Madeleine McCann [Police 'looking at eight important new leads']

[Sunny_01]

Amy seriously look it up, they are not that accurate, in fact many countries will not accept them in court as they are so unpredictable. All they do is check a persons blood pressure etc.. in response to certain questions, someone who is a real cool cucumber (DR) could well fool this type of machine.

Yes they went to the trouble of having IVF to have children as they had a genuine desire to have children, but that does not mean that something did not happen to Madeline while in their care.

We are all being realistic here, there is as much circumstantial evidence to say they may have been involved as there is to say they may not have been, we all have different opinions on what could and could not have happened. I would never rule someone out just because of who they are, what they do, how they appear to behave.

[spacebandit]

The simplistic methodology used in polygraph testing has no grounding in the scientific method: it is no more scientific than astrology or tarot cards. Government agencies value it because people who don't realize it's a fraud sometimes make damaging admissions. But as a result of reliance on this voodoo science, the truthful are often falsely branded as liars while the deceptive pass through.

Perversely, the "test" is inherently biased against the truthful, because the more honestly one answers the "control" questions, and as a consequence feels less stress when answering them, the more likely one is to fail. Conversely, liars can beat the test by covertly augmenting their physiological reactions to the "control" questions. This can be done, for example, by doing mental arithmetic, thinking exciting thoughts, altering one's breathing pattern, or simply biting the side of the tongue. Truthful persons can also use these techniques to protect themselves against the risk of a false positive outcome. Although polygraphers frequently claim they can detect such countermeasures, no polygrapher has ever demonstrated any ability to do so, and peer-reviewed research suggests that they can't.






http://www.antipolygraph.org/index.shtml

http://www.skeptics.org.uk/article.php?dir=articles&article=polygraph_or_lie_detector.php

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
Portuguese police, assisted by the finest British forensics.

Are you questioning the integrity of the British forensic service who placed Madeline's lifeless corpse in a hire car that they acquired one month after this alleged abduction.

Who is more credible, British Forensics, backing up the proper police authorities in Portugal or a couple who are suspected of killing their own daughter.


British police have only played a small part in the overall investigation. The British police have to rely on the integrity of the evidence found by those portuguese idiots.

Not even the portuguese police have claimed what you suggest regarding the body in a car.....All they have said that there is DNA which may be a match or close match. That's a long way from saying for sure a body has been placed in the car. Other close relatives have used that car.....

Sticks I really hope you have not or ever get the chance to do jury service. Such a prospect is really scary...:laugh:

[Sticks]

It looks like the Portuguese DA knows they did it, hence the warning to the police that they need to find the body or the McCanns will escape justice.

source (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007440460,00.html)

He has 10 boxes of evidence so there must be something in it, just not quite enough for a conviction.

Reminds me of the Scottish verdict of "Not Proven" where it means, we think you did it, but they did not quite prove it.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks


Reminds me of the Scottish verdict of "Not Proven" where it means, we think you did it, but they did not quite prove it.

Also the US standard of Civil Liability

Where there is not enough evidence to convict you in a criminal trial where it has to be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt", but you can be found guilty in a civil trial where the burden of proof is the "balance of probabilities"

OJ Simpson was acquitted of murder in a criminal trial but found culpable in a civil case

[Sticks]

Source (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/16318/Cops-close-in-on-Maddie/)



COPS CLOSE IN ON MADDIE

POLICE were last night ordered to find Madeleine McCann’s body to stop her parents “escaping” justice.

Prosecutors are convinced Kate McCann killed her daughter and roped in husband Gerry to help dispose of the corpse.

But they have warned unless Madeleine’s body is found the couple may never be charged in connection with her death.

Last night detectives in Portugal revealed they were no longer looking for the “living” four-year-old.

Prosecutors may charge the McCanns, both 39, with child neglect for leaving Madeleine and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie while they dined in a tapas bar 40 yards away in Praia da Luz.

The offence carries a maximum two-year jail sentence in Portugal.

Manslaughter, the charge police want to bring against Kate, carries a maximum three years. Last night the McCanns said the legal battle would be a “long haul” and could take a year.

Police chiefs are convinced former hospital anaesthetist Kate killed her daughter with an accidental overdose of sedatives.

They believe the couple hid the body close to their apartment, then moved it in a Renault Scenic they hired three weeks later.

Brit police sniffer dogs found a “death scent” in the car, the McCanns’ apartment, on some of Kate’s clothes, and on Madeleine’s favourite soft toy Cuddle Cat.

Body fluids with an 88% match to Madeleine’s DNA were found in the spare tyre well under the carpet in the Renault’s boot.

But last night one of Portugal’s most senior prosecutors Antonio Cluny said evidence alone was not enough to bring death charges.

Mr Cluny, president of the District Attorneys and Magistrates Council in Portugal, said: “Without the little girl’s body everything is extremely complicated.”

Police are planning to dig near the resort’s tiny hillside church.

A senior police source said: “Finding the body is currently our great priority.

“Operations in that sense are being developed, although so far without results.

“It is fundamental to solving the case. The inquiry can go on but the truth is without finding the little girl it will be almost impossible to accuse the couple of any crime. They will escape.”

Last night a source close to the McCanns’ legal team said the couple feared a cloud of suspicion would forever be hanging over them.

He said: “If a body is not found and they are not charged then they will have this hanging over them. But that is unacceptable because they are innocent. Why should they have this stain on their character?

“The suggestion that they have to face justice or escape justice is loaded with assumptions of their guilt, which is untrue.

“A body never being found is the worst case scenario because nobody, least of all them, will ever know what has happened.

“It is every parent’s nightmare.”


My emboldening

This is exactly what they need to do. Once they have them locked up in prison away from the PR spin machine, they are bound to finally get a confession out of them. It beggars belief that they have not done that already

[Amy21]

Regardless of all the Madeleine stuff I dont think the parents should be locked up for leaving their children on their own that night. There hardly the first parents to do this and wont be the last so I dont think they should be put in prison. They are very sorry for leaving their children on their own and everyone must know they regret doing that and wish they could turn back the clock and not leave them on their own. And I dont think putting them in prison just so all the stress of it all makes them confess to murdering Madeleine will help as they DIDNT murder her. Madeleine has been took by some sick out there not her parents. Some people on here need to open their eyes and realise the parents are innocent and the gulity person is out there somewhere getting away with it all and doing anything to Madeleine or even have murdered her. You should all be supporting the parents in their time of need and be on the look out for the gulity person who has took Madeleine.

[Sunny_01]

Amy I think it is unfair of you to tell people to open their eye's, we all have different feelings about this, we all think differently and are all entitled to your opinion. I admire that you have strong feelings about this but so does Sticks so please show him some respect for his thoughts on the matter.

I have mixed feelings about the case and actually agree that charges should be brough for leaving their children, had they not done so none of this might have happened. Why should they be left alone and not be punished for what is tantamount to neglect.

I would love Madeline to be found with an emphasis on ALIVE but I think sadly she will now be dead, either way this needs to come to some conclusion

[Sticks]

They continue to dig thier own graves (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=483911&in_page_id=1811)



Portuguese police have reacted furiously after learning Gerry and Kate McCann have hired a team of private investigators to help find missing Madeleine.

Police trade union chief Carlos Anjos said such a move could be illegal and described it as "another diversion manoeuvre by the McCanns".

The McCanns are reported to have contracted Control Risks Group, which employs ex-SAS and MI5 staff.

Under Portuguese law the couple are not allowed to undertake their own investigations while the police probe is ongoing.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Amy21
Regardless of all the Madeleine stuff I dont think the parents should be locked up for leaving their children on their own that night. There hardly the first parents to do this and wont be the last so I dont think they should be put in prison.

The difference is when couple X from the council estate, or the single parent leaves their kids and go to the pub for a few hours - if something bad happens, social services swarm all over them, despite their grief and take the other kids into care. Those parents have to fight in court to regain custody.

But not in this case

[Sunny_01]

From sky news

'New Photo Looks Like Madeleine'
Updated: 10:53, Wednesday September 26, 2007

A recent photo taken in Morocco showing a young girl appears "on the face of it, to look like Madeleine", according to the spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann.

Clarence Mitchell told Sky News that, even if it was not the missing child, the dramatic development took people away from "speculation and ill-founded gossip".

The image was taken by a Spanish tourist in Zinat in northern Morocco on August 31 and shows a light-skinned, blonde-haired child being carried on an elderly woman's back.

The tourist, Clara Torres, downloaded the picture onto her computer and discovered a "chilling likeness" to the missing girl.

Mr Mitchell said he could not comment on the McCanns' personal reaction to the photo because of "bitter experience" over previous sightings that came to nothing.

"You can imagine the emotional rollercoaster that causes Gerry and Kate each time this sort of information comes in.

"But it is an image and it does appear, on the face of it, to look like Madeleine and it clearly raises some very fundamental questions."

The photo, which Mr Mitchell said the McCanns' legal team had passed the Portuguese police, is now being scrutinised by Interpol experts.

"Even if this picture turns out not to be her, it is to the good because it brings people's minds back to finding Madeleine and taking them away from all the speculation and ill-founded gossip that has surrounded this in recent weeks."

Mr Mitchell referred to other "sightings" in Morocco - two in Marrakech in early May and one from a woman on the coast more recently.

"If it's not Madeleine, there's certainly a child in the area that looks very much like her. That's a matter for the investigating authorities."

He said the McCanns had been encouraged by the approach of the Moroccan police when they visited the country in June as part of their publicity drive. Officials had sent their daughter's photo to every health centre in the country.

"They said, if she's in our country, we will find her."

The spokesman added that Mr and Mrs McCann clung to the belief their daughter was alive.

"Each day that passes without her body being found actually means it's a day closer to her being brought home alive and well

[~Kizwiz~]

I've seen the photo and it does have some resemblance to Maddie, but it too burred to make out if its her.

I supposed with modern technology it can be cleared up and face recognition can be used.

Does seem strange that an elderly Moroccan woman would have a white little girl strapped to her back

[Sunny_01]

caution urged around madeline photo (http://news.aol.co.uk/caution-urged-on-madeleine-photo/article/20070925172309990002)

People have been urged to not get to excited about the possible sighting and photograph of Madeline taken in Morrocco.

Kiz I agree it is very blurred but I am sure with technology the experts will be able to get a much closer, clearer picture than we can see.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
From sky news

'New Photo Looks Like Madeleine'
Updated: 10:53, Wednesday September 26, 2007

A recent photo taken in Morocco showing a young girl appears "on the face of it, to look like Madeleine", according to the spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann.

Clarence Mitchell told Sky News that, even if it was not the missing child, the dramatic development took people away from "speculation and ill-founded gossip".

The image was taken by a Spanish tourist in Zinat in northern Morocco on August 31 and shows a light-skinned, blonde-haired child being carried on an elderly woman's back.

The tourist, Clara Torres, downloaded the picture onto her computer and discovered a "chilling likeness" to the missing girl.

Mr Mitchell said he could not comment on the McCanns' personal reaction to the photo because of "bitter experience" over previous sightings that came to nothing.

"You can imagine the emotional rollercoaster that causes Gerry and Kate each time this sort of information comes in.

"But it is an image and it does appear, on the face of it, to look like Madeleine and it clearly raises some very fundamental questions."

The photo, which Mr Mitchell said the McCanns' legal team had passed the Portuguese police, is now being scrutinised by Interpol experts.

"Even if this picture turns out not to be her, it is to the good because it brings people's minds back to finding Madeleine and taking them away from all the speculation and ill-founded gossip that has surrounded this in recent weeks."

Mr Mitchell referred to other "sightings" in Morocco - two in Marrakech in early May and one from a woman on the coast more recently.

"If it's not Madeleine, there's certainly a child in the area that looks very much like her. That's a matter for the investigating authorities."

He said the McCanns had been encouraged by the approach of the Moroccan police when they visited the country in June as part of their publicity drive. Officials had sent their daughter's photo to every health centre in the country.

"They said, if she's in our country, we will find her."

The spokesman added that Mr and Mrs McCann clung to the belief their daughter was alive.

"Each day that passes without her body being found actually means it's a day closer to her being brought home alive and well

Rubbish - I could take a picture of a kid from across the street and say it looked a bit like her

This stinks to me,

perhaps they will jet off to Morocco to lead the hunt themselves - Morocco is a more glamorous location than Belgium - where the police where so convinced of a sighting they DNA tested a glass - the McCanns didn't go there, unlike their trips to Rome to meet the pope, and Spain and anywhere else they could gladhand with famous people. But then Belgium is seen as a bit drab and boring - but sunny Morrocco - - oohh how exciting.

This stinks of bait and switch to me - and how very convenient timing

[Sunny_01]

I suppose like I said before we will have to wait until the experts have enhanced the photo for them to decide if it is her.

I would be sorely annoyed if they fly off to Morrocco after not going to Belgium and other places where Madeline was allegedly spotted, unless evdence is given that it IS her in the photo.

[Amy21]

Look at this:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007440681,00.html

In this photo with those people that girl is defintely Madeleine I always had that feeling inside of me that she was alive and this proves it. You see the parents didnt kill her. Now drop the whole subject of them killing her.

[Sarah.]

It's not confirmed.

[Spike]

I still think the parents killed her, the photo proves nothing

[Jackie]

The photo is very blurred and all little ones looks familar around maddies age.I still think their innocent though.

[Shaun]

If it was definitely her, there'd be a huge media storm right now. That could be any 4 year old girl, they don't all exactly look extremely different.

[Amy21]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
It's not confirmed.

Mrs_Rko it doesnt have to be confirmed by the media. That photo is proof of Madeleine still being alive. That IS her!!!!!!!!. You cant fake a little girl to look like her. That is her!!!!!!!!. The parents are innocent and I have always said this and now this proof proves everyone wrong.

[Sarah.]

Originally posted by Amy21
Originally posted by mrs_rko
It's not confirmed.

Mrs_Rko it doesnt have to be confirmed by the media. That photo is proof of Madeleine still being alive. That IS her!!!!!!!!. You cant fake a little girl to look like her. That is her!!!!!!!!. The parents are innocent and I have always said this and now this proof proves everyone wrong.

The photo is blurred.

How do you know for a fact that is her? I'm not saying it isn't but you're no expert at identifying photos so don't say it IS her when it hasn't been confirmed by experts. It could be any other little 4 year old blonde girl.

[Spike]

Originally posted by Amy21
Originally posted by mrs_rko
It's not confirmed.

Mrs_Rko it doesnt have to be confirmed by the media. That photo is proof of Madeleine still being alive. That IS her!!!!!!!!. You cant fake a little girl to look like her. That is her!!!!!!!!. The parents are innocent and I have always said this and now this proof proves everyone wrong.

how do you know that it IS her

[Shaun]

Originally posted by Amy21
Originally posted by mrs_rko
It's not confirmed.

Mrs_Rko it doesnt have to be confirmed by the media. That photo is proof of Madeleine still being alive. That IS her!!!!!!!!. You cant fake a little girl to look like her. That is her!!!!!!!!. The parents are innocent and I have always said this and now this proof proves everyone wrong.

No, it could be any little girl. Madeliene doesn't have a very distinctive face (apart from her eye, which isn't zoomed in far enough to see in this photo).

As much as I admire your hope and faith in her being alive and well, I don't think she is :sad:

[Spike]

I hope it is her but i dont think it is. It could be any girl in that photo a lot of girls that age look the same including my sister

[Legend]

It does look like her but even if it was, it was taken 26 days ago, that picture doesn't prove whether she is alive or dead.

[~Kizwiz~]

The photo is very blurred, and yes it does seem to look similar to Maddie, without special proof and using the photo with face recognition nobody can say its her for sure

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

I would be sorely annoyed if they fly off to Morrocco after not going to Belgium and other places where Madeline was allegedly spotted, unless evdence is given that it IS her in the photo.

Moo too Sunny, it would ring alarm bells in my head if they did jet off to Morrocco

we can only wait and see

[Amy21]

Originally posted by mrs_rko

The photo is blurred.

How do you know for a fact that is her? I'm not saying it isn't but you're no expert at identifying photos so don't say it IS her when it hasn't been confirmed by experts. It could be any other little 4 year old blonde girl.

Mrs_Rko that photo is NOT blurred!!!!!!!!. It is as clear as day and anyone with a brain can see that it is Madeleine that girl looks identical to Madeleine in her photo so it HAS to be her. And I dont have to be an expert to say this I just know ITS her!!!!!!!. I believe she is still alive and that her parents DIDNT kill her.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy21
Now drop the whole subject of them killing her.

Errmm.... this photo proves nothing, lots of 4 year olds have straw coloured hair, button noses and could, in a blurred photo look like Maddie.

I dont think you can tell anyone to 'drop it'.... all avenues need to be investigated.

[Red Moon]

I agree with most of the posters here about the picture. It proves very little the quality is so low it could anybodies child.

I hope it proves to be her for the sake of her family but if I were them I wouldn't get too excited. Even experts say there are "thousands" of young girls fitting Madeleine's description who might resemble her in the right conditions.

Expert cautious over 'Madeleine' photoA facial recognition expert has warned that it will be very difficult to prove whether Madeleine McCann is the young girl in a photograph taken in Morocco.

Dr Rob Jenkins, a psychologist at Glasgow University, agreed the picture - taken just over three weeks ago by a Spanish tourist in Zinat in northern Morocco - looked "similar" to images of the missing British child.

But he cautioned that there were "thousands" of young girls fitting Madeleine's description who might resemble her in the right conditions.

Dr Jenkins said: "It is very difficult to look at two photographs and say 'that's the same person' when it's someone we're not familiar with.

"There is a sense in which we're familiar with Madeleine's face now because it has been all over the papers and on the TV, but it tends to have been the same few photos repeated.

"We have not had that much exposure to all the ways her face can move. Although we are familiar with particular images of her face, we are not really very familiar with her face itself - that is a critical difference."

Dr Jenkins also warned that there is likely to be "a good deal of wishful thinking" among people believing the missing girl is in the new photograph.

"When we are unfamiliar with faces, we are very bad at accurately saying these two faces are the same person. That is a reason to be cautious.

"When a camera is used, small changes in lighting, pose and expression can have a big effect on the appearance of the image, but they don't tell you anything about who the person is.

"You can end up with photos of different faces being more similar than photos of the same face."

These problems are compounded with a poor quality image, as in the case of the picture taken in Morocco.

"It looks as if this is a Caucasian girl, about the right age, build and complexion.

"But there are thousands of girls who match that description," Dr Jenkins said: "We are really, really good with familiar faces. It would be interesting to see what the reaction of the McCann family is."
Source: The Daily Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/26/wmaddy426.xml)

[Redmond]

Oh it's a young girl with blonde hair! It must be her!

Yeah right...

[Amy21]

That IS Madeleine in that photo!. Its so clear as day and anyone with a brain would know its defintely her. I really hope they start searching Morroco for Madeleine as she needs to be brought home where she belongs and those who took her to be punished alot!!!!!!!!!.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy21
That IS Madeleine in that photo!. Its so clear as day and anyone with a brain would know its defintely her. I really hope they start searching Morroco for Madeleine as she needs to be brought home where she belongs and those who took her to be punished alot!!!!!!!!!.
Yes it does look like her.... but as I and others have said, its a blurred photo and it could be any child of that age with the same type of hair.

Even my daughter resembles Maddie in some pictures....until there is proof then we cannt assume anything

Please stop saying anyone with a brain.... I have one and its not certain its her

[Sunny_01]

all discussion about Madeline should take place in the appropriate thread.

Thread now merged with existing thread - Red

[Sunny_01]

Amy21 you are bordering on the offensive here, stop it with the insults to people who dont agree with you!

The photo looks similar to Madeline but is certainly not "clear as day" even her parents are not saying anything like that so lets wait for the experts to decide if it is her!

We all have different thoughts on the subject and are all entitled to our opinions and should be able to do so without being called idiots.

The picture proves NOTHING!

[Amy21]

I am re posting this here since Sunny_01 locked my thread when she shouldnt!.

Look at this:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007440681,00.html

In this photo with those people that girl is defintely Madeleine I always had that feeling inside of me that she was alive and this proves it. You see the parents didnt kill her. Now drop the whole subject of them killing her.

This new photo evidence IS Madeleine you cant say every child looks just like Madeleine as thats just crazy talk. This is Madeleine in Morroco where other sightings have been said by different people back a few months ago. So it makes sense for her to be in Morroco. I will always believe this is her and that the parents are innocent and didnt kill her.

[Sunny_01]

What do you mean I should not have locked the other thread, I simply re-directed people to the thread that was created to discuss everything about Madeline and her family to save us trawling through umpteen threads.

We will not DROP any subject because you have said we should, maybe you should DROP the venomous way that you speak to people who do not agree with everything you say on this forum.

[Amy21]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Amy21 you are bordering on the offensive here, stop it with the insults to people who dont agree with you!

The photo looks similar to Madeline but is certainly not "clear as day" even her parents are not saying anything like that so lets wait for the experts to decide if it is her!

We all have different thoughts on the subject and are all entitled to our opinions and should be able to do so without being called idiots.

The picture proves NOTHING!

Sunny_01 I wasent being offensive just giving my opinion on this whole thing. And this photo does prove something it wouldnt of come out if it wasent anything important.

[Sunny_01]

no-one said it was not important, it is I agree important that it is looked at by experts.

How awful do you think the parents would feel if we all went round saying it is her and then it turns out to be yet another false hope for them.

[Amy21]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
What do you mean I should not have locked the other thread, I simply re-directed people to the thread that was created to discuss everything about Madeline and her family to save us trawling through umpteen threads.

We will not DROP any subject because you have said we should, maybe you should DROP the venomous way that you speak to people who do not agree with everything you say on this forum.

My thread is hardly hundreads of threads. I made that thread to point out the new photo that had come out today. I made it also to create discussion of the photo that proved Madeleine is still alive.

[Sunny_01]

Links to the photo are already posted in this thread and were this morning.

We are trying to keep everything in one place which is why I locked the other thread, one extra thread leads to another and another.

[Red Moon]

From the other thread which I will merge into this one.

Originally posted by Amy21
That IS Madeleine in that photo!. Its so clear as day and anyone with a brain would know its defintely her.

Sorry but it isn't a clear picture and even if it was the resolution is so low you would be able to make out enough of her features to be sure it was her. In the enlarged picture in the Sun her face measures 42x48 pixels.

Here is that area enlarged.

[Sunny_01]

The photo does not prove Madeline is still alive, read the articles, they suggest it COULD be Madeline, it would be unwise of us to say out and out that it is her when the photo has not yet been scrutinised by experts who will try to establish whether it is her or not.

Madeline could well be alive, this could be evidence but we all need to cool down and let the experts do their jobs instead of second guessing them

[Amy21]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
no-one said it was not important, it is I agree important that it is looked at by experts.

How awful do you think the parents would feel if we all went round saying it is her and then it turns out to be yet another false hope for them.

This photo isnt false hope though its her for sure. Certain people reported seeing her in Morroco and suprise, surprise she is finally snapped by photo with these people in Morroco. I always knew she was still alive I have had that feeling since she got taken. I always believe the parents had nothing to do with her going missing too.

[Dan_]

It doesn't prove anything, the photo is not clear enough.It certainly looks similar to Maddie but nobody can be sure, plus the picture is from a few weeks back now.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy21

This photo isnt false hope though its her for sure.

There is now way you can be 100% certain its her.... look at the photo Red posted..... its not clear enough. Let the EXPERTS make the investigation as to whether this is or is not her.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Red Moon
From the other thread which I will merge into this one.

Originally posted by Amy21
That IS Madeleine in that photo!. Its so clear as day and anyone with a brain would know its defintely her.

Sorry but it isn't a clear picture and even if it was the resolution is so low you would be able to make out enough of her features to be sure it was her. In the enlarged picture in the Sun her face measures 42x48 pixels.

Here is that area enlarged.

Oh yes clear as day that one Red!! its her for sure!!

I cant see how anyone can say that photo is clear evidence that Madeline is still alive.

[Amy21]

Red Moon that photo IS Madeleine. I will prove you all wrong when the experts announce it is her then you will all be so gutted when I am proved right. Madeleine is alive and I will always stand by that fact.

[Red Moon]

Even the exerts say the child in the picture could be any one of a thousands of children. It doesn't prove she is alive or not. Just that someone took a picture of a girl that looked like her.

Anyway, if it was her the picture is 3 weeks old she could be any where in the world by now or even dead.

[Sunny_01]

pop your hands around your eyes and squint really hard, and then you might be able to say it is Madeline!

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Amy21
Red Moon that photo IS Madeleine. I will prove you all wrong when the experts announce it is her then you will all be so gutted when I am proved right. Madeleine is alive and I will always stand by that fact.

But the experts are the ones say it could be any one of the thousands of little girls with blonde hair!

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Amy21
Red Moon that photo IS Madeleine. I will prove you all wrong when the experts announce it is her then you will all be so gutted when I am proved right. Madeleine is alive and I will always stand by that fact.

Why on earth do you think we would be gutted if Madeline was alive, how dare you suggest that.

I would love nothing more than for this to be her and to be "proved wrong" but to be so dogmatic in your approach is bordering on the offensive Amy. Some respect for the other people on here and for their thoughts on the matter wouldnt go amiss

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy21
Red Moon that photo IS Madeleine. I will prove you all wrong when the experts announce it is her then you will all be so gutted when I am proved right. Madeleine is alive and I will always stand by that fact.

Are you a photo expert?????

The experts who look at photos and have face recongnision technolgy are even saying it could be anyone.

How can you be so sure???

Think of the family..... even they say its too blurred to be sure

[Jackie]

Thats not her you can tell.I still think their innocent.

[Amy21]

I WILL be proved right when that photo is announced as Madeleine just you wait!!!!!!.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Amy21
I WILL be proved right when that photo is announced as Madeleine just you wait!!!!!!.

This is becoming more about you and your constant desire to be right than it is about a missing little girl, how very tiresome

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy21
I will prove you all wrong when the experts announce it is her then you will all be so gutted when I am proved right.

I would be gutted??????? So I dont want her to be found???

How dare you say that, there is nothing more in this world that I would love for her to be returned to her family

[Jackie]

Well we will all know by tomorrow morning so lets wait and see.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy21
I WILL be proved right when that photo is announced as Madeleine just you wait!!!!!!.
So its you that will be applauded when its proved to be her?

I dont think so.

People here are just trying to be realistic in their approach and not assuming its her.

If it turns out to be maddie... wonderful..... but then they still have to find her.

[Amy21]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

This is becoming more about you and your constant desire to be right than it is about a missing little girl, how very tiresome

Sunny_01 you cant say im being offensive when you have just said to me to put my hands round my eyes and think its Madeleine. Thats just wrong taking the mick out of me. So your no better. And you should know better when your supposed to be a moderator on here your not doing your job right by taking the p*ss out of forum members are you??? no your not.

This whole thing isnt about me being right just stating that photo is Madeleine and I will be proved right when the experts announce its Madeleine after all you saying it isnt her. How will you all look then.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by jackie46
Well we will all know by tomorrow morning so lets wait and see.
Exactly..... leave it to the experts to say if its her or not.... I suspect even they will never say its 100% her with that image

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Amy21
I WILL be proved right when that photo is announced as Madeleine just you wait!!!!!!.
So its you that will be applauded when its proved to be her?

I dont think so.

People here are just trying to be realistic in their approach and not assuming its her.

If it turns out to be maddie... wonderful..... but then they still have to find her.

Couldnt agree more, this is about a missing little girl not about who is right and wrong on a forum.

Oh well we are all different I suppose, where I will be over the moon if it is proved to be her I will still wonder how they are going to find her, oh and if it is her I of course will be here applauding Amy21 for being so superior to the rest of us!

[Jackie]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Amy21
I WILL be proved right when that photo is announced as Madeleine just you wait!!!!!!.
So its you that will be applauded when its proved to be her?

I dont think so.

People here are just trying to be realistic in their approach and not assuming its her.

If it turns out to be maddie... wonderful..... but then they still have to find her.

Couldnt agree more, this is about a missing little girl not about who is right and wrong on a forum.

Oh well we are all different I suppose, where I will be over the moon if it is proved to be her I will still wonder how they are going to find her, oh and if it is her I of course will be here applauding Amy21 for being so superior to the rest of us!



Me too:bigsmile:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Amy21
Originally posted by Sunny_01

This is becoming more about you and your constant desire to be right than it is about a missing little girl, how very tiresome

Sunny_01 you cant say Im being offensive when you have just said to me to put my hands round my eyes and think its Madeleine. Thats just wrong taking the mick out of me. So your no better. And you should know better when your supposed to be a moderator on here your not doing your job right by taking the p*ss out of forum members are you??? no your not.

This whole thing isnt about me being right just stating that photo is Madeleine and I will be proved right when the experts announce its Madeleine after all you saying it isnt her. How will you all look then.

I never once said to YOU to do it I suggested other people could do it, we can all make images look like what we want to see is what I was tying to suggest, not taking the Mick out of anyone but if you took it that way well hey ho. As for knowing better and "supposed" to be. Well in fact I am a Moderator on here and I do know better than to go around stamping over what other people think. I dont do a "job" here I have a role that runs alongside my membership as a forum member.

The whole point is you dont KNOW that it is Madeline in the same way that we DONT KNOW it isnt Madeline

[nicola001]

even if that isnt madeline i want to know who she is?
it could be some other missing child.

[nicola001]

remember back in may madeline was spotted in marocco


Madeleine McCann Spotted in Morocco? Woman 99 Percent Sure It Was Her
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Lynda Johnson
May 18, 2007

Madeleine McCann spotted in Morocco? Police are investigating a possible sighting of missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann in the North African country. Mari Olli, 45, who lives in Fuengirola on Spain's Costa del Sol, was on holiday in Marrakech a week ago when she saw the child she thinks Madeleine. She didn't come forward then because she was unaware of the missing four year old Maddie but she says she is 99.9 percent certain it was Madeleine McCann.


Madeleine McCann Spotted in Morocco? Woman '99.9 Percent Sure'

This is London UK reports that Norwegian Ms. Olli, 45, made the sighting over a week ago but did not realize its possible significance until she returned home with her British husband. She said: "I didn't know anything about Madeleine's disappearance at the time, but now I'm more and more sure that the girl I saw was her."

***

According to the report the incident happened at around 10am on Wednesday, May 9, at a petrol station next to the Ibis Palmeraie Hotel on the outskirts of Marrakech. Ms. Olli said: "My husband was filling the car, and I went in the shop to buy some water. That's when I saw her - my attention was drawn straight to her.

"She was a sweet, blonde-haired girl with a very cute face. She was wearing blue pajamas with a little pink-and-white pattern, maybe flowers, on her top." Ms. Ollie said the whole scene was surreal and she was concerned for the still unidentified girl.

***

"She was standing alone with a man about a meter from her. She looked sad and a little lost. She looked so alone, I wanted to carry her or something, she said. "It struck me as a very unusual situation. It was very strange to see a little girl with light skin and very, very blonde hair standing alone in Morocco."

"If you're with a small child you would normally hold her in your arms tight. But the man didn't look like her father."

[Mrluvaluva]

"docks Sunnys wages"

[Red Moon]

Here is the whole picture from The Sun for anyone interested.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
"docks Sunnys wages"

How very dare you lol

The whole photo is even less conclusive Red. It could even be a child from a mixed marriage.

At least tomorrow we will know if they need to re-direct the search for Madeline to Morrocco.

[Dr43%er]

This is hilarious.

Amy, I am not a mod so don't have to know any better.

Are you drunk or something? ? you can't even see that it is clearly a girl. It could be a boy with long hair. There is no way that photo proves anything one way or the other.

Edited by Sunny_01

[GreyCat]

I have just heard confirmation on the 4 pm radio news that the picture was NOT Madeleine McCann.

[Sticks]

Who it really is (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484083&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

The evidence still points to the McCanns beig guilty of killing their own daughter and covering it up

[Dr43%er]

On the BBC site it says it is not her. More soon.

How can this be. You had convinced me Amy with your well thought out and reasoned argument.

[Amy21]

Come on people dont you all find it a little strange a coloured group of people with a white little girl that looks exactly like Madeleine. It HAS to be her. And also this was taken in Morroco where other sightings of her were reported. All the clues fit together it has to be Madeleine.

Greycat your lying the experts announcement on the photo isnt out til tomorrow so there cant be any news today. Thats false news what you said then.

[Sunny_01]

Not Madeline (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1285900,00.html)

The evidence is now here that the little girl in the photo is NOT Madeline, I think some eating of humble pie is in order!

[Sunny_01]

so now all the newspapers that you generally base your decisions on are wrong, in the link Sticks has posted there is a CLEAR photo of the little girl and she is NOT Madeline.

Also see the link to Sky news that I posted, Madelines parents are aware it is NOT Madeline

[Amy21]

The BBC website says so called reporters tracked down that girl in the photo but how they can do that when that photo was took weeks ago and she could of been anywhere in the world by now. That doesnt make sense at all!!!!!!!!. And I thought experts were supposed to be examing the photo???. News hasent come out saying they have checked it so this news is false!!!!!!!!. That girl IS Madeleine in the photo and the news is still to come out yet from the experts saying its her.

Sunny_01 I wont be eating humble pie as it will be you who eats it as the true news is still to come out yet.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy21
Come on people dont you all find it a little strange a coloured group of people with a white little girl that looks exactly like Madeleine. It HAS to be her. And also this was taken in Morroco where other sightings of her were reported. All the clues fit together it has to be Madeleine.

Greycat your lying the experts announcement on the photo isnt out til tomorrow so there cant be any news today. Thats false news what you said then.

So because they are from Marrocco they cant have a fair haired little girl...come off it.... mixed race maybe?????? Even so, they still could have a fair haired child :rolleyes:

Its all over the news that it isnt Maddie..... its bang out of order to call someone a liar... that is an insult

[Dr43%er]

Did you not click on sticks link at the top of the page?

If you did you would see this photo along with others and the story.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/123andrew/NoMadByelineES_468x590.jpg

[~Kizwiz~]

It's NOT Maddie.... clearly... its the little girl called Bushra Binhisa.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy21

Sunny_01 I wont be eating humble pie as it will be you who eats it as the true news is still to come out yet.

:shocked:

I'm sorry Amy but your wrong..... click on the link Sticks posted and you will see that it clearly is not Maddie

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Amy21
The BBC website says so called reporters tracked down that girl in the photo but how they can do that when that photo was took weeks ago and she could of been anywhere in the world by now. That doesnt make sense at all!!!!!!!!. And I thought experts were supposed to be examing the photo???. News hasent come out saying they have checked it so this news is false!!!!!!!!. That girl IS Madeleine in the photo and the news is still to come out yet from the experts saying its her.

Sunny_01 I wont be eating humble pie as it will be you who eats it as the true news is still to come out yet.

true news, get real, it is all over the papers, the news on tv but you still choose to sit in your own little world of denial.

The news is NOT false, for goodness sake when are you going to just give it up and stop being so dogmatic about something you clearly know very little about.

Why cant this child be Moroccon, I would love to hear the explanation for that, many people in Morocco are fair.

[Dr43%er]

No, it is Maddie (not that her parents ever called her that. It is a media creation) The real kidnappers have clearly planted a family of actors and a similar looking girl in the area where the photo was taken to throw you all off the real trail. Look at the evidence. Are you really all that stupid??????!!!!??

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
No, it is Maddie (not that her parents ever called her that. It is a media creation) The real kidnappers have clearly planted a family of actors and a similar looking girl in the area where the photo was taken to throw you all off the real trail. Look at the evidence. Are you really all that stupid??????!!!!??

Oh my goodness how could I have been so stupid!!!

Seriously though I am pretty sure the photo you posted is pretty conculsive that it is not Madeline

[Sticks]

No need for Ad hominem here

The investigation is back to looking for Madeline's body. Once again the Portuguese police have been vindicated.

It's time the McCanns were called to account for what they did to their own daughter.

[Sunny_01]

I still remain cautious about saying I believe her parents have killed her, I see all the evidence though but like I said earlier in the thread I just dont like to consider that she died at the hands of her parents.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Amy21
Come on people dont you all find it a little strange a coloured group of people with a white little girl that looks exactly like Madeleine.

The girl in the picture has olive skin and not fair skin and her hair is mousey brown that has been turned light by the action of the sun.

I guess if they need to be 100% sure they could always DNA test her, however I feel people still we think it is Madeleine!

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I still remain cautious about saying I believe her parents have killed her, I see all the evidence though but like I said earlier in the thread I just dont like to consider that she died at the hands of her parents.

Its a thought that I will not let my mind think.... its deep back in there but I just cant comprehend it

But what else is there to go on.

Visions flash before my eyes of childrens gone missing before, and found, parents crying pleading for their killer to be hunted and found and then low and behold..... they did it

I guess its hard for me to even think it because I have a daughter just 1 year younger than Maddie

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
No, it is Maddie (not that her parents ever called her that. It is a media creation) The real kidnappers have clearly planted a family of actors and a similar looking girl in the area where the photo was taken to throw you all off the real trail. Look at the evidence. Are you really all that stupid??????!!!!??

We get members doing that to try and get round bans, so I guess anything is possible.

[Dr43%er]

LOL.

[Red Moon]

Pictured girl 'is not Madeleine'A blonde girl photographed in Morocco is not missing Madeleine McCann, according to journalists who met her.

British and Spanish reporters claim to have traced the girl, pictured being carried on a Moroccan woman's back.

London newspaper the Evening Standard says the girl is a five-year-old from the village of Zinat.

The McCanns' spokesman said the news, if true, was disappointing. Madeleine disappeared on 3 May from a holiday apartment in Portugal.

Easily traced

Experts were said to be examining the image, taken three weeks ago by a Spanish tourist, in the hope that the girl was the missing four-year-old from Rothley, Leicestershire.

But Rashid Razaq, the Standard reporter who flew to Morocco from London, said he had seen the youngster in the picture.

"She has got a resemblance to Madeleine but when you see her properly, it is obvious it isn't her."

He said the girl in the picture was five-year-old Bushra Binhisa, daughter of an olive farmer.

The Spanish reporter who also claims to have traced the girl in the picture says she is a Moroccan of Berber origin.

The reporter told the BBC he found her by showing the photo to people in the village who quickly identified the family.

Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell promised that the search for Madeleine would continue.
Source: BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7014886.stm)

Also link to the Daily Mail story with high resolution pictures: - The picture that dashes the hopes of Kate and Gerry McCann (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484083&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

[Sarah.]

Originally posted by Amy21
The BBC website says so called reporters tracked down that girl in the photo but how they can do that when that photo was took weeks ago and she could of been anywhere in the world by now. That doesnt make sense at all!!!!!!!!. And I thought experts were supposed to be examing the photo???. News hasent come out saying they have checked it so this news is false!!!!!!!!. That girl IS Madeleine in the photo and the news is still to come out yet from the experts saying its her.

Sunny_01 I wont be eating humble pie as it will be you who eats it as the true news is still to come out yet.

You are JUST like this on the WWE thread. You think what you believe to be true and you insult other people in the process. It turned out not to be her and you still won't accept you were wrong just like on many other subjects.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
Originally posted by Amy21
The BBC website says so called reporters tracked down that girl in the photo but how they can do that when that photo was took weeks ago and she could of been anywhere in the world by now. That doesnt make sense at all!!!!!!!!. And I thought experts were supposed to be examing the photo???. News hasent come out saying they have checked it so this news is false!!!!!!!!. That girl IS Madeleine in the photo and the news is still to come out yet from the experts saying its her.

Sunny_01 I wont be eating humble pie as it will be you who eats it as the true news is still to come out yet.

You are JUST like this on the WWE thread. You think what you believe to be true and you insult other people in the process. It turned out not to be her and you still won't accept you were wrong just like on many other subjects.

Here was me thinking she was the font of all knowledge.She never let's facts get in the way of what she believes to be true, the same once again in this case.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
They continue to dig thier own graves (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=483911&in_page_id=1811)



Portuguese police have reacted furiously after learning Gerry and Kate McCann have hired a team of private investigators to help find missing Madeleine.

Police trade union chief Carlos Anjos said such a move could be illegal and described it as "another diversion manoeuvre by the McCanns".

The McCanns are reported to have contracted Control Risks Group, which employs ex-SAS and MI5 staff.

Under Portuguese law the couple are not allowed to undertake their own investigations while the police probe is ongoing.



You bet the Portuguese police are angry. Afraid others may solve the case because they cannot. The only thing the Portuguese police are good at is throwing smears and blighting lives before they have conclusive evidence either way. Murat comes to mind his reputation is in ruins because of false accusations by the Portuguese police....

[GreyCat]

Originally posted by Amy21
Come on people dont you all find it a little strange a coloured group of people with a white little girl that looks exactly like Madeleine. It HAS to be her. And also this was taken in Morroco where other sightings of her were reported. All the clues fit together it has to be Madeleine.

Greycat your lying the experts announcement on the photo isnt out til tomorrow so there cant be any news today. Thats false news what you said then. You seem to have a habit of calling people liars if they don't say what you want to hear. I would thank you NOT to call ME a liar, Amy. I reported what I had heard on the national radio news. Presumably by now, you have heard the news for yourself and realise that you were wrong.

For your information, calling people 'coloured' is generally deemed to be an extremely derogatory term. Besides which, Moroccan nationals are hardly 'coloured' anyway.

[Amy21]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Did you not click on sticks link at the top of the page?

If you did you would see this photo along with others and the story.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/123andrew/NoMadByelineES_468x590.jpg

That girl is NOT the girl on the photo so I still think that girl is Madeleine this HAS to be a mistake!!!!!!!!. Madeleine is pictured in that photo and she is out there somewhere with her kidnappers who HAVE to be caught and brought to justice and Madeleine to go home safe. I am NOT wrong and wont be eatng humble pie!!!!!!!!.

[Sticks]

Sorry, but this was a case of mistaken identity.

The evidence still points to the McCanns as the only suspects. Even the judge thinks they are guilty, which was why he warned the police that they need to find the body or the McCanns will escape justice.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Amy21
That girl is NOT the girl on the photo so I still think that girl is Madeleine this HAS to be a mistake!!!!!!!!. Madeleine is pictured in that photo and she is out there somewhere with her kidnappers who HAVE to be caught and brought to justice and Madeleine to go home safe. I am NOT wrong and wont be eatng humble pie!!!!!!!!.

The person was who had the girl that looked like Madeleine wasn't even hiding or anything. The reporter found little girl by showing the photo to people where the woman lived and they identified the family. Within a day of the picture being on the internet it was proved not to be Madeleine.

Why would a Monacan family want Madeleine, what would be the motive? Especially someone that seems to have a family of her own already?

And if that woman did have Madeleine, why would the people in the village cover up for her? Surely they would have gone to the police?

If woman was some kind of kidnapper surely they would be they be hiding her away and not putting her on public view. Well, not until she was a lot older and her face had change enough so she didn't look like the picture in the posters spread all over the world.

The girl in the picture was NOT Madeleine!

[Chrizzle]

Originally posted by Amy21
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Did you not click on sticks link at the top of the page?

If you did you would see this photo along with others and the story.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/123andrew/NoMadByelineES_468x590.jpg

That girl is NOT the girl on the photo so I still think that girl is Madeleine this HAS to be a mistake!!!!!!!!. Madeleine is pictured in that photo and she is out there somewhere with her kidnappers who HAVE to be caught and brought to justice and Madeleine to go home safe. I am NOT wrong and wont be eatng humble pie!!!!!!!!.

Blimmin eck calm down. Your not 100% sure, so dont say 'i am NOT wrong' because you probably are.

[Billy]

what do you mean humble pie?

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Billy
what do you mean humble pie?

You would have to read back to find out, it's all very tiresome.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Amy21
Red Moon that photo IS Madeleine. I will prove you all wrong when the experts announce it is her then you will all be so gutted when I am proved right. Madeleine is alive and I will always stand by that fact.

So its all about YOU being proven right, and everyone else being "gutted" that a child hasn't been murdered. I find that pretty offensive

What you are doing is the same as guessing the murderer in a movie, a bunch of you go to see a movie, you all take a "guess", and the one that gets it right goes all

"I was right...you were wrong"

that is all your posts are, you do not know its her - that is the only absolute truth about any of your posts on this matter, which of course you will not acknowledge

I couldn't categorically post that it is not her, even though the truth is I don't think it is her...the simple fact is that I don't know for sure but I suspect that child has been dead for a bit longer than she has been officially reported missing.

Because, in my opinion, I suspect that she was dead at least several hours before she was reported missing - and that the parents timeline is in question. I do not know that for a fact, it is what I suspect - and it does not fill me with the urge to gloat about how right I think my theory is

The difference between you and I, apparently is that should they find her body in a ditch somewhere I won't be gleefully posting about how right I was.

[Billy]

Didnt they already prove that its not her?

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Amy21
I WILL be proved right when that photo is announced as Madeleine just you wait!!!!!!.

No, you would be proven right when the child is recovered.


then you can gloat about all us evil people being unable to rejoice in the murder of a child

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Billy
Didnt they already prove that its not her?

Yes, a reporter went to the village where the picture was taken and found the family and the little girl in the picture.

Here is the Daily Mail story with high resolution pictures: - The picture that dashes the hopes of Kate and Gerry McCann (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484083&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Billy
Didnt they already prove that its not her?

Yes, I replied before I got to the the link Sticks posted a little later, I was a bit miffed to say the least about the implication I and others would gloat about the murder of a child

I replied before all the information was in

I am a baaad forum member :blush2:

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Here is the Daily Mail story with high resolution pictures: - The picture that dashes the hopes of Kate and Gerry McCann (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484)

And goes a long way to vindicate the Portuguese Police.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by Red Moon
Here is the Daily Mail story with high resolution pictures: - The picture that dashes the hopes of Kate and Gerry McCann (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484)

And goes a long way to vindicate the Portuguese Police.

What the sugar puff story that's now attached to the link? Looks like the Daily Mail have moved the story. Here is the stories new title and link:

Girl in 'Madeleine in Morocco' photo is peasant farmer's daughter Bushra (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484083&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

I have updated all the other links in the thread except the one in Stick's post. The press are always messing with things on there websites. Why can't they leave things alone when they are working alright?

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Amy21
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Did you not click on sticks link at the top of the page?

If you did you would see this photo along with others and the story.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/123andrew/NoMadByelineES_468x590.jpg

That girl is NOT the girl on the photo so I still think that girl is Madeleine this HAS to be a mistake!!!!!!!!. Madeleine is pictured in that photo and she is out there somewhere with her kidnappers who HAVE to be caught and brought to justice and Madeleine to go home safe. I am NOT wrong and wont be eatng humble pie!!!!!!!!.

Of course it's girl from the first picture, the same people are obviously with the child now as in the first picture.This is clear evidence but yet you still claim to be right, unbelievable :bored:

[Sticks]

The people who should be brought to Justice are the McCanns

[Sticks]

Latest Daily Mail link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=484174&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

Now will the media please leave this Moroccan family alone so they can go back to obscurity and privacy. The Spanish tourist should not beat herself up over this, as this was an easy mistake to make.

[Sunny_01]

Thanks for that link Sticks, it was also interesting to read the comments made by other people.

It seems that now this has been proved to be a false lead that the focus should return to Madeline, finding her is important whether she is alive or not.

[Amy21]

That girl in the second photo with the coloured woman isnt the same girl as that little girl has coloured skin in the first photo we saw that girl that looked exactly like Madeleine had white skin. I still believe that girl in the first photo IS Madeleine and she is out there somewhere being hidden by that family. And everyone who is living near that family is covering up for them.

And the McCanns had nothing to do with Madeleine going missing so stop saying they need to be brought to justice as they didnt do anything!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:. Leave them alone!!!!! there innocent people who have had their own child kidnapped by some sicko out there. I dont know why you cant understand this???.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Amy21
That girl in the second photo with the coloured woman isnt the same girl as that little girl has coloured skin in the first photo we saw that girl that looked exactly like Madeleine had white skin. I still believe that girl in the first photo IS Madeleine and she is out there somewhere being hidden by that family.

The girls in the photographs are the same. The lighting conditions in the two photographs are very different. The original picture is cloudy and that suggests the exposer is not right. In fact too much light has entered the lens so everything in the picture seems brighter than normal. Hence the little girls skin seems brighter than it really is. The second picture has been taken with a much better camera and the exposer is correct and so the true skin colours of the girl are shown.

It is clear this is just a case of mistaken identity, nothing less and nothing more. If the police thought anything different they would be there now finding out what is going on, but they are not.

Originally posted by Amy21
And everyone who is living near that family is covering up for them.

Finally why with a reward of £2.5 million why would any of the villagers be covering up for them? It is more money than any of them will see in several lifetimes. The thought that that they would cover up for the family is preposterous.

The two girls in the picture are clearly the SAME little girl.

[Mrluvaluva]

I don't know why you are even bothering Red?

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
I don't know why you are even bothering Red?

I'm not sure to be honest.

[Sunny_01]

Probably for the same reason as I am Baz! Red is trying to point out the obvious and is simply being ignored.

The explanations are going from the bizzare to the ridiculous in your attempts to be right Amy. A whole village would NOT go as far as covering up for one family especially as Red says there is huge financial incentives for them to tell the truth if it were to be Madeline. That little girl is CLEARLY the one in the original photo that was released. Give it up already Amy, we are not planning on doing a we were right dance..........tempting as it may be!!

Its sad really that we are arguing over this when at the root of all of this a little girl is still missing.

I

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Amy21
That girl in the second photo with the coloured woman isnt the same girl as that little girl has coloured skin in the first photo we saw that girl that looked exactly like Madeleine had white skin. I still believe that girl in the first photo IS Madeleine and she is out there somewhere being hidden by that family. And everyone who is living near that family is covering up for them.



You moan about the allegations being made against the McCanns, and there you are accusing a Morroccan family of kidnapping, and of a whole village of conspiracy after the fact.

Thats more than a tad hypocritical in my book, as well as delusional

[~Kizwiz~]

Oh my god..... Amy, how on earth can you even say that its Maddie after they have found the girl, and the same woman as the tourist photo'd????

What makes you so sure that its Maddie in original photo? Even her parents have said that they are very sad its not her but that the search must go on.

I wish it would have been her, but it wasnt and no amount of "I am right" will ever make that fact real :rolleyes:

[Sarah.]

I gave up with trying to explain to Amy what is meant by an opinion, and what it fact. She really can't grasp that.
That pic was NOT Maddy, but infact a little girl who has been pictured with the same person carrying her.
It's not about whos right or wrong, this is about a 4 year old girl who has 'disappeared' and the police have to investigate everything, including the parents.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by mrs_rko

It's not about whos right or wrong, this is about a 4 year old girl who has 'disappeared' and the police have to investigate everything, including the parents.

Exactly...... the main thing that should matter is looking for her or her body

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Amy21
That girl in the second photo with the coloured woman isnt the same girl as that little girl has coloured skin in the first photo we saw that girl that looked exactly like Madeleine had white skin. I still believe that girl in the first photo IS Madeleine and she is out there somewhere being hidden by that family. And everyone who is living near that family is covering up for them.

And the McCanns had nothing to do with Madeleine going missing so stop saying they need to be brought to justice as they didnt do anything!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:. Leave them alone!!!!! there innocent people who have had their own child kidnapped by some sicko out there. I dont know why you cant understand this???.

Just a word of advice, some people find the term 'coloured' offensive.

Your point on the family been covered for is nonsensical, they've had media from around the world with them over the last couple of days and have hidden nothing, do you really think these are the actions of people who are hiding someone? There's no evidence to suggest otherwise and how likely is it that a whole load of people in poverty would sacrifice the chance of a reward just to keep silent on a neighbours hidden child?

It's quite clear that you're clutching at straws and making wild and unfounded accusations just to try and cover your back to try and be proven correct.It's obvious that original picture was not of the best quality and now proven that it was not Madeleine, yet your carry on regardless.Carry on with the outlandish refusals, you're only making yourself look silly.

Nothing has been proven either way on the McCanns so nobody can factually argue for certain on whether or not they had any involvement with the disappearance of Maddie, until then it's best to keep and open mind.Once again it's a matter of you not being able to separate facts and opinions.

[Billy]

Amy why would a whole town hide a kidnapper?

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Billy
Amy why would a whole town hide a kidnapper?

Especially with a £2.5 million pound reward on offer as I pointed out in my last post.

The pictures were of the same girl.

[Sticks]

You need to apply Occams rasor

The simplest explanation that accounts for the evidence is usually the correct one.

Wild conspiracy theories about a village is not simple.

Look again at this



In 90% of cases where there is a death, it is usually a close family relative that is the culprit.
The police have found a missing six hours
British forensics have found DNA evidence in a car that was not in their possession until one month after Madeline's disappearance
There are conflicting accounts with the McCanns stories which change every day
There are conflicting accounts from friends at the Tapas bar
There are 40 questions that Kate and Gerry have refused to answer, if they were innocent, they would answer them.
There was the smell of death picked up by British Cadaver dogs
For some reason they chose not to use a baby sitting service
Many have commented about their coldness
When they were made Arguidos, they left, when, before they said they would never leave Portugal.


Add this all up, and the simplest explanation is that given by the Portuguese police, backed up by the finest British forensics., is that Kate and Gerry McCann killed their own daughter.

[Sticks]

This morning I read this on the Sun Online website (http://www.thesun.co.uk/discussions/posts/list/29896.page)

As one of those on a certain side of this argument, it is ironic I bring this to your attention.

Do you want us to remove our posts and should this thread now be locked, or is the Sun being paranoid?

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by Sticks
This morning I read this on the Sun Online website (http://www.thesun.co.uk/discussions/posts/list/29896.page)

As one of those on a certain side of this argument, it is ironic I bring this to your attention.

Do you want us to remove our posts and should this thread now be locked, or is the Sun being paranoid?

It sounds like the McCann's Legal Team have got involved and have warned the Sun to remove the posts or they sue for libel. It's good to know that the they are making such good use of the fighting fund.

[Red Moon]

It looks like the Police focus has moved to Spain. The McCann's should be looking at the positives of having the police investigate them if they are innocent as it is the only way to remove suspicion that they might have been involved in her disappearance.

Madeleine McCann: Parents' 'suspicious' tripA day after a possible sighting of four-year-old Madeleine was ruled out, police re-focused on her parents, who are formal suspects in her disappearance.

Kate and Gerry McCann have dismissed the latest claims made against them
They are believed to be studying CCTV footage of their journey to Huelva, across the Spanish border on August 3 where they went to raise their daughter’s profile.

It is understood police are suspicious of the trip because the McCanns changed their plans at the last minute and did not have any formal meetings while there. Detectives are said to be working on the theory, dismissed as ludicrous by the McCanns, that Mrs McCann may have accidentally killed her daughter and relied on her husband to help cover it up.

One line of inquiry is whether they could have hidden her body and used their silver Renault Scenic -hired 25 days after she disappeared - to dispose of the body. Traces of Madeleine’s DNA were allegedly found in the vehicle.

Police are puzzled by the high mileage, with 1,700km added to the clock between May 27 and July 3. They are sceptical about the Spanish visit because the couple did not arrange any meetings with dignitaries and two hours are unaccounted for, it was claimed. A

police source told Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha: "The trip to Spain on a national holiday raised suspicion and investigators have been to the country trying to find out where the McCanns went."

The couple’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell insisted the journey was innocent: "The trip to Huelva was organised on behalf of the Find Madeleine Campaign.

"It was conducted in the full glare of journalists from all over Europe and beyond. Kate and Gerry McCann are entirely innocent and have nothing to hide."

It is less than 24 hours since a little girl with striking similarities to Madeleine in Morocco was identified as Bouchra Ben Aisa, a farmer’s daughter. There were concerns that the authorities were slow to act after she was traced by journalists rather than police.

A source close to the couple said: "Frankly it is a sign of the times that journalists can locate a relatively obscure child in the Moroccan mountains and one would hope that the authorities were able to locate a child as quickly as that."

But Mrs McCann’s aunt Janet Kennedy said the McCanns were "philosophical".

"Inevitably it is a disappointment, but I think they are very philosophical about it because it’s happened so many times.

"Just suppose Madeleine is in Morocco, what does that mean? You just have to keep on."

Mrs Kennedy spoke as she helped parcel up more than 2,000 toys and gift given to the McCanns which they have decided to send to underprivileged children in Belarus.

They were left at the war memorial near the family’s home in Rothley, Leicestershire, alongside thousands of green and yellow ribbons.

They will be sent to Zhodina, some 20 miles from the capital Minsk, and Bobrusk in the south of the former Russian republic, next week.

The family has spent nearly £300,000 of the fund set up to help find Madeleine, which has now raised £1,041,697.
Source: The Daily Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/27/wmaddy227.xml)

[Sunny_01]

Just in case anyone is wondering about the £300 k already spent here is a bit of an explanation about where it has been used.

Clicky (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1285931,00.html)

[Dr43%er]

Well that pesky Moroccan family have been up to there old tricks again. I think Amy may have a point.

Look at this new photo just coming in from the major new agencies.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/123andrew/osmad.jpg

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Well that pesky Moroccan family have been up to there old tricks again. I think Amy may have a point.

Look at this new photo just coming in from the major new agencies.
You never fail to make me chuckle :laugh:

[Mrluvaluva]

OMG. It's Gail from Coronation Street!

[Sunny_01]

lol Dr you never fail to make me laugh - have you notified the FBI, MI5, CIA etc that you are aware of Bin Ladens where abouts!!

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
This morning I read this on the Sun Online website (http://www.thesun.co.uk/discussions/posts/list/29896.page)

As one of those on a certain side of this argument, it is ironic I bring this to your attention.

Do you want us to remove our posts and should this thread now be locked, or is the Sun being paranoid?


I think the Sun are being sensible....More sense than the Portuguese police.......

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
lol Dr you never fail to make me laugh - have you notified the FBI, MI5, CIA etc that you are aware of Bin Ladens where abouts!!

You're wrong!!! :mad: It is Gail from Corrie!!! You will see!!! :joker:

[Dr43%er]

Bin Laden!!!!! I thought it was Gail too!!!!

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sticks
This morning I read this on the Sun Online website (http://www.thesun.co.uk/discussions/posts/list/29896.page)

As one of those on a certain side of this argument, it is ironic I bring this to your attention.

Do you want us to remove our posts and should this thread now be locked, or is the Sun being paranoid?

Ooh Sticks. You're in trouble!

[Dr43%er]

Come on, it's obvious. Look at the evidence, the pale skin, brown hair, no chin. Come on. You will see that I am right. Ha.

[Mrluvaluva]

Reports are now coming through that it's NOT Gail from Corrie, but in fact Judy Finnigan! But I am not wrong, the reports are, and it IS Gail!

[Dan_]

It is not Gail, it's actually Vaness Feltz!!! I don't care what any of you say it is clearly her and I will be proven correct.Vanessa Feltz is the best woman ever and Gail sucks.

[Mrluvaluva]

How dare you diss Gail Platt. What you just said is really offensive. Grow up and act your age!

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Dan_
It is not Gail, it's actually Vaness Feltz!!! I don't care what any of you say it is clearly her and I will be proven correct.Vanessa Feltz is the best woman ever and Gail sucks.

I bow to your superior knowledge, since you are never, ever, ever wrong!

[~Kizwiz~]

I'm sorry, but your all wrong and I am right....as always.... its not Gail Platt or Bin Laden or Feltzy..... it is in fact Pauline Fowler

Please dont waste your time in telling me I am wrong because I am right

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
This morning I read this on the Sun Online website (http://www.thesun.co.uk/discussions/posts/list/29896.page)

As one of those on a certain side of this argument, it is ironic I bring this to your attention.

Do you want us to remove our posts and should this thread now be locked, or is the Sun being paranoid?

Paranoid ..No

Consolidating a position to put themselves in good stead to buy their story...absolutely.

The Sun are taking the same position as most other UK papers, tame and subservient in order to be included in the future bidding wars...got to keep in the McCanns good graces.

That reactionary comment on the Suns sight is just that - scaremongering of the highest order to protect them while they jockey for position against the othersnewspapers.

An opinion is not either libel or slander in UK Law.

I am of the opinion that they had something to do with the childs disappearance, because after watching the whole sorry tale unfold, I see gaps in their story and the whole thing just doesn't add up - that is not libel, I'm not stating it as fact, it is my opinion.

[Amy21]

Post deleted by admin. Amy21, stop being so rude and angry towards other posters on threads on this forum. :nono: Please read the forum rules before posting again. You are not using this forum constructively at the moment.

(some later posts have been deleted)

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy21

Post deleted by admin. Amy21, please read the message above.

Amy.... I dont think you are in a position to call someone pathetic.... all the way thro this thread you have been rude and downright impertinent to other peoples views and opinions.

Do you not think that everybodies main concern is to see that she is alive, well and returned to her family?

[Dr43%er]

Bugger. So much work went in to my reply. Well about 10 mins worth. Oh well.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Bugger. So much work went in to my reply. Well about 10 mins worth. Oh well.

Shame Doc..... it was genius... pure genius

[Dr43%er]

I thank you my sugar retarded lovely

Be careful with in jokes between friends other people might not get them and think you are being offensive when you are in fact joking.

To explain the joke, kizwiz is a type 1 diabetic and has to take insulin.

Red

[bananarama]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by Sticks
This morning I read this on the Sun Online website (http://www.thesun.co.uk/discussions/posts/list/29896.page)

As one of those on a certain side of this argument, it is ironic I bring this to your attention.

Do you want us to remove our posts and should this thread now be locked, or is the Sun being paranoid?

Paranoid ..No

Consolidating a position to put themselves in good stead to buy their story...absolutely.

The Sun are taking the same position as most other UK papers, tame and subservient in order to be included in the future bidding wars...got to keep in the McCanns good graces.

That reactionary comment on the Suns sight is just that - scaremongering of the highest order to protect them while they jockey for position against the othersnewspapers.

An opinion is not either libel or slander in UK Law.

I am of the opinion that they had something to do with the childs disappearance, because after watching the whole sorry tale unfold, I see gaps in their story and the whole thing just doesn't add up - that is not libel, I'm not stating it as fact, it is my opinion.


Sometimes there is a fine line between an opinion and an accusation........Reckless to take the chance with opinions so strong they could be argued as being an accusation....

[Sticks]

If you watch this clip from Sky News (http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30000-1286358,00.html) at the part where Kate McCann is speaking. Note lack of tears. Some have said that this is a coldness which indicates that she is just putting on an act, as she knows exactle what has happened.

[Z]

I still think that's an unfair point to make, not everybody is the type to start weeping when something terrible happens to them, she might be the type of person who feels they have to put a brave face on. Plus, if she suddenly started crying now, people would say she's being fake.

[Dr43%er]

Soz Red.

[Sunny_01]

I read in the news of the world yesterday that an anonymous email was sent to the prince of Wales website saying that a disgrunteld employee of the apartments is bein traced after a tip that she took Madeline to spite her employers!

This email was allegedly then sent to Portugal and a number of the facts in it checked out!

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I read in the news of the world yesterday that an anonymous email was sent to the prince of Wales website saying that a disgrunteld employee of the apartments is bein traced after a tip that she took Madeline to spite her employers!

This email was allegedly then sent to Portugal and a number of the facts in it checked out!

forgive the cynicism in the belief that an anonymous email is not worth the virtual paper it is written on.

The News Of the World is The Suns sister paper, and in line for the bidding wars to come for the McCanns story, so they certainly don't want to alienate the golden goose.

If I was trying to deflect attention I'd be sending anonymous emails and letters as well, to deflect attention. Especially if I had a well meaning friend or supporter in the country in question who I had convinced of my innocence

Governments do it, they call it a false flag operation.

I am still seeing a tame press and a hamstrung police operation - if all suspects were treated as leniently as the McCanns in the murder of a british citizen, the British police may as well just admit that their best function is served by dishing out speeding and parking tickets.

we may decry the Portugese Police, but in the disappearance / suspected murder of a British national, regardless of the jurisdiction of the event, the British police are entitled to investigate, especially when the chief suspects are also British.

yet we see none of that.

the same for social services - who I will repeat for the umpteenth time would be all over the low income class family like a bad rash, spiriting away the other children, if similar circumstances applied of beer and chips rather than a foreign holiday and a nice restaurant.

If they are innocent I will hold my hands up and say Thank God - a childs death at the hands of its parents either deliberatley or accidentally is too horrific to contemplate,

but until the British police pursue suspects without fear or favour, regardless of who they are, like they would do if it was my family or yours, or anyone else here - I'll still quote the bard in the loudest voice I have that "theres something rotten in the state of Denmark"

[Amy21]

I just seen the front page of the Daily Express newspaper and its says Madeleine is in Morroco you see more proof that photo must of been her after all. I still believe it was her despite that girl being found not to be her.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy21
I just seen the front page of the Daily Express newspaper and its says Madeleine is in Morroco you see more proof that photo must of been her after all. I still believe it was her despite that girl being found not to be her.

Ok so thats your opinion but I find it hard to believe that its Maddie even after they have tracked the woman and little girl down

[Sunny_01]

The McCanns are now seaking guidance from psychics!!!

Full Story (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1286517,00.html)

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
The McCanns are now seaking guidance from psychics!!!

Full Story (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1286517,00.html)

I have to try and put myself in their position, what would I do if my 3 year old went missing for such a long time without closure..... I think I might do this too.

HOWEVER, why tell the media? Surely its a private affair and should remain between them and the psychics

why all the hoo har of publicity?

[Sunny_01]

I am pretty sure Kiz that they didnt tell the media, it seems to have come from another family member, and when you read right through they appear not to have yet used any psychics just family members suggesting it!

Like you Kiz I would do anything I possibly could in a search for my children so would never rule this out myself. As devote catholics though they may well choose not to use this route directly themselves.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Amy21
I just seen the front page of the Daily Express newspaper and its says Madeleine is in Morroco you see more proof that photo must of been her after all. I still believe it was her despite that girl being found not to be her.

there is living in denial and theres the far off place where you seem to be living :rolleyes:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Sunny_01
The McCanns are now seaking guidance from psychics!!!

Full Story (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1286517,00.html)

I have to try and put myself in their position, what would I do if my 3 year old went missing for such a long time without closure..... I think I might do this too.

HOWEVER, why tell the media? Surely its a private affair and should remain between them and the psychics

why all the hoo har of publicity?

Because publicity is the be and end all - no publicity and the media start to fade and then the poilice may finally get up the nads to do their jobs and interview them properly, and the family members and friends - just like what happens to other people in the real world

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by Amy21
I just seen the front page of the Daily Express newspaper and its says Madeleine is in Morroco you see more proof that photo must of been her after all. I still believe it was her despite that girl being found not to be her.

there is living in denial and theres the far off place where you seem to be living :rolleyes:

:joker:

Sometimes though I wish I had that kind of conviction about this whole mess. I always wanted them to find their daughter (still do) and for them not to be involved and part of me will be so happy if they are proved innocent BUT all that said I just cant get my head round the things they have done and said.

They seem intent on remaining in the public eye, not just keeping Madelines photo but themselves in front of the press 24/7. I hate this media machine the family have turned into, I hate that they have a paid "spokesman" that is being funded by the kind donations of people who wanted to pay to help to try and find this poor little girl.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
If you watch this clip from Sky News (http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30000-1286358,00.html) at the part where Kate McCann is speaking. Note lack of tears. Some have said that this is a coldness which indicates that she is just putting on an act, as she knows exactle what has happened.


Also on Sky news the fact a British expert refused to risk his reputation in helping the Portuguese police because of the mess of an investigation by them.....

The crying example you give is quite frankly meaningless. People react to grief in different ways. In front of people/cameras hold themselves together. The fact she did not show tears is I think clutching at straws to try and convince yourself she is guilty...

I don't know if they are guilty or not. Until proper evidence materializes instead of the souped up gossip and leaks thus far heard then no one can surely come to a difinitive conclusion...

[Amy21]

Originally posted by spacebandit

there is living in denial and theres the far off place where you seem to be living :rolleyes:

I am NOT crazy in the head or living in any land i feel in my whole body that Madeleine is out there alive somewhere with her kidnappers and they keeping her hidden away. But they cant hide forever they WILL get caught out and Madeleine will be found and brought back home to her family and friends. This WILL happen so there. I will be the one who is right and you all will be wrong.

[Billy]

Amy, its not about being right or wrong, its about the life of a little girl who could possibley be dead, and you going on about your right and everyone else is wrong, is extremely pathetic

[Dr43%er]

Have you really just turned 21?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy21
This WILL happen so there. I will be the one who is right and you all will be wrong. And I would love to see that happen really I would, her being reunited with her family that is.

But I think this is more about you being right than anything else...... and it shouldnt be.

Please Amy, I beg you, stop with the I will be right you will all be wrong.... its getting tiresome :rolleyes:

[Dr43%er]

Was it your IQ score?

[Sarah.]

Originally posted by Amy21
Originally posted by spacebandit

there is living in denial and theres the far off place where you seem to be living :rolleyes:

I am NOT crazy in the head or living in any land i feel in my whole body that Madeleine is out there alive somewhere with her kidnappers and they keeping her hidden away. But they cant hide forever they WILL get caught out and Madeleine will be found and brought back home to her family and friends. This WILL happen so there. I will be the one who is right and you all will be wrong.

Sorry but I think you are. You have proven this on many occasions and it is quite difficult for me to believe you're 21. 21 year-olrds don't act like you, they know the difference between opinion and fact.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by bananarama
[Also on Sky news the fact a British expert refused to risk his reputation in helping the Portuguese police because of the mess of an investigation by them.....

The crying example you give is quite frankly meaningless. People react to grief in different ways. In front of people/cameras hold themselves together. The fact she did not show tears is I think clutching at straws to try and convince yourself she is guilty...


This was something others had mentioned. The forensic evidence seems quite compelling. Now they have replaced the police chief heading the inquiry, I noticed how the McCanns were saying how they would cooperate with whoever was running the investigation.

What absolute rot

There are 40 questions they refused to answer. If they were innocent, why did they not answer them?

Why did they suddenly change a trip to Spain at the last moment, and go on a day when the shops would be shut.

What about the missing hours when nobody apart from the McCanns actually saw Madeline.

Why was the scent of death on the cuddle toy, the steps, in the apartment?

Kate shouting that Madeline had been taken, instead of she's gone is highly suspicious, as if a party line had been concocted.

Now we have wild speculations about mythical maids sacked by mythical clubs. Gerry cooking up a story that maybe the mythical abductor was in the room when he last checked it.

Remember 90% of all homicides happen in the home.

The most realistic scenario is that the McCanns killed their own daughter and covered it up. They are intelligent doctors and would have found a way to hide the body.

I notice on the findmadeline.com site, they have a paypal account, maybe Paypal should be alerted that they might be unwitting accomplices to fraud.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Was it your IQ score?

That high? :joker:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Was it your IQ score?

That high? :joker:

test results out of 100 maybe?

[Mrluvaluva]

Nah. Must be brain cells. :whistle:

[Matt]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Nah. Must be brain cells. :whistle:

No Baz... 2.1 brain cells :thumbs:

[Matt]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Well that pesky Moroccan family have been up to there old tricks again. I think Amy may have a point.

Look at this new photo just coming in from the major new agencies.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/123andrew/osmad.jpg

DEAR GOD!

They've finally found Dot Cotton!

:bawling:

[Dr43%er]

We have been through this. It is Gail Platt.

[Matt]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
We have been through this. It is Gail Platt.

No. If you look at this crystal clear zoom in on her face you can see it is Dot Cotton. I know I am right, right, right and you are wrong, wrong, wrong and you will be gutted and sorry when I am proven right.

[Harry!]

MADDIE: CHIEF COP SACKED

FROM THE DAILY STAR

THE BOOZY Portuguese police chief heading the Madeleine McCann inquiry has been sacked from the case after accusing Brit detectives of shielding her parents.


Chief Insp Goncalo Amaral was demoted last night – his 48th birthday – after publicly slamming UK officers for only following up leads that GP Kate and heart surgeon Gerry, both 39, wanted investigating.



The officer, now the equivalent of a constable, had been leading a 30-strong team probing the four-year-old’s disappearance. He has been moved to a small office in Faro.



Amaral had raged: “British police have only investigated tips and information developed and worked on for the McCanns, forgetting the couple are suspects in the death of their daughter Madeleine.’’



His “explosive and indignant” attack caused such a rift, Portugal’s minister of justice Alberto Costa last night had to stepped in. He insisted: “There is great co-operation between police in Portugal and Britain.”



Amaral’s tirade came days after he was blasted for taking long boozy lunches during the case. While the eyes of the world were on last week’s apparent sighting in Morocco, Amaral spent two hours knocking back wine in a restaurant.



The gold medallion-wearing, beer-bellied bobby even breached Portugal’s strict secrecy laws. He told ex-Formula 1 driver Pedro Lamy he was sure Madeleine was dead.



The officer was overheard saying he believed the McCanns had drugged their daughter to keep her quiet and accidentally killed her.



He added: “The police case is we are sure the parents killed Maddie. They are both doctors and know about drugs.”



Details of the officer’s knees-ups came amid claims that Amaral had failed to investigate 252 tip-offs about Madeleine’s possible whereabouts.



Yesterday the detective slammed the Brit police’s decision to probe a lead on the Madeleine case that had been emailed to Prince Charles’s website.



The tip-off claimed Madeleine was abducted by a disgruntled ex-maid at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, where the McCanns had been staying.



Portuguese police ruled it out months ago after a probe revealed the e-mailer used a bogus identity and the maid did not exist. Amaral said the lead “has no credibility for the Portuguese police”.



Last night the McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “We are aware Mr Amaral has been removed from his post and we cannot comment. Kate and Gerry will co-operate with the Portuguese authorities regardless of who is in charge.”

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Amy21
Originally posted by spacebandit

there is living in denial and theres the far off place where you seem to be living :rolleyes:

I am NOT crazy in the head or living in any land i feel in my whole body that Madeleine is out there alive somewhere with her kidnappers and they keeping her hidden away. But they cant hide forever they WILL get caught out and Madeleine will be found and brought back home to her family and friends. This WILL happen so there. I will be the one who is right and you all will be wrong.

When did I actually say that she wouldn't be found? I've not ruled anything on that front.

Why does it always have to be about you being proved right?

[Mrluvaluva]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP3SqT88KcA

[Sunny_01]

The embedded image does not work so here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wysJ7KeGpX4

LOL Baz thats funny!!!

[Sunny_01]

The McCanns are now urging Portugese police to get back to hunting for Madeline in light of the top cop being sacked

Full Story (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1286744,00.html)

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
The embedded image does not work so here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wysJ7KeGpX4

LOL Baz thats funny!!!

Changed. :thumbs:

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by bananarama
[Also on Sky news the fact a British expert refused to risk his reputation in helping the Portuguese police because of the mess of an investigation by them.....

The crying example you give is quite frankly meaningless. People react to grief in different ways. In front of people/cameras hold themselves together. The fact she did not show tears is I think clutching at straws to try and convince yourself she is guilty...


This was something others had mentioned. The forensic evidence seems quite compelling. Now they have replaced the police chief heading the inquiry, I noticed how the McCanns were saying how they would cooperate with whoever was running the investigation.

What absolute rot

There are 40 questions they refused to answer. If they were innocent, why did they not answer them?

Why did they suddenly change a trip to Spain at the last moment, and go on a day when the shops would be shut.

What about the missing hours when nobody apart from the McCanns actually saw Madeline.

Why was the scent of death on the cuddle toy, the steps, in the apartment?

Kate shouting that Madeline had been taken, instead of she's gone is highly suspicious, as if a party line had been concocted.

Now we have wild speculations about mythical maids sacked by mythical clubs. Gerry cooking up a story that maybe the mythical abductor was in the room when he last checked it.

Remember 90% of all homicides happen in the home.

The most realistic scenario is that the McCanns killed their own daughter and covered it up. They are intelligent doctors and would have found a way to hide the body.

I notice on the findmadeline.com site, they have a paypal account, maybe Paypal should be alerted that they might be unwitting accomplices to fraud.

None of the points raisd are in any way evidence one way or the other.

They refused to answer 40 questions!!!! Source!!! Reliable or not???

Percentage probabilities are not evidence.....

Death scent once again not reliable as dogs get it wrong also.

Missing hours. Not evidence don't we all all have time we cannot remember and account for after an event!!!

Thus far there is no evidence come to our ears that is reliable information.

I refer you to the Sky news documentry last Sunday which was pretty damming about the Portuguese police investigation. UK expert stated he did not think the Mc'Canns did it as they neither had the motive or the opportunity...His words not mine.

[Sunny_01]

I think the one thing we can all be sure of is that the Portugese police hanve been inept in their handling of the whole case.

The McCanns behaviour and the investigation are in general 2 seperate issues, we can all easily throw stones BUT we are not in that position.

I am not aware of any "official" evidence that has been released therefore all we are each doing is speculating about the case.

I have my thoughts about the whole situation, I dont like the way the McCanns have handled things but they have kept Madeline in the eye of the worlds press, I dont like that they left their children in a vulnerable situation which is in fact what created this whole mess.

I dont like to rule them out as potential suspects, I wont say I think they did it either, I think they could be involved on some level, but want to be wrong! I cant stomach the thought that people who have generated so much interest in Madeline could be behind something so awful, I also dont like to think of any child losing their lives, particularly at the hands of their parents. I am however realistic and understand that this does happen.

Lets hope with a new person in charge of the investigation that things will move forward and they will take major steps to find that little girl where ever she might be.

[Sticks]

According to the latest DNA news

It looks like a slam dunk (http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/21471) that they are responsible for Madeline's death.

Just when are the police going to arrest them?

You do not need a body to prove murder and they now have the conclusive DNA evidence to bring a successful prosecution.

[Sunny_01]

We can all drum up reports that fit our thoughts though Sticks. I think you will find your "conclusive" evidence is not so conclusive according to another report


Not so Conclusive (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1287476,00.html)

[Mental-Minnie]

Good lord!

Amy/ILC/CFL/Candice/Meline/Candy/Star12/Hayley strikes again.:pat:

[Sticks]

Well this report (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=486648&in_page_id=1770) shows just how ludicrous the abduction scenario is.

Remember the Holmes maxim


When ever you have eliminated the impossible, then whatever remains, no matter how improbable must be the truth.


If abduction is now eliminated as impossible, the only thing we have left is what the PJ have been saying, now backed to the hilt by British forensics, that the McCans killed their own daughter and mounted a cover up campaign.

It is time they were arrested.

[Sunny_01]

Again Sticks you seem to want all the pieces to fit into a neat little box and I just dont see it. Every paper, news agency has a different slant on the story so we can all make things sit in our own little boxes of what we believe to be true.

I think to out and out accuse them is unfair, until the police have SOLID evidence then we should all tread carefully about what we assume to be true. We all have our own thoughts on the matter, I myself dont think they are without blame as they chose to leave their children unattended so they could socialise in peace. That doesnt add up to murder though. I do have my suspicions but would never go as far as to say they are guilty. At the end of the day we live in a country where a jury of our peers gets to determine our guilt following extensive evidence and case building.

Yes the crime may have happened in Portugal but as they have not yet been able to come up with enough evidence to even warrant speaking to the McCanns again how can we be sure they actually were involved.

[Sunny_01]

McCanns thank Ben (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1287694,00.html)

[Sunny_01]

Portugals top Detective has taken over the investigation into missing Madeline

Top Cop (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1287593,00.html)

Also Holidaymakers who stayed at the same apartments as the McCanns are being asked to provide DNA samples and fingerprints as part of the routine investigation. Surely this should have been done at the very start of the investigation?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Portugals top Detective has taken over the investigation into missing Madeline

Top Cop (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1287593,00.html)

Also Holidaymakers who stayed at the same apartments as the McCanns are being asked to provide DNA samples and fingerprints as part of the routine investigation. Surely this should have been done at the very start of the investigation?


It seems the Portuguese police did anything but what they should have done at the start. That in itself should be regarded as a crime by them. A crime of incompetence that if an abduction has taken place a little girl is lost forever due to stupid investigation decisions. If a murder by parents took place also the Portuguese incompetence might well mean the guilty go free.

As things stand in spite of Sticks passion with using none evidence as a basis to decide guilt or not there is no solid reliable evidence submited to us the public that would enable any fair minded person to come to a positive conclusion one way or the other...

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Sunny_01
Portugals top Detective has taken over the investigation into missing Madeline

Top Cop (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1287593,00.html)

Also Holidaymakers who stayed at the same apartments as the McCanns are being asked to provide DNA samples and fingerprints as part of the routine investigation. Surely this should have been done at the very start of the investigation?


It seems the Portuguese police did anything but what they should have done at the start. That in itself should be regarded as a crime by them. A crime of incompetence that if an abduction has taken place a little girl is lost forever due to stupid investigation decisions. If a murder by parents took place also the Portuguese incompetence might well mean the guilty go free.

As things stand in spite of Sticks passion with using none evidence as a basis to decide guilt or not there is no solid reliable evidence submited to us the public that would enable any fair minded person to come to a positive conclusion one way or the other...

I agree with what you say, as I have said many times, I have suspicions about the McCanns but would never say out and out that they are guilty. Without any solid evidence anyone could be responsible for taking that little girl.

[Sunny_01]

Police are raiding the homes of more than 80 peadohiles in the hunt for Madeline

Full Story (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1287932,00.html)

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Police are raiding the homes of more than 80 peadohiles in the hunt for Madeline

Full Story (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1287932,00.html)

This is a completely separate enquiry, rather than a Madeline hunt.

The news still coming from sources close to the investigation in Portugal is that they are still prime suspects (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=487003&in_page_id=1770).

[Sunny_01]

Seperate but still relevent Sticks, surely you can see that?

The Portugese police are like a broken record, we think they did it but we have no evidence, give us some time and we will come up with some!!

What we do know is they failed to seal the crime scene, they failed to hunt for Madeline straight away, they have bumbled their way through the whole investigation.

Sadly because of their inability to carry out an investigation if the McCanns are guilty they will struggle to prove it, in fact they will struggle to prove anything.

[Sticks]

This submission (http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/comments/view/49216) has appeared on the Daily Express site. Unlike the Daily Mail it does not stream out the non-pro McCann submissions.

I also looked briefly at the Daily Mirror site and all are just about anti McCann postings.

There is of course this story reported widely in the media (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=487063&in_page_id=1811) which is be used to show that the explanation that DNA samples may have been from the twins does not hold water. The Portuguese newspaper is defiantly standing by it's story and inviting the McCanns to bring on a libel suit - could this mean there is something in it if the Newspaper is so confident?

[gracie24]

Dispatches are doing a programme about the case in general
Channel 4

[spacebandit]

"If they [the McCanns] think they can sue us, bring it on."


that is pretty bold from a newspaper if it is not sure of its source

[Sunny_01]

Parent accept Madeline might be dead (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1288710,00.html)

[Sunny_01]

Famous author speaks about McCanns and her dislike and the international sport of disliking the McCanns

Clicky (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1288916,00.html)

[GiRTh]

Blimey sunny, I thought you supported them.

I'm going to do some training in Leicester at the Hospital that Kate Mcann works. I'd better make sure I dont make any inappropriate comments.:whistle:

[Sunny_01]

Hell no G, I am careful in what I would imply BUT that said I still have my own personal thoughts and doubts about them. I like to try and keep an open mind about it all though.

You + no inappropriate remarks hmmmm I expect a full written report and how you plan to actually do that?

[GiRTh]

Apparently, many of the Hospital staff wear 'find Madeline' badges. And, the guy who I'm working with has already made enough inappropriate comments for all of us. I hear he once said something entirely inappropriate while Kate MCCann's mother was in the room. Good lord, talk about a faux Pas. :spin2::wink:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Apparently, many of the Hospital staff wear 'find Madeline' badges. And, the guy who I'm working with has already made enough inappropriate comments for all of us. I hear he once said something entirely inappropriate while Kate MCCann's mother was in the room. Good lord, talk about a faux Pas. :spin2::wink:

Oh dear bless him! but at least they will have heard all the bad stuff from him so you might seem tame in comparison, however I doubt that.

I have just read Anne Enrights essay entitled "Disliking the McCanns" that she wrote for the London review of books, it was very good and just said all of the things we have really, like why leave the kids, she has spoken to a friend who is a doctor who she asked about sedation of a child and she discusses her findings, all interesting stuff. I would attach the link but I am far to lazyx

[GiRTh]

I have to say, there is something very cold about Kate McCann.

They, of course, were wrong to leave her on her own and their story is frankly not believable. I know the police have made hash of the case but for someone to come into the flat and remove her without leaving any evidence just does not add up.

[Sunny_01]

I hear you G. It is all such a mess really and at the heart of it is a little girl.

I think that in attempts to make sense of what could have happened we all get a little distracted from the fact that she is still missing, even if she is no longer alive attention needs to go back to finding her so she can have some respect and dignity.

[GiRTh]

Do you think she's still alive? Personally, I doubt it.

[Sunny_01]

No I doubt very much that she is still alive, poor wee lamb. I just pray that they find her (alive or dead) as then this whole thing can come to and end and the little girl can be given a resting place.

[GiRTh]

Agreed. I also don't hold much hope that they're going to find her. This is such a mess.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I have to say, there is something very cold about Kate McCann.

They, of course, were wrong to leave her on her own and their story is frankly not believable. I know the police have made hash of the case but for someone to come into the flat and remove her without leaving any evidence just does not add up.


Problem is are the Potrtuguese police effecient enough to find the evidence. Based on their performance thus far I doubt it.......

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by GiRTh
I have to say, there is something very cold about Kate McCann.

They, of course, were wrong to leave her on her own and their story is frankly not believable. I know the police have made hash of the case but for someone to come into the flat and remove her without leaving any evidence just does not add up.


Problem is are the Potrtuguese police effecient enough to find the evidence. Based on their performance thus far I doubt it....... That's probably true but the story the McCans are sticking to is a very flimsy one.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by GiRTh
I have to say, there is something very cold about Kate McCann.

They, of course, were wrong to leave her on her own and their story is frankly not believable. I know the police have made hash of the case but for someone to come into the flat and remove her without leaving any evidence just does not add up.


Problem is are the Potrtuguese police effecient enough to find the evidence. Based on their performance thus far I doubt it....... That's probably true but the story the McCans are sticking to is a very flimsy one.


The story the Portuguese police are sticking to must also be flimsy otherwise they could have arrested and put them on trial by now.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bananarama
The story the Portuguese police are sticking to must also be flimsy otherwise they could have arrested and put them on trial by now. Indeed, but the way the McCanns have acted makes my skin crawl.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by bananarama
The story the Portuguese police are sticking to must also be flimsy otherwise they could have arrested and put them on trial by now. Indeed, but the way the McCanns have acted makes my skin crawl.

From the evidence or lack of evidence thus far I cannot form a reliable opinion as to their guilt or not.

I am puzzled by what you mean by the way the Mc Cann's have acted that makes your skin crawl.

[Sticks]

Dispatches are doing a special tonight at 21:00 on Channel 4

More Details (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2681658.ece)

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bananarama
From the evidence or lack of evidence thus far I cannot form a reliable opinion as to their guilt or not.

I am puzzled by what you mean by the way the Mc Cann's have acted that makes your skin crawl. Basically the way they stayed out in Portugal for so long, the way Kate comes across on TV. Things like that.

I'm not saying they're guilty I'm merely stating that I find them suspicious.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by bananarama
From the evidence or lack of evidence thus far I cannot form a reliable opinion as to their guilt or not.

I am puzzled by what you mean by the way the Mc Cann's have acted that makes your skin crawl. Basically the way they stayed out in Portugal for so long, the way Kate comes across on TV. Things like that.

I'm not saying they're guilty I'm merely stating that I find them suspicious.

I understand. The only thing that bothers me about them in the early days was their lack of belief that their child was abducted by a child abuser. If a child of mine was taken then that would be a nightmare constantly stuck in my mind. They were able to discount it as they never voiced such fears. Which leads one to believe they new she was not in such hands.

Having said that going on the evidence and the appalling conduct of the Portuguese police I have to keep an open mind as people do react to grief situations in different ways and the Mc.Canne's may simply be protecting their own sanity by blocking out their worst fears......

[Sticks]

Going by the reports of the forensic evidence, the PJ may be right that KM killed her own daughter.

We must not forget this that officially the McCanns are officially suspected of being child killers, and must treat anything they or their spokesman along the lines of they would say that wouldn't they. In fact, by Portuguese law they and their spokespeople should say nothing, no matter what is reported in the press. Already just by referring to a comment about a Bible passage Kate has breached that regulation and the PJ have every right to have her arrested on that charge alone.

They have no right of reply, even if that sounds unfair, It is the law

[Sunny_01]

You keep saying the forensic evidence Sticks but it is purely REPORTED forensic evidence. We have no official line on what it is, where it was found etc.. We have the word of a police officer who has since been removed from the case a police team who have failed to carry out a proper investigation. Yes they are suspects but if the police truly felt them responsible they would have hauled them back by now, or if they even had the slightest bit of evidence linking them.

My dislike is similar to yours G, I feel they have appeared very cold and almost business like when it comes to talking about their missing daughter. I once let my daughter out of my sight in a super market and she hid the little beast I was desperate, frantic and it upset me for days that I thought I had lost her. How can they NOT show a single shred of emotion when discussing their missing child, thats what gets me.

[Sticks]

Proverbial stiff upper lip?

[Crazy]

Just to let everyone know

Searching for Madeleine: a Dispatches Special Thursday 18 October
9:00pm - 10:00pm
Channel 4
With relentless coverage in the press of the Madeleine McCann story, what can a TV documentary add? Dispatches has sent a team of top criminal investigators, led by a retired detective chief superintendent, to Praia da Luz to cast an eye over the Portuguese police's investigation into Madeleine's disappearance. With expertise learnt in dozens of UK cases, the team explores the case and how they would have investigated it. No DVDs were available for preview, but since the programme comes from the usually excellent Films of Record, it's likely to be a thoughtful attempt to separate fact from wildly speculative fiction.

[Sunny_01]

Thanks for that Crazy

[Sticks]

I was disappointed they did not pursue the "Murdered at the hands of her parents" scenario as much as the now discredited abduction scenario

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
I was disappointed they did not pursue the "Murdered at the hands of her parents" scenario as much as the now discredited abduction scenario

for me the most disgraceful aspect is how the mere mention of the possibility that the parents could be responsible is glossed over by the UK media.

Statistically the majority of children murdered are done so at the hands of one or both parents or a guardian.

Yet that cannot even be mentioned.

When such things are glossed over or ignored the result is not "reporting", it is partisan commentary and skewed opinion.

One must ask why they would do this, and the only answer I can come up with is bidding rights for the story.

Do they feel they have to keep on the McCanns good side to be included .........

[Sunny_01]

I was also disappointed that they did not explore this in detail. They claim to have looked at ALL the angels yet failed to highlight that it could in fact have been the parents. I thought the show was a waste of time to be honest, they simply showed what we all knew and certainly did nothing to sway my thinking about the situation.

In fact it made me more annoyed that they left them kids after seeing the where they dined and knowing how far it really is. You just wouldnt would you? I know as a normal, nurturing, caring parent I certainly wouldnt

[GiRTh]

I agree Sunny. That show was a bit of a waste of time.

It probably made the case against the McCanns even stronger.

[EgregiousMinx]

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[bananarama]

Portuguese police credibility demolished.



http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2110_madeleine_parents_innocent.shtml

[bananarama]

The News of the World has learned Kate and Gerry could finally be cleared after new forensic tests carried out in the UK have proved "inconclusive".

DNA testing by the Forensic Science Service in Birmingham on samples of body fluids and blood have NOT provided a positive match to Madeleine.

An FSS source said that further "more complicated" tests were being carried out and denied claims they were holding back information from the Portuguese. Earlier British experts accused the Portuguese of overplaying early DNA evidence to put pressure on the McCanns.

In the days that followed it was alleged that Portuguese police had found fluids and hair from Madeleine in the hire car.

Leaked reports claimed bodily fluids and blonde hairs apparently belonging to Maddie had been found in the Renault, leading to speculation that they used the car to move her corpse weeks later.

Proven
But a source close to the forensic inquiry insisted yestereday: "The testing carried out so far remains inconclusive. There are no complete DNA profiles that could implicate the McCanns.

"Tests are still underway and if they come to the same conclusion the case against the McCanns will collapse."



http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/0710_maddie.shtml

[bananarama]

More food for thought.....



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=488802&in_page_id=1811&ct=5



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=488654&in_page_id=1770

[Sticks]

Originally posted by bananarama
Portuguese police credibility demolished.



http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2110_madeleine_parents_innocent.shtml


One credibility problem here

It's from the News of the world

[spacebandit]

The entire British media have a credibility problem for ignoring the statistical truth about child murder, the be and end all of british media coverage is based on who is going to eventually buy the story.

Once that is done - the other papers will start asking the questions they havent asked yet.

Would the british media be so reticent about the "disappearance" of a child from a working class family who vanished while the parents were in the pub ?

No, they would have asked the questions they daren't ask about the McCanns for fear of being left out of the bidding war to come.

[Sticks]

For the proverbial sake of balance (http://www.theolivepress.es/2007/10/25/a-local-paedophile-not-the-mccanns-killed-maddie/)


As the parents of Missing Madeleine claim their innocence on Spanish TV, the Olive Press’ Jon Clarke – the first British newspaper journalist on the scene – analyses why the McCanns did not do it


Mind you when the McCanns appeared on Spanish television, 70% of respondents did not believe they were telling the truth.

Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=489404&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)

[Sticks]

Another link says 75% think they were lying (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=489720&in_page_id=1770)

[Sunny_01]

An artist impression

clicky (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1290208,00.html)

[Sticks]

More on that 70% poll believing the McCanns are lying (http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/23189)

(Daily Express)

[Captain.Remy]

We don't hear much about that story anymore, what's happening actually ?

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by sunshine30
We don't hear much about that story anymore, what's happening actually ?

Someone is quietly getting away with murder

[J.C.]

^ Well, I suppose I can't blame you for not saying exactly who is getting away with Murder, but that's the point isn't it? You can't say what you can't prove.
The only thing about this whole case that is a fact is that the police have made a complete foul up of their entire investigation and tbh it wouldn't surprise me if they became so sensitive to the British press criticism that they may well have exaggerated things in order to force the parents to leave the country and most of the press with them.

If the police really believed the parents were guilty they should have kept them there until such evidence was or wasn't found and they would have already changed the 'suspect' status of that other man who is still a suspect simply because a journalist said he was being over keen to help. As we know, it later transpired that he was acting as a very helpful translator.

IMO, there is not a shred of concrete evidence against the Mcanns and that is the real reason that the UK press are still generally behind them.
Does anyone really buy into the police theory that the parents gave Maddie an overdose of a sleeping drug, hid the body and then ran the risk of transporting it 25 days later. It's utter nonsense, imo.

The Mcanns are doctors who would be less likely to make this mistake than any other type of professional., And if they did and they were devious, then they would have simply reported the incident claiming that Maddie had somehow got hold of pills and swallowed them herself.

I can't claim to know any more than the next person, but surely they deserve our support as fellow citizens until such time that real evidence can be put forward. This would also give Maddie a far better chance of being found if she is still alive. None of us our privy to the precise information and we are not lie detectors either.

I still hope and pray for Maddie and feel nothing but compassion for her parents at this moment in time.

[Sticks]

Point of information

Gerry is a Heart Surgeon, Kate a locum GP. Neither are paediatricians. (Please don't confuse this word with Paedophile as some in Wales did (http://archive.salon.com/sex/world/2000/09/26/vigilante/print.html)

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
More on that 70% poll believing the McCanns are lying (http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/23189)

(Daily Express)


How is that relavent!!! What people believe and what people know can be entirely different.

Many believe there is a god but could be completely wrong as no proof is available.

Many people believe there is no god but could be completely wrong as no proof is available.

Individual beliefs are meaningless what matters in all cases is evidence of proof one way or the other. Not thoughts and beliefs based on spars muddy information....

As the saying goes innocent until proven guilty.......

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
Point of information

Gerry is a Heart Surgeon, Kate a locum GP. Neither are paediatricians. (Please don't confuse this word with Paedophile as some in Wales did (http://archive.salon.com/sex/world/2000/09/26/vigilante/print.html)


That could explain there apparent lack of emotion and coolness observed by some. Medical people after all are used to the harsh reality of life and death.

I suppose it could also give someone the ability to know how to cut up a body and dispose of without trace.......Not that I am saying they have done so.......In view of your strong belief they are guilty of a crime has that possibility crossed your mind!!!!

[Sunny_01]

Do you think that the find Madeline fund should have been used to pay mortgage payments? Did you give money thinking it would fund the search for Madeline, over a third of the money has been used on living costs, media and salaries!

Full Story (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1290652,00.html)

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Do you think that the find Madeline fund should have been used to pay mortgage payments? Did you give money thinking it would fund the search for Madeline, over a third of the money has been used on living costs, media and salaries!

Full Story (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1290652,00.html)

If they have been on paid leave all this time I would consider it inappropriate to use the fund for their mortgage payments. However, if they left their jobs and salaries had stopped then I think it was acceptable, as it would have allowed them to focus their attentions on the search for their daughter.

I thought that the £50,000 for the PR bill in Portugal was certainly bordering on advantage taking.

[Mrluvaluva]

Gerry Mcann has been on unpaid leave as far as I am aware.

[Sunny_01]

Yep I am pretty sure he is on unpaid leave and Kate is a locum GP so will not likely be getting paid from anywhere.

The problem for me is people will have handed money over thinking it would help fund the search for Madeline not keeping her parents in the life to which they have become accustomed. Also the PR bill, was the really essential spending? they are getting so much FREE press anyway from the worlds media.