[Crimson Dynamo]

and they slagged off Tommy Robinson when he highlighted what a state Luton was in




Five members of hate preacher Anjem Choudary's inner circle are jailed for drumming up support of ISIS after one ranted about '40 trucks of explosives in Oxford Street'

• Gang with links to Anjem Choudary held meetings in a marquee in Luton
• Brave undercover police infiltrated gang and recorded their hate sermons
• Five of the radical group have now been jailed for inciting support for ISIS
• Judge praises work of 'resourceful' undercover policeman who recorded gang

Five key members of hate preacher Anjem Choudary's inner circle have been jailed after they held meetings behind an Anglican church to recruit for ISIS.

The extremist gang incited crowds during Monday meetings in a marquee at St Margaret's Methodist Church in Luton with one speaking of '40 trucks packed with explosives driving down Oxford Street'.

At the meetings, attended by up to 80 people including young children, the group praised IS and urged people to support the terror group and travel to Syria to fight

The group were arrested after they were infiltrated by a brave undercover policeman, who lived with them and spent 20 months secretly recording their hate-filled speeches.

They were members of the banned group al-Muhajiroun once led by Anjem Choudary and Islamist firebrand Omar Bakri Muhammad.

In one rant on July 2 2015, Mohammed Choudry, 23, spoke of '40 trucks driving down Oxford Street full of explosives', the Old Bailey was told.


Crowds of up to 100 men and boys gathered and a banner stated: 'Khilafah est 2014. Dawn of a new era!' - a reference to ISIS declaring an Islamic state



Trump is trying to stop scumbags like this entering the USA meanwhile we have them and their families living in the UK! Still well done to the Police for this

[arista]

Yes About Time
LT

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and they slagged off Tommy Robinson when he highlighted what a state Luton was in

Didn't know Hate Preachers liked to slag off other Hate Preachers

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Didn't know Hate Preachers liked to slag off other Hate Preachers

Could not bring yourself to condemn them?

Hmmm

[Niamh.]

This sort of thing should get severe sentencing imo

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Could not bring yourself to condemn them?

Hmmm

I do condemn them, same as I condemn Tommy Robinson.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I do condemn them, same as I condemn Tommy Robinson.

Thats good Chewy

[jennyjuniper]

Good news. Jail them and then deport them, along with anyone else of like mind. Anyone notice how stuupid and inbred this lot look?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Trump is trying to stop scumbags like this entering the USA meanwhile we have them and their families living in the UK! Still well done to the Police for this

The Magical World of Trump and LT: where we're all supposed to pretend that there aren't already hate preachers and their families living in the USA, too. Is this what alternative facts look like?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The Magical World of Trump and LT: where we're all supposed to pretend that there aren't already hate preachers and their families living in the USA, too. Is this what alternative facts look like?

And that is what the CIA are for but why allow more in?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And that is what the CIA are for but why allow more in?

And therefore increasing that risk - sheer common sense.

[user104658]

Why let anyone ever cross any international boundary at all? Be far safer if we just ban travel completely.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Why let anyone ever cross any international boundary at all? Be far safer if we just ban travel completely.

If we were actually serious about Climate Change all airplane travel bar trade and necessity should be banned and all holidays cancelled.

But we are not

[Livia]

Some people still struggle to condemn these people. Maybe they're too far away from the problem? I hope for their sake reality never strikes closer to home.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I am left-wing and I condemn these vile scum. Is that OK?

[Scarlett.]

I think most left wing people condemn these people, its just right wingers struggle to poke holes in our arguments so they focus on what we didn't say (because it doesnt exactly need saying)

[Beso]

Hopefully they will be kept in isolation instead of being free to spew their vileness and recruit new idiots into their seedy world of hate.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Hopefully they will be kept in isolation instead of being free to spew their vileness and recruit new idiots into their seedy world of hate.

Total bull. Just more name-calling in an attempt to close down any understandable questioning of mass immigration and the effects on the Western world.

We are all accountable for our actions or inactions including Muslims. If one group fail to act on the behaviours of Muslim members of their community acting against the interests of their host country then the community of those non-Muslims that behave in a similar vein in response to this inaction are held accountable instead.

The former inaction is largely responsible for the reaction of the latter that respond in the same way.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Some people still struggle to condemn these people. Maybe they're too far away from the problem? I hope for their sake reality never strikes closer to home.

Originally Posted by Chewy

I think most left wing people condemn these people, its just right wingers struggle to poke holes in our arguments so they focus on what we didn't say (because it doesnt exactly need saying)

Would pretty much of been my answer. Don't confuse a lack of foot stomping and jaw gnashing for not condemning hate preachers, Livia... As chewy says, most people of course do condemn them, but it should go without saying.

Its also not an excuse for ignoring every other related problem (for example, most importantly, an examination of the issues that lead to hate preachers existing in the first place).

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

Some people still struggle to condemn these people. Maybe they're too far away from the problem? I hope for their sake reality never strikes closer to home.

But these people are a poor oppressed minority group.They know not what they do.All this oppression has affected their brains.It's not their fault.They must be wrapped up in warm cotton blankets and protected from all this oppression.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I think most left wing people condemn these people, its just right wingers struggle to poke holes in our arguments so they focus on what we didn't say (because it doesnt exactly need saying)

Precisely, it almost goes without saying that they should be condemned, but a discussion can stretch beyond "I condemn them" without people being jumped on for not outright stating it. It wouldn't be a thread worth reading if that's all it was made up of.
It happens a lot on here that people are accused of not caring about certain issues when there hasn't even been a post from anyone that indicates that.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

I am left-wing and I condemn these vile scum. Is that OK?

Oh yes, that's a very mature contribution to the debate.

Originally Posted by Chewy

I think most left wing people condemn these people, its just right wingers struggle to poke holes in our arguments so they focus on what we didn't say (because it doesnt exactly need saying)

I can't see anywhere on this thread that people have been designated right or left wing. Except the two posts above.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

But these people are a poor oppressed minority group.They know not what they do.All this oppression has affected their brains.It's not their fault.They must be wrapped up in warm cotton blankets and protected from all this oppression.

No one has said anything like that, not on this forum anyway, ever, to my knowledge. You're projecting . Sometimes I genuinely wonder if the "righty/lefty" battle is more accurately a battle between those who see shades of grey, and those who see only in black and white...

Anyway, you're better than this NM. Stop being gang handed.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Total bull. Just more name-calling in an attempt to close down any understandable questioning of mass immigration and the effects on the Western world.

We are all accountable for our actions or inactions including Muslims. If one group fail to act on the behaviours of Muslim members of their community acting against the interests of their host country then the community of those non-Muslims that behave in a similar vein in response to this inaction are held accountable instead.

The former inaction is largely responsible for the reaction of the latter that respond in the same way.

Have you quoted the wrong person?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I think most left wing people condemn these people, its just right wingers struggle to poke holes in our arguments so they focus on what we didn't say (because it doesnt exactly need saying)

The tea.