[arista]

She is not good in interviews
A previous aide said she hates them.


They should have checked that before putting her in place




Give Jenrick a go.

[Livia]

Changing the Tory leader would be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Changing the Tory leader would be like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Yes, well put,


but give it a try....

[joeysteele]

Yes but not with either Jenrick or Braverman.
Because really Badenoch is just more thinking like them.
Running after Farage's Reform ( UKIP MK3) Party in the main.

[MTVN]

It's too early but there needs to be some improvement soon

It's not even that she's unpopular, she's just irrelevant

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's too early but there needs to be some improvement soon

It's not even that she's unpopular, she's just irrelevant

I know you like Jenrick MTVN.
I rarely watch Kuenssberg on Sundays but she had Justine Greening on, who I didn't dislike much during her period prominent in the Conservative party.
However she said more or less, the trying to emulate Farage and Reform wasn't working under Badenoch.

Who do you think could even now start to turn this around for your Party.
Plus be able to pull back the support already lost to Reform.

As I said, I know you like Jenrick but who other than him, who would you really look to, if you had that choice.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I know you like Jenrick MTVN.
I rarely watch Kuenssberg on Sundays but she had Justine Greening on, who I didn't dislike much during her period prominent in the Conservative party.
However she said more or less, the trying to emulate Farage and Reform wasn't working under Badenoch.

Who do you think could even now start to turn this around for your Party.
Plus be able to pull back the support already lost to Reform.

As I said, I know you like Jenrick but who other than him, who would you really look to, if you had that choice.

I actually wanted Kemi at the time because I thought Jenrick was a bit arrogant and ungenuine. I also thought it would be quite powerful for the Conservative party to have a black woman as leader. Since then she's been a bit disappointing though whereas Jenrick is the only one who has landed blows on Starmer with his campaign against two tier justice.

Reality is the options are very limited and it'd be between Jenrick and Cleverly I think. Feels like the Tories are very squeezed as well because they're hemorrhaging votes both sides to the Lib Dems and to Reform

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I actually wanted Kemi at the time because I thought Jenrick was a bit arrogant and ungenuine. I also thought it would be quite powerful for the Conservative party to have a black woman as leader. Since then she's been a bit disappointing though whereas Jenrick is the only one who has landed blows on Starmer with his campaign against two tier justice.

Reality is the options are very limited and it'd be between Jenrick and Cleverly I think. Feels like the Tories are very squeezed as well because they're hemorrhaging votes both sides to the Lib Dems and to Reform

But now
Kemi is arrogant

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's too early but there needs to be some improvement soon

It's not even that she's unpopular, she's just irrelevant

Yes
Replace her faster.

It can be done

[bots]

The problem is that all the Tory mps have had there time. They need new faces with new ideas. The tories got their messaging wrong on immigration. No one can solve it legally but they never explained it. Once you get past the boris 3 word slogans, there is really nothing left and people seem not to be engaged enough to understand nuance these days

[MTVN]

After Jenrick and Cleverly the favourites for next leader aren't even Tory MPs which says it all - Boris and Farage. I think most members would have Boris back in a heartbeat but there's no easy route back to parliament for him

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

After Jenrick and Cleverly the favourites for next leader aren't even Tory MPs which says it all - Boris and Farage. I think most members would have Boris back in a heartbeat but there's no easy route back to parliament for him

Of Course, they would like Boris back
but he is no longer a legit MP

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Of Course, they would like Boris back
but he is no longer a legit MP

He’s probably just biding his time

He will be back

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He’s probably just biding his time

He will be back

As an Advisor
not a MP

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

As an Advisor
not a MP

Na .. only Boris can lead the Tories back into power .. in a couple of years

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

After Jenrick and Cleverly the favourites for next leader aren't even Tory MPs which says it all - Boris and Farage. I think most members would have Boris back in a heartbeat but there's no easy route back to parliament for him

In my opinion, Boris is the only person who could lead any kind of Tory revival.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Livia

In my opinion, Boris is the only person who could lead any kind of Tory revival.

That’s confirmed by any number of online polls / questionnaires plus the bookies ..

[bots]

What great job did Boris do? He was only good at lying

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bots

What great job did Boris do? He was only good at lying

That’s the main requirement. Surely

[joeysteele]

My views on the Conservatives doesn't matter as I'm not a supporter of them.
However I've always had some agreement with the expression, better the devil you know than the one you don't.
Very appropriate at this present time.

I was never an admirer of Johnson, but he was a winner.
Even I have to admit that, plus he was certainly a better bet than the PM before him and the one after him.
In my view.

I do think had he absolutely stuck rigid to the COVID rules he made law for everyone else
Plus had he not tried to cover for or keep in place the MPs of his who did wrong, lobbying or financially and the worst one, trying to cover up for a sexual predator.
I personally wasn't too bothered about his expenses and freebies issues

I think with Ukraine and his then determination to really stand shoulder to shoulder with Ukraine.
Then he likely would have been a much stronger bet still in any election.
I wonder what he really thinks about things now.
As for him coming back again.
I'm not sure it looks like he'd even want to.
Especially at this chaotic time.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

My views on the Conservatives doesn't matter as I'm not a supporter of them.
However I've always had some agreement with the expression, better the devil you know than the one you don't.
Very appropriate at this present time.

I was never an admirer of Johnson, but he was a winner.
Even I have to admit that, plus he was certainly a better bet than the PM before him and the one after him.
In my view.

I do think had he absolutely stuck rigid to the COVID rules he made law for everyone else
Plus had he not tried to cover for or keep in place the MPs of his who did wrong, lobbying or financially and the worst one, trying to cover up for a sexual predator.
I personally wasn't too bothered about his expenses and freebies issues

I think with Ukraine and his then determination to really stand shoulder to shoulder with Ukraine.
Then he likely would have been a much stronger bet still in any election.
I wonder what he really thinks about things now.
As for him coming back again.
I'm not sure it looks like he'd even want to.
Especially at this chaotic time.

To be fair, Johnson was pursued relentlessly, rabidly even, and his political career ended over a covid rule break. Starmer broke the rules and got away with it scot free and is now prime minister. The woman who ran the inquiry into Johnson and came to the conclusion we all knew she would, immediately went to work for Starmer. The whole witch hunt smelled like a fish market on a hot day.

[arista]

In Todays,
Sunday Times
They say by the next General Election
Kemi will not be the leader.

SkyNewsHD Newspaper Review Live

[arista]

Johnson needs to be a Sitting MP

That's his problem.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Johnson needs to be a Sitting MP

That's his problem.

You never know with Johnson.

I'm thinking no way would he want to be involved with the awful state politics is at present.
The awful more prejudicial attitude of Reform and some of its really horrible toxic supporters is extremely concerning.

Although I wouldn't vote Conservative, despite my family in the past up to 2015 being more to the centre right of politics and many voted Conservative too.
I nearly did in 2010, with my first ever vote, however I felt I couldn't trust them with the NHS.
So I voted LibDem hoping for a coalition.
Which I got but then the LibDems supported some really hateful policies like the bedroom tax, tuition fees and on the NHS too.

However any day of the week I'd more welcome a Conservative Party led by Johnson than this awful Party around now, led by, in MY view, one of the worst bigoted and narcissistic individuals possible as to Farage and most of that Reform lot.

[Kate!]

It's absolutely not better the devil you know when the devil in question is an utter out and out scumbucket. Yeah I'm talking about you Keir Starmer.

Starmer and his barmy army of yes men and sycophantic followers/people who still vote out of habit to put it in a nicer way, are dragging this country into a veritable cesspit. The party do not have 1 single redeeming factor.