The war on transgender

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/erininthemorn/status/1646579015719813139?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

They anti-trans movement are moving into the next phase of their mission, they want to eradicate trans people from existence.

Can we please stop pretending that it’s about ‘protecting women and children’, toilets or sports now? This was the aim all along, to put a stop to trans people all together

[arista]

[Can we please stop pretending that it’s about
‘protecting women and children’, toilets or sports now?
This was the aim all along, to put a stop to trans people all together]


Yes Liam Live on Ch5HD AM
it was all that.

He had a Guest, Jon Lis
who was
speaking just like you.


But Dawn Neesom
said she has rights as a woman?

[Niamh.]

Why do you think women are only pretending to care about our rights? Odd take.

[arista]

1646827666274914304

[Crimson Dynamo]

:facepalm:

[Livia]

Trans women don't care about natural women. And I'm sick of hearing how I only pretend to care about my rights. Maybe trans females could just shut up and get in with their lives the way trans men seem to.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1646705949111877633?s=20

[Livia]

Chilling.

[UserSince2005]

Biological women need to get over the fact that some biological males can make better women than them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Biological women need to get over the fact that some biological males can make better women than them.

Ironically its the fact that some biological men cant get over being told no by biological women...

dats de ishoo

[Liam-]

Matt ‘16 is the optimal age for girls to get pregnant and married’ Walsh, the hero of the ‘we only want to protect women and children’ anti-trans squad, says the quiet part very ****ing loudly

https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1646638311019085828?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

The act is over for these people, they want a complete eradication of a whole demographic of people because they don’t align with their bigoted, religious extremism, they’re not even trying to hide it anymore, they’ve duped normally rational, reasonable people into being scared of something they want to get rid of completely.

This was always the end goal, this was always going to be the eventual outcome, anybody that has gone along for ride and allowed this hatred to seep into the mainstream, should hang their heads in shame

[GoldHeart]

Biological women need to get over the fact that some biological males can make better women than them.

The fact that you would say that , just proves once again that this has very little to about wanting equality. The disrespect shown towards biological women says it all.

[Niamh.]

Matt ‘16 is the optimal age for girls to get pregnant and married’ Walsh, the hero of the ‘we only want to protect women and children’ anti-trans squad, says the quiet part very ****ing loudly

https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1646638311019085828?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

The act is over for these people, they want a complete eradication of a whole demographic of people because they don’t align with their bigoted, religious extremism, they’re not even trying to hide it anymore, they’ve duped normally rational, reasonable people into being scared of something they want to get rid of completely.

This was always the end goal, this was always going to be the eventual outcome, anybody that has gone along for ride and allowed this hatred to seep into the mainstream, should hang their heads in shame

Standing up for women's rights does not mean people automatically agree with everything Matt ****ing Walsh says Liam, stop being silly. I mean that would be like me saying you agree with all those TRA's on social media who send death threats to women and dox people, or those who go to speaking events for women and punch old ladies in the face.

[arista]

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[GoldHeart]

Standing up for women's rights does not mean people automatically agree with everything Matt ****ing Walsh says Liam, stop being silly. I mean that would be like me saying you agree with all those TRA's on social media who send death threats to women and dox people, or those who go to speaking events for women and punch old ladies in the face.

Yeah most of the people getting upset and saying they're trying to "protect & help trans" also think it's perfectly fine to send death threats to JK Rowling just because she's rich and famous. Or they down play it as " oh it's just twitter" , these nut jobs turned up at her house.

Is what Matt Walsh saying being taken out of context?, I very much doubt he'd be happy for his 16 year old daughter to get married behind his back or pregnant.

What he's saying makes no sense ...when legally in America you have to be 18 in most states to consent, unless he's just not giving a damn anymore that teenage pregnancy happens?. It's like when you get parents who say " oh well you can't stop 16 year olds from having sex" so they basically don't even try , lazy parenting if you ask me .

[Nicky91]

meanwhile Andy Ngo, a so called member of LGBTQ+ community, shows himself to be a homophobe more and more

:facepalm:

every bit of ***** he posts, becomes more funny by the day :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

meanwhile Andy Ngo, a so called member of LGBTQ+ community, shows himself to be a homophobe more and more

:facepalm:

every bit of ***** he posts, becomes more funny by the day :laugh:

care to share his homophobia?

couple of examples would be great

[Niamh.]

Yeah most of the people getting upset and saying they're trying to "protect & help trans" also think it's perfectly fine to send death threats to JK Rowling just because she's rich and famous. Or they down play it as " oh it's just twitter" , these nut jobs turned up at her house.

Is what Matt Walsh saying being taken out of context?, I very much doubt he'd be happy for his 16 year old daughter to get married behind his back or pregnant.

What he's saying makes no sense ...when legally in America you have to be 18 in most states to consent, unless he's just not giving a damn anymore that teenage pregnancy happens?. It's like when you get parents who say " oh well you can't stop 16 year olds from having sex" so they basically don't even try , lazy parenting if you ask me .

It probably isn't taken out of context, he's a pretty right wing/religious/sexist. I don't see why that makes everyone speaking about womens rights in regards to this topic in his "camp" though, that's stupid logic

[Crimson Dynamo]

It probably isn't taken out of context, he's a pretty right wing/religious/sexist. I don't see why that makes everyone speaking about womens rights in regards to this topic in his "camp" though, that's stupid logic

same logic that one US state passing one law in a democratic country is "a war"

:idc:

[UserSince2005]

The fact that you would say that , just proves once again that this has very little to about wanting equality. The disrespect shown towards biological women says it all.

step down and let the real queens reign

[GoldHeart]

It probably isn't taken out of context, he's a pretty right wing/religious/sexist. I don't see why that makes everyone speaking about womens rights in regards to this topic in his "camp" though, that's stupid logic

But that shouldn't mean decent morals go out the window .


Yeah I don't like how people think we must agree on everything a certain camp says , I've noticed this with the whole Andrew Tate mess ....for some reason people grab onto anti woke so much that they then look at Andrew Tate as some role model :facepalm:.

[user104658]

This was always the end goal, this was always going to be the eventual outcome, anybody that has gone along for ride and allowed this hatred to seep into the mainstream, should hang their heads in shame

For the evangelists you're absolutely correct and you're right about the people who have gone along for the ride and how they should be taking a look at themselves.

That's every single person who has disallowed and shut down reasonable, rational, adult debate of the rights of women, trans people and the safeguarding of children in favour of uneducated mob mentality and slapping on the blinkers of tribalism.

Yes you are all to blame. Every last person who said it was unacceptable for researchers, academics and policy makers to come together to make sensible and safe decisions, in favour of rampant individualism and "I want I want!". Whether those are preachers, LGBTQ activists or otherwise.

Hang your heads in shame indeed.

You're one of them Liam.

[GoldHeart]

step down and let the real queens reign

" Real Queen's" but they can't give birth or have a period
https://i.postimg.cc/Y0pSWZsC/jennifer-lawrence-thumbs-up.gif (https://postimages.org/)

[arista]

USA


[Mom slams California school for
transitioning her daughter to a boy 'behind her back'
as district votes to KEEP parental
secrecy policy - and bearded trans activist
says teachers are protecting kids
from 'hate and prejudice' at home
Aurora Regino said her 11-year-old daughter's
elementary school in the Chico Unified School District
encouraged her to transition from female to male
Regino says that the counselor at the school
ignored her daughter's request to tell her about
her new gender identity and 'did nothing to support her'
The Chico Unified School District voted to keep
their 'parental secrecy' policy in place - which trans
activist Squeaky Saint Francis says could
quell youth suicide]




At Age 11
I think the parents should be involved
this does not seem right..............



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04/14/07/69819583-11971741-image-a-6_1681452201988.jpg
[Aurora Regino, who says her
eleven-year-old daughter's school encouraged
her to transition also 'ignored her' request
to reveal her gender identity
to family - as the school district votes
to keep the 'parental secrecy' policy]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11971741/District-votes-parental-secrecy-policy-regarding-gender.html

[Niamh.]

But that shouldn't mean decent morals go out the window .


Yeah I don't like how people think we must agree on everything a certain camp says , I've noticed this with the whole Andrew Tate mess ....for some reason people grab onto anti woke so much that they then look at Andrew Tate as some role model :facepalm:.

Yes totally agree, individual thinking seems to be frowned upon, you deviate from the approved opinions on the left these days and you may as well be Hitler (apologies for invoking Godwins Law :p )

[Cherie]

Matt ‘16 is the optimal age for girls to get pregnant and married’ Walsh, the hero of the ‘we only want to protect women and children’ anti-trans squad, says the quiet part very ****ing loudly

https://twitter.com/mattwalshblog/status/1646638311019085828?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

The act is over for these people, they want a complete eradication of a whole demographic of people because they don’t align with their bigoted, religious extremism, they’re not even trying to hide it anymore, they’ve duped normally rational, reasonable people into being scared of something they want to get rid of completely.

This was always the end goal, this was always going to be the eventual outcome, anybody that has gone along for ride and allowed this hatred to seep into the mainstream, should hang their heads in shame


The USA is a law unto itself with each State having its own laws, why not post content from the UK or Europe where we actually live :crazy:

No one is trying to erase trans people what most are saying are we do not want men to take advantage of women via the gaping loopholes introduced by self ID

[GoldHeart]

Yes totally agree, individual thinking seems to be frowned upon, you deviate from the approved opinions on the left these days and you may as well be Hitler (apologies for invoking Godwins Law :p )

This video perfectly sums up how radical and thoughtless both sides can be . It's mainly touching on feminism and the whole red pill ,but it's very relevant with how both the 'progressive left' & the ' very right wing' behave. They have nothing in common yet everything in common at the same time ,both are pig headed and will never be reasoned with.



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[Niamh.]

This video perfectly sums up how radical and thoughtless both sides can be . It's mainly touching on feminism and the whole red pill ,but it's very relevant with how both the 'progressive left' & the ' very right wing' behave. They have nothing in common yet everything in common at the same time ,both are pig headed and will never be reasoned with.



VN325Ah7hlw

I'll listened to that on my way home later :thumbs:

[GoldHeart]

I'll listened to that on my way home later :thumbs:

:wavey:

[UserSince2005]

" Real Queen's" but they can't give birth or have a period
https://i.postimg.cc/Y0pSWZsC/jennifer-lawrence-thumbs-up.gif (https://postimages.org/)

Yeah infertile woman are pathetic, they should feel ashamed to even leave their house. :umm2:

[Liam-]

The USA is a law unto itself with each State having its own laws, why not post content from the UK or Europe where we actually live :crazy:

No one is trying to erase trans people what most are saying are we do not want men to take advantage of women via the gaping loopholes introduced by self ID

So it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t happen in this country? I’ll remember that the next time one of Posie Parker’s nazi rallies to awry.

‘No one is trying to erase trans people’ is just probably an outright lie, but say what you’re saying is true, what’s gonna happen if Kemi and Rishi get their own way, change the equality act language and it forces trans people to use the toilets of their birth given gender, trans men will be forced to use women’s public toilets, when everyone realises that trans women weren’t the problem at all, what then? If as you lot say, perverts take advantage and ‘pretend to be trans women’ why would the same perverts not then try and take advantage and just say they’re trans men? The goalposts will continuously be moved by people that just don’t want trans people to mix in general society at all

[Livia]

Posie Parker is not a Nazi.

[Crimson Dynamo]

if there is a conflict here then its this one

https://twitter.com/bravojourno/status/1646241963153211392?s=20

[Livia]

Biological women need to get over the fact that some biological males can make better women than them.

Yeah infertile woman are pathetic, they should feel ashamed to even leave their house. :umm2:

High time you joined my ignore list.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah infertile woman are pathetic, they should feel ashamed to even leave their house. :umm2:

Nice try......this is always the same argument when trying to shut down the other view point.

You know full well I'm not talking about those women, the point is biological women & biological men have very different reproductive organs. And to pretend otherwise is delusional.

If a biological woman has to have a hysterectomy or double mastectomy for health issues,or any other reason. It still does not change the fact she's still a woman by birth . If I found out I couldn't have kids or if I suddenly stopped menstruating it doesn't stop me being a woman .

When we're all dead and archaeological discoveries find out bones , they are not going to call a trans woman a real biological woman .

Male & female have their own chromosomes and different body types, science doesn't care about people's feelings at the end of the day. However yes Gender dysphoria is a very real thing .

[Oliver_W]

Nice misrepresentation there.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3949521-missouri-ag-issues-emergency-order-restricting-gender-affirming-health-care/

Regulating and limiting how much chemicals and surgery are given to people with a form of dysmorphia isn't eradication.

[Cherie]

So it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t happen in this country? I’ll remember that the next time one of Posie Parker’s nazi rallies to awry.

‘No one is trying to erase trans people’ is just probably an outright lie, but say what you’re saying is true, what’s gonna happen if Kemi and Rishi get their own way, change the equality act language and it forces trans people to use the toilets of their birth given gender, trans men will be forced to use women’s public toilets, when everyone realises that trans women weren’t the problem at all, what then? If as you lot say, perverts take advantage and ‘pretend to be trans women’ why would the same perverts not then try and take advantage and just say they’re trans men? The goalposts will continuously be moved by people that just don’t want trans people to mix in general society at all

There is a difference between laws being passed in other countries and public rallies :facepalm:

[Mystic Mock]

Missouri is definitely taking it to an extreme imo.

I support the Sports decision, but not a complete eradication of the community itself.

Hopefully people in Missouri will protest this decision.

[Oliver_W]

Missouri is definitely taking it to an extreme imo.

I support the Sports decision, but not a complete eradication of the community itself.

Hopefully people in Missouri will protest this decision.

How is the community being eradicated?

[Alf]

Posie Parker is not a Nazi.Anyone who doesn't submit to Liam's ideology is a Nazi. It's the best insult his brain can manange and by saying it, he believes that his arguments are justified.

[Mystic Mock]

How is the community being eradicated?

Okay I probably exaggerated slightly.:laugh:

But still I don't believe that people above the age of 18 have to go through so many loops just to be what they want to be, or what they believe themselves to be.

Imo freedom of choice is important.

[Alf]

Okay I probably exaggerated slightly.:laugh:

But still I don't believe that people above the age of 18 have to go through so many loops just to be what they want to be, or what they believe themselves to be.

Imo freedom of choice is important.There's freedom of choice and then there is insanity.

People also have the freedom of choice to choose to try to help the insane people and not encourage them to practice their insane behavior.

[Beso]

It's a good job those at war with transgender started off in defence mode.

[Oliver_W]

Okay I probably exaggerated slightly.:laugh:

But still I don't believe that people above the age of 18 have to go through so many loops just to be what they want to be, or what they believe themselves to be.

Imo freedom of choice is important.

They're the same person whether or not they take tablets containing artificial hormones :shrug: unnecessary body modifications aren't a human right, nor a necessity.

[Mystic Mock]

They're the same person whether or not they take tablets containing artificial hormones :shrug: unnecessary body modifications aren't a human right, nor a necessity.

Isn't it up to the person what they want to do with their body? Especially once they've reached adulthood.

[UserSince2005]

Nice try......this is always the same argument when trying to shut down the other view point.

You know full well I'm not talking about those women, the point is biological women & biological men have very different reproductive organs. And to pretend otherwise is delusional.

If a biological woman has to have a hysterectomy or double mastectomy for health issues,or any other reason. It still does not change the fact she's still a woman by birth . If I found out I couldn't have kids or if I suddenly stopped menstruating it doesn't stop me being a woman .

When we're all dead and archaeological discoveries find out bones , they are not going to call a trans woman a real biological woman .

Male & female have their own chromosomes and different body types, science doesn't care about people's feelings at the end of the day. However yes Gender dysphoria is a very real thing .

Okay so people shouldn’t be able to live their best life in case in 1000 years time someone might dig their body up and think they lived a different life. Who cares.

At the end of the day the vast majority of women can take a lot of tips of off transgender women, their style, glamour, their hot skinny bodies and just all around take care of themselves.

[Oliver_W]

Isn't it up to the person what they want to do with their body? Especially once they've reached adulthood.
In that case, lets allow anorexics to keep taking emetics until they reach their ideal body shape, with no wellbeing checks or interventions at all.

After all, they're adults and it's their body.

[Cherie]

Okay so people shouldn’t be able to live their best life in case in 1000 years time someone might dig their body up and think they lived a different life. Who cares.

At the end of the day the vast majority of women can take a lot of tips of off transgender women, their style, glamour, their hot skinny bodies and just all around take care of themselves.


You really have no idea, being a woman is not all about looks, clothes ...or having a fancy name.....so shallow, just shows how stupid some gay men are

I guess you will squeal homophobia now right

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/esqueer_/status/1647024355401175040?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

People continue to prove that it’s never been about the toilets and sports, it’s always been about making trans people obsolete in society.

Paying a popular online personality to advertise their product has earned a company bomb and death threats from wackadoodle right wing, religious nutjobs, all because that person is transgender, who is this trying to protect? Other than their own fragile, bigoted egos?

All of this over a single TikTok of a trans person, doing a job.

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/esqueer_/status/1647024355401175040?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

People continue to prove that it’s never been about the toilets and sports, it’s always been about making trans people obsolete in society.

Paying a popular online personality to advertise their product has earned a company bomb and death threats from wackadoodle right wing, religious nutjobs, all because that person is transgender, who is this trying to protect? Other than their own fragile, bigoted egos?

All of this over a single TikTok of a trans person, doing a job.

"A few people have overreacted to an advert, therefore the entire pro-woman movement is invalid"

ok

[Redway]

https://twitter.com/erininthemorn/status/1646579015719813139?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

They anti-trans movement are moving into the next phase of their mission, they want to eradicate trans people from existence.

Can we please stop pretending that it’s about ‘protecting women and children’, toilets or sports now? This was the aim all along, to put a stop to trans people all together

Why on Earth are you lumping women together with children? That’s very odd.

[Redway]

meanwhile Andy Ngo, a so called member of LGBTQ+ community, shows himself to be a homophobe more and more

:facepalm:

every bit of ***** he posts, becomes more funny by the day :laugh:

As usual you’re not making any sense or saying anything of serious relevance to the thread. Know your place on this forum.

[Liam-]

Why on Earth are you lumping women together with children? That’s very odd.

What?

[Redway]

What?

Do you not remember the things you write?

[Liam-]

Do you not remember the things you write?

I didn’t lump them together, I quoted what the anti-trans squad say they’re trying to do on their mission to wipe trans people from society

[Redway]

I didn’t lump them together, I quoted what the anti-trans squad say they’re trying to do on their mission to wipe trans people from society

You sound confused. Have you got any idea what day of the week it is?

[UserSince2005]

You really have no idea, being a woman is not all about looks, clothes ...or having a fancy name.....so shallow, just shows how stupid some gay men are

I guess you will squeal homophobia now right

all I’m saying is if all the people attacking trans spent half as much time working on themselves they wouldn’t feel so threatened.

[Liam-]

You sound confused. Have you got any idea what day of the week it is?

Ah I see, you’ve come on to have a row with someone, not gonna get one from me pal, take your self prescribed superiority to someone else

[Nicky91]

As usual you’re not making any sense or saying anything of serious relevance to the thread. Know your place on this forum.

just pointing out what a complete hypocrite Andy is

and the proof he is LGBTQ+, the rainbow emoji next to his name

[Barry.]

I got a feeling that usersince is a troll?

[Cherie]

I got a feeling that usersince is a troll?

Yes

[UserSince2005]

I got a feeling that usersince is a troll?

Why are people so threatened by hotties. LEAVE US ALONE

[Oliver_W]

I didn’t lump them together, I quoted what the anti-trans squad say they’re trying to do on their mission to wipe trans people from society

How is placing some limits on non-essential medication wiping people from society?

[Cherie]

How is placing some limits on non-essential medication wiping people from society?

Sounds like a sensible safeguarding action to me :shrug:

[GoldHeart]

In that case, lets allow anorexics to keep taking emetics until they reach their ideal body shape, with no wellbeing checks or interventions at all.

After all, they're adults and it's their body.

Worst example of that is Eugenie Cooney , it's as if nobody is helping her . But she's an adult but continues the parade her body online for views . Despite looking at death's door,you can see her rib cage . It's honestly a miracle she's still alive .

[GoldHeart]

You really have no idea, being a woman is not all about looks, clothes ...or having a fancy name.....so shallow, just shows how stupid some gay men are

I guess you will squeal homophobia now right

And the hilarious thing is all the ones screaming the loudest of the 'trans community ' just look like they've put on a wig and a dress . So all this rubbish about them looking "hottest & skinny " is not true .

[Liam-]

Restricting adults from accessing required medical options for being transgender, is going to make it harder for people to transition, fewer people transitioning because of restrictions placed on adults, equals the future erasure of trans people in future, if the ‘pro woman’ movement is all about protecting women and children like it’s being claimed, there’s no reason to prohibit certain adults and restrict the access for adults to gender affirming care, blocking access to medical care for transgender people, is no different to blocking medical care for other people, but bigots are happy to block trans people accessing the things they need.

It’s barbaric and it’s impossible to dress it as anything but transphobic.

[Oliver_W]

blocking access to medical care for transgender people, is no different to blocking medical care for other people,

It really is different.

Medical treatment is usually medically needed, while "transitioning" is just an attempt to closer resemble the gender with whicn they "identify".

Gender is a social construct. Treatments relating to gender identity have little in common with treatment for actual medical issues.

[Barry.]

Why are trans women getting more heat than trans males? I feel so bad for the trans community.

[Oliver_W]

Why are trans women getting more heat than trans males?

Due to biological differences between males and females, transwomen have advantages over women in sports, so transwomen competing against women isn't fair.
Due to their male socialisation, transwomen feel more entitled to demand their way into women's spaces, than transmen do into men's spaces.

[GoldHeart]

Restricting adults from accessing required medical options for being transgender, is going to make it harder for people to transition, fewer people transitioning because of restrictions placed on adults, equals the future erasure of trans people in future, if the ‘pro woman’ movement is all about protecting women and children like it’s being claimed, there’s no reason to prohibit certain adults and restrict the access for adults to gender affirming care, blocking access to medical care for transgender people, is no different to blocking medical care for other people, but bigots are happy to block trans people accessing the things they need.

It’s barbaric and it’s impossible to dress it as anything but transphobic.


Liam define to me what a transgender person is ? . Because
The proper definition of transgenderism is someone who has gender dysphoria, aswell as identifying as the opposite sex.

They will not be erased , and they're a small minority. Also why must there be a rush to get 'medical treatment ' ?.

Whilst I'll agree adults can do what they want as they're adults .... adults also have regrets and there's side effects . Plus they're not all having medical treatment, some of them are just dressing differently and changing their pronouns etc.

[Liam-]

Why are trans women getting more heat than trans males? I feel so bad for the trans community.

I think a lot of it boils down to misandry and homophobia, a lot of these transphobes just see trans women as confused gays or male perverts that want to take advantage of women, obviously there are the people that make it obvious that just just don’t believe that trans people are real and want them to stop existing

[thesheriff443]

I think a lot of it boils down to misandry and homophobia, a lot of these transphobes just see trans women as confused gays or male perverts that want to take advantage of women, obviously there are the people that make it obvious that just just don’t believe that trans people are real and want them to stop existing

We’re do you stand on a man raping a woman and then when he is facing trial he says he is a trans woman?

[Cherie]

Why are trans women getting more heat than trans males? I feel so bad for the trans community.

because no women is going to pose as a trans man in order to gain access to males for predatory reasons, no trans man is going to beat a male in sport, and because you dont see any transmen making a big song and dance about everything they just get on with it

and I have yet to see a transman with death to women placards

[Cherie]

I think a lot of it boils down to misandry and homophobia, a lot of these transphobes just see trans women as confused gays or male perverts that want to take advantage of women, obviously there are the people that make it obvious that just just don’t believe that trans people are real and want them to stop existing

that's your opinion, I have no problem with anyone doing anything legal as long as they don't impact negatively on peoples lives

[Barry.]

because no women is going to pose as a trans man in order to gain access to males for predatory reasons, no trans man is going to beat a male in sport, and because you dont see any transmen making a big song and dance about everything they just get on with it

and I have yet to see a transman with death to women placards

Like, I’m saying it’s common but there are, a few, women who are predatory towards guys. I’ve seen Law and Order: SVU a lot to know this.

Like, the trans women doing that are just a little precent rather than a big part of trans women just want to be women.

I guess that’s true about a trans man not being in the news for assault but it may happen but just don’t know about it?

[Liam-]

that's your opinion, I have no problem with anyone doing anything legal as long as they don't impact negatively on peoples lives

If that’s the case then you should be against adults being restricted from accessing the medical services they need to be who they are

[Oliver_W]

If that’s the case then you should be against adults being restricted from accessing the medical services they need to be who they are

Who else "needs" medical intervention in order to be who they "are" ?

[GoldHeart]

If that’s the case then you should be against adults being restricted from accessing the medical services they need to be who they are

Of course you ignored my question

[Mystic Mock]

In that case, lets allow anorexics to keep taking emetics until they reach their ideal body shape, with no wellbeing checks or interventions at all.

After all, they're adults and it's their body.

Are we seriously comparing Transgender to people slowly killing themselves?

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/esqueer_/status/1647024355401175040?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

People continue to prove that it’s never been about the toilets and sports, it’s always been about making trans people obsolete in society.

Paying a popular online personality to advertise their product has earned a company bomb and death threats from wackadoodle right wing, religious nutjobs, all because that person is transgender, who is this trying to protect? Other than their own fragile, bigoted egos?

All of this over a single TikTok of a trans person, doing a job.

That is completely bonkers from the people making the bomb threats.

[Mystic Mock]

"A few people have overreacted to an advert, therefore the entire pro-woman movement is invalid"

ok

I do agree with you that it's not fair to dismiss everyone that's "pro-woman" as you've put it into the same box as these psychopaths.

[Crimson Dynamo]

People continue to prove that it’s never been about the toilets and sports, it’s always been about making trans people obsolete in society.

:laugh2:

the total misplaced drama of this minuscule minority

[Oliver_W]

Are we seriously comparing Transgender to people slowly killing themselves?

In both cases it's people trying to change their bodies, because their brains think something's wrong with their bodies.

[Cherie]

Liam define to me what a transgender person is ? . Because
The proper definition of transgenderism is someone who has gender dysphoria, aswell as identifying as the opposite sex.

They will not be erased , and they're a small minority. Also why must there be a rush to get 'medical treatment ' ?.

Whilst I'll agree adults can do what they want as they're adults .... adults also have regrets and there's side effects . Plus they're not all having medical treatment, some of them are just dressing differently and changing their pronouns etc.

I would agree ..what is the rush ...3 years is nothing in the grand scheme of things and it will filter out those going through a phase ...if a person is 100% sure they want to transition they will do so ...

[Mystic Mock]

In both cases it's people trying to change their bodies, because their brains think something's wrong with their bodies.

But the one is a life risk continuing to be that way whilst the other isn't.

Imo I don't see them as the same level of risk.

[GoldHeart]

But the one is a life risk continuing to be that way whilst the other isn't.

Imo I don't see them as the same level of risk.

I think there's more similarities than people realise. After all Body Dysphoria & Gender Dysphoria have alot of the same issues.

[Oliver_W]

But the one is a life risk continuing to be that way whilst the other isn't.

Imo I don't see them as the same level of risk.

Cross-sex hormones can cause all kinds of health issues - heart disease, strokes, it can worsen their mental health problems...

[Liam-]

‘3 years is nothing’ spoken like someone who truly doesn’t understand a single thing about what trans people go through on a daily basis

[GoldHeart]

Cross-sex hormones can cause all kinds of health issues - heart disease, strokes, it can worsen their mental health problems...

Yeah there's alot of risks.
I think i heard that it can cause brain swelling aswell.

[Oliver_W]

‘3 years is nothing’ spoken like someone who truly doesn’t understand a single thing about what trans people go through on a daily basis

People sometimes have to wait that long for treatments or surgery which are actually needed :shrug:

[Cherie]

‘3 years is nothing’ spoken like someone who truly doesn’t understand a single thing about what trans people go through on a daily basis

Are you trans?

[Cherie]

‘3 years is nothing’ spoken like someone who truly doesn’t understand a single thing about what trans people go through on a daily basis

You have no idea what women go through on a daily basis but you are happy to tell us we are just pretending to care about our safe spaces

Women who make up more than 50% of the population but bow down to 1%

[Beso]

‘3 years is nothing’ spoken like someone who truly doesn’t understand a single thing about what trans people go through on a daily basis

Getting out of bed can be a bitch for everyone Liam.

[GoldHeart]

You have no idea what women go through on a daily basis but you are happy to tell us we are just pretending to care about our safe spaces

Women who make up more than 50% of the population but bow down to 1%

Liam should try being a woman for a day and see how he feels.

[Beso]

Liam should try being a woman for a day and see how he feels.

Nothing worse than someone thinking they can get you horny by rubbing thier dick on your butt crack as you're trying to get the dinner out the oven eh:shrug:

[Liam-]

Are you trans?

You don’t need to be trans to have a basic understanding and empathy for the struggles they face because of who they are and what they need to do just because of their identity

[Cherie]

You don’t need to be trans to have a basic understanding and empathy for the struggles they face because of who they are and what they need to do just because of their identity

It’s amazing how much empathy you hold yet you probably know few trans people yet you will know many more women...where is your empathy for them..:shrug:

[Liam-]

It’s amazing how much empathy you hold yet you probably know few trans people yet you will know many more women...where is your empathy for them..:shrug:

Oh please, most of your friends on this forum only defend and have empathy for women when it serves them the chance to attack gays or trans people, you should probably have a word with them before saying I have no empathy for women :joker:

[hijaxers]

It’s amazing how much empathy you hold yet you probably know few trans people yet you will know many more women...where is your empathy for them..:shrug:

Give up Cherie its like talking to a wall

[Beso]

Oh please, most of your friends on this forum only defend and have empathy for women when it serves them the chance to attack gays or trans people, you should probably have a word with them before saying I have no empathy for women :joker:

I think cherie was asking for your views and opinions that dont make you think about how you look on a bb forum liam!

[Cherie]

Oh please, most of your friends on this forum only defend and have empathy for women when it serves them the chance to attack gays or trans people, you should probably have a word with them before saying I have no empathy for women :joker:

we were having a conversation Liam, you and I, I dont know why you needed to bring anyone else into it :shrug:

Well I do because you have no answer to my question, you dont care about women it's been very plain in your posts for ages

[Cherie]

Give up Cherie its like talking to a wall

I know Jax, its just a bit rich to say we are trying to erase trans people which he knows full well is not the case at all, when its clear he hates women and doesnt care about their safety or quality of life

[Oliver_W]

general society

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYzE0MWUzZmUwZWViNDA5NGZkYjcxNjh iNTZmODBmZDM3NjExNjM5YSZjdD1n/2t9sDPrlvFpdK/giphy.gif

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/pinknews/status/1647558119348752384?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

They don’t care about children, don’t let them pretend they do

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/pinknews/status/1647558119348752384?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

They don’t care about children, don’t let them pretend they do

When a school contacts a parent about any number of issues they dont know what they are walking into....some parents could go nuts for instance if they are not doing their homework, or skiving lessons, do you think parents should be involved if kids are skipping school? why should parents be kept in the dark if their child leaves home as Harry and is called Harriet at school, its not like it wouldn't get back to them by other means, parents dont exist in a bubble they usually know what is going on at school with their children and will know other parents of other children and will speak to them ....this is just nonsense to think a child can keep that from their parents even if they dont tell them directly....

[Crimson Dynamo]

:clap1:

Rishi

[Barry.]

https://twitter.com/pinknews/status/1647558119348752384?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

They don’t care about children, don’t let them pretend they do

That’s bullying!

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/pinknews/status/1647558119348752384?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

They don’t care about children, don’t let them pretend they do

Schools keeping that sort of thing secret would be a blatent disregard for safeguarding.

[Livia]

Liam, pretending to know what others think.

[Liam-]

That’s bullying!

Yep, government sponsored bullying and when they start doing it, any child that gets abused, neglected or thrown out as a result, they will be responsible for, all this bull**** about them ‘protecting kids’ then they go and implement policies purposefully putting kids in harms way because they don’t like who they are, it’s gross.

A lot of the time schools are the only safe space for kids who grow up in hostile or uncomfortable surroundings and to choose to take that away from the most already marginalised people, is just a full on act of cruelty

[Crimson Dynamo]

Time to get a grip on this social contagion in schools. Rishi stepping forward with action - Starmer, like Sturgeon trying to encourage it.

[user104658]

The idea that schools should be hiding information about kids from their parents is quite troubling. If a kid has come to a person at the school in confidence to let them know that they have specific issues/worries about how they're being treated at home or what might happen at home, that's a totally different discussion because the school should also be taking that very seriously. But just "as standard" keeping information about a child's social existence back from their own primary caregivers? :umm2:

[Cherie]

Yep, government sponsored bullying and when they start doing it, any child that gets abused, neglected or thrown out as a result, they will be responsible for, all this bull**** about them ‘protecting kids’ then they go and implement policies purposefully putting kids in harms way because they don’t like who they are, it’s gross.

A lot of the time schools are the only safe space for kids who grow up in hostile or uncomfortable surroundings and to choose to take that away from the most already marginalised people, is just a full on act of cruelty

I would never consider secondary schools to be a safe place, full of bullies :shrug: hands up anyone who wasn't bullied at secondary school

[Liam-]

I would never consider secondary schools to be a safe place, full of bullies :shrug: hands up anyone who wasn't bullied at secondary school

Bullied by teachers and guidance officers were you?

[user104658]

Bullied by teachers and guidance officers were you?

Bullying by teachers is extremely common. Sadly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

this is the war we have in our schools..

Female teacher at £20,000-a-year girls' school is forced to
apologise to pupils for saying 'Good afternoon, girls'

A teacher was left 'humiliated' after being ordered to apologise to 11-year-
olds at a private girls' school – for calling them girls.

Bosses at the £20,000-a-year school told the woman to deliver the mea culpa
after her class complained that she had said 'good afternoon, girls' at the
start of a lesson, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

After being told by the pupils that 'not everyone here identifies as female',
she arrived in class the following day to find they had pointedly written their
names and pronouns on the board, including one who used they/them.

They also held a lunchtime protest after she refused to acknowledge their
demands.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11976891/Female-teacher-forced-apologise-saying-Good-afternoon-girls.html


absolute spineless cowards in charge

[Cherie]

this is the war we have in our schools..

Female teacher at £20,000-a-year girls' school is forced to
apologise to pupils for saying 'Good afternoon, girls'

A teacher was left 'humiliated' after being ordered to apologise to 11-year-
olds at a private girls' school – for calling them girls.

Bosses at the £20,000-a-year school told the woman to deliver the mea culpa
after her class complained that she had said 'good afternoon, girls' at the
start of a lesson, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

After being told by the pupils that 'not everyone here identifies as female',
she arrived in class the following day to find they had pointedly written their
names and pronouns on the board, including one who used they/them.

They also held a lunchtime protest after she refused to acknowledge their
demands.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11976891/Female-teacher-forced-apologise-saying-Good-afternoon-girls.html


absolute spineless cowards in charge

Looks like the kids are in charge, wonderful!

[Cherie]

Bullied by teachers and guidance officers were you?

We had teachers who had obvious dislikes for some students yes

I am a bit confused by this safe haven, most schools do nothing about bullying and kids wont report it as it makes it worse

[Cherie]

You didn't answer my question Liam, do you think parents or guardians should be contacted if students are skipping lessons or falling behind with their homework?

[Liam-]

You didn't answer my question Liam, do you think parents or guardians should be contacted if students are skipping lessons or falling behind with their homework?

Yes, because that is about school conduct and rules, contacting parents and outing kids to potentially abusive or negligent parents is a completely different thing, it’s none of the schools business what someone identifies as, as long as nobody is getting hurt or in danger, there is no excuse for a school to get involved so personally with a students life

[user104658]

Yes, because that is about school conduct and rules, contacting parents and outing kids to potentially abusive or negligent parents is a completely different thing, it’s none of the schools business what someone identifies as, as long as nobody is getting hurt or in danger, there is no excuse for a school to get involved so personally with a students life

The idea that a kid could be out and proud at school and it not get back to their parents is -- to be blunt -- absolute fantasy in the first place. School communities are small. If Jenny is Johnny at school, every parent in the catchment area is going to know about it within a couple of months, whether the teachers say anything about it or not. You can't "keep a secret" in a public setting and pretending to a kid that this is even possible is much riskier than being realistic and saying "if this is going to be a thing, your parents are going to know about it".

[user104658]

To use a real world anecdotal example - our next door neighbour's son (15) who is friends with my daughter is gay. My daughter has known since he was about 13. A year later he decided to be openly out at school.

His mum was told by the kid across the street when she announced it to her when she was out washing her car... three DAYS later :joker:. Not an ideal way to be outed to one's parents, I imagine.

[Beso]

War on trans my arsehole.

Just watch all the videos of the TRA abusing and assaulting anyone and everyone involved in womens rights, rosie parker, TLA, etc. Just watch how the police stand back and facilitate them on every video out there.

[Beso]

A person with parental responsibility can make decisions about the child’s upbringing and is entitled to information about their child. For example, they can give consent to the child’s medical treatment and make decisions about the child’s education. They also have the right to receive information about their child’s health and education..

There is no war, the parent has rights and always have done. This is not a new thing, sorry to burst the bubbles, but the school by law, have to divulge things to parents.

[Oliver_W]

it’s none of the schools business what someone identifies as, as long as nobody is getting hurt or in danger, there is no excuse for a school to get involved so personally with a students life

Do you think schools should keep all mental health issues secret?

[GoldHeart]

Yes, because that is about school conduct and rules, contacting parents and outing kids to potentially abusive or negligent parents is a completely different thing, it’s none of the schools business what someone identifies as, as long as nobody is getting hurt or in danger, there is no excuse for a school to get involved so personally with a students life

How can you say it's non of the school's business?, If the parents were abusive or neglectful then the school would get involved in that aswell... So why do you think it's ok to keep parents in the dark over how kids identify?.

Parents & guardians usually need to be kept in the loop of their children's behaviour and progress at school it's important and it's safeguarding, if that Child is suffering with anxiety and depression at school should the teachers also keep that a secret??.

[Glenn.]

Straight people thinking they know how LGBT kids should come out is hilarious

[Oliver_W]

Straight people thinking they know how LGBT kids should come out is hilarious

Being gay doesn't give us any extra insight. Same-sex attraction and having form of dysmorphia aren't the same thing.

[Liam-]

Straight people thinking they know how LGBT kids should come out is hilarious

The eagerness to expose trans kids to potential abuse is frightening but not at all shocking

[Oliver_W]

The eagerness to expose trans kids to potential abuse is frightening but not at all shocking

So let's say it was any other mental condition which has the potential to have lifelong implications like risky medication or bodily mutilation; and has a high correlation with sexual abuse ...

... would they need to be kept secret too?

[Cherie]

Yes, because that is about school conduct and rules, contacting parents and outing kids to potentially abusive or negligent parents is a completely different thing, it’s none of the schools business what someone identifies as, as long as nobody is getting hurt or in danger, there is no excuse for a school to get involved so personally with a students life

Don't you think it would be better for schools to address this with the parents in a professional setting rather than them hearing it second hand? That way the parents reaction can be gauged and the school will be aware if there are issues at home due to the transition. Because trust me the parents will hear about it one way or the other

[GoldHeart]

Straight people thinking they know how LGBT kids should come out is hilarious

Because being gay is exactly the same as thinking you were born in the wrong body and born the wrong sex !??? Sure ok .

[Alf]

Good afternoon girls

[GoldHeart]

Don't you think it would be better for schools to address this with the parents in a professional setting rather than them hearing it second hand? That way the parents reaction can be gauged and the school will be aware if there are issues at home due to the transition. Because trust me the parents will hear about it one way or the other

Exactly

Secrets especially as big as this will find a way to get out ,and imagine the shock for the parents to find out via other ways.

[Alf]

Good afternoon boys

[Alf]

Come and fine me if you dare, come and fine me, if you dare.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its only parents who will stop this social media-led social contagion

its certainly not schools with Heads terrified of blame and losing their BMW x1's

[Alf]

If I was that teacher getting fined, I would tell them to stick their fine right up their backsides.You ain't getting a penny, because I'm allowed to say "good morning girls" in a free country.

[Liam-]

Don't you think it would be better for schools to address this with the parents in a professional setting rather than them hearing it second hand? That way the parents reaction can be gauged and the school will be aware if there are issues at home due to the transition. Because trust me the parents will hear about it one way or the other

By the time the reaction has been ‘gauged’ it’ll be too late, they still will have told potentially abusive, or neglectful parents something they can use against a child.

If they find out through other circumstances then yes, it’s difficult but it’ll happen eventually, a school has no right or basis to reveal irrelevant sensitive information about a student to anybody, unless they’re in danger, or being hurt in any way.

[Beso]

Because being gay is exactly the same as thinking you were born in the wrong body and born the wrong sex !??? Sure ok .

If that's not a mental illness I dont know what is.

[Alf]

Liam, you may not like teachers saying "good morning girls" but please tell me that you would defend their right to say that. Please tell me that you're still with the people of your country?

[Alf]

The normal people will win this war in the end. You may have the media and the rich Globalist World changers/fascists behind you, but we outnumber you by lots.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Straight people thinking they know how LGBT kids should come out is hilarious

"LGBT kids"

:skull:

[Oliver_W]

"LGBT kids"

:skull:

I knew I was gay since I was pretty young :shrug:

[Glenn.]

I knew I was gay since I was pretty young :shrug:

As I said, straight people…

[GoldHeart]

I knew I was gay since I was pretty young :shrug:

That's not the issue Oliver
The issue is how gay , trans & non binary is now all lumped together as the same thing,and I don't care what anyone says sexuality is different from gender. I know they share a community but still.

[arista]

Good afternoon girls


Yes Alf
Live debate now on Piers Morgan.

[Oliver_W]

That's not the issue Oliver
The issue is how gay , trans & non binary is now all lumped together as the same thing,and I don't care what anyone says sexuality is different from gender. I know they share a community but still.

To be fair I don't really see what same-sex attraction has to do with gender dysphoria. May as well lump in LGB folks with those who have severe eating disorders.

[GoldHeart]

To be fair I don't really see what same-sex attraction has to do with gender dysphoria. May as well lump in LGB folks with those who have severe eating disorders.

Exactly
And eating disorders have more similarities with trans .

[Oliver_W]

Exactly
And eating disorders have more similarities with trans .

Agreed. Both are mental health disorders which are defined by discongruity between mind and body.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I knew I was gay since I was pretty young :shrug:

you thought you were

what about all the kids who"knew" but found out they were wrong?

i guess they dont now exist as you were "right"?

[Barry.]

Agreed. Both are mental health disorders which are defined by discongruity between mind and body.

Don’t think wanting to be the different sex is a mental problem. They are just in the wrong body, to them, and we should all be happy for them to get the right gender

[Oliver_W]

you thought you were

what about all the kids who"knew" but found out they were wrong?

i guess they dont now exist as you were "right"?
If they're wrong, then ... they won't date people of the same sex? You can retract a coming out, or simply change your mind, if it turns out to not actually be the way your sex drive is wired after all.

Don’t think wanting to be the different sex is a mental problem. They are just in the wrong body, to them, and we should all be happy for them to get the right gender
Gender is a social construct. If someone has that strong of a disconnect between their body and brain, it's absolutely a mental problem.

[Barry.]

If they're wrong, then ... they won't date people of the same sex? You can retract a coming out, or simply change your mind, if it turns out to not actually be the way your sex drive is wired after all.


Gender is a social construct. If someone has that strong of a disconnect between their body and brain, it's absolutely a mental problem.

It’s not a mental problem. Don’t be ***** now

[Oliver_W]

It’s not a mental problem. Don’t be ***** now

Then what is it?

Just a mental issue?

[Barry.]

Then what is it?

Just a mental issue?

It’s gender identity problems not a mental disorder. Do you know anyone who’s went through it? They will tell you it ain’t a mental problem

[Oliver_W]

It’s gender identity problems not a mental disorder.
What's the difference? "Gender identity" is in the mind, making it mental by definition.

[Beso]

It’s gender identity problems not a mental disorder. Do you know anyone who’s went through it? They will tell you it ain’t a mental problem

One of the uks leading protagonists for the TRA, cut his cock off in jail.

Does that sound like someone of sane mind to you?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s gender identity problems not a mental disorder. Do you know anyone who’s went through it? They will tell you it ain’t a mental problem

lol

can you tell us what it is then?

[Barry.]

One of the uks leading protagonists for the TRA, cut his cock off in jail.

Does that sound like someone of sane mind to you?

Well he may of had mental health by doing that. Trans people get a professional to have the surgery.

[Barry.]

lol

can you tell us what it is then?

Are you saying all trans people have mental health problems because they are in the right body?

[Oliver_W]

Are you saying all trans people have mental health problems because they are in the right body?

There's no such thing as a right or wrong body. Any form of dysmorphia is a mental health problem.

[Barry.]

There's no such thing as a right or wrong body. Any form of dysmorphia is a mental health problem.

Well you would say that as you aren’t trans

[Barry.]

The first line here even says it’s not a mental illness

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/21963-transgender-ensuring-mental-health

[GoldHeart]

It’s gender identity problems not a mental disorder. Do you know anyone who’s went through it? They will tell you it ain’t a mental problem

Gender dysphoria is technically a mental disorder that gets diagnosed by a doctor or therapist. I don't know why you're trying to change the definition.

[Barry.]

Gender dysphoria is technically a mental disorder that gets diagnosed by a doctor or therapist. I don't know why you're trying to change the definition.

A doctor doesn’t tell you if you want to be male or female, the person does.

[Oliver_W]

Well you would say that as you aren’t trans
Which makes me able to be objective.

In what world is a mental clash between mind and body not a mental illness?

Would you say eating disorders aren't either?

The first line here even says it’s not a mental illness

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/21963-transgender-ensuring-mental-health

Well they would say that as they are trans :laugh:

[Barry.]

Which makes me able to be objective.

In what world is a mental clash between mind and body not a mental illness?

Would you say eating disorders aren't either?



Well they would say that as they are trans :laugh:

So you are saying a trans person is wrong but you are right? Hmm ok, got it.

[GoldHeart]

Which makes me able to be objective.

In what world is a mental clash between mind and body not a mental illness?

Would you say eating disorders aren't either?



Well they would say that as they are trans :laugh:


I've noticed even on NHS website they're tip toeing around the definition of trans/ gender dysphoria. We all know it's how they feel but it's still psychological condition aswell. And other issues usually get diagnosed aswell as ie depression ,anxiety etc .

[Beso]

The first line here even says it’s not a mental illness

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/21963-transgender-ensuring-mental-health

Can you copy and paste the whole article please.

[AnnieK]

So you are saying a trans person is wrong but you are right? Hmm ok, got it.

In the same breath though would you say a skeletal person who feels they are fat is wrong but you are right....of course you would. They won't listen because they know how they feel

Every issue is pertinent to the person who is dealing with it....people on the periphery will view it differently. Trans issues need to be dealt with with empathy and understanding but it is one if a myriad of issues people deal with eith regards to body issues and dysmorphia.

[Oliver_W]

So you are saying a trans person is wrong but you are right? Hmm ok, got it.

In this particular case, I'm not the one with gender-based body dysmorphia, so yes, I'm right and they're wrong.

In the same way that someone with an eating disorder might believe they're fat, when they're ... clearly not.

[Barry.]

In this particular case, I'm not the one with gender-based body dysmorphia, so yes, I'm right and they're wrong.

In the same way that someone with an eating disorder might believe they're fat, when they're ... clearly not.

There’s a big difference between an eating disorder and trans, you are really being beyond what you think you know.

[Oliver_W]

There’s a big difference between an eating disorder and trans, you are really being beyond what you think you know.

Why? Why are they different?

[Barry.]

Why? Why are they different?

Because one is they want to be the right sex and know that’s what they want, even from being children. One is an illness that can be helped with.

I provided proof of why trans isn’t an illness yet you ignore it because they are trans and it doesn’t suit your space of mind.

[Liam-]

It’s a very particular sort of sad to see gay men spout off the same nonsense about trans people that was peddled not all that long ago about gay people to demonise and dehumanise trans people

[Oliver_W]

Because one is they want to be the right sex and know that’s what they want, even from being children. One is an illness that can be helped with.

How is believing you're in the wrong sexed body any different to believing you're in the wrong size? Why is only one of these an illness?

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-16252a00-c21d-49b3-a848-1e5e21d86f33.jpeg

[Oliver_W]

to demonise and dehumanise trans people

I'm not demonising or dehumanising them. This stigmatisation of people with mental disorders is sad.

[GoldHeart]

It’s a very particular sort of sad to see gay men spout off the same nonsense about trans people that was peddled not all that long ago about gay people to demonise and dehumanise trans people

So because not all gay people agree with you , therefore it's "demonising" & "nonsense" ?? . You just want a hive mind set of followers.

A lesbian is basically told she's 'transphobic' for not wanting to date a biological man aka trans woman , that's what it's come to now . Yet you say they're "dehumanising tans" ?!.

[Mystic Mock]

Bullying by teachers is extremely common. Sadly.

I can testify to that at Primary School.

[Mystic Mock]

So because not all gay people agree with you , therefore it's "demonising" & "nonsense" ?? . You just want a hive mind set of followers.

A lesbian is basically told she's 'transphobic' for not wanting to date a biological man aka trans woman , that's what it's come to now . Yet you say they're "dehumanising tans" ?!.

Nobody should be telling anybody else what their sexual preferences should be imo.

Like in your example a lesbian isn't Transphobic for not wanting to date a Transwoman imo, however being hostile to her for being a Transwoman would be Transphobic.

[Cherie]

By the time the reaction has been ‘gauged’ it’ll be too late, they still will have told potentially abusive, or neglectful parents something they can use against a child.

If they find out through other circumstances then yes, it’s difficult but it’ll happen eventually, a school has no right or basis to reveal irrelevant sensitive information about a student to anybody, unless they’re in danger, or being hurt in any way.

I find it troubling that you think its better for parents to find out by second hand means, rather than a discussion with another adult face to face about their child.

What do you think the parents will do once they hear it from outside sources....ring the school!!!! The scene is then set as the parent will be angry or upset that other people in school community knew before them, and the discussion will go downhill from there...the teachers hands were tied, but they will be in the firing line

[Beso]

Lesbians are being attacked by trans activists, because lesbians don't want to share toilets with men.

[user104658]

The scene is then set as the parent will be angry or upset that other people in school community knew before them, and the discussion will go downhill from there...the teachers hands were tied, but they will be in the firing line

Agreed, as I said before I find the idea that a teen could be living a "double life" at school and it not get back to their parents more or less immediately very, very doubtful and if those parents do end up having issues, and then find out that the school kept information from them about their child, the trust is completely gone from that parent-school relationship and so anythignt he school could have done to support or help that child in their home environment is actually drastically reduced. The parents are not going to want to hear anything they have to say -- when they might have been able to help.

[Liam-]

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque

[user104658]

It’s a very particular sort of sad to see gay men spout off the same nonsense about trans people that was peddled not all that long ago about gay people to demonise and dehumanise trans people

The conflation of gender and sexuality is quite odd as they have very little in common as psychosocial concepts, especially when it comes to social integration. Sexuality is 100% internal and an individual's sexuality is personal and has no bearing on anything other than their own private life and relationships. Gender, on the other hand, is a social construct that is 100% rooted in external presentation and observation. NOTHING AT ALL hat affects anyone other than those involved has to structurally change in society to accommodate homosexuality. The idea that that is also true with trans issues, that it's the same, is one of the biggest lies peddled by LGBTQ, and really undermines the reasons that the oppression of and refusal to legally acknowledge homosexual couples was so awful in the first place. That it affected no one else, people just "didn't like it".

I would note that, largely, societal acceptance was exactly the same on trans issues until there was a clear and determined push on aspects that did affect other people (namely, women) with a refusal to debate and discuss those issues in a collaborative way ... just a "we want, we want now". Borrowed from the gay rights movement, where again, it WAS reasonable to say that, there was no real reason for discussion because no one was affected.

I'm sure the response will just be along the lines of "nah it's the same no one is affected by people just living their lives you just want to erase trans existence for some reason" but again ... it's a lie. A really damaging lie.

[user104658]

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque

"Invade their personal life" - if they're openly trans at school then it's not their personal life, it's their public life. And thus for the school to not openly discuss that with parents, they would be actively engaging in keeping an aspect of that child's openly public school social life "a secret" from their family.

I agree that they shouldn't send an announcement email for no reason at all but the idea that it should be "kept hush hush" during communication with parents is bizarre. What pronouns should the school use in communication with the parents? What name should they use at parents evening if Kylie is known to them on a daily basis as Kevin?

[Niamh.]

The conflation of gender and sexuality is quite odd as they have very little in common as psychosocial concepts, especially when it comes to social integration. Sexuality is 100% internal and an individual's sexuality is personal and has no bearing on anything other than their own private life and relationships. Gender, on the other hand, is a social construct that is 100% rooted in external presentation and observation. NOTHING AT ALL hat affects anyone other than those involved has to structurally change in society to accommodate homosexuality. The idea that that is also true with trans issues, that it's the same, is one of the biggest lies peddled by LGBTQ, and really undermines the reasons that the oppression of and refusal to legally acknowledge homosexual couples was so awful in the first place. That it affected no one else, people just "didn't like it".

I would note that, largely, societal acceptance was exactly the same on trans issues until there was a clear and determined push on aspects that did affect other people (namely, women) with a refusal to debate and discuss those issues in a collaborative way ... just a "we want, we want now". Borrowed from the gay rights movement, where again, it WAS reasonable to say that, there was no real reason for discussion because no one was affected.

I'm sure the response will just be along the lines of "nah it's the same no one is affected by people just living their lives you just want to erase trans existence for some reason" but again ... it's a lie. A really damaging lie.

Yep.

There's not even any point in saying the same **** over and over again because Liam just likes to gaslight and pretend women don't really care about our rights, we just hate transpeople existing......because that's much more likely isn't it? We can't possibly care about girls and women being put in dangerous and unfair positions in sport no no no it must be that we hate transwomen. We couldn't possibly be concerned for vulnerable womens safety in prisons or rape crisis shelters or for girls and women where they might be in a state of undress like changing rooms etc, nope just hate transwomen........

Pointless.

[Oliver_W]

private life
Private Life!
https://media.tenor.com/Sqim5R9QsaIAAAAC/jack-black-salute.gif

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque
Do you think a school should also keep it secret if a child is sticking their fingers down their throat after every meal? Or if they're taking drugs, even if those drugs don't currently cause them overt health or personal issues?

[Crimson Dynamo]

They need to bring back corporal punishment

[Oliver_W]

corporal punishment
Corporal Punishment!
https://i.gifer.com/origin/d6/d65b1356c128791f5180830a34b73abf_w200.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

TU5fR5FIlhU

[arista]

2 Trans are on
tonights 8PM Naked Education Ch4HD

[Cherie]

If a parent just happens to find it out either by themselves or through a grapevine, then that’s just the way it is, you will never convince me that a school has the right to invade a students personal life like this, unless they’re suspected of being in danger or being hurt.

It’s all ‘protect kids’ until it’s trans kids, then it’s fine to expose them to abuse because of who they are, grotesque

That makes no sense at all, so getting in touch with a parent if their child is being bullied, showing signs of an eating disorder, showing signs of mental health issuses, having issues with other students is protection but gettiing in touch with a parent who will find out anyway that their child wants to be another gender is not protection...I really dont get it...you are coming from the point of view that all parents will batter their kids senseless which is likely not to happen, .what will the teacher do on parents evening side eye the kid and mouth 'what do I call you in front of Mom and Dad'

[Crimson Dynamo]

That makes no sense at all, so getting in touch with a parent if their child is being bullied, showing signs of an eating disorder, showing signs of mental health issuses, having issues with other students is protection but gettiing in touch with a parent who will find out anyway that their child wants to be another gender is not protection...I really dont get it...you are coming from the point of view that all parents will batter their kids senseless which is likely not to happen, .what will the teacher do on parents evening side eye the kid and mouth 'what do I call you in front of Mom and Dad'

its kind of cut and paste reply from twitter territory...

[Liam-]

That makes no sense at all, so getting in touch with a parent if their child is being bullied, showing signs of an eating disorder, showing signs of mental health issuses, having issues with other students is protection but gettiing in touch with a parent who will find out anyway that their child wants to be another gender is not protection...I really dont get it...you are coming from the point of view that all parents will batter their kids senseless which is likely not to happen, .what will the teacher do on parents evening side eye the kid and mouth 'what do I call you in front of Mom and Dad'

Yes, if a child is being bullied, shows signs of abuse, shows signs of drug use, shows signs of deteriorating health, they are all appropriate things to notify parents over, because not doing so could be detrimental, being forced to notify parents if they overhear a student or their friends referring to them by a different name or pronouns, is not now, or ever be an appropriate thing to get involved in because it’s got nothing to do with them or their duties.

I haven’t said anywhere that all parents will abuse their children at all and you know that, I’ve very clearly said that these kids will be exposed to the possibility of abuse and that should be what people are concerned about, not parents so called rights to know and control absolutely everything about their child, it is not a schools place to put children to potentially abusive or negligent parents and it never will be

[Beso]

A trans child is likely to suffer everything you have listed above Liam. So the school can then phone the parents to come in for a chat to discuss what's causing it.

[Oliver_W]

People who identify as trans have a high co-morbodity rate with other mental disorders, and there's also a correlation with sexual abuse, particularly with girls who identify as boys or nonbinary.

[Barry.]

People who identify as trans have a high co-morbodity rate with other mental disorders, and there's also a correlation with sexual abuse, particularly with girls who identify as boys or nonbinary.

Source?

[Oliver_W]

Source?

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J056v06n03_04?journalCode=wzph20
https://scholars.direct/Articles/psychiatry/jptr-3-007.php?jid=psychiatry

[Mystic Mock]

They need to bring back corporal punishment

Alison Mack is on TIBB.:omgno:

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Transgender activists are outraged that Twitter has quietly removed restrictions
on 'dead-naming' and misgendering people

https://i.insider.com/6274db6894a2c10018ee3b1c?width=700

Transgender activists and their allies are expressing outrage after restrictions
on "dead-naming" and misgendering were deleted from Twitter's Terms of
Service.

The policy was enacted in 2018 before tech billionaire Elon Musk bought the
popular platform for $44 billion. On Sunday, Musk opined that declarations of
preferred pronouns were "virtue-signaling" that could be used as a shield by
bad people.

Two days later, the policy against misgendering was changed.

Sarah Kate Ellis, the president and CEO of GLAAD, told the Associated Press
that the change in policy would lead to violence against transgender people.

“Twitter’s decision to covertly roll back its longtime policy is the latest
example of just how unsafe the company is for users and advertisers alike,”
said Ellis.

“This decision to roll back LGBTQ safety pulls Twitter even more out of step
with TikTok, Pinterest, and Meta, which all maintain similar policies to protect
their transgender users at a time when anti-transgender rhetoric online is
leading to real-world discrimination and violence," she added.

Others attacked Twitter with their tweets.

"Twitter lifts it's policy on targeted misgendering and deadnaming and the
freaks are out gleefully misgendering and deadnaming every prominent trans
person as an achievement. It's not about speech, it's about bullies wanting
to harass people because of who they are," said activist Alejandra Caraballo.

"Every decision Musk makes is bad for free speech, safety, business," tweeted attorney Nora Benavidez.

"This is absolutely exhausting. Every day something else happens to show
just how much people despise trans people and don’t care about what
happens to us and it’s really *******ing overwhelming and frightening," said a rather hysterical user who identifies as a bisexual.

At least one other account called the policy change a "genocidal move."

Some public schools have changed their policies to include dead-naming and
misgendering as "slurs" and threatened to suspend students who refuse to
follow the new rules.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/transgender-twitter-misgendering-activists

[Oliver_W]

"Unsafe"
"Genocidal"

:joker:

Are tranners like fairies from Peter Pan, where they die if you don't believe in them?

[Livia]

"Unsafe"
"Genocidal"

:joker:

Are tranners like fairies from Peter Pan, where they die if you don't believe in them?

Lmao......

[arista]

["Every decision Musk makes is bad for free speech, safety, business,"
tweeted attorney Nora Benavidez.]

That's the Right Way.

[user104658]

"Unsafe"
"Genocidal"

:joker:


The idea tends to be (not just with trans, with lots of the new identity politics/dogma) that if people don't validate and confirm the beliefs of others and question their reality, and that causes a break in their cognitive dissonance that leads to them harming themselves, then that action is akin to assault and/or murder.

The logic is flimsy at best and flat out dangerous if taken to an extreme.

[Crimson Dynamo]

sick

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1648734402422112269?s=20

THUGS

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1648732357606637570?s=20

[Cherie]

I think you should rename this thread as Trangenders at War

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think you should rename this thread as Trangenders at War

Its become a parody title tbh

[Liam-]

Nah, the title is perfectly true thank you

[GoldHeart]

Nah, the title is perfectly true thank you

Do you have anything to say about the woman assaulted in a female shelter ......by a man pretending to be a woman??.

[Mystic Mock]

"Transgender activists are outraged that Twitter has quietly removed restrictions
on 'dead-naming' and misgendering people

https://i.insider.com/6274db6894a2c10018ee3b1c?width=700

Transgender activists and their allies are expressing outrage after restrictions
on "dead-naming" and misgendering were deleted from Twitter's Terms of
Service.

The policy was enacted in 2018 before tech billionaire Elon Musk bought the
popular platform for $44 billion. On Sunday, Musk opined that declarations of
preferred pronouns were "virtue-signaling" that could be used as a shield by
bad people.

Two days later, the policy against misgendering was changed.

Sarah Kate Ellis, the president and CEO of GLAAD, told the Associated Press
that the change in policy would lead to violence against transgender people.

“Twitter’s decision to covertly roll back its longtime policy is the latest
example of just how unsafe the company is for users and advertisers alike,”
said Ellis.

“This decision to roll back LGBTQ safety pulls Twitter even more out of step
with TikTok, Pinterest, and Meta, which all maintain similar policies to protect
their transgender users at a time when anti-transgender rhetoric online is
leading to real-world discrimination and violence," she added.

Others attacked Twitter with their tweets.

"Twitter lifts it's policy on targeted misgendering and deadnaming and the
freaks are out gleefully misgendering and deadnaming every prominent trans
person as an achievement. It's not about speech, it's about bullies wanting
to harass people because of who they are," said activist Alejandra Caraballo.

"Every decision Musk makes is bad for free speech, safety, business," tweeted attorney Nora Benavidez.

"This is absolutely exhausting. Every day something else happens to show
just how much people despise trans people and don’t care about what
happens to us and it’s really *******ing overwhelming and frightening," said a rather hysterical user who identifies as a bisexual.

At least one other account called the policy change a "genocidal move."

Some public schools have changed their policies to include dead-naming and
misgendering as "slurs" and threatened to suspend students who refuse to
follow the new rules.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/transgender-twitter-misgendering-activists

Tbf why do people want to be an asshole by dead naming or misgendering on purpose? Even if you don't agree with their view about how they see themselves, it is just about being respectful towards other people.

And look I get you might accidentally misgender someone, and that's fine because you're not being an asshole towards someone deliberately.

[Mystic Mock]

sick

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1648734402422112269?s=20

THUGS

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1648732357606637570?s=20

These Queers Bash Back sounds like a great Star Wars Movie.

[Mystic Mock]

I think you should rename this thread as Trangenders at War

There are definitely people out there that would gladly harm Transpeople.

There are extremes on both sides of this topic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tbf why do people want to be an asshole by dead naming or misgendering on purpose?

because its all made up BS mock

If i told you if criticised Villa its called "Villafying"
and then told you you were a villaphobe

would you stop?

its a tactic to shut down an argument

its means NOTHING

[Mystic Mock]

because its all made up BS mock

If i told you if criticised Villa its called "Villafying"
and then told you you were a villaphobe

would you stop?

its a tactic to shut down an argument

its means NOTHING

Disliking or liking a Football team isn't being disrespectful towards how someone identifies though.

And I'm not saying that anyone has to even like the Trans community (or any community for that matter) I just don't support deliberately being provocative towards them, like some of these people know that deadnaming is going to upset them which has me question why anyone would want to do that? Even if you don't like them when has it become okay to upset people just because you don't like them?

I'm not saying you as in you LT, I mean you as the general anti-Trans movement.

And look I don't support everything on the LGBTQ side of the debate, like I don't see J.K Rowling as the next Hitler, and the Trigender lady on your Woke Awareness thread was someone that I personally can't even comprehend, but I won't support deliberately upsetting them for no reason other than to be provocative.

[thesheriff443]

Do you have anything to say about the woman assaulted in a female shelter ......by a man pretending to be a woman??.

He didn’t answer when I asked for his opinion on the man that raped a woman then claimed to be a woman at his trial

Some one like him does more harm than good to the trans community

[Alf]

Tbf why do people want to be an asshole by dead naming or misgendering on purpose? Even if you don't agree with their view about how they see themselves, it is just about being respectful towards other people.

And look I get you might accidentally misgender someone, and that's fine because you're not being an asshole towards someone deliberately.If a man wants to pretend to be a woman, then that's up to him.

If that man wants us to pretend that he's a woman, then that's up to us.

You seem to be advocating for forced compliance by trying to shame people as assholes if the don't comply.

[Mystic Mock]

If a man wants to pretend to be a woman, then that's up to him.

If that man wants us to pretend that he's a woman, then that's up to us.

You seem to be advocating for forced compliance by trying to shame people as assholes if the don't comply.

I'm saying that deliberately misgendering or deadnaming people just to be offensive is being an asshole.

If you have a fair point to be made like the Sports or the Toilets then a debate can be had that isn't being an asshole and isn't "forced compliance" which is never something I'd advocate anyway as that's bringing law enforcement into the equation, which I don't support for saying something that I don't agree with, I prefer to have a debate like we're having now.

[Bollo]

From the original Op post i do fully support the trans community and believe people should have the freedom to be whatever gender or sexuality they are without prejudice. However I do believe there should be pyschological safeguards in place for any trans person wanting to undergo physical change by surgery or medication as these processes are irreversible. I know a lot of young people who have wanted to transition , only to discover later on that this was not their actual issue. I also have a family member who was clinical pyschologist who has had many patients wanting to detransition after starting transition, so there does need to be safeguarding in place.

[GoldHeart]

He didn’t answer when I asked for his opinion on the man that raped a woman then claimed to be a woman at his trial

Some one like him does more harm than good to the trans community

I think most of us are on his ignore list , which is fine ... it just proves my point that we'll never be able to discuss these issues like adults.

[GoldHeart]

From the original Op post i do fully support the trans community and believe people should have the freedom to be whatever gender or sexuality they are without prejudice. However I do believe there should be pyschological safeguards in place for any trans person wanting to undergo physical change by surgery or medication as these processes are irreversible. I know a lot of young people who have wanted to transition , only to discover later on that this was not their actual issue. I also have a family member who was clinical pyschologist who has had many patients wanting to detransition after starting transition, so there does need to be safeguarding in place.

They shouldn't transition until they're 18 and even then they might still be unsure it's what they really want , and i agree about the safeguarding being in place. People these days rush too much into these decisions. When it's not just going to the salon for a new hair do ..... this is a life altering procedure that's irreversible like you say.

[Alf]

I'm saying that deliberately misgendering or deadnaming people just to be offensive is being an asshole.

If you have a fair point to be made like the Sports or the Toilets then a debate can be had that isn't being an asshole and isn't "forced compliance" which is never something I'd advocate anyway as that's bringing law enforcement into the equation, which I don't support for saying something that I don't agree with, I prefer to have a debate like we're having now.But if we know that they are not that gender but are just saying they are because that's what they want. Then we're not misgendering them. We're referring to them by their real gender, not their fantasy one. They are the ones misgendering, by misgendering themselves.

[Alf]

From the original Op post i do fully support the trans community and believe people should have the freedom to be whatever gender or sexuality they are without prejudice. However I do believe there should be pyschological safeguards in place for any trans person wanting to undergo physical change by surgery or medication as these processes are irreversible. I know a lot of young people who have wanted to transition , only to discover later on that this was not their actual issue. I also have a family member who was clinical pyschologist who has had many patients wanting to detransition after starting transition, so there does need to be safeguarding in place.Of course young people want to change gender. All their celebrity stars on the television are constantly telling them how great and brave transgender people are and how the LGBT community should be celebrated. What young impressionable kid wouldn't want to be part of that good stuff? And they have their idols blessings.

It's called grooming.

In the 1910s young impressionable kids were told is was great and brave to go and fight for your country in war. So they jumped on board, most of them to their deaths.

[Alf]

I think you should rename this thread as Trangenders at WarHere's some proof to back your statement here up.


1648826939166306304

[arista]

This is Terrible,
Alf.

In USA it is legal to buy a gun in Walmart

This will not end well.

[arista]

1648774848838074368

[Mystic Mock]

But if we know that they are not that gender but are just saying they are because that's what they want. Then we're not misgendering them. We're referring to them by their real gender, not their fantasy one. They are the ones misgendering, by misgendering themselves.

I honestly think it depends on the setting.

In normal every day life I will call people by what they want to be called (or at least try to) but Sports is where I can meet you halfway a little bit as I can't ignore Biology in that particular area.

And the Toilets I honestly believe that the decision should be up to women to decide like I've said on here in the past, it's not really my place to decide one way or the other.

But anyway I personally don't support deliberately upsetting people just for the sake of it, especially when most of the community aren't criminals.

[Cherie]

Here's some proof to back your statement here up.


1648826939166306304

perfectly acceptable from another User hottie, no one will dare challenge that thinking, every demo you see there are placards calling for death to anyone who raises the obvious loopholes, they ae prepared to throw liquids at people, so far harmless liquids, that will change though, and they are masked up...why? you are so proud of being trans why cover your face

[Oliver_W]

LGBTQ
Please don't include that slur in our acronym. It's LGBT.

I'm saying that deliberately misgendering or deadnaming people just to be offensive is being an asshole.

It's honestly no different than telling someone you consider them ugly for no reason - It's technically the truth, but it's rude to say it. Nothing more.

general anti-Trans
General Antitrans!
https://www.icegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/icegif-991.gif

[Crimson Dynamo]

Here's some proof to back your statement here up.


1648826939166306304

another nasty man in a wig upset by being told NO by a woman

[Liam-]

From the original Op post i do fully support the trans community and believe people should have the freedom to be whatever gender or sexuality they are without prejudice. However I do believe there should be pyschological safeguards in place for any trans person wanting to undergo physical change by surgery or medication as these processes are irreversible. I know a lot of young people who have wanted to transition , only to discover later on that this was not their actual issue. I also have a family member who was clinical pyschologist who has had many patients wanting to detransition after starting transition, so there does need to be safeguarding in place.

People can’t just pop into a hospital, demand gender reassignment surgery and they get it asap, that’s just not a thing, people already have to see therapists and consult doctors before being given the go ahead for it, it’s not as easy and instant as the anti-trans movement have made it seem it is, it shows the level of ignorance and general lack of understanding people have about trans people and what they go through

[Crimson Dynamo]

People can’t just pop into a hospital, demand gender reassignment surgery and they get it asap, that’s just not a thing, people already have to see therapists and consult doctors before being given the go ahead for it, it’s not as easy and instant as the anti-trans movement have made it seem it is, it shows the level of ignorance and general lack of understanding people have trans people and what they go through

anti-trans movement does not exist


you just made it up as a straw man

[Cherie]

1648774848838074368

:joker:

[Liam-]

Banning certain aspects of education, no respect for women, wanting to control women’s bodies, happy for children to marry adults, happy for lgbt people to have no rights, happy to punish people for not following the words of their god.. the Christian extremists are very similar to the taliban, they just haven’t gone on to publicly executing people yet.. well, they haven’t don’t that for a while, who knows, they could go back to it any day now the way things are going

[Crimson Dynamo]

1648774848838074368

:facepalm:

[Cherie]

Here's some proof to back your statement here up.


1648826939166306304

nada Liam? you are not a big fan of guns surely you should be denoucing this trans woman?

[Cherie]

Banning certain aspects of education, no respect for women, wanting to control women’s bodies, happy for children to marry adults, happy for lgbt people to have no rights, happy to punish people for not following the words of their god.. the Christian extremists are very similar to the taliban, they just haven’t gone on to publicly executing people yet.. well, they haven’t don’t that for a while, who knows, they could go back to it any day now the way things are going

There is alot of it about

[user104658]

To be fair Christianity has indeed done all of those things at various times throughout history and it would be a touch naive to assume that things can't go backwards. We should take any and all signs of religious zealotry seriously, especially when they ooze into politics.

[GoldHeart]

To be fair Christianity has indeed done all of those things at various times throughout history and it would be a touch naive to assume that things can't go backwards. We should take any and all signs of religious zealotry seriously, especially when they ooze into politics.

Can someone please tell me why Christianity is always brought up more than other religions re: 'extreme views' , when Islam & Judaism and other religions more or less have the same views if not stronger.

As for child marriage & paedophilia that is still happening in Muslim countries,but I guess we're not allowed to mention that as it's "Islam phobic" .

[user104658]

Can someone please tell me why Christianity is always brought up more than other religions re: 'extreme views' , when Islam & Judaism and other religions more or less have the same views if not stronger.

As for child marriage & paedophilia that is still happening in Muslim countries,but I guess we're not allowed to mention that as it's "Islam phobic" .

Frankly I don't think that's true, Islam is mentioned plenty in the public sphere and has been mentioned on here plenty (I would hazard, more than Christianity) over the years.

The reason Christiantiy is CURRENTLY mentioned a lot is that Christianity in the west has until recently been a very measured/moderate religion but there are recently quite clear signs of a resurgence of strong evangelical / fundamentalist Christian views and organisations.

We ignore them at our peril... fundementalist christianity is ****ing scary.

I'd also point out that at the end of the day, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all Abrahamic religions. Different flavours of the same crisps.

[Alf]

Can someone please tell me why Christianity is always brought up more than other religions re: 'extreme views' , when Islam & Judaism and other religions more or less have the same views if not stronger.

As for child marriage & paedophilia that is still happening in Muslim countries,but I guess we're not allowed to mention that as it's "Islam phobic" .Fear. They have none towards Christianity. So that's easy for them to bring up.

[user104658]

Fear. They have none towards Christianity. So that's easy for them to bring up.

Again I would point out that, especially in the US (many states), there's a lot more to fear from Christian fanaticism than there is from Islamic extremists (by sheer numbers).

We don't (currently) see the same thing in the UK, that much is true.

[GoldHeart]

Fear. They have none towards Christianity. So that's easy for them to bring up.

Plus there isn't a word towards prejudice towards Christianity.

If someone hates all religion then they should just be honest about all religion, that clip mentioning 'extreme Christianity ' are the same people who are too scared to mention the colour of a terrorist's skin in fear of being called 'islam phobic' .

I'm not saying there isn't crazy evangelical groups and weird cults ,but they should be consistent and less hypocritical. There's countries pushing people off buildings.

[GoldHeart]

Again I would point out that, especially in the US (many states), there's a lot more to fear from Christian fanaticism than there is from Islamic extremists (by sheer numbers).

We don't (currently) see the same thing in the UK, that much is true.

I know what you're saying but I still get the impression the vocal people against Christianity still see it as an easy target. Nobody would dare mock the Qur'an. The only person who did was an autistic child here in the UK, and the mother had to wear a head scarf and profusely apologise on his behalf in fear of backlash.

[Oliver_W]

To be fair, no-one's life would be endangered for kicking a Bible, or for drawing Jesus.

[user104658]

I know what you're saying but I still get the impression the vocal people against Christianity still see it as an easy target. Nobody would dare mock the Qur'an. The only person who did was an autistic child here in the UK, and the mother had to wear a head scarf and profusely apologise on his behalf in fear of backlash.

I genuinely think you'd see similar scenes in bible-belt USA if someone defiled or burned a bible.

I'm not saying you're wrong about there being a discrepancy in the UK, but I think there's an idea that the US in this sense is socially similar to the UK when it really isn't. The coastal states and cities, yes. The heavy red southern states and bible belt no. They are VERY seriously Christian. We don't see anything like it in the UK other than a few very small communities that tend to keep themselves to themselves.

[user104658]

To be fair, no-one's life would be endangered for kicking a Bible, or for drawing Jesus.

Again again, if someone burned or ripped up a bible in the middle of a heavily Christian school in a heavily Christian state, I think it's highly likely that them and their family would be forced to relocate for their safety.

Y'all are underestimating the depth of Christian fervor in parts of the US.