Should Gay Couples Be Allowed To Adopt?

[Niall]

No, of course not. They are not a man and woman and add to that carrying on a sexual perversion.

What a backwards point of view.

So your saying that if I had a partner and we were both financially able, responsible, good people that we wouldn't be aloud to have adopt a child because its 'sexually perverse'?

:bored:

[BB_Eye]

No, of course not. They are not a man and woman and add to that carrying on a sexual perversion.
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[Stu]

:joker:

[ElProximo]

What a backwards point of view.

No, it is a progressive point of view.

So your saying that if I had a partner and we were both financially able, responsible, good people that we wouldn't be aloud to have adopt a child because its 'sexually perverse'?



Yes, of course that is what I am saying. Historically, this is the understanding of most human beings, cultures and civilizations around the planet. In many countries today you would not only be prevented from adopting children but have your children taken away from you and then you and your sex partner put in jails or mental institutions.

Now I don't agree with all that but I do agree my homosexual friends who say it is clearly a perverted 'sex fetish' and a nasty sort of underground kink and certainly not a 'parallel' to normal married people.

Other problems are the obvious lack of a mother and father. We have enough single parents proving that this is the less ideal way to raise a child. These women or single parent men (without homosexuality) often have brothers and friends and room mates.
It doesn't become better because the single parent is having gay sex with their friends.
Its still a child being raised without either a mother or a father.

Other concerns are that a number of homosexual males would like to adopt young men and then raise them as tailor-made sex partners and have what I saw described as 'twink sex servants'. Custom raised to serve the specific sex fetishes of the 'parents'.

All of these views are very common and typical in UK and Western Culture. Don't pretend like you are 'surprised' or act like this is somehow 'backward'. This is a very common opinion.
Worldwide its easily a majority opinion and yours the aberrant 80s 'gay agenda' propaganda opinion is the 'weird idea' in that context.

[lostalex]

http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4072496/HURRR-DURRR-ADAM-AND-EVE-NOT-ADAM-AND-STEVE.jpg?imageSize=Large&generatorName=Asinine-America

ummm, you do realize that the Great White North = CANADA right?

FAIL. :nono:

[Niall]

No, it is a progressive point of view.



Yes, of course that is what I am saying. Historically, this is the understanding of most human beings, cultures and civilizations around the planet. In many countries today you would not only be prevented from adopting children but have your children taken away from you and then you and your sex partner put in jails or mental institutions.

Now I don't agree with all that but I do agree my homosexual friends who say it is clearly a perverted 'sex fetish' and a nasty sort of underground kink and certainly not a 'parallel' to normal married people.

Other problems are the obvious lack of a mother and father. We have enough single parents proving that this is the less ideal way to raise a child. These women or single parent men (without homosexuality) often have brothers and friends and room mates.
It doesn't become better because the single parent is having gay sex with their friends.
Its still a child being raised without either a mother or a father.

Other concerns are that a number of homosexual males would like to adopt young men and then raise them as tailor-made sex partners and have what I saw described as 'twink sex servants'. Custom raised to serve the specific sex fetishes of the 'parents'.

All of these views are very common and typical in UK and Western Culture. Don't pretend like you are 'surprised' or act like this is somehow 'backward'. This is a very common opinion.
Worldwide its easily a majority opinion and yours the aberrant 80s 'gay agenda' propaganda opinion is the 'weird idea' in that context.

I'm sorry but you cannot in any way shape or form label this point of view as progressive. Its wrong.

First of all, you are making a sweeping generalisation that most of us gays want kids for sexual things. You could not be more wrong. I certainly one day would like to have a family and kids. Why should I be prevented from that if I have been a good citizen because some other people like you have warped ideas about us? Thats absurd.

Secondly, gay couples are proven to be, (on the whole) more financially stable than straight couples which means that a gay couple could be able to provide a better quality of life for an adopted child. Surely if a couple could provide a better life for a child that it would make sense for the child to go with them gay or not.

Thirdly I have not ever heard of homosexual couples with fetishes about raising children to be their 'sex slaves'. I certainly would never dream of doing that and I'm sure most other gay guys/girls on here would agree with me. I don't know how you can base your argument on such a crazy rumour like that.

Lastly, it has been proven on several TV shows and studies that show children who grow up in the care of a gay couple grow into happy, well adjusted kids. You can't just write off a set of parents just because they're gay. Thats wrong and prejudiced.

Parenting is about how the parent acts not about who they are. If you are a good parent then the kid will be fine. Just because I'm gay doesn't entail that I will raise the child badly just like being straight doesn't entail the child will be raised well either.

[lostalex]

The vast majority of pedophilia occurs in heterosexual households, with FATHERS, UNCLES and GRANDFATHERS molesting their own DAUGHTERS, NIECES, and GRANDAUGHTERS. That's a fact.

Infact heterosexual men, put even catholic priests to shame.

But of course we only ever hear about catholic priests, never about the normal hetero male molesting his own daughter.

The press does young girls a huge disservice, they make a HUGE deal every time a BOY is molested by a priest, but when a little GIRL is being terrorized by her own family, no one pays attention.

It's very *******ed up. twisted world.

[Benjamin]

No, it is a progressive point of view.



Yes, of course that is what I am saying. Historically, this is the understanding of most human beings, cultures and civilizations around the planet. In many countries today you would not only be prevented from adopting children but have your children taken away from you and then you and your sex partner put in jails or mental institutions.

Now I don't agree with all that but I do agree my homosexual friends who say it is clearly a perverted 'sex fetish' and a nasty sort of underground kink and certainly not a 'parallel' to normal married people.

Other problems are the obvious lack of a mother and father. We have enough single parents proving that this is the less ideal way to raise a child. These women or single parent men (without homosexuality) often have brothers and friends and room mates.
It doesn't become better because the single parent is having gay sex with their friends.
Its still a child being raised without either a mother or a father.

Other concerns are that a number of homosexual males would like to adopt young men and then raise them as tailor-made sex partners and have what I saw described as 'twink sex servants'. Custom raised to serve the specific sex fetishes of the 'parents'.

All of these views are very common and typical in UK and Western Culture. Don't pretend like you are 'surprised' or act like this is somehow 'backward'. This is a very common opinion.
Worldwide its easily a majority opinion and yours the aberrant 80s 'gay agenda' propaganda opinion is the 'weird idea' in that context.

You are kidding right? :bored:

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

this thread :joker:

[Benjamin]

I know this article is from January but I've only just read it:

Barnardo's urge gay and single adoption in Wales
More gay and single people of both sexes in Wales are being urged by a charity to adopt children.

Barnardo's Cymru has revealed that of 230 children adopted in Wales in 2009-2010, only 15 went to single people and five to same sex couples.

Its director Yvonne Rodgers said society must challenge the idea that gay parents are "second best".

But a survey suggests one in three people in Wales believe gay couples make worse parents than heterosexuals.

The same poll showed almost one in four people do not think a single man is as "capable" of being an adoptive parent as a single woman.

Around 5,162 children are currently within the care system in Wales.

Data from the Department for Children Schools and Families (DCSF) shows that only 25% of children with hopes of being adopted ever find a family.

But Barnado's says there is "no room for discrimination by society" when it comes to potential adopters and the needs of children.


"We cannot afford to discourage potential adopters as it is severely diminishing the chances of securing loving, stable homes for the children who are waiting”
Yvonne Rodgers

Ms Rogers said: "Society's attitudes play a pivotal role in discouraging some people from considering adoption.

"The idea that gay parents are second best must be challenged, as is the notion that it is only couples who can adopt or foster a child.

"We cannot afford to discourage potential adopters as it is severely diminishing the chances of securing loving, stable homes for the children who are waiting."

She called for an urgent debate on the issue to "dispel" myths surrounding how sexuality, race, marital status and gender affect parenting skills.

The charity launches its annual fostering and adoption week on Monday and is urging all people regardless of their cultural background, marital status, sexuality, or whether they are single or in a relationship to consider adoption or fostering.


They said a lot of people were unaware that the laws surrounding gay adoption had changed.

"There is nothing we can't offer a child that a heterosexual couple can. Love is love at the end of the day.

"We live next door to a couple who didn't see how two men adopting would work for a child but once we spoke to them and told them how we felt and what we could offer the children it really changed their view and now they are excited for us."

Information supplied by Barnardo's
Gay adoption is opposed by some members of the Catholic community, who believe it runs contrary to the Church's teachings on marriage and family life.

When the Equality Act became law in April 2007 in England, Wales and Scotland, it banned discrimination against homosexual people in the provision of goods and services, which incorporated adoption agencies.

The Church lost a battle against the introduction of the Sexual Orientations Regulations, under the Equality Act, which forced all agencies to consider gay couples as potential adoptive parents.

Catholic adoption agencies were given a 21-month transition period to comply with the new rules, which ended in December 2008.

Some changed their policies while others opted to close.

William Johnson of Catholic Voices, a group which represents the views of the Catholic church, said: "While respecting the rights of gay people, the Catholic church is concerned about the ultimate good of the child.

"The view of the church would be that the best environment for the child to be brought up would be with a mother and father.

"This is obviously a big issue and a number of Catholic adoption agencies have had to close because of new legislation."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12316712

[Ninastar]

It doesn't bother me, I'm all for it. At the end of the day if they are parents who are going to raise their kids to the best of their ability then I have no problem with it.

[CharlieO]

the thing is, the only reason people would get bullied for it is that it is not the norm and people have prejudice against it. its the same what happened for black people, people need to fight for it and the rest of us just need to accept it because if gay couples dont adopt because of the fear of that child being bullied then it will never change. people need to stand up and not stop fighting because everyone deserves to be treated equally.

the more it happens the less people will care so, the more people who grow up with gay parents the less likely people will get bullied because of it.

[Angus]

No, it is a progressive point of view.



Yes, of course that is what I am saying. Historically, this is the understanding of most human beings, cultures and civilizations around the planet. In many countries today you would not only be prevented from adopting children but have your children taken away from you and then you and your sex partner put in jails or mental institutions.

Now I don't agree with all that but I do agree my homosexual friends who say it is clearly a perverted 'sex fetish' and a nasty sort of underground kink and certainly not a 'parallel' to normal married people.

Other problems are the obvious lack of a mother and father. We have enough single parents proving that this is the less ideal way to raise a child. These women or single parent men (without homosexuality) often have brothers and friends and room mates.
It doesn't become better because the single parent is having gay sex with their friends.
Its still a child being raised without either a mother or a father.

Other concerns are that a number of homosexual males would like to adopt young men and then raise them as tailor-made sex partners and have what I saw described as 'twink sex servants'. Custom raised to serve the specific sex fetishes of the 'parents'.

All of these views are very common and typical in UK and Western Culture. Don't pretend like you are 'surprised' or act like this is somehow 'backward'. This is a very common opinion.
Worldwide its easily a majority opinion and yours the aberrant 80s 'gay agenda' propaganda opinion is the 'weird idea' in that context.



This has to be the most ignorant post I have ever read. What on earth makes you think that a gay man is also a paedophile, and worse, that he wants kids just to have future sex partners?

I really hope that this post is just a wind up, because I cannot believe anyone would hold such bigoted and unsubstantiated views in this day and age.

[Shaun]

Just one of many such posts unfortunately, angus :( he's a bit wacky that one.

[MTVN]

Yeah, thankfully havent seen El Proximo around in a while.

[Benjamin]

Yeah, thankfully havent seen El Proximo around in a while.

It's been a while now.

[Novo]

El Proximo :joker:

[Niall]

El Proximo is wrong in the head. D:

[Angus]

El Proximo is wrong in the head. D:

That's putting it mildly!

[Liberty4eva]

Personally, if I was a kid I would not want gay parents. I'm also a naturalist, I suppose, and if it couldn't happen in nature then I'm inclined to not be in favor of it.

It's complicated but ya know if we made it illegal for gay couples to adopt it wouldn't stop them from having children. If they really really really want a child, what's stopping them from sucking it up and having a child with a member of the opposite sex?

[cub]

It's rather homophobic to have the opinion that gays should not be able to adopt of course. :)

We either have equal rights or we don't. By denying gays adoption rights we cannot have equal rights with straight people.

It's all quite simple.

[Vicky.]

It's complicated but ya know if we made it illegal for gay couples to adopt it wouldn't stop them from having children. If they really really really want a child, what's stopping them from sucking it up and having a child with a member of the opposite sex?

:rolleyes:

[Zippy]

If they really really really want a child, what's stopping them from sucking it up and having a child with a member of the opposite sex?

wat?!!

dear me

[Benjamin]

Personally, if I was a kid I would not want gay parents. I'm also a naturalist, I suppose, and if it couldn't happen in nature then I'm inclined to not be in favor of it.

It's complicated but ya know if we made it illegal for gay couples to adopt it wouldn't stop them from having children. If they really really really want a child, what's stopping them from sucking it up and having a child with a member of the opposite sex?

You are kidding right? If gay guys had sex with members of the opposite sex, then this debate wouldn't exist.

[cub]

You are kidding right? If gay guys had sex with members of the opposite sex, then this debate wouldn't exist.

Who is the gay male celbrity that's just done that? Is it Clay Aiken?

[CharlieO]

yea

[cub]

I understand some want to adopt kids but from the kids point of view is it not better to have a male and female role model and a bit of dare i say it "normality" in their home life?
When i say normality i mean have a mum and a dad, they have been through care or whatever and schools tough as it is, let alone when you have 2 dads instead of a mum and a dad

Why is it better?

There are lots of Widows bringing up small children alone? Is that not 'normality'?

[Benjamin]

Why is it better?

There are lots of Widows bringing up small children alone? Is that not 'normality'?

Exactly what I was going to say.

[Niall]

That's putting it mildly!

I know right! :joker:

[Niall]

It's complicated but ya know if we made it illegal for gay couples to adopt it wouldn't stop them from having children. If they really really really want a child, what's stopping them from sucking it up and having a child with a member of the opposite sex?

Christ in heaven above. :shocked:

Maybe because many gays don't like the idea of intercourse with the opposite sex? You might want to look up the word homosexual in the dictionary. D:

[Grimnir]

If they are a mature and responsible gay couple who have been together for a good number of years and you know they would be loving parents then yes they should be able to adopt children from foster care.
If it was a young gay couple in early 20s who have only been together a few months, go out on piss every weekend and had many relationships and not responsible then 100% NO.
The foster care agencies should decide case by case same as they do for any other couple straight or gay.

[cub]

If they are a mature and responsible gay couple who have been together for a good number of years and you know they would be loving parents then yes they should be able to adopt children from foster care.

What about a straight couple applying to that rule too?

Why should a gay couple have to prove they are any more responsible than a straight couple?

What are you suggesting about gay couples?

[Shaun]

What about a straight couple applying to that rule too?

Why should a gay couple have to prove they are any more responsible than a straight couple?

What are you suggesting about gay couples?

What are you suggesting about straight couples? That it's easier to adopt than it is to fill out a library card application form? Grimnir's merely pointing out the same kind of procedures and standards that adoption agencies look for in all couples, he's not suggesting that dem gayz have to prove something extra.

[MTVN]

What about a straight couple applying to that rule too?

Why should a gay couple have to prove they are any more responsible than a straight couple?

What are you suggesting about gay couples?

Why on earth did you not the quote the bit which answers your very question - the guy clearly said "The foster care agencies should decide case by case same as they do for any other couple straight or gay".

You seem very keen to insinuate that people are being homophobic

[Zippy]

I think its right to question the nature of the couples relationship and how long theyve been together. The last thing an unwanted child needs is to be thrown into an unstable home where there could be more drama and disruption. They need stability. A lot of gay couples do not have that. Straight couples too.

[Mr XcX]

Yes.

[letmein]

I think its right to question the nature of the couples relationship and how long theyve been together. The last thing an unwanted child needs is to be thrown into an unstable home where there could be more drama and disruption. They need stability. A lot of gay couples do not have that. Straight couples too.

:rolleyes:

[Zippy]

:rolleyes:

wut?

this a debate forum

[letmein]

wut?

this a debate forum

And your point is?

[Zippy]

And your point is?

:sleep:

oh piss off

[Benjamin]

I think its right to question the nature of the couples relationship and how long theyve been together. The last thing an unwanted child needs is to be thrown into an unstable home where there could be more drama and disruption. They need stability. A lot of gay couples do not have that. Straight couples too.

I'm glad you added the straight couples bit, was about to go off on one.

[MusicMan]

I haven't read the rest of the thread (22 pages is a mission) but I'm just gonna throw in my penny's worth

I think gay couples have all the right to adopt and although there is the issue that the child may face bullying at school for this and may develop psychological problems etc etc, this is a far better solution to have the child raised in a stable and loving home environment as opposed to an orphanage or with parents who are for example drug takers, which would probably lead to a lot more serious psychological problems!

And to put it bluntly, most children get bullied at one stage or another about so many different things, the issue is not to give in to the homophobes and the ignorant people, it's to tackle the bullying. Gay parents adopting in my opinion is more than fair on the child in my opinion if it means that the child is going to get a better life than if they stayed orphaned - it's the same with single / straight parents.

That's my contribution! :spin:

[Benjamin]

I haven't read the rest of the thread (22 pages is a mission) but I'm just gonna throw in my penny's worth

I think gay couples have all the right to adopt and although there is the issue that the child may face bullying at school for this and may develop psychological problems etc etc, this is a far better solution to have the child raised in a stable and loving home environment as opposed to an orphanage or with parents who are for example drug takers, which would probably lead to a lot more serious psychological problems!

And to put it bluntly, most children get bullied at one stage or another about so many different things, the issue is not to give in to the homophobes and the ignorant people, it's to tackle the bullying. Gay parents adopting in my opinion is more than fair on the child in my opinion if it means that the child is going to get a better life than if they stayed orphaned - it's the same with single / straight parents.

That's my contribution! :spin:

Probably one of the most sensible opinions I have heard on here in a while.

[Kate!]

Probably one of the most sensible opinions I have heard on here in a while.

Agreed, a fair and balanced view :)

[Ninastar]

Probably one of the most sensible opinions I have heard on here in a while.

x2

[Marc]

Gay couples? Yes.

You? No. That child will be scarred for life

[Benjamin]

Gay couples? Yes.

You? No. That child will be scarred for life

Ha2, you mong. :tongue:

[Ninastar]

-sobs-

[Marc]

Ha2, you mong. :tongue:

http://tinyurl.com/2u74ese

[Benjamin]

Just wondering what any of the newer members think about this subject.

[Mystic Mock]

As long as they give them a loving home I don't see the problem, other children can mock the child all they like but I bet they probably wouldn't understand what homosexuality really is.

[Kizzy]

Yes

[Jack_]

I don't know if I've posted in here...I'll look in a minute (be interesting to see if I've changed opinion, I'm hoping and assuming not).

Anyway, of course they should. Gay couples can make just as good, if not better parents than straight couples. The argument that the children would be 'bullied' to me is just illogical, because the longer that you prevent gay couples from adopting for fear of this very problem, the bigger the problem becomes, it's seen as less socially acceptable, and the problem worsens. The more gay adoptions there are, the more socially acceptable it is, the less bullying there is. Simple, really.

[Doogle]

Of course! I don't get why someone would oppose it really.

[Redway]

I really hate this argument. There's absolutely nothing whatsoever to suggest a no, unless people are saying gay people are incapable of looking after kids. Of course gay people should adopt kids if thet want. I really don't see how anyone could say otherwise.

[Marsh.]

Definitely not. Homosexuals are different in every way, shape and form. They do not have the capabilities to look after children. :hmph:

[Mrluvaluva]

In an ideal world I would say yes. The only thing that should matter is that a child has 2 loving parents that will look after, guide, protect, and do their best for them. The only concern I would have is the additional challenges the child could face due to the attitude of some in society. There are many more things to be considered, and unfortunately some people are not as accepting as we hope they would be, and prejudices still exist. There should be no reasons however why a gay couple cannot provide a loving and stable home for a child.

(Sorry if I am repeating anything already said for I have not read all 28 pages.)

[Marsh.]

I should think not as there's only 23.

[Mrluvaluva]

28 on mine...(maybe it's something to do with how many posts per page each of us have in the settings)

[Marsh.]

Probably.

[Doogle]

Only 14 pages for me.

[Liberty4eva]

All other things being equal, I think a man/woman couple should get priority over a same sex couple when it comes to adopting. People forget that what's really important is what's in the child's interests and who would doubt that being raised in a family with a mother and father is better than a same-sex household?

[Black Dagger]

I mean, I can't see me ever adopting, I am uncommitted to everything and I really doubt I could provide a stable home for a child, ever, now I'm 17, so I'd not think about adopting yet anyway.

But of course homosexual couples should allowed to be parents, if they provide a secure and loving environment for said child. Surely people would rather that than a straight couple abusing their children any-day?

[Shaun]

The main argument against gay adoption seems to be the possibility of the child being subject to taunts and perhaps bullying. This, for me, is a moot point, since a) the increase in gay adoption will make it less of a taboo, less of a phenomenon that can be singled out as 'different', and b) children should not be stripped of the opportunity of a loving family just out of fear. It is society's responsibility to eradicate bullying and homophobia.

[Mrluvaluva]

Yes, but that will only come with time, as more gay couples are allowed to do so, and as it is integrated into society more and people become more accustomed to it. You cannot just dismiss the fact that it is going to happen, so of course it will be a concern, but one that people will be readily aware of, so it will come as no surprise.

[Shaun]

The thing is you could say that a child shouldn't be adopted by ginger parents because bullies pick on gingers, it's really that irrelevant IMO.

[thesheriff443]

gay parents thats one thing but ginger ones thats just wrong.lol

[Marsh.]

Imagine ginger gay parents? :shocked: You're screwed! lol

[Mrluvaluva]

I agree it should not be used as an argument against gay couples adopting, but what I am saying is that it should be an issue that needs to be taken into consideration (for the parents).

[Shaun]

Yeah totally, I agree then. It's just that there're so many criterion for bullies to possibly exploit - disability, orientation, appearance, employment - and it shouldn't qualify as reason against a gay couple's chances.

[Scarlett.]

I grew up with a gay dad, watched them have a civil partnership in 2008, wouldnt have life any other way.

[Ninastar]

I think parents are able to prevent the child from being upset when kids makes fun of them. A teacher of mine was saying that she knows 2 gay families with kids and their children are just unfazed by the bullying, nothing bothers them.

[Scarlett.]

That was my attitude, sure people said crap, but I knew when I got home, I had a stable, happy, loving family, and nothing anyone at school said could change that. In fact I felt sorry for them, as it's likely their family is less prosperous.

[Ninastar]

that's so cute, I never knew you had a gay dad

[Scarlett.]

that's so cute, I never knew you had a gay dad

I think I've posted about it a few times on the forum lol, once or twice in this thread too I think (since it is bumped every now and again and I forget :joker:), but I never really mention it as I don't see it as anything worth mentioning :p

[Ninastar]

that's true

I can't wait for the day that families with gay parents become a norm in society

[Niall]

I think its actually ridiculous when people try and fault gay adoption anyway. I've said it before in this thread, but its been shown that gay couples are more likely to provide a better upbringing for children than a heterosexual couple. And thats just one reason.

[Mrluvaluva]

It's true, and in relation, to what BD said earlier. There are so many people who have kids, just because they can, and neglect them in one way or another. To me they are the ones who don't deserve to have kids. Sometimes it's the people who cannot have kids naturally that actually want them and would commit themselves to giving a child a good and happy life. I don't see why any child should be denied that.

[Niall]

that's true

I can't wait for the day that families with gay parents become a norm in society

Me too. :lovedup:

[Niamh.]

I think its actually ridiculous when people try and fault gay adoption anyway. I've said it before in this thread, but its been shown that gay couples are more likely to provide a better upbringing for children than a heterosexual couple. And thats just one reason.

Why?

[Ninastar]

It's true, and in relation, to what BD said earlier. There are so many people who have kids, just because they can, and neglect them in one way or another. To me they are the ones who don't deserve to have kids. Sometimes it's the people who cannot have kids naturally that actually want them and would commit themselves to giving a child a good and happy life. I don't see why a child should be denied that.

I agree with this. Always the best of people who can't have kids

[Shaun]

The only way that can make sense Niall is that gay couples adopting or using surrogacy are extremely determined to have children, whereas heterosexual parents could just (and I know this sounds awful) have one accidentally. But I don't think that means gay parents are generally better.

[Niamh.]

The only way that can make sense Niall is that gay couples adopting or using surrogacy are extremely determined to have children, whereas heterosexual parents could just (and I know this sounds awful) have one accidentally. But I don't think that means gay parents are generally better.

Yeah, I mean there are plenty of hetrosexual couples who can't have kids as well and are equally determined to adopt or use surrogacy to have children.

[Boothy]

I think its actually ridiculous when people try and fault gay adoption anyway. I've said it before in this thread, but its been shown that gay couples are more likely to provide a better upbringing for children than a heterosexual couple. And thats just one reason.

I don't think we should turn this into a 'who's better than who' argument. It defeats the object. Gay couples have as much right to adopt as anyone else but it shouldn't mean they provide a better upbringing. They should provide an equal upbringing. I know you didn't mean it to come across as this, but it could be construed as an 'us vs them' stance.

Again, I know you didn't mean it to sound like that but it sorta does :p

[Shaun]

Boothy wins, flawless victory. *gives him all the children*

[Niamh.]

:laugh:

[Vicky.]

Boothy wins, flawless victory. *gives him all the children*

:laugh2:

[Boothy]

Boothy wins, flawless victory. *gives him all the children*

This calls for a celebration

http://beenidrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bad-parenting-16.jpg

[Niall]

Why?

The only way that can make sense Niall is that gay couples adopting or using surrogacy are extremely determined to have children, whereas heterosexual parents could just (and I know this sounds awful) have one accidentally. But I don't think that means gay parents are generally better.

I can't prove myself right at this moment, but I do remember reading about some sort of study into it a while ago. I'll search for it later and show you guys.

[Niall]

I don't think we should turn this into a 'who's better than who' argument. It defeats the object. Gay couples have as much right to adopt as anyone else but it shouldn't mean they provide a better upbringing. They should provide an equal upbringing. I know you didn't mean it to come across as this, but it could be construed as an 'us vs them' stance.

Again, I know you didn't mean it to sound like that but it sorta does :p

Oh no I didn't mean it like that at all! I meant it more in the sense that those who go against gay adoption seem to think gay parents will be worse, but the contrary has been shown.

What I wrote was really badly worded I think. :blush2:

[Mrluvaluva]

This calls for a celebration

http://beenidrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/bad-parenting-16.jpg


:laugh:

[Niamh.]

I can't prove myself right at this moment, but I do remember reading about some sort of study into it a while ago. I'll search for it later and show you guys.

As a parent and part of a hetrosexual couple I find that pretty insulting tbh. I don't see how a study could really prove that conclusively anyway when the ratio of Hetro sexual couples V's Homosexual couples is so different. There are obviously going to be more bad hetro sexual parents because they're are going to be so many more of them. People are individuals.

[Marsh.]

I can't prove myself right at this moment, but I do remember reading about some sort of study into it a while ago. I'll search for it later and show you guys.

:rolleyes:

There's always studies.

Studies that show you are 85% more likely to get cancer if you have milk with cereal.

[Niall]

As a parent and part of a hetrosexual couple I find that pretty insulting tbh. I don't see how a study could really prove that conclusively anyway when the ratio of Hetro sexual couples V's Homosexual couples is so different. There are obviously going to be more bad hetro sexual parents because they're are going to be so many more of them. People are individuals.

I never said one was proven as better than the other. I just said more likely.

And what you've said about there being more hetero parents is true and I agree with that, but I just think the results it found was interesting. I for one thought that a heterosexual couple would handle a child better than a homosexual one so I was kinda shocked by it stuck in my head.

[Shaun]

It sounds like the sort of study that's also contributed the ideas of red wine or red meat causing cancer, tbf :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I never said one was proven as better than the other. I just said more likely.

And what you've said about there being more hetero parents is true and I agree with that, but I just think the results it found was interesting. I for one thought that a heterosexual couple would handle a child better than a homosexual one so I was kinda shocked by it stuck in my head.

Personally, I don't believe that you can judge who can handle a child better based on a persons sexual preference, it sounds kind of ridiculous if you ask me.

[Niall]

It sounds like the sort of study that's also contributed the ideas of red wine or red meat causing cancer, tbf :laugh:

I suppose it was a bit of a crap study in retrospect. I just found it and read the article again:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/16/gay-parents-better-than-straights_n_1208659.html

Personally, I don't believe that you can judge who can handle a child better based on a persons sexual preference, it sounds kind of ridiculous if you ask me.

I suppose. Its all down to the actual person really. I just thought the study to be interesting given its findings.

[Niamh.]

I suppose it was a bit of a crap study in retrospect. I just found it and read the article again:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/16/gay-parents-better-than-straights_n_1208659.html



I suppose. Its all down to the actual person really. I just thought the study to be interesting given its findings.

Well this statement for example could equally apply to hetro sexual parents who can't have kids and who adopt or use a surrogate or to hetrosexual couples who............planned their babies....... :

Gay parents "tend to be more motivated, more committed than heterosexual parents on average, because they chose to be parents

[Niall]

Well this statement for example could equally apply to hetro sexually parents who can't have kids and who adopt or use a surrogate or to hetrosexual couples who............planned their babies....... :

Gay parents "tend to be more motivated, more committed than heterosexual parents on average, because they chose to be parents

I know. I was reading through it finding little bits like that. The "accidental pregnancy rate" being "50% lower" in gay parents is also a bit of a silly thing to be commending too imo. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I know. I was reading through it finding little bits like that. The "accidental pregnancy rate" being "50% lower" in gay parents is also a bit of a silly thing to be commending too imo. :laugh:

:laugh:

[joeysteele]

I think way back I posted in this thread, for me as long as the checks are done, as long as the childs welfare and security are assured as in 'all' adoptive relationships and checks into same, then all that matters to me would be the child's right to a stable home and future, so I can see no argument whatsoever as to why gay adoptive parents should not be permitted.
Actually likely more goes wrong in other adoptive scenarios than in gay relationship ones.

[bbfan1991]

Yes, does not matter about the gender of the couple as long as the correct checks are done and that the child is in a loving and positive environment.. although of course you will get some children with problems, which can be dealt with in time...