Madeleine McCann [Police 'looking at eight important new leads']

[Sticks]

They did state that this fund was to support them in their search and as they were on unpaid leave two mortgage payments were made. This stopped when they were made formal suspects. The fund, surprise, surprise is not technically a charity.

In my view when they were made arguidos the ISP should have pulled the plug on the website and paypal should have pulled their account, on the grounds they might be aiding and abetting a fraud on the general public.

I suppose if someone had a mind to, they could get in touch with those organisations to demand they do such actions. So far I have held back from doing that

[Sunny_01]

Detectives following up new sighting say they are sure they will find Madeline.

Full Story (http://news.aol.co.uk/detective-vows-to-find-madeleine/article/20071102011709990002)

[J.C.]

^This agency sounds very positive, and the longer this goes on the more I feel inclined to think it may have been an abduction to order.

After everything that has happened, it would really make my year if she is found alive.:thumbs:

[Sunny_01]

Mine as well J.C critical as I have been of her parents I would like nothing more than for that little girl to be found alive.

[Sticks]

Sorry that is not going to happen (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=491270&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)



New forensic tests appear to support the theory that Kate and Gerry McCann could have been involved in Madeleine's disappearance, it has emerged.

Sources say the results from a second batch of testing, conducted at a laboratory in Birmingham, have been passed to Portuguese detectives via Leicestershire police.

These findings are alleged to include the discovery of the girl's DNA - believed to have been obtained from Madeleine's bodily fluids and hair - in the McCanns' hire car which was rented 25 days after the girl went missing.

Traces of Madeleine's blood in her parents' holiday apartment are also said to have been found.

Tests on the bodily fluids found in the hire car are understood to show that they came from a corpse and that the body was moved.

Sources also indicate that the volume of material found is too great for it to have been transferred via Madeleine's toys or clothing or from her parents' possessions.

It is also believed that the tests have produced no evidence to indicate the involvement of any other person.


This looks like a slam dunk

It looks like she is dead and her parents killed her

So when are they going to be arrested!!! :mad:


Edit: Amend a statement for potential legal reasons

[J.C.]

^I’m sure most of us are confident in the testing being carried out by the British police. If we are, then I would also like to have the same confidence in believing that they would not leak this information to the press.

An anonymous source in such a serious matter is a big worry for me and a big reason why I am debating press integrity in another thread.

Many of the comments made under the article seem to share my concern.

I accept that there are many unanswered questions in this whole saga but even if the source were accurate it wouldn’t necessarily be proof that the parents or a parent were responsible. There were other family members who quite possibly had access to the flat and the car.

I don’t know the truth and obviously hope you are wrong.
I feel that if there is concrete evidence against them it can’t be long now before we hear about it one way or the other, and officially.

[Sticks]

Maddie: She was Killed (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/20003/MADDIE-SHE-WAS-KILLED/)

Daily Star




MADELEINE McCann’s parents are to face a grilling by British police over sensational new evidence.

The findings allegedly prove that the three-year-old did die in the family’s holiday apartment.


And they also reportedly back up the police theory that her body was moved in a car her parents hired 24 days later.


The findings were last night being studied by Paulo Rebelo, the new police chief on the case. And the new DNA results will come as a total shock to Kate and Gerry McCann, both 39.


They had hoped reports their daughter was smuggled into Morocco would shift the finger of blame away from the family.


According to leaked details of the new report:


TRACES of Madeleine’s blood are said to have been found in the apartment.


TESTS on body fluids found in the spare tyre well in the boot of the hire car show they came from a corpse.


THE body had been moved.


HAIR found in the car belonged to Madeleine. Sources say the volume of material found is too great for it to have been transferred via Maddie’s toys or clothing.


So far, forensic experts have found no evidence to indicate any other person was involved. They have not discovered any forensic trace of a possible abductor in the McCanns’ apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.


Sources say the results from a second batch of tests – conducted at the Forensic Science Service’s laboratory in Birmingham – were passed to Portuguese detectives via Leicestershire Police.


A senior detective said last night that Rebelo is “certain” to want to re-question Madeleine’s GP mum Kate and heart consultant dad Gerry, who remain official suspects. But the grilling would almost certainly be carried out in England by Brit detectives.


He said: “Portuguese officers may be allowed to observe the interviews, but they will not have the jurisdiction to conduct them in England.

“English detectives will be free to carry out interviews on their terms.


“They will focus on extracting precise details in a bid to expose any inconsistencies in the couple’s accounts – no matter how minute.


“These interviews will be tape- recorded and videoed so their respon-ses can be painstakingly examined. If they are not being truthful that would be almost certain to emerge.’’


Two months ago police accused Kate of accidentally killing her daughter in the apartment after giving her sedatives to help her sleep while she and her husband dined with pals in a nearby tapas bar.


They alleged the couple then disposed of the body in a bid to mask their negligence.


Police believe they initially stashed the corpse in a temporary hideaway before moving it to its final resting place in the hire car.


Police began to suspect the couple in July after British sniffer dogs trained to detect death and blood reacted inside the apartment and the car.


The McCanns, from Rothley, Leics, deny any involvement in their daughter’s disappearance and insist she was abducted.


Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “This is yet another unsourced, unsubstantiated and possibly inaccurate report and as such we simply won’t comment on it.


“Kate and Gerry are entirely innocent and therefore are unconcerned about reports in the media because they know the truth.”



So much for the Moroccan wild goose chase for a fictitious abductor

[bananarama]

The Daily Star. That says it all.........

[XxShortyxX]

They found he hair in the car??? So she had never been in the car before, only when they killed her and put her in the car. They are so stupid, anyone with half a brain cell can see how much Madeline's parents care about her, you can see the pain they are going through.

Stupid papers, stupid police.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by bananarama
The Daily Star. That says it all.........

And various other newspapers

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by bananarama
The Daily Star. That says it all.........

And various other newspapers


Also the Portuguese police. Perhaps most of all.

[Sticks]

Who is more credible, the Proper police authorities, backed up by the finest in British forensics and highly accurate and experienced cadaver dogs or two people suspected of killing their own daughter?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
Who is more credible, the Proper police authorities, backed up by the finest in British forensics and highly accurate and experienced cadaver dogs or two people suspected of killing their own daughter?

The portuguese police would deserve the title "proper authorities" if they behaved that way. They don't as you well know. Proper authorities do not leak information enough to smear but not arrest. while at the same time claim to have a policy of secrecy. Secrecy that has at the beginning hampered the enquiry throughout.

Mc'Canns guilty or innocent the portuguese police are clearly guilty of incompetence and internal corruption leaking info that will devalue the credibility of any possible future prosecution.....

With world wide smearing of the suspects how are they going to find jury members than can be trusted to be impartial and listen to evidence minus all the newspaper speculation and misinformation.

If anyone should be arrested at this time it is the portuguese investigators. As for British involvement....British cops were not on the scene at the most vital time. That counts for a lot considering the poprtuguese happy sloppy ways of investigating.....All evidence found by the portuguese authority will lack credibilty as it has clearly been corrupted by lack of intelligence when conducting the initial investigations....

[Sticks]

I saw this petition (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Freezingfund/?e) on the internet.

I have not signed it...

....yet

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
I saw this petition (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Freezingfund/?e) on the internet.

I have not signed it...

....yet

I have, as soon as I read about salaries

the money was supposed to be used to find the child, and publicise the campaign to find the child, and highlight other missing children .

What we now get to discover are mortgage payments and salaries. Though who is salaried is not specified.

But clearly the "fund" now admits that someone is making a living off this.

Of course it is NOT a registered charity, as I said when the thing was set up, it not being a registered charity means you have no comeback if the money is not used for what you were led to believe it would be.

When you donate to a charity, under British law you can have a reasonable expectation of where all or part of that money will go and/or what it will be used for, minus any expenses and running costs incurred.

This is not a charity, and under British law when you donate to a fund such as this, without charitable status as it is not registered as such, you have no legal right to expect a service to be carried out from your donation.

So mortgages and salaries it is.

very savvy, and disgraceful ....IMO

[cgimusic]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by Sticks
I saw this petition (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Freezingfund/?e) on the internet.

I have not signed it...

....yet

I have, as soon as I read about salaries

the money was supposed to be used to find the child, and publicise the campaign to find the child, and highlight other missing children .

What we now get to discover are mortgage payments and salaries. Though who is salaried is not specified.

But clearly the "fund" now admits that someone is making a living off this.

Of course it is NOT a registered charity, as I said when the thing was set up, it not being a registered charity means you have no comeback if the money is not used for what you were led to believe it would be.

When you donate to a charity, under British law you can have a reasonable expectation of where all or part of that money will go and/or what it will be used for, minus any expenses and running costs incurred.

This is not a charity, and under British law when you donate to a fund such as this, without charitable status as it is not registered as such, you have no legal right to expect a service to be carried out from your donation.

So mortgages and salaries it is.

very savvy, and disgraceful ....IMO

I agree as well. The money should be put towards finding other missing children. It shouldn't just be a prise draw where if your kid gets snatched you get £1M.

[Sunny_01]

Action against McCanns for child neglect has been lodged in the form of a private prosecution by a former MP

Full Story (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1293031,00.html)

Also today one of the women dining with the McCanns has started to talk openly today after accusations that she had lied about seeing Madeline carried off.

Story here (http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=nw20071116160358544C609738)

[spacebandit]

Wonder if we can expect panorama to be an objective look at all facets of the case ?,

With real and pertinent questions asked

Or just another sleight of hand showcase that may as well have been directed by one of the un-named people who are being payed a salary from the fund ?

[J.C.]

I don't think we should get too carried away about this fund, it's not like they have really hit the jackpot. A few thousand would go a long way if they are innocent and they could be sued for it if there is a different outcome.

I was concerned about the brief clip I saw of this interview as the lady kept shaking her head(no) while saying yes!

Imo the private action by the MP is premature and goes over the heads of the police who should know more about the case. I think he is probably more concerned about 'why' the children were left alone and presumably he is working on the basis that the parents are guilty of something much worse and that if they are going to claim an abduction took place then they must also find a time when they and other family members were separated from the children.

Personally, I feel there is so much confusion in this case that they deserve support until some concrete evidence is put forward. Furthermore if the investigating police are so sure about the parent's involvement then why can't they release the other suspect from his suspect status.:conf:

[Sticks]

This guy was not a former MP, but a former parliamentary candidate for UKIP

Anyway, the McCanns are soooo hated in Portugal, if the McCanns were put on trial, I suspect, which ever jury they pick it would only take them 5 seconds to all find them guilty. (The time taken to shout "guilty as charged" in unison) It does not matter what evidence they present, there is not a jury that would aquit them.

Then case closed and no more innocent families of blonde girls will be bothered.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by J.C.
I don't think we should get too carried away about this fund, it's not like they have really hit the jackpot. A few thousand would go a long way if they are innocent and they could be sued for it if there is a different outcome.

I was concerned about the brief clip I saw of this interview as the lady kept shaking her head(no) while saying yes!

Imo the private action by the MP is premature and goes over the heads of the police who should know more about the case. I think he is probably more concerned about 'why' the children were left alone

he is not alone, I think his actions are brought about from questions many people want to know the answers to...and a good number of people here have asked them.

Basically if a working class / council estate / low income couple with three young children left them alone and went to the pub for a few hours, then called into the chippy on the way home then found out one of thie children missing what would happen ?

Firstly social services would be all over them like a bad rash despite their "anguish" social services would be claiming the saftey of the other children is paramount, chances are the other children would be taken from them and they would have to go to court to get supervised visitation - then if they are innocent of any suspicion it usually takes around two years to get custody back via a court.

Those of us old enough to have seen similar cases reported on the news in the past can easily identify the pattern, but not in this case.

In the McCanns case - even the simplest questions are not being asked, the commonest statistic about child murder is ignored and they get a free ride from the British media that the above mentioned low income couple would not get because they would be too busy cricifying them for leaving the children alone, but it would seem that a professional couple able to afford holidays abroad get the kid gloves treatment from the authorities, unlike poor old low income family who would long ago have been branded child murderewrs by the self same media currently falling over themselves to curry favour with the McCanns. They have to do that to guarantee a place in the bidding war for the story that will follow

As for the fund, it is not a "few thousand" - it is now on its way to its second MILLION, it is not a registered charity and has just admitted that it pays mortgages and salaries from a fund set up to find the child, publicise the case and publicise other such cases.

Its a cash cow, without the checks and balances under British law enforced upon a charity.

Theres money in them thar shallow graves

[J.C.]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by J.C.
I don't think we should get too carried away about this fund, it's not like they have really hit the jackpot. A few thousand would go a long way if they are innocent and they could be sued for it if there is a different outcome.

I was concerned about the brief clip I saw of this interview as the lady kept shaking her head(no) while saying yes!

Imo the private action by the MP is premature and goes over the heads of the police who should know more about the case. I think he is probably more concerned about 'why' the children were left alone

he is not alone, I think his actions are brought about from questions many people want to know the answers to...and a good number of people here have asked them.

Basically if a working class / council estate / low income couple with three young children left them alone and went to the pub for a few hours, then called into the chippy on the way home then found out one of thie children missing what would happen ?

Firstly social services would be all over them like a bad rash despite their "anguish" social services would be claiming the saftey of the other children is paramount, chances are the other children would be taken from them and they would have to go to court to get supervised visitation - then if they are innocent of any suspicion it usually takes around two years to get custody back via a court.

Those of us old enough to have seen similar cases reported on the news in the past can easily identify the pattern, but not in this case.

In the McCanns case - even the simplest questions are not being asked, the commonest statistic about child murder is ignored and they get a free ride from the British media that the above mentioned low income couple would not get because they would be too busy cricifying them for leaving the children alone, but it would seem that a professional couple able to afford holidays abroad get the kid gloves treatment from the authorities, unlike poor old low income family who would long ago have been branded child murderewrs by the self same media currently falling over themselves to curry favour with the McCanns. They have to do that to guarantee a place in the bidding war for the story that will follow

As for the fund, it is not a "few thousand" - it is now on its way to its second MILLION, it is not a registered charity and has just admitted that it pays mortgages and salaries from a fund set up to find the child, publicise the case and publicise other such cases.

Its a cash cow, without the checks and balances under British law enforced upon a charity.

Theres money in them thar shallow graves

In respect of the fund , I was referring to the amounts that the Mcanns had received personally for the two or three mortgage payments etc, which surely is only a few thousand.
Some of the remainder is being used to track down their daughter through detective agencies and publicity etc which is only a bad thing in the eyes of those who don’t consider a person or persons innocent until proven guilty.

I completely agree about the fact that they probably did break UK law by leaving the children alone, I merely think that it is premature to push the Mcanns into a courtroom at this moment in time, whilst there is still a live search in progress for their missing child.

In the case of low income or high income families leaving their children unattended in the UK, I believe social services would rightly be all over them like a rash in both instances. The difference here is not because they are a middle or high income family but surely more about the fact that it occurred in another country where the police, perhaps foolishly, stated early on that they did not blame the parents for leaving the children alone, and the sad fact that a girl has possibly been abducted.

It would not surprise me if social services have raised the relevant issues with the parents already but haven’t taken legal action themselves as yet because they may feel that the parents (rich or poor) are under enough pressure at this moment and will await the outcome of the police investigation as indeed, I think we all should.

[Sticks]

Social services have already spoken to them and did not consider any further action by them was needed.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Sticks
Social services have already spoken to them and did not consider any further action by them was needed.

Which raises the "class" issue when it comes to social services intervention.

[J.C.]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by Sticks
Social services have already spoken to them and did not consider any further action by them was needed.

Which raises the "class" issue when it comes to social services intervention.


Possibly, but it raises many other issues too, none less than the fact that the law seems a bit wishy washy in this area and perhaps should be reviewed. I copied this from another board;

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This from the Churches Child Protetion Advice Service
"Is it against the law to leave children unattended at home?
No, it's not against the law to leave a child unattended at any age but it is against the law to leave children in circumstances that put them in any kind of danger. So, for example, leaving a young child alone for several hours could place them in physical danger and emotional harm through loneliness and fear. Someone under 18 is legally a child and though you can leave children younger than that alone, you must be sure that they can cope adequately and that you have guarded against all possible risks. Young children should never be left alone."
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So assuming this is correct then the law should surely state that it is illegal to leave children of a certain age unattended as they are clearly always at risk on their own. This may have been one of the issues that social services have had with the Mcanns.

Edit;
Just now on the BBC news the detective agency are claiming that they are very close to tracking down the kidnapper, and that a very reliable source saw Madeline two days after the event.

I know we have heard this type of thing before but this agency does have serious credentials, and we can at least hope. :thumbs:

[Sticks]

Sorry, but we have to go by the forensic evidence and the inconsistencies of witness statement. The most likely scenario is what the PJ have said happened. That Madeline was killed by her own mother and her farther covered it up. The Tapas 7 helped hide the body, which was then moved 25 days later in the hire car, where the evidence of fluid from a corpse was found underneath the carpet, in amounts large enough to rule out passive transfer.

Check the crime statistics, in homicides in the homes, 90% are carried out by a close family relative.

Who is more credible, the proper police authorities or two people officially suspected of being child killers.

[J.C.]

^
You are clearly well informed on all the information that has been released from the various sources, and I would like to make a proper response to your post. Before I can make that reply I wonder if you or any other member can give me an answer to a couple of questions.

1. What is the current evidence that points to the mother being responsible rather than any other family member?

2 Was the dna sample in the car a 100% match with Maddies ?

3 How long was the car rented before the police seized it?

4. What is the main and most significant inconsistency of the witness statement?

5. What is the alleged evidence that points to the ‘Tapas 7’ assisting in the body hiding?

[Sunny_01]

J.C your post is spot on, we have to be careful not to make sweeping decisions based on poor reporting.

[J.C.]

^Thank you Sunny.

The BBC Panorama program offered an informative view of the case so far and cleared up some details. There was a lot of information and I didn’t record it, so please, anyone feel free to correct and add anything as needed.

The Car Trip; The DNA samples were taken from the floor of the rear seat and not in the boot’s tyre well as widely reported. There was a partial match, with more test results still to come. Though sources and police are not expecting the required 99% match. If not, one must consider why not?
I wonder if it has been compared with the other members of the family?

The sniffer dogs smelt death on the outside of the car and not on the inside. This could have been human or another type of animal. Again, one must consider why not on the inside if there had been a body there.

There was a camera man (friend of the Mcanns) sitting filming in the back seat. Panorama suggested that this footage may be good evidence for the Mcanns as it would suggest that whilst filming there would have had to have been a body laying at his feet, something I and many others will find utterly unbelievable.

DNA…. As far as I recall, the so called blood spot in Maddies room was not even mentioned in the program. This may have been an important oversight or otherwise suggests that it may not have been blood at all. This blood spec was potentially going to be key evidence against the Mcanns.

Witness Inconsistencies.

I found this part of the program a little confusing.

a. There is a difference between the Mcanns friend’s version of when the police were called and the police version. I believe it was a 10 minute difference and the significance is that it would have allowed a small amount of extra time to deal with a body. In the UK the police would know about this for certain and if the Portuguese can’t prove it they should be careful as it may be construed as merely an excuse for their late arrival on the scene.

b. The police also say that Maddie,s mum showed a propensity to lie in that she described Maddie as hyperactive when they can show she is not. I have no idea of the significance of this part but I would say that the definition of hyperactivity levels are subjective anyway.

c. The Mcanns friend who claims she saw a man carrying a child in pink pajamas and without shoes on seemed credible enough on the tv program and when asked about why there are some discrepancies amongst the ‘Tapas 11’ accounts on the time line she calmly pointed out that with so many people trying to recall their movements there are bound to be some inaccuracies…..I understand this as I once saw a program about how unclear witnesses can be. If I had to account for all my actions only yesterday I know I wouldn’t be anywhere near 100% accurate.


Murat's 'alleged involvement; His mother stated that he was with her at all times throughout the all important time line. She too seemed credible enough, but of course that wouldn’t necessarily rule out any involvement directly or indirectly.



I obviously have no idea of what really happened that night and my real interest is about the finding of Maddie and that losing a child is bad enough without the additional nightmare of living the rest of their lives as suspects when they could easily be innocent. I saw nothing new that was especially damming and certain things that lead me to think that the current case against them is even weaker than I thought.

[spacebandit]

Occams Razor / the statistics of victimology within families with regard to child homicide.

The simplest answer is almost always THE answer

[J.C.]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Occams Razor / the statistics of victimology within families with regard to child homicide.

The simplest answer is almost always THE answer

Medieval philosophy may go a long way but not imo when peoples livelihoods are at stake. When did you decide it was homicide, as not even the Portuguese police have put that idea forward as yet ?

[Sticks]

Originally posted by J.C.
as not even the Portuguese police have put that idea forward as yet ?


Oh yes they did, when they made the McCanns official suspects. Kate was offered a deal of confess to killing Masdeline by accident and you only do two years in jail. A very generous offer considering. A good lawyer would have gone for that plea bargin.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by J.C.
as not even the Portuguese police have put that idea forward as yet ?


Oh yes they did, when they made the McCanns official suspects. Kate was offered a deal of confess to killing Masdeline by accident and you only do two years in jail. A very generous offer considering. A good lawyer would have gone for that plea bargin.

You have to consider that they tried to apply this type of pressure to try and clear things up for themselves. Based on what was shown there is no "clear" evidence against the parents.

Like I have said before I dont like that they left their children in a vulnerable situation, however that doesnt make them killers. I dont have a clear picture in my mind about what happened as not enough detail has been released. I do yes have doubts about the parents, it would be niave not to. Also I wonder would that amount of people who they dined with be prepared to be involved in such a large cover up, I know that I would not do that for any friend.

[J.C.]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by J.C.
as not even the Portuguese police have put that idea forward as yet ?


Oh yes they did, when they made the McCanns official suspects. Kate was offered a deal of confess to killing Masdeline by accident and you only do two years in jail. A very generous offer considering. A good lawyer would have gone for that plea bargin.

Yes sorry , that's true, I meant that it has not yet been put to her with all the DNA results at hand or their investigation completed.(not as yet charged with an offense)
I'm not on some obsessive mission to save the Mcanns as I fully understand that there is plenty to explain. I just don't want to accuse them of something where I know very little about the truth. We will just have to wait and see how this unfolds.:thumbs:

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by J.C.
Originally posted by spacebandit
Occams Razor / the statistics of victimology within families with regard to child homicide.

The simplest answer is almost always THE answer

Medieval philosophy may go a long way but not imo when peoples livelihoods are at stake. When did you decide it was homicide, as not even the Portuguese police have put that idea forward as yet ?

My original post states quite clearly why I think it is a murder case, the simplest answer, and in cases like this, sadly, the simplest answer means one thing.

All I am seeing now, on the surface. from the McCanns and a litany of dubious tabloid sources are theories and multiple sightings and mixed with straighfoward accusations against third parties.

I notice you did not comment on the livelihood of the third parties currently being maligned and flat out accused in the british press, the same press giving the McCanns a disgracefully easy ride.

I believe the child is dead. As horrific as that is.
and I believe the statistics of familial relationships with child murder victims would once again prove correct.

Although I am beginning to doubt it will happen, as the family have been exonerated by the british press with the same maligning tone you took when you asked "When did you decide it was homicide, as not even the Portuguese police have put that idea forward as yet ? "

I did not "decide", I looked at the story from multiple sides as we have seen lately on TV here, although the reporting exists only within a very narrow spectrum, from the pretence of serious reportage that still avoids the difficult questions to the disgusting backslapping one sided affairs we see in the papers and on some tv stations, and I see it as full of holes along with a host of other factors and information I have discussed on this forum before, and then I......

Formed an opinion

Sadly on a balance of probabilities - the child is dead.
and on the same balance of probabilities the child knew the killer.

I would love to be wrong - if I was I'd celebrate big style.

But lets be blunt, any open minded person knows the way this is going.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
Sorry, but we have to go by the forensic evidence and the inconsistencies of witness statement. The most likely scenario is what the PJ have said happened. That Madeline was killed by her own mother and her farther covered it up. The Tapas 7 helped hide the body, which was then moved 25 days later in the hire car, where the evidence of fluid from a corpse was found underneath the carpet, in amounts large enough to rule out passive transfer.

Check the crime statistics, in homicides in the homes, 90% are carried out by a close family relative.

Who is more credible, the proper police authorities or two people officially suspected of being child killers.


The Portuguese police credible. You have to be joking....

I have said this before. statistics about the percentages about parents being guilty are not evidence.....

I don't know if they are guilty or not. I refuse to become a witch hunter and proclaim they are when all the evidence thus far is confused and hear say. Most of which has been leaked by an irresposible Portuguese police force and added to by sensationlistic newspapers wanating to sell papers.....

[Sunny_01]

Murats Solicitor lashes out at McCanns (again)

Full story (http://news.aol.co.uk/murat-lawyer-attacks-mccanns/article/20071128040909990005)

[bananarama]

At last a day of reckoning for newspaper lies.

[Sticks]

Originally posted by bananarama
At last a day of reckoning for newspaper lies.

Or a dark day for freedom of speach

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by bananarama
At last a day of reckoning for newspaper lies.

Or a dark day for freedom of speach


A dark day for the freedom to libel and predudice the legal system

[x.Nicola.x]

I can't believe this poor child still hasn't been found :(. Not far off a year now since she went missing.

[Xander]

They will never find her, still think the parents did it and i don't agree with them taken action on the newspapers for them saying they did. And theres all this publicity about it when theres other kids missing out there that are no more important than madelince is but yet shes is getting the most attention

[Spike]

They will never find her, I think the parents killed her.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Spike
They will never find her, the parents killed her. LOL

I agree. The only scenario that make sense to me is that one or both of the parents had some hand in her death. I find it frankly not believable that someone took this girl from a relatively well lit place without leaving a single shred of evidence.

[Spike]

I said the first night I saw it on the news the parent killed her I could tell by the way they were speaking to the press. I still think they have killed her if someone had of taken her she would of been found by now dead or alive.

[bananarama]

I hope you guys making unproven accusations are loaded with money!!!!!!!

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Spike
I said the first night I saw it on the news the parent killed her I could tell by the way they were speaking to the press. I still think they have killed her if someone had of taken her she would of been found by now dead or alive.

It's people like you throwing these allegations around that really make me mad. The police found blood in the car and people claim that Kate and Gerry hid her after they reported her missing....sorry but that hardly seems likely when the apartment was surrounded by press 24hrs a day and their wasn't a second for about 3 months that they weren't being hounded by the press I hardly think that is was likely they could just bundle her up in the boot of a car without getting noticed.

Also you say they would have founf the body if she was taken...why does this make any difference if she was killed by her parents why wouldn't they have found the body if they had killed her?

The bottem line is that before you go around saying they have killed her you should bother thinking a little more.

[Xander]

There has been hardly any evidence in nearly a year, I still believe that the parents were involved. I still dont agree with the massive press coverage its getting. Personally im fedup of the Mcann's trying to be in the news all the time.

[Spike]

Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
I said the first night I saw it on the news the parent killed her I could tell by the way they were speaking to the press. I still think they have killed her if someone had of taken her she would of been found by now dead or alive.

It's people like you throwing these allegations around that really make me mad. The police found blood in the car and people claim that Kate and Gerry hid her after they reported her missing....sorry but that hardly seems likely when the apartment was surrounded by press 24hrs a day and their wasn't a second for about 3 months that they weren't being hounded by the press I hardly think that is was likely they could just bundle her up in the boot of a car without getting noticed.

Also you say they would have founf the body if she was taken...why does this make any difference if she was killed by her parents why wouldn't they have found the body if they had killed her?

The bottem line is that before you go around saying they have killed her you should bother thinking a little more.

and its people like you who make me mad. Sticking up for those parents if they didn't kill her its still their fault why she was taken and I want to know why social services haven't taken the other kids off them they should be in prison for leaving their own kids on their own at night in a foreign country. They are a disgrace! What ever happened to Madeline its their fault

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
I said the first night I saw it on the news the parent killed her I could tell by the way they were speaking to the press. I still think they have killed her if someone had of taken her she would of been found by now dead or alive.

It's people like you throwing these allegations around that really make me mad. The police found blood in the car and people claim that Kate and Gerry hid her after they reported her missing....sorry but that hardly seems likely when the apartment was surrounded by press 24hrs a day and their wasn't a second for about 3 months that they weren't being hounded by the press I hardly think that is was likely they could just bundle her up in the boot of a car without getting noticed.

Also you say they would have founf the body if she was taken...why does this make any difference if she was killed by her parents why wouldn't they have found the body if they had killed her?

The bottem line is that before you go around saying they have killed her you should bother thinking a little more.

and its people like you who make me mad. Sticking up for those parents if they didn't kill her its still their fault why she was taken and I want to know why social services haven't taken the other kids off them they should be in prison for leaving their own kids on their own at night in a foreign country. They are a disgrace! What ever happened to Madeline its their fault

Trust me if you had ever been to Pria De Luz in Portugal (as I have) you would be more sympathetic. Kaye and Gerry wouldn't have thought twice about leaving them there because it is such a friendly place where you would never expect this to happen. And social services agree with me or they would have taken the other children of them.

[Spike]

Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
I said the first night I saw it on the news the parent killed her I could tell by the way they were speaking to the press. I still think they have killed her if someone had of taken her she would of been found by now dead or alive.

It's people like you throwing these allegations around that really make me mad. The police found blood in the car and people claim that Kate and Gerry hid her after they reported her missing....sorry but that hardly seems likely when the apartment was surrounded by press 24hrs a day and their wasn't a second for about 3 months that they weren't being hounded by the press I hardly think that is was likely they could just bundle her up in the boot of a car without getting noticed.

Also you say they would have founf the body if she was taken...why does this make any difference if she was killed by her parents why wouldn't they have found the body if they had killed her?

The bottem line is that before you go around saying they have killed her you should bother thinking a little more.

and its people like you who make me mad. Sticking up for those parents if they didn't kill her its still their fault why she was taken and I want to know why social services haven't taken the other kids off them they should be in prison for leaving their own kids on their own at night in a foreign country. They are a disgrace! What ever happened to Madeline its their fault

Trust me if you had ever been to Pria De Luz in Portugal (as I have) you would be more sympathetic. Kaye and Gerry wouldn't have thought twice about leaving them there because it is such a friendly place where you would never expect this to happen. And social services agree with me or they would have taken the other children of them.

So because its a friendly place its fine to leave children who don't know the area or country alone thats just a pathetic comment. It doesn't matter where they left the children the fact is they did and its wrong and because they did something happened to Madeline, I don't think it was such a friendly place.

What you have said is really stupid. They are a disgrace for leaving their kids anywhere while they go out enjoying themselves and your a disgrace for trying to defend them.

[Sticks]

There is still the forensics which is quite damming

Bodily fluid and too much for passive transference, thee is also the missing time when they could have had ample time to hide a body before reporting her missing. Remember for a while they had their own private key to the church. Kate's bible was open at a very interesting passage which made the PJ suspicious.

Who is more believable, the proper police authorities to two people who are officially suspected of having a hand in her disappearance .


Go back and check the crime statistics 4 out of 5 cases, a close relative is involved. Is that not what happened with Shannon Matthews?

[Sticks]

Also

There were 40 questions they would not answer

I wonder why

No smoke without fire

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
I said the first night I saw it on the news the parent killed her I could tell by the way they were speaking to the press. I still think they have killed her if someone had of taken her she would of been found by now dead or alive.

It's people like you throwing these allegations around that really make me mad. The police found blood in the car and people claim that Kate and Gerry hid her after they reported her missing....sorry but that hardly seems likely when the apartment was surrounded by press 24hrs a day and their wasn't a second for about 3 months that they weren't being hounded by the press I hardly think that is was likely they could just bundle her up in the boot of a car without getting noticed.

Also you say they would have founf the body if she was taken...why does this make any difference if she was killed by her parents why wouldn't they have found the body if they had killed her?

The bottem line is that before you go around saying they have killed her you should bother thinking a little more.

and its people like you who make me mad. Sticking up for those parents if they didn't kill her its still their fault why she was taken and I want to know why social services haven't taken the other kids off them they should be in prison for leaving their own kids on their own at night in a foreign country. They are a disgrace! What ever happened to Madeline its their fault

Trust me if you had ever been to Pria De Luz in Portugal (as I have) you would be more sympathetic. Kaye and Gerry wouldn't have thought twice about leaving them there because it is such a friendly place where you would never expect this to happen. And social services agree with me or they would have taken the other children of them.

So because its a friendly place its fine to leave children who don't know the area or country alone thats just a pathetic comment. It doesn't matter where they left the children the fact is they did and its wrong and because they did something happened to Madeline, I don't think it was such a friendly place.

What you have said is really stupid. They are a disgrace for leaving their kids anywhere while they go out enjoying themselves and your a disgrace for trying to defend them.

Just to let you know you could be sued for slander for some of the things you have said in this thread so I think you are the disgrace :thumbs:

[Spike]

Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
I said the first night I saw it on the news the parent killed her I could tell by the way they were speaking to the press. I still think they have killed her if someone had of taken her she would of been found by now dead or alive.

It's people like you throwing these allegations around that really make me mad. The police found blood in the car and people claim that Kate and Gerry hid her after they reported her missing....sorry but that hardly seems likely when the apartment was surrounded by press 24hrs a day and their wasn't a second for about 3 months that they weren't being hounded by the press I hardly think that is was likely they could just bundle her up in the boot of a car without getting noticed.

Also you say they would have founf the body if she was taken...why does this make any difference if she was killed by her parents why wouldn't they have found the body if they had killed her?

The bottem line is that before you go around saying they have killed her you should bother thinking a little more.

and its people like you who make me mad. Sticking up for those parents if they didn't kill her its still their fault why she was taken and I want to know why social services haven't taken the other kids off them they should be in prison for leaving their own kids on their own at night in a foreign country. They are a disgrace! What ever happened to Madeline its their fault

Trust me if you had ever been to Pria De Luz in Portugal (as I have) you would be more sympathetic. Kaye and Gerry wouldn't have thought twice about leaving them there because it is such a friendly place where you would never expect this to happen. And social services agree with me or they would have taken the other children of them.

So because its a friendly place its fine to leave children who don't know the area or country alone thats just a pathetic comment. It doesn't matter where they left the children the fact is they did and its wrong and because they did something happened to Madeline, I don't think it was such a friendly place.

What you have said is really stupid. They are a disgrace for leaving their kids anywhere while they go out enjoying themselves and your a disgrace for trying to defend them.

Just to let you know you could be sued for slander for some of the things you have said in this thread so I think you are the disgrace :thumbs:

I don't really care. They should be in prison and I really can't understand why people want to defend them because its all their fault

[GiRTh]

Sued for slander? By whom?

I agree with Spike. The only scenario that makes sense it that one or both of her parents had a hand in her death. It may have been an accident but it's the only thing that's believable.

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
I said the first night I saw it on the news the parent killed her I could tell by the way they were speaking to the press. I still think they have killed her if someone had of taken her she would of been found by now dead or alive.

It's people like you throwing these allegations around that really make me mad. The police found blood in the car and people claim that Kate and Gerry hid her after they reported her missing....sorry but that hardly seems likely when the apartment was surrounded by press 24hrs a day and their wasn't a second for about 3 months that they weren't being hounded by the press I hardly think that is was likely they could just bundle her up in the boot of a car without getting noticed.

Also you say they would have founf the body if she was taken...why does this make any difference if she was killed by her parents why wouldn't they have found the body if they had killed her?

The bottem line is that before you go around saying they have killed her you should bother thinking a little more.

and its people like you who make me mad. Sticking up for those parents if they didn't kill her its still their fault why she was taken and I want to know why social services haven't taken the other kids off them they should be in prison for leaving their own kids on their own at night in a foreign country. They are a disgrace! What ever happened to Madeline its their fault

Trust me if you had ever been to Pria De Luz in Portugal (as I have) you would be more sympathetic. Kaye and Gerry wouldn't have thought twice about leaving them there because it is such a friendly place where you would never expect this to happen. And social services agree with me or they would have taken the other children of them.

So because its a friendly place its fine to leave children who don't know the area or country alone thats just a pathetic comment. It doesn't matter where they left the children the fact is they did and its wrong and because they did something happened to Madeline, I don't think it was such a friendly place.

What you have said is really stupid. They are a disgrace for leaving their kids anywhere while they go out enjoying themselves and your a disgrace for trying to defend them.

Just to let you know you could be sued for slander for some of the things you have said in this thread so I think you are the disgrace :thumbs:

I don't really care. They should be in prison and I really can't understand why people want to defend them because its all their fault

Again with the slander! :bigsmile:

[Spike]

I really don't understand why you are still defending the parents, killed her or not its their fault she is dead for leaving her. Do you think that it was right for them to leave the children alone at night in a foreign country?

[Sticks]

Technically if it is typed, it is Libel

Slander is when it is spoken

[Sarah.]

Some of you here are saying things matter-of-factly. Thing is, we don't know what happened and it's not right to assume things, but it's even worse when people say 'It's the parents fault'. Where is your evidence to back up your claim which you say as if it's true?

[Spike]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
Some of you here are saying things matter-of-factly. Thing is, we don't know what happened and it's not right to assume things, but it's even worse when people say 'It's the parents fault'. Where is your evidence to back up your claim which you say as if it's true?

Its the parents fault because if they hadn't of left her alone she wouldn't have been taken, if that is what really happened.

[Dr43%er]

Lets forget for the moment that Madeline is missing. The simple fact is that it was neglect on behalf of the parents. Remember Madeline was the eldest of the children left. Lets say the youngest had woke up, put something in their mouth and started choking. Would Madeline know what to do? No. Neglect.

If that is liable, sue me.

[Sarah.]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by mrs_rko
Some of you here are saying things matter-of-factly. Thing is, we don't know what happened and it's not right to assume things, but it's even worse when people say 'It's the parents fault'. Where is your evidence to back up your claim which you say as if it's true?

Its the parents fault because if they hadn't of left her alone she wouldn't have been taken, if that is what really happened.

I'm on about how you say they killed her. You don't know that for sure but you are saying that as it's the truth.

[Spike]

Originally posted by mrs_rko
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by mrs_rko
Some of you here are saying things matter-of-factly. Thing is, we don't know what happened and it's not right to assume things, but it's even worse when people say 'It's the parents fault'. Where is your evidence to back up your claim which you say as if it's true?

Its the parents fault because if they hadn't of left her alone she wouldn't have been taken, if that is what really happened.

I'm on about how you say they killed her. You don't know that for sure but you are saying that as it's the truth.

Maybe they didn't but there is a lot of evidence to say they did, I am sure they killed her I would be surprised if they hadn't

[Spike]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Lets forget for the moment that Madeline is missing. The simple fact is that it was neglect on behalf of the parents. Remember Madeline was the eldest of the children left. Lets say the youngest had woke up, put something in their mouth and started choking. Would Madeline know what to do? No. Neglect.

If that is liable, sue me.

Exactly. Its neglect they are bad parents anything could have happened to any of the children and they wouldn't of known. Every night on the holidays they left the children in the apartment, if they were going to leave the children in the apartment why bother taking them on holiday.

Thats why I cant understand people defending them, they are bad parents who should have the other children taken off them.

[~Kizwiz~]

I agree with Spike, Doc and G, take out the equation that Maddie is missing.

They left 3 kids alone! They werent in the garden they were in a restaurant. I find it a complete and utter outrage that they left 3 very very young kids unattended.

Ask yourselves this.... if you lived next door to a pub would you leave kids alone and go for a drink?

[Tom]

I think its shocking how they still have the other kids after everything that has happened.

[Hugo]

Originally posted by ~kizwiz~
I agree with Spike, Doc and G, take out the equation that Maddie is missing.

They left 3 kids alone! They werent in the garden they were in a restaurant. I find it a complete and utter outrage that they left 3 very very young kids unattended.

Ask yourselves this.... if you lived next door to a pub would you leave kids alone and go for a drink?

UK? No way in hell. Algrave? Possibly...

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Lets forget for the moment that Madeline is missing. The simple fact is that it was neglect on behalf of the parents. Remember Madeline was the eldest of the children left. Lets say the youngest had woke up, put something in their mouth and started choking. Would Madeline know what to do? No. Neglect.

If that is liable, sue me.

Exactly. Its neglect they are bad parents anything could have happened to any of the children and they wouldn't of known. Every night on the holidays they left the children in the apartment, if they were going to leave the children in the apartment why bother taking them on holiday.

Thats why I cant understand people defending them, they are bad parents who should have the other children taken off them.

I thought you said they killed her but now your saying they shouldn't have left her...

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by ~kizwiz~
I agree with Spike, Doc and G, take out the equation that Maddie is missing.

They left 3 kids alone! They werent in the garden they were in a restaurant. I find it a complete and utter outrage that they left 3 very very young kids unattended.

Ask yourselves this.... if you lived next door to a pub would you leave kids alone and go for a drink?

UK? No way in hell. Algrave? Possibly... Let's hope your kids speak the language.:wink:

[Xander]

I wouldn't leave my kids unatteneded especially in another country where i would be even more protective.

[Spike]

Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Lets forget for the moment that Madeline is missing. The simple fact is that it was neglect on behalf of the parents. Remember Madeline was the eldest of the children left. Lets say the youngest had woke up, put something in their mouth and started choking. Would Madeline know what to do? No. Neglect.

If that is liable, sue me.

Exactly. Its neglect they are bad parents anything could have happened to any of the children and they wouldn't of known. Every night on the holidays they left the children in the apartment, if they were going to leave the children in the apartment why bother taking them on holiday.

Thats why I cant understand people defending them, they are bad parents who should have the other children taken off them.

I thought you said they killed her but now your saying they shouldn't have left her...

I'm saying if they didn't kill her its still their fault she is dead because they left her

[~Kizwiz~]

I cant understand why they havent been halled up for neglect

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by tooperfectI thought you said they killed her but now your saying they shouldn't have left her... Either way there's blood on their hands.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Xander
I wouldn't leave my kids unatteneded especially in another country where i would be even more protective.

The thing is, they were on a package holiday in Portugal meaning a lot of Brits and Germans would be there so essentially it would just be similar to the UK anyway. It makes me wonder whether they left their homes in the UK to go to the pub for a bit.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by tooperfect

UK? No way in hell. Algrave? Possibly...

But human predators are everywhere

[Spike]

Originally posted by Tom_
Originally posted by Xander
I wouldn't leave my kids unatteneded especially in another country where i would be even more protective.

The thing is, they were on a package holiday in Portugal meaning a lot of Brits and Germans would be there so essentially it would just be similar to the UK anyway. It makes me wonder whether they left their homes in the UK to go to the pub for a bit.

Thats what I was thinking, I bet they have been neglecting their kids for a while. If they can leave their kids alone while in a foreign country they could do it easily in the UK

[Hugo]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Lets forget for the moment that Madeline is missing. The simple fact is that it was neglect on behalf of the parents. Remember Madeline was the eldest of the children left. Lets say the youngest had woke up, put something in their mouth and started choking. Would Madeline know what to do? No. Neglect.

If that is liable, sue me.

Exactly. Its neglect they are bad parents anything could have happened to any of the children and they wouldn't of known. Every night on the holidays they left the children in the apartment, if they were going to leave the children in the apartment why bother taking them on holiday.

Thats why I cant understand people defending them, they are bad parents who should have the other children taken off them.

I thought you said they killed her but now your saying they shouldn't have left her...

I'm saying if they didn't kill her its still their fault she is dead because they left her

But we don't know that she is dead...It is much more likely she would have been found dead than alive

[Spike]

Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by Dr43%er
Lets forget for the moment that Madeline is missing. The simple fact is that it was neglect on behalf of the parents. Remember Madeline was the eldest of the children left. Lets say the youngest had woke up, put something in their mouth and started choking. Would Madeline know what to do? No. Neglect.

If that is liable, sue me.

Exactly. Its neglect they are bad parents anything could have happened to any of the children and they wouldn't of known. Every night on the holidays they left the children in the apartment, if they were going to leave the children in the apartment why bother taking them on holiday.

Thats why I cant understand people defending them, they are bad parents who should have the other children taken off them.

I thought you said they killed her but now your saying they shouldn't have left her...

I'm saying if they didn't kill her its still their fault she is dead because they left her

But we don't know that she is dead...It is much more likely she would have been found dead than alive

Yes you believe she is alive I think its obvious she is dead now

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by tooperfect
But we don't know that she is dead...It is much more likely she would have been found dead than alive Not necesarily. In many high profile cases victims have not been found until years after the crime. Take Fred and Rose West they, quite litereally, got away with murder for years. Those girls were missing for years. The same could be true for Madeline. She may be missing for years before she is found.

[bananarama]

Its amazing really how some think they are safe from being done for libel. Exactly what the newspapers thought no doubt...

Some on here can I think thank their lucky stars or indeed hope their legal team are not aware of this site......

There is no evidence to date in spite of what Sticks may think is evidence. If there were then a prosecution would have been made by now......

Just be carful folk as some of the statements are quite dangerous to make......Everyone has a right to their belief just becarful how it is expressed. I am surprised TIBB is allowing extreme allegations considering what happened to the press.........

[Sticks]

I did ask about this at the beginning, so the Mods are aware.

As for evidence, a lot of the forensic evidence was given to the Portuguese press. My understanding is that it was the UK press that rolled over and gave up, annoying a lot of journalists.

If there were evidence against the McCanns, then they would not be official suspects. They are, so there must be. Why else are the Tapas 7 being re-interviewed, because something does not add up.

[Dr43%er]

"UK? No way in hell. Algrave? Possibly..."

Ok, they are from a small, picturesque village in north Leicestershire. I know Rothely well. It is my neck of the woods. See the link bellow for what it is like.

http://www.leicestershirevillages.com/rothley/17921.html

Nothing happens there.

In fact I am not aware of any child kidnappings from Rothely. The resort they were in now has one kidnapping. So statistically that makes it more dangerous than Rothely.

But once again lets leave the missing child out of this. Can you prove to me that the smallest child is more likely to choke in the UK than in the Algarve? I can't see how there is any difference in leaving your child in the UK or the Algarve. Well there is the small fact that it is illegal to do it in the UK.

[Xander]

DETECTIVES are probing a “sighting” of Madeleine McCann in Tenerife.

Tourist Margaret Jones believes she saw the missing four-year-old at the Spanish island’s airport.

She contacted Metodo 3 — the detectives hired by the McCanns — after returning home to Cardiff.

The media worker, in her 60s, said: “I was sitting opposite a shop. I spotted a little girl with curly red hair with a man, who was about 5ft 10in.

“When the little girl looked up, my heart skipped a beat. I took one look and thought, ‘My God, it’s Maddie’.

“They walked off and I had to get my plane.”

Mrs Jones said she reported the incident to Crimestoppers on March 7, and emailed Leicestershire Police.

Maddie from Rothley, Leics, vanished on holiday in Portugal 11 months ago



Source (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/maddie/article1003166.ece)

[Sunny_01]

I think that people need to be very careful when arguing about this issue.

Everyone is entitiled to an opinion about what they "believe" "may" have happened but be very careful in our wording about this issue. The McCanns have already successfuly sued newspapers for libelous claims.

My opinion is that the children should NOT have been left unattended, had they been supervised appropriately none of this dicussion would have taken place.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
I did ask about this at the beginning, so the Mods are aware.

As for evidence, a lot of the forensic evidence was given to the Portuguese press. My understanding is that it was the UK press that rolled over and gave up, annoying a lot of journalists.

If there were evidence against the McCanns, then they would not be official suspects. They are, so there must be. Why else are the Tapas 7 being re-interviewed, because something does not add up.

Murat was still is as far as I know an official suspect. what evidence has been stated regarding him..
Is being in the wrong place at the wrong time evidence!!!! Probably is to that so called police force out there...

[Sunny_01]

I agree with bananarama here Sticks. The alleged evidence has never really been made public, it was suggested but never officially released. I have my own thoughts and suspicions on this matter but would no sooner believe the papers about what "evidence" the portugese police may have.

If they had evidence they would have charged them, simple as really. Also the questions unanswere at interview might even be something as simple as a question already answered in a different way. It could also be things they feel are not related to the case.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bananarama
Its amazing really how some think they are safe from being done for libel. Exactly what the newspapers thought no doubt...

Some on here can I think thank their lucky stars or indeed hope their legal team are not aware of this site......

There is no evidence to date in spite of what Sticks may think is evidence. If there were then a prosecution would have been made by now......

Just be carful folk as some of the statements are quite dangerous to make......Everyone has a right to their belief just becarful how it is expressed. I am surprised TIBB is allowing extreme allegations considering what happened to the press.........
Really? So did OJ Simpson sue all those people who thought he was guilty? As I recall some people even published books on how he got away with his crime. You know what - I'll take my chances but thanks for the warning.

Anyway, the Tapas 7 are being quizzed.

A team of Portuguese police has arrived in the UK to sit in on interviews with friends of Kate and Gerry McCann.


The detectives' flight from Faro landed at East Midlands Airport where they were met by British officers and escorted through a private exit.

They will observe interviews carried out by officers from Leicestershire Constabulary with friends of the McCanns - the so-called Tapas Seven - who were dining with them in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz last year when the McCann's daughter Madeleine disappeared.

The team, led by Paulo Rebelo, who is heading the Madeleine McCann case, will not actually question the group themselves.

A spokeswoman for Leicestershire Constabulary said the group would be interviewed as witnesses and are free to leave at any time. No lawyers will be present.

It is believed the interviews will take place at the force's headquarters in Enderby.

The McCanns, from Rothley, Leicestershire, will not be questioned in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine.

Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said the couple welcomed the interviews and were happy to be reinterviewed, but a request had not been made by Portuguese detectives.

There had been speculation that diaries and Madeleine's Cuddle Cat toy could be seized by Portuguese officers, but it is understood that no property will be searched or seized.

The process of interviewing key witnesses will last several weeks, but the Portuguese detectives are believed to be returning home at the end of the week.

Source (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20080407/tuk-police-fly-in-for-tapas-seven-quiz-6323e80.html)

[Barbie]

In the defence of the parents some people actually feel they are in a holiday resort no one is out to harm them and everyone is here for the same thing and so everything is safer than home.
what doesnt add up for me is that Madeleine was taken in an alleged gap of 15 mins which gives an indication that if she was taken it wasnt by chance and that is was planned. i think everything that has been broght to attention indicates what ever happened was planned unless it was the sedation thing that accidentally killed her but how would they get the body away and get to dinner like normal and if it was an accident how would the parents hold their shock and emotions in?

[bananarama]

Quote from GiRTh......Really? So did OJ Simpson sue all those people who thought he was guilty? As I recall some people even published books on how he got away with his crime. You know what - I'll take my chances but thanks for the warning.




No prob its your skin your bank balance...Free to do what ever you like with either.......

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bananarama
Quote from GiRTh......Really? So did OJ Simpson sue all those people who thought he was guilty? As I recall some people even published books on how he got away with his crime. You know what - I'll take my chances but thanks for the warning.




No prob its your skin your bank balance...Free to do what ever you like with either....... Thanks. I will.:thumbs:

Here's a LINK (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=rSMFAAAACAAJ&dq=inauthor:Vincent+inauthor:Bugliosi) to one of the books on the OJ trial that I was talking about. I dont see any evidence that OJ has sued this guy. If he can write a book outlining how OJ Simpson got away with murder then deep down I'm not all that worried about posting virtutally anonymously on this forum. Thank you for being so concerned for my welfare.

[Sticks]

Although I suppose TM could go after Mark, the owner of TiBB, which was why I first ever raised this issue with the Mods. Did they want us talking about a subject where one party was trying to stifle free speech by throwing writs around.

Just like the good old days with Captain Bob

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
Although I suppose TM could go after Mark, the owner of TiBB, which was why I first ever raised this issue with the Mods. Did they want us talking about a subject where one party was trying to stifle free speech by throwing writs around.

Just like the good old days with Captain Bob

Stifeling "Libel" Is not stifling free speech as anyone can choose to take the free speech road and libel someone providing they are happy to take the possible consequences...

The law has to protect free speech and the right not to be a victim of libel or slander.

Guilt or not should be left to the courts not hearsay repeated from sensationilstic newspapers after a quick buck at anyones expence.....

[Sticks]

We now return this thread to it's regular programme

[Sunny_01]

A whole year that Madeline has been missing now.

It is so sad to think that she has never been found.

[x.Nicola.x]

It's so upsetting that this little girl still hasn't been found after a year. I still hope she is found alive, I know it's a slim chance but for Madeleine's sake I hope she is found safe and well and soon.

[Glenn.]

Ive always thought from the start of this case that Maddie is still alive. I believe that she has been sold into slavery, and is somewhere in Europe.. Well were all hoping anyway..

[lolester]

all the attention

im sorry but u think with all of the attention she is probley wraped up in a bag with heavy rocks in the bottom on the ocean

she cant be alive with all the media hype

[_Audrey]

Her case has been closed. :(

[Hugo]

Originally posted by _Audrey
Her case has been closed. :(

OMG! So they have stopped looking for her :sad: or the person responsible..

[_Audrey]

Originally posted by tooperfect
Originally posted by _Audrey
Her case has been closed. :(

OMG! So they have stopped looking for her :sad: or the person responsible..

Yeah. "Lack of evidence" :sad:

[Hugo]

I still think she is alive. She will turn up maybe not soon but in the future maybe 10. Come home Maddie :sad:

[AlexBigBrother]

no i seriously doubt it,

[Sticks]

They have now denied they are closing the case.

[_Audrey]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4246941.ece

[bananarama]

Case closed. Murat and the Mcanns no longer suspects......

[Sticks]

So when are they going to prosecute the McCanns for leaving the children unattended?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
So when are they going to prosecute the McCanns for leaving the children unattended?

No mention of that. All indications are they won't. Complicated law and all that.....Anyway that would task the inelligence of the Portuguese police too far....

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Sticks
So when are they going to prosecute the McCanns for leaving the children unattended?

I suppose they would struggle to make any kind of credible case now that the they have been able to find Madeline, the Portugese police dont want to be seen to be the tormentors of the McCanns. I agree it is neglect in every way but I think they have been punished enough on this occasion. They have to live every day with their poor decision and will always have to live with that choice.

[rayheartbliss]

omg!

how long have they been searching for her???

[bananarama]

Originally posted by rayheartbliss
omg!

how long have they been searching for her???

More than a year....But it's questionable as to how long the police have been actually searching as opposed to chasing red herrins and contaminating the crime scene.....

[Sticks]

What about the 40 unanswered questions?

[Matt10k]

I know this is a morbid question- but do you think she is still alive and living with some other family that kidnapped her, or dead?

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
What about the 40 unanswered questions?

Assuming they exist.....

[Sticks]

Originally posted by Matt10k
I know this is a morbid question- but do you think she is still alive and living with some other family that kidnapped her, or dead?

She most likely died the day she disappeared.

There was a period of time between when she was last seen by anyone other than Team McCann and when she was allegedly reported missing that gives ample time for a body to be disposed of somewhere.

In most homicides, it is usually a close family member that is involved, according to most reliable crime statistics. Hence suspicion must fall on the parents. If this had been in Britain, they would have been suspects from day one.

[Matt10k]

They should make the McCann's do a lie detector test.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Matt10k
They should make the McCann's do a lie detector test.

Against human rights. lie detector results are not reliable anyway in spite of what TV shows may claim......

Even if they were 97% accurate that they lied there is still a chance that they would be telling the truth. Only a 100% accurate detector would be of any use and that does not exist....

[Fom]

The detective that worked on the early stages of the case is going to release a book about the case and releasing a lot of information that the public don't know. It should be very interesting... I don't know what to believe in the case anymore, its hard to make assumptions when you know absolutely nothing. I had high hopes she was still alive because I hate seeing kids being murdered... but I suppose thats the only feasible answer.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Fom
The detective that worked on the early stages of the case is going to release a book about the case and releasing a lot of information that the public don't know. It should be very interesting... I don't know what to believe in the case anymore, its hard to make assumptions when you know absolutely nothing. I had high hopes she was still alive because I hate seeing kids being murdered... but I suppose thats the only feasible answer.

Don't like the sound of a detective making money out of the case.......Could turn into trial by media.....Who is to know how much of what he say's is true or sensationalised to make it good reading.......

All facts related to the case should come only from the official source anything else would be corrupt in my opinion.....

[Sticks]

But what about the statistic that 90% of all homicides are committed within the family?

What about the Cadava dogs evidence

What about the DNA evidence in the hire car

[Fom]

Im just assuming there is more to it than we all know, they clearly havent told the public everything. And really they are in their rights not too.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
But what about the statistic that 90% of all homicides are committed within the family?

What about the Cadava dogs evidence

What about the DNA evidence in the hire car


Probably all lies. You know what the printed media are like......

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Fom
Im just assuming there is more to it than we all know, they clearly havent told the public everything. And really they are in their rights not too.

Yep there certainly is more to it than we shall ever know me thinks.......However what ever is released should come from an official source and not a money making Portuguese cop.......

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Sticks
But what about the statistic that 90% of all homicides are committed within the family?

What about the Cadava dogs evidence

What about the DNA evidence in the hire car

Sky news were discussing the cadava dogs today and it appears that what was reported at the time was not entirely accurate, surprise surprise!!

I still dont know what to think but I wont be judge and jury to something that there is no clear evidence about. The only things we know are what is reported in the press. How I wonder does that make the press more credible than the McCanns? how are they telling the truth and the parents lying?

As for 90% being family murders, well there are a huge 10% outstanding there so lets not rest our whole case on an issue like that, surely you cant be basing your thoughts on those simple thoughts.

DNA evidence in the car again, was reported on sky this morning that this might not have been accurate and that the McCanns are having it investigated themselves.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Matt10k
They should make the McCann's do a lie detector test.

Against human rights. lie detector results are not reliable anyway in spite of what TV shows may claim......

Even if they were 97% accurate that they lied there is still a chance that they would be telling the truth. Only a 100% accurate detector would be of any use and that does not exist....

They aren't against human rights. I polygraph test would be perfectly acceptable. With a properly trained polygrapher, they ARE 97% accurate and if we apply this to both parents- if the results showed desception, we are talking an incredibly low chance that those results are false.

I'm not saying it should be used as the only evidence to convict them- but could certainly be used as part of the evidence against them. Remember- guilt is decided by courts of humans, based on things that may or may not be fact, as provided by witnesses who may also not be accurate- 97% is better than a lot of people get in court...

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Matt10k
They should make the McCann's do a lie detector test.

Against human rights. lie detector results are not reliable anyway in spite of what TV shows may claim......

Even if they were 97% accurate that they lied there is still a chance that they would be telling the truth. Only a 100% accurate detector would be of any use and that does not exist....

They aren't against human rights. I polygraph test would be perfectly acceptable. With a properly trained polygrapher, they ARE 97% accurate and if we apply this to both parents- if the results showed desception, we are talking an incredibly low chance that those results are false.

I'm not saying it should be used as the only evidence to convict them- but could certainly be used as part of the evidence against them. Remember- guilt is decided by courts of humans, based on things that may or may not be fact, as provided by witnesses who may also not be accurate- 97% is better than a lot of people get in court...

The people who provide a polygraph service are bound to claim a high rate otherwise no one would buy the service...

To force someone to have a polygraph would be a blatent intrusion on human rights as polygraph results are not evidence of proof as long as there is the remotest chance of it being wrong..

You cannot even force people to answer questions let alone take gimmicky lie detectot tests...

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Matt10k
They should make the McCann's do a lie detector test.

Against human rights. lie detector results are not reliable anyway in spite of what TV shows may claim......

Even if they were 97% accurate that they lied there is still a chance that they would be telling the truth. Only a 100% accurate detector would be of any use and that does not exist....

They aren't against human rights. I polygraph test would be perfectly acceptable. With a properly trained polygrapher, they ARE 97% accurate and if we apply this to both parents- if the results showed desception, we are talking an incredibly low chance that those results are false.

I'm not saying it should be used as the only evidence to convict them- but could certainly be used as part of the evidence against them. Remember- guilt is decided by courts of humans, based on things that may or may not be fact, as provided by witnesses who may also not be accurate- 97% is better than a lot of people get in court...

The people who provide a polygraph service are bound to claim a high rate otherwise no one would buy the service...

To force someone to have a polygraph would be a blatent intrusion on human rights as polygraph results are not evidence of proof as long as there is the remotest chance of it being wrong..

You cannot even force people to answer questions let alone take gimmicky lie detectot tests...

The ones conducted by professionals are not gimmicky and they don't make up the accuracy percentage. :rolleyes:

Also, as I said, I think it'd be perfectly acceptable. Look at how the court system works. Is that always 100% accurate? Are witnesses always 100% accurate? No. And it wouldn’t be the only evidence used, but part of the evidence used for/ against them.

When Louise Woodward was convicted of murdering that baby, she did a lie detector test, which confirmed she was telling the truth and, along with other evidence (or lack of), the charges were dropped and she was released. So it wasn’t the only evidence used for her case but it certainly strengthened it.

Now if the McCann’s had nothing to hide, you'd think they'd want to do one, especially considering there are two of them, so they could do two separate tests and the results would be even more accurate. I bet you anything, if they’d have been charged, like louse was of murder, they’d do one to try and clear their name.

[Fom]

The police have some weird thing with human rights, if you dont want to answer a question in a police interview you don't have too, but surely they can twist the rules a little bit to allow extreme cases like this. They dont have to use it as a hard answer, such as if they killed her or not. But it could be used to push the detectives in the right direction, if its wrong then so what. Its just faulty evidence like you get all the time, but if its right... then some major actions can be taken.
Small questions like... "Have you seen madeline after she disappeared?" or "Did you check on madeline?"

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Matt10k
Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Matt10k
They should make the McCann's do a lie detector test.

Against human rights. lie detector results are not reliable anyway in spite of what TV shows may claim......

Even if they were 97% accurate that they lied there is still a chance that they would be telling the truth. Only a 100% accurate detector would be of any use and that does not exist....

They aren't against human rights. I polygraph test would be perfectly acceptable. With a properly trained polygrapher, they ARE 97% accurate and if we apply this to both parents- if the results showed desception, we are talking an incredibly low chance that those results are false.

I'm not saying it should be used as the only evidence to convict them- but could certainly be used as part of the evidence against them. Remember- guilt is decided by courts of humans, based on things that may or may not be fact, as provided by witnesses who may also not be accurate- 97% is better than a lot of people get in court...

The people who provide a polygraph service are bound to claim a high rate otherwise no one would buy the service...

To force someone to have a polygraph would be a blatent intrusion on human rights as polygraph results are not evidence of proof as long as there is the remotest chance of it being wrong..

You cannot even force people to answer questions let alone take gimmicky lie detectot tests...

The ones conducted by professionals are not gimmicky and they don't make up the accuracy percentage. :rolleyes:

Also, as I said, I think it'd be perfectly acceptable. Look at how the court system works. Is that always 100% accurate? Are witnesses always 100% accurate? No. And it wouldn’t be the only evidence used, but part of the evidence used for/ against them.

When Louise Woodward was convicted of murdering that baby, she did a lie detector test, which confirmed she was telling the truth and, along with other evidence (or lack of), the charges were dropped and she was released. So it wasn’t the only evidence used for her case but it certainly strengthened it.

Now if the McCann’s had nothing to hide, you'd think they'd want to do one, especially considering there are two of them, so they could do two separate tests and the results would be even more accurate. I bet you anything, if they’d have been charged, like louse was of murder, they’d do one to try and clear their name.

In the Louise Woodward case the lie detector results were never allowed in court as evidence.....So made not a jot of difference to the outcome.

As for the rest I will just have to agree to disagree .....:thumbs:

[Matt10k]

Just suprised that with some people suspecting them, they wouldn't choose to go down that route.

[serensilver]

cctv fotage in belguim not maddie!! but kate and gerry will keep serching!

god bless maddie! :love:

[Nurse57]

What I don't get is, if I saw a girl i was 100% sure was her. I would do something about it. Call the police and follow them. What would you do?

[serensilver]

i agree if i saw her i wouldn't let her out of my sight i'd scream her name etc just to get more people around me and her more chance of getting her back! :cat:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Nurse57
What I don't get is, if I saw a girl i was 100% sure was her. I would do something about it. Call the police and follow them. What would you do?

Thats what I dont get..... The pictures that we have seen of Maddy before she was taken are crystal clear..... I would know if I saw her, especially with her tale tale eye.

[Sticks]

But you will see what you want to see, not what is there

[Nurse57]

"But you will see what you want to see, not what is there"

That is true, but if you wanted it to be her and thus you were convinced then would you not follow whilst on the phone to the police?

[cinderella]

Admin deleted spam.

[serensilver]

are there any developments regarding little maddie?

[arista]

Originally posted by serensilver
are there any developments regarding little maddie?



No None.

[laura942]

Originally posted by jackie46
I never for once suspected that they have anything to do with it but if theyre found guilt i personally be writing a letter along with millions of others to them.:thumbs:

i do strongly believe they are guilty they admitted to frequently sedating their children and to leaving them on their own which in its self is so very wrong and if they were not drs they would of like any body else faced charges of neglect

[MR.K!]

The thing is they should be charged with neglect anyway. Afterall they did abandon thier children in a foreign country to go to the pub!

[spongebob123]

hello just new here..

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[merijaan]

OK its Mc cann and her parents killed her our government covered it up shes dead so **** it its old news!

Her parents killed her!

She or her body will never be found and any BS sightings and BS new evidence or pedos is just that BS its all to make you think shes alive, if you think shes alive or some one else is the culprit then the parents are not guilty!

Its all mind games shes dead get over it!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by merijaan
OK its Mc cann and her parents killed her our government covered it up shes dead so **** it its old news!

Her parents killed her!

She or her body will never be found and any BS sightings and BS new evidence or pedos is just that BS its all to make you think shes alive, if you think shes alive or some one else is the culprit then the parents are not guilty!

Its all mind games shes dead get over it!

Hmmm what an insightful and well thought out post (itchy chin)

[merijaan]

Anotherwords your too stupid to realise the truth, you knwo when some one comes to your house and starts bad mouthing some one and you know they dont get on wil you believe every thing they say? no yes?

Well when the government tries to cover **** up, its the same! So see threw!

How many BS sighting have there been you tel me? Have they found her ? no? How many stupid accusations have there been? Have they convicted anyone? no?

Bit obvious!

[NettoSuperstar!]

LMAO oh thats given me a good laugh Merijaan! Scotland Yard will be quaking in their boots heheh!

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
But you will see what you want to see, not what is there


A perfect description of religous beliefs......

[Lewis.]

This is a case that I used to wake up every morning and hope that there was a good bit of news, a sighting or something, anything to get her back. I have strong opinions on this case and believe that If she was used in a Paedophile ring, it would be too risky. Her Kidnappers would not have done that. Her parents would have had to both be very sick and Ill to want to kill their own child, and it is quite obvious that they had nothing to do with it. One part of me believes she was Kidnapped and that she has most probably been killed. Another part of me believes that she was kidnapped and is still alive, maybe had a complete make-over and living in somewhere where the publicity of the story is not as high. I was looking on youtube and was examining some of these video's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT82-o1_qIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsX_AswRjf4&feature=related

[Sticks]

But look at the crime statistics, most murders happen with in the family.

[Lewis.]

I understand that, but the police would have known for definate by now. I mean the Dna in the car, yes the car was hired after Maddie was taken, but that doesn't mean to say that there was never any Dna on clothing, or her Teddy, that may have been in the car. Police have not found any Proof that Maddie may have been murdered by Kate and Gerry, that doesn't have a more likely coincidential cause

[Sticks]

The forty questions that Team McCann refused to answer?

[Lewis.]

At that point she had been told that there was blood in the room and that it was from Maddie. I think that if a child of mine had been taken, and I had been told that, just before answering questions that were obviously hinting that I took the child, I would not feel very happy to answer them. She could have lied when answering, like a criminal most probably would have done, but she had no idea about any of it, so she didn't answer it.

[Sticks]

Then there's the missing time, where no other adult saw Madeline alive.

The scent of death found by British Cadaver dogs

The Bible they found on a critical passage

[Lewis.]

I never ruled out the fact that Maddie is dead, and she may have even been killed right then, but I just think there is no way the Mccans could have done it and not been found out by now. THey are trying to promote the case every day, and really, because it has died down, if they had have killed her they would let it rest and know that they have probably gotten away with it. It just confuses me how people think they did it, when every day they try to promote the case even more

[Sticks]

Originally posted by LewisLeona
It just confuses me how people think they did it, when every day they try to promote the case even more

Diversionary tactics?

[Megatron]

its been so long now, she is dead

[checkthelabel]

great post guys thanks a lot
surendettement (http://dossierdesurendettement.org)

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by LewisLeona
It just confuses me how people think they did it, when every day they try to promote the case even more

Diversionary tactics?

Give it up Sticks, theres no credible eveidence pointing to them. The logistics of it just doesnt add up. All the evidence points to abduction

[merijaan]

Her parents kiled her the Government covered it up get over it.

All sightings are fake, body will probably never be found, maybe already burried or cremated!

Old news!

[TheOfficialAdam]

I actually agree ^ ^

[NettoSuperstar!]

LoL and why exactly did the government cover it up?

[Jayson]

Alas, she has to be dead by now, its been too long :sad:

Have the police called off the search yet?

[letmein]

Originally posted by LewisLeona
I never ruled out the fact that Maddie is dead, and she may have even been killed right then, but I just think there is no way the Mccans could have done it and not been found out by now.

Anyone who lives in America, will tell you that that has happened more times than a person can count. JonBenet Ramsey. Never solved. Parents did it -- trust me.

Parents are always the likely suspects in these types of cases, and I have no doubt that they did it.

[letmein]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Sticks
Originally posted by LewisLeona
It just confuses me how people think they did it, when every day they try to promote the case even more

Diversionary tactics?

Give it up Sticks, theres no credible eveidence pointing to them. The logistics of it just doesnt add up. All the evidence points to abduction

What planet do you live on again? Learn how to spell too.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by LewisLeona
I never ruled out the fact that Maddie is dead, and she may have even been killed right then, but I just think there is no way the Mccans could have done it and not been found out by now.

Anyone who lives in America, will tell you that that has happened more times than a person can count. JonBenet Ramsey. Never solved. Parents did it -- trust me.

Parents are always the likely suspects in these types of cases, and I have no doubt that they did it.

comparing those two cases is ridiculous! The benet Ramseys had time to dispose of a body. The Mcanns were on holiday with friends, they had no time to get rid of a body!

[Marc]

There going to reveal new suspects

[Ninastar]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by LewisLeona
I never ruled out the fact that Maddie is dead, and she may have even been killed right then, but I just think there is no way the Mccans could have done it and not been found out by now.

Anyone who lives in America, will tell you that that has happened more times than a person can count. JonBenet Ramsey. Never solved. Parents did it -- trust me.

Parents are always the likely suspects in these types of cases, and I have no doubt that they did it.

Strange. it would have been her birthday today. Such a shame really. i dont think her parents killed her.


edit:Omg just found this video. its so sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H_rjoZxuQM

[Lewis.]

They are looking for a Posh Lookalike now?

From Sky News:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Madeleine-McCann-Hunt-For-Victoria-Beckham-Lookalike-As-New-Suspect-Revealed-By-Police/Article/200908115355214?lpos=UK_News_Top_Stories_Header_0&lid=ARTICLE_15355214_Madeleine_McCann%3A_Hunt_For_ Victoria_Beckham_Lookalike_As_New_Suspect_Revealed _By_Police

[Ninastar]

why are they suspects?? have they found a clue or something? x

[Marc]

omg Victoria Beckham isn't going to be happy!!

[serensilver]

Aww i hope and pray they find her!

[Hedgie]

The same Posh that is gutted she never had a little girl? I think this is a fabrication on someones part.

[Benjamin]

What ever happened with this? Are they still looking for her?

[Niamh.]

I guess the trail is cold now, no more avenues to go down. Unfortunately I seriously doubt this one will ever be solved :(

[Angus]

There was an article last week about this where the McCanns were hoping to raise more money to keep on searching and keep the case in the public eye. I know if it was my child I would NEVER give up. I believe Ben Needham's mother is still searching for him after 19 years (he would be 21 now).

[billy123]

something didnt ring true at the time.
lex parsimoniae

[InOne]

Bored of this child.


Next...

[Shaun]

aw this thread. perfect evidence of Amy21's hysteria.

[Kerry]

There was an article last week about this where the McCanns were hoping to raise more money to keep on searching and keep the case in the public eye. I know if it was my child I would NEVER give up. I believe Ben Needham's mother is still searching for him after 19 years (he would be 21 now).

Ben and his Mum lived down the road from me at the time. I still feel a link so God knows what she goes through

[letmein]

Madeline Mccann is so 2 years ago!

She's dead. Her parents killed her.

Let's move on.

[InOne]

Madeline Mccann is so 2 years ago!

She's dead. Her parents killed her.

Let's move on.

So who you planning to kill next?

[Kerry]

Madeline Mccann is so 2 years ago!

She's dead. Her parents killed her.

Let's move on.

Have some respect

[InOne]

A white Middle Class Parents Child go missing. The country go mental, Maddie fever. What about the other children who go missing?

[Kerry]

A white Middle Class Parents Child go missing. The country go mental, Maddie fever. What about the other children who go missing?

Ben wasn't middle class. Very much working class. But I agree

[Patrick]

You people are sick :shocked: And that's coming from someone who spent the beginning of 2010 making Josef Fritzl jokes on this forum every hour of the day.

And Also, it's almost 4 years ago not 2 :shocked:

But LMFAO at InOne: 'Bored of this child, Next!' :joker:

[Angus]

Have some respect

Anyone who is a parent will understand what the McCanns are going through and to accuse them of murdering their daughter is unbelievably callous. Not one shred of hard evidence for such a wicked assertion has ever been produced, and the fact they are determined to keep the case in the public eye is testament to their innocence and determination to find their daughter.

[Scarlett.]

It's been over four years now, I think it's past the point that she will be found

[Kerry]

It's been over four years now, I think it's past the point that she will be found

They will never give up hope though. Never

[Scarlett.]

Aye, don't blame them, shame though as it will result in their other kids either being over protected or without enough attention

[billy123]

Damn just read this last page of this thread inone was pretty obnoxious wasnt he.
glad he doesnt post here anymore!
what happened to him anyway?

[Iceman]

Damn just read this last page of this thread inone was pretty obnoxious wasnt he.
glad he doesnt post here anymore!
what happened to him anyway?

He does post here still, he's allowed his own opinion.

IMO the parents never gave enough thought to their kids, calling them parents is a bit of a stretch for me. Leaving your Kids unattende at anytime is crazy, let alone in another country

[Zippy]

what happened to him anyway?

I think I read something about him getting tired of posting on a forum of youngsters...or something like that. I vaguely recall.

on topic..

I don't know what to think of the McCanns. Their lack of emotion make them very hard to read. Logically Im inclined to think they did kill her...probably by accident. But then I start thinking there would be evidence of this. Then again, there's no evidence of a kidnap either so....Im confused, still.

whatever, I think they will have suffered greatly either way. Even accepting they killed her by accident that is a horrible thing to have to live with; the guilt, the loss. Possibly even harder than if she'd been kidnapped.

[Scarlett.]

It was a silly thing to do, but they didn't deserve this

[Kerry]

Dunno what I think now. Not sure I ever did. But it's pretty stupid if they knew she was dead/killed her to drag every single medical, official and media source across the globe into things if they had done something.

Either way. It's sad

Like the story of Ben Needham. It alls come back to me



And yes, InOne still posts. He's just moved into his own place so might not be arsed with this place. I can't blame him......

[Zippy]

Dunno what I think now. Not sure I ever did. But it's pretty stupid if they knew she was dead/killed her to drag every single medical, official and media source across the globe into things if they had done something.

but they are highly intelligent people. If they are gonna go with a story they have to play it out to the full and look like theyre doing everything to get her back even if they know she's dead.

If your child was taken like that would you ever give up looking? well they have to always look as if theyre still searching.

[Locke.]

She will turn up in a few years when she is in her teens.. How old is she now (if she is still alive)?

[Kerry]

but they are highly intelligent people. If they are gonna go with a story they have to play it out to the full and look like theyre doing everything to get her back even if they know she's dead.

If your child was taken like that would you ever give up looking? well they have to always look as if theyre still searching.

Oh give up. It's just another child that has vanished abroad and could have easily have been played as such. But no - they chose to go global. Have you any idea how many children do vanish without a trace and without the media?

[Scarlett.]

She will turn up in a few years when she is in her teens.. How old is she now (if she is still alive)?

Eight next month

[Zippy]

She will turn up in a few years when she is in her teens.. How old is she now (if she is still alive)?

I seriously doubt that. Firstly, it would be extremely difficult for somebody to have smuggled her out of the country without any trace. And if she is still in Portugal she would have to be hidden away completely or else her face and English accent would be easily spotted. She hardly looks local.

she's almost certainly dead.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

InOne still posts he was on earlier today :joker:

[billy123]

he's allowed his own opinion.

Must have missed the bit where anybody suggested otherwise :conf:

If you bother reading the thread i agree with him but in a less obnoxious manner.

comments like "Bored of this child. Next" are obnoxious things to say.

[Patrick]

You people are sick :shocked: And that's coming from someone who spent the beginning of 2010 making Josef Fritzl jokes on this forum every hour of the day.

And Also, it's almost 4 years ago not 2 :shocked:

But LMFAO at InOne: 'Bored of this child, Next!' :joker:

I don't remember writing this. http://oi56.tinypic.com/23ubh3b.jpg

[Angus]

They will never give up hope though. Never

I can't imagine ever giving up on wanting to know what happened to a missing child - surely even to discover hard evidence that she is now dead would bring some sort of closure to this family, and allow them to grieve.

[letmein]

So, when do the parents go to prison for killing their kid?

[Niamh.]

So, when do the parents go to prison for killing their kid?

I'm sure if there was any evidence of that, they would already be in prison.

[Kerry]

Breaking News - Kate and Gerry write to the Prime Minister asking for " independant, transparent and comprehensive review " of their daughters disappearence

Sky News

[InOne]

They should accept she is dead and move on really. They're not only hurting themselves but the other kids too. Their whole life revolved around the hope that Maddie might be found, not much of a life

[Kerry]

They should accept she is dead and move on really. They're not only hurting themselves but the other kids too. Their whole life revolved around the hope that Maddie might be found, not much of a life

Speaking as a parent, no matter what, they'll need closure

[InOne]

Speaking as a parent, no matter what, they'll need closure

Yeah but it's not fair on the other kids

[Kerry]

Yeah but it's not fair on the other kids

Nope. Maddy will be on a pedestal for ever now, you're right. But ugh.... no easy answer :(

[InOne]

Nope. Maddy will be on a pedestal for ever now, you're right. But ugh.... no easy answer :(

But because they're middle class people we have to feel sorry for them and support them? Hmmmmmm nah. They ****ed up, they have enough money to get a decent PI or whatever they want. We all know who Maddie is, bleeding iris and all. They need to get on with it and stop writing books

[Kerry]

But because they're middle class people we have to feel sorry for them and support them? Hmmmmmm nah. They ****ed up, they have enough money to get a decent PI or whatever they want. We all know who Maddie is, bleeding iris and all. They need to get on with it and stop writing books

I agree with the middle class stuff (to a degree - I doubt murderers/kidnappers check class) and as for the books, well it does leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Again though I will compare the case to Ben Needhams. Kerry (his mother) is still searching to this day. I knew the family. They lived down the road from me and honestly, you couldn't get more working class if you tried. A Mums a Mum and you want your babby. He's now in his 20's

[Angus]

Middle class, upper class, working class? What difference does that make to the loss of a child? Parents have had a child taken from them, and they have no idea whether she is alive or dead, if she is suffering or suffered - class doesn't come into it, they need answers and closure. If Maddie's mum wants to write a book as a cathartic exercise and to answer the vicious rumours and innuendoes that have been bandied about by all and sundry, then good for her. If it keeps her daughter's case in the public eye, for good or bad reasons, it can only help.

I'm as working class as they come, but I don't get where all this inverted class snobbery comes from. Ben Needham's mum and Maddie's mum share a bond no-one else can possibly imagine unless it has happened to them - they have both lost children, but hope keeps them both going. I wouldn't presume to be so judgmental about the situations they find themselves in, and some of the callous comments on this forum are despicable.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

And the world has to stop for this girl why? Plenty of other missing children out there, wheres their press attention?

Shes dead get over it, with all the publicity "our little princess" gets you think shw would off been found now.

4 years ago, more intresting things happening in the world; war and poltices

[joeysteele]

But because they're middle class people we have to feel sorry for them and support them? Hmmmmmm nah. They ****ed up, they have enough money to get a decent PI or whatever they want. We all know who Maddie is, bleeding iris and all. They need to get on with it and stop writing books

I agree with you InOne, I think as I've said before there is a very unsavoury smell to this case, but I find their actions as Parents when they took the kids to Portugal then leaving them ALONE in the room to go out socially, not for a short time but likely for the evening rather odd.
My parents would never have done that with me,one would have gone and the other stayed.
Also why not at least pay a babysitter or use the minding services of the hotel.

I agree if I am digging too deep here they are likely torturing themselves as to why they didn't take more care, but would any reponsible parent/s leave their child/clildren alone in a room where they were out of sight of them at night for to go socialising.that's the question I cannot get my head around,especially even more so in a Foreign Country.

[InOne]

Middle class, upper class, working class? What difference does that make to the loss of a child? Parents have had a child taken from them, and they have no idea whether she is alive or dead, if she is suffering or suffered - class doesn't come into it, they need answers and closure. If Maddie's mum wants to write a book as a cathartic exercise and to answer the vicious rumours and innuendoes that have been bandied about by all and sundry, then good for her. If it keeps her daughter's case in the public eye, for good or bad reasons, it can only help.

I'm as working class as they come, but I don't get where all this inverted class snobbery comes from. Ben Needham's mum and Maddie's mum share a bond no-one else can possibly imagine unless it has happened to them - they have both lost children, but hope keeps them both going. I wouldn't presume to be so judgmental about the situations they find themselves in, and some of the callous comments on this forum are despicable.

Yes but my point was by doing all that she is neglecting her other kids. They might end up growing up to resent the parents.

[Marsh.]

And the world has to stop for this girl why? Plenty of other missing children out there, wheres their press attention?

Shes dead get over it, with all the publicity "our little princess" gets you think shw would off been found now.

4 years ago, more intresting things happening in the world; war and poltices


Well obviously Kate and Gerry are fighting for the press attention, not just accepting that the police "can't do anything else".

[joeysteele]

Yes but my point was by doing all that she is neglecting her other kids. They might end up growing up to resent the parents.

I agree again, they can't be oblivious to the fact that Madeline is not there but their Parents are still channeling most of their energy towards Madeline.

While that may be understandable to a degree, it must be having a knock on effect to the other Children.
I keep coming back to it though, being as attentive as they seem to be for detail, its surprising they didn't make sure all the t's were crossed and i's dotted as to Madelines and the other Childrens safety in a Foreign Country before they went out to socialise only, not go out for necessity.

[Scarlett.]

I see the PM is giving the case the special attention again...

[Kerry]

They've fecked it if they rely on Cameron. On no wait, they have money, they'll be his first priority

[Beastie]

Yeah but it's not fair on the other kids

It's not fair on the other kids but I think the kids will understand when they are older.. that their older sister went missing :( and then they will miss them too. Of course.. not as much as the mum and dad.

I don't think the twins will remember what happened on the night because they were only 2 years old.

[Patrick]

It's not fair on the other kids but I think the kids will understand when they are older.. that their older sister went missing :( and then they will miss them too. Of course.. not as much as the mum and dad.

I don't think the twins will remember what happened on the night because they were only 2 years old.

They might - some people can remember dramatic/violent things from a younger age.
I can remember seeing my Mum stabbing my Dad when I was trying to watch Teletubbies;

Personally I can't wait until the day one of them spots a picture of Maddie in a shopping centre window and shouts 'OMG MUMMY THERE'S THAT GIRL YOU CUT UP ON HOLIDAYS! :amazed:'

The awkward silence will be gold.

[Marsh.]

They've fecked it if they rely on Cameron. On no wait, they have money, they'll be his first priority

This.

[Beastie]

They might - some people can remember dramatic/violent things from a younger age.
I can remember seeing my Mum stabbing my Dad when I was trying to watch Teletubbies;

Personally I can't wait until the day one of them spots a picture of Maddie in a shopping centre window and shouts 'OMG MUMMY THERE'S THAT GIRL YOU CUT UP ON HOLIDAYS! :amazed:'

The awkward silence will be gold.

Possibly. I think the twins should be involved. If they were fast asleep they probably won't remember anything.

Oh god Patrick you are scaring me now. I am surprised at the number of people who think the parents did it. I am on the fence really.. thinking of any conspiracy theory whatsoever!!

[tonilkk2010]

I agree with you InOne, I think as I've said before there is a very unsavoury smell to this case, but I find their actions as Parents when they took the kids to Portugal then leaving them ALONE in the room to go out socially, not for a short time but likely for the evening rather odd.
My parents would never have done that with me,one would have gone and the other stayed.
Also why not at least pay a babysitter or use the minding services of the hotel.

I agree if I am digging too deep here they are likely torturing themselves as to why they didn't take more care, but would any reponsible parent/s leave their child/clildren alone in a room where they were out of sight of them at night for to go socialising.that's the question I cannot get my head around,especially even more so in a Foreign Country.

listen yea they did make big mistake leaving um but i got little girl only 1 an a son whose a baby an my heart goes out to them because imagine what pain and torment theyre going through an how there feeling and am sure if that was my daughter id not stop looking because that what parents do no matter what not because they feel guilty just because she there daughter an they love her that much they want her home so just give um a break i mean no parent has go through it an kids can Be found years later it has happened an i hope they find her an y don't all those who blame the parents start blaming the man who took her no 1 told em to take a child out her bed he did that an you cant blame them for that.

[InOne]

I agree again, they can't be oblivious to the fact that Madeline is not there but their Parents are still channeling most of their energy towards Madeline.

While that may be understandable to a degree, it must be having a knock on effect to the other Children.
I keep coming back to it though, being as attentive as they seem to be for detail, its surprising they didn't make sure all the t's were crossed and i's dotted as to Madelines and the other Childrens safety in a Foreign Country before they went out to socialise only, not go out for necessity.

That is the thing, not in a million years did they expect something like that to happen

[Vicky.]

listen yea they did make big mistake leaving um but i got little girl only 1 an a son whose a baby an my heart goes out to them because imagine what pain and torment theyre going through an how there feeling and am sure if that was my daughter id not stop looking because that what parents do no matter what not because they feel guilty just because she there daughter an they love her that much they want her home so just give um a break i mean no parent has go through it an kids can Be found years later it has happened an i hope they find her an y don't all those who blame the parents start blaming the man who took her no 1 told em to take a child out her bed he did that an you cant blame them for that.

Well...most people who blame the parents...think there was no 'man who took her' ;)

[Kerry]

listen yea they did make big mistake leaving um but i got little girl only 1 an a son whose a baby an my heart goes out to them because imagine what pain and torment theyre going through an how there feeling and am sure if that was my daughter id not stop looking because that what parents do no matter what not because they feel guilty just because she there daughter an they love her that much they want her home so just give um a break i mean no parent has go through it an kids can Be found years later it has happened an i hope they find her an y don't all those who blame the parents start blaming the man who took her no 1 told em to take a child out her bed he did that an you cant blame them for that.

Pardon?

[Jords]

If shes alive, she'll here about it 1 day when shes older, and either recall memories/notice her similarity, and try to get back home. Thats her only hope I believe.

[Kerry]

If shes alive, she'll here about it 1 day when shes older, and either recall memories/notice her similarity, and try to get back home. Thats her only hope I believe.

At that age she'll remember very little :(

[Vicky.]

At that age she'll remember very little :(

I dunno...how old was she when she was 'abducted'?

I remember a lot of things from when I was 3...onwards as if they were yesterday. However, half the time I cant remember what happened yesterday :D

[Jords]

At that age she'll remember very little :(

Its a really big thing though - the last time she ever saw her parents, she'll remember it, Im sure.

[InOne]

I think when the whole thing blew up she will have been killed then. Too risky to try move her about n that

[Kerry]

I dunno...how old was she when she was 'abducted'?

I remember a lot of things from when I was 3...onwards as if they were yesterday. However, half the time I cant remember what happened yesterday :D

3 I think. Nearing 4. It's her 8th birthday (or was yesterday) and they keep saying she has been gone 4 years, so......


I rarely remember yesterday either yet can remember phone numbers and stuff from years ago :conf: :joker:

[Kerry]

Its a really big thing though - the last time she ever saw her parents, she'll remember it, Im sure.

Depends if she's been brainwashed :/

Ugh, I dunno what to think. I doubt she's alive but I also doubt that had it been the parents they'd still be drawing attention to it

[Vicky.]

I think when the whole thing blew up she will have been killed then. Too risky to try move her about n that

Yeah I think this too. IF she was actually abducted, Which I will never be convinced on sadly :/
3 I think. Nearing 4. It's her 8th birthday (or was yesterday) and they keep saying she has been gone 4 years, so......


I rarely remember yesterday either yet can remember phone numbers and stuff from years ago :conf: :joker:

Haha yeah, I still remember my first mobile number from when I was 11. Our house phone number before it got changed when I was 8. Yet I dont know my current mobile/house number.

[Vicky.]

Depends if she's been brainwashed :/

Ugh, I dunno what to think. I doubt she's alive but I also doubt that had it been the parents they'd still be drawing attention to it

They need to draw attention back to it so kate can sell her books ;)

[Kerry]

Haha yeah, I still remember my first mobile number from when I was 11. Our house phone number before it got changed when I was 8. Yet I dont know my current mobile/house number.

Yay, there are other nutters out there...... :laugh:

[Kerry]

They need to draw attention back to it so kate can sell her books ;)

Still risky though if she's a murderer? Infact, even moreso?

[Vicky.]

Still risky though if she's a murderer? Infact, even moreso?

I wouldnt say 'murderer' though I guess it would have been murder...I'm convinced it was an accidental death.

And they have got away with it for so long, whats the chances of being caught now (either the parents OR the person who did it)

[Beastie]

You know that Kate was made a suspect on her own.. Was Gerry ever made a suspect on his own?

[Zippy]

I can remember seeing my Mum stabbing my Dad when I was trying to watch Teletubbies;



this explains a lot

suddenly I want to hug you without actually suppressing your breathing ability

[Kerry]

I wouldnt say 'murderer' though I guess it would have been murder...I'm convinced it was an accidental death.

And they have got away with it for so long, whats the chances of being caught now (either the parents OR the person who did it)

Doing a book then could be her downfall if so. Whats that saying.... "Give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves"

[Beastie]

She could have been accidently killed. She could have been dumped in the sea. They could have put a massive heavy weight on her or something so that her body would never float back to shore??

Also you know that there was blood in the apartment/car.. who's blood was it?

[Kerry]

She could have been accidently killed. She could have been dumped in the sea. They could have put a massive heavy weight on her or something so that her body would never float back to shore??

Also you know that there was blood in the apartment/car.. who's blood was it?

Can't recall much of the case now but know it was a rental car so could have been anyones

[Vicky.]

Doing a book then could be her downfall if so. Whats that saying.... "Give someone enough rope and they'll hang themselves"
Hmm never thought of that. Could be interesting :)

/wasnt going to buy but probably will now. Good marketing ploy :p

[Zippy]

Im sympathetic to them either way for the simple fact that I don't think they intentionally killed her. At worst they killed her by accident and then panicked. Once they made the choice to concoct a story I think they were bound to it because otherwise they would look even worse for lying.

That said, Im still 50/50 about their guilt. Truth is there just isnt enough substantial evidence either way. And the McCanns are quite controlled and unemotional as people so I don't think it endears people to them. But doesn't mean theyre guilty.

[Beastie]

Thing is.. if I accidently killed my child. I wouldn't want to be in the spotlight like Gerry and Kate are. I would want to be left alone and carry out my devastation of "losing my child" indoors away from the media. I couldn't keep up with lieing like the Mccann's are doing now. They must be good liars?? I don't know....


*I would fess up if I accidently killed my child though.. but if I had to lie.. like I said.. I would be away from the spotlight*

[Shaun]

To be honest I don't think there's ever been anything more to the "her parents killed her" rumours other than wild allegations about how supposedly unfazed and cold they appear. I don't think maintaining privacy and dignity is something we should criticise them for, let alone use against them in a wild (and essentially horrific) conspiracy theory.

[Vicky.]

Hardly a 'wild conspiracy theory' when theres no evidence either way...