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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why is it flimsy? It's pointing out that extreme examples are not a good benchmark for advocating sweeping change.

But sweeping change is what's been asked for (and his been done on the quiet in some countries) for the benefit of a small minority at the risk of a majority but that's ok with you? (why wouldn't it be I guess, it's never going to actually effect your rights in any real way, is it?)


We could take asylum seekers as another example, then. Have people abused the asylum system to enter nations with malicious intent? Yes, there are obvious and clear examples of this happening. And people have been hurt and killed. There are many, MANY people who would use this - the fact that there are dangerous individuals willing to exploit the asylum system - as evidence that we must "rethink the system". And who would argue that anyone who disagrees "doesn't clearly doesn't care about the victims or potential victims of those people". Is a traitor or unpatriotic.


It is a direct comparison. It is more or less exactly the same thing.

Do I think that extreme examples of violent individuals gaining access to countries full of people they want to attack is a problem? Obviously, yes I do. Do I think it means we need to halt, reconsider, or have a sweeping overhaul of the asylum system? No absolutely not.

So why would I think that we need a sweeping overhaul of trans rights for the same reason? I'm not willing to be that sort of hypocrite.
Rethink the system? You're talking like Self IDing has always been a thing and not the other way round? The re thinking the system happened the opposite way round to what you're claiming TS, it's all sounding like double think now. Womens rights to sex segregated areas and sports and now apparently the right to refuse to touch a strangers penis are the rights that have been taken away without pretty much any consultation or discussion, it's been done so quietly and under the carpet that I'm willing to bet a vast majority of the general public don't even know Self IDing happened at all or even what it is.

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