Should Gay Couples Be Allowed To Adopt?

[Benjamin]

I have just read the thread about homophobes on here and found you lot to be very interesting, and it got me thinking about something somebody asked me the other day.

Should gay couples be allowed to adopt kids?

[mkdfan]

I think its up the the couple if they want to, I'm gay and I would never adopt altho I'm only 18 so i dunno if I would in the future.

I wouldn't want the child to be bullied when they are school because of it, kids are cruel and could ruin their lives.

[Scarlett.]

Yes they should be allowed to adopt

[Conor]

I think anyone adopted in that situation would soon find themselves feeling bullied, confused and insecure. I wouldn't disagree for any other reason I suppose, just the fact of what any adopted child would half to go through along with more bullying about not having real parents ect.

[Fom]

Im undecided on this, I think its fair that Gay people should have kids but I think of it from the kids point of view, is it good for them? I mean I havent researched on this or anything so I dont know if its proven it doesnt matter, but I always feel that a kid should have a Mother of some form... and having two dads would be weird. And then you have the bullying side of things from kids that dont understand about gay relationships yet, the kid could get the same reaction as homophobia because his or her parents are gay.
Yes they have the right to adopt... but if its good for the kid? I dont know, some one prove me wrong :thumbs:

[DamonJ]

I'm in mixed minds about this. I'm gay but I would personally love kids, and surely the only way is to adopt, BUT, I wouldn't want the child to be bullied at school for having gay parents and no mother, also I wouldn't like to answer the difficult questions when the kid gets older like "Why don't I have a Mum like everyone else?"

Personally I think it is good for the parents, but it wouldn't benefit the children.

[Sam]

I don't think so. I'm not homophobic but I think they shouldn't adopt mainly because of the problems the child will go through. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a loving enviroment, I'm just saying the child shouldn't have to go through the psychological problems of it all, eg. bullying. But in some cases, I'm sure it's fine.

[Tom4784]

I'm all for Gay couples adopting. If there are people who can provide good homes for children why should they be denied that because the parents are gay? Sure It won't be easy, but it's probably better then being raised in an orphanage.

[Scarlett.]

I have gone through the teenage years with Gay parents, and it aint done me no harm

[mkdfan]

what was it like for u at school? what did other kids say?

[Spike]

I'm split on this
No because the child will maybe get bullied but if we don't allow gay couples to adopt for that reason isn't that letting the homophobic bullies win?
and yes they should be allowed because there are children on the streets and in childrens homes who could have a loving family and home, but people say they cant have a loving family because the parents aren't of the right sex.
actually yes gay couples should be allowed to adopt, if they can give a child a stable loving family and home then who are we to deny the child that

[Tom]

I'm split.

I think gay people have the right to have children but I think a child needs a role model of each gender especially if its two lesbians looking after a boy or two gay men looking after a girl. If its their own children then I have nothing against it as I'm sure a lot of split parents remain in contact for the sake of their kids but I'm not so sure about adoption.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by mkdfan
what was it like for u at school? what did other kids say? Not much, most had guessed, but I'd never told them, they didnt actually seem all too bothered by it

[Jen]

I wouldn't want the child to be bullied when they are school because of it, kids are cruel and could ruin their lives. [/quote]

I agree with that..
But I suppose its up to the couple :)

[Fom]

Originally posted by Chewy
Originally posted by mkdfan
what was it like for u at school? what did other kids say? Not much, most had guessed, but I'd never told them, they didnt actually seem all too bothered by it

Thats the thing though you haven't really told people... what if a kid did in a rough crowd and it didn't go down well... its different situations with different people.

[lolester]

im totaly against the whole gay parents thing. for now
im for gay people loveing life, my sis is gay . but right now in this current modern day era teens and childern can be soo rude with the whole gay thing. i would personally feel sorry for the child becouse of the bulling and counsing they would need.

i think in the future when gay couples will be able to get married properly. and gay people will get more reconzied and gay will become normal like men and women couples. then i think that will be the time for gay couples to get kids

soo in a decade or so

[Always_RiGHt]

Originally posted by ukturtle
I have just read the thread about homophobes on here and found you lot to be very interesting,

That sounds rather strange,

"found you lot to be very interesting" :conf:

and it got me thinking about something somebody asked me the other day.

Should gay couples be allowed to adopt kids?

NO!!!

[Princess]

Definitely,as long as they are good parents and would be good people why shouldn't they? People get bullied all the time,that shouldn't stop a couple having children.

[Sod_James]

Yeh i think they should. Im gay and i would like to adopt kids in the future.

[Shaun]

Me and Darenn intend to, so yes.

[Annie]

Originally posted by Shaun
Me and Darenn intend to, so yes.

Hear Hear :joker:

[Rocko]

What about borrowing an oven.


(surrogacy)

[Always_RiGHt]

Originally posted by Rocko
What about borrowing an oven.


(surrogacy)

Thats cruel

[bigbr0ther]

To the people who say it's bad for the kid, I think it actually is good for the kid to have loving parents. No matter his gender, or the gender of the parents, however, I think that the parents should make sure to bring role models of all genders into his life. It's not good to have role models of just one gender. I'm not being homophobic; I think single parents should do the same thing.

[Benjamin]

some interesting views so far.

[Greg.!]

i am very torn, i am personally not gay but i know alot of gay people who want kids but the kids at school would tease the child. especially if it was a girl it would be stranger.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Yeh you know what, this is a difficult one I know lesbian couples who have kids from previous relationships and one thats had IVF. I veer towards the way of thinking that if theres two loving parents then so what! and we are supposed to be striving for a world where there is no stigma attached to being gay, then we should accept it as normal, but then I also think kids should have role models of both sexes and there needs to be that in their lives if theyre going to grow up well rounded

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Always_RiGHt
Originally posted by ukturtle
I have just read the thread about homophobes on here and found you lot to be very interesting,

That sounds rather strange,

"found you lot to be very interesting" :conf:

and it got me thinking about something somebody asked me the other day.

Should gay couples be allowed to adopt kids?

NO!!!

Oh I wonder why you were banned?!

[Annie]

I think they should be allowed to adopt children - a gay couple can be a loving set of parents just like a hetrosexual couple. Sometimes the children might feel that they are different but they would soon enough realise that they have two parents who love them dearly and some other children will be in broken families with single parents.

I think a gay couple should have been together for a certain number of years before they get the chance to adopt to prove that they are serious together and want to commit.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Always_RiGHt
Originally posted by ukturtle
I have just read the thread about homophobes on here and found you lot to be very interesting,

That sounds rather strange,

"found you lot to be very interesting" :conf:

and it got me thinking about something somebody asked me the other day.

Should gay couples be allowed to adopt kids?

NO!!!

Oh I wonder why you were banned?! LOL. You can always rely on Nodick to put forward a balanced, well thought out argument. :pat:

I like the fact that, in his latest username, he used upper and lower case letters in the same way I have in my username. I wonder what that’s about?:whistle:

On topic - I think if a child has two loving parents then that all they need and sexuality is irrelevant. I understand that a child may be the target of bullying but I think that’s much better than unloved children growing up in a dysfunctional family.

[M X]

Yes, why not?

[XxShortyxX]

Yes! Defo, why shouldn't they? Maybe I am bias because I am bi.

[pinkmichk]

of course they should cant see no problem in it myself

[bronaaaa]

Aye of course

[LemonJam]

As long as the two parents love each other and can set a good example for the children then I don't see the problem.

[Sam!]

Originally posted by DamonJ
I'm in mixed minds about this. I'm gay but I would personally love kids, and surely the only way is to adopt, BUT, I wouldn't want the child to be bullied at school for having gay parents and no mother, also I wouldn't like to answer the difficult questions when the kid gets older like "Why don't I have a Mum like everyone else?"

Personally I think it is good for the parents, but it wouldn't benefit the children.

Yeh I agree. It would be good for the parents but not for the children.

[Z]

If a child's overweight, they might get bullied. If they wear glasses, they might get bullied. If they have a funny accent, they might get bullied. But these things aren't a certainty, and neither is the possibility that a child might get bullied because they have gay parents.

So yes, gay couples should be able to adopt. I can really only imagine it getting out of hand when the child is between the ages of say 8-13, where other kids learn what gay is and would maybe treat the child differently. But if there was a large number of gay people having kids, and it was more commonplace, then would that still happen? I don't think so.

It's all circumstantial.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Z
If a child's overweight, they might get bullied. If they wear glasses, they might get bullied. If they have a funny accent, they might get bullied. But these things aren't a certainty, and neither is the possibility that a child might get bullied because they have gay parents.

So yes, gay couples should be able to adopt. I can really only imagine it getting out of hand when the child is between the ages of say 8-13, where other kids learn what gay is and would maybe treat the child differently. But if there was a large number of gay people having kids, and it was more commonplace, then would that still happen? I don't think so.

It's all circumstantial.

Agree totally the bullying argument doesnt stand up

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ukturtle
I have just read the thread about homophobes on here and found you lot to be very interesting, and it got me thinking about something somebody asked me the other day.

Should gay couples be allowed to adopt kids?

wheres the homophobe thread? Im intrigued...I found it:rolleyes:

[GhettoSuperstar]

I think gay people should but obviously under good circumstances. I think things have moved on a lot for people to accept it more and this can be one more step towards it.
I was brought up with just one parent and I wouldn't have it any other way so its just a bonus that someone could have two.
I am gay but tbh I don't think I would adopt just because I don't think I'd make a good parent but a better uncle or whatnot.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by ukturtle
I have just read the thread about homophobes on here and found you lot to be very interesting, and it got me thinking about something somebody asked me the other day.

Should gay couples be allowed to adopt kids?

wheres the homophobe thread? Im intrigued...I found it:rolleyes:


This isn't a homophobic thread (and the one I was referring to, which was ages ago was a thread called 'Homophobia' which was discussing, yes you guessed it, Homophobia')

This is a serious debate thread, intended for discussion on this subject.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by ukturtle
I have just read the thread about homophobes on here and found you lot to be very interesting, and it got me thinking about something somebody asked me the other day.

Should gay couples be allowed to adopt kids?

wheres the homophobe thread? Im intrigued...I found it:rolleyes:


This isn't a homophobic thread (and the one I was referring to, which was ages ago was a thread called 'Homophobia' which was discussing, yes you guessed it, Homophobia')

This is a serious debate thread, intended for discussion on this subject.

yeh I know I meant where was the homophobe one not this one anyway I found it:thumbs:

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by ukturtle
I have just read the thread about homophobes on here and found you lot to be very interesting, and it got me thinking about something somebody asked me the other day.

Should gay couples be allowed to adopt kids?

wheres the homophobe thread? Im intrigued...I found it:rolleyes:


This isn't a homophobic thread (and the one I was referring to, which was ages ago was a thread called 'Homophobia' which was discussing, yes you guessed it, Homophobia')

This is a serious debate thread, intended for discussion on this subject.

yeh I know I meant where was the homophobe one not this one anyway I found it:thumbs:

lol. ok. :wink::love:

[Tom4784]

Originally posted by Z
If a child's overweight, they might get bullied. If they wear glasses, they might get bullied. If they have a funny accent, they might get bullied. But these things aren't a certainty, and neither is the possibility that a child might get bullied because they have gay parents.

So yes, gay couples should be able to adopt. I can really only imagine it getting out of hand when the child is between the ages of say 8-13, where other kids learn what gay is and would maybe treat the child differently. But if there was a large number of gay people having kids, and it was more commonplace, then would that still happen? I don't think so.

It's all circumstantial.

Here Here, People get bullied for all types of reasons, why deny them loving parents because of it? Would they be happier in a children's home? I doubt it.

[Arneldo]

Yes, they should. ust because they are gay - that should not mean they should not be allowed be parents.

[MrGaryy]

As a gay man obviously I would love kids but I wouldn't necessarily say I'm pro gay adoption. It would just be so complicated for everyone involved.

[Tom8592]

Thinking solely about the kid , they would be different and would get teased about it , it might be abit confusing , but at the end of the day alot of kids never get adopted and end up in care so surely its better for them to live in a loving home and have a family than to grow up in an orphanage

and im a straight male btw

[Fom]

If you think of it this way though... if the kid stays in care, he is very likely to get bullied for that aswell. So for that conclusion I think its better they have Gay parents than no parents at all, either way they have chances of getting bullied!

[BB_Eye]

It's not really a matter of debate. People bring up the issue of children getting bullied for having gay parents, but that is the bully's fault and nobody else's. Gay people should have the same rights as anybody else with no exceptions whatsoever.

[woodyanita]

The matter should not be to adopt or not. Gays can also make complete family by having a child. They can also opt to be the real father. For more information on the same you can have a look at

http://www.iwannagetpregnant.com
iwannagetpregnant9@gmail.com

[letmein]

You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

[LemonJam]

Originally posted by letmein
You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

Not really, if it were opinions from the 1800's there would be insults being thrown.

People here are thinking for the kid, including the gay people themselves.

[*mazedsalv**]

I think they deserve the right to adopt.

[letmein]

Originally posted by LemonJam
Originally posted by letmein
You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

Not really, if it were opinions from the 1800's there would be insults being thrown.

People here are thinking for the kid, including the gay people themselves. It is insulting to ask if gays should be allowed to adopt.

There's nothing to think about. These arguments are nonsensical and from another era.

[LemonJam]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by LemonJam
Originally posted by letmein
You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

Not really, if it were opinions from the 1800's there would be insults being thrown.

People here are thinking for the kid, including the gay people themselves. It is insulting to ask if gays should be allowed to adopt.

There's nothing to think about. These arguments are nonsensical and from another era.

So the child getting possibly getting bullied and people having more care for the child than themselves is nonsensical?

[letmein]

Originally posted by LemonJam
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by LemonJam
Originally posted by letmein
You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

Not really, if it were opinions from the 1800's there would be insults being thrown.

People here are thinking for the kid, including the gay people themselves. It is insulting to ask if gays should be allowed to adopt.

There's nothing to think about. These arguments are nonsensical and from another era.

So the child getting possibly getting bullied and people having more care for the child than themselves is nonsensical? Yes.

[Tom]

Originally posted by letmein
You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

I disagree with gay adoption. I also disagree with being gay as a whole. Does that make me a bad person with 1800s views?

(just to clarify I don't have a problem with gay people, its just being gay as a concept itself)

[letmein]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

I disagree with gay adoption. I also disagree with being gay as a whole. Does that make me a bad person with 1800s views?

(just to clarify I don't have a problem with gay people, its just being gay as a concept itself)

That makes you one of the most ignorant, bigoted, backwards people around. Good luck to you. :rolleyes:

[Tom]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

I disagree with gay adoption. I also disagree with being gay as a whole. Does that make me a bad person with 1800s views?

(just to clarify I don't have a problem with gay people, its just being gay as a concept itself)

That makes you one of the most ignorant, bigoted, backwards people around. Good luck to you. :rolleyes:

Personally I think that makes you the ignorant one for failing to accept some people do not have a politically correct view just to please the masses, and for not even knowing the reasonings so automatically putting your own opinions above mine :rolleyes:

[Wildcat!]

OK, this is my take on it. Please dont shoot me! I dont think it should be allowed, because a kid need a mother and a father, male and female, as role models. And I dont necessarily think kids should be raised in a same sex relationship.
On the other hand, there are children that dont find suitable places to be adopted in, so its a dillema really. I mean some kids raised in foster homes, dont feel loved and pretty much feel like tenants. SO I guess at the end of the day, given the circumstances, they should be allowed to adopt.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

I disagree with gay adoption. I also disagree with being gay as a whole. Does that make me a bad person with 1800s views?

(just to clarify I don't have a problem with gay people, its just being gay as a concept itself)

That makes you one of the most ignorant, bigoted, backwards people around. Good luck to you. :rolleyes:

Personally I think that makes you the ignorant one for failing to accept some people do not have a politically correct view just to please the masses, and for not even knowing the reasonings so automatically putting your own opinions above mine :rolleyes:

Bigotry is not a political correctness issue. There is no excuse.

[Magic]

LOL @ Letmeins signature.
Leaves, feeling undecated and lazy.

[Tom]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

I disagree with gay adoption. I also disagree with being gay as a whole. Does that make me a bad person with 1800s views?

(just to clarify I don't have a problem with gay people, its just being gay as a concept itself)

That makes you one of the most ignorant, bigoted, backwards people around. Good luck to you. :rolleyes:

Personally I think that makes you the ignorant one for failing to accept some people do not have a politically correct view just to please the masses, and for not even knowing the reasonings so automatically putting your own opinions above mine :rolleyes:

Bigotry is not a political correctness issue. There is no excuse.

Firstly, I could argue you are the bigot for being intolerant of non politically correct views.

Secondly, my view is not a bigoted view. I'm accepting of gay people and whether people are gay or not does not influence my opinion of them in the slightest. I just disagree with it. There is a huge difference.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

I disagree with gay adoption. I also disagree with being gay as a whole. Does that make me a bad person with 1800s views?

(just to clarify I don't have a problem with gay people, its just being gay as a concept itself)

That makes you one of the most ignorant, bigoted, backwards people around. Good luck to you. :rolleyes:

Personally I think that makes you the ignorant one for failing to accept some people do not have a politically correct view just to please the masses, and for not even knowing the reasonings so automatically putting your own opinions above mine :rolleyes:

Bigotry is not a political correctness issue. There is no excuse.

Firstly, I could argue you are the bigot for being intolerant of non politically correct views.

Secondly, my view is not a bigoted view. I'm accepting of gay people and whether people are gay or not does not influence my opinion of them in the slightest. I just disagree with it. There is a huge difference.

I'll wait to reply to a person who doesn't play the straw man.

[hannah.]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
OK, this is my take on it. Please dont shoot me! I dont think it should be allowed, because a kid need a mother and a father, male and female, as role models. And I dont necessarily think kids should be raised in a same sex relationship.
On the other hand, there are children that dont find suitable places to be adopted in, so its a dillema really. I mean some kids raised in foster homes, dont feel loved and pretty much feel like tenants. SO I guess at the end of the day, given the circumstances, they should be allowed to adopt.

I have to say I agree with this to an extent, but its mainly because of the beliefs of our culture in general. For example, a kid would be bullied at school about it, but only because the other children won't have been taught that it's okay

[Wildcat!]

I dont know Leitman, you can be opposed to gay adoption or same sex relations, without being a biggot. I mean its not like he is campaigning for people to stop being gay. He simply doesnt agree with it. ANd there a grounds for that, which cant be ignored. religion could be a reason, and just personal feeling about it. The main think is to not discriminate against someone who is different, and to be accepting of differences. But you dont have to agree with it!

[letmein]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I dont know Leitman, you can be opposed to gay adoption or same sex relations, without being a biggot.

Dictionary is your friend.

[Tom]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I dont know Leitman, you can be opposed to gay adoption or same sex relations, without being a biggot.

Dictionary is your friend.

You're the biggest bigot in this thread tbh and clearly you're discriminating against people who don't have the same views as you by dismissing them as a bigot :thumbs:

[letmein]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I dont know Leitman, you can be opposed to gay adoption or same sex relations, without being a biggot.

Dictionary is your friend.

You're the biggest bigot in this thread tbh and clearly you're discriminating against people who don't have the same views as you :thumbs:

Thanks. Go burn a cross. :xyxwave:

[Tom]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I dont know Leitman, you can be opposed to gay adoption or same sex relations, without being a biggot.

Dictionary is your friend.

You're the biggest bigot in this thread tbh and clearly you're discriminating against people who don't have the same views as you :thumbs:

Thanks. Go burn a cross. :joker:

... or not. Thats quite disrespectful tbh.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I dont know Leitman, you can be opposed to gay adoption or same sex relations, without being a biggot.

Dictionary is your friend.

Well, thanks for that reply then!

[hannah.]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I dont know Leitman, you can be opposed to gay adoption or same sex relations, without being a biggot.

Dictionary is your friend.

You're the biggest bigot in this thread tbh and clearly you're discriminating against people who don't have the same views as you :thumbs:

Thanks. Go burn a cross. :xyxwave:

that's really horrible and unnecessary.
I'm offended

[letmein]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I dont know Leitman, you can be opposed to gay adoption or same sex relations, without being a biggot.

Dictionary is your friend.

You're the biggest bigot in this thread tbh and clearly you're discriminating against people who don't have the same views as you :thumbs:

Thanks. Go burn a cross. :joker:

... or not. Thats quite disrespectful tbh.

Pot calling the kettle.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by hannah.
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
OK, this is my take on it. Please dont shoot me! I dont think it should be allowed, because a kid need a mother and a father, male and female, as role models. And I dont necessarily think kids should be raised in a same sex relationship.
On the other hand, there are children that dont find suitable places to be adopted in, so its a dillema really. I mean some kids raised in foster homes, dont feel loved and pretty much feel like tenants. SO I guess at the end of the day, given the circumstances, they should be allowed to adopt.

I have to say I agree with this to an extent, but its mainly because of the beliefs of our culture in general. For example, a kid would be bullied at school about it, but only because the other children won't have been taught that it's okay

OH yeah, thats another thing, I hadnt really thoght of that to be honest. But I think kids are pretty well educated about gay relationships these days arent they?
To be honest, I would like to hear from a kid who is raised by gay parents or someone who knows about it, to give an opinion. I think thats the best way to find out, by asking these kids how it is for them!

[letmein]

Originally posted by hannah.
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I dont know Leitman, you can be opposed to gay adoption or same sex relations, without being a biggot.

Dictionary is your friend.

You're the biggest bigot in this thread tbh and clearly you're discriminating against people who don't have the same views as you :thumbs:

Thanks. Go burn a cross. :xyxwave:

that's really horrible and unnecessary.
I'm offended

So am I. This entire thread is offensive, horrible, and unnecessary.

[Tom]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I dont know Leitman, you can be opposed to gay adoption or same sex relations, without being a biggot.

Dictionary is your friend.

You're the biggest bigot in this thread tbh and clearly you're discriminating against people who don't have the same views as you :thumbs:

Thanks. Go burn a cross. :joker:

... or not. Thats quite disrespectful tbh.

Pot calling the kettle.

When was I disrespectful? I said I disagree with being gay, not once did I say I don't have any respect for them etc. If you've read my posts properly you'll see I don't have a problem with the people, its their choice etc and that doesn't alter my opinion of people, I JUST DISAGREE WITH IT!!!

[letmein]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
I dont know Leitman, you can be opposed to gay adoption or same sex relations, without being a biggot.

Dictionary is your friend.

You're the biggest bigot in this thread tbh and clearly you're discriminating against people who don't have the same views as you :thumbs:

Thanks. Go burn a cross. :joker:

... or not. Thats quite disrespectful tbh.

Pot calling the kettle.

When was I disrespectful? I said I disagree with being gay, not once did I say I don't have any respect for them etc. If you've read my posts properly you'll see I don't have a problem with the people, its their choice etc and that doesn't alter my opinion of people, I JUST DISAGREE WITH IT!!! It is not their choice. It is disrespectful to put down gay people for being gay. You "disagree" with their very existence, as though they chose it, or somehow shouldn't be it to begin with. Your comments are backhanded. Replace "gay," with, "Jew" and perhaps you'll get it, but probably not.

Some people just expect people to teach them how to "tie their shoelaces", so to speak. No one really has time to sit you down and explain the very hatefulness of your comments. You either get it, or you don't.

This entire thread is putting forth the question, "do you think we take a person's rights away or not". All people should be treated equally.

[hannah.]

the whole replacing gay with Jew thing is ridiculous. As a Christian I don't believe in what Jews believe in, and therefore disagree with their faith, but not them as individuals
GO FIGURE

[letmein]

Originally posted by hannah.
the whole replacing gay with Jew thing is ridiculous. As a Christian I don't believe in what Jews believe in, and therefore disagree with their faith, but not them as individuals
GO FIGURE

But you're not questioning whether Jews should have the same rights as Christians, correct?

[hannah.]

No, and at no point have I said that gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt, I just think that at this stage, bearing in mind a lot of people's views on it, it's unfair on the children.

[Wildcat!]

It is not their choice. It is disrespectful to put down gay people for being gay. You "disagree" with their very existence, as though they chose it, or somehow shouldn't be it to begin with. Your comments are backhanded. Replace "gay," with, "Jew" and perhaps you'll get it, but probably not.

Some people just expect people to teach them how to "tie their shoelaces", so to speak. No one really has time to sit you down and explain the very hatefulness of your comments. You either get it, or you don't.

This entire thread is putting forth the question, "do you think we take a person's rights away or not". All people should be treated equally.

Wait a minute, so what if you replace gay with Jew? If I am christian I dont agree with Judaism. If I am Muslim, I dont agree with catholicism or Buddism! If I am atheist I dont believe in neither one. Because those religions will be different to the ones I believe in. SO what is your point there? Its actually a good thing you brought that up because its the same thing. We live in a society that tolerates all religions. But we all know that each religion believes their is the one, and the rest arent true. It doesnt make them biggots now does it?

[Tom]

Originally posted by letmein
It is not their choice.

There is no answer to that and there are conflicting arguments. Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing.

It is disrespectful to put down gay people for being gay.

If you read my posts properly you'll see I don't put people down for it. I don't have a problem with gay people whatsoever.

You "disagree" with their very existence, as though they chose it, or somehow shouldn't be it to begin with. Your comments are backhanded. Replace "gay," with, "Jew" and perhaps you'll get it, but probably not.

When did I say that? And the Jew thing is ridiculous. Again, whether its chosen or not is subjective. Being Jewish is not subjective.

Some people just expect people to teach them how to "tie their shoelaces", so to speak. No one really has time to sit you down and explain the very hatefulness of your comments. You either get it, or you don't.

Your comments are actually more hateful than mine IMO and display much more ignorance than even the most hated family in America, who, for your information, I strongly disagree with (before you try and paint a picture in your head of me as one of them).

This entire thread is putting forth the question, "do you think we take a person's rights away or not".

Why should a childs right to have a parent and role model of each sex be removed?

All people should be treated equally.

Correct, including people who don't have an opinion the same as what appears to be the majority.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by letmein
Originally posted by hannah.
the whole replacing gay with Jew thing is ridiculous. As a Christian I don't believe in what Jews believe in, and therefore disagree with their faith, but not them as individuals
GO FIGURE

But you're not questioning whether Jews should have the same rights as Christians, correct?

Thats another story! YOu are calling Tom a Biggot becasue he said he doesnt agree with gay relationships. As far as adoption, well its a debate. Thats why a lot of states, countries, put it to referendum to see if it should be allowed. And you will find that its always about 50/50 as to people's opinions on it!

[letmein]

Originally posted by hannah.
No, and at no point have I said that gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt, I just think that at this stage, bearing in mind a lot of people's views on it, it's unfair on the children.

First of all, I wasn't referring to you. I was responding to, Tom.

Second, you are assuming that children are automatically going to be bullied. That's a "what if?" That's not enough to argue that gays should not be allowed to adopt children. The problem would be society's, not gay's. I could then ask, "Should a Jewish couple adopt a child who was raised Christian?" or, "Should a black couple adopt a white child?" You are allowing a slim minority's bigotry, dictate whether or not people should be allowed to adopt and have families. You've got unwanted children all over the place.

Third, when I said Jew, I meant ethnicity, something no one picks. I was not referring to religion.


"I also disagree with being gay as a whole. "


Replace "gay" with:

"I also disagree with being a Jew as a whole. "

or

"I also disagree with being black as a whole. "


No one chooses these things. That's the point.


And no, not everyone's opinions are equal. The Klu Klux Klan is by all means able to believe whatever they want to believe. But their viewpoints are in fact, wrong. They are not equal, as they are not opinions based on fact, only fear. There is no jury out when it comes to bigotry.

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by letmein
"Should a Jewish couple adopt a child who was raised Christian?" or, "Should a black couple adopt a white child?" You are allowing a slim minority's bigotry, dictate whether or not people should be allowed to adopt and have families. You've got unwanted children all over the place.

Third, when I said Jew, I meant ethnicity, something no one picks. I was not referring to religion.


"I also disagree with being gay as a whole. "


Replace "gay" with:

"I also disagree with being a Jew as a whole. "

or

"I also disagree with being black as a whole. "


No one choose these things. That's the point.

Well a Jewish child woulndt be adopted by non jewish parents!
As for Jewish as ethnicity, well thats old thinking, going back to the nazis. becuse there are jews of a lot of different ethnic backgrounds. Granted the majority are of hebrew origins, there are some that are not, so its not an ethnicity. Just like Muslim is not all arabs!

[Tom]

Originally posted by letmein
First of all, I wasn't referring to you. I was responding to, Tom.

Second, you are assuming that children are automatically going to be bullied. That's a "what if?" That's not enough to argue that gays should not be allowed to adopt children. The problem would be society's, not gay's. I could then ask, "Should a Jewish couple adopt a child who was raised Christian?" or, "Should a black couple adopt a white child?" You are allowing a slim minority's bigotry, dictate whether or not people should be allowed to adopt and have families. You've got unwanted children all over the place.

Third, when I said Jew, I meant ethnicity, something no one picks. I was not referring to religion.


"I also disagree with being gay as a whole. "


Replace "gay" with:

"I also disagree with being a Jew as a whole. "

or

"I also disagree with being black as a whole. "


No one choose these things. That's the point.

Your whole argument relies on whether being gay is chosen or not. There is loads of evidence to suggest that it is in your upbringing and is decided within the first 2 or so years.

[hannah.]

Originally posted by letmein
The Klu Klux Klan is by all means able to believe whatever they want to believe. But their viewpoints are in fact, wrong.

you can't say that.
people have the right to believe in whatever they want to, it's when they act on it when it becomes a problem.
For example, people are totally entitled to believe that everyone should be Aryan, but it's when they act on this that it becomes a serious problem.
Tom and I, and a lot of others are just as entitled to believe that same sex adoptions are wrong as gays are entitled to adopt.

[Jen]

I agree with Gay people adopting...
I know people have concerns for the child, but two gay men or two gay women are perfectly capable of providing an enviornment to raise a child.
Those who question their ability are the people that should be ashamed.
Of course, this debate is very relevant to our society, I see no problem for the child or the parents.. if people weren't ignorant then there would be no controversy.

[Tom]

Originally posted by letmein
The Klu Klux Klan is by all means able to believe whatever they want to believe. But their viewpoints are in fact, wrong.

You think (think being the key word) they are MORALLY wrong. I disagree with them as well but you can't dismiss their views as being wrong as this being a fact.

Views are opinion based and subjective. My view that what the KKK did is wrong is just as valid as their view that they think what they did was right. Neither of us are right and wrong.

[hannah.]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Those who question their ability are the people that should be ashamed.


i'm not disputing their anyone's parenting abilities, I'm not even against it, I just feel that the children could be subjected to bullying, i mean ffs kids are being beaten up for wearing pink, i just think it's too early for our society to deal with

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL
I agree with Gay people adopting...
I know people have concerns for the child, but two gay men or two gay women are perfectly capable of providing an enviornment to raise a child.
Those who question their ability are the people that should be ashamed.
Of course, this debate is very relevant to our society, I see no problem for the child or the parents.. if people weren't ignorant then there would be no controversy.

Again, as much as I hae my reservations, I think I couldnt comletely decide, until I can hear fro children raised in that environment. That should be the best way to judge! But on the whole, I am sure its a 50/50 debate and its never gonna change, unless there is some definite proof that homosexuality is something youre born with! Until then a large portion of people will be against it!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
First of all, I wasn't referring to you. I was responding to, Tom.

Second, you are assuming that children are automatically going to be bullied. That's a "what if?" That's not enough to argue that gays should not be allowed to adopt children. The problem would be society's, not gay's. I could then ask, "Should a Jewish couple adopt a child who was raised Christian?" or, "Should a black couple adopt a white child?" You are allowing a slim minority's bigotry, dictate whether or not people should be allowed to adopt and have families. You've got unwanted children all over the place.

Third, when I said Jew, I meant ethnicity, something no one picks. I was not referring to religion.


"I also disagree with being gay as a whole. "


Replace "gay" with:

"I also disagree with being a Jew as a whole. "

or

"I also disagree with being black as a whole. "


No one choose these things. That's the point.

Your whole argument relies on whether being gay is chosen or not. There is loads of evidence to suggest that it is in your upbringing and is decided within the first 2 or so years.

there is also loads of evidence that it is biological but you've ignored that, either way, anything determined as a 2 year old is not exactly a Choice

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by hannah.
Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Those who question their ability are the people that should be ashamed.


i'm not disputing their anyone's parenting abilities, I'm not even against it, I just feel that the children could be subjected to bullying, i mean ffs kids are being beaten up for wearing pink, i just think it's too early for our society to deal with

People get bullied for all sorts of reasons doesnt mean they should hide themselves away in shame, its the bullies with the problem to be tackled not the other way round. If you want an equal society then people have to have the same rights.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
The Klu Klux Klan is by all means able to believe whatever they want to believe. But their viewpoints are in fact, wrong.

You think (think being the key word) they are MORALLY wrong. I disagree with them as well but you can't dismiss their views as being wrong as this being a fact.

Views are opinion based and subjective. My view that what the KKK did is wrong is just as valid as their view that they think what they did was right. Neither of us are right and wrong.

Well if we all went round not saying some things are wrong then we'd have allsorts of human rights abuses going on. Their view is not based on fact it is based on ignorance and fear. We live in a society that uses logic and reasoning to determine what is right and wrong, if you have no evidence to back up your beliefs then you are ignorant and in some cases a danger to humanity

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by letmein
You may as well ask, "Should black people be able to adopt."

For people that say they are "split," what century are you living in? I can't believe how ignorant people are. The UK has a long way to go if they are still asking if gays should be allowed to adopt. lol.

I feel like I'm reading opinions from the 1800s. :yuk:

I disagree with gay adoption. I also disagree with being gay as a whole. Does that make me a bad person with 1800s views?

(just to clarify I don't have a problem with gay people, its just being gay as a concept itself)

yes it does. being gay isnt a choice either

"A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term to describe a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices, especially when these views are either challenged, or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable."

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

Your whole argument relies on whether being gay is chosen or not. There is loads of evidence to suggest that it is in your upbringing and is decided within the first 2 or so years.

there is also loads of evidence that it is biological but you've ignored that, either way, anything determined as a 2 year old is not exactly a Choice [/quote]

I haven't ignored it, I'm just saying that the whole argument about the Jew thing rests on whether it is natural or if its learnt- neither for which there is conclusive evidence.

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well if we all went round not saying some things are wrong then we'd have allsorts of human rights abuses going on. Their view is not based on fact it is based on ignorance and fear. We live in a society that uses logic and reasoning to determine what is right and wrong, if you have no evidence to back up your beliefs then you are ignorant and in some cases a danger to humanity

Thats not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying you cannot state your opinion as a fact.

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

yes it does. being gay isnt a choice either

"A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term to describe a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices, especially when these views are either challenged, or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable."

Clearly to draw the bigot card you haven't read my further posts. I'm not intolerant. I don't have a problem with gay people. I just don't approve of being gay :thumbs:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Well your prejudice is not based on any facts and make no mistake it is prejudice whether you go round bashing gays or not. Do you seriously think Gay people CHOOSE to be Gay, whether it is conditioning or biological, it starts way to early for there to be any choice about it! My opinion is based on evidence whether conclusive or not, there is evidence. Why do you have a dissaproving attitude towards Gay people? What evidence do you have to support that?

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Well your prejudice is not based on any facts and make no mistake it is prejudice whether you go round bashing gays or not. Do you seriously think Gay people CHOOSE to be Gay, whether it is conditioning or biological, it starts way to early for there to be any choice about it! My opinion is based on evidence whether conclusive or not, there is evidence. Why do you have a dissaproving attitude towards Gay people? What evidence do you have to support that?

I don't think they choose to be gay, I'm just not convinced you're born with it just as I'm not convinced its social conditioning.

My reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right. Thats all. Its just something I can't really help. But as I say whether someone is or not doesn't bother me, its not my business to get involved with its up to them what they want to do with their lives. I'll still talk to gay people just as I would anyone else and it won't change my opinion of them (some gay people on here could probably back me up on that), its just the actual concept that I disagree with. But then again it doesn't affect me so I'm not too bothered about it.

I don't have anti-gay views if thats how I come across, I'm not actively campaigning for the banning of gay rights or anything like that :joker:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Well your prejudice is not based on any facts and make no mistake it is prejudice whether you go round bashing gays or not. Do you seriously think Gay people CHOOSE to be Gay, whether it is conditioning or biological, it starts way to early for there to be any choice about it! My opinion is based on evidence whether conclusive or not, there is evidence. Why do you have a dissaproving attitude towards Gay people? What evidence do you have to support that?

I don't think they choose to be gay, I'm just not convinced you're born with it just as I'm not convinced its social conditioning.

My reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right. Thats all. Its just something I can't really help. But as I say whether someone is or not doesn't bother me, its not my business to get involved with its up to them what they want to do with their lives. I'll still talk to gay people just as I would anyone else and it won't change my opinion of them (some gay people on here could probably back me up on that), its just the actual concept that I disagree with. But then again it doesn't affect me so I'm not too bothered about it.

I don't have anti-gay views if thats how I come across, I'm not actively campaigning for the banning of gay rights or anything like that :joker:

No I didnt think you were at all lol. I do think your clinging onto an opinion against a lifestyle with no reason other than other people have said it. An outdated ideology from a different time and place says it, thats no reason to still hold that view.

[ange7]

Tom ... the problem is your being wishy washy and vague. It's all blurry and "shades of gray". You say you have nothing against gays but you think what they do is wrong and your against their lifestyle?. Is that what you think?... these arguments are mutually exclusive. Please just pick ONE... not both.

ps on topic ... roughly 1 in 10 people are gay ... statistic show that whether they are raised in a gay or a straight household the percentage is still the same. So that suggests that a child is equally likey of being gay when parented by straight parents or gay parent ie has no effect... it's genetic.
Tom your line

"Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing."

is a lie ...

[ange7]

Tom :"reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right"

this isn't "reasoning". You know that right. There's no logical point made here.

[NettoSuperstar!]

"Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing."

Wow I missed that line

How do you explain Alan Carr?

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

No I didnt think you were at all lol. I do think your clinging onto an opinion against a lifestyle with no reason other than other people have said it. An outdated ideology from a different time and place says it, thats no reason to still hold that view.

I do agree ... but dropping a view is easier said than done tbh.

Originally posted by ange7
Tom ... the problem is your being wishy washy and vague. It's all blurry and "shades of gray". You say you have nothing against gays but you think what they do is wrong and your against their lifestyle?. Is that what you think?... these arguments are mutually exclusive. Please just pick ONE... not both.

I'm not against gays in the slightest. I don't agree with being gay. Huge difference. Think about it. Other people seem to be able to grasp that concept.

Originally posted by ange7
Tom :"reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right"

this isn't "reasoning". You know that right. There's no logical point made here.

Obviously you aren't religious in the slightest and don't come from a religious background. But thats a whole other debate.

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
"Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing."

Wow I missed that line

How do you explain Alan Carr?

:shrug:

I never came up with that I'm just saying its a theory, just as you are born with it is also a theory.

[NettoSuperstar!]

"I'm not against gays in the slightest. I don't agree with being gay. Huge difference. Think about it. Other people seem to be able to grasp that concept."

What is it you dont agree with exactly?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
"Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing."

Wow I missed that line

How do you explain Alan Carr?

:shrug:

I never came up with that I'm just saying its a theory, just as you are born with it is also a theory.

Learning and upbringing isnt really the argument, there is arguments that something that might happen to you when you are young (Out of your control) could influence your sexual orientation in later life, but I find the biological argument to be stronger.

[Tom]

Oh its just going around in circles and its just the same points to different people. Its just pointless now so just agree to disagree on this one.

Anyway about gay adoption ........

[ange7]

"I'm not against gays in the slightest. I don't agree with being gay. Huge difference. Think about it. Other people seem to be able to grasp that concept."


Wow that was a vey cheap shot. ... very unchristian of you....your pretty rude. I'm saying you CAN'T hold those 2 views at the same time.... the idea that your NOT against gays while at the same time saying your don't agree with their lifestyle. They are mutually exclusive ideas.... understand? ... yes there is a "Huge difference" ... that's the point... it's an insurmountable difference.,


ps I am religious I'm Greek Orthodox ... please don't act as though you have the upper hand in an argument because your somehow " closer to god". Can't belive you just played the jesus card. That's really tacky. These debates are about logic. You explanation ""reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right" doesn't tell me your religious... tells me your narrow minded you are.

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
"I'm not against gays in the slightest. I don't agree with being gay. Huge difference. Think about it. Other people seem to be able to grasp that concept."


Wow that was a vey cheap shot. ... very unchristian of you....your pretty rude. I'm saying you CAN'T hold those 2 views at the same time.... the idea that your NOT against gays while at the same time saying your don't agree with their lifestyle. They are mutually exclusive ideas.... understand? ... yes there is a "Huge difference" ... that's the point... it's an insurmountable difference.,

There is a difference. Go and have a long hard think. Its perfectly possible to not agree with something but at the same time not care less.

ps I am religious I'm Greek Orthodox ... please don't act as though you have the upper hand in an argument because your somehow " closer to god". Can't belive you just played the jesus card. That's really tacky.

I never said that and now you are just putting words into my mouth.

You explanation ""reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right" doesn't tell me your religious... tells me your narrow minded you are.

So what if thats my explanation? Am I not allowed to hold views that don't agree with the masses? And why should I have to explain myself anyway? Also that explanation doesn't lead to me being "closer to god" :rolleyes: Call me narrow minded whatever, that can easily be turned back around because it takes a narrow minded person to not be able to accept the views of others. Think about it :thumbs:

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
Oh its just going around in circles and its just the same points to different people. Its just pointless now so just agree to disagree on this one.

Anyway about gay adoption ........
no we won't agree to disagree .... that assumes you actually brought an argument to this debate that went deeper than.." well my church tells me how to think so there!!....".

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
Oh its just going around in circles and its just the same points to different people. Its just pointless now so just agree to disagree on this one.

Anyway about gay adoption ........
no we won't agree to disagree .... that assumes you actually brought an argument to this debate that went deeper than.." well my church tells me how to think so there!!....".

Again, putting words into my mouth. Where did I say that? I said religious background, not "I'm religious therefore its wrong". Huge difference yet again but you fail to see that.

[ange7]

lol think about it hehe is that what you said ... from the the person that gave us
"Its perfectly possible to not agree with something but at the same time not care less. " . .. WHAT??!!? brain like scrammbled eggs
"why should I have to explain myself anyway"
lol
because your arguing your point of view mate!!!! that's exactly when you need to explain your argument.

"Obviously you aren't religious in the slightest and don't come from a religious background. But thats a whole other debate."

So obvious?? lol your wrong ... so what other "views" do you hold that are just as "obvious" to you.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
Oh its just going around in circles and its just the same points to different people. Its just pointless now so just agree to disagree on this one.

Anyway about gay adoption ........
no we won't agree to disagree .... that assumes you actually brought an argument to this debate that went deeper than.." well my church tells me how to think so there!!....".

Again, putting words into my mouth. Where did I say that? I said religious background, not "I'm religious therefore its wrong". Huge difference yet again but you fail to see that.
your words .... your mouth
"reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right"

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
Oh its just going around in circles and its just the same points to different people. Its just pointless now so just agree to disagree on this one.

Anyway about gay adoption ........
no we won't agree to disagree .... that assumes you actually brought an argument to this debate that went deeper than.." well my church tells me how to think so there!!....".

Again, putting words into my mouth. Where did I say that? I said religious background, not "I'm religious therefore its wrong". Huge difference yet again but you fail to see that.
your words .... your mouth
"reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right"

Which doesn't translate as what you claim. How do you know I'm even religious? How do you not know I just have those views because of my upbringing?

To be honest I just can't be bothered arguing with you now- you're twisting everything and its going around in circles.

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Tom
Oh its just going around in circles and its just the same points to different people. Its just pointless now so just agree to disagree on this one.

Anyway about gay adoption ........
no we won't agree to disagree .... that assumes you actually brought an argument to this debate that went deeper than.." well my church tells me how to think so there!!....".

Again, putting words into my mouth. Where did I say that? I said religious background, not "I'm religious therefore its wrong". Huge difference yet again but you fail to see that.
your words .... your mouth
"reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right"

Which doesn't translate as what you claim. How do you know I'm even religious? How do you not know I just have those views because of my upbringing?

To be honest I just can't be bothered arguing with you now- you're twisting everything and its going around in circles.
yes because I'm the bad guy that twist words around .... boo hoo ... go stick your head back in the sand.... and good luck with your stuggle with your sexual identity. I'm presuming this is why you so full on about it this topic all the time. :xyxwave:

[30stone]

Think i'd prefer a mother and father...

[Tom]

I'm perfectly comfortable thanks :spin2:, and before you edited out the "you're boring bit", talk about the pot calling the kettle black :joker::pat:

[NettoSuperstar!]

"So what if thats my explanation? Am I not allowed to hold views that don't agree with the masses? And why should I have to explain myself anyway? Also that explanation doesn't lead to me being "closer to god" Call me narrow minded whatever, that can easily be turned back around because it takes a narrow minded person to not be able to accept the views of others. Think about it"

It is narrow minded to hold a view that has no evidence in support of it and not accept over whelming evidence against it

[ange7]

Forget it netto ...logic slides off this guy like water off a ducks back.

[Red Moon]

Can we all calm down a bit, start talking about the topic more and less about each other.

I don't want to have to close the topic, edit posts out or give out warnings.

Remember the rules - don't insult other members.

Red

[NettoSuperstar!]

Jesus also said "Seek the truth and it shall be given to you, keep on seeking and knocking on doors" (or words to that effect)...Not "heres the bible have done with the seeking bit! and just swallow whats written here till the end of time"

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
Forget it netto ...logic slides off this guy like water off a ducks back.

:pat:

[Red Moon]

Like I said...... start talking about the topic more and less about each other.

I don't want to have to close the topic, edit posts out or give out warnings.

Red

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Think i'd prefer a mother and father...

Yeh but only cos thats what your used to now, you probably wouldnt care if thats what you'd known all your life if they were lovin/good parents. Better than being with an abusive family or in care for a start

[ange7]

you seem to have missed my earlier post ...

ps on topic ... roughly 1 in 10 people are gay ... statistic show that whether they are raised in a gay or a straight household the percentage is still the same. So that suggests that a child is equally likey of being gay when parented by straight parents or gay parent ie has no effect... it's genetic.
Tom your line
"Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing."
is this a lie from you? did you just make this up?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Toms dissaproval of gays/gays adopting comes from what people told him when he was growing up and the bible.

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7
you seem to have missed my earlier post ...

ps on topic ... roughly 1 in 10 people are gay ... statistic show that whether they are raised in a gay or a straight household the percentage is still the same. So that suggests that a child is equally likey of being gay when parented by straight parents or gay parent ie has no effect... it's genetic.
Tom your line
"Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing."
is this a lie from you? did you just make this up?

Its not genetic don't you mean?

But anyway the thing about up bringing is a true theory. Some psychologists believe that your upbringing and social conditioning can have an effect on your sexuality, and its something decided in the very early years before you can make a conscious choice.

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Toms dissaproval of gays/gays adopting comes from what his parents taught him and the bible.

How irrelevant :rolleyes:

Parents aren't religious and neither am I. If you're going to pass opinions like that at least get your facts straight but I'm not going to go into my personal life. And no I'm not contradicting myself and changing my story before people say that.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Toms dissaproval of gays/gays adopting comes from what his parents taught him and the bible.

How irrelevant :rolleyes:

Parents aren't religious and neither am I. If you're going to pass opinions like that at least get your facts straight but I'm not going to go into my personal life. And no I'm not contradicting myself and changing my story before people say that.

thats the reasons you gave

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Toms dissaproval of gays/gays adopting comes from what his parents taught him and the bible.

How irrelevant :rolleyes:

Parents aren't religious and neither am I. If you're going to pass opinions like that at least get your facts straight but I'm not going to go into my personal life. And no I'm not contradicting myself and changing my story before people say that.

thats the reasons you gave

I didn't say parents. I said upbringing. You're implying I said that.

[NettoSuperstar!]

"My reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right." Tom

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Toms dissaproval of gays/gays adopting comes from what his parents taught him and the bible.

How irrelevant :rolleyes:

Parents aren't religious and neither am I. If you're going to pass opinions like that at least get your facts straight but I'm not going to go into my personal life. And no I'm not contradicting myself and changing my story before people say that.

thats the reasons you gave

I didn't say parents. I said upbringing. You're implying I said that.

Whatever your just being pedantic, it doesnt really matter who told you, people did

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Toms dissaproval of gays/gays adopting comes from what his parents taught him and the bible.

How irrelevant :rolleyes:

Parents aren't religious and neither am I. If you're going to pass opinions like that at least get your facts straight but I'm not going to go into my personal life. And no I'm not contradicting myself and changing my story before people say that.

thats the reasons you gave

I didn't say parents. I said upbringing. You're implying I said that.

Whatever your just being pedantic, it doesnt really matter who told you, people did

I'm not being pedantic, I'm just saying what you are trying to pass off as a fact is wrong.

Being a smart a*se and reading into things doesn't always work.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Toms dissaproval of gays/gays adopting comes from what his parents taught him and the bible.

How irrelevant :rolleyes:

Parents aren't religious and neither am I. If you're going to pass opinions like that at least get your facts straight but I'm not going to go into my personal life. And no I'm not contradicting myself and changing my story before people say that.

thats the reasons you gave

I didn't say parents. I said upbringing. You're implying I said that.

Whatever your just being pedantic, it doesnt really matter who told you, people did

I'm not being pedantic, I'm just saying what you are trying to pass off as a fact is wrong.

Being a smart a*se and reading into things doesn't always work.

It doesnt matter who it was it has no relavence to the argument whoever bought you up to believe that has no logic either. And you are being pedantic

[NettoSuperstar!]

Ive edited it to make you happy

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

It doesnt matter who it was it has no relavence to the argument whoever bought you up to believe that has no logic either. And you are being pedantic

If it doesn't have relevance then why imply I said that and why bring it up? I'm not being pedantic, I'm just correcting you.

[30stone]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Think i'd prefer a mother and father...

Yeh but only cos thats what your used to now, you probably wouldnt care if thats what you'd known all your life if they were lovin/good parents. Better than being with an abusive family or in care for a start

This is true, and to be honest, no one on here can really comment on having gay parents unless they have them.

Because without having gay parents we dont know what they are like so for everyone to make judgement is a bit off...

[ange7]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
you seem to have missed my earlier post ...

ps on topic ... roughly 1 in 10 people are gay ... statistic show that whether they are raised in a gay or a straight household the percentage is still the same. So that suggests that a child is equally likey of being gay when parented by straight parents or gay parent ie has no effect... it's genetic.
Tom your line
"Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing."
is this a lie from you? did you just make this up?

Its not genetic don't you mean?

But anyway the thing about up bringing is a true theory. Some psychologists believe that your upbringing and social conditioning can have an effect on your sexuality, and its something decided in the very early years before you can make a conscious choice.
No mate...I mean what exactly what I wrote ... it IS genetic. That's pretty much what we've been aruging about the whole timw .... you just pick on that did you? hehe

" Some psychologists believe that your upbringing and social conditioning can have an effect on your sexuality, and its something decided in the very early years before you can make a conscious choice."
Sorry that's not even remoely true ... show me your source... I've never heard that one...... unless by "some psychologists " you mean the psychologists at your local church.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!

It doesnt matter who it was it has no relavence to the argument whoever bought you up to believe that has no logic either. And you are being pedantic

If it doesn't have relevance then why imply I said that and why bring it up? I'm not being pedantic, I'm just correcting you.

Because Im saying your reasoning is illogical, doesnt matter whether it was your parents or the next door neighbour, its all prejudice based on nothing logical

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Think i'd prefer a mother and father...

Yeh but only cos thats what your used to now, you probably wouldnt care if thats what you'd known all your life if they were lovin/good parents. Better than being with an abusive family or in care for a start

This is true, and to be honest, no one on here can really comment on having gay parents unless they have them.

Because without having gay parents we dont know what they are like so for everyone to make judgement is a bit off...

I know two people bought up by Lesbians and theyve never had any great problems

[ange7]

"I'm not being pedantic, I'm just correcting you."
OMG
sorry I'm out nighty night

[NettoSuperstar!]

lol

[30stone]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 30stone
Think i'd prefer a mother and father...

Yeh but only cos thats what your used to now, you probably wouldnt care if thats what you'd known all your life if they were lovin/good parents. Better than being with an abusive family or in care for a start

This is true, and to be honest, no one on here can really comment on having gay parents unless they have them.

Because without having gay parents we dont know what they are like so for everyone to make judgement is a bit off...

I know two people bought up by Lesbians and theyve never had any great problems

Then they are the sort of people that know whats its like and can judge weather right or wrong.

though i know every one will still have opinion on this.

[Tom]

Originally posted by ange7

No mate...I mean what exactly what I wrote ... it IS genetic. That's pretty much what we've been aruging about the whole timw .... you just pick on that did you? hehe

There is no proof to say it is genetic, more evidence points away from that. If you're born gay then its nothing to do with genes. Its something else.

" Some psychologists believe that your upbringing and social conditioning can have an effect on your sexuality, and its something decided in the very early years before you can make a conscious choice."
Sorry that's not even remoely true ... show me your source... I've never heard that one...... unless by "some psychologists " you mean the psychologists at your local church.

For starters I don't have a local church and I don't go.

If psychologists didn't believe it then there wouldn't be a huge nature v nurture debate around it. Just because you disagree doesn't mean you can dismiss it as being false :thumbs:

[NettoSuperstar!]

In 1991 LeVay published a controversial paper in the journal Science that described an anatomical difference between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men.

In his seminar, LeVay described his own work and that of other researchers who give nature their vote in the nature versus nurture debate. LeVay referred to studies of separately-raised twins that suggest that sexual orientation has a genetic component.

[NettoSuperstar!]

"There is no proof to say it is genetic, more evidence points away from that. If you're born gay then its nothing to do with genes. Its something else. "

Wrong, plenty of new research to suggest there are differences in biological make up of /gay people. Social factors may play a part but that doesnt mean if you are bought up in a gay family you will turn out gay, thats rubbish

[Tom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
"There is no proof to say it is genetic, more evidence points away from that. If you're born gay then its nothing to do with genes. Its something else. "

Wrong, plenty of new research to suggest there are differences in biological make up of /gay people

Genetic often refers to something passed down. I'm not doubting the biological make up at all.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
"There is no proof to say it is genetic, more evidence points away from that. If you're born gay then its nothing to do with genes. Its something else. "

Wrong, plenty of new research to suggest there are differences in biological make up of /gay people

Genetic often refers to something passed down. I'm not doubting the biological make up at all.

well theres not evidence of a gay gene as such but there are probably biological/genetic differences that make someone more likely to be gay

[NettoSuperstar!]

But the clear focus of sexual-orientation research has shifted to biological causes, and there hasn't been much science produced to support the old theories tying homosexuality to upbringing.

[Jackie]

I know a gay couple who live together they adopted a teenage boy now he's gay.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by jackie46
I know a gay couple who live together they adopted a teenage boy now he's gay.

Well thats the upbringing theory proven! lol. Well my 2 lesbians didnt bring up lesbians my 2 cancel out your one haha

[letmein]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7
you seem to have missed my earlier post ...

ps on topic ... roughly 1 in 10 people are gay ... statistic show that whether they are raised in a gay or a straight household the percentage is still the same. So that suggests that a child is equally likey of being gay when parented by straight parents or gay parent ie has no effect... it's genetic.
Tom your line
"Psychologists think you learn it and its in your upbringing."
is this a lie from you? did you just make this up?

Its not genetic don't you mean?

But anyway the thing about up bringing is a true theory. Some psychologists believe that your upbringing and social conditioning can have an effect on your sexuality, and its something decided in the very early years before you can make a conscious choice.

No, "psychologists" believe that. Only Right wing nutters. All evidence supports that it's genetic. The majority of gays were brought up in heterosexual households, and they weren't molested, or any other theory that came out of the 1950s when they used to play that homosexuals were pedophiles.

[letmein]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
"My reasoning is that I come from quite a religious background and its just something I've always been told isn't right." Tom

Busted. :laugh:

[letmein]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by ange7

No mate...I mean what exactly what I wrote ... it IS genetic. That's pretty much what we've been aruging about the whole timw .... you just pick on that did you? hehe

There is no proof to say it is genetic, more evidence points away from that. If you're born gay then its nothing to do with genes. Its something else.


Nope, most evidence supports just the opposite.

"If you're born gay then its nothing to with genes."

Uh, being born a certain way, is genetics, my friend. Yeesh.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Tom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
"There is no proof to say it is genetic, more evidence points away from that. If you're born gay then its nothing to do with genes. Its something else. "

Wrong, plenty of new research to suggest there are differences in biological make up of /gay people

Genetic often refers to something passed down. I'm not doubting the biological make up at all.

Biological make up IS GENETICS.

[letmein]

Originally posted by jackie46
I know a gay couple who live together they adopted a teenage boy now he's gay.

You can't turn someone gay.

If they did, he would be dating women. :laugh2:

[ange7]

mahahahaha!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Theres no evidence of a gay gene as such but genetics are obviously involved in the biological make up of a person. I think it makes sense from an evolutionary perspective for there to be more gay people in a rapidly expanding population. for the human race to survive we need to have enough resources for everyone. Its nature man

[NettoSuperstar!]

So adoption yes! IVF nooo

[letmein]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
So adoption yes! IVF nooo What is IVF?

[NettoSuperstar!]

messing with eggs and sperm outside the womb then putting it back...and I wasnt being serious, Id rather people had kids through IVF that really want them than the scum who pop em out like they just dont care, then they just dont care

[Kornetto]

Yeah i think they should be allowed to adopt. But the thing is the child might get bullied cause her/his parents is gay.

[letmein]

Originally posted by Kornetto
Yeah i think they should be allowed to adopt. But the thing is the child might get bullied cause her/his parents is gay.

Then that's a societal problem that should be dealt with.

[andyman]

Yes, it should never be an issue.

[Sunny_01]

I cant see why gay couples should not be allowed to adopt. Someone said that kids of gay couples could be bullied at school, surely thats the same as kids of fat parents, kids of people who dont conform to the norm in terms of dress code etc. not sure that bullying is a good argument for not being allowed to adopt.

I think anyone that can provide a loving, nurturing home should be allowed to adopt.

[Z]

Originally posted by jackie46
I know a gay couple who live together they adopted a teenage boy now he's gay.

Interesting point - without passing comment on whether his upbringing with them affected his sexuality - surely gay parents are better equipped to help teenagers come to terms with their own homosexuality? It doesn't always have to be a bad thing, a child coming out as gay "because" they have gay parents.

[Dom:D]

Originally posted by Chewy
Yes they should be allowed to adopt

[acidburn08]

No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

[Spike]

I fail to see a reason why to be against the gay people adopting

[acidburn08]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people
I'm just making a point, that they'll be more and more gays..
That aint what nature wanted, otherwise it would give women a penis too :L

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by acidburn08
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people
I'm just making a point, that they'll be more and more gays..
That aint what nature wanted, otherwise it would give women a penis too :L

i'm not even going to try. :rolleyes:

[acidburn08]

Suit yourself.

[Wildcat!]

LMAO! YOu cannot be serious with these comments acidbur08! BUt I have a feeling you are.
Anyways, not that I am an expert, but apparently, youre equally likely to be a homosexual, regardless of your parents sexual orientation. SO that point dont hold up!
I would rather kids be raised by straight parents because lets face it, that is the norm. But there are a lot of different situations these days. Kids raised by single parents(nothing wrong with that, but not ideal), or parents that are unfit (As in they are abussive, substance abuse etc..., or financially limited). SO Imo, they should be allowed to adopt if its a better situation for the kid.

[acidburn08]

I'm dead serious :L

[Spike]

Originally posted by acidburn08
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people
I'm just making a point, that they'll be more and more gays..
That aint what nature wanted, otherwise it would give women a penis too :L
But how would it increase the population of gay people?

[acidburn08]

Because the chances of the adopted person being gay is higher?

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by acidburn08
Because the chances of the adopted person being gay is higher?

WTF?!
No it's not, at all.
Just because someone grows up in a gay environment does not sway their sexuality, at all.

[acidburn08]

Well say for eg you're 2 years old and get raised by a farmer, the chances of you being a farmer is higher since you would know more about farming than other things, its the same with gays

[Spike]

Originally posted by acidburn08
Because the chances of the adopted person being gay is higher?

So because someone has gay parents that means they will turn out gay?
No, people who have straight parents don't always turn out straight
People who have gay parents are only going to be a lot more open minded on issues such as sexuality which could lead them to experimenting sexually but thats down to how the person is brought up by any parents not the sexuality of those parents.

[acidburn08]

Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by acidburn08
Because the chances of the adopted person being gay is higher?

So because someone has gay parents that means they will turn out gay?
No, people who have straight parents don't always turn out straight
People who have gay parents are only going to be a lot more open minded on issues such as sexuality which could lead them to experimenting sexually but thats down to how the person is brought up by any parents not the sexuality of those parents.
I never said they will, I just said the chances of them would be higher.

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by acidburn08
Well say for eg you're 2 years old and get raised by a farmer, the chances of you being a farmer is higher since you would know more about farming than other things, its the same with gays

Since when has being gay been a physical activity, a job? A hobby?
They're totally different, and have no similarities at all all.
You're seriously making yourself look like an ignorant idiot here.

[Spike]

Originally posted by acidburn08
Originally posted by Spike
Originally posted by acidburn08
Because the chances of the adopted person being gay is higher?

So because someone has gay parents that means they will turn out gay?
No, people who have straight parents don't always turn out straight
People who have gay parents are only going to be a lot more open minded on issues such as sexuality which could lead them to experimenting sexually but thats down to how the person is brought up by any parents not the sexuality of those parents.
I never said they will, I just said the chances of them would be higher.
Still the same argument, the chances wouldn't be higher at all
The only chance is that the children will grow up more open minded and comfortable with all types of people and I would rather see a nation on open minded people brought up by gay people rather than ignorant people brought up by straight people

[acidburn08]

Wow that hurts. It doesn't need to be a job, maybe the one adopted sees his parents like..You know.. And then he starts to prefer..Well idk, Its hard to explain :D

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by acidburn08
Wow that hurts. It doesn't need to be a job, maybe the one adopted sees his parents like..You know.. And then he starts to prefer..Well idk, Its hard to explain :D

So just because a child sees his gay adopted parents engaging in sexual activity, turns him homosexual and makes him prefer males? OMFG do me a favour, really. You're argument is seriously making no sense at all, &your grasping at straws to keep your argument afloat.

GROWING UP IN A GAY COMMUINITY DOES NOT TURN YOU GAY, END OF STORY! :rolleyes:

[acidburn08]

I never said it did, I just said the chances were higher..

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by acidburn08
I never said it did, I just said the chances were higher..

BUT THE CHANCES ARE NOT HIGHER
And don't compare it to farming again :tongue: LMFAO

[Spike]

Originally posted by acidburn08
I never said it did, I just said the chances were higher..

Why don't you just leave this argument along because with every post your making yourself look even more of an idiot

[30stone]

This study has been widely quoted to prove that children raised by gay parents are not more likely to become gay themselves. The authors acknowledge their results demonstrate that young adults are more likely to consider trying out and actually engaging in homosexual relationships.

However, they say their analysis of the results do not support the idea that the actual sexual orientation of children is significantly different based on having a lesbian mother.

What i just read so more likely to experiment with gay parents but results show having gay parents generally wont change a childs sexual oriantation.

[acidburn08]

Oh, sorry, would you prefer me to compare it to baking?

[Wildcat!]

there is no need to be rude. HE is just putting forth his opinion on the matter! YOure not gonna shut him down by calling him an idiot!
Someone told me that it doesnt make it any higher of a chance of being gay. However, I havent seen any statistics to prove that. I have even tried to research it! Its not crazy for someone to assume that a childs sexuality will be influenced by his parents. I would personally think that it does. BUt I dont have any facts to back it up!

[Jack]

I can't believe at how many ignorant forum members there are.

The most important thing for a child is having a stable, loving family. If the parents happen to be gay, so what? The bullying argument doesn't really stand in my opinion. Yes, kids will bully anyone who is "different". If gay adoption was freely accepted, in time it would move away from this stigma. It's similar to when divorce was a lot less common. 20 years ago, a child would have been bullied for having separated parents, but nowadays children wouldn't even acknowledge it.

[acidburn08]

Yeah, well these days some kids get laughed at for wearing glasses.. Just proves what type of world we live in. But laughing at someone for having gay parents.. Well yea, they probably would bully them :(

[Kate..]

Yes!

[Indierock&roll]

yes of course

[Saph]

id love to be adopted by 2 gay men :D it would be so fun

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by acidburn08
Yeah, well these days some kids get laughed at for wearing glasses.. Just proves what type of world we live in. But laughing at someone for having gay parents.. Well yea, they probably would bully them :(

you cant use the bullying as a arguement esp comparing it to kids who get laughed at for wearing glasses that certainly not a 'these days' thing i got it for having glasses over 15 yrs ago people will always unfortunaly be bullied for any little thing that makes them different that could be hair colour body size sexuality for wearing glasses i could go on and on and on listing them but i wont and i cant see how the bullying can be used as a reason as to why gay people cant adopt as long as they bring the child with all the love and care they care give what does it matter on the sexuality of them

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by mkdfan
I think its up the the couple if they want to, I'm gay and I would never adopt altho I'm only 18 so i dunno if I would in the future.

I wouldn't want the child to be bullied when they are school because of it, kids are cruel and could ruin their lives.

The question wasn't if every gay couple SHOULD adopt. Of course it's up to the individuals themselves.
They're asking if they should be ALLOWED. And in my opinion, no they should not

[Ross]

Yes they should be allowed.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

[Fom]

Reading other peoples comments, I change my decision on this. I think they should, my only negative was the child would be bullied, but to be fair. Kids get bullied for everything these days!

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by 30stone
[quote]This study has been widely quoted to prove that children raised by gay parents are not more likely to become gay themselves. The authors acknowledge their results demonstrate that young adults are more likely to consider trying out and actually engaging in homosexual relationships.

However, they say their analysis of the results do not support the idea that the actual sexual orientation of children is significantly different based on having a lesbian mother.

Because these 'studies' are oh so reliable?

[Fom]

I don't think what happens in your life has anything to do with if your gay or not, its something you are born with! If thats the case why aren't all the kids of straight people straight? Why do some turn out gay? Thats a stupid thing to say!

[Ross]

I agree with Fom.

But be honest... if any of you had the chance you'd love to have a Lesbian couple as your parents. Half of you are so narrow-minded it's unreal.

Note: This is to people saying that if you have gay parents you'd turn out gay.

[andyman]

The child would grow up with the idea of what not to wear..

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

Yeh a minority,around 1 in 10! Do you realise how many people are straight these days?? And gays taking over the world.....hahhhahah get back to school u fool....there appears to be some gaping holes in your education!

[Fom]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

Yeh a minority,around 1 in 10! Do you realise how many people are straight these days?? And gays taking over the world.....hahhhahah get back to school u fool....there appears to be some gaping holes in your education!

Actually there is a theory going round that about 90% of the population are a little bit Bisexual, just a lot of them are not willing to discover it. Most people have flirted with the same sex, and I bet nearly everyone in this forum has had a moment where they have gone 'ooo he/she is fit' in their heads.
I personally don't even believe there is any straight people in the world. Just very very stubborn people who refuse to believe it. There have been bisexual people around for longer than we can ever think of. Its totally natural, Shakespeare was rumored to be bisexual.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

Yeh a minority,around 1 in 10! Do you realise how many people are straight these days?? And gays taking over the world.....hahhhahah get back to school u fool....there appears to be some gaping holes in your education!

Actually there is a theory going round that about 90% of the population are a little bit Bisexual, just a lot of them are not willing to discover it. Most people have flirted with the same sex, and I bet nearly everyone in this forum has had a moment where they have gone 'ooo he/she is fit' in their heads.
I personally don't even believe there is any straight people in the world. Just very very stubborn people who refuse to believe it. There have been bisexual people around for longer than we can ever think of. Its totally natural, Shakespeare was rumored to be bisexual.

yeh latent bisexuality...yer know maybe...but gay people taking over the world haha...most people have a preference either way, anyway mostly in the hetero direction

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

Yeh a minority,around 1 in 10! Do you realise how many people are straight these days?? And gays taking over the world.....hahhhahah get back to school u fool....there appears to be some gaping holes in your education!

Did i say they were taking over the world.....er NO!
Gaping holes in my education? I'm halfway through my degree level! I think someone had bad influences growing up, not very good manners.

[doriens]

Its Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve!

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

Yeh a minority,around 1 in 10! Do you realise how many people are straight these days?? And gays taking over the world.....hahhhahah get back to school u fool....there appears to be some gaping holes in your education!

Did i say they were taking over the world.....er NO!
Gaping holes in my education? I'm halfway through my degree level! I think someone had bad influences growing up, not very good manners.

Rite on mate, but you seem a little ignorant of some basic facts. So why exactly do you think gay people shouldnt adopt? You have plenty of extreme opinions on things but no reasons to back them up from what I see. Doesnt bode well for your degree level studies

[30stone]

Originally posted by doriens
Its Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve!

:laugh3:

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by doriens
Its Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve!

hmm yah case closed then!

[ange7]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

Yeh a minority,around 1 in 10! Do you realise how many people are straight these days?? And gays taking over the world.....hahhhahah get back to school u fool....there appears to be some gaping holes in your education!

Did i say they were taking over the world.....er NO!
Gaping holes in my education? I'm halfway through my degree level! I think someone had bad influences growing up, not very good manners.

Rite on mate, but you seem a little ignorant of some basic facts. So why exactly do you think gay people shouldnt adopt? You have plenty of extreme opinions on things but no reasons to back them up from what I see. Doesnt bode well for your degree level studies
Careful Netto!!...when marsho8 says he's halfway through his degree level does he mean one of these
http://www.flangewizard.com/assets/images/ni5.jpg
.....half way up his butt :P

[NettoSuperstar!]

lol@flange wizard tools

[doriens]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by doriens
Its Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve!

hmm yah case closed then!


Indeed .. end of thread :thumbs:

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by doriens
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by doriens
Its Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve!

hmm yah case closed then!


Indeed .. end of thread :thumbs:


I think not.


Just because it was Adam and eve.. Tut tut.


So if it was a choice between a child goint to a Gay couple who could financially support it, love it and give it everything it needs or a Straight couple who couldn't support it, would neglect it and not properly care for it, you would still give the child to the Straight couple?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by ukturtle
Originally posted by doriens
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by doriens
Its Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve!

hmm yah case closed then!


Indeed .. end of thread :thumbs:


I think not.


Just because it was Adam and eve.. Tut tut.


So if it was a choice between a child goint to a Gay couple who could financially support it, love it and give it everything it needs or a Straight couple who couldn't support it, would neglect it and not properly care for it, you would still give the child to the Straight couple?

I wouldnt waste your time Uk theres no reasoning with some people!

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

Yeh a minority,around 1 in 10! Do you realise how many people are straight these days?? And gays taking over the world.....hahhhahah get back to school u fool....there appears to be some gaping holes in your education!

Did i say they were taking over the world.....er NO!
Gaping holes in my education? I'm halfway through my degree level! I think someone had bad influences growing up, not very good manners.

Rite on mate, but you seem a little ignorant of some basic facts. So why exactly do you think gay people shouldnt adopt? You have plenty of extreme opinions on things but no reasons to back them up from what I see. Doesnt bode well for your degree level studies

How old are you? You sound very immature. Basic facts? this is an opinions thread. Are you familiar with the term? Just because i don't think gays should be allowed to adopt.
Not everyone has the same opinions as you you know.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

Yeh a minority,around 1 in 10! Do you realise how many people are straight these days?? And gays taking over the world.....hahhhahah get back to school u fool....there appears to be some gaping holes in your education!

Did i say they were taking over the world.....er NO!
Gaping holes in my education? I'm halfway through my degree level! I think someone had bad influences growing up, not very good manners.

Rite on mate, but you seem a little ignorant of some basic facts. So why exactly do you think gay people shouldnt adopt? You have plenty of extreme opinions on things but no reasons to back them up from what I see. Doesnt bode well for your degree level studies
Careful Netto!!...when marsho8 says he's halfway through his degree level does he mean one of these
http://www.flangewizard.com/assets/images/ni5.jpg
.....half way up his butt :P

How long did it take you to find that picture and come up with your 'clever' little joke. (what a waste of a life)

[MarkWaldorf]

Absolutely.

If there are couples who abuse their children and are still able to take care of them, why shouldn't a gay couple who would provide that child with love not?

[SiaSiaSia]

yes

[ange7]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

Yeh a minority,around 1 in 10! Do you realise how many people are straight these days?? And gays taking over the world.....hahhhahah get back to school u fool....there appears to be some gaping holes in your education!

Did i say they were taking over the world.....er NO!
Gaping holes in my education? I'm halfway through my degree level! I think someone had bad influences growing up, not very good manners.

Rite on mate, but you seem a little ignorant of some basic facts. So why exactly do you think gay people shouldnt adopt? You have plenty of extreme opinions on things but no reasons to back them up from what I see. Doesnt bode well for your degree level studies
Careful Netto!!...when marsho8 says he's halfway through his degree level does he mean one of these
http://www.flangewizard.com/assets/images/ni5.jpg
.....half way up his butt :P

How long did it take you to find that picture and come up with your 'clever' little joke. (what a waste of a life)

"degree level" google image search... it was the first pic.

awwwww marsh08 has his angry face on. hehehe... here's the u2u he just sent to me.... wow!!

"
Who the **** do you think you are?
Talking to people like you think your better just because they don't have the same opinions as you.
Get your head out of your **** and grow up.
How old are you for gods sake?
"


mate your hilarious...as well as being a homophobe. Don't send me me any random U2Us ... oh and when you tried to impress us by saying that you were "half way through your degree level"....didn't you realise how toolish that sounded?.
ps I didn't know the ponds institute had a degree program.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

Yeh a minority,around 1 in 10! Do you realise how many people are straight these days?? And gays taking over the world.....hahhhahah get back to school u fool....there appears to be some gaping holes in your education!

Did i say they were taking over the world.....er NO!
Gaping holes in my education? I'm halfway through my degree level! I think someone had bad influences growing up, not very good manners.

Rite on mate, but you seem a little ignorant of some basic facts. So why exactly do you think gay people shouldnt adopt? You have plenty of extreme opinions on things but no reasons to back them up from what I see. Doesnt bode well for your degree level studies
Careful Netto!!...when marsho8 says he's halfway through his degree level does he mean one of these
http://www.flangewizard.com/assets/images/ni5.jpg
.....half way up his butt :P

How long did it take you to find that picture and come up with your 'clever' little joke. (what a waste of a life)

"degree level" google image search... it was the first pic.

awwwww marsh08 has his angry face on. hehehe... here's the u2u he just sent to me.... wow!!

"
Who the **** do you think you are?
Talking to people like you think your better just because they don't have the same opinions as you.
Get your head out of your **** and grow up.
How old are you for gods sake?
"


mate your hilarious...as well as being a homophobe. Don't send me me any random U2Us ... oh and when you tried to impress us by saying that you were "half way through your degree level"....didn't you realise how toolish that sounded?.
ps I didn't know the ponds institute had a degree program.

Try to impress you? Hardly
I was backing up a point that i had no holes in my education, as you implied. Just because i didn't agree that gay couples should adopt. (I don't agree with homosexuality, i don't hate them)

[Jen]

Yes they should.
I'm right, everyone else is wrong.
Shut up. Thread over.

[WATERS]

Naaaa

[bronaaaa]

Can't remember if I've posted in this thread already, but anyway, of course they should, a child shouldn't be deprived of adopted parents, just because their gay. And if the biological parents couldn't look after the child, and a gay person could, both the child child and the gay person should be given the chance :thumbs:

[Jen]

Originally posted by WATERS
Naaaa


Do not argue with me... "WATERS"


:pat:

[30stone]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Yes they should.
I'm right, everyone else is wrong.
Shut up. Thread over.

I say when a thread / argument ends...




nnnow.

Over Ben Wins, as always.

[Jen]

Originally posted by Robin-Van-Perfect
Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Yes they should.
I'm right, everyone else is wrong.
Shut up. Thread over.

I say when a thread / argument ends...




nnnow.

Over Ben Wins, as always.

BITCH PUH-LEASE.


Don't make me touch you there again. :lovedup:

[DamonJ]

Originally posted by 08marsh

Try to impress you? Hardly
I was backing up a point that i had no holes in my education, as you implied. Just because i didn't agree that gay couples should adopt. (I don't agree with homosexuality, i don't hate them)

What the **** is there to agree with though?! It's a natural thing, it does not hurt anybody & it's not offensive. You not agreeing with it is retarded, because it's a natural occurance and you my friend, are just plain ignorant.

[30stone]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Originally posted by Robin-Van-Perfect
Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Yes they should.
I'm right, everyone else is wrong.
Shut up. Thread over.

I say when a thread / argument ends...




nnnow.

Over Ben Wins, as always.

BITCH PUH-LEASE.


Don't make me touch you there again. :lovedup:

But i liked it :lovedup:

Ily <3 you cant threaten me :sad: I don't want to have make you scream again.... yet..


Thread closed Ben still wins. ^-^

[WATERS]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Originally posted by WATERS
Naaaa


Do not argue with me... "WATERS"


:pat:

Sorry "JDIZZEL"

:sad:

[arista]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh

Try to impress you? Hardly
I was backing up a point that i had no holes in my education, as you implied. Just because i didn't agree that gay couples should adopt. (I don't agree with homosexuality, i don't hate them)

What the **** is there to agree with though?! It's a natural thing, it does not hurt anybody & it's not offensive. You not agreeing with it is retarded, because it's a natural occurance and you my friend, are just plain ignorant.



Something bothers Marsh
about Gays.

Buy he does say he does not Hate them

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh

Try to impress you? Hardly
I was backing up a point that i had no holes in my education, as you implied. Just because i didn't agree that gay couples should adopt. (I don't agree with homosexuality, i don't hate them)

What the **** is there to agree with though?! It's a natural thing, it does not hurt anybody & it's not offensive. You not agreeing with it is retarded, because it's a natural occurance and you my friend, are just plain ignorant.

Excuse me, but who are you to question my beliefs and opinions.
I don't ridicule you or anyone else for your opinions which oppose mine. Did i say it has hurt anyone.
You must be pretty retarded yourself if someone else's opinion pisses you off and upsets you this much. You have serious problems if you get worked up over someone not agreeing with you.

[Locke.]

In short: No.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by arista
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by 08marsh

Try to impress you? Hardly
I was backing up a point that i had no holes in my education, as you implied. Just because i didn't agree that gay couples should adopt. (I don't agree with homosexuality, i don't hate them)

What the **** is there to agree with though?! It's a natural thing, it does not hurt anybody & it's not offensive. You not agreeing with it is retarded, because it's a natural occurance and you my friend, are just plain ignorant.



Something bothers Marsh
about Gays.

Buy he does say he does not Hate them

Yes that's right i don't hate gays.
I just don't agree with the way they live.
(Judging by DamonJ's reaction anyone would think i'd proclaimed Hitler as my hero)

[30stone]

Originally posted by David
In short: No.

Love the honesty! lol

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by David
In short: No.

Watch out! You'll be branded a ****** for not agreeing
DamonJ gets crazy if you don't agree.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by NettoSuperstar!
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by DamonJ
Originally posted by acidburn08
No offense to gays but i'd say no..
Imagion that, their gay son/daughter meets another gay and they adopt, and on and on and on.. Gays will take over the world!!

if that was an attempt at humour
you offensive failed
and come across as ignorant.

just a tip
don't try to be funny with a topic which is sensitive to a minority of people

MINORITY? Wow, do you not realise just how many people are gay or bisexual nowadays?

Yeh a minority,around 1 in 10! Do you realise how many people are straight these days?? And gays taking over the world.....hahhhahah get back to school u fool....there appears to be some gaping holes in your education!

Did i say they were taking over the world.....er NO!
Gaping holes in my education? I'm halfway through my degree level! I think someone had bad influences growing up, not very good manners.

Rite on mate, but you seem a little ignorant of some basic facts. So why exactly do you think gay people shouldnt adopt? You have plenty of extreme opinions on things but no reasons to back them up from what I see. Doesnt bode well for your degree level studies

How old are you? You sound very immature. Basic facts? this is an opinions thread. Are you familiar with the term? Just because i don't think gays should be allowed to adopt.
Not everyone has the same opinions as you you know.

Yeh some of us think its important to back your opinions up with facts...or you look like an ignorant bigot!

[Jen]

Originally posted by 08marsh
How old are you? You sound very immature. Basic facts? this is an opinions thread. Are you familiar with the term? Just because i don't think gays should be allowed to adopt.
Not everyone has the same opinions as you you know.

Everyone can have an opinion, but disagreeing with something so strongly without a reason... thats immature.
Maybe you should drop the degree and pick up some useful people skills...

[GhettoSuperstar]

Yes gay adoption should be allowed because...

A) There is no real reason for it not to happen. Just a bunch of 'what if's and 'maybe's.

B) The only thing standing in the way is narrow minded people who should have nothing to do with the way a gay person lives their life. E.g. why the hell should a straight person say that a gay couple can't adopt, it's insane.

Oh and I love the old line 'I don't agree with homosexuality' coming from a straight person. Well, you don't have to agree with it because you have jack all to do with it, sado.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Originally posted by 08marsh
How old are you? You sound very immature. Basic facts? this is an opinions thread. Are you familiar with the term? Just because i don't think gays should be allowed to adopt.
Not everyone has the same opinions as you you know.

Everyone can have an opinion, but disagreeing with something so strongly without a reason... thats immature.
Maybe you should drop the degree and pick up some useful people skills...

Can you not read all of a sudden?
I gave my reasons in an earlier post. So, read before butting in ok.
I don't think homosexuality is right full stop.
Which is why i'm against gay marriages as well as adoption.

(btw are you still running the degree joke. Get a life)

[GhettoSuperstar]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Originally posted by 08marsh
How old are you? You sound very immature. Basic facts? this is an opinions thread. Are you familiar with the term? Just because i don't think gays should be allowed to adopt.
Not everyone has the same opinions as you you know.

Everyone can have an opinion, but disagreeing with something so strongly without a reason... thats immature.
Maybe you should drop the degree and pick up some useful people skills...

Can you not read all of a sudden?
I gave my reasons in an earlier post. So, read before butting in ok.
I don't think homosexuality is right full stop.
Which is why i'm against gay marriages as well as adoption.

Not gay? No say.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Originally posted by 08marsh
How old are you? You sound very immature. Basic facts? this is an opinions thread. Are you familiar with the term? Just because i don't think gays should be allowed to adopt.
Not everyone has the same opinions as you you know.

Everyone can have an opinion, but disagreeing with something so strongly without a reason... thats immature.
Maybe you should drop the degree and pick up some useful people skills...

Can you not read all of a sudden?
I gave my reasons in an earlier post. So, read before butting in ok.
I don't think homosexuality is right full stop.
Which is why i'm against gay marriages as well as adoption.

Not gay? No say.

That's like saying you can't have your opinion on abortion because it has **** all to do with you.

[GhettoSuperstar]

Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Originally posted by 08marsh
How old are you? You sound very immature. Basic facts? this is an opinions thread. Are you familiar with the term? Just because i don't think gays should be allowed to adopt.
Not everyone has the same opinions as you you know.

Everyone can have an opinion, but disagreeing with something so strongly without a reason... thats immature.
Maybe you should drop the degree and pick up some useful people skills...

Can you not read all of a sudden?
I gave my reasons in an earlier post. So, read before butting in ok.
I don't think homosexuality is right full stop.
Which is why i'm against gay marriages as well as adoption.

Not gay? No say.

That's like saying you can't have your opinion on abortion because it has **** all to do with you.

I can have an opinion on whatever I like but when it comes to the action of changing things when it has nothing to do with me then who am I to say what to do and what not to do. Same with small minded straight people on gay rights.

[Jake!]

Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by GhettoSuperstar
Originally posted by 08marsh
Originally posted by JDIZZEL
Originally posted by 08marsh
How old are you? You sound very immature. Basic facts? this is an opinions thread. Are you familiar with the term? Just because i don't think gays should be allowed to adopt.
Not everyone has the same opinions as you you know.

Everyone can have an opinion, but disagreeing with something so strongly without a reason... thats immature.
Maybe you should drop the degree and pick up some useful people skills...

Can you not read all of a sudden?
I gave my reasons in an earlier post. So, read before butting in ok.
I don't think homosexuality is right full stop.
Which is why i'm against gay marriages as well as adoption.

Not gay? No say.

That's like saying you can't have your opinion on abortion because it has **** all to do with you.

I can have an opinion on whatever I like but when it comes to the action of changing things when it has nothing to do with me then who am I to say what to do and what not to do. Same with small minded straight people on gay rights.

I'm not telling gay people what not and what to do.
I'm simply giving my opinion on it

[Marsh.]

Originally posted by Jake!
Everyone has a right to adopt, gay or not, because its all down to the quality of parent. Gay people would go through the same tests and checks as straight people, if they pass all that and they're fit enough then yes of course they should be able to. What would you rather not allow a kid to be adopted by a gay couple and leave em with a hard life in care? If you do then personally your vile.

There are plenty normal people out there to adopt kids.

[NettoSuperstar!]

...an opinion based on ignorance and prejudice