[Patrick]

This is weird, look at that countdown from the other night 'The greatest noughtie TV shows' or whatever the **** it was called.
They didnt include BB at all but took the piss out of it.

Im making a video on youtube about the Noughties, and went on Google Images.

Type in 'The Noughties' and look at the first bloody picture that comes up.

Yet that show seems to think BB isnt the greatest show of the decade.

[Tellymix]

Brilliant news. It really is the best show of the 00's!

[Tom]

For a start its the BB8 logo so its hardly anything to be proud of

And it was an article written in January 2008 when Big Brother was in a MUCH stronger position than it is now

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Tom

For a start its the BB8 logo so its hardly anything to be proud of

And it was an article written in January 2008 when Big Brother was in a MUCH stronger position than it is now

Lmao thats what I was thinking, like why the hell did they use the BB8 logo.

Well anyway if it was written in January 08 then it still means BB went through 9 series that got the nation talking.
So what if BB10 was a fail, its still just one series compared to the other 9.

It still is the show of the decade as it made headlines and it started when the decade started and everyone has heard of it.

[Brad.]

Top Gear is way better than BB

[BB11UK]

People will never credit BB for creating the biggest TV genre of The Noughties.

Too many shows have taken the concept and become more popular with the press and public.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Brad.

Top Gear is way better than BB

Top Gear is Not

The BBC Riggs which public go into the Studio.


So you have to bring a Female with You.

Now that Stinks.



Women would go anyway,
but the Stupid BBC Riggs it so more women are there than should be.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Brad.

Top Gear is way better than BB

Bradley Branning



sorry about the branning part just needed a last name to add an effect lmao

[Gavin]

I'm afraid this article is a load of rubbish as there's at least 5 other programmes which have been better than Big Brother this decade. Off the top of my head: Top Gear, Lost, Criminal Justice, The Sopranos, The Office...

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Gavin

I'm afraid this article is a load of rubbish as there's at least 5 other programmes which have been better than Big Brother this decade. Off the top of my head: Top Gear, Lost, Criminal Justice, The Sopranos, The Office...

Those shows aren't that influential though

BB has had huge impact on TV and culture

[Patrick]

Gavin its not about being BETTER than Big Brother, its about whats impacted on us this decade.

And im quite sure Top Gear and the Office have ever been on the front page of Newspapers for Race Rows, Pool Orgys, Fight Nights etc

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by Tom

Those shows aren't that influential though

BB has had huge impact on TV and culture

Influence shouldn't be the only factor in deciding what the greatest show in the decade is.

Anyway, I don't think it's been that influential. In what way has it had a huge impact on TV and culture?

It's had a little impact, but not huge...

[Barbie]

People seem to put shame on BB, It got really big in the early years, then it became something you didnt talk about much, more of a secret pleasure that you knew most were watching
But it started of reality TV massively and has been on every year for a decade, if its not a show to be proud of then what is?

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Gavin

Influence shouldn't be the only factor in deciding what the greatest show in the decade is.

Anyway, I don't think it's been that influential. In what way has it had a huge impact on TV and culture?

It's had a little impact, but not huge...

BB started the reality TV boom and its the first show where every single decision was made by the public which lead on to other shows.

No TV shows had spin off shows before Big Brother (in the BBLB sense, not Celebrity BB sense).

Its also tackled a few taboos through controversial housemates which no shows have done before.

It was a defining format and a lot of other shows have copied elements from it such as I'm a Celebrity, Fame Academy, Love Island, Back to Reality, The Farm, Hells Kitchen etc. Its also been used as a model to create interest in shows like X Factor and The Apprentice.

It was one of the very first show to use celebrities as the contestants.

We had no z list celebrity culture before Big Brother which eventually created a huge interest in actual celebrities. There was a bit of interest before but not to todays extent.

[Redmond]

Big Brother is by far the most influential show of the decade. It kickstarted the reality tv genre, for better or for worse. It also impacted scripted TV. To deny BB's influence is to totally underestimate it's impact.

[Patrick]

Well said Tom and Barbie.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Redmond

Big Brother is by far the most influential show of the decade. It kickstarted the reality tv genre, for better or for worse. It also impacted scripted TV. To deny BB's influence is to totally underestimate it's impact.

this

It annoyes me that people say IAC or BGT or the Apperentance, is better than BB when clearly, they wouldnt be here without BB.

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by Tom

BB started the reality TV boom and its the first show where every single decision was made by the public which lead on to other shows.

Popstars began in New Zealand in early 1999, before Big Brother even started in Holland. A core aspect of Popstars was the fact that viewers could vote.

Big Brother just took the same aspect and made sure that every single decision was made by the public. It did not make up the concept of reality TV show phone voting. That had already been done. Big Brother itself is largley influenced by The Real World which began in 1992.

No TV shows had spin off shows before Big Brother (in the BBLB sense, not Celebrity BB sense).

Actually that's incorrect. Spin offs have been around for years. In 1960, a programme called the Andy Griffiths Show began which is a spin-off of The Danny Thomas Show. Check it out on Google if you don't believe me.

Frasier is a spin-off of Cheers. Beverly Hills 90210 spined off to Melrose Place. All long before BB.

It was a defining format and a lot of other shows have copied elements from it such as I'm a Celebrity, Fame Academy, Love Island, Back to Reality, The Farm, Hells Kitchen etc. Its also been used as a model to create interest in shows like X Factor and The Apprentice.

Fame Academy is more influenced by Popstars. Hell's Kitchen, also, I don't think was heavily influenced by Big Brother.

X Factor is just an evolution of Pop Idol which itself was an evolution of Popstars. I disagree about The Apprentice, there's no phone voting and there's little seen of the contestants inside the house. Most of it is based around the business tasks. It's a very loose link to Big Brother.

The others, I agree were influenced a lot by Big Brother. But it's no different from a drama being influenced by another drama which was made years ago. You could argue that EastEnders and all these other soaps are influenced from Corrie, which itself was influenced from radio soap The Guilding Light.

It was one of the very first show to use celebrities as the contestants.

Not true. Celebrity Jeopardy had been running on TV since 1996.

We had no z list celebrity culture before Big Brother which eventually created a huge interest in actual celebrities. There was a bit of interest before but not to todays extent.

The Z list celebrity culture was influenced by BB, indeed. But I think the Internet and the rise of trashy magazines arguably had a bigger part in that.

[Gavin]

Originally Posted by Redmond

Big Brother is by far the most influential show of the decade. It kickstarted the reality tv genre, for better or for worse. It also impacted scripted TV. To deny BB's influence is to totally underestimate it's impact.

It helped kickstart the reality TV genre, but was certainly not alone in doing so. Popstars had been around before BB.

It's not really impacted on scripted TV much, I don't know where you get that link from.

The people who keep saying that Big Brother's a huge influential show are just fans of the show. Ask people on the street which one's been the most influential show, and they probably wouldn't answer BB... they probably wouldn't say anything actually.

I'm not saying BB's not been influential, it has been... but it's been exaggerated on here.

[ILoveTRW]

Originally Posted by Tom

Its also tackled a few taboos through controversial housemates which no shows have done before.

wrong, the real world had:
a gay guy in 1992
a pregnant women wondering whether of not to have an abortion in 1993
a person dying from aids in 1994
a threesome in 1996
a women getting smacked in the face by a guy because she called him a homo in 1998
and a women who was an alacholic and nearly commited suicide on the show in 1999

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Gavin

Popstars began in New Zealand in early 1999, before Big Brother even started in Holland. A core aspect of Popstars was the fact that viewers could vote.

Big Brother just took the same aspect and made sure that every single decision was made by the public. It did not make up the concept of reality TV show phone voting. That had already been done. Big Brother itself is largley influenced by The Real World which began in 1992.

Actually the original Popstars series' were just behind the scenes documentaries. The public vote wasn't introduced until after Big Brother had aired.

Its the later versions of Big Brother that were influenced by The Real World. The manipulation never began until 2004. Until then it was very much based on 1984.

Actually that's incorrect. Spin offs have been around for years. In 1960, a programme called the Andy Griffiths Show began which is a spin-off of The Danny Thomas Show. Check it out on Google if you don't believe me.

Frasier is a spin-off of Cheers. Beverly Hills 90210 spined off to Melrose Place. All long before BB.

I said spin offs in the sense of BBLB, not Celebrity Big Brother. Those types of spin off shows have been around for ages, but I'm on about ones based purely on one show, not a new show loosely related to an older one. The shows in question these days that would not be around with Big Brother are the likes of Xtra Factor, IAC Now, The Apprentice: You're Fired, Dr Who thing on BBC3 etc. I'm on about backstage shows.

Fame Academy is more influenced by Popstars. Hell's Kitchen, also, I don't think was heavily influenced by Big Brother.

X Factor is just an evolution of Pop Idol which itself was an evolution of Popstars. I disagree about The Apprentice, there's no phone voting and there's little seen of the contestants inside the house. Most of it is based around the business tasks. It's a very loose link to Big Brother.

The others, I agree were influenced a lot by Big Brother. But it's no different from a drama being influenced by another drama which was made years ago. You could argue that EastEnders and all these other soaps are influenced from Corrie, which itself was influenced from radio soap The Guilding Light.

The latest series of Hell's Kitchen was heavily based on Big Brother (albeit the American version). There was next to no cooking but more about the celebs. The Apprentice link to Big Brother is the observation slant. The original Popstars had no phone vote, so you can't have it both ways. Its also quite trashy and people now watch it for arguments rather than the actual business aspect. They also have Big Brother rejects on the show.

Not true. Celebrity Jeopardy had been running on TV since 1996.

The Z list celebrity culture was influenced by BB, indeed. But I think the Internet and the rise of trashy magazines arguably had a bigger part in that.

If you read properly I said there was a bit of interest but it never really took off until Big Brother.

Heat Magazine never took off until Big Brother housemates started to appear on the cover. Other magazines realised that and they started using either BB housemates or other non-entities. The internet of course plays a part but BB has been a heavily internet based show and at the start of the decade, the majority of z listers being spoken about online were in fact Big Brother housemates.

[Gavin]

ILoveDC has already explained that taboos has already been tackled by The Real World which began in 1992. Onto other points...

Originally Posted by Tom

Actually the original Popstars series' were just behind the scenes documentaries. The public vote wasn't introduced until after Big Brother had aired.

I stand corrected regarding Popstars. But Big Brother still wasn't the first show where viewers voted in by phone to choose a winner. That was the Eurovision Song Contest, when televoting began in 1997.

Arguably that was what influenced Big Brother to have phone voting. So although Big Brother might've been the first "reality show" to have phone voting, the concept had been around for 2 years prior to that.

I credit the Eurovision Song Contest for the innovation of having the public ringing in to make a decision, not Big Brother .

I said spin offs in the sense of BBLB, not Celebrity Big Brother. Those types of spin off shows have been around for ages, but I'm on about ones based purely on one show, not a new show loosely related to an older one. The shows in question these days that would not be around with Big Brother are the likes of Xtra Factor, IAC Now, The Apprentice: You're Fired, Dr Who thing on BBC3 etc. I'm on about backstage shows.

Pop Idol Extra started just a few months after BBLB. It's very likely that plans were in place to have Pop Idol Extra even before a public announcement was made regarding BBLB.

So I don't think it's fair to say that all those shows you've mentioned wouldn't be around without Big Brother. With the huge increase in reality television in the early part of the decade, spin offs were inevitably going to happen regardless of whether BBLB was around or not, especially with the rise of spin off digital channels.

The latest series of Hell's Kitchen was heavily based on Big Brother (albeit the American version). There was next to no cooking but more about the celebs. The Apprentice link to Big Brother is the observation slant. The original Popstars had no phone vote, so you can't have it both ways. Its also quite trashy and people now watch it for arguments rather than the actual business aspect. They also have Big Brother rejects on the show.

I didn't watch the last series of Hell's Kitcjen, so can't comment.

The Apprentice was created by Mark Burnett who had previously worked on Survivor. I think the insiration for the Apprentice was taken more from Survivor than Big Brother.

Big Brother used to be a good show. But because the show has been so crap over the last few years, I think people on here are looking back with rose tinted spectacles and are exaggerating the influence BB had on TV. It's not had a massive influence, it's not the greatest programme of the decade. Most people on the street would not call Big Brother the most influential or greatest show of the decade. People on here have to accept that, it didn't even make the Top 20 list of the greatest shows of the 00's according to Channel 4!