[JustLisaAgain]

Does anyone else think that Dan done the right thing, by obeying by Hazel's request to tell the rest of the house what happened the other night between her & Daley?

It appears some think he was patronising and Hazel should've done it herself but I think that especially because she asked him to, I think he done a really good job. It was a serious matter and he spoke about it with seriousness. I don't think the other HM's should've been at all offended. I would've respected her decision and I thought it was nice that she had the confidence to tell him about it.

Thoughts?

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

I think Dan handled it very well, at the end of day, people are moaning about Dan telling the HM's, but at the end of day, Hazel asked him to speak to the HM's in her behave.

[JustLisaAgain]

Originally Posted by BigBrotherfan4ever

I think Dan handled it very well, at the end of day, people are moaning about Dan telling the HM's, but at the end of day, Hazel asked him to speak to the HM's in her behave.

I see we're on the same wavelength.

[hannah.]

Originally Posted by BigBrotherfan4ever

I think Dan handled it very well, at the end of day, people are moaning about Dan telling the HM's, but at the end of day, Hazel asked him to speak to the HM's in her behave.

[joeysteele]

Yes ,he did the right thing, she didn't feel able to express herself to them,he was willing to help as a good friend often is.
She had already trusted him with the story of what had happened, he did 100% the right thing and handled it as best as anyone could have too in my opinion.

[JustLisaAgain]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yes ,he did the right thing, she didn't feel able to express herself to them,he was willing to help as a good friend often is.
She had already trusted him with the story of what had happened, he did 100% the right thing and handled it as best as anyone could have too in my opinion.

[Marc]

I'm surprised he hasn't told anybody to be honest. He loves the gossip

[Lister of Smeg]

I fail to see why Hazel didnt just tell them all had she been honest from the start no one would have cared now shes definitely made herself an easy target .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lister of Smeg

I fail to see why Hazel didnt just tell them all had she been honest from the start no one would have cared now shes definitely made herself an easy target .

I think this trivializes the issue a lot. She didn't tell them because she felt ashamed and was scared of how they would react, like a lot of girls who get themselves into these situations. And she was right to think that because people have been exactly like that. because people are a bit ****ing rotten. She told the only person she knew wouldnt judge her or look at her differently because of it.

[user104658]

I think she's very lucky to have him there to be honest, and lucky that he is being a genuine friend. He hasn't vilified Daley and he hasn't suggested its her fault - he's just been supportive. It's made me like him a lot more, anyway. some of the younger ones just don't really understand that he wasn't patronising them, just conveying it in the serious way that was appropriate.

[JustLisaAgain]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I think she's very lucky to have him there to be honest, and lucky that he is being a genuine friend. He hasn't vilified Daley and he hasn't suggested its her fault - he's just been supportive. It's made me like him a lot more, anyway. some of the younger ones just don't really understand that he wasn't patronising them, just conveying it in the serious way that was appropriate.

Well said! I'm a big fan of Dan I have to say. I think if I was in there, I'd be good friends with him - if he liked me of course, haha.

[optimisticcynic]

Dan has been manipulated. If this edited account of the night's events were provided by Hazel, others eg Gina and anyone with any instinct re: half-truths, would question Hazel's role in the whole process. However, if Hazel selectively shares information with Dan, who then presents this information honestly believing it to be the whole story, a more favourable version of events is now made fact by a reliable, trusted source. Noone will now feel comfortable questioning Hazel, noone will ever know about her warning or about the fact she debagged Daley or assaulted him. Only Daley's wrongdoing is acknowledged. When Dan watches it back on leaving, he'll feel a bit used.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Dan has been manipulated. If this edited account of the night's events were provided by Hazel, others eg Gina and anyone with any instinct re: half-truths, would question Hazel's role in the whole process. However, if Hazel selectively shares information with Dan, who then presents this information honestly believing it to be the whole story, a more favourable version of events is now made fact by a reliable, trusted source. Noone will now feel comfortable questioning Hazel, noone will ever know about her warning or about the fact she debagged Daley or assaulted him. Only Daley's wrongdoing is acknowledged. When Dan watches it back on leaving, he'll feel a bit used.

He's been TOTALLY used, and if he doesn't feel like a fool when he finds out.....

Edit: Just imagine Dan's high pitched whiny voice "She used meeeee, I trusted her and she used meeee!"

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Dan has been manipulated. If this edited account of the night's events were provided by Hazel, others eg Gina and anyone with any instinct re: half-truths, would question Hazel's role in the whole process. However, if Hazel selectively shares information with Dan, who then presents this information honestly believing it to be the whole story, a more favourable version of events is now made fact by a reliable, trusted source. Noone will now feel comfortable questioning Hazel, noone will ever know about her warning or about the fact she debagged Daley or assaulted him. Only Daley's wrongdoing is acknowledged. When Dan watches it back on leaving, he'll feel a bit used.

Do you know I never even thought about it like that m,but youre right ..it was him that Sophie played hell with ,not Hazel !! COWBAG her

[user104658]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

..it was him that Sophie played hell with ,not Hazel !! COWBAG her

That was WHY he offered to tell them, so that she wouldn't have to face the housemates asking questions, blaming her and pouring scorn onto her. It's why he offered to do it; because he can handle them, and knows that she shouldn't have to.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

Dan has been manipulated. If this edited account of the night's events were provided by Hazel, others eg Gina and anyone with any instinct re: half-truths, would question Hazel's role in the whole process. However, if Hazel selectively shares information with Dan, who then presents this information honestly believing it to be the whole story, a more favourable version of events is now made fact by a reliable, trusted source. Noone will now feel comfortable questioning Hazel, noone will ever know about her warning or about the fact she debagged Daley or assaulted him. Only Daley's wrongdoing is acknowledged. When Dan watches it back on leaving, he'll feel a bit used.

Only if he's the sort of scumbag who thinks she was "asking" to have Daley turn dark / intimidating on her for the "crime" of flirting and having banter with him. Which I don't think he is. I hope not, anyway, as he was a police officer. And police officer who viewed that footage and thought "Oh yeah, the slut provoked him, she was just asking for something like this to happen" should not be in the job.

She also told Dan in the treehouse the first day that she slapped Daley and pulled down his boxers, and that she got a warning. Your bias is giving you a selective memory.

Why does she need to reveal all of this? Why does she have to offer up details of something unsettling that happened to her for the other housemates to "review"? Why is everyone so desperate to justify Daley's actions?

I don't know how many times I've said this now but the story has been SO twisted by many people, and NOT by Hazel.

Daley didn't mean to scare her, but he did, accidentally.

Big Brother asked her if she had been scared, and she told the truth and said "yeah, a little bit"

Hazel even said at the time that he probably didn't mean to and it was just play fighting gone too far.

She said the same to Dan.

She has never vilified Daley.

UP UNTIL THIS POINT there was no real blame... Daley made a mistake, that is all. He thought she knew it was a game and was OK. She wasn't. All he needed to do was say "yes I made a mistake, I'm sorry that I scared Hazel". Done, dusted, not a huge deal!

Since then, Hazel still hasn't blamed or vilified Daley. She's even said he didn't deserve to be kicked out.

Daley on the other hand... has been an absolute snivelling guilt-avoiding weasle about the whole thing. "Boo hoo boo hoo she used magic spells on me and made my out of control penis cheat on my girlfriend without me having any way to stop it, and then she brewed up a potion in her cauldron and made me play a too-rough sex game with her in a conspiracy to kick me out!". **** off Daley. Utterly, utterly pathetic.

And yet Hazel still gets the bulk of the blame?? What is WRONG with most people??? It's disgusting. It's actually making me really angry. Thousands of women in these situations are now going to be more scared to tell anyone because hey, Hazel brought it on herself, so why not them? It's an absolute disgrace, and BB / the press giving Daley airtime in order to blame the girl is infuriating. That so many people are buying into it is also completely awful.


So... yeah. If Dan is an idiot he'll feel used. If he's any sort of half decent person, he'll find the footage of the incident even more disturbing than he imagined, and still want to protect his friend from the inevitable negative press she's going to face.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Only if he's the sort of scumbag who thinks she was "asking" to have Daley turn dark / intimidating on her for the "crime" of flirting and having banter with him. Which I don't think he is. I hope not, anyway, as he was a police officer. And police officer who viewed that footage and thought "Oh yeah, the slut provoked him, she was just asking for something like this to happen" should not be in the job.

She also told Dan in the treehouse the first day that she slapped Daley and pulled down his boxers, and that she got a warning. Your bias is giving you a selective memory.

Why does she need to reveal all of this? Why does she have to offer up details of something unsettling that happened to her for the other housemates to "review"? Why is everyone so desperate to justify Daley's actions?

I don't know how many times I've said this now but the story has been SO twisted by many people, and NOT by Hazel.

Daley didn't mean to scare her, but he did, accidentally.

Big Brother asked her if she had been scared, and she told the truth and said "yeah, a little bit"

Hazel even said at the time that he probably didn't mean to and it was just play fighting gone too far.

She said the same to Dan.

She has never vilified Daley.

UP UNTIL THIS POINT there was no real blame... Daley made a mistake, that is all. He thought she knew it was a game and was OK. She wasn't. All he needed to do was say "yes I made a mistake, I'm sorry that I scared Hazel". Done, dusted, not a huge deal!

Since then, Hazel still hasn't blamed or vilified Daley. She's even said he didn't deserve to be kicked out.

Daley on the other hand... has been an absolute snivelling guilt-avoiding weasle about the whole thing. "Boo hoo boo hoo she used magic spells on me and made my out of control penis cheat on my girlfriend without me having any way to stop it, and then she brewed up a potion in her cauldron and made me play a too-rough sex game with her in a conspiracy to kick me out!". **** off Daley. Utterly, utterly pathetic.

And yet Hazel still gets the bulk of the blame?? What is WRONG with most people??? It's disgusting. It's actually making me really angry. Thousands of women in these situations are now going to be more scared to tell anyone because hey, Hazel brought it on herself, so why not them? It's an absolute disgrace, and BB / the press giving Daley airtime in order to blame the girl is infuriating. That so many people are buying into it is also completely awful.


So... yeah. If Dan is an idiot he'll feel used. If he's any sort of half decent person, he'll find the footage of the incident even more disturbing than he imagined, and still want to protect his friend from the inevitable negative press she's going to face.

At ease, Soldier. My post did not vindicate Daley. All my posts thus far acknowledge he was an idiot, but Daley putting his hands around Hazel's neck has not made me forget my long-held belief that she is a sneaky, devious, cold-hearted fame-hungry cow. She has used men throughout her BB stay, and I do not believe this has stopped. She has assessed the situation and I am sure will try to play it to come out on top. Her tool for the moment: Dan. I am not advocating abuse, think his attempt to ingratiate himself to the public via Katie is ridiculous, and have no interest in his life after Big Brother.

[halfacrown]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

At ease, Soldier. My post did not vindicate Daley. All my posts thus far acknowledge he was an idiot, but Daley putting his hands around Hazel's neck has not made me forget my long-held belief that she is a sneaky, devious, cold-hearted fame-hungry cow. She has used men throughout her BB stay, and I do not believe this has stopped. She has assessed the situation and I am sure will try to play it to come out on top. Her tool for the moment: Dan. I am not advocating abuse, think his attempt to ingratiate himself to the public via Katie is ridiculous, and have no interest in his life after Big Brother.

In people's admirable desire to condemn violence, there has been a mad rush to jump on any criticism of Hazel. Hazel has had a bad time of it, but it remains to be seen if she'll become a better person, she's not come across well all series and nothing's changed, yet. Dan was so desperate to own the situation last night that I thought at one point he might lock Hazel in the loo in case she interrupted him. For whatever reason, most of the housemates liked Daley and disliked Hazel, so their confusion was hardly likely to have been extinguished by Dan's speech. Hazel would have done better to have told the housemates exactly what Daley did, even if she didn't want to share all of the back story.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

In people's admirable desire to condemn violence, there has been a mad rush to jump on any criticism of Hazel. Hazel has had a bad time of it, but it remains to be seen if she'll become a better person, she's not come across well all series and nothing's changed, yet. Dan was so desperate to own the situation last night that I thought at one point he might lock Hazel in the loo in case she interrupted him. For whatever reason, most of the housemates liked Daley and disliked Hazel, so their confusion was hardly likely to have been extinguished by Dan's speech. Hazel would have done better to have told the housemates exactly what Daley did, even if she didn't want to share all of the back story.

Brilliant.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by halfacrown

In people's admirable desire to condemn violence, there has been a mad rush to jump on any criticism of Hazel. Hazel has had a bad time of it, but it remains to be seen if she'll become a better person, she's not come across well all series and nothing's changed, yet. Dan was so desperate to own the situation last night that I thought at one point he might lock Hazel in the loo in case she interrupted him. For whatever reason, most of the housemates liked Daley and disliked Hazel, so their confusion was hardly likely to have been extinguished by Dan's speech. Hazel would have done better to have told the housemates exactly what Daley did, even if she didn't want to share all of the back story.

It will all come out sooner or later and there ought to be some anger and also some red faces at how easily they have been hoodwinked.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

At ease, Soldier. My post did not vindicate Daley. All my posts thus far acknowledge he was an idiot, but Daley putting his hands around Hazel's neck has not made me forget my long-held belief that she is a sneaky, devious, cold-hearted fame-hungry cow. She has used men throughout her BB stay, and I do not believe this has stopped. She has assessed the situation and I am sure will try to play it to come out on top. Her tool for the moment: Dan. I am not advocating abuse, think his attempt to ingratiate himself to the public via Katie is ridiculous, and have no interest in his life after Big Brother.

Fame hungry? A BB housemate? Never!

Used men? Like dan, that she has been friends with since day one and daley who pursued her like a dog in heat....

Good call!

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Only if he's the sort of scumbag who thinks she was "asking" to have Daley turn dark / intimidating on her for the "crime" of flirting and having banter with him. Which I don't think he is. I hope not, anyway, as he was a police officer. And police officer who viewed that footage and thought "Oh yeah, the slut provoked him, she was just asking for something like this to happen" should not be in the job.

She also told Dan in the treehouse the first day that she slapped Daley and pulled down his boxers, and that she got a warning. Your bias is giving you a selective memory.

Why does she need to reveal all of this? Why does she have to offer up details of something unsettling that happened to her for the other housemates to "review"? Why is everyone so desperate to justify Daley's actions?

I don't know how many times I've said this now but the story has been SO twisted by many people, and NOT by Hazel.

Daley didn't mean to scare her, but he did, accidentally.

Big Brother asked her if she had been scared, and she told the truth and said "yeah, a little bit"

Hazel even said at the time that he probably didn't mean to and it was just play fighting gone too far.

She said the same to Dan.

She has never vilified Daley.

UP UNTIL THIS POINT there was no real blame... Daley made a mistake, that is all. He thought she knew it was a game and was OK. She wasn't. All he needed to do was say "yes I made a mistake, I'm sorry that I scared Hazel". Done, dusted, not a huge deal!

Since then, Hazel still hasn't blamed or vilified Daley. She's even said he didn't deserve to be kicked out.

Daley on the other hand... has been an absolute snivelling guilt-avoiding weasle about the whole thing. "Boo hoo boo hoo she used magic spells on me and made my out of control penis cheat on my girlfriend without me having any way to stop it, and then she brewed up a potion in her cauldron and made me play a too-rough sex game with her in a conspiracy to kick me out!". **** off Daley. Utterly, utterly pathetic.

And yet Hazel still gets the bulk of the blame?? What is WRONG with most people??? It's disgusting. It's actually making me really angry. Thousands of women in these situations are now going to be more scared to tell anyone because hey, Hazel brought it on herself, so why not them? It's an absolute disgrace, and BB / the press giving Daley airtime in order to blame the girl is infuriating. That so many people are buying into it is also completely awful.


So... yeah. If Dan is an idiot he'll feel used. If he's any sort of half decent person, he'll find the footage of the incident even more disturbing than he imagined, and still want to protect his friend from the inevitable negative press she's going to face.

After reading this post, I have to say that your sig is the second best thing on this thread, because hands down, the above is about the best summary of the whole hazel/daley situation that Ive come across to date.

Well said.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by JustLisaAgain

Does anyone else think that Dan done the right thing, by obeying by Hazel's request to tell the rest of the house what happened the other night between her & Daley?

It appears some think he was patronising and Hazel should've done it herself but I think that especially because she asked him to, I think he done a really good job. It was a serious matter and he spoke about it with seriousness. I don't think the other HM's should've been at all offended. I would've respected her decision and I thought it was nice that she had the confidence to tell him about it.

Thoughts?

Actually I think dan offered to tell the rest of the house for her, not the other way around.

But I believe he handled the situation very well, all his concern was for her. Despite the some of the others getting the hump.

He went up in my estimation last night

[JustLisaAgain]

Originally Posted by kefln

Actually I think dan offered to tell the rest of the house for her, not the other way around.

But I believe he handled the situation very well, all his concern was for her. Despite the some of the others getting the hump.

He went up in my estimation last night

Thank you for the correction! Either way, I thought it was lovely.

[chuff me dizzy]

Yes ,he proved to be a trusted friend ,nice that there are still people like him