and the Government not wanting to reach a compromise that keeps both sides happy.

[Mystic Mock]

People went into the public gallery (legally) and protested the silencing of a trans person, democratically elected to represent her constituents, because she pushed back against anti-trans bills

Sadly America isn't as Democratic as it likes to pretend to be.

[Cherie]

Sadly America isn't as Democratic as it likes to pretend to be.

When Nicola Sturgeon was presenting her Gender Recognition Reform bill she refused to take questions from the audience and had a woman removed for daring to wear a coloured scarf in the colours of the sufragettes

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/woman-chucked-out-gender-reform-28493286

[Mystic Mock]

When Nicola Sturgeon was presenting her Gender Recognition Reform bill she refused to take questions from the audience and had a woman removed for daring to wear a coloured scarf in the colours of the sufragettes

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/woman-chucked-out-gender-reform-28493286

Tbh that doesn't surprise me as the UK countries aren't much better than America for fake democracy.

[Cherie]

Tbh that doesn't surprise me as the UK countries aren't much better than America for fake democracy.

It should also be noted Mock that women have lost their jobs for daring to raise the gaping loopholes in self ID and its impact on women, Katherine Stock being a case in point, yet there was no empathy from the trans activists, trans women and the LGBT community have lost their greatest allies who have stood with them for decades as they threw women under the bus so sorry not sorry that this trans woman has been de platformed because what goes round comes round I am afraid

[GoldHeart]

When Nicola Sturgeon was presenting her Gender Recognition Reform bill she refused to take questions from the audience and had a woman removed for daring to wear a coloured scarf in the colours of the sufragettes

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/woman-chucked-out-gender-reform-28493286

I didn't know Sturgeon did that ,my goodness...she really was a clown . She should have resigned ages ago.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1651331502766977027?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ



Very illuminating twitter thread about this quite disturbed person and background - worrying to say the least..

https://twitter.com/jeremycarl4/status/1651587684140453888?s=20

[Mystic Mock]

It should also be noted Mock that women have lost their jobs for daring to raise the gaping loopholes in self ID and its impact on women, Katherine Stock being a case in point, yet there was no empathy from the trans activists, trans women and the LGBT community have lost their greatest allies who have stood with them for decades as they threw women under the bus so sorry not sorry that this trans woman has been de platformed because what goes round comes round I am afraid

I don't support either situation happening.

The one thing that we all should agree on is that people should be allowed to say anything that they like, as long as it's not threatening or harassment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They say good comedy is rooted in truth
nAyUHtyvy7Y

[Cherie]

They say good comedy is rooted in truth
nAyUHtyvy7Y

:joker: sums it up

[Cherie]

I don't support either situation happening.

The one thing that we all should agree on is that people should be allowed to say anything that they like, as long as it's not threatening or harassment.

I know you dont Mock, but too many people are very happy to see women lose their platforms, but are not so happy when the boot is on the other foot

[arista]

They say good comedy is rooted in truth
nAyUHtyvy7Y


Clever Cartoon Family Guy

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lets hope the Conservative right give this brave trans woman the space to breath and exist :fc:

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1652697713736138754?s=20

[Alf]

Lets hope the Conservative right give this brave trans woman the space to breath and exist :fc:

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1652697713736138754?s=20Well done her, she's so brave.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1653011403052023808?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/againstgrmrs/status/1652862159963996160?s=20

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/againstgrmrs/status/1652862159963996160?s=20

point well made

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oklahoma Bans Trans Procedures On Kids, Becoming 16th State To Enact Such
Protections

https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2023/05/GettyImages-1242358048.jpg?fit=crop&ar=16%3A9&w=1080&auto=format&ixlib=react-9.3.0

Republican Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt signed a law Monday banning sex
change procedures on kids, joining a growing list of red states that have moved
to protect children from the life-altering treatments.

The law bans surgeries, like elective double mastectomies on girls who identify
as boys, and prohibits puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for children.

The Republican governor has also signed legislation requiring students to use
the bathroom corresponding to their biological sex and compete on the sports
team of their biological sex as well.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/oklahoma-bans-trans-procedures-on-kids-becoming-16th-state-to-enact-such-protections

[Crimson Dynamo]

the war on actual facts continues...:rolleyes:

gIKdBJoXOOI

[hijaxers]

Oklahoma Bans Trans Procedures On Kids, Becoming 16th State To Enact Such
Protections

https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2023/05/GettyImages-1242358048.jpg?fit=crop&ar=16%3A9&w=1080&auto=format&ixlib=react-9.3.0

Republican Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt signed a law Monday banning sex
change procedures on kids, joining a growing list of red states that have moved
to protect children from the life-altering treatments.

The law bans surgeries, like elective double mastectomies on girls who identify
as boys, and prohibits puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones for children.

The Republican governor has also signed legislation requiring students to use
the bathroom corresponding to their biological sex and compete on the sports
team of their biological sex as well.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/oklahoma-bans-trans-procedures-on-kids-becoming-16th-state-to-enact-such-protections

All this 'common sense' is very encouraging.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hopefully the tide is turning on the hateful transmob and their pathetic hard left hand wringing allies

[GoldHeart]

point well made

Hopefully more will continue to speak out .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trans-Identified Male With Criminal Record Sues Yoga Studio For $5 Million After
Being Escorted Out Of Women’s Locker Room

https://reduxx.info/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Untitled-design-5-1-696x392.jpg

A man who identifies as transgender and has a disturbing criminal record is
suing a New York yoga studio for $5 million in compensation after he alleges
employees asked to use the men’s restroom instead of the women’s. Dylan
Miles, who uses the name Ali Miles, filed the discrimination suit against Chelsea
Traditional Hot Yoga on May 15.

Using a mixture of masculine and feminine pronouns to refer to himself, Miles
alleges that the personnel at Chelsea Yoga “deprived [him] of his civil rights
because he is gay, undergoing a gender transition, and because Miles does
not conform to … gender-based preferences, expectations, or stereotypes
about how a man/woman should dress and conduct himself/herself.”

The incident is said to have occurred on May 4, when, at approximately 4:00
in the afternoon, Miles appeared at the studio to participate in a yoga class
scheduled for the following hour.

According to the suit, Miles proceeded to tell the manger and owner of the
studio about his “gender status”, and stated that he “most closely aligned
with female gender identity,” and that he would like to use the women’s
restroom and locker room on the premises.

Management informed Miles that he would not be permitted to use the
women’s facilities. However, after attending the yoga class, Miles proceeded
to enter first the restroom, and then the women’s locker room. At this point,
the suit states, “female patrons complained and yelled at Miles about Miles’
presence and use of the single-sex locker room and bathroom labelled
Women, and they demanded Miles leave and cease using the facilities.”

Nasty Liberal outlet The Daily Beast was first to bring details of the suit to
public attention in a short article categorized as “discrimination” which used
“she/her” pronouns for Miles, and declined to use a photo of him.:rolleyes:


Yet despite his claim of victimhood, Reduxx can reveal that Miles has a
history of stalking and harassment charges lodged against him in Yavapai
County, Arizona, before he relocated to New York State.

https://reduxx.info/trans-identifying-man-with-criminal-record-sues-yoga-studio-for-5-million-after-being-escorted-out-of-womens-locker-room/

[Cherie]

Another one who thinks wearing pink given him the right to enter women only spaces

[arista]

Another one who thinks wearing pink given him the right to enter women only spaces


Yes its pathetic

[hijaxers]

Trans-Identified Male With Criminal Record Sues Yoga Studio For $5 Million After
Being Escorted Out Of Women’s Locker Room

https://reduxx.info/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Untitled-design-5-1-696x392.jpg

A man who identifies as transgender and has a disturbing criminal record is
suing a New York yoga studio for $5 million in compensation after he alleges
employees asked to use the men’s restroom instead of the women’s. Dylan
Miles, who uses the name Ali Miles, filed the discrimination suit against Chelsea
Traditional Hot Yoga on May 15.

Using a mixture of masculine and feminine pronouns to refer to himself, Miles
alleges that the personnel at Chelsea Yoga “deprived [him] of his civil rights
because he is gay, undergoing a gender transition, and because Miles does
not conform to … gender-based preferences, expectations, or stereotypes
about how a man/woman should dress and conduct himself/herself.”

The incident is said to have occurred on May 4, when, at approximately 4:00
in the afternoon, Miles appeared at the studio to participate in a yoga class
scheduled for the following hour.

According to the suit, Miles proceeded to tell the manger and owner of the
studio about his “gender status”, and stated that he “most closely aligned
with female gender identity,” and that he would like to use the women’s
restroom and locker room on the premises.

Management informed Miles that he would not be permitted to use the
women’s facilities. However, after attending the yoga class, Miles proceeded
to enter first the restroom, and then the women’s locker room. At this point,
the suit states, “female patrons complained and yelled at Miles about Miles’
presence and use of the single-sex locker room and bathroom labelled
Women, and they demanded Miles leave and cease using the facilities.”

Nasty Liberal outlet The Daily Beast was first to bring details of the suit to
public attention in a short article categorized as “discrimination” which used
“she/her” pronouns for Miles, and declined to use a photo of him.:rolleyes:


Yet despite his claim of victimhood, Reduxx can reveal that Miles has a
history of stalking and harassment charges lodged against him in Yavapai
County, Arizona, before he relocated to New York State.

https://reduxx.info/trans-identifying-man-with-criminal-record-sues-yoga-studio-for-5-million-after-being-escorted-out-of-womens-locker-room/

Yet another sad, pathetic individual , we're getting surrounded and its got to stop.

[Crimson Dynamo]

we want more money

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1658552802249940994?s=20

[Alf]

we want more money

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1658552802249940994?s=20Just the simple fact that she's given this platform as a teacher should tell you all you need to know.

[hijaxers]

Just the simple fact that she's given this platform as a teacher should tell you all you need to know.

This woman needs sacking pronto, who does she think she is !!

[Crimson Dynamo]

shame on the grooming abling CNN for pandering to these morons masquerading as "teachers"

smh

[Alf]

Could you imagine any of your teachers going on the national news for an interview to preach this crap?

[Mystic Mock]

Could you imagine any of your teachers going on the national news for an interview to preach this crap?

I swear that some of my Teachers would preach far worse values than this.

It's speculation on my part of course, but it wouldn't shock me.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1658936329969729536?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1658936329969729536?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Jumping Jillickers, you mean people need medical approval before taking medication?

It's not like cross-sex hormones are treatment for headaches, they have implications for the whole body, and can cause various cancers (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5868281/), along with heart attacks and strokes (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6636681/).

So of course there should be multiple levels of approval before someone is given unnecessary medication.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ron knocking it out the park

[GoldHeart]

https://twitter.com/noliewithbtc/status/1658936329969729536?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Liam do you realise whether you're 25 or 99 you need medical consultation and checks before jumping ahead , anyone giving the green light for medication and surgeries instantly ...are clearly only thinking about money or they're not qualified enough.

Or they've probably been pressured into rushing through with it,as usually they get guilt tripped into the whole gender identity politics and people's feelings. Even though there's people out there still waiting for cancer treatments.

When it comes to someone's physical and mental health, you can't mess around with it .

There are women out there who have been refused hysterectomies aswell as other procedures ....due to health issues or other factors, aswell as still waiting for life saving surgeries.

But yet some people think it's perfectly fine to have gender reassignment straight away? . Bear in mind things can go wrong ,and like anything medical...there are serious risks to be taken into account and it shouldn't be taken lightly.

[Niamh.]

Liam do you realise whether you're 25 or 99 you need medical consultation and checks before jumping ahead , anyone giving the green light for medication and surgeries instantly ...are clearly only thinking about money or they're not qualified enough.

Or they've probably been pressured into rushing through with it,as usually they get guilt tripped into the whole gender identity politics and people's feelings. Even though there's people out there still waiting for cancer treatments.

When it comes to someone's physical and mental health, you can't mess around with it .

There are women out there who have been refused hysterectomies aswell as other procedures ....due to health issues or other factors, aswell as still waiting for life saving surgeries.

But yet some people think it's perfectly fine to have gender reassignment straight away? . Bear in mind things can go wrong ,and like anything medical...there are serious risks to be taken into account and it shouldn't be taken lightly.

Absolutely. Some of the de-transitioners stories are harrowing.

[Oliver_W]

Absolutely. Some of the de-transitioners stories are harrowing.

Yup. If more states/countries had such sensible "gatekeeping" ere the issue of transition HRT, there'd be a lot less detransitioners.

For some, this would be good because it doesn't damage "the brand" of trans; and for those with empathy, it would mean fewer people going through unnecessary and damaging medication.

[GoldHeart]

Absolutely. Some of the de-transitioners stories are harrowing.
Yep
And irreversible! , Despite the lies that they keep saying about medication being 'reversible" . If someone starts taking testosterone or oestrogen or has anything else done ,the effects will change their bodies and get into their bloodstream.

There's no going back. Every detransioner's story I've heard... usually they're permanently stuck with the changes and seem very unhappy, and have suffered with medical problems .

[Zizu]

Yep
And irreversible! , Despite the lies that they keep saying about medication being 'reversible" . If someone starts taking testosterone or oestrogen or has anything else done ,the effects will change their bodies and get into their bloodstream.

There's no going back. Every detransioner's story I've heard... usually they're permanently stuck with the changes and seem very unhappy, and have suffered with medical problems .


As regards this topic a very knowledgeable friend of ours said that many of ‘bodily changes’ are indeed reversible BUT alarmingly nothing brain related is reversible !!

Frightening


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[Niamh.]

As regards this topic a very knowledgeable friend of ours said that many of ‘bodily changes’ are indeed reversible BUT alarmingly nothing brain related is reversible !!

Frightening


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From what I've read and seen, the effects of testosterone are far less reversible than estrogen or are you referring to puberty blockers?

[user104658]

Full medical transition means permanent involvement of medical services in your life. Maybe this will change as medical technology progresses - who knows - but currently, that is the situation. I don't think that is really made clear enough at all to those seeking to transition. I'm sure for the mostpart it is at the point of ACTIVELY being with those services, but by that point people are often so far down that route that they socially and psychologically have little option but to continue. It needs to be makde clear and honest to all from the outset; people end up with severe medical injury from transition surgeries with poor outcomes, and even the ones with good outcomes have permanent medical consequences. Even worse if maintenance exercises are not done regularly -- and in a community with high rates of poor mental health and depression, the risk of letting that slide is HIGH.

[GoldHeart]

As regards this topic a very knowledgeable friend of ours said that many of ‘bodily changes’ are indeed reversible BUT alarmingly nothing brain related is reversible !!

Frightening


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I don't trust anyone who claims it's ' reversible ' , even some so called medical professionals are making questionable statements. I'm no expert...but once someone takes testosterone,I can't see how that could be reversed?. I've seen grown adult detransioners who have permanently had their voices altered due to the medication ,and they've suffered hair loss . There's nothing they can do about it . And that's grown adults. So can you imagine the damages to under 18's and minors !.

The brain is probably one of the most important organs in our body ,once that's screwed up ... that's it . Of course they won't tell people. But if you do research , you'll see that brain swelling is a risk aswell as other problems. I heard that one of the drugs they use on transgender patients.... has a ton of dangerous side effects.

[user104658]

I don't trust anyone who claims it's ' reversible ' , even some so called medical professionals are making questionable statements. I'm no expert...but once someone takes testosterone,I can't see how that could be reversed?. I've seen grown adult detransioners who have permanently had their voices altered due to the medication ,and they've suffered hair loss . There's nothing they can do about it . And that's grown adults. So can you imagine the damages to under 18's and minors !.

The brain is probably one of the most important organs in our body ,once that's screwed up ... that's it . Of course they won't tell people. But if you do research , you'll see that brain swelling is a risk aswell as other problems. I heard that one of the drugs they use on transgender patients.... has a ton of dangerous side effects.

The physical effects of HRT testosterone on female bodies are not reversible... there's a reason that (to be blunt) trans men on HRT "pass" far more easily than most trans women. Removing testosterone/adding female HRT doesn't reverse those effects.

Trans women who have been on HRT can have a lot of it reversed by stopping it/adding testosterone instead and can hormonally detransition. You can remove implants etc. Obviously, any body part removed surgically is permanent.

[GoldHeart]

The physical effects of HRT testosterone on female bodies are not reversible... there's a reason that (to be blunt) trans men on HRT "pass" far more easily than most trans women. Removing testosterone/adding female HRT doesn't reverse those effects.

Trans women who have been on HRT can have a lot of it reversed by stopping it/adding testosterone instead and can hormonally detransition. You can remove implants etc. Obviously, any body part removed surgically is permanent.


Yeah it's definitely more difficult to reverse FTM effects regarding testosterone . But I've seen MTF ...who have detransioned or tried to ,and they're still suffering from medical injuries/ complications and problems. Not to mention their mental health aswell.

So both have their risks . And people should be honest , Instead of dressing it up as some quick solution fairytale.

[Zizu]

As regards this topic a very knowledgeable friend of ours said that MANY of the ‘bodily changes’ are indeed reversible BUT alarmingly nothing brain related is reversible !!

Frightening


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The key word in my response was MANY


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[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/karbonsays/status/1659966632926801920?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Well would you look at that, the ‘we can always tell’ crowd, as it predictable turns out, can’t always tell, I am shocked

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/karbonsays/status/1659966632926801920?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Well would you look at that, the ‘we can always tell’ crowd, as it predictable turns out, can’t always tell, I am shocked

I honestly don't get how the Police can't tell that it's a woman that looks a bit Tomboy-ish.:laugh:

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Staff at the Equalities Watchdog,
the Equality and Human Rights Commission,
have been accused of trying to oust chairwoman
Baroness Falkner
over her stance on transgender issues.
The paper says a dossier of more
than 40 complaints against
the peer has been compiled
but that some within the organisation think
she is being targeted because she
"backed legal reforms guarding the right
of biological women in single-sex space
such as hospital wards and toilets".]

https://www.ihrc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2010-Broken-Promises-Launch-04.jpg
[Baroness Falkner]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/17933/production/_129836569_mail-nc.png.webp

[Oliver_W]

So now not even equality workers are allowed to stand up fow women's rights?

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/pinknews/status/1660980143454662656?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/pinknews/status/1660980143454662656?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

He has only been sentenced to two years in Prison?:shocked:

God you can get more for Drug offences.:joker:

[Zizu]

He has only been sentenced to two years in Prison?:shocked:

God you can get more for Drug offences.:joker:


Plus he will presumably serve less than a year behind bars ..


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[user104658]

He has only been sentenced to two years in Prison?:shocked:

God you can get more for Drug offences.:joker:

That's because if you actually read it, this is a story about violent drug-induced psychosis and not a transphobic attack. Trying to use it as an example of transphobia is a huuuuuuuuuge stretch :umm2:.

[thesheriff443]

That's because if you actually read it, this is a story about violent drug-induced psychosis and not a transphobic attack. Trying to use it as an example of transphobia is a huuuuuuuuuge stretch :umm2:.

It had the word trans in the story so it’s close enough surly

[Beso]

https://news.stv.tv/east-central/andrew-miller-man-abducted-and-sexually-assaulted-missing-girl-while-dressed-as-woman-in-the-scottish-borders

[Crimson Dynamo]

seems the hateful transmob are looking for war. Hyde Park at weekend

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2023/05/28/TELEMMGLPICT000337489481_16853009609730_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqAmLDJTB6ZptGPwmITY_631yOR_0MqiyZkYv6QK_BOU Y.jpeg?imwidth=960

[user104658]

LOL, those little red and yellow cars are nowhere NEAR sturdy enough to handle the recoil of an M134 Minigun. Daft! They haven't thought this through AT ALL the vibrations alone would rattle it to bits! No consideration for the child's safety whatsoever. Typical.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LOL, those little red and yellow cars are nowhere NEAR sturdy enough to handle the recoil of an M134 Minigun. Daft! They haven't thought this through AT ALL the vibrations alone would rattle it to bits! No consideration for the child's safety whatsoever. Typical.

note the lack of proper storage for the dynamite and also the inclusion of a cricket bat

no one is telling me a "trans kid" is a cricket fan

[user104658]

:joker: I didn't notice the bat. Imagine being the last kid to turn up.

"OH the massive unfathomable destructive potential of the playhouse howitzer artillery cannon is already taken. I guess I'll just have this wooden bat! Cheers!"

[Zizu]

LOL, those little red and yellow cars are nowhere NEAR sturdy enough to handle the recoil of an M134 Minigun. Daft! They haven't thought this through AT ALL the vibrations alone would rattle it to bits! No consideration for the child's safety whatsoever. Typical.


Yeah and the doors are shockingly poor quality as well - not to mention that the paint job gets easily bleached by the sun’s rays


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[DemolitionRed]

First one has to ask themselves why the backlash against Trans/gender ideology is growing?
I'd compare it to extreme feminism, where the more we give them a voice, the louder that voice gets, before they start stamping their feet and demanding.

The majority of Trans/alternative gender people just quietly get on with their life, whilst a minority are being given a voice to shout from the rooftops. An example if this is drag show story time for children. Another example is the insistence that we all use these ridiculous pronouns so we don't offend.
This small majority are making life hell for the Trans/alternative gender who would like to be accepted whilst quietly getting on with life.

[Beso]

Quietly getting on with their life...lol, that's a laugh!

[DemolitionRed]

Quietly getting on with their life...lol, that's a laugh!

So do you believe all Trans/diverse people are loud and shouting for their rights? That would make all Trans/diverse people the same surely?

[Beso]

So do you believe all Trans/diverse people are loud and shouting for their rights? That would make all Trans/diverse people the same surely?

Well I know the male to female sex change ones need to insert things daily into the wound, they decided to give themselves, to stop the body naturally healing the said wound. Adding that to the discomfort of pubic hairs growing inside you from the bits they used to make your new wound...To me, just does not sound like peacefully getting on with your life.:shrug:

[DemolitionRed]

Well I know the male to female sex change ones need to insert things daily into the wound, they decided to give themselves, to stop the body naturally healing the said wound. Adding that to the discomfort of pubic hairs growing inside you from the bits they used to make your new wound...To me, just does not sound like peacefully getting on with your life.:shrug:

I'm talking loud, demanding, in your face types. Ones that demand women are called "womb carriers" or "menstruators" so delicate ego's don't get offended.
I don't know, or want to know what they insert into themselves, but as long as they do that in privacy and not publicly, that's okay with me.

[Beso]

I'm talking loud, demanding, in your face types. Ones that demand women are called "womb carriers" or "menstruators" so delicate ego's don't get offended.
I don't know, or want to know what they insert into themselves, but as long as they do that in privacy and not publicly, that's okay with me.



That's a bit transphobic tbh. Full sex changers can be loud and in your face types as well... In public that is..not behind closed doors when the real suffering starts.

[Mystic Mock]

That's because if you actually read it, this is a story about violent drug-induced psychosis and not a transphobic attack. Trying to use it as an example of transphobia is a huuuuuuuuuge stretch :umm2:.

Transphobic or not, the person still beat up an 86 year old which should be worth more than two years in Prison.

[Mystic Mock]

Plus he will presumably serve less than a year behind bars ..


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I don't doubt it.

[DemolitionRed]

That's a bit transphobic tbh. Full sex changers can be loud and in your face types as well... In public that is..not behind closed doors when the real suffering starts.

Eristic comes to mind :conf:

[Beso]

Eristic comes to mind :conf:

I've looked that word up. What's your point?

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1666441687680397313?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

When they openly and proudly tell you who they are and what they want, believe them, this is the end goal for the anti-trans movement, to get rid of transgender people all together.

No wonder she’s such great friends with the Nazis that go to her hate rallies

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1666441687680397313?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

When they openly and proudly tell you who they are and what they want, believe them, this is the end goal for the anti-trans movement, to get rid of transgender people all together.
While obviously children shouldn't be medically or surgically transitioning, I do agree that stopping adults from doing what they want with their own bodies is a bit far.

No wonder she’s such great friends with the Nazis that go to her hate rallies
Which "Nazis" is she friends with?

[Redway]

I think my thread dealt with this issue just a little bit better. The more active posters (of whom Liam obviously wasn’t one) made more sense.

Ain’t that right, Soldier Boy?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No wonder she’s such great friends with the Nazis that go to her hate rallies

Genuinely embarrassing

[Oliver_W]

Geniuly embarrassing

tbh I'm open-minded - for all we know, he isn't going to link to that woman (one of many who spoke at the event) who mentioned Mein Kampf; for all we know, he's going to provide us with an example of how she's actually friends with Nazi types, and not just had some of them show up at one of her events.

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1666441687680397313?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

When they openly and proudly tell you who they are and what they want, believe them, this is the end goal for the anti-trans movement, to get rid of transgender people all together.

No wonder she’s such great friends with the Nazis that go to her hate rallies

that clip seems cherry picked at just the right moment? why not let her finish what she was saying about adults?

[Crimson Dynamo]

this thread will break your heart..

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1666496308150951954?s=20

[Beso]

https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1666441687680397313?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

When they openly and proudly tell you who they are and what they want, believe them, this is the end goal for the anti-trans movement, to get rid of transgender people all together.

No wonder she’s such great friends with the Nazis that go to her hate rallies




What about the nazi ideology of the trans movement calling for death to all terfs..are the supporters of that seen as non nazis by you?

[Oliver_W]

What about the nazi ideology of the trans movement calling for death to all terfs..are the supporters of that seen as non nazis by you?

Nazis weren't the only movement to call for death on their opponents. Communists for example; whom the trans ideologues probably would't mind being compared to.

Anyway, falling into whataboutwhatabout isn't really needed, the claim that Posie is friends with Nazis is a weak assertion to begin with.

[bots]

i don't know why the trans activists have to attach some other slur to their argument, like and they are a nazi .... To me, it's because they have nothing to prove their point in the first place

[Oliver_W]

i don't know why the trans activists have to attach some other slur to their argument, like and they are a nazi .... To me, it's because they have nothing to prove their point in the first place

Those who have no arguments are left with insults and/or attempts to discredit opposing arguments. TERF is effectively both.

[Oliver_W]

that clip seems cherry picked at just the right moment? why not let her finish what she was saying about adults?

The way she's speaking it's pretty obvious she was cut off.

I gather one of her bones of contention is the public cost of trans "health" care, so maybe she was going to comment on adults "transitioning" on the NHS? Which is a perfectly reasonable position to take, which is probably why it was cut out.

Her stance generally seems to be "do what with your own bodies, just stay out of our spaces!" so I doubt she's interested in stopping adults from "transitioning".

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1666441687680397313?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

When they openly and proudly tell you who they are and what they want, believe them, this is the end goal for the anti-trans movement, to get rid of transgender people all together.

No wonder she’s such great friends with the Nazis that go to her hate rallies

that clip seems cherry picked at just the right moment? why not let her finish what she was saying about adults?

Yup, selectively clipped.

In her own words: she doesn't care if a male wants to live the best life as a woman, that's fine, power to ya. Just stay out of women's spaces and sports.

pocfRKDk1-w?t=2185

(at 36:25 if the timestamp link didn't work)

[Swan]

y8-BszUwtyc

:joker:

[Niamh.]

Remind me again who's being erased :think:

"https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1668589229046112258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Crimson Dynamo]

remind me again who's being erased :think:

"https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1668589229046112258?ref_src=twsrc%5etfw">june 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

that cant be real?

[Oliver_W]

Remind me again who's being erased :think:

"https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1668589229046112258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jeezum Crow, if I didn't know better I'd think that was a joke.

[Niamh.]

that cant be real?

Jeezum Crow, if I didn't know better I'd think that was a joke.

That's the thing these days you can't even parody this stuff it's so bizarre

[Oliver_W]

That's the thing these days you can't even parody this stuff it's so bizarre

It's like AOC, there was a parody twitter account made of her saying deliberately bonkers and "extreme" things, and several of the tweets gained traction because they were convincing :joker:

[Niamh.]

It's like AOC, there was a parody twitter account made of her saying deliberately bonkers and "extreme" things, and several of the tweets gained traction because they were convincing :joker:

Just for clarity, this is absolutely legit, this is from their actual website :

https://studentaffairs.jhu.edu/lgbtq/education/glossary

[Crimson Dynamo]

CLOWN WORLD

[Cherie]

y8-BszUwtyc

:joker:

:joker:

[DemolitionRed]

Toxic masculinity by its definition is poisonous. The interesting thing is, people who widely use the words ‘toxic masculinity’ are certain types of feminists and within the some LGBT communities.
The more radical sections of LGBT see sayings like ‘boys will be boys’ as a cultural crime. There’s no doubt that the undermining of men/boys for having the confidence to be men/boys, is a growing phenomenon.
It feels like we are going through a sexual revolution, and I believe this revolution could be harmful and certainly confusing for our children.
Drag Queen story time certainly hasn't done the LGBT's any favors.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf man hating (which does feel like it's grown over the last few years) is imo more than any issues that anyone has with the LGBT community.

Imo I feel like Twitter for example has encouraged people to openly express man hating like it's a badge of honour.

But then Twitter's also the site that doesn't do anything about racism unless it's towards a Footballer, so they basically have minimal standards.

[Niamh.]

Tbf man hating (which does feel like it's grown over the last few years) is imo more than any issues that anyone has with the LGBT community.

Imo I feel like Twitter for example has encouraged people to openly express man hating like it's a badge of honour.

But then Twitter's also the site that doesn't do anything about racism unless it's towards a Footballer, so they basically have minimal standards.

Twitter has hating going on to all demographics depending where you look. Horrible place

[Oliver_W]

Every time someone (unironically) uses the phrase "toxic masculinity", there's at least one person who doesn't understand that the user isn't (necessarily) calling all masculinity toxic, but referring only to the type of masculinity which is toxic ... but if something has to be explained every time, it's not an effective use of words.

[Niamh.]

Every time someone (unironically) uses the phrase "toxic masculinity", there's at least one person who doesn't understand that the user isn't (necessarily) calling all masculinity toxic, but referring only to the type of masculinity which is toxic ... but if something has to be explained every time, it's not an effective use of words.

very true

[user104658]

Every time someone (unironically) uses the phrase "toxic masculinity", there's at least one person who doesn't understand that the user isn't (necessarily) calling all masculinity toxic, but referring only to the type of masculinity which is toxic ... but if something has to be explained every time, it's not an effective use of words.

I actually disagree on that one, I don't think there's anything wrong with the phrase toxic masculinity when used as intended, I think the meaning is clear when used as intended, and I frankly think that 99% of the time when people feign offense and act like they believe it's saying "masculinity is toxic" they are being disingenuous for effect. "Playing dumb".

This is especially evident when it's been explained ten times over that "toxic" is being used as a category and not a universal descriptor, but those fighting the other line continue to pretend not to understand the difference.

I genuinely struggle to understand why people do it, because all it does is make them look thick as **** :umm2:.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/62takes/status/1668434471249653761?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Hating trans people so much that it makes you harass children and their parents and sports events.

Nothing says ‘protect the kids’ quite like grown adults demanding the invasion of their privacy and decency when they win races.

[Niamh.]

https://twitter.com/62takes/status/1668434471249653761?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Hating trans people so much that it makes you harass children and their parents and sports events.

Nothing says ‘protect the kids’ quite like grown adults demanding the invasion of their privacy and decency when they win races.

Unfortunately this is the paranoia that's bred from allowing such unfairness in women's and girls sports in the first place. Obviously no child should be "examined" that's disgusting but because of all this un-clarity around women & girls sports maybe children should have to bring their birth certificates for races :shrug:

[Liam-]

Justifying the harassment of children and their parents really isn’t a good look, but if that’s the hill you want to die on, good for you I guess.

But yes, let’s stick more unreasonable, unnecessary rules onto children who want to take part in sports because adults don’t like trans people and their inclusion in society, that seems like the only logical and reasonable reaction.

[Niamh.]

Justifying the harassment of children and their parents really isn’t a good look, but if that’s the hill you want to die on, good for you I guess.

But yes, let’s stick more unreasonable, unnecessary rules onto children who want to take part in sports because adults don’t like trans people and their inclusion in society, that seems like the only logical and reasonable reaction.

Yeah **** girls and their achievements and ambitions eh Liam? Trans kids can still participate in sports in the correct biological sex......you know - the whole reason for Sport segregation in the first place..........

[Oliver_W]

It didn't seem like Niamh was defending those individuals' actions, but saying they're the result of boys being allowed to compete with girls in the first place.

[Niamh.]

It didn't seem like Niamh was defending those individuals' actions, but saying they're the result of boys being allowed to compete with girls in the first place.

Liam knows that perfectly well Oliver, accusing me of hating children is a much better read though eh?

[Liam-]

Where did I say you hated children? If you have an actual point you don’t need to make stuff up

[Niamh.]

Where did I say you hated children? If you have an actual point you don’t need to make stuff up

You don't think fairness for women & girls in Sport is a good point? Yeah that shows.

Re me "making stuff up" you said I was justifying the harassment of children & "because adults don’t like trans people and their inclusion in society" presumably I'm one of those adults because I made that point you're talking about, how am I making stuff up?

[Liam-]

You said I accused you of hating children, which I very clearly did not, so yes, you made that up

[Niamh.]

You said I accused you of hating children, which I very clearly did not, so yes, you made that up

Sorry "disliking children" then, not loads better :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/20/05/61559625-11129215-image-a-31_1660970850192.jpg

Davidson last competed as a male golfer in 2015. Now winning in women's tournaments.

Although the top male golfers can typically hit the ball further than their female
counterparts, Davidson claims that the majority of criticism about her competing in the
women's circuit is transphobic in order to try and stop any criticism of the cheating

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/20/05/61559471-11129215-image-m-32_1660970868639.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11129215/Golfer-set-transgender-woman-win-coveted-Ladies-PGA-Tour-Card.html

[Niamh.]

I notice as well you accuse me of making stuff up because i don't have an actual point while ignoring the actual point I've made.

[Liam-]

Sorry "disliking children" then, not loads better :laugh:

Nope, didn’t say that either

[Niamh.]

Nope, didn’t say that either

So you weren't talking about me as one of those adults then when you said this?

"let’s stick more unreasonable, unnecessary rules onto children who want to take part in sports because adults don’t like trans people and their inclusion in society"

[Liam-]

That is indeed what I said, nowhere did I accuse you of hating or disliking children, as you’ve proved by posting what I said

[Niamh.]

That is indeed what I said, nowhere did I accuse you of hating or disliking children, as you’ve proved by posting what I said

So you don't think I dislike children then, is that what you're saying? just for clarity

[Liam-]

You want me to clarify that I don’t believe something that I never said? :joker:

[Niamh.]

You want me to clarify that I don’t believe something that I never said? :joker:

Oh lots of dancing around a simple question Liam. Were you referring to me as one of those people when you said what you said, it seemed to me that you were considering you were talking about a point I made (even though you also claim I made no "actual point")

[Livia]

Everyone knows what Liam was saying. It's very much his MO to be insulting and then deny it and argue semantics.

[Redway]

Yup, selectively clipped.

In her own words: she doesn't care if a male wants to live the best life as a woman, that's fine, power to ya. Just stay out of women's spaces and sports.

pocfRKDk1-w?t=2185

(at 36:25 if the timestamp link didn't work)

Would you at least respect their pronoun-choice?

[Niamh.]

The reality for female competitors here :

"https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1642608092213923840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Oliver_W]

Would you at least respect their pronoun-choice?

I more often than not indulge preferred pronouns, whatever I think.

[Cherie]

The reality for female competitors here :

"https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1642608092213923840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

so upsetting to watch that

at least Lia Thomas is being fully accommodated though even it it is at the expense of women and that seems to be A OK with some people

[Crimson Dynamo]

Would you at least respect their pronoun-choice?

Like they would respect a person who didn't?

[bots]

I remember that celeb BB with Ann Widdecombe and that really annoying trans person where she was basically sitting there waiting 24 hours a day for them to slip up. That type of behaviour gets all the contempt from me that it deserves

[Niamh.]

so upsetting to watch that

at least Lia Thomas is being fully accommodated though even it it is at the expense of women and that seems to be A OK with some people

I was listening to an interview with Riley and she went into the Locker Room situation a little more. When she asked the officials about Lia in the female changing room, she was told that in order for them to accommodate Lia, they'd made the Locker Room Unisex, told none of the girls that before they went in and started undressing so in theory any man at all could strolled in there while they were changing and they could say nothing about it.

[Beso]

Wish I had identified as a women for this week so I could walk about in a summers dress getting air in me bollox.

[Oliver_W]

Wish I had identified as a women for this week so I could walk about in a summers dress getting air in me bollox.

No-one would have the balls to stop a demented Scotsman wearing whatsoever he wants!:)

[Cherie]

I was listening to an interview with Riley and she went into the Locker Room situation a little more. When she asked the officials about Lia in the female changing room, she was told that in order for them to accommodate Lia, they'd made the Locker Room Unisex, told none of the girls that before they went in and started undressing so in theory any man at all could strolled in there while they were changing and they could say nothing about it.

absolute joke, and just shows the arrogance that Lia is quite happy to make others uncomfortable, its a power trip

[Cherie]

Wish I had identified as a women for this week so I could walk about in a summers dress getting air in me bollox.

Is not too late, you can wake up tomorrow and do just that....then change your mind next week when the weather cools down....thats how mad self ID is

[Beso]

Is not too late, you can wake up tomorrow and do just that....then change your mind next week when the weather cools down....thats how mad self ID is

I've already decided to be a dog, my salt deficiency demands it.:blush:

[Oliver_W]

I've already decided to be a dog, my salt deficiency demands it.:blush:

https://s12.gifyu.com/images/SQzSc.gif

[Beso]

https://s12.gifyu.com/images/SQzSc.gif

Do I need to squat on the floor with one leg cocked for you to understand.:shrug:

[Beso]

6dcJwH8gLYM

[bots]

thats just a couple of miles away from where i lived as a kid :laugh:

[user104658]

6dcJwH8gLYM

The main thing that bothers me about this isn't the teachers personal stance - it's how quickly he goes to "dictate" rather than "debate". But that's not really anything new in schools, to be fair.

In this case it seems pretty clear that he's no-debating the issue because he doesn't actually have good or solid debate points on the topic and he knows it. He can't debate it so defaults to "this isn't up for discussion".

[Oliver_W]

The main thing that bothers me about this isn't the teachers personal stance - it's how quickly he goes to "dictate" rather than "debate". But that's not really anything new in schools, to be fair.

In this case it seems pretty clear that he's no-debating the issue because he doesn't actually have good or solid debate points on the topic and he knows it. He can't debate it so defaults to "this isn't up for discussion".

Well that's pretty standard for some topics.

[bots]

to be fair it's not just transgender issues these days. The intellectual level of people has fallen off a cliff. They just don't listen to any other point of view and insult anyone who dares to voice an alternative view

[Niamh.]

to be fair it's not just transgender issues these days. The intellectual level of people has fallen off a cliff. They just don't listen to any other point of view and insult anyone who dares to voice an alternative view

Yes, it's a very pick a side type of mentality and I think that's certainly come from social media and the internet. People aren't thinking things through for themselves so much anymore

[user104658]

Well that's pretty standard for some topics.

When I did Philosophy at Uni level, one of the first things they taught on the subject (which is, effectively, the study of thinking) is that there are no "wrong answers", only "poor arguments". That a stance you don't agree with should still be respected if the person stating it can explain their reasoning and logic well. You'll find that eventually there's a premise that you disagree on and that leads to the divergence of opinion, but that's OK... It's still a well reasoned personal opinion.

If someone CANNOT or REFUSES TO do that then in all likelihood, the opinion hasn't been formed by themselves, it's been indoctrinated by or copied from someone else.

I wonder if they still teach that? I imagine there'd be a lot of kickback...

[Niamh.]

When I did Philosophy at Uni level, one of the first things they taught on the subject (which is, effectively, the study of thinking) is that there are no "wrong answers", only "poor arguments". That a stance you don't agree with should still be respected if the person stating it can explain their reasoning and logic well. You'll find that eventually there's a premise that you disagree on and that leads to the divergence of opinion, but that's OK... It's still a well reasoned personal opinion.

If someone CANNOT or REFUSES TO do that then in all likelihood, the opinion hasn't been formed by themselves, it's been indoctrinated by or copied from someone else.

I wonder if they still teach that? I imagine there'd be a lot of kickback...

Well Kathleen Stock was a professor of Philosophy so......... I'd imagine she tried to teach that in her class before her students decided that's not how it should be taught :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/NotScottNewgent/status/1672401226325979137?s=20

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, it's a very pick a side type of mentality and I think that's certainly come from social media and the internet. People aren't thinking things through for themselves so much anymore

Well it's because a lot of people don't like to think.

It's always been that way, hence why so many people say and do the most insane **** imaginable.

[Zizu]

Well it's because a lot of people don't like to think.

It's always been that way, hence why so many people say and do the most insane **** imaginable.


…. and believe in conspiracies, ghosts , little green men and Nessie …


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[user104658]

https://twitter.com/NotScottNewgent/status/1672401226325979137?s=20

The blame will be placed squarely on "TERFs" - the rhetoric will be that these kids were miserable "because they were the wrong gender", were jappy to be trand and then felt pressured out of it by anti-trans rhetoric and are now suicidal.

Note that the psych data does not support that --at all-- and there has always been a clear, presistent decline in mental health at roughly 4 or 5 years post transition (when temporary catharsis wears off and the underlying mental health struggles start to resurface).

This will be ignored entirely and reframed.

[user104658]

What I will say as a major positive of my daughter's school is that their approach on gender has essentially been to let them experiment/play and just not really get involved, but to nip bullying of any kind in the bud. This has been a major positive in both ways IMO. There was a large cohort of girls suddenly identifying as boyd early on ... but the reaction was "OK sure whatever you do you". They didn't get special attention for it and they didn't get to cry persecution because it was accepted. On the same vein, when 90% of those girls "backtracked" to their natal gender and original name, there was no shame or embarrassment, it was just an "Oh OK you're Susan again, hi Susan :)" with little to no fanfare. Makes it easier to "back out" if it goes without judgement.

Tell you what though it's bloody confusing as a parent!

"What about your pal Mikey?"
"...who?"
"Mikey!! Mike! Your friend??"
"shrug"
"...used to be Michelle at your primary school??"
"Oh yah Michelle is Michelle again sorry I frgot :hee:"

I struggle to keep up. One of her friends had different 5 names in less than a year and my daughter got mad if I had no idea who she was talking about :laugh:. Plus one of the names was "Carlos". Carlos! This is a very, very pasty pale Scottish adolescent female. Carlos.

[Niamh.]

That sounds like a really sensible approach TS, let the kids work through it on their own, go through puberty and most will desist without having done anything irreversible or damaging to their bodies

[Crimson Dynamo]

the actual war

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1673107696797532160?s=20

[user104658]

the actual war

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1673107696797532160?s=20

All kids.

[Oliver_W]

What I will say as a major positive of my daughter's school is that their approach on gender has essentially been to let them experiment/play and just not really get involved, but to nip bullying of any kind in the bud. This has been a major positive in both ways IMO. There was a large cohort of girls suddenly identifying as boyd early on ... but the reaction was "OK sure whatever you do you". They didn't get special attention for it and they didn't get to cry persecution because it was accepted. On the same vein, when 90% of those girls "backtracked" to their natal gender and original name, there was no shame or embarrassment, it was just an "Oh OK you're Susan again, hi Susan :)" with little to no fanfare. Makes it easier to "back out" if it goes without judgement.

Tell you what though it's bloody confusing as a parent!

"What about your pal Mikey?"
"...who?"
"Mikey!! Mike! Your friend??"
"shrug"
"...used to be Michelle at your primary school??"
"Oh yah Michelle is Michelle again sorry I frgot :hee:"

I struggle to keep up. One of her friends had different 5 names in less than a year and my daughter got mad if I had no idea who she was talking about :laugh:. Plus one of the names was "Carlos". Carlos! This is a very, very pasty pale Scottish adolescent female. Carlos.
Wow that's basically the perfect approach.

[Swan]

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[Mystic Mock]

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[Cherie]

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:worship: what a bigot though :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Essex schoolgirls sexually assaulted in gender-neutral toilets

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2023/06/28/TELEMMGLPICT000340922507_16879762865820_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqgsaO8O78rhmZrDxTlQBjdLdu0TL-Cg_AMOUqySXmFgU.jpeg?imwidth=500

A school has called in police over allegations that female pupils were sexually
assaulted in its gender-neutral lavatories.

A teenage boy has been arrested over four allegations of “serious sexual
assault” at the Essex school. The Daily Telegraph understands three of the
alleged attacks took place in lavatories used by boys and girls.

The case has led MPs and campaigners to question the safety of mixed-sex
lavatories and changing rooms days before the Government is expected to
release its transgender guidance for schools.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/28/essex-schoolgirls-sexually-assaulted-gender-neutral-toilets/

[Glenn.]

What I don’t think LT realises is that mixed toilets aren’t boys and girls with the little man or woman taken off the doors. If they’re anything like the mixed toilets here then it would be a corridor with separate cubicles of toilets. More fear mongering for easily led.

[user104658]

What I don’t think LT realises is that mixed toilets aren’t boys and girls with the little man or woman taken off the doors. If they’re anything like the mixed toilets here then it would be a corridor with separate cubicles of toilets. More fear mongering for easily led.

A lot of the school gender-neutral toilets are LITERALLY boys/girls toilets with the sign taken off the door.

I'm not sure where you went to school that would have had the budget to be building whole new purpose-built toilet blocks to pander to gender identity... but it certainly wasn't the UK state school system :umm2:.

[Beso]

What I don’t think LT realises is that mixed toilets aren’t boys and girls with the little man or woman taken off the doors. If they’re anything like the mixed toilets here then it would be a corridor with separate cubicles of toilets. More fear mongering for easily led.


And if they ain't like the ones there?

[arista]

[A teenage boy has been arrested over four allegations
of “serious sexual
assault” at the Essex school.
The Daily Telegraph understands
three of the
alleged attacks took place in lavatories
used by boys and girls.]



This is Terrible.

[Glenn.]

And if they ain't like the ones there?

Sounds like if anyone wanted to sexually assault someone, it doesn’t matter where they’d do it. Or are you telling me no women have ever been raped in a woman’s toilet?

[user104658]

Sounds like if anyone wanted to sexually assault someone, it doesn’t matter where they’d do it. Or are you telling me no women have ever been raped in a woman’s toilet?

Rubbish argument. "Rapists exist so we shouldn't bother trying to keep anywhere safe."

So you actually stand by that logic? "Why bother vetting preschool staff? Waste of time and energy! If paedos really want to get at children they'll get 'em anyway!"

[Glenn.]

The girl wasn’t sexually assaulted because it was a gender neutral toilet she was sexually assaulted because of a sicko.

It’s not a rubbish argument at all it just doesn’t fit your narrative that it happened because it was a gender neutral toilet.

[hijaxers]

The girl wasn’t sexually assaulted because it was a gender neutral toilet she was sexually assaulted because of a sicko.

It’s not a rubbish argument at all it just doesn’t fit your narrative that it happened because it was a gender neutral toilet.


Of course she was , he wouldn't have had more that one opportunity if the girls had their own toilets, sick or not.

[Glenn.]

Sure

[rusticgal]

Sounds like if anyone wanted to sexually assault someone, it doesn’t matter where they’d do it. Or are you telling me no women have ever been raped in a woman’s toilet?


….and you don’t think gender neutral toilets accommodates opportunism :shrug:

[Beso]

Sounds like if anyone wanted to sexually assault someone, it doesn’t matter where they’d do it. Or are you telling me no women have ever been raped in a woman’s toilet?

So instead of throwing the key away, you want it handed to them instead?

[hijaxers]

So instead of throwing the key away, you want it handed to them instead?

He obviously does Parm :conf:

[bots]

The girl wasn’t sexually assaulted because it was a gender neutral toilet she was sexually assaulted because of a sicko.

It’s not a rubbish argument at all it just doesn’t fit your narrative that it happened because it was a gender neutral toilet.

you are tying yourself in knots trying to justify circumstances that make it easy for predators to attack vulnerable people. Your words are obviously not genuinely held