[ScabbyMoreLike]

He's entitled to his creationist views but going "EH-ERRRRR!" everytime someone tried to discuss a less George W Bush style theory to how the universe came into being doesn't make me want him to win.

I've respected the fact that he hasn't been too OTT with his religious opinions during his time in the house but not letting anyone else talk about that particular subject makes me wonder how extreme he may be.

So if you want to stop Josie from winning, as I know many do, maybe voting for someone else other than Dave would be sensible. If you care...

[InOne]

He is the kind of person that makes Dawkins and Hitchins look like Gods.

[lynette]

Originally Posted by InOne

He is the kind of person that makes Dawkins and Hitchins look like Gods.

Oh BRAVO!!!! *Standing and applauding*

[Livia]

I find Christians a little bit shouty-downy about the creationist/evolutionist question. Amazing really, in the face of so much scientific evidence.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

I find Christians a little bit shouty-downy about the creationist/evolutionist question. Amazing really, in the face of so much scientific evidence.

Most Christians have come to accept evolution now though

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Most Christians have come to accept evolution now though

Yes, you're right. I should have said "some Christians".

[BJ]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, you're right. I should have said "some Christians".

It seems to be mainly born again christians

[vesavius]

People are closed minded if they don't share Dave's beliefs, and they are just plain wrong if he dosent share theirs.

I thought we all knew this by now

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by vesavius

People are closed minded if they don't share Dave's beliefs, and they are just plain wrong if he dosent share theirs.

I thought we all knew this by now

well said still loving your work

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

well said still loving your work

[Blueisthecolour]

Originally Posted by Livia

I find Christians a little bit shouty-downy about the creationist/evolutionist question. Amazing really, in the face of so much scientific evidence.

To be honest, I find atheists far more "shouty-downy" than your average Christian.

Overly aggressive non-belief is the future.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Blueisthecolour

To be honest, I find atheists far more "shouty-downy" than your average Christian.

Overly aggressive non-belief is the future.

Not really. Because for some reason it is drilled in from an early age that we should respect religions.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Blueisthecolour

To be honest, I find atheists far more "shouty-downy" than your average Christian.

Overly aggressive non-belief is the future.

I am not an athiest. I'm not a Christian either. I find people "of faith" narrow minded, particularly when it comes to creationism v. evolution. Christians (only because we're talking about Christians here, but I mean every Bible-based religion) pick and choose the bits of the Bible they're going to fight about. Yesterday, Dave made it clear he believed that God created man in his image because it says so in the Bible. He also had his hair cut, although it says, quite clearly in the same Bible, that having your hair cut around your temples is punishable by death. You can't pick and choose the bits you want to believe. It's either God's word, or it's not.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Livia

I am not an athiest. I'm not a Christian either. I find people "of faith" narrow minded, particularly when it comes to creationism v. evolution. Christians (only because we're talking about Christians here, but I mean every Bible-based religion) pick and choose the bits of the Bible they're going to fight about. Yesterday, Dave made it clear he believed that God created man in his image because it says so in the Bible. He also had his hair cut, although it says, quite clearly in the same Bible, that having your hair cut around your temples is punishable by death. You can't pick and choose the bits you want to believe. It's either God's word, or it's not.

I agree, and this cherry picking, focusing on selected parts, and twisting of the gospel (that fulfill the agenda one wishes to promote and use) by a minister is a classic element of what is considered a counterfeit religion. It's also a recognised practise of cultism.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Livia

...... pick and choose the bits of the Bible they're going to fight about. Yesterday, Dave made it clear he believed that God created man in his image because it says so in the Bible. He also had his hair cut, although it says, quite clearly in the same Bible, that having your hair cut around your temples is punishable by death. You can't pick and choose the bits you want to believe. It's either God's word, or it's not.

You don't understand your own heritage apparently and David does.

First off - You SHOULD pick and choose what bit APPLY TO YOU and which apply to Israelites and laws which were ONLY FOR THEM and for NOBODY ELSE (which includes David).

First off .a) In the same way you have basic reading comprehension skills you apply to all kinds of literature you could then apply those same basic skills to reading a bible.
When an author is describing real people in real places in real time then you accept the text is 'literal' (as people use that term now),
and,
when an 'allegory' is being communicated then you simply take that as 'allegorical'.
A poem or a parable MAY be based on 'real people in a real time' but you understand it's meant to communicate the lesson or wisdom or 'idea' and not serve as 'literal information about the people in the poem'.

The vast majority of this is not complicated even children can do this seemingly 'instinctively' once they have basic reading skills,
but,
certainly adults ought to be able to do it and easily sail through 90%+ of the Bible without acting 'confused' over what the text is doing.

But anyways, nice job being completely ignorant of your own history. Even David knew better.
He, correctly, did not pick was was NOT offered to him in the first place.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Blueisthecolour

I agree with that, very much so.

Originally Posted by ElProximo

You don't understand your own heritage apparently and David does.

First off - You SHOULD pick and choose what bit APPLY TO YOU and which apply to Israelites and laws which were ONLY FOR THEM and for NOBODY ELSE (which includes David).

First off .a) In the same way you have basic reading comprehension skills you apply to all kinds of literature you could then apply those same basic skills to reading a bible.
When an author is describing real people in real places in real time then you accept the text is 'literal' (as people use that term now),
and,
when an 'allegory' is being communicated then you simply take that as 'allegorical'.
A poem or a parable MAY be based on 'real people in a real time' but you understand it's meant to communicate the lesson or wisdom or 'idea' and not serve as 'literal information about the people in the poem'.

The vast majority of this is not complicated even children can do this seemingly 'instinctively' once they have basic reading skills,
but,
certainly adults ought to be able to do it and easily sail through 90%+ of the Bible without acting 'confused' over what the text is doing.

But anyways, nice job being completely ignorant of your own history. Even David knew better.
He, correctly, did not pick was was NOT offered to him in the first place.

except not every book is claimed to be written by god

if you pick and choose you second guess god and that cant be good?

[ScabbyMoreLike]

Even if he's stubborn/ignorant/misguided enough to stick to the 'pure creationism' belief, I find the lack of tolerance off-putting. Isn't understanding of others meant to be at the key of Christianity?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by ScabbyMoreLike

Even if he's stubborn/ignorant/misguided enough to stick to the 'pure creationism' belief, I find the lack of tolerance off-putting. Isn't understanding of others meant to be at the key of Christianity?

No, not really.

Dave will tolerate you, as he tolerates gays, in order to save you.

Whether you like it or not.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No, not really.

Dave will tolerate you, as he tolerates gays, in order to save you.

Whether you like it or not.

Did he try to save Shabby Mario or Joevan?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Did he try to save Shabby Mario or Joevan?

Dave's grooming technique takes time, he dosent rush things, but his views have been openly stated by him.

He dosent hate the person for being gay, but he sees the act as against his god and as a sin that they can be redeemed from and bought back into the light.

[BJ]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Dave's grooming technique takes time, he dosent rush things, but his views have been openly stated by him.

He dosent hate the person for being gay, but he sees the act as against his god and as a sin that they can be redeemed from and bought back into the light.

So Dave is patronising as well as backstabbing

[InOne]

Atheist: Who designed the designer?

Theist: God is was and always will be!

Atheist: Erm, yeah ok

[ScabbyMoreLike]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScabbyMoreLike
Even if he's stubborn/ignorant/misguided enough to stick to the 'pure creationism' belief, I find the lack of tolerance off-putting. Isn't understanding of others meant to be at the key of Christianity?

No, not really.

Dave will tolerate you, as he tolerates gays, in order to save you.

Whether you like it or not.

I fear you're right. Who will rid us of this troublesome monk?!

[Stacey.]

Agreed. I thought this too.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by ScabbyMoreLike

He's entitled to his creationist views but going "EH-ERRRRR!" everytime someone tried to discuss a less George W Bush style theory to how the universe came into being doesn't make me want him to win.

I've respected the fact that he hasn't been too OTT with his religious opinions during his time in the house but not letting anyone else talk about that particular subject makes me wonder how extreme he may be.

So if you want to stop Josie from winning, as I know many do, maybe voting for someone else other than Dave would be sensible. If you care...

I agree, what a plonker. Dave's of the same mindset that saw thousands burned at the stake for being Witches! Funny, how the church admits it got it wrong there (and about slavery) but somehow thinks it's so right about the Gay thingy (i.e. it's good to be a homophobe because God says so) and of course many now believe in that creationist bull sh*t.