Should Gay Couples Be Allowed To Adopt?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

There are plenty normal people out there to adopt kids.

"normal" you've no right to inflict your view on normal on the rest of society

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
...an opinion based on ignorance and prejudice

Prejudiced? Maybe
Ignorant? I think not

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

There are plenty normal people out there to adopt kids.

"normal" you've no right to inflict your view on normal on the rest of society

It is my right to 'inflict' my view on anything.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

There are plenty normal people out there to adopt kids.

Normal.
Noraml isn't a word in todays society, everyone is different.
Secondly, if straight people can adopt tell me one reason why gay people can't?
I just think your ignorant.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

There are plenty normal people out there to adopt kids.

Normal.
Noraml isn't a word in todays society, everyone is different.
Secondly, if straight people can adopt tell me one reason why gay people can't?
I just think your ignorant.

I'm not ignorant

[Tom]

What defines 'normal'?

Gay people may be born with a different brain structure. Is that not normal? If it isn't why isn't it?

08marsh get yourself out of the 1950's and look at things in perspective. Loads of kids out there who need adopting. If I was in care I actually wouldn't mind if I went to straight family, gay family whatever, surely anything is better than being in some kind of system and feeling like you're on your own?

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

There are plenty normal people out there to adopt kids.

Normal.
Noraml isn't a word in todays society, everyone is different.
Secondly, if straight people can adopt tell me one reason why gay people can't?
I just think your ignorant.

I'm not ignorant

Yes you are, moron.
You said "normal people"
You're the definition of ignorant, and the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

There are plenty normal people out there to adopt kids.

Normal.
Noraml isn't a word in todays society, everyone is different.
Secondly, if straight people can adopt tell me one reason why gay people can't?
I just think your ignorant.

I'm not ignorant

You are, our ignoring that there are other people, other than yourself.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Tom
Loads of kids out there who need adopting. If I was in care I actually wouldn't mind if I went to straight family, gay family whatever, surely anything is better than being in some kind of system and feeling like you're on your own?

That was my point. Whats more suffering a gay couple adopting you or a life in care.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

There are plenty normal people out there to adopt kids.

Normal.
Noraml isn't a word in todays society, everyone is different.
Secondly, if straight people can adopt tell me one reason why gay people can't?
I just think your ignorant.

I'm not ignorant

You are, our ignoring that there are other people, other than yourself.

I'm not ignoring them!

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

There are plenty normal people out there to adopt kids.

Normal.
Noraml isn't a word in todays society, everyone is different.
Secondly, if straight people can adopt tell me one reason why gay people can't?
I just think your ignorant.

I'm not ignorant

Yes you are, moron.
You said "normal people"
You're the definition of ignorant, and the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't go that far, but I see your frustration.

[Tom]

Originally posted by 08marsh

I'm not ignoring them!

Thats just showing you're ignorant ... you don't even know there is a meaning beyond not acknowledging people!!

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

There are plenty normal people out there to adopt kids.

Normal.
Noraml isn't a word in todays society, everyone is different.
Secondly, if straight people can adopt tell me one reason why gay people can't?
I just think your ignorant.

I'm not ignorant

You are, our ignoring that there are other people, other than yourself.

I'm not ignoring them!

So what is your problem then?!

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh

I'm not ignoring them!

Thats just showing you're ignorant ... you don't even know there is a meaning beyond not acknowledging people!!

I do acknowledge them, i said i don't agree with the way they live their lives.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

So now are you saying that Gay Or Bisexual [Or Just People That Don't Fit Into A Desciption Of You], they should be killed.

[Tom]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh

I'm not ignoring them!

Thats just showing you're ignorant ... you don't even know there is a meaning beyond not acknowledging people!!

I do acknowledge them, i said i don't agree with the way they live their lives.

Ignorant also means oblivious to facts, thoughts and feelings. Oblivious to what they do, why they do it etc.

How can you not agree with the way they live their lives? Does it affect you personally? Does it have a bearing on anyone else? Can you not see beyond the title of 'gay'?

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh

I'm not ignoring them!

Thats just showing you're ignorant ... you don't even know there is a meaning beyond not acknowledging people!!

I do acknowledge them, i said i don't agree with the way they live their lives.

But you don't acknowledge that its not a way of life its a sexuality.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

So now are you saying that Gay Or Bisexual [Or Just People That Don't Fit Into A Desciption Of You], they should be killed.

No, i don't mean that.
It was just a retaliation on DamonJ's comment

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh

I'm not ignoring them!

Thats just showing you're ignorant ... you don't even know there is a meaning beyond not acknowledging people!!

I do acknowledge them, i said i don't agree with the way they live their lives.

Ignorant also means oblivious to facts, thoughts and feelings. Oblivious to what they do, why they do it etc.

How can you not agree with the way they live their lives? Does it affect you personally? Does it have a bearing on anyone else? Can you not see beyond the title of 'gay'?

Yes, i can see beyond the title of gay. I never said it affected me personally (if it did i would hate them, as such i don't) I said i don't agree with it (the way they live, their sexuality)

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

So now are you saying that Gay Or Bisexual [Or Just People That Don't Fit Into A Desciption Of You], they should be killed.

No, i don't mean that.
It was just a retaliation on DamonJ's comment

Well it seems that way.

[pinkmichk]

there is no such thing as normal tell me what normal is? surely it would be better a child go a to gay couple who will love and care for the child over a straight couple who dont

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

So now are you saying that Gay Or Bisexual [Or Just People That Don't Fit Into A Desciption Of You], they should be killed.

No, i don't mean that.
It was just a retaliation on DamonJ's comment

Well it seems that way.

How does it seem that way?
I said i don't agree with them, i don't wish them dead

[30stone]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

So now are you saying that Gay Or Bisexual [Or Just People That Don't Fit Into A Desciption Of You], they should be killed.

No, i don't mean that.
It was just a retaliation on DamonJ's comment

Well it seems that way.

Thats unfair it was used both ways.

He obviously doesn't mean all gay / biseuxal people should be killed.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
there is no such thing as normal tell me what normal is? surely it would be better a child go a to gay couple who will love and care for the child over a straight couple who dont

ok, maybe my 'normal' comment was uncalled for.

[bronaaaa]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
there is no such thing as normal tell me what normal is? surely it would be better a child go a to gay couple who will love and care for the child over a straight couple who dont

:thumbs:
Exactly

[Tom]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh

I'm not ignoring them!

Thats just showing you're ignorant ... you don't even know there is a meaning beyond not acknowledging people!!

I do acknowledge them, i said i don't agree with the way they live their lives.

Ignorant also means oblivious to facts, thoughts and feelings. Oblivious to what they do, why they do it etc.

How can you not agree with the way they live their lives? Does it affect you personally? Does it have a bearing on anyone else? Can you not see beyond the title of 'gay'?

Yes, i can see beyond the title of gay. I never said it affected me personally (if it did i would hate them, as such i don't) I said i don't agree with it (the way they live, their sexuality)

Well if it doesn't affect you why are you so bothered?

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

Without people like you, the world wouldn't be as ignorant, snobby, discriminative & thick. You are the most ignorant person I have talked to recently, saying gay people are not "normal" You are a disgusting excuse for a human and I hope you get your comeuppance very soon, you twit. :nono:

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Robin-Van-Perfect
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

So now are you saying that Gay Or Bisexual [Or Just People That Don't Fit Into A Desciption Of You], they should be killed.

No, i don't mean that.
It was just a retaliation on DamonJ's comment

Well it seems that way.

Thats unfair it was used both ways.

He obviously doesn't mean all gay / biseuxal people should be killed.

I said to DamonJ, I wouldn't go that far. I did say something to DamonJ to.

[GhettoSuperstar]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Originally posted by 08marsh
How old are you? You sound very immature. Basic facts? this is an opinions thread. Are you familiar with the term? Just because i don't think gays should be allowed to adopt.
Not everyone has the same opinions as you you know.

Everyone can have an opinion, but disagreeing with something so strongly without a reason... thats immature.
Maybe you should drop the degree and pick up some useful people skills...

Can you not read all of a sudden?
I gave my reasons in an earlier post. So, read before butting in ok.
I don't think homosexuality is right full stop.
Which is why i'm against gay marriages as well as adoption.

Not gay? No say.

That's like saying you can't have your opinion on abortion because it has **** all to do with you.

I can have an opinion on whatever I like but when it comes to the action of changing things when it has nothing to do with me then who am I to say what to do and what not to do. Same with small minded straight people on gay rights.

I'm not telling gay people what not and what to do.
I'm simply giving my opinion on it

And I'm not saying you do.
BUT, when people are creating decisions e.g. politics deciding if gay adoption should be allowed or not and then a bunch of straight individuals make their decision and opinions known to influence a choice, I think it is fooooking bizarre.

It's as stupid as men deciding if females are allowed to be in the army, etc.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh

I'm not ignoring them!

Thats just showing you're ignorant ... you don't even know there is a meaning beyond not acknowledging people!!

I do acknowledge them, i said i don't agree with the way they live their lives.

Ignorant also means oblivious to facts, thoughts and feelings. Oblivious to what they do, why they do it etc.

How can you not agree with the way they live their lives? Does it affect you personally? Does it have a bearing on anyone else? Can you not see beyond the title of 'gay'?

Yes, i can see beyond the title of gay. I never said it affected me personally (if it did i would hate them, as such i don't) I said i don't agree with it (the way they live, their sexuality)

Well if it doesn't affect you why are you so bothered?

I was giving my opinion on the subject of this thread.
My opinion attracted members' angry replies, which is why it has spiralled.
Like i said i don't have any overly strong feelings towards it of hate or anything.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

Without people like you, the world wouldn't be as ignorant, snobby, discriminative & thick. You are the most ignorant person I have talked to recently, saying gay people are not "normal" You are a disgusting excuse for a human and I hope you get your comeuppance very soon, you twit. :nono:

Talking to someone about discrimination and snobbery the way you just did is a bit hypocritical

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

Without people like you, the world wouldn't be as ignorant, snobby, discriminative & thick. You are the most ignorant person I have talked to recently, saying gay people are not "normal" You are a disgusting excuse for a human and I hope you get your comeuppance very soon, you twit. :nono:

Talking to someone about discrimination and snobbery the way you just did is a bit hypocritical

Oh sorry, did I discriminate against ignorant ****faces in my previous post? I'm ever so sorry, I won't do it again.

[Jake!]

Damon ignore it some people never learn.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

Without people like you, the world wouldn't be as ignorant, snobby, discriminative & thick. You are the most ignorant person I have talked to recently, saying gay people are not "normal" You are a disgusting excuse for a human and I hope you get your comeuppance very soon, you twit. :nono:

Talking to someone about discrimination and snobbery the way you just did is a bit hypocritical

Oh sorry, did I discriminate against ignorant ****faces in my previous post? I'm ever so sorry, I won't do it again.

Whether i am for or against homosexuality....
you are a low life. You say i'm ignorant?
You're ignorant to the opinions of others. It seems you would have a nervous breakdown if someone would disagree with you.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Damon ignore it some people never learn.

Learn? Excuse me, who do you think you are?

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

Without people like you, the world wouldn't be as ignorant, snobby, discriminative & thick. You are the most ignorant person I have talked to recently, saying gay people are not "normal" You are a disgusting excuse for a human and I hope you get your comeuppance very soon, you twit. :nono:

Talking to someone about discrimination and snobbery the way you just did is a bit hypocritical

Oh sorry, did I discriminate against ignorant ****faces in my previous post? I'm ever so sorry, I won't do it again.

Whether i am for or against homosexuality....
you are a low life. You say i'm ignorant?
You're ignorant to the opinions of others. It seems you would have a nervous breakdown if someone would disagree with you.

Oh no, I'm open against your opinions on homosexuality, but the way you PROCLAIMED AS A FACT that gay people are not normal makes me sick, you are scum & I am glad I never have to cross paths with you because you are an ignorant little shite. :mad:

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Damon ignore it some people never learn.

Learn? Excuse me, who do you think you are?

Can't you read his username? :rolleyes: Asswipe.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Damon ignore it some people never learn.

Learn? Excuse me, who do you think you are?

I think I'm Jake, well infact I know that and I think your a waste of space because you don't LEARN that not everyone is like you. :wink:

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
the world would be a lot better if people like you were killed at birth. :rolleyes:

My opinion on you to be honest.

Without people like you, the world wouldn't be as ignorant, snobby, discriminative & thick. You are the most ignorant person I have talked to recently, saying gay people are not "normal" You are a disgusting excuse for a human and I hope you get your comeuppance very soon, you twit. :nono:

Talking to someone about discrimination and snobbery the way you just did is a bit hypocritical

Oh sorry, did I discriminate against ignorant ****faces in my previous post? I'm ever so sorry, I won't do it again.

Whether i am for or against homosexuality....
you are a low life. You say i'm ignorant?
You're ignorant to the opinions of others. It seems you would have a nervous breakdown if someone would disagree with you.

How many people are low lifes to you? Maybe your the only low life.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Damon ignore it some people never learn.

Learn? Excuse me, who do you think you are?

I think I'm Jake, well infact I know that and I think your a waste of space because you don't LEARN that not everyone is like you. :wink:

It's because you can't LEARN that not everyone agrees with you that you're such an ass

[arista]

Jake has said he does not Hate gays,
so why still pick on him?

[Jake!]

Originally posted by arista
Jake has said he does not Hate gays,
so why still pick on him?

I don't hate gays, because I'm bi.
Pick on me, bring it on. You'll only lose.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by arista
Jake has said he does not Hate gays,
so why still pick on him?

I don't hate gays, because I'm bi.
Pick on me, bring it on. You'll only lose.

HAI JAKE ILY.
Lets be as homosexual as we can to revolt 08marsh.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by arista
Jake has said he does not Hate gays,
so why still pick on him?

I don't hate gays, because I'm bi.
Pick on me, bring it on. You'll only lose.

HAI JAKE ILY.
Lets be as homosexual as we can to revolt 08marsh.

Ok. :wink:
Anyway I never said I hated gays, I thinkhe has the wrong member. arista do you mean 08Marsh?

[DamonJ]

UMG, did I say as homosexual as we can? I meant "abnormal" :rolleyes:

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
Jake has said he does not Hate gays,
so why still pick on him?

I was the one that said i don't hate gays
And by the way DamonJ, since when did i say they disgust me

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
UMG, did I say as homosexual as we can? I meant "abnormal" :rolleyes:

Yeah we can be 'monsters [or whatever else 08marsh meant by is comments about normal]' together.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by arista
Jake has said he does not Hate gays,
so why still pick on him?

I was the one that said i don't hate gays
And by the way DamonJ, since when did i say they disgust me

Well DUH, we're abnormal, s0o0o00 we must be disgusting right?! I mean, we're A B N O R M A L, EWWWW!

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
UMG, did I say as homosexual as we can? I meant "abnormal" :rolleyes:

Whether you're straight, gay, bi or asexual you are a moron

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
UMG, did I say as homosexual as we can? I meant "abnormal" :rolleyes:

Yeah we can be 'monsters [or whatever else 08marsh meant by is comments about normal]' together.

OMG it can be like Monsters Inc.
"Monsters Inc.; This Time Its QUEER"

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
UMG, did I say as homosexual as we can? I meant "abnormal" :rolleyes:

Yeah we can be 'monsters [or whatever else 08marsh meant by is comments about normal]' together.

OMG it can be like Monsters Inc.
"Monsters Inc.; This Time Its QUEER"

Oh yeah baby.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
UMG, did I say as homosexual as we can? I meant "abnormal" :rolleyes:

Yeah we can be 'monsters [or whatever else 08marsh meant by is comments about normal]' together.

I already apologised for the 'normal' comment.
(or are you and DamonJ going to continue to live up to the name 'Drama Queen')

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
UMG, did I say as homosexual as we can? I meant "abnormal" :rolleyes:

Whether you're straight, gay, bi or asexual you are a moron

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

There are plenty normal people out there to adopt kids.

I'm sorry, but who's a moron? Apologies for the confusion.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
UMG, did I say as homosexual as we can? I meant "abnormal" :rolleyes:

Yeah we can be 'monsters [or whatever else 08marsh meant by is comments about normal]' together.

I already apologised for the 'normal' comment.
(or are you and DamonJ going to continue to live up to the name 'Drama Queen')

Just because you said it was "uncalled" for doesn't erase the fact that it was your opinion in the first place, idiot.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
UMG, did I say as homosexual as we can? I meant "abnormal" :rolleyes:

Yeah we can be 'monsters [or whatever else 08marsh meant by is comments about normal]' together.

OMG it can be like Monsters Inc.
"Monsters Inc.; This Time Its QUEER"

You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

[Tom]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh

I'm not ignoring them!

Thats just showing you're ignorant ... you don't even know there is a meaning beyond not acknowledging people!!

I do acknowledge them, i said i don't agree with the way they live their lives.

Ignorant also means oblivious to facts, thoughts and feelings. Oblivious to what they do, why they do it etc.

How can you not agree with the way they live their lives? Does it affect you personally? Does it have a bearing on anyone else? Can you not see beyond the title of 'gay'?

Yes, i can see beyond the title of gay. I never said it affected me personally (if it did i would hate them, as such i don't) I said i don't agree with it (the way they live, their sexuality)

Well if it doesn't affect you why are you so bothered?

I was giving my opinion on the subject of this thread.
My opinion attracted members' angry replies, which is why it has spiralled.
Like i said i don't have any overly strong feelings towards it of hate or anything.

Well if your feelings aren't that strong then why can't gay people adopt?

If you were up for adoption would you rather live in a childrens home and have that stigma attached to you, feel lonely etc or would you rather be adopted by a gay family and live a normal life just like everyone else?

And I know its your views, I'm just challenging your views, hence debate.

But your views just don't add up. OK you don't have to approve of their lifestyle, I can see that, but why does that mean they can't adopt? If you don't have strong feelings then why shouldn't they be allowed to?

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
UMG, did I say as homosexual as we can? I meant "abnormal" :rolleyes:

Yeah we can be 'monsters [or whatever else 08marsh meant by is comments about normal]' together.

I already apologised for the 'normal' comment.
(or are you and DamonJ going to continue to live up to the name 'Drama Queen')

Well I wasn't but now you put the idea in my head. :whistle::tongue:

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
UMG, did I say as homosexual as we can? I meant "abnormal" :rolleyes:

Yeah we can be 'monsters [or whatever else 08marsh meant by is comments about normal]' together.

I already apologised for the 'normal' comment.
(or are you and DamonJ going to continue to live up to the name 'Drama Queen')

Just because you said it was "uncalled" for doesn't erase the fact that it was your opinion in the first place, idiot.

It was not my opinion on homosexuals.
I was just replying to a post about finding trustworthy decent people to adopt (either straight or gay)

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Tom
and live a normal life just like everyone else?


That's like, the thing though Tom, gays are SO abnormal, c'mon now.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Tom
and live a normal life just like everyone else?


That's like, the thing though Tom, gays are SO abnormal, c'mon now.

I now, I should be sent away to live in a bi-sexual club. :dazzler:

[Marsh.]

DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Tom
and live a normal life just like everyone else?


That's like, the thing though Tom, gays are SO abnormal, c'mon now.

I now, I should be sent away to live in a bi-sexual club. :dazzler:

Well dun worry Jakey, I'm only down the road in the Fags Camp. I come visit you? :kiss:

[Tom]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Tom
and live a normal life just like everyone else?


That's like, the thing though Tom, gays are SO abnormal, c'mon now.

complete freaks, the lot of them :tongue:

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

[Tom]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

Coming out is he? :joker:

The only people who tend to have problems with gays these days (it rhymes :tongue:) are the ones stuck in the closet

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Tom
and live a normal life just like everyone else?


That's like, the thing though Tom, gays are SO abnormal, c'mon now.

I now, I should be sent away to live in a bi-sexual club. :dazzler:

Well dun worry Jakey, I'm only down the road in the Fags Camp. I come visit you? :kiss:

Actually second thoughts I'll try and get out a couple of nights a week and see you, I'll just avoid the bullets coz we're such freaks.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

Coming out is he? :joker:

The only people who tend to have problems with gays these days (it rhymes :tongue:) are the ones stuck in the closet

LOL. Really?

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.
Don't let the sterotypes get ya.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Tom
and live a normal life just like everyone else?


That's like, the thing though Tom, gays are SO abnormal, c'mon now.

I now, I should be sent away to live in a bi-sexual club. :dazzler:

Well dun worry Jakey, I'm only down the road in the Fags Camp. I come visit you? :kiss:

Actually second thoughts I'll try and get out a couple of nights a week and see you, I'll just avoid the bullets coz we're such freaks.

LMFAO

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

Its official now. Shame he won't know what that means.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

And to add insult to injury IT'S a Britney fan. Aaaahhhhh!!

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by Tom
and live a normal life just like everyone else?


That's like, the thing though Tom, gays are SO abnormal, c'mon now.

I now, I should be sent away to live in a bi-sexual club. :dazzler:

Well dun worry Jakey, I'm only down the road in the Fags Camp. I come visit you? :kiss:

Actually second thoughts I'll try and get out a couple of nights a week and see you, I'll just avoid the bullets coz we're such freaks.

LMFAO

I managed to miss em but 08Marsh is on his regular patrol, I can't get back till dawn.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

And to add insult to injury IT'S a Britney fan. Aaaahhhhh!!

Theres plenty of straight people that like Britney.

[Benjamin]

Guys please lets not turn this into a bitch fight that gets this thread locked.


I'm finding this thread interesting to read.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

And to add insult to injury IT'S a Britney fan. Aaaahhhhh!!

Oh right, so gay people are classified as 'IT''s now!? You ignorant ****ing moron.

And Jake, just act hetrosexual, put a football shirt on, get a can of lager and smoke a cigarette and you'll be fine :hug:

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

And to add insult to injury IT'S a Britney fan. Aaaahhhhh!!

Oh right, so gay people are classified as 'IT''s now!? You ignorant ****ing moron.

And Jake, just act homosexual, put a football shirt on, get a can of lager and smoke a cigarette and you'll be fine :hug:

That's right, take what i post and turn it into a 'O8marsh hates gays' campaign.
I HATE you, not gays. Get the message, FREAK!

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

And to add insult to injury IT'S a Britney fan. Aaaahhhhh!!

Theres plenty of straight people that like Britney.

It wasn't an insult to homosexuals. I'm not gay bashing
I am referring to DamonJ and Britney.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

And to add insult to injury IT'S a Britney fan. Aaaahhhhh!!

Oh right, so gay people are classified as 'IT''s now!? You ignorant ****ing moron.

And Jake, just act homosexual, put a football shirt on, get a can of lager and smoke a cigarette and you'll be fine :hug:

That's right, take what i post and turn it into a 'O8marsh hates gays' campaign.
I HATE you, not gays. Get the message, FREAK!

Well I hate you too buddy, and you're homophobic ass. If you ever get really ill, you HAVE to send me a letter so I can some see you on you're deathbed. Then I'd giggle, like the abnormal homosexual I am. :hug:

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

And to add insult to injury IT'S a Britney fan. Aaaahhhhh!!

Oh right, so gay people are classified as 'IT''s now!? You ignorant ****ing moron.

And Jake, just act hetrosexual, put a football shirt on, get a can of lager and smoke a cigarette and you'll be fine :hug:

I like lager, I smoke. Its should be a doddle...

[Benjamin]

Guys please lets not turn this into a bitch fight that gets this thread locked.


I'm finding this thread interesting to read.





:love::love::love:

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

And to add insult to injury IT'S a Britney fan. Aaaahhhhh!!

Theres plenty of straight people that like Britney.

It wasn't an insult to homosexuals. I'm not gay bashing
I am referring to DamonJ and Britney.

Listen ifyour problem is just with DamonJ then why not just U2U him, a serious debate is going on here.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Guys please lets not turn this into a bitch fight that gets this thread locked.


I'm finding this thread interesting to read.





:love::love::love:

It developed into a bitch fight ages ago, when he classified gays as abnormal.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

And to add insult to injury IT'S a Britney fan. Aaaahhhhh!!

Oh right, so gay people are classified as 'IT''s now!? You ignorant ****ing moron.

And Jake, just act homosexual, put a football shirt on, get a can of lager and smoke a cigarette and you'll be fine :hug:

That's right, take what i post and turn it into a 'O8marsh hates gays' campaign.
I HATE you, not gays. Get the message, FREAK!

Well I hate you too buddy, and you're homophobic ass. If you ever get really ill, you HAVE to send me a letter so I can some see you on you're deathbed. Then I'd giggle, like the abnormal homosexual I am. :hug:

We can laugh together. LOL

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
DamonJ You are more immature than i initially thought.
I had respect for your replies to my opinions because you were sticking up for yourself. Now, i see you're just a child.
Bye bye

I heard you first time, prick.
Dun let the gay door hit you on the way out.

That's new. You actually listened (or read, whatever)

IKR, Gays can read too you know? omg.

That may be so, but you personally are a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Or a few tassles short of a dress.

No I'm not, I can actually acknowledge that EVERYONE is normal, unlike you, the phantom ****** that OFFICIALLY is 08marsh. YAY.

And to add insult to injury IT'S a Britney fan. Aaaahhhhh!!

Theres plenty of straight people that like Britney.

It wasn't an insult to homosexuals. I'm not gay bashing
I am referring to DamonJ and Britney.

Listen ifyour problem is just with DamonJ then why not just U2U him, a serious debate is going on here.

No, i'm reply to everyone else's posts which are aimed at me including your own.
But, the Britney post was aimed at DamonJ.He's the one who keeps taking everything i post and making out i'm slagging off all homosexuals.
I was also debating and sharing opinions before DamonJ interrupted with his immature outbursts.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!

We can laugh together. LOL

What was it you just said abut getting back to the thread subject?

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by ukturtle
Guys please lets not turn this into a bitch fight that gets this thread locked.


I'm finding this thread interesting to read.





:love::love::love:

It developed into a bitch fight ages ago, when he classified gays as abnormal.

I've already explained myself on that score, if you can't get over it that's your problem.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by ukturtle
Guys please lets not turn this into a bitch fight that gets this thread locked.


I'm finding this thread interesting to read.





:love::love::love:

It developed into a bitch fight ages ago, when he classified gays as abnormal.

I've already explained myself on that score, if you can't get over it that's your problem.

Why SHOULD I get over it?! You classified us as "not normal" you ****tard. Just because you said it was slightly uncalled for does not make it correct.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by ukturtle
Guys please lets not turn this into a bitch fight that gets this thread locked.


I'm finding this thread interesting to read.





:love::love::love:

It developed into a bitch fight ages ago, when he classified gays as abnormal.

I've already explained myself on that score, if you can't get over it that's your problem.

Why SHOULD I get over it?! You classified us as "not normal" you ****tard. Just because you said it was slightly uncalled for does not make it correct.

You shouldn't get over it, especially since he's offended you.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by ukturtle
Guys please lets not turn this into a bitch fight that gets this thread locked.


I'm finding this thread interesting to read.





:love::love::love:

It developed into a bitch fight ages ago, when he classified gays as abnormal.

I've already explained myself on that score, if you can't get over it that's your problem.

Why SHOULD I get over it?! You classified us as "not normal" you ****tard. Just because you said it was slightly uncalled for does not make it correct.

I never said it was 'slightly' uncalled for. I said it was taken out of context (ie, the post about finding decent people, whoever they are, to adopt)
If you want to take everything that i post and make out that i'm gay bashing, it shows how self conscious you are.

[MarkWaldorf]

Who the **** just brought Britney into this argument?
Markus like a puma rawr

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Markus
Who the **** just brought Britney into this argument?
Markus like a puma rawr

I made a comment about not liking Britney and DamonJ made out i was slagging off gays.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Markus
Who the **** just brought Britney into this argument?
Markus like a puma rawr

08Marsh. Stupid ain't it?

[MarkWaldorf]

Oh fair enough.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by Markus
Who the **** just brought Britney into this argument?
Markus like a puma rawr

08Marsh. Stupid ain't it?

It is stupid when it's turned into an unintentional homophobic comment

[ange7]

08marsh ...wake up. Your getting all this grief from everyone because you think you can hold all these anti gay positions yet not be a gay hater. That's rubbish.

That's like Hitler saying he's not anti semitic and doesn't have a personal problem with Jews but would just like them all exterminated. Mate what your arguing, ie the positions you have, comes from hate. You can't say you don't hate gays when you argue that they ought not have the same opportunities to live a full and happy life as you do. Not sure why you keep complaining about being called a homophobe. Sorry ... it fits.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by ange7
08marsh ...wake up. Your getting all this grief from everyone because you think you can hold all these anti gay positions yet not be a gay hater. That's rubbish.

That's like Hitler saying he's not anti semitic and doesn't have a personal problem with Jews but would just like them all exterminated. Mate what your arguing, ie the positions you have, comes from hate. You can't say you don't hate gays when you argue that they ought not have the same opportunities to live a full and happy life as you do. Not sure why you keep complaining about being called a homophobe. Sorry ... it fits.

Talk about overreation! Anyway...:rolleyes:

I never said 'I hate gays buts lets have them exterminated'
I said i don't agree with homosexuality full stop. Just because i don't think it's right doesn't mean i want them all to die, hate them all. I accept they are still people.

I've already settled my argument with the other posters via u2u. So go away with your pathetic, over the top Hitler comparison.

[NettoSuperstar!]

why dont you agree with it?

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
why dont you agree with it?

Don't get me wrong i'm all for individuality and everyone being unique. But i just don't think (like a lot of people do) that it is natural, to me it's wrong. I don't have anything against homosexuals as i've said a million times and people can come up with a million reasons and counter arguments against mine but those are my thoughts.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well I still dont really understand why you think its wrong or why gay people shouldnt have equal rights (ie being able to adopt)

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Well I still dont really understand why you think its wrong or why gay people shouldnt have equal rights (ie being able to adopt)

I don't think it is natural like a lot of people make out it is.
If they want children then they should follow natural means (ie. Man and woman) to have a baby.

[letmein]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Well I still dont really understand why you think its wrong or why gay people shouldnt have equal rights (ie being able to adopt)

I don't think it is natural like a lot of people make out it is.
If they want children then they should follow natural means (ie. Man and woman) to have a baby. They're gay, honey. They're not going to have sex with a woman. There are millions of children in orphanages. This isn't a fairy tale and there are gay couples who are a million times better than straight couples being parents.

[Fom]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
why dont you agree with it?

Don't get me wrong i'm all for individuality and everyone being unique. But i just don't think (like a lot of people do) that it is natural, to me it's wrong. I don't have anything against homosexuals as i've said a million times and people can come up with a million reasons and counter arguments against mine but those are my thoughts.

What would you rather... to live your life in an orphanage, never having parents, never having a family and never having a comfortable home. Or to have all of that but they are the same sex, you will adapt to them kissing, you won't see them having sex, and the walls aren't going to be painted with Gay pride flags. The only thing that would make this wrong is if the child is somehow homophobic, which won't happen because they are young and will just be happy someone loves them.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Fom
you will adapt to them kissing, you won't see them having sex, and the walls aren't going to be painted with Gay pride flags.

This isn't the issue. Like i said i'm not narrow minded into thinking all gays are overly camp, cross dressers with squeaky voices. It's not the issue that i think the child will watch them have sex (of course they won't). I am just against homosexuality in all its forms. As said above i don't think the sexuality is natural.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by letmein
They're gay, honey. They're not going to have sex with a woman. [/quote]


Erm, obviously. I am saying that in choosing homosexuality, they have given up their ability to conceive. (Don't feed me crap about being born gay) If they can't have children it's their choice for being homosexual.

[Fom]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by letmein
They're gay, honey. They're not going to have sex with a woman.


Erm, obviously. I am saying that in choosing homosexuality, they have given up their ability to conceive. (Don't feed me c**p about being born gay) If they can't have children it's their choice for being homosexual. [/quote]

You don't choose to be homosexual. It isn't a lifestyle choice.

[Annie]

Children deserve to be loved. I would rather see a gay couple (male or female) raise a happy child than see a fighting hetrosexual couple and an unhappy child.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Fom


You don't choose to be homosexual.

Sure.
(You definately aren't 'born gay'.)

[Tom]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Fom


You don't choose to be homosexual.

Sure.
(You definately aren't 'born gay'.)

Gay brains are different to straight brains. They have different metabolisms and different structures. How do you explain those?

[arista]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Fom


You don't choose to be homosexual.

Sure.
(You definately aren't 'born gay'.)


Marsh talk sense.


You know about X and Y


You are "born"
Straight
or
Gay
or
BiSexual



Everyone knows that

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Fom


You don't choose to be homosexual.

Sure.
(You definately aren't 'born gay'.)

Gay brains are different to straight brains. They have different metabolisms and different structures. How do you explain those?

I will say it is possiby to do with surroundings growing up or when you're a small child.
And yes Tom i will explain those 'facts' you just stated;
Excuses and bullshit.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Fom


You don't choose to be homosexual.

Sure.
(You definately aren't 'born gay'.)


Marsh talk sense.


You know about X and Y


You are "born"
Straight
or
Gay
or
BiSexual



Everyone knows that

I can't understand whether you're taking the piss or are actually serious but either way...

:joker::joker::joker:

[arista]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Fom


You don't choose to be homosexual.

Sure.
(You definately aren't 'born gay'.)


Marsh talk sense.


You know about X and Y


You are "born"
Straight
or
Gay
or
BiSexual



Everyone knows that

I can't understand whether you're taking the p**s or are actually serious but either way...

:joker::joker::joker:



I am deadly Serious

Do you live in a Church or something odd?


In school you learn about the X and Y.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Fom


You don't choose to be homosexual.

Sure.
(You definately aren't 'born gay'.)


Marsh talk sense.


You know about X and Y


You are "born"
Straight
or
Gay
or
BiSexual



Everyone knows that

I can't understand whether you're taking the p**s or are actually serious but either way...

:joker::joker::joker:



I am deadly Serious

Do you live in a Church or something odd?


In school you learn about the X and Y.

X and Y chromosomes are male and female.
It determines your sex not SEXUALITY. So don't try and lecture me.

[arista]

But you Lack Proper Education in this.


Are you in a Church?



Marsh you are a good Poster
but Fom was bang on right
You are born Gay.
That is a Fact.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
But you Lack Proper Education in this.


Are you in a Church?



Marsh you are a good Poster
but Fom was bang on right
You are born Gay.
That is a Fact.

Excuse me. Lack proper education?
I don't know what kind of a school you went to but i was taught that the X and Y chromosomes determined a baby's sex (as in whether it's a boy or a girl).
There is absolutely no proven fact that you are born gay or whether it is genetic.

[arista]

Yes
you can cross cells.

You Get a Gay

or

A BiSexual.



That is a Fact
Most know about this.



Fom is Clever.



Marsh are you Bi Sexual
is that the issue here?

[Jake!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by arista
But you Lack Proper Education in this.


Are you in a Church?



Marsh you are a good Poster
but Fom was bang on right
You are born Gay.
That is a Fact.

Excuse me. Lack proper education?
I don't know what kind of a school you went to but i was taught that the X and Y chromosomes determined a baby's sex (as in whether it's a boy or a girl).
There is absolutely no proven fact that you are born gay or whether it is genetic.

While you are right you weren't told the full extend, the Y chromosome produces testosterone [Excuse spelling], it might be enough to produce a baby boy but it doesn't mean its enough to make them manly or boystrous.

But also in your favor enviroment CAN give you inherited factor but as strongly as genes.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by arista
But you Lack Proper Education in this.


Are you in a Church?



Marsh you are a good Poster
but Fom was bang on right
You are born Gay.
That is a Fact.

Excuse me. Lack proper education?
I don't know what kind of a school you went to but i was taught that the X and Y chromosomes determined a baby's sex (as in whether it's a boy or a girl).
There is absolutely no proven fact that you are born gay or whether it is genetic.

While you are right you weren't told the full extend, the Y chromosome produces testosterone [Excuse spelling], it might be enough to produce a baby boy but it doesn't mean its enough to make them manly or boystrous.

But also in your favor enviroment CAN give you inherited factor but as strongly as genes.

And?
Just because some aren't as manly or boystrous, that doesn't make them fancy cock.
Now, you're the one being stereotypical. There are plenty non camp manly gay people.

[Tom]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Fom


You don't choose to be homosexual.

Sure.
(You definately aren't 'born gay'.)

Gay brains are different to straight brains. They have different metabolisms and different structures. How do you explain those?

I will say it is possiby to do with surroundings growing up or when you're a small child.
And yes Tom i will explain those 'facts' you just stated;
Excuses and bullshit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7456588.stm

Have a read of that. I was all for the upbringing side of the debate until that study

[NettoSuperstar!]

Marsh yet again shows his ignorance! We've already had this debate. Being Gay us NOT a choice!

[arista]

Marsh is Young
much to learn, soon I hope.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by Fom


You don't choose to be homosexual.

Sure.
(You definately aren't 'born gay'.)

Gay brains are different to straight brains. They have different metabolisms and different structures. How do you explain those?

I will say it is possiby to do with surroundings growing up or when you're a small child.
And yes Tom i will explain those 'facts' you just stated;
Excuses and bullshit.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7456588.stm

Have a read of that. I was all for the upbringing side of the debate until that study

good one Tom...See what a difference a bit of research makes eh Marsh?

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Marsh yet again shows his ignorance! We've already had this debate. Being Gay us NOT a choice!

'Ignorance'? You're getting boring now.

'We've already had this debate'?
Just because you've had enough, it doesn't end the discussion. Get over yourself.

'Being gay is not a choice'? Whatever.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
Marsh is Young
much to learn, soon I hope.

Young? What's that got to do with anything? (I'm 20)
I thought we cleared this up. We have differing opinions on the 'nature versus choice' debate.
The X and Y chromosomes causing homosexuality is clearly NON FACT. So, please go away and learn that before lecturing other people on it like they are something you've just scraped off your shoe.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
good one Tom...See what a difference a bit of research makes eh Marsh?

A bit of research?
Yes, a bit of research would tell you that that theory is NOT FACT and NOT PROVEN.
So, get your own facts before making your statements.

[arista]

My shoes are fine.


No one is Lecturing you
this is a Forum.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
My shoes are fine.


No one is Lecturing you
this is a Forum.

Well, don't patronise me with your age statements.
Responding to my threads by telling me to go away and 'learn'. I have no problems with my education.

You bang on about the X and Y and different brain structures to be cold hard fact and they're not.

[DamonJ]

This thread is old.
LMAO
I love Rusty Lee

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
This thread is old.
LMAO
I love Rusty Lee

'And the most random post of the week...'

[Shaun]

08marsh, I'm bisexual and I certainly didn't choose to be. On the contrary, I almost wish I wasn't the way I am. Try explaining that.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Marsh yet again shows his ignorance! We've already had this debate. Being Gay us NOT a choice!

'Ignorance'? You're getting boring now.

'We've already had this debate'?
Just because you've had enough, it doesn't end the discussion. Get over yourself.

'Being gay is not a choice'? Whatever.


But it isn't a choice. So you Choose to be straight and not fancy the same sex? I highly doubt that.

You have a lot to learn about people and the world in which we live. But it's narrow minded people like you who make people feel belittled and small.

I myself am gay, I haven't chosen to be (believe it or not I didn't just wake up one morning and think 'Oh today I'm going to be Gay!'. I would love to be 'normal', have kids etc, but after a while I just accepted that I am gay and nothing will change that. and I can still have kids eiher through sarrogate or through adoption.

Regardless of my sexuality I'd make a damn good father, and would make sure the child had everything they need for a good life (money, education, love, support). Which in my mind makes me more than suitable for adopting children.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
good one Tom...See what a difference a bit of research makes eh Marsh?

A bit of research?
Yes, a bit of research would tell you that that theory is NOT FACT and NOT PROVEN.
So, get your own facts before making your statements.

A lot more evidence to suggest it is though! ....than a CHOICE. Wheres your evidence? oh it comes from your prejudice and ignorance...Marsh says its Bullshit, must be then

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
good one Tom...See what a difference a bit of research makes eh Marsh?

A bit of research?
Yes, a bit of research would tell you that that theory is NOT FACT and NOT PROVEN.
So, get your own facts before making your statements.

Marsh says its Bullshit, must be then

A bunch of gays have a hissy fit and say something is FACT when it doesn't take much to know that it isn't.
Bullshit!

[arista]

Hissy Fit
is best on Big Brother in any Nation.

[arista]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Marsh yet again shows his ignorance! We've already had this debate. Being Gay us NOT a choice!

'Ignorance'? You're getting boring now.

'We've already had this debate'?
Just because you've had enough, it doesn't end the discussion. Get over yourself.

'Being gay is not a choice'? Whatever.


But it isn't a choice. So you Choose to be straight and not fancy the same sex? I highly doubt that.

You have a lot to learn about people and the world in which we live. But it's narrow minded people like you who make people feel belittled and small.

I myself am gay, I haven't chosen to be (believe it or not I didn't just wake up one morning and think 'Oh today I'm going to be Gay!'. I would love to be 'normal', have kids etc, but after a while I just accepted that I am gay and nothing will change that. and I can still have kids eiher through sarrogate or through adoption.

Regardless of my sexuality I'd make a damn good father, and would make sure the child had everything they need for a good life (money, education, love, support). Which in my mind makes me more than suitable for adopting children.


Great Points UKTurtle.

[Tom]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
good one Tom...See what a difference a bit of research makes eh Marsh?

A bit of research?
Yes, a bit of research would tell you that that theory is NOT FACT and NOT PROVEN.
So, get your own facts before making your statements.

You do realise that almost everything we take for a fact is just a theory?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
good one Tom...See what a difference a bit of research makes eh Marsh?

A bit of research?
Yes, a bit of research would tell you that that theory is NOT FACT and NOT PROVEN.
So, get your own facts before making your statements.

Marsh says its Bullshit, must be then

A bunch of gays have a hissy fit and say something is FACT when it doesn't take much to know that it isn't.
Bullshit!

Your showin your homophobia again!...and again your evidence against the argument is?...

[letmein]

Gays don't choose to be gay, but morons choose to be morons.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
good one Tom...See what a difference a bit of research makes eh Marsh?

A bit of research?
Yes, a bit of research would tell you that that theory is NOT FACT and NOT PROVEN.
So, get your own facts before making your statements.

You do realise that almost everything we take for a fact is just a theory?

True, like the idea of Atoms and Particles, thats all theory, we haven't got 100% proof that they exist because we can't see them. We just assume they are there, because everything leads that way but nothing is fact until it is 100% proven.

[arista]

Originally posted by letmein
Gays don't choose to be gay, but morons choose to be morons.



Best Worded Post of the Month on TIBB
Award goes to letmein



http://blog.scenestealer.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/awards.jpg

[Axiom]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
good one Tom...See what a difference a bit of research makes eh Marsh?

A bit of research?
Yes, a bit of research would tell you that that theory is NOT FACT and NOT PROVEN.
So, get your own facts before making your statements.

You do realise that almost everything we take for a fact is just a theory?

True, like the idea of Atoms and Particles, thats all theory, we haven't got 100% proof that they exist because we can't see them. We just assume they are there, because everything leads that way but nothing is fact until it is 100% proven.

Erm...yes you can see atoms and particles, hence why they are proven to exist.

[NettoSuperstar!]

ahhh but is it all.... Just An Illusion...ooooh ooooh oooh ahhhhhh

[letmein]

A theory in science is something that is proven. It's absolute.

"Theory" in the English language is not the same meaning as "theory" in science.

[Tom]

Originally posted by letmein
A theory in science is something that is proven. It's absolute.

"Theory" in the English language is not the same meaning as "theory" in science.

Do you mean scientific "facts" such as how many planets there are in the solar system and that Pluto is a planet? Science can be wrong.

[ange7]

"You do realise that almost everything we take for a fact is just a theory? "
"True, like the idea of Atoms and Particles, thats all theory, we haven't got 100% proof that they exist"

mahahahaha... this is AWARD WINNING b@ll@cks!

blind leading the blind .... why don't the pair of you go test the "theory" of gravity. hehe

[Tom]

... and you're showing your selective reading yet again.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
... and you're showing your selective reading yet again.
rubbish... what's this "selective" b@ll@cks?...either you said it or you didn't. If you trying to imply I've quoted you out of context ( more rubbish) then why don't you put it into context for me. You keep trash talking every "theory" as "just a theory"... it's funny given you haven't bothered trying to get your head around any of them.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
A theory in science is something that is proven. It's absolute.

"Theory" in the English language is not the same meaning as "theory" in science.

Do you mean scientific "facts" such as how many planets there are in the solar system and that Pluto is a planet? Science can be wrong.

There's not a "theory" about how many planets are in the solar system.

What educational level have you completed yet?

[NettoSuperstar!]

I think we can safely say there are some facts eh! lol...its the whys and wherefores that are debateable! Unless we're living in the Matrix that is heheh..... ooooooooerrr

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
... and you're showing your selective reading yet again.
rubbish... what's this "selective" b@ll@cks?...either you said it or you didn't. If you trying to imply I've quoted you out of context ( more rubbish) then why don't you put it into context for me. You keep trash talking every "theory" as "just a theory"... it's funny given you haven't bothered trying to get your head around any of them.

Selective reading- reading what you want to see.

Clearly in the post (that you even copied and pasted into yours!!) I said "You do realise that almost everything we take for a fact is just a theory?". The key word is almost which you obviously missed out and exchanged for "every" if you brought up the thing about gravity.

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
A theory in science is something that is proven. It's absolute.

"Theory" in the English language is not the same meaning as "theory" in science.

Do you mean scientific "facts" such as how many planets there are in the solar system and that Pluto is a planet? Science can be wrong.

There's not a "theory" about how many planets are in the solar system.

What educational level have you completed yet?

Yes it is a scientific theory. What subject did you learn about space in, English? Everything about the solar system and the universe (outside of this world) is all just a theory, hence words like "approximately" are always used because they don't actually know. And the fact they're always arguing over certain planets whether they are a planet or a moon says it all really. Shows that science isn't always right.

[letmein]

TOM: YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A "SCIENTIFIC THEORY" IS!

It is not a hypothesis. A "theory" in English, and a "scientific theory" are two different things. A "hypothesis" in science, a "theory", the type of "theory" you are referring to, is referred to as "theoretical". A "scientific theory" is not "theoretical".

There is no "theory" about planets, (ie, Theory of Gravity). What you are referring to is, "theoretical", something that is deemed a hypothesis, because it has not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt by science, and can continue to change and evolve as new discoveries are made.

Honestly, how old are you? You seriously are bringing down the British educational system. That is, of course, if you are indeed British.

I can't dumb this down any more in the attempt to help you understand.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well I think Tom does have a point to a certain extent...we're just getting lost in semantics... A theory is made up of assumptions and arguments. What makes it scientific is that the "theory" has been tried and tested- providing evidence that lends support to certain observable phenomena such as goings on in the solar system, atoms, particles etc! (cant be called guesses)And although there are observable truths...the theories as to whats going on with em cant always be proven as the ultimate truth as such, any theory is falsifiable....I think thats what Tom was trying to say...but thats just my "Theory" lol....I'll just add atoms and particles are not a "Theory" they are observable facts.

P.S. Dya get meh?

[ange7]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Well I think Tom does have a point to a certain extent...we're just getting lost in semantics... A theory is made up of assumptions and arguments. What makes it scientific is that the "theory" has been tried and tested- providing evidence that lends support to certain observable phenomena such as goings on in the solar system, atoms, particles etc! (cant be called guesses)And although there are observable truths...the theories as to whats going on with em cant always be proven as the ultimate truth as such, any theory is falsifiable....I think thats what Tom was trying to say...but thats just my "Theory" lol....I'll just add atoms and particles are not a "Theory" they are observable facts.

P.S. Dya get meh?
hehe nah
Tom has a distrust of science and logic... maybe he had a teacher that took the p*ss out of him in front of the class or something but the stuff he comes out with are regularly off the hook. If you try to reign him in with logic he was to fall back positions...#1..."no that's just a theory!!" ...and #2 he turn his threads into a a battle of attrition with endless replys and claims of victimisation.

[Tom]

Thats exactly what I'm trying to say and I thought other people might have been intelligent enough to work that out

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Well I think Tom does have a point to a certain extent...we're just getting lost in semantics... A theory is made up of assumptions and arguments. What makes it scientific is that the "theory" has been tried and tested- providing evidence that lends support to certain observable phenomena such as goings on in the solar system, atoms, particles etc! (cant be called guesses)And although there are observable truths...the theories as to whats going on with em cant always be proven as the ultimate truth as such, any theory is falsifiable....I think thats what Tom was trying to say...but thats just my "Theory" lol....I'll just add atoms and particles are not a "Theory" they are observable facts.

P.S. Dya get meh?
hehe nah
Tom has a distrust of science and logic... maybe he had a teacher that took the p*ss out of him in front of the class or something but the stuff he comes out with are regularly off the hook. If you try to reign him in with logic he was to fall back positions...#1..."no that's just a theory!!" ...and #2 he turn his threads into a a battle of attrition with endless replys and claims of victimisation.

Where have I said I have a distrust of science and logic? You just take things and imply them to fit exactly what you want them to mean.

Nice to see you've turned into a shrink now as well.

[Fom]

The term theoretical
The term theoretical is sometimes informally used in lieu of hypothetical to describe a result that is predicted by theory but has not yet been adequately tested by observation or experiment. It is not uncommon for a theory to produce predictions that are later confirmed or proven incorrect by experiment. By inference, a prediction proved incorrect by experiment demonstrates the hypothesis is invalid. This either means the theory is incorrect, or the experimental conjecture was wrong and the theory did not predict the hypothesis.

I think this is where Tom is going... if Theory and Theoretical are 2 different things then I am sure he can be mistaken for that mistake as I didn't know that.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Thats exactly what I'm trying to say and I thought other people might have been intelligent enough to work that out

yeh but when you say things like its all guesswork lol! Any scientific hypothesis becomes a theory when its been tested and there is overwhelming evidence in support of it

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Well I think Tom does have a point to a certain extent...we're just getting lost in semantics... A theory is made up of assumptions and arguments. What makes it scientific is that the "theory" has been tried and tested- providing evidence that lends support to certain observable phenomena such as goings on in the solar system, atoms, particles etc! (cant be called guesses)And although there are observable truths...the theories as to whats going on with em cant always be proven as the ultimate truth as such, any theory is falsifiable....I think thats what Tom was trying to say...but thats just my "Theory" lol....I'll just add atoms and particles are not a "Theory" they are observable facts.

P.S. Dya get meh?
hehe nah
Tom has a distrust of science and logic... maybe he had a teacher that took the p*ss out of him in front of the class or something but the stuff he comes out with are regularly off the hook. If you try to reign him in with logic he was to fall back positions...#1..."no that's just a theory!!" ...and #2 he turn his threads into a a battle of attrition with endless replys and claims of victimisation.

Where have I said I have a distrust of science and logic? You just take things and imply them to fit exactly what you want them to mean.

Nice to see you've turned into a shrink now as well.
It's clear by the way you trash talk theories you've no clue about. If you disagree with a point bring an argument...all you ever do is say "it's just a theory". The only time YOU can say that is when you do some work and try disproving those theories. Keep going round in circles mate. zzzzz

[Tom]

Yeah you'd know all about trash talking theories that you've no clue about.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
Yeah you'd know all about trash talking theories that you've no clue about.
???!! what? ... do you understand english? your doing the trash talking .....it's not a TYPE of theory. ffs .... I'll get the sock puppets out and explain it shall I? hehe

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
Yeah you'd know all about trash talking theories that you've no clue about.
???!! what? ... do you understand english? your doing the trash talking .....it's not a TYPE of theory. ffs .... I'll get the sock puppets out and explain it shall I? hehe

Basically, you talk a lot of crap (I know pot, kettle, black springs to mind but the difference is I can admit it) and sometimes you argue and have no idea what you're on about.

[NettoSuperstar!]

When?

[ange7]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
When?
this is what he does netto ...battle of attrition ...he keeps talking till the other person gets sick of him and then he thinks he's the "WINNER". He'll go on for hours... he's in a loop.

[Tom]

And you follow me around in circles :pat::whistle:

[30stone]

Who cares anymore.

:shrug:

This thread is half on the subject it started half not.

[Benjamin]

anyways after the rant and off the subject comments, what are people's opinions on this? Since we have a lot of new members it would be interesting to hear what they have to say about gay adoption.

[arista]

Originally posted by letmein
Gays don't choose to be gay, but morons choose to be morons.



This is one of the best words on this Manic thread.

[Fangz]

Yes, gay people should be allowed to adopt. My family fosters children who are in care for various reasons, and while I think fostering is a good thing in the short term, I have seen what being moved from foster-home to foster-home over several years does to children's psyche.

Most people who adopt want a child under two, with the same colour skin as them and with no disabilities, the other less "perfect" children are left trapped in the system until they get old enough to be booted out with no parents and no support to fall back on.

Anything that even slightly increases the number of suitable parents willing to take on the more challenging kids and give them a stable environment and better chance at life is wonderful.

People say "what about the kids having to deal with gay parents", well what about the kids who are institutionalized in children's homes, or get shifted to a new foster-family every few months/years?

These kids need stability, love and understanding, and will happily take it from gay people, bi people, transgendered people, because when you've been through what a lot of them have been through, those things are not important.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by Fangz
Yes, gay people should be allowed to adopt. My family fosters children who are in care for various reasons, and while I think fostering is a good thing in the short term, I have seen what being moved from foster-home to foster-home over several years does to children's psyche.

Most people who adopt want a child under two, with the same colour skin as them and with no disabilities, the other less "perfect" children are left trapped in the system until they get old enough to be booted out with no parents and no support to fall back on.

Anything that even slightly increases the number of suitable parents willing to take on the more challenging kids and give them a stable environment and better chance at life is wonderful.

People say "what about the kids having to deal with gay parents", well what about the kids who are institutionalized in children's homes, or get shifted to a new foster-family every few months/years?

These kids need stability, love and understanding, and will happily take it from gay people, bi people, transgendered people, because when you've been through what a lot of them have been through, those things are not important.


:thumbs:

[Patrick]

No it would be so awkward for the poor kid

[Princess]

Originally posted by pmccaff2009
No it would be so awkward for the poor kid

Yeah but so are a lot of other things. I think it's unfair that a pair of absolutely crap parents could have kids just because they can because they're a man and woman. And a couple who could be amazing parents simply can't because of biology and that some people are hung up about the kid not getting the best upbringing. Which is utter ****.

Every kid has awkward things,having a weird name,wearing the wrong clothes or whatever. Having parents who love you who happen to be the same sex wouldn't be any difference.

[BBUK4LYFE]

I don't think they should be the first choice.

I think a child should grow up with both a father and a mother figure.

If you can't find a heterosexual couple for the child, then the gay couples come in.

EDIT: If anyone finds what I said, to be offensive. I couldn't careless. Thats what I truly believe. I've noticed that people get attacked for their opinions on here at an extremely high rate.

[Lewis.]

I think that they should be allowed, but as BBUK4LYFE said, Hetrosexual couples should get priority. Thre are days when I need a womaly figure in my life and days when I need a Male figure in my life. If I had gay parents, then I would be missing out on the womanly figure and sometimes I wouldn't be able to cope. There are certain things I can only talk to my mum about, and vice versa with my dad. I think that if there are no hetrosexual parents willing, then it is perfectly okay for a gay couple to adopt the child, but I think that the child should be able to have 24/7 access to a manly figure, or a male figure if it is a female couple

[MrGaryy]

Originally posted by LewisLeona
I think that they should be allowed, but as BBUK4LYFE said, Hetrosexual couples should get priority. Thre are days when I need a womaly figure in my life and days when I need a Male figure in my life. If I had gay parents, then I would be missing out on the womanly figure and sometimes I wouldn't be able to cope. There are certain things I can only talk to my mum about, and vice versa with my dad. I think that if there are no hetrosexual parents willing, then it is perfectly okay for a gay couple to adopt the child, but I think that the child should be able to have 24/7 access to a manly figure, or a male figure if it is a female couple

but you would be able to cope as that would be the norm for you. The only reason you think you would collapse without a female role model in your life is because you've had one.

[Lewis.]

Originally posted by MrGaryy
Originally posted by LewisLeona
I think that they should be allowed, but as BBUK4LYFE said, Hetrosexual couples should get priority. Thre are days when I need a womaly figure in my life and days when I need a Male figure in my life. If I had gay parents, then I would be missing out on the womanly figure and sometimes I wouldn't be able to cope. There are certain things I can only talk to my mum about, and vice versa with my dad. I think that if there are no hetrosexual parents willing, then it is perfectly okay for a gay couple to adopt the child, but I think that the child should be able to have 24/7 access to a manly figure, or a male figure if it is a female couple

but you would be able to cope as that would be the norm for you. The only reason you think you would collapse without a female role model in your life is because you've had one.

Good point, didn't really think of that. Hmm. I suppose your right. They should do a documentary on it, having a teenager who is used to being with hetrosexual parents, move in with a gay couple for a couple of months and test your idea.

[MrGaryy]

I saw two sons of these two lesbians on some talk show, tho they weren't adopted, the mothers got sperm donors. The sons said they were perfectly happy and never much need for a male figure in my life and that their lives were just as stable if not more than some of their peer with a father and a mother.

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by LewisLeona
I think that they should be allowed, but as BBUK4LYFE said, Hetrosexual couples should get priority. Thre are days when I need a womaly figure in my life and days when I need a Male figure in my life. If I had gay parents, then I would be missing out on the womanly figure and sometimes I wouldn't be able to cope. There are certain things I can only talk to my mum about, and vice versa with my dad. I think that if there are no hetrosexual parents willing, then it is perfectly okay for a gay couple to adopt the child, but I think that the child should be able to have 24/7 access to a manly figure, or a male figure if it is a female couple

but there is other influencal figures a child can have not just parents while my situation isnt completely to this topic my daughter doesnt see her dad at all but she has a stong influence from my dad my grandad and my step bro they are a huge part of her life so she isnt without the male figure in her life

[BBUK4LYFE]

Originally posted by MrGaryy
Originally posted by LewisLeona
I think that they should be allowed, but as BBUK4LYFE said, Hetrosexual couples should get priority. Thre are days when I need a womaly figure in my life and days when I need a Male figure in my life. If I had gay parents, then I would be missing out on the womanly figure and sometimes I wouldn't be able to cope. There are certain things I can only talk to my mum about, and vice versa with my dad. I think that if there are no hetrosexual parents willing, then it is perfectly okay for a gay couple to adopt the child, but I think that the child should be able to have 24/7 access to a manly figure, or a male figure if it is a female couple

but you would be able to cope as that would be the norm for you. The only reason you think you would collapse without a female role model in your life is because you've had one.
Not true.

I grew up without a father and it was hell for me.

There is just somethings my grandmother and mother couldn't help me with.

So your statement pretty much holds no truth to it.

I also had friends that grew up with the same problems, I had. Not having a father or mother figure around and they grew up with the same pain and suffering that I did.

Not having both a male and female figure to look up to is tough, beyond belief man.

Just tough.

[Benjamin]

I like seeing this debate. I wonder how some of the newer members feel about this?

[lostalex]

Should Black people be allowed to adopt?

Should Jews be allowed to adopt?

Should Gingers be allowed to adopt?

Should Catholics be allowed to adopt?

[Niamh.]

Should Black people be allowed to adopt?

Should Jews be allowed to adopt?

Should Gingers be allowed to adopt?

Should Catholics be allowed to adopt?

I think the people who disagree, do so because of the fact that the child will be lacking in either a father or a mother figure in the family so the examples you've given are not really comparable.

[lostalex]

I think the people who disagree, do so because of the fact that the child will be lacking in either a father or a mother figure in the family so the examples you've given are not really comparable.

well legally that makes no sense, because plenty of str8 couples adopt kids even though both parents arn't in the home at all times.

Why are celebrities allowed to adopt kids then? considering they let their kids be raised by nannys.


And what does that mean a "mother" figure, or a "father" figure.

Would you rather have no mom and 2 gay dad's, or would you rather have 1 mom and 1 abusive alcoholic pedophile father that touched you in your sleep???

The vast majority of pedophilia crimes in britain is commited by heterosexual biological fathers against their own kids.

[lostalex]

If you actually look at the research, the most dangerous thing for a child to be around is a HETEROSEXUAL MALE.

[Niamh.]

well legally that makes no sense, because plenty of str8 couples adopt kids even though both parents arn't in the home at all times.

Why are celebrities allowed to adopt kids then? considering they let their kids by nannys.


And what does that mean a "mother" figure, or a "father" figure.

Would you rather have no mom and 2 gay dad's, or would you rather have 1 mom and 1 abusive alcoholic pedophile father that touched you in your sleep???

The vast majority of pedophilia crimes in britain is commited by heterosexual biological fathers against their own kids.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all and you can add to your list the number of single parents out there too but when they are adopting a child it is controllable, where as no one can control people having their own biological kids (unfortunate in some cases!!)

having said that I do think it is good for a child to have both a good male and female figure in their lives, I mean I look at my own son for example and see the relationship he has with his father which I couldn't give him but I give him something else that has father doesn't.

to answer your question about the celebs, I think that all boils down to money unfortunately.

[Miss Ivy Balls]

Most probably yes!

People get bullied regardless. Most people get bullied for being gay as it is.

As long as they're good parents.

It is so awkward to answer though.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Of course they should, the most important thing for a child to have is love, and gay couples are as free and able to give that as heterosexual couples, more so in some cases.

Shouldn't even be an argument in my opinion.

[lostalex]

You guys do realize the whole "it will be more difficult for them" was the same excuse given when society was asking the question should INTER_RACIAL marriage be allowed.

The same points you are making, about a sense of identity, and the hardships they will face, were used by RACISTS to argue against inter-racial marriage.

they "won't have any role-models" and they will "be confused" these are the same arguments made by racists against inter-racial marriage.

[Tom4784]

It's ridiculous to take away the chance of a child having a stable home and parental figures just because of the parent's sexuality. If someone has the resources, desire and skills to be a parent then there's no excuse to deny them. A stable home and permanent parental figures are better then a cycle of foster parents and homes.

[Niamh.]

You guys do realize the whole "it will be more difficult for them" was the same excuse given when society was asking the question should INTER_RACIAL marriage be allowed.

The same points you are making, about a sense of identity, and the hardships they will face, were used by RACISTS to argue against inter-racial marriage.

well, I'll be honest here if I had to pick a home for a child and choose between a decent, loving straight couple and an equally decent, loving gay couple then I would choose the straight couple, simply because I believe it is more ideal to have both a father and a mother figure in a childs life. However with the amount of children in the world, especially outside of Europe, that need good homes I don't believe it would ever come down to a straight choice like this.

[Ammi]

Totally yes there are gay couples who would make fantastic parents and should be given that opportunity - god look at some of the sh**e parents on Jeremy Kyle - much better to have great gay parents. Choose schools carefully if you can with strong bullying policies and where you know they will educate the children on this from primary school age, children are so accepting (its their parents that arn't) - you can't stop all bullying but you never can and your just as likely to get bullied with straight parents.

[Smithy]

Should Black people be allowed to adopt?

Should Jews be allowed to adopt?

Should Gingers be allowed to adopt?

Should Catholics be allowed to adopt?

Nope






























lol I joke

[_Seth]

It's ridiculous to take away the chance of a child having a stable home and parental figures just because of the parent's sexuality. If someone has the resources, desire and skills to be a parent then there's no excuse to deny them. A stable home and permanent parental figures are better then a cycle of foster parents and homes.
This. End of.
if I had to pick a home for a child and choose between a decent, loving straight couple and an equally decent, loving gay couple then I would choose the straight couple, simply because I believe it is more ideal to have both a father and a mother figure in a childs life.

I also agree with this. May as well have both a mother and father figure if it's a choice between a straight and gay couple who are equally good parents, but when it comes to (the ratios of) sexuality and good parenting, the good parenting should always take priority.

[Angus]

I am sure that if a child had a choice they would rather be brought up by a loving gay couple, than in a children's home or a series of foster homes. All kids just want to belong to someone and be part of a family. If a gay couple can offer a child a stable and loving home, what on earth is the problem?

[Niamh.]

This. End of.


I also agree with this. May as well have both a mother and father figure if it's a choice between a straight and gay couple who are equally good parents, but when it comes to (the ratios of) sexuality and good parenting, the good parenting should always take priority.

absolutely and there are plenty of children out there needing this, I absolutely disagree that a child is better off in a foster home or an orphanage than to be placed with a loving and stable gay couple.

[Lucy.]

Absoloutly, just because your born liking the same sex doesn't mean your not capable as a parent nor should they miss out on the opportunity, besides there's plenty of **** parents out there who are of both sexes so.

[BBfan46]

I think it's fine I mean you can't argue that it's that unfair on the kids because 'normal' parents can be awful at looking after their kids. I think that surrogate mothers are better we not get a gay couple to inseminate a lesbian woman with sperm and have a baby that way they have both a mother and father, I know things can't work out like that but it makes sense to me.

[BB_Eye]

This thread reminds me of BBUK4LIFE moaning about gays non-stop last year. :bored:

[Jords]

Not from a baby, as I think it should be up to the child if s/he would be okay being adopted by a gay/lesbian couple.

This is because I think its better for a child to be brought up within a normal environment. I.e. Having a 'mother' and 'father' role. Gay/lesbian parents may encourage other students at school to bully the adoptee, or the adoptee themself may feel uncomfortable, because well, it would be odd to say you have 2 mothers or 2 fathers. Obviously you could argue living in a foster care isnt a normal environment either but thats just how I feel about it, however if they wanted to a adopt somebody lets say 7+, where they have an understanding of sexuality and were fine with the situation, then yepp Id find that perfectly acceptable. :)

[cupid stunt]

nah its wrong, the poor kid would get bullied to **** at school

[Barbie]

I understand some want to adopt kids but from the kids point of view is it not better to have a male and female role model and a bit of dare i say it "normality" in their home life?
When i say normality i mean have a mum and a dad, they have been through care or whatever and schools tough as it is, let alone when you have 2 dads instead of a mum and a dad

[Locke.]

No. Simple as that.

[Patrick]

Personally if I were a kid that was adopted and grew up with two dads I'd hate it.

I suppose it's up to the kid.

[Tom4784]

Personally if I were a kid that was adopted and grew up with two dads I'd hate it.

I suppose it's up to the kid.

Would you rather grow up in a children's home?

[lostalex]

and people say American's don't believe in science??? well this thread proves Brits are just as adverse to science.

The science has shown over and over again, that children raised in same-sex homes are no different, no better or worse off, than those raised in opposite-sex homes.

but don't let the science get in the way of yur bigotry....:spin:

(am i on TiBB, or the daily mail??? sometimes it's hard to tell)

[Angus]

It's not the fact of being brought up in a loving, stable home by same sex parents that kids would have to worry about, but the frankly homophobic and bigoted attitudes of people who will pass on their prejudices to their own children who, in turn, will make these adopted kids' lives a misery at school.

I can't believe some people think it is better to allow children to languish in children's homes or be passed around like parcels to various foster parents, rather than allow them to be brought up in a home where they will wanted, loved, and valued.

[Angus]

I understand some want to adopt kids but from the kids point of view is it not better to have a male and female role model and a bit of dare i say it "normality" in their home life?
When i say normality i mean have a mum and a dad, they have been through care or whatever and schools tough as it is, let alone when you have 2 dads instead of a mum and a dad

The simple fact is that there are nowhere near enough potential adoptive parents, especially those willing to take on older children. To deprive a child of a loving, stable home because of the lack of a "normal" couple coming forward is cruel and shortsighted - all kids have a fundamental need to belong in a family and feel loved and cared for as individuals.

There are plenty of truly despicable, irresponsible, uncaring, and neglectful heterosexual parents out there doing a fine job of messing up their kids' lives, so that argument doesn't fly. Kids only have a hard time at school with bullies who have acquired the prejudices of their own, supposedly "normal", imperfect, heterosexual BIGOTED parents.

[joeysteele]

The simple fact is that there are nowhere near enough potential adoptive parents, especially those willing to take on older children. To deprive a child of a loving, stable home because of the lack of a "normal" couple coming forward is cruel and shortsighted - all kids have a fundamental need to belong in a family and feel loved and cared for as individuals.

There are plenty of truly despicable, irresponsible, uncaring, and neglectful heterosexual parents out there doing a fine job of messing up their kids' lives, so that argument doesn't fly. Kids only have a hard time at school with bullies who have acquired the prejudices of their own, supposedly "normal", imperfect, heterosexual BIGOTED parents.

I agree, I have thought on this one a lot, for me as long as the careful checks are made initially as in all areas of adoption, as long as the child is happy and clearly being cared for and as long as follow up checks are done merely as a precaution as they should in all cases for a while then I cannot see any argument against allowing any format of couple to adopt a child if it is clear they can give them love and security.

The child's welfare must always be uppermost in the minds of the authorities but as long as that is met then of course, Children have a right to as good a life as can be provided for them and if that's with a gay couple who can do so, so be it. It would be more wrong to deny the Child that chance.

[bananarama]

Two mums or two dads is not a balanced gender upbringing bullying or not......A definite no...........

[Benjamin]

Two mums or two dads is not a balanced gender upbringing bullying or not......A definite no...........

What about children from single parent families? They don't have a balanced gender upbringing, and most are fine for it.

[Tom4784]

Two mums or two dads is not a balanced gender upbringing bullying or not......A definite no...........

Okay, shall we take children away from single parents homes too? Since that's not a gender balanced home either. These children will obviously be better off in care as they'll have LOTS of foster parents to look after them!

In case you missed it, I was being sarcastic. I don't think it's a valid excuse to deprive a child in care of a loving family enviroment because of gender. Straight couples aren't instantly perfect and neither are gay couples but both can be good parents if you give them a chance. I'd rather grow up with a permanent family rather then being shifted pillar to post in the foster care system.

Stability is more important then the gender of the parents and if ANY couple straight or gay can provide that and a loving home for a child then I see no reason not to.

[Vicky.]

Okay, shall we take children away from single parents homes too? Since that's not a gender balanced home either. These children will obviously be better off in care as they'll have LOTS of foster parents to look after them!


Exactly.

I can see only two reasons mostly being bandied about on this thread. Children being bullied at school because they have two fathers/mothers...and the children needing a male AND female rolemodel.

Kids are bullied for absolutely anything these days. Being overweight/hair colour/wearing glasses or braces/not having the latest trainers or gadgets/parents being 'ugly'/having a lisp/being too quiet...I could go on all day.

The bullying argument just doesn't hold up with there being so many different things to be bullied for. Chances are, the child will be popular/have friends...or be bullied for some stupid reason anyway.


And as Dezzy said...the role model thing, what about single parent families. Some of you might say that the child still sees both their parents...not necessarily. For example...a baby girl, being brought up by a single mother who shares a house with her sister. The father got with someone else and moved to america before the child was born, leaving no contact details or anything... who are YOU to say that the child does not have a normal life because she has no father figure around and will likely never know her dad?


I am all for gay adoption. I imagine the childrens lives would be much happier than if they are stuck in care. Many may even be happier than if they were adopted by a straight couple...depends on the parents.

Even if there is a very slight chance they might be bullied.

But lets face it, if they arent skinny, goodlooking, outgoing and well off...with david beckham dropping them off at school each day, they probably would have been bullied for something anyways. :)

[Kerry]

I've not read this thread, simply the title - but what makes a gay couple any lesser a parent than 'Joe Bloggs' ??

[Sunday]

No, IMO I dont think its fair on the child.

[Beastie]

Yes.

[Angus]

No, IMO I dont think its fair on the child.

I suppose it's fairer on the child to be brought up by strangers being paid to look after them in a children's home or foster homes and who have no emotional investment in their upbringing?:rolleyes: What makes anyone here think that a person's sexuality has anything at all to do with their ability to give love, affection and commitment to a child in need of stability and security?

As regards the point made about single parents - better to have one good parent, than two rubbish ones, or one good parent and one rubbish or even abusive parent who undermines the other. I should know because I was that one good parent left to bring up my children alone after an acrimonious divorce, and I have had the honour of being told that by my two, now grown up, well adjusted and perfectly normal and happy sons. They did not suffer from having just a mum to bring them up - It's the quality of parenting, not the quantity or gender of the parents, that counts.

[lostalex]

Did any of you guys see the newest episode of "world's strictest parents" on BBC three. they had a gay couple that were parents on the last episode.

[Angus]

Did any of you guys see the newest episode of "world's strictest parents" on BBC three. they had a gay couple that were parents on the last episode.

I missed that, but I did watch that documentary on recently about the millionaire gay couple who have had 4 children by surrogate mothers, and very happy and well adjusted the kids are too.

[joeysteele]

I suppose it's fairer on the child to be brought up by strangers being paid to look after them in a children's home or foster homes and who have no emotional investment in their upbringing?:rolleyes: What makes anyone here think that a person's sexuality has anything at all to do with their ability to give love, affection and commitment to a child in need of stability and security?

As regards the point made about single parents - better to have one good parent, than two rubbish ones, or one good parent and one rubbish or even abusive parent who undermines the other. I should know because I was that one good parent left to bring up my children alone after an acrimonious divorce, and I have had the honour of being told that by my two, now grown up, well adjusted and perfectly normal and happy sons. They did not suffer from having just a mum to bring them up - It's the quality of parenting, not the quantity or gender of the parents, that counts.


Exactly, the quality of parenting is all that matters,

[Legend killer]

Of course they SHOULD , why should liking a bit of battered sausage stop them from being allowed to adopt

[BB_Eye]

Did any of you guys see the newest episode of "world's strictest parents" on BBC three. they had a gay couple that were parents on the last episode.
Were they the soft parents or the strict ones?

[BB_Eye]

I understand some want to adopt kids but from the kids point of view is it not better to have a male and female role model and a bit of dare i say it "normality" in their home life?
When i say normality i mean have a mum and a dad, they have been through care or whatever and schools tough as it is, let alone when you have 2 dads instead of a mum and a dad
But Jesus had two dads.

[Niall]

Why can't gay couples adopt? I think its ridiculous to say we can't. I've seen several TV shows where they document the lives of kids living with 2 mums/dads and they grow up absolutely normal. Imo it doesn't matter whether you have 2 men or women for parents. Its how they care for you and whether they love you that matters. Not any of that 'its unnatural' sh!t. If you can't handle it, leave the country. Thats my opinion.

[Omen]

You make a thread about gay, bullying or racism, and it goes on and on and on and on and on.......

[Angus]

Were they the soft parents or the strict ones?

This episode was on the other night and they were brilliant parents. They had five other foster children, and operated a zero tolerance approach, laying down the boundaries of what was and was not acceptable, yet were also extremely kind, supportive and approachable. Some people are just intuitive and instinctive parents irrespective of gender.

[BB_Eye]

This episode was on the other night and they were brilliant parents. They had five other foster children, and operated a zero tolerance approach, laying down the boundaries of what was and was not acceptable, yet were also extremely kind, supportive and approachable. Some people are just intuitive and instinctive parents irrespective of gender.
I watched the Barbados episode the other night and am becoming slightly addicted to it. My main gripe about the show though is that the pep talks and behavioural turnaround of the unruly teens seemed kind of rehearsed and staged, especially considering how vile they were in the 45 minutes leading up to it. The 17 year old girl in that episode actually expected her mum to buy champagne for her, :eek: so seeing her change within the space of a week was a little bit hard to take in.

As bad as these teens are, I wish the parents would acknowledge their own apathy in bringing them up. Doesn't it just show a lack of interest in the welfare of their own kid when they let them do whatever they please? Spoiling a kid is a form of neglect as far as I see it.

[Livia]

Being a good parent has nothing to do with sexuality. Look at the kids who are abused and even murdered in a household where there are a male and a female in the house. If you really feel you want to do it and you can provide a stable, loving home for a kid who might otherwise live their whole childhood in care, who the hell cares what you do in the privacy of your own bedroom?

[Z]

Is it just me that thinks gay couples should only be allowed to adopt children who are old enough to decide if they'd be happy to live with a gay couple as parents? A baby/toddler/young child could well grow up to hate their adoptive parents because it wasn't their decision to live with them; that is no reflection on what the gay couple are like as people, but the issue being with the concept of gay parents. I don't know, I think it's unfair to deny people that basic wish of having a family of their own, but I think gay couples should be adopting teenagers, not young children... I don't really know how best to express my view, but that's basically it!

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

no because kids are a pain in the arse

pugs >>>> kids

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Wilbur_the_pug.jpg/800px-Wilbur_the_pug.jpg

[Livia]

Is it just me that thinks gay couples should only be allowed to adopt children who are old enough to decide if they'd be happy to live with a gay couple as parents? A baby/toddler/young child could well grow up to hate their adoptive parents because it wasn't their decision to live with them; that is no reflection on what the gay couple are like as people, but the issue being with the concept of gay parents. I don't know, I think it's unfair to deny people that basic wish of having a family of their own, but I think gay couples should be adopting teenagers, not young children... I don't really know how best to express my view, but that's basically it!


Then surely you'd have to say that no kids can be adopted by people who follow a certain religion unless they are old enough to decide that they are happy to be brought up with that dogma. Should Jehovah's Witness couples be allowed to adopt because they may refuse that child a life-saving blood transfusion, organ transplant or surgery because their religion dictates? Where is the line going to be drawn? Who is going to decide what's "normal" and who is "good enough"?

[Z]

Then surely you'd have to say that no kids can be adopted by people who follow a certain religion unless they are old enough to decide that they are happy to be brought up with that dogma. Should Jehovah's Witness couples be allowed to adopt because they may refuse that child a life-saving blood transfusion, organ transplant or surgery because their religion dictates? Where is the line going to be drawn? Who is going to decide what's "normal" and who is "good enough"?

That's exactly my view; but it's never going to be a realistic aim. My personal opinion is just that, something that I can think but nothing will ever come of. There is a difference between religion and sexuality though; religion is a choice, sexuality is not. A child raised by a gay couple isn't going to be a homosexual; but the social stigma that being known as the child of a gay couple should be a decision left in the hands of the adopted child... obviously it is the decision of the child if they want to be adopted by any couple, but I think most young children in care would happily take any loving family. I'm not against gay adoption, not by any means, I just think it's a contentious issue that none of us will understand unless we are in the position of being a child adopted by a gay couple, or one part of a gay couple adopting a child. Circumstances vary everywhere. One child that might get picked on for having gay parents could easily be another child whose friends think it's quite cool and unusual and are totally fine with it. :hugesmile:

[Angus]

Is it just me that thinks gay couples should only be allowed to adopt children who are old enough to decide if they'd be happy to live with a gay couple as parents? A baby/toddler/young child could well grow up to hate their adoptive parents because it wasn't their decision to live with them; that is no reflection on what the gay couple are like as people, but the issue being with the concept of gay parents. I don't know, I think it's unfair to deny people that basic wish of having a family of their own, but I think gay couples should be adopting teenagers, not young children... I don't really know how best to express my view, but that's basically it!

And what age would you suggest is "old enough" for a child to be able to make a judgement call on whether they would like to be adopted by a gay couple??? Meanwhile, there they are languishing in children's homes being brought up by emotionally detached strangers employed by the State - I would have thought the stigma of that would be far worse to cope with.

So gay couples should only be "allowed" to adopt "teenagers" thereby depriving said teenagers of any kind of family life until they are "old enough", and depriving said gay couples of the joys of parenting a child from infancy? Unbelievable!

[Z]

And what age would you suggest is "old enough" for a child to be able to make a judgement call on whether they would like to be adopted by a gay couple??? Meanwhile, there they are languishing in children's homes being brought up by emotionally detached strangers employed by the State - I would have thought the stigma of that would be far worse to cope with.

So gay couples should only be "allowed" to adopt "teenagers" thereby depriving said teenagers of any kind of family life until they are "old enough", and depriving said gay couples of the joys of parenting a child from infancy? Unbelievable!

Old enough to walk, talk, read, write? I don't know, I've not thought it through :tongue: I just feel that any child under state care should be the one to decide where they want to go. I find your way of describing children's homes a bit over the top; "languishing" and "emotionally detached"... they're in care, they're not victims of Miss Trunchbull! My view stands for all sexual preferences looking to adopt, it's just my very general view that a child should get to decide what's best for them, not the state; after all, they have been deprived of the parents that brought them into the world for whatever reason, they should be in the position to choose the next best thing.

[Angus]

Old enough to walk, talk, read, write? I don't know, I've not thought it through :tongue: I just feel that any child under state care should be the one to decide where they want to go. I find your way of describing children's homes a bit over the top; "languishing" and "emotionally detached"... they're in care, they're not victims of Miss Trunchbull! My view stands for all sexual preferences looking to adopt, it's just my very general view that a child should get to decide what's best for them, not the state; after all, they have been deprived of the parents that brought them into the world for whatever reason, they should be in the position to choose the next best thing.

My description is far from "over the top" - unfortunately my ex was brought up in Dr Barnardos and whilst they might have tended to his physical and educational needs, they could never, ever replace a family environment and he was severely emotionally scarred. The marriage broke down because I could not cope with his possessiveness, jealousy and insecurity which all stemmed from his lack of FAMILY love in his childhood. He also had no idea how to be a good father, and was emotionally detached from his own children.

No matter how well meaning, kind and attentive PAID children's home workers are, they go home to their own families and can never be emotionally involved with the children to the extent that a parent is. I really find it incredible that anyone would think it's better to allow children to (and I reiterate), languish in a children's home, rather than be adopted by parents of whatever gender, who want to love, nurture and care for them and put in the years of emotional investment that all good parents put into their kids. You must be aware that at age 18 you are turfed out to live independently, though in my ex husband's day, it was 16. That can be quite scary with no family support system in place.

[Z]

My description is far from "over the top" - unfortunately my ex was brought up in Dr Barnardos and whilst they might have tended to his physical and educational needs, they could never, ever replace a family environment and he was severely emotionally scarred. The marriage broke down because I could not cope with his possessiveness, jealousy and insecurity which all stemmed from his lack of FAMILY love in his childhood. He also had no idea how to be a good father, and was emotionally detached from his own children.

No matter how well meaning, kind and attentive PAID children's home workers are, they go home to their own families and can never be emotionally involved with the children to the extent that a parent is. I really find it incredible that anyone would think it's better to allow children to (and I reiterate), languish in a children's home, rather than be adopted by parents of whatever gender, who want to love, nurture and care for them and put in the years of emotional investment that all good parents put into their kids. You must be aware that at age 18 you are turfed out to live independently, though in my ex husband's day, it was 16. That can be quite scary with no family support system in place.

Ah, well now I understand why your views are so strong; I apologise if I've offended you! I certainly don't agree with the opposition to gay couples adopting because they 'wouldn't be good parents'; anyone who was brought up in a loving family environment will, generally speaking, go on to create a loving family environment of their own when they're older. I don't think it'd be any better to leave a child in a children's home than to send them off to a family; I just know that if I was in that position, I'd want to have chosen my adoptive parents myself and not have been given away when I was too young to know it was happening.

[Angus]

Ah, well now I understand why your views are so strong; I apologise if I've offended you! I certainly don't agree with the opposition to gay couples adopting because they 'wouldn't be good parents'; anyone who was brought up in a loving family environment will, generally speaking, go on to create a loving family environment of their own when they're older. I don't think it'd be any better to leave a child in a children's home than to send them off to a family; I just know that if I was in that position, I'd want to have chosen my adoptive parents myself and not have been given away when I was too young to know it was happening.

Oh no, you didn't offend me at all, I'm just kind of passionate about the welfare of children - and any form of child abuse, be it emotional, physical, sexual or neglect will get me up on my soap box as, no doubt, it will with the majority of people.

I think, in an ideal world, we would all wish to choose our parents! But irrespective of how awful some parents are, it is well documented, time and again, that kids would rather stay with them than be removed to what social workers consider more appropriate homes. Unfortunately with adoptions, its a "buyer's market" and kids are lucky to be considered for adoption at all, let alone have a choice in the matter, especially the older ones. Most prospective adoptive parents don't want to take on kids with baggage, they want babies.

I think that everyone just needs to feel that they "belong" somewhere and can have a shared life with people they love and who love them, and who will care about them all their lives.

[Pyramid*]

yes, as long as the exact same criteria is applied for both gay or straight couples.

A person's sexuality does not make the person - it is their personality,upbringing, moral standing and personal attributes that make a good parent.

One only has to look around at our 'normal' (ie: hetrosexual) nuclear family to see that there are many male/female couples who fall into the most horrid, abusive categories. This also applies to same sex couples. The sex / gender or sexual preference of an individual does not determine if they are a wholesome character.

I'd far rather see mentally balanced couples (gay ref the thread title) being allowed to adopt than seeing some of the way straight couples are allowed to produce child after child - not be in a position to afford the child, or care for it, or actually love the child.

so many publisised cases of hetro couples being the most god awful parents. Its not about sexuality, it's about being able to afford, to cloth, feed, care, love, nurture, educate, comfort, the child - being straight doesn't mean that the straight person can offer these basics.

[Benjamin]

yes, as long as the exact same criteria is applied for both gay or straight couples.

A person's sexuality does not make the person - it is their personality,upbringing, moral standing and personal attributes that make a good parent.

One only has to look around at our 'normal' (ie: hetrosexual) nuclear family to see that there are many male/female couples who fall into the most horrid, abusive categories. This also applies to same sex couples. The sex / gender or sexual preference of an individual does not determine if they are a wholesome character.

I'd far rather see mentally balanced couples (gay ref the thread title) being allowed to adopt than seeing some of the way straight couples are allowed to produce child after child - not be in a position to afford the child, or care for it, or actually love the child.

so many publisised cases of hetro couples being the most god awful parents. Its not about sexuality, it's about being able to afford, to cloth, feed, care, love, nurture, educate, comfort, the child - being straight doesn't mean that the straight person can offer these basics.


Exactly my sentiments on the subject.

[Kerry]

Crikey, this is an old thread. But yes, of course gay couples should be able to adopt. Theres no difference. A loving couple are a loving couple

[letmein]

I can't believe we're still having this discussion in 2010. What bs! Of course they should be able to adopt! Case closed!

[Mr XcX]

Maybe,

Depends if the child would cope with bullying etc.

[Benjamin]

Crikey, this is an old thread. But yes, of course gay couples should be able to adopt. Theres no difference. A loving couple are a loving couple


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A 2 year debate so far

[Grimnir]

Yes, but only from third world muslim countries

[letmein]

Is it just me that thinks gay couples should only be allowed to adopt children who are old enough to decide if they'd be happy to live with a gay couple as parents?

Yes, it's just you. What a ridiculous statement! Yeesh!

[cub]

Is it just me that thinks gay couples should only be allowed to adopt children who are old enough to decide if they'd be happy to live with a gay couple as parents? A baby/toddler/young child could well grow up to hate their adoptive parents because it wasn't their decision to live with them; that is no reflection on what the gay couple are like as people, but the issue being with the concept of gay parents. I don't know, I think it's unfair to deny people that basic wish of having a family of their own, but I think gay couples should be adopting teenagers, not young children... I don't really know how best to express my view, but that's basically it!

Should I hate my adopted parents because they made me eat meat and I am a veggie?

How old would the adopted children be before they could make an informed choice?

Children will not grow up resenting their parents if they are box the same sex, but they might if they are bullied because of it by their peer group. That is the fault of the bullies not the parents of course.

I wholeheartedly disagree with what you've said.

[ElProximo]

No, of course not. They are not a man and woman and add to that carrying on a sexual perversion.