The war on transgender

[Crimson Dynamo]

No such thing as a cis kid.

ridiculous activist term that deserves the bin with all the ideology that the Cass report exposed as crap

[Oliver_W]

Puberty blockers will be banned for trans kids because they’re too ‘dangerous’ but will continue to be used for cis kids

For what reason are puberty blockers prescribed to cis kids? When do they tend to come off them?

When do trans kids tend to come off puberty blockers?

Do you think a shorter time on a medication could mitigate the ill-effects?

[Zizu]

We had young girls aged around 14 in the high school I used to work in - wearing straps / bands around their chests .. presumably to flatten ?

No idea if it was a temporary measure or if it has long term effects ..

We also had 4 girls who decided they were boys over the summer holidays so were treated as boys when they returned in the new September term , name changes on school registration , different uniforms etc

We got to November and they had paired off so we had two pairs of boys ( were girls) dating each other !!

The staff were all very accepting and respectful but the vast majority of their peers reacted the polar opposite way and ridiculed them relentlessly.

Go figure

I am sooooo relieved that I am no longer part of the education system !!


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[Livia]

I wanted to be a mermaid when I was six. Luckily my parents didn't have my legs cut off and a tail fitted.

[The Slim Reaper]

You know this is serious debates, right?

.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wanted to be a mermaid when I was six. Luckily my parents didn't have my legs cut off and a tail fitted.

but lots of people would rather you did so they can win a fictitious culture war

(all men by the way)

#echochambermassive

[AnnieK]

We had young girls aged around 14 in the high school I used to work in - wearing straps / bands around their chests .. presumably to flatten ?

No idea if it was a temporary measure or if it has long term effects ..

We also had 4 girls who decided they were boys over the summer holidays so were treated as boys when they returned in the new September term , name changes on school registration , different uniforms etc

We got to November and they had paired off so we had two pairs of boys ( were girls) dating each other !!

The staff were all very accepting and respectful but the vast majority of their peers reacted the polar opposite way and ridiculed them relentlessly.

Go figure

I am sooooo relieved that I am no longer part of the education system !!


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I find the bit in bold surprising. I have found that my son and all his friends barely bat an eyelid at any same sex / gender issues etc

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/lgbwiththet/status/1795907997052375115?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Something for the naive/stupid ‘we’re only protecting kids’ gang to digest

Yeah... I don't really agree with Posie's opinion on that, because it's a slippery slope.

[user104658]

I find the bit in bold surprising. I have found that my son and all his frie is barely bat an eyelid at any same sex / gender issues etc

Same up here, there's not really any drama about it all in schools any more. It fizzled out about 18 months ago, as should have been expected really. Trust the kids to sort it out for themselves :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

We had young girls aged around 14 in the high school I used to work in - wearing straps / bands around their chests .. presumably to flatten ?

No idea if it was a temporary measure or if it has long term effects ..

We also had 4 girls who decided they were boys over the summer holidays so were treated as boys when they returned in the new September term , name changes on school registration , different uniforms etc

We got to November and they had paired off so we had two pairs of boys ( were girls) dating each other !!

The staff were all very accepting and respectful but the vast majority of their peers reacted the polar opposite way and ridiculed them relentlessly.

Go figure

I am sooooo relieved that I am no longer part of the education system !!


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Maybe those girls played one too many Naughty Dog Games?:joker:

[Zizu]

I find the bit in bold surprising. I have found that my son and all his frie is barely bat an eyelid at any same sex / gender issues etc


Well their friends were obviously supportive but not the others .. plus individual personalities play a part also obviously


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[Crimson Dynamo]

I find the bit in bold surprising. I have found that my son and all his frie is barely bat an eyelid at any same sex / gender issues etc

that does not mean its right

young people are desperate to conform as past of their evolution

their tacit acceptance of things is not a green light ffs

Just look at the Muslim rape gangs in Northern towns..

have we as adults learned nothing?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Donna is getting her boobs cut off and her puberty stopped by a private profit clinic of adults looking to upgrade their Audis and no one in class 2A is bothered (understand what the fck is going on)

oh well the kids will sort it out among them

:skull:

[Glenn.]

Wow triggered.

[Glenn.]

I find the bit in bold surprising. I have found that my son and all his friends barely bat an eyelid at any same sex / gender issues etc

Depends on the environment they were dragged up in really. Hatred is taught. You only have to look at attitudes from GROWN “adults” on here.

[user104658]

Depends on the environment they were dragged up in really. Hatred is taught. You only have to look at attitudes from GROWN “adults” on here.

I don't know that that's even true to be fair, some nasty little fkers at my daughters school but no one seems to think much of it these days. Very different from when I was at school when being openly gay was definitely a target on people's back... Not many would brave coming out at school.

[Glenn.]

I don't know that that's even true to be fair, some nasty little fkers at my daughters school but no one seems to think much of it these days. Very different from when I was at school when being openly gay was definitely a target on people's back... Not many would brave coming out at school.

It was the same when I was at school. It’s a very tough few years if you’re LGBTQ. It’s better now somewhat but it’s not enough. Kinda feels like things are going backwards somewhat in places. It’s doesn’t help that heterosexuals have such a large dominant place in the lives of the LGBTQ community.

[Mystic Mock]

that does not mean its right

young people are desperate to conform as past of their evolution

their tacit acceptance of things is not a green light ffs

Just look at the Muslim rape gangs in Northern towns..

have we as adults learned nothing?

I'd like to believe that most people aren't supporting rape gangs of any kind tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd like to believe that most people aren't supporting rape gangs of any kind tbh.

they dont but they are happy to ignore them rather than being called racist by left wingers

that is sick

[Zizu]

Depends on the environment they were dragged up in really. Hatred is taught. You only have to look at attitudes from GROWN “adults” on here.


Yes .. speaking of how adults behave … I am a person/people watcher ..

On tonight’s BGT at the end the group of choir singers ( all adults) were directly up against about 6 children dancers and when the adults won they went crazy but didn’t offer one crumb of comfort to the gutted kidz


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[Mystic Mock]

they dont but they are happy to ignore them rather than being called racist by left wingers

that is sick

I remember the Police in Rotherham allowed the Muslim Paedo ring off for awhile a few years back for those reasons, which to me would never make me trust law enforcement in Rotherham for the rest of my life.

I would honestly prefer to be seen as a serial killer before being seen as a Paedophile, I genuinely despise Paedos, and the Rotherham Police covering for them because they fear being labeled as racist is disgusting, pathetic, and in my view a criminal offense as they were accomplices to the offenses.

Apologies for the rant.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes .. speaking of how adults behave … I am a person/people watcher ..

On tonight’s BGT at the end the group of choir singers ( all adults) were directly up against about 6 children dancers and when the adults won they went crazy but didn’t offer one crumb of comfort to the gutted kidz


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Talent Shows/Reality Shows can be an incredibly bitchy environment unfortunately for the kids.

[Oliver_W]

I don't know that that's even true to be fair, some nasty little fkers at my daughters school but no one seems to think much of it these days. Very different from when I was at school when being openly gay was definitely a target on people's back... Not many would brave coming out at school.

Yeah it doesn't really seem to be "a thing" these days.

This is anecdotal but sometimes if a gang of chavs walks past, I semi-expect them to shout "gaaaaay" as they would have done when I was younger, but they barely notice/care anymore.

[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling

Can you see what's driving this movement yet? Or is it still more comfortable
for you to pretend we're talking about a few vulnerable people with gender
dysphoria?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQr9YxVWEAEcBjI?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

I guess women got too uppitty and fancy wanting spaces away from men, what insanity is this

[GoldHeart]

I guess women got too uppitty and fancy wanting spaces away from men, what insanity is this

Thank goodness I don't use gyms anymore , It seems anyone can wander into women's changing rooms these days.

[Mystic Mock]

Transgender Americans rates of distress and depression have doubled since 2014, according to a study.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-06-distress-depression-transgender-americans.html

[user104658]

Transgender Americans rates of distress and depression have doubled since 2014, according to a study.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-06-distress-depression-transgender-americans.html

The rates of anxiety and depression in the trans community have risen dramatically as numbers of people with miscellaneous mental health problems have attached themselves to the gender-ideology community as a crutch and used transitioning as temporary catharsis.

What a shock and surprise!

Nothing bugs me more than academics who don't properly control their own data and findings because they don't understand their own variables... except, perhaps, "academics" who understand their variables perfectly well but choose to skew their own findings to suit an agenda.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/oolon/status/1808122528331645183?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

I am truly shocked that this very obvious thing is being revealed

[Zizu]

Transgender Americans rates of distress and depression have doubled since 2014, according to a study.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-06-distress-depression-transgender-americans.html


When did this trans thing become a ‘thing’ ??


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[Zizu]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240703/0dabed112f85f54c88958994c636a2c9.jpg


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[Mystic Mock]

When did this trans thing become a ‘thing’ ??


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Well I first knew about the community thanks to Nadia from BB5.

Tbf I was about 7 years old at the time.:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Transgender brags about using the women’s toilet and tells women there is
“nothing you can do to stop” him.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRwScqSWQAE8ov_?format=jpg&name=medium

taunting aggression

[Beso]

Transgender brags about using the women’s toilet and tells women there is
“nothing you can do to stop” him.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRwScqSWQAE8ov_?format=jpg&name=medium

taunting aggression

Tbh, most women I know would knock the fick out of that if it tried anything.

So what's the problem?

[Beso]

Well I first knew about the community thanks to Nadia from BB5.

Tbf I was about 7 years old at the time.:laugh:

That's when it was cool. Now it's just a hobby for most

[Mystic Mock]

Transgender brags about using the women’s toilet and tells women there is
“nothing you can do to stop” him.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRwScqSWQAE8ov_?format=jpg&name=medium

taunting aggression

She's got my teeth.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

That's when it was cool. Now it's just a hobby for most

I'm sure that some of them are genuine tbf.

[GoldHeart]

Transgender brags about using the women’s toilet and tells women there is
“nothing you can do to stop” him.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRwScqSWQAE8ov_?format=jpg&name=medium

taunting aggression

Oh they'll be plenty more cases like this to come , and it won't even be from trans women trying to pass, it will just be full blown predatory men= full beard and moustache - and shaven head ......... as bold as anything walking into women's spaces to make them feel uncomfortable whilst they laugh in the faces.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Former SNP equalities officer who wanted ‘to beat up terfs’ jailed for sexual
assaults

Cameron Downing also found guilty of domestic abuse where he threatened to
falsely accuse a former partner of raping him

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/07/16/TELEMMGLPICT000385800038_17211410203720_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqEircf1IJXxGlXQAQ-RxKS34ihL9D5G77hk2Gx25ScXg.jpeg?imwidth=600

A former SNP equalities officer who told how he wanted to “beat the f—” out
of gender critical feminists is a “dangerous” predator, prosecutors have said
after he was jailed for a series of sexual assaults.

Cameron Downing, who was an official in the SNP’s London branch, was
sentenced to six years in prison at the High Court in Edinburgh.

He was convicted of sexually assaulting six young adults and physically
assaulting two women.

His conduct online has been criticised by JK Rowling, after he wrote on
Twitter that he wanted to “beat the f— out of some terfs and transphobes”.
He also tweeted “I f—ing hate terfs and transphobes with such a passion.”


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/16/former-snp-equalities-officer-jailed-sexual-assaults/

[GoldHeart]

Former SNP equalities officer who wanted ‘to beat up terfs’ jailed for sexual
assaults

Cameron Downing also found guilty of domestic abuse where he threatened to
falsely accuse a former partner of raping him

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/07/16/TELEMMGLPICT000385800038_17211410203720_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqEircf1IJXxGlXQAQ-RxKS34ihL9D5G77hk2Gx25ScXg.jpeg?imwidth=600

A former SNP equalities officer who told how he wanted to “beat the f—” out
of gender critical feminists is a “dangerous” predator, prosecutors have said
after he was jailed for a series of sexual assaults.

Cameron Downing, who was an official in the SNP’s London branch, was
sentenced to six years in prison at the High Court in Edinburgh.

He was convicted of sexually assaulting six young adults and physically
assaulting two women.

His conduct online has been criticised by JK Rowling, after he wrote on
Twitter that he wanted to “beat the f— out of some terfs and transphobes”.
He also tweeted “I f—ing hate terfs and transphobes with such a passion.”


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/16/former-snp-equalities-officer-jailed-sexual-assaults/


Disgusting creep

I won't be surprised if sales of pepper sprays & safety alarms go up ! .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Unwanted pavement propaganda by khan painted over in East London

https://www.thepinknews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Forest-Gate-Pride-flags.jpg

[Glenn.]

The bigots really are triggered huh

[Crimson Dynamo]

The bigots really are triggered huh

no they dont want sex propaganda on the streets where children play

which is understandable

as I'm sure you agree?

:shrug:

[Glenn.]

Sex propaganda? :joker: :joker:

[Glenn.]

If you look at a pride flag and think sex then I think you’re the problem there, not the flag.

Weird as ****

[GoldHeart]

If you look at a pride flag and think sex then I think you’re the problem there, not the flag.

Weird as ****

Well sexual orientation is to do with sex aswell as attraction .

[user104658]

Well sexual orientation is to do with sex aswell as attraction .

I mean it's 100% about attraction, but of course worth remembering that attraction and relationships are not just about sex (very immature to think they are)

[Crimson Dynamo]

The pathetic Glasgow "we have no money to fix pot holes or empty bins" Council have this
week painted that propaganda flag in the Merchant City

I hope it does not get very swiftly vandalised :worry:

[GoldHeart]

I mean it's 100% about attraction, but of course worth remembering that attraction and relationships are not just about sex (very immature to think they are)


Well tell that to the ones dressing inappropriately in kink gear at parades. It keeps being made more & more sexual & adult themed despite families going to these events.

[Glenn.]

But even still. If you think of sex when you see a pride flag then that’s a you problem and it’s very weird.

I’m gay and I don’t think about sex when I see a pride flag…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well tell that to the ones dressing inappropriately in kink gear at parades. It keeps being made more & more sexual & adult themed despite families going to these events.

Be as well calling them sex fetish parades

:umm2:

[user104658]

Well tell that to the ones dressing inappropriately in kink gear at parades. It keeps being made more & more sexual & adult themed despite families going to these events.

I agree with that and frankly I'm genuinely baffled that the LGBTQ community itself doesn't have more of an issue with the conflation of gender & sexuality with "kink culture".

I would argue 'til the day I die that homosexuality/bisexuality are absolutely not kinks in any way shape or form. Any reasonable person knows this. Some people would like to paint these things as such and it becomes - surely - much harder to defend the truth when pride marches are being increasingly taken over by furries, age-play, autogynephilia and people in bondage gear. I do personally know multiple gay couples who are lowkey furious about it. I'd have thought there'd be more - but maybe it's just difficult to be outspoken without backlash.

Transgenderism is of course where it all kicks off because trans in itself is not a kink BUT some niche transgenderism is autogynephilic and rooted in kink, and where that is the case, allowing those individuals who identify as trans (but are quite clearly conceptually nothing like the average transperson) into women and children's spaces is where the risk lies.

Basically 99% of the problem could be solved by admitting that there is a clear and distinct difference, and that kink-based transgenderism is NOT in the same category as transgenderism rooted in dysphoria. It is a completely different thing.

And yet all of it is lumped under just one umbrella. Dozens if not hundreds of different social psychologies "grouped" as being thematically similar when they are plainly and simply not.

I get why it happened - a louder voice, and safety in numbers - but honestly I reckon the snake is absolutely starting to eat it's own tail.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree with that and frankly I'm genuinely baffled that the LGBTQ community itself doesn't have more of an issue with the conflation of gender & sexuality with "kink culture".

I would argue 'til the day I die that homosexuality/bisexuality are absolutely not kinks in any way shape or form. Any reasonable person knows this. Some people would like to paint these things as such and it becomes - surely - much harder to defend the truth when pride marches are being increasingly taken over by furries, age-play, autogynephilia and people in bondage gear. I do personally know multiple gay couples who are lowkey furious about it. I'd have thought there'd be more - but maybe it's just difficult to be outspoken without backlash.

Transgenderism is of course where it all kicks off because trans in itself is not a kink BUT some niche transgenderism is autogynephilic and rooted in kink, and where that is the case, allowing those individuals who identify as trans (but are quite clearly conceptually nothing like the average transperson) into women and children's spaces is where the risk lies.

Basically 99% of the problem could be solved by admitting that there is a clear and distinct difference, and that kink-based transgenderism is NOT in the same category as transgenderism rooted in dysphoria. It is a completely different thing.

And yet all of it is lumped under just one umbrella. Dozens if not hundreds of different social psychologies "grouped" as being thematically similar when they are plainly and simply not.

I get why it happened - a louder voice, and safety in numbers - but honestly I reckon the snake is absolutely starting to eat it's own tail.

:clap1:

[GoldHeart]

I agree with that and frankly I'm genuinely baffled that the LGBTQ community itself doesn't have more of an issue with the conflation of gender & sexuality with "kink culture".

I would argue 'til the day I die that homosexuality/bisexuality are absolutely not kinks in any way shape or form. Any reasonable person knows this. Some people would like to paint these things as such and it becomes - surely - much harder to defend the truth when pride marches are being increasingly taken over by furries, age-play, autogynephilia and people in bondage gear. I do personally know multiple gay couples who are lowkey furious about it. I'd have thought there'd be more - but maybe it's just difficult to be outspoken without backlash.

Transgenderism is of course where it all kicks off because trans in itself is not a kink BUT some niche transgenderism is autogynephilic and rooted in kink, and where that is the case, allowing those individuals who identify as trans (but are quite clearly conceptually nothing like the average transperson) into women and children's spaces is where the risk lies.

Basically 99% of the problem could be solved by admitting that there is a clear and distinct difference, and that kink-based transgenderism is NOT in the same category as transgenderism rooted in dysphoria. It is a completely different thing.

And yet all of it is lumped under just one umbrella. Dozens if not hundreds of different social psychologies "grouped" as being thematically similar when they are plainly and simply not.

I get why it happened - a louder voice, and safety in numbers - but honestly I reckon the snake is absolutely starting to eat it's own tail.


Well that's the problem which I've said myself ..... everything is shoved under the same umbrella which is very problematic.

I wish more would stand up against it aswell.

[hijaxers]

Well that's the problem which I've said myself ..... everything is shoved under the same umbrella which is very problematic.

I wish more would stand up against it aswell.

Yep, but it always seems to be the extreme people with the loudest voices sadly they seem to shut everyone else down.

[Beso]

But even still. If you think of sex when you see a pride flag then that’s a you problem and it’s very weird.

I’m gay and I don’t think about sex when I see a pride flag…

What if you see a bloated old bear all beardy and hairy dancing underneath it clad only in a rubber dildo strap on.? Like you get on saturday afternoons at pride?

[Beso]

They are the people stealing your flag glenn.

[Mystic Mock]

I mean it's 100% about attraction, but of course worth remembering that attraction and relationships are not just about sex (very immature to think they are)

This news has shattered my reality.:bawling:

[Mystic Mock]

Well tell that to the ones dressing inappropriately in kink gear at parades. It keeps being made more & more sexual & adult themed despite families going to these events.

Parents tbh shouldn't let their children mix with the strangers in those outfits, just as a precaution.

I'm sure that most of them wearing those outfits are just having a laugh, but parents do have a responsibility to make sure that their children aren't exposed to too much adult material, I'd say the same if children were being exposed to women in kinky outfits too.

If I was a parent taking my child to a Pride Parade, they would only be allowed to talk to the strangers that were dressed in a non-sexual way.

[Mystic Mock]

Be as well calling them sex fetish parades

:umm2:

I don't believe that's their main intent.

The Media just love to run negative stories on groups.

[GoldHeart]

Parents tbh shouldn't let their children mix with the strangers in those outfits, just as a precaution.

I'm sure that most of them wearing those outfits are just having a laugh, but parents do have a responsibility to make sure that their children aren't exposed to too much adult material, I'd say the same if children were being exposed to women in kinky outfits too.

If I was a parent taking my child to a Pride Parade, they would only be allowed to talk to the strangers that were dressed in a non-sexual way.

I'm not sure if there's any appropriate parades out there ,they all seem full of adult rated stuff. Every time there's the normal people...it always gets invaded by the more outrageous folk .

[Oliver_W]

What if you see a bloated old bear all beardy and hairy dancing underneath it clad only in a rubber dildo strap on.? Like you get on saturday afternoons at pride?

Kink should absolutely not be in daytime/"family friendly" Pride events. I can't see any reasonable person disagreeing with that.

[Glenn.]

What if you see a bloated old bear all beardy and hairy dancing underneath it clad only in a rubber dildo strap on.? Like you get on saturday afternoons at pride?

No.

Anyone that looks a pride flag and immediately thinks of sex is a weirdo. You all know this and if you don’t think that then it’s you that has the problem. If your mind goes straight to sex when you look at a flag then you’re a pervert.

[Mystic Mock]

No.

Anyone that looks a pride flag and immediately thinks of sex is a weirdo. You all know this and if you don’t think that then it’s you that has the problem. If your mind goes straight to sex when you look at a flag then you’re a pervert.

I don't know tbh Glenn.

The American flag always symbolizes sex to me.:hehe:

Being serious, I think that the Media hasn't helped in all forms (not just Journalistic Media tbf) in the sense that every time there's two gay men on the same set, the Media will always try to find a way of turning it sexual.

I think that the same thing has happened with the Pride and Trans flags too, and in fairness to a lot of the public, constantly being told to (subconsciously of course) think of sex when talking about gay men, it's going to start catching on.

Tbh the Media likes to bogeyman the public when the public in general think of a group in a negative way, and it's the Media a lot of the time that's subtlety spreading the vitriol.

And they would love how divided this Forum is on Politics.

[Glenn.]

There’s a lot of that on here. People talking about gay people and their minds immediately go to sex. It’s perverse.

Such a strange viewpoint. No wonder the bigots are so triggered by everything. They’re sick

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/21/17/87591891-13656413-image-a-3_1721581122188.jpg

[Mystic Mock]

There’s a lot of that on here. People talking about gay people and their minds immediately go to sex. It’s perverse.

Such a strange viewpoint. No wonder the bigots are so triggered by everything. They’re sick

I agree with you that sometimes on here harmless things to do with LGBT themes can get harshly scrutinized.

I do think that partially though, TV Shows and News Stations do sometimes have a bad habit of emphasizing sexuality over the person as an individual, and as weird as it is to say to some people, but a fair amount of people do get their ideas off of places such as TV and Social Media.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Graphic:
At the family friendly official Portland Pride Parade in downtown
@PortlandGov
on July 21, a man marches in the middle of the street exposing his genitals
and the c—k ring he’s wearing right in front of very small children. The parade is organized by
@PDXPrideNW
.


https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1815146483521654931

[Zizu]

This ‘person’ gets my goat ..

Sky showed a clip of Chelsea women FC earlier with this huge beast rampaging through some poor defenceless defence ..

‘She’ looked a good 6” taller , broad shoulders and more ‘tellingly’ …. ‘she’ ran just like a bloke !!

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[Beso]

Parents should gave their kids taken away from them for exposing them to stuff like that.

[Swan]

Supposed to be a great game.

I've got NBA 2k24 coming out Friday, then AC Mirage and Spiderman 2, so it's going to have to wait a while before I eventually get round to playing it. Pretty sure it's first person, too, so I might not even give it a whizz.

It's on GamePass so personally I'd say just pay the £7.99 or whatever for a month's sub and play it on that rather than forking out on Steam.

It's Bethesda though so it will inevitably be a 10x better game in a year when the modding community has torn it apart and rebuilt it, and I doubt you can mod the GamePass version fully (script extenders probably violate the EULA) so I'll be buying a copy eventually. But on release I'd try it out on GamePass. It's only a few £.

This ‘person’ gets my goat ..

Sky showed a clip of Chelsea women FC earlier with this huge beast rampaging through some poor defenceless defence ..

‘She’ looked a good 6” taller , broad shoulders and more ‘tellingly’ …. ‘she’ ran just like a bloke !!

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Epic. Chelsea fans, as adoring and historically and will 100% accept this new player.

[Cherie]

Graphic:
At the family friendly official Portland Pride Parade in downtown
@PortlandGov
on July 21, a man marches in the middle of the street exposing his genitals
and the c—k ring he’s wearing right in front of very small children. The parade is organized by
@PDXPrideNW
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I am sure Glenn will be along shortly to explain this one away, what gets me is no one from the organisers to the participants to the police appear to have anything to say to this guy, apart from the obvious I am sure he is breaking decency laws

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am sure Glenn will be along shortly to explain this one away, what gets me is no one from the organisers to the participants to the police appear to have anything to say to this guy, apart from the obvious I am sure he is breaking decency laws

what sick parents would take small children to so and watch this

baffling

[Glenn.]

Portland. Which has a naked cycle race annually? That Portland? The same Portland that has many many naturist hotels etc.

[Glenn.]

Also not sure what this has to do with transgender people?

[Cherie]

Also not sure what this has to do with transgender people?

Are they not all under the Pride banner now?

[Cherie]

Portland. Which has a naked cycle race annually? That Portland? The same Portland that has many many naturist hotels etc.

:facepalm: of course naturists and getting your erect tackle out at a family friendly parade are completely the same thing ....

[Oliver_W]

:facepalm: of course naturists and getting your erect tackle out at a family friendly parade are completely the same thing ....

It probably wouldn't have been erect if not for the "families" ...

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm: of course naturists and getting your erect tackle out at a family friendly parade are completely the same thing ....

and not advertised as family-friendly

whoever was responsible for that should have his phone and laptop seized

[Cherie]

It probably wouldn't have been erect if not for the "families" ...

Its the fact that it is defended as perfectly normal that is mind blowing, why not be truthful and say this is not acceptable rather than trying to gloss over this behaviour

If I saw someone marching along like this during a St Patricks Day parade he
would be arrested for sure

the fear of being called something something phobic is too great it seems

[Mystic Mock]

This ‘person’ gets my goat ..

Sky showed a clip of Chelsea women FC earlier with this huge beast rampaging through some poor defenceless defence ..

‘She’ looked a good 6” taller , broad shoulders and more ‘tellingly’ …. ‘she’ ran just like a bloke !!

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Is she definitely Trans or is she just a bit butch looking?

Chelsea Women's team needs to play Melanie Leupolz more often, or at least loan her out to us.

[Zizu]

Is she definitely Trans or is she just a bit butch looking?

Chelsea Women's team needs to play Melanie Leupolz more often, or at least loan her out to us.


Its a bloke .. and Colombian guys are rough .

I don’t think it’s fair that ‘she’s is allowed to play against women


When you see clips its like a teenager playing against under 10’s

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[Mystic Mock]

Its a bloke .. and Colombian guys are rough .

I don’t think it’s fair that ‘she’s is allowed to play against women


When you see clips its like a teenager playing against under 10’s

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If she's Transgender, then I do agree that it's unfair to have her playing against Biological women.

[GoldHeart]

Its a bloke .. and Colombian guys are rough .

I don’t think it’s fair that ‘she’s is allowed to play against women


When you see clips its like a teenager playing against under 10’s

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The fact that people still think this is ok .. is mind blowing :bored:, whether they like it or not men & women have biological differences and this is unfair
when it comes to sports .

[Alf]

There’s a lot of that on here. People talking about gay people and their minds immediately go to sex. It’s perverse.

Such a strange viewpoint. No wonder the bigots are so triggered by everything. They’re sickYou're right, such a strange viewpoint. Besides being sick or bigoted. What possible evidence could they have for these claims?


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[Beso]

They like a bit of rape in these gay bars...

Bloom, in Manchester's Gay Village, had its licence revoked after a committee heard details of 38 violent or sexual offences at the venue this year.

[Glenn.]

They like a bit of rape in these gay bars...

Bloom, in Manchester's Gay Village, had its licence revoked after a committee heard details of 38 violent or sexual offences at the venue this year.

An estimated 1.1 million adults aged 16 and over experienced sexual assault. This breaks down to 798,000 women and 275,000 men.

I mean it’s still the heterosexuals flying the flag for rape. Well done though guys!

[Beso]

An estimated 1.1 million adults aged 16 and over experienced sexual assault. This breaks down to 798,000 women and 275,000 men.

I mean it’s still the heterosexuals flying the flag for rape. Well done though guys!

How many in one place?

[Cherie]

An estimated 1.1 million adults aged 16 and over experienced sexual assault. This breaks down to 798,000 women and 275,000 men.

I mean it’s still the heterosexuals flying the flag for rape. Well done though guys!

Im not really into..you...no you...no you posts, but that seems a hell of a lot of men being sexually assaulted given heterosexuals would be the main demographic in the country :shrug:

[Cherie]

You're right, such a strange viewpoint. Besides being sick or bigoted. What possible evidence could they have for these claims?


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sorry am I reading that right former owner Duncan is the drag Queen performing for children? who could have known paedos would exploits people's appetite to be be so right on they would bring their kids

[Glenn.]

Im not really into..you...no you...no you posts, but that seems a hell of a lot of men being sexually assaulted given heterosexuals would be the main demographic in the country :shrug:

But statistically it’s more STRAIGHT men. I’m just pointing that out to parm as it seems he’s trying to make it a “look how terrible gay people are” when it’s the heteros causing even more sexual violence than the gays. Regardless of where they occur.

[user104658]

But statistically it’s more STRAIGHT men. I’m just pointing that out to parm as it seems he’s trying to make it a “look how terrible gay people are” when it’s the heteros causing even more sexual violence than the gays. Regardless of where they occur.

Uhh... that's not a great interpretation of that data to be fair Glenn, the fact that over 1/4 of the sexual assaults are on men, when perpetrators are by and large (95%+) male, and homosexual men make up far less than 25% of the overall population... ... ... it actually suggests that there is proportionately more male-on-male sexual assault than male-on-female, by quite a significant margin.

Dislclaimer: I haven't actually looked into these stats for accuracy at all, this is purely based on the numbers you're giving, you haven't accounted at all for the proportional differences in population size.

[Glenn.]

Also not accounting for women sexually assaulting men either.

I was merely giving an example to Parms “gays like to rape”

[Beso]

When you say far less, you mean about 1.8 percent are gay males..making Glenn's stupid stats even worse.

[Beso]

Also not accounting for women sexually assaulting men either.

I was merely giving an example to Parms “gays like to rape”

Or women assaulting women..

[Glenn.]

When you say far less, you mean about 1.8 percent are gay males..making Glenn's stupid stats even worse.

It’s actually 0.009% as nearly half of gay and bi men have reported sexual violence.

[user104658]

Also not accounting for women sexually assaulting men either.

Basically insignificant numbers in terms of stats. Sexual violence (against both men and women) is, for the most part, carried out by men. It's obviously not impossible and does happen, but it is absolutely worth noting that the majority of sexual offenses (as with all violent offenses in general) against men are carried out by other men.

Anyway like I said I didn't check your data I'm just interpreting the data you gave and pointing out that it actually indicates that gay men actually are at increased risk of sexual assault (from men, who are, one assumes, not entirely straight). I don't think it shows what you hope it shows; taken at face value and adjusting for scale, that data actually backs up the claim that there's proportionately and statistically more risk of sexual violence in the gay community than the wider population. No agenda - that's just what the figures you give (taken in isolation) show.

There are of course also various reasons for this that have more to do with situational risk than sexuality.

[Glenn.]

an estimated 3.3% of women (798,000) and 1.2% of men (275,000) aged 16 years and over experienced sexual assault (including attempts) in the last year
a higher proportion of adults aged 16 to 24 years were victims of sexual assault in the last year compared with those aged 25 years and over
a higher proportion of full-time students were victims of sexual assault in the last year than those in any other occupation type
a higher proportion of single adults were victims of more sexual assault in the last year than those with any other marital status


I mean it’s still more women.

Women commit sexual violence to men and I just really half of gay and bi men experience sexual violence and if parms number of 1.8% is right that means roughly 0.009%

[Beso]

My 1.8 percent was the total of gay men in uk...

[GoldHeart]

Or women assaulting women..

It's probably less reported . Same goes for when women assault men...we hear less about it . But then saying that ... there's been a weird rise in female teachers grooming male pupils.

But statistically it’s more STRAIGHT men. I’m just pointing that out to parm as it seems he’s trying to make it a “look how terrible gay people are” when it’s the heteros causing even more sexual violence than the gays. Regardless of where they occur.

Well overall I'd agree, it's mostly men assaulting women. But as for the stats...I'm not sure how accurate it is... as like I say there's so much unreported :shrug: . Then there's the population of people etc.

[Glenn.]

My 1.8 percent was the total of gay men in uk...

Then it’s 0.009% of sexual violence between gay and bisexual men

[user104658]

an estimated 3.3% of women (798,000) and 1.2% of men (275,000) aged 16 years and over experienced sexual assault (including attempts) in the last year
a higher proportion of adults aged 16 to 24 years were victims of sexual assault in the last year compared with those aged 25 years and over
a higher proportion of full-time students were victims of sexual assault in the last year than those in any other occupation type
a higher proportion of single adults were victims of more sexual assault in the last year than those with any other marital status


I mean it’s still more women.

Women commit sexual violence to men and I just really half of gay and bi men experience sexual violence and if parms number of 1.8% is right that means roughly 0.009%

He's talking about the officially reported proportion of gay to straight males in the general population (1.8% vs 98.2% straight), which makes the proportionate difference far worse and frankly shocking for your stat about near 50% victim rate is accurate.

That said, I would disregard that whole statistic (1.8%) entirely - I doubt it's even close to being accurate (it'll be higher), I wouldn't even factor it in at all.

It is of course more women - the majority of those experiencing sexual violence are female by a very large margin, and the majority of sexual violence perps are straight men, also by a very large margin.

But we're talking about proportionate risk which means you have to factor in the ratio of straight men to gave men in the population, and scale for population size before talking about thee base numbers.

The stats you've given scaled for population say that sexual violence in the gay community is a proportionately bigger problem than in the general population. Now... I suspect that's probably accurate, I think it's widely known and not particularly controversial to say, and like I said the reasons for it are a totally separate discussion... but effectively that's what Parmy was pointing at with his unarguably offensive post. The real issue is just the way it was framed. "Sexual violence is a problem in the gay community" isn't a problematic statement. Saying "Gay folks like rape" - obviously - is a different story.

[user104658]

Then it’s 0.009% of sexual violence between gay and bisexual men

I'm sorry Glenn genuinely this is a total stats fail 0.009% relates to absolutely nothing that's been said in this thread.

[Beso]

1.8 percent of uk males are gay...

A quarter of reported sex crimes are inflicted upon men.


Assuming its mostly male on male one can only follow the stats and those stats prove their are a lot if perverts in the gay male community.

Stats dont lie, and neither do I

[Glenn.]

It's probably less reported . Same goes for when women assault men...we hear less about it . But then saying that ... there's been a weird rise in female teachers grooming male pupils.



Well overall I'd agree, it's mostly men assaulting women. But as for the stats...I'm not sure how accurate it is... as like I say there's so much unreported :shrug: . Then there's the population of people etc.

It’s hard to find statistics but I found one that said nearly 45% of gay and bisexual men are victims of sexual violence.

[Glenn.]

I'm sorry Glenn genuinely this is a total stats fail 0.009% relates to absolutely nothing that's been said in this thread.

Well if 1.8% is the percentage of gay men and nearly half (45%) have experienced sexual violence. I just halved 1.8%

[user104658]

It’s hard to find statistics but I found one that said nearly 45% of gay and bisexual men are victims of sexual violence.

Honestly it seems like you're arguing against your own point here though? Like I said I think the stats are right and I think it's generally well understood that, for a whole host of reasons, sexual violence within the gay community is a huge problem.

But your initial point was that "it's still heterosexuals flying the flag for sexual violence".

But you now seem to be pointing out that gay men are at increased risk of sexual violence -- the vast majority of which will be perpetrated by other men.

These are diametrically opposed arguments?

[user104658]

Well if 1.8% is the percentage of gay men and nearly half (45%) have experienced sexual violence. I just halved 1.8%

Well for one that would be 0.9% not 0.009% and for two that would be saying:

"0.9% of the overall general population are gay men who have experienced sexual assault"

Which (by these numbers) is correct as a statement, but it doesn't really mean anything :think:.

[GoldHeart]

It’s hard to find statistics but I found one that said nearly 45% of gay and bisexual men are victims of sexual violence.

That doesn't surprise me tbh ,I remember on the news quite awhile ago a guy saying he was groped in a club...
I think it was a gay bar. It was highlighting the risks ... especially when people are out partying.

And I've seen videos online of women promoting the special glass cover ,to make it harder for people to spike their drinks.

[Glenn.]

Well for one that would be 0.9% not 0.009% and for two that would be saying:

"0.9% of the overall general population are gay men who have experienced sexual assault"

Which (by these numbers) is correct as a statement, but it doesn't really mean anything :think:.

Well the calculator came out with 0.009% not me.

And either way that’s the percentage of gay related sexual crimes.

[Niamh.]

Well the calculator came out with 0.009% not me.

And either way that’s the percentage of gay related sexual crimes.

It's around 52% of women who experience sexual assault so quite close to the percentage of gay men as victims. What that tells me is it doesn't really matter if a man is straight or gay, men in general are by far the biggest perpetrators of sexual assaults

[user104658]

And either way that’s the percentage of gay related sexual crimes.

It isn't. I dunno what to say. Both the maths and the interpretation are just not correct.

[user104658]

It's around 52% of women who experience sexual assault so quite close to the percentage of gay men as victims. What that tells me is it doesn't really matter if a man is straight or gay, men in general are by far the biggest perpetrators of sexual assaults

For me I suspect if you boiled down all factors that's what would come out in the wash -- there's a proportion of men who are perpetrators of sexual assault, and sexuality doesn't really seem to make much if any difference at all, other than that straight men assault women and gay men assault men.

More or less impossible to compile ACTUAL stats on that though because of the number of other considerations and factors that play into the numbers.

[Beso]

If you go by percentages there is a massive difference in the percentage of straight offenders compared to gay offenders. Once you add the sexual orientation of the offenders into things it makes for some shocking statistics that dont shine a good light on the gay community.

[Beso]

In short, if you are gay, you are more likely to offend or be a victim than straight males and females.

[user104658]

If you go by percentages there is a massive difference in the percentage of straight offenders compared to gay offenders. Once you add the sexual orientation of the offenders into things it makes for some shocking statistics that dont shine a good light on the gay community.

By the stats it doesn't but two of the stats in particular are generally thought to be not correct as officially reported

1) The number of women who experience assaults (and thus the number of straight male offenders) is wildly under-reported, and rates of successful charges are low even when they are reported.

2) 1.8% is an official census stats/ONS data for homosexuality and is highly likely to be lower than the actual figure, which is probably over 5%, and will be especially relevant when it comes to assaults, as a large number of assaults on men-by-men will be carried out by men who are not openly gay.

[edit] That said, sexual violence is a problem in the LGBTQ community, that's a known thing and not a particularly controversial thing to say. The reasons for that are many and varied. It's not really acceptable to use it to cast aspersions.

[Beso]

Just acceptable to ignore it instead is it?

[Oliver_W]

Well the calculator came out with 0.009% not me.

You need a calculator to half 1.8? Why? It's exactly the same as halving 18, but you move the decimal point.

And I guarantee no calculator had trouble with dividing 1.8 by 2 ... that is the problem you entered into your calculator, right?

[user104658]

Just acceptable to ignore it instead is it?

On here, in the public in general, or professionals? People on here (all of us it seems) have our reasons for the things we say/admit, in the public realm :shrug: maybe it is or isn't a known and talked about thing I'm not sure, but I do know for a fact that it's a well understood thing in professional terms / academically / in the NHS etc... all judgement aside (as it should be really) the LGBTQ community experiences high levels of risk and sexual violence and sexually transmitted infection. It's important to understand that simply from the perspective of managing/limiting that risk for people. I think most gay people are all too aware of that. The issue is when people start using these things to make assumptions or cast aspersions about the character of gay people in general which is unambiguously just homophobic.

[Glenn.]

On here, in the public in general, or professionals? People on here (all of us it seems) have our reasons for the things we say/admit, in the public realm :shrug: maybe it is or isn't a known and talked about thing I'm not sure, but I do know for a fact that it's a well understood thing in professional terms / academically / in the NHS etc... all judgement aside (as it should be really) the LGBTQ community experiences high levels of risk and sexual violence and sexually transmitted infection. It's important to understand that simply from the perspective of managing/limiting that risk for people. I think most gay people are all too aware of that. The issue is when people start using these things to make assumptions or cast aspersions about the character of gay people in general which is unambiguously just homophobic.

Parm being homophobic is his character trait now

[bots]

You need a calculator to half 1.8? Why? It's exactly the same as halving 18, but you move the decimal point.

And I guarantee no calculator had trouble with dividing 1.8 by 2 ... that is the problem you entered into your calculator, right?

1.8 divided by 2 is 0.9, but if .9 is then converted to a % (ie its further divided by 100) then it becomes 0.009. :laugh:

[user104658]

1.8 divided by 2 is 0.9, but if .9 is then converted to a % (ie its further divided by 100) then it becomes 0.009. :laugh:

But it was already a percentage :think:. You don't have to make a percentage of your percentage.

[bots]

But it was already a percentage :think:. You don't have to make a percentage of your percentage.

i know :laugh:

[Beso]

Parm being homophobic is his character trait now

And what were you being when you falsely claimed straight males rule the roost when it comes to sexual assaults.?

[Glenn.]

And what were you being when you falsely claimed straight males rule the roost when it comes to sexual assaults.?

They do

[Crimson Dynamo]

my this has been rather enlightening!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hulking transgender athletes take gold, silver and bronze spots on female
podium at Washington cycling championship

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/23/20/87638827-13660579-Transgender_cyclists_Jenna_Lingwood_Jordan_Lothrop _and_Eva_Lin_a-a-9_1721761930063.jpg

Transgender athletes (Biological Men) swept the board in a 1-2-3 at a
prestigious women's cycle race over the weekend, infuriating fans and leaving
female competitors in the shade.


Every medalist in the elite women's Madison at Washington's Marymore
Grand Prix on Friday had a trans athlete on the two–person team, marking
the first time trans women are known to have had a place on every podium
spot in a race.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13660579/transgender-athletes-female-Washinton-cycling-championship.html

[Zizu]

Hulking transgender athletes take gold, silver and bronze spots on female
podium at Washington cycling championship

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/23/20/87638827-13660579-Transgender_cyclists_Jenna_Lingwood_Jordan_Lothrop _and_Eva_Lin_a-a-9_1721761930063.jpg

Transgender athletes (Biological Men) swept the board in a 1-2-3 at a
prestigious women's cycle race over the weekend, infuriating fans and leaving
female competitors in the shade.


Every medalist in the elite women's Madison at Washington's Marymore
Grand Prix on Friday had a trans athlete on the two–person team, marking
the first time trans women are known to have had a place on every podium
spot in a race.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13660579/transgender-athletes-female-Washinton-cycling-championship.html


It’s absolute bollox

This nonsense will ruin sports if its not regulated better

All the records will be out of the reach for real women and thats a tragedy..


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[Mystic Mock]

And what were you being when you falsely claimed straight males rule the roost when it comes to sexual assaults.?

Can we all agree that men in general are the bigger perpetrators of sexual assault?

[Mystic Mock]

Hulking transgender athletes take gold, silver and bronze spots on female
podium at Washington cycling championship

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/23/20/87638827-13660579-Transgender_cyclists_Jenna_Lingwood_Jordan_Lothrop _and_Eva_Lin_a-a-9_1721761930063.jpg

Transgender athletes (Biological Men) swept the board in a 1-2-3 at a
prestigious women's cycle race over the weekend, infuriating fans and leaving
female competitors in the shade.


Every medalist in the elite women's Madison at Washington's Marymore
Grand Prix on Friday had a trans athlete on the two–person team, marking
the first time trans women are known to have had a place on every podium
spot in a race.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13660579/transgender-athletes-female-Washinton-cycling-championship.html

The one on the winning team definitely looks out of place.:laugh:

People on here know my opinion on Transwomen competing in women's Sports, it isn't fair to the female athletes imo.

[Cherie]

Hulking transgender athletes take gold, silver and bronze spots on female
podium at Washington cycling championship

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/23/20/87638827-13660579-Transgender_cyclists_Jenna_Lingwood_Jordan_Lothrop _and_Eva_Lin_a-a-9_1721761930063.jpg

Transgender athletes (Biological Men) swept the board in a 1-2-3 at a
prestigious women's cycle race over the weekend, infuriating fans and leaving
female competitors in the shade.


Every medalist in the elite women's Madison at Washington's Marymore
Grand Prix on Friday had a trans athlete on the two–person team, marking
the first time trans women are known to have had a place on every podium
spot in a race.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13660579/transgender-athletes-female-Washinton-cycling-championship.html


Nothing to see here, this will never happen, women need to shut up and stop being bigots and just accept this with meek subservience...(look at the intact tackle on the lady in the middle, all perfectly normal)

[Crimson Dynamo]

New Labour Culture Secretary steps into controversy over trans athletes in women’s sports


Biologically male competitors should be allowed to take part alongside women,
says Labour’s Lisa Nandy who has never played any competitive sport and does not care if anyone gets injured


72 trans-identifying male players in women’s football in England alone

No transman eager to go up against men in sport, only goes one way

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2024/07/23/TELEMMGLPICT000386524931_17217501383570_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4Bq_5E43gDERhcXj9P7g5HaFxhre41PiJJBmS2lilRYJs E.jpeg?imwidth=960

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/23/culture-secretary-lisa-nandy-trans-athletes-womens-sports/

[user104658]

I'm not shelling out hard-earned cash to get around a MSM paywall LT... how is it that you can read this?

(Legitimately though I would like to see the full context of what's been said to decide if it's worrying or has been oversimplified)

[Zizu]

New Labour Culture Secretary steps into controversy over trans athletes in women’s sports


Biologically male competitors should be allowed to take part alongside women,
says Labour’s Lisa Nandy who has never played any competitive sport and does not care if anyone gets injured


72 trans-identifying male players in women’s football in England alone

No transman eager to go up against men in sport, only goes one way

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2024/07/23/TELEMMGLPICT000386524931_17217501383570_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4Bq_5E43gDERhcXj9P7g5HaFxhre41PiJJBmS2lilRYJs E.jpeg?imwidth=960

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/07/23/culture-secretary-lisa-nandy-trans-athletes-womens-sports/


FFS
If there are that many ****** footballers they should either be playing in men’s football or their own league .. they should be nowhere near women’s football !!

What are those gobby mares .. Alex Scott , Karen Carney and Eni Aluko doing to protect their peers !!!??


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[user104658]

OK I've seen it now and TBH I think I mostly agree with what's been said, which is (to boil it down) that politicians should stay out of it entirely and leave it down to the individual regulators of the sports.

I think that's right to be honest, with the very specific stipulation that I'd want a promise that the government will NOT step in on the grounds of "discrimination" to challenge any decision made by regulators, and that they'll introduce protections to stop regulators and sports from facing legal challenges on those grounds - because I think that's "the worry" a lot of the regulators have - that they will fall outside of discrimination laws by having restrictions.

So yeah. I don't have an issue with what she's saying. Leave it up to the professional regulators, so long as that actually means, leave it up to the professional regulators and don't tie their hands.

That then puts the ball in the court of the regulators themselves, and allows far more scope for people "voting with their feet" by abandoning the sports (both as competitors and audience) when they're going off-piste.

I find that in general, most regulators do now seem to be at least trending in the right direction, with some notable exceptions.

She clearly did not say that "they should be able to compete" or hint at regulating that or making it mandatory. She just said that politicians are (as LT even points out) not the experts on the sports involved, and those are the people who should make that call, not MPs.

[GoldHeart]

Nothing to see here, this will never happen, women need to shut up and stop being bigots and just accept this with meek subservience...(look at the intact tackle on the lady in the middle, all perfectly normal)

Common sense has left the building unfortunately, it's like we're in a really bad joke instead of reality.

[user104658]

Common sense has left the building unfortunately, it's like we're in a really bad joke instead of reality.

I'm like 90% sure it's petering out. Late GenZ's and Gen Alpha (the kids just coming into their teens now) don't really seem interested in gender-related identity politics, and that's always the indicator of the way things are headed IMO.

Gawd it was EVERYTHING when my eldest was in late Primary School and the first year of high school, and that was just 4 years ago :umm2:.

[Livia]

look at the intact tackle on the lady in the middle

Literally made me LOL.

[Niamh.]

Nothing to see here, this will never happen, women need to shut up and stop being bigots and just accept this with meek subservience...(look at the intact tackle on the lady in the middle, all perfectly normal)

Literally made me LOL.

If i didn't know any better I'd be thinking that person was a mole working for the Gender Critical side :pipe2:

[user104658]

If i didn't know any better I'd be thinking that person was a mole working for the Gender Critical side :pipe2:

At the very least, it seems pointed.

[Beso]

OK I've seen it now and TBH I think I mostly agree with what's been said, which is (to boil it down) that politicians should stay out of it entirely and leave it down to the individual regulators of the sports



That's what they've done for the Olympics, with some sports allowing them and others not.

[Crimson Dynamo]

GERMANY: Trans activists shut down a lesbian pride march in Berlin on Friday
after the lesbians involved were "exposed" for not being sexually attracted to
males who "identify as women."


The activists destroyed some of the women's signage and issued threats
towards them.

Shocking video here: https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1817584260582154736

and here: https://x.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1817598795523527138

[Mystic Mock]

I haven't clicked the link yet LeatherTrumpet but my opinion is that Lesbians to put it bluntly don't want to have a sexual relationship with people with a Penis, just like how gay men don't want to have a sexual relationship with people with a Vagina, I can't believe that in 2024 this even has to be said.

Obviously if the Transwoman has removed the Penis, then I would imagine that Lesbians would be more open to a sexual relationship, but even then you can't force anyone to be in a relationship that they don't want to be apart of (legally anyway.)

My advice to any Transwoman with a Penis is go with someone that's open to being with you, trying to bully a group of Lesbians into having to find Transwomen attractive is a horrible look, because they're doing harm to the innocent Transwomen who just want to live a peaceful life.

[GoldHeart]

I haven't clicked the link yet LeatherTrumpet but my opinion is that Lesbians to put it bluntly don't want to have a sexual relationship with people with a Penis, just like how gay men don't want to have a sexual relationship with people with a Vagina, I can't believe that in 2024 this even has to be said.

Obviously if the Transwoman has removed the Penis, then I would imagine that Lesbians would be more open to a sexual relationship, but even then you can't force anyone to be in a relationship that they don't want to be apart of (legally anyway.)


My advice to any Transwoman with a Penis is go with someone that's open to being with you, trying to bully a group of Lesbians into having to find Transwomen attractive is a horrible look, because they're doing harm to the innocent Transwomen who just want to live a peaceful life.

Exactly
They are basically a snake biting its own tail .

[Mystic Mock]

Exactly
They are basically a snake biting its own tail .

It honestly is unfortunate to see.

I personally try to judge people as an individual, but most people know that negative stereotypes do exist within every community, and it does seem like that some (not all) of the Transwomen won't be happy until their negative stereotypes revolve around Misogyny and Homophobia towards Lesbians (which tbh could tie back into the Misogyny part,) but I hope that you get my point.

And to understand where certain members on the other side are coming from on here, yes I personally do agree that it's wrong to tar every Transwoman with the same brush, but we're talking about people here, when have we (as a species) not gone around demonizing communities due to a few bad apples? It happens all of the time, especially to communities that are already controversial.

The Transwomen need good PR, not this stuff against Lesbians.

[Zizu]

Sorry but anyone born with a uterus is a woman .. or a willy is a bloke


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[Mystic Mock]

About how many Transgender/Non-Binary athletes are competing at the Paris 2024 Olympics.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/other/are-there-any-transgender-athletes-competing-at-the-2024-olympics/ar-BB1qthzy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

For anyone that is interested.

[Mystic Mock]

27 year old man charged with stabbing 18 year old Transwoman.

https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/24481960.man-charged-attempted-murder-transgender-woman-stabbed/

[Beso]

The uks government emergency ban on puberty blockers deemed lawfull by high court.

[Zizu]

Olympic ladies Judo finalists ..

Winner takes the Gold


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[Crimson Dynamo]

BBC News (UK) @BBCNews


Puberty blockers to be permanently banned in Northern Ireland

https://x.com/BBCNews/status/1866738063348474001

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[user104658]

In a decade to two decades, the compensation that will end up being paid out due to puberty blockers is going to be staggering. They were given to kids (no possible way they could have given informed consent, as they were... kids...) and with the advice being that they were essentially a "safe delay" and things would proceed as normal once puberty blockers were stopped.

They weren't thoroughly tested over the long terms and (who would have thought?) it turns out they often cause permanent fertility problems.

The compensation values will be in the six-figures, at least, per person. I can see 7-figure payouts in some cases. Madness.

[Niamh.]

In a decade to two decades, the compensation that will end up being paid out due to puberty blockers is going to be staggering. They were given to kids (no possible way they could have given informed consent, as they were... kids...) and with the advice being that they were essentially a "safe delay" and things would proceed as normal once puberty blockers were stopped.

They weren't thoroughly tested over the long terms and (who would have thought?) it turns out they often cause permanent fertility problems.

The compensation values will be in the six-figures, at least, per person. I can see 7-figure payouts in some cases. Madness.

It's crazy, especially considering there was actual studies done showing that in the vast majority of cases where children/young teens were questioning their gender, going through puberty actually resolved the gender dysphoria. It was only very small numbers were still dysphoric afterwards, so in essence they took away the natural "cure" for the majority so the minority of people who persisted could pass better

[arista]

[Puberty blockers to be permanently banned in Northern Ireland]


Good News LT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

NEW: The UK Government says it is banning the prescription of puberty
blockers for under-18s across the UK - including in Scotland.

Wes Streeting made the announcement in the House of Commons this
afternoon.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GehbxWwWsAIan2h?format=png&name=small

[Cherie]

NEW: The UK Government says it is banning the prescription of puberty
blockers for under-18s across the UK - including in Scotland.

Wes Streeting made the announcement in the House of Commons this
afternoon.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GehbxWwWsAIan2h?format=png&name=small

Great news

[Maru]

I have so many side effects with birth control so really didn't try taking it until I was older. I tried one that I had hoped I'd tolerate better since it was supposed to simulate our actual hormones, ie, adjust itself throughout the month, and ended up with serious short term memory loss and not being able to drive for about a year. Can only imagine if someone had tried to put me on puberty blockers in my youth. I really don't think I'd be here with the way I respond to certain meds if that were the case. I knew friends who were getting prescribed things left and right for their issues when we are all in our preteens when depression/etc was just beginning to become a major concern...

And I'm sure bad responses to medication will just get sorted out as part of the overall trans suicide statistic rather than found out as a bad response to medication. The suicidal thoughts while on certain meds is actually a real thing. There was a medication I was on that was newer for an issue I had that gave me suicidal thoughts at about the same time everyday based on when I took my medication (usually night before)... it didn't do anything to me emotionally so it was just bizarre, but it was there cognitively in a very overt way and would last for about an hour. Almost like the brain would tune into a radio station where cognitively everything I was reading, listening to, or thinking was being dosed with this weird feeling of "meh, it's all meaningless, never-ending, horrible stuff, etc... should just end it now", etc... so yeah, that is a thing. For me, it was just bizarre, but I wonder if someone is vulnerable if they would have a worse response... how would they be able to tell the difference between bad reactions to medication and actual suicidal thoughts?... Hormones can do crazy unexpected things to the body and mind without medications, especially to women...

[user104658]

I have so many side effects with birth control so really didn't try taking it until I was older. I tried one that I had hoped I'd tolerate better since it was supposed to simulate our actual hormones, ie, adjust itself throughout the month, and ended up with serious short term memory loss and not being able to drive for about a year. Can only imagine if someone had tried to put me on puberty blockers in my youth. I really don't think I'd be here with the way I respond to certain meds if that were the case. I knew friends who were getting prescribed things left and right for their issues when we are all in our preteens when depression/etc was just beginning to become a major concern...

And I'm sure bad responses to medication will just get sorted out as part of the overall trans suicide statistic rather than found out as a bad response to medication. The suicidal thoughts while on certain meds is actually a real thing. There was a medication I was on that was newer for an issue I had that gave me suicidal thoughts at about the same time everyday based on when I took my medication (usually night before)... it didn't do anything to me emotionally so it was just bizarre, but it was there cognitively in a very overt way and would last for about an hour. Almost like the brain would tune into a radio station where cognitively everything I was reading, listening to, or thinking was being dosed with this weird feeling of "meh, it's all meaningless, never-ending, horrible stuff, etc... should just end it now", etc... so yeah, that is a thing. For me, it was just bizarre, but I wonder if someone is vulnerable if they would have a worse response... how would they be able to tell the difference between bad reactions to medication and actual suicidal thoughts?... Hormones can do crazy unexpected things to the body and mind without medications, especially to women...

Not to get all "all genders" but it is actually very similar in men, low testosterone is a HUGE depression trigger, and is ultimately one of the reasons that so many depressed men feel a lot better if they fix their diet and exercise more. It's not just that it makes them feel better about themselves - high protein diet and increased physical activity naturally raises testosterone levels and that alone can completely change mindsets.

Hormones are fascinating and I honestly don't think we should be fking with them UNLESS it's to correct something that's out of balance without a clear reason.

[Niamh.]

Not to get all "all genders" but it is actually very similar in men, low testosterone is a HUGE depression trigger, and is ultimately one of the reasons that so many depressed men feel a lot better if they fix their diet and exercise more. It's not just that it makes them feel better about themselves - high protein diet and increased physical activity naturally raises testosterone levels and that alone can completely change mindsets.

Hormones are fascinating and I honestly don't think we should be fking with them UNLESS it's to correct something that's out of balance without a clear reason.

Absolutely, it's literally the reason so many men go through midlife crisis

[Vanessa]

The toilets at the theatre where we went had gender neutral ones as well as male and female. Like Arista says, sign of the times.

[Niamh.]

The toilets at the theatre where we went had gender neutral ones as well as male and female. Like Arista says, sign of the times.

Having the third option is a good call if there's room for it

[Vanessa]

Having the third option is a good call if there's room for it

Yes definitely I agree.

[Cherie]

Unfortunately we have moved to a situation where people dont want to fix themselves they in the main want to take a pill to make it all go away, exercise, diet, routine, sleep issues should all be addressed before medication is offered, and in the case of children they need to be allowed to grow up before they inflict life changing hormone treatments on themselves, parents need to get a grip as well and not pander to everything their child thinks they want particularly in medicine, pretty sure most parents would not allow their children to go under the knife for cosmetic purposes but are happy for them to pill pop if they think they are in the wrong body