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Angus · 13-01-2011, 10:55 AM

Oliver Garwood, 18 years old, has been sentenced to 2 years and 8 months for throwing a fire extinguisher from a roof during the student riots, after his mother turned him in to the police. I know it was a serious offence, but compared to some of the lenient sentences handed down to serial thugs and paedophiles, it seems draconian and his life is now probably ruined.

Would you shop your child (or any other close relative or friend for that matter) if you knew they had committed a serious crime?

Niamh. · 13-01-2011, 10:56 AM

probably not no.

Jessica. · 13-01-2011, 10:59 AM

Yes.

Angus · 13-01-2011, 11:01 AM

I think the only circumstance I could imagine me turning in my own child would be if I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that he had killed or seriously hurt someone, either deliberately or, for example, a hit and run, or that he was involved in paedophilia in ANY way, from downloading child porn to actually molesting a child. I would feel complicit in such crimes by keeping silent, apart from the fact that I believe there have to be consequences for such horrendous crimes.

InOne · 13-01-2011, 11:02 AM

If I know 100% that they were a rapist, or a paedophile then yes. Cos they'd be a danger to the public.

Josy · 13-01-2011, 11:04 AM

It would depend on the severity of the crime they had committed.

Stephanie · 13-01-2011, 11:08 AM

my mum has turned me into the police about something before. i definitely wouldn't though.

Niamh. · 13-01-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by InOne

If I know 100% that they were a rapist, or a paedophile then yes. Cos they'd be a danger to the public.

yeah actually, I agree with this

arista · 13-01-2011, 11:10 AM

Yes

you need to Learn in Life.

Feel The Force

arista · 13-01-2011, 11:14 AM

"after his mother turned him in to"

by that time SkyNews had his photo on TV
then the BBC used it.

He was wanted by the police
his mother is Clever as because he turned himself in
the judge took that as a good thing.

James · 13-01-2011, 11:16 AM

In some cases you'd be doing them a favour by turning them in. It could give someone a chance to change their ways if they are involved in a pattern of getting in trouble. They might go on to commit more serious offences if you didn't and really mess their lives up.

The mother that encouraged her son to hand himself in over the student riots probably knew it was the best course of action, albeit difficult. He would probably been identified eventually anyway.

Jordan. · 13-01-2011, 11:32 AM

Same as what others said, that it'd come down to what the crime was.

For this I don't think she should have.

Angus · 13-01-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by James

In some cases you'd be doing them a favour by turning them in. It could give someone a chance to change their ways if they are involved in a pattern of getting in trouble. They might go on to commit more serious offences if you didn't and really mess their lives up.

The mother that encouraged her son to hand himself in over the student riots probably knew it was the best course of action, albeit difficult. He would probably been identified eventually anyway.

In this case, you are probably correct, though that doesn't mitigate the fact that she feels responsible now for having done so, and of course at age 18 he has a criminal record which will follow him throughout his life. The sentence he got doesn't sound to me like they gave him much credit at all - it's positively draconian compared to what those who commit far worse crimes have received. Drunk drivers who actually kill someone get away with much lighter sentences.

I think they are making an example of this young man in view of the recent riots, to send out a warning message to students contemplating getting involved in further rioting.

InOne · 13-01-2011, 11:46 AM

Sort of comes down to the whole moral issue which is purely subjective. The "Would you steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family" type thing

Beastie · 13-01-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

It would depend on the severity of the crime they had committed.

This. I might be strict and want them to own up for the crime though even if it's small. Chances are if they can get away with a minor crime then they will do something bigger next time. However for a small offence I would not want to see them going to jail. Mmm.

Beastie · 13-01-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

Oliver Garwood, 18 years old, has been sentenced to 2 years and 8 months for throwing a fire extinguisher from a roof during the student riots, after his mother turned him in to the police. I know it was a serious offence, but compared to some of the lenient sentences handed down to serial thugs and paedophiles, it seems draconian and his life is now probably ruined.

Would you shop your child (or any other close relative or friend for that matter) if you knew they had committed a serious crime?

It sounds a harsher sentence compared to the other people who have more lenient sentences and have done even worse things. If the dude who threw the fire extinguisher didn't hit anyone at the bottom or harm anyone then he should have a shorter sentence or maybe community service. I would not turn my daughter or son if they just threw a fire extinguisher. However if they harmed anyone with it then that's a different story.

joeysteele · 13-01-2011, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

If I know 100% that they were a rapist, or a paedophile then yes. Cos they'd be a danger to the public.

I would agree with this comment,its something I have discussed with my Grandparents and Parents who take the view they doubt they could ever do so but I think the above 2 crimes highlighted by InOne are too bad to ignore,also murder too.

If the day comes I ever have Children then I would hope to persaude them to give themselves up if they ever did great wrong but if that failed then for the above crimes I would feel I would have to act to protect others.

MTVN · 13-01-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58

Oliver Garwood, 18 years old, has been sentenced to 2 years and 8 months for throwing a fire extinguisher from a roof during the student riots, after his mother turned him in to the police. I know it was a serious offence, but compared to some of the lenient sentences handed down to serial thugs and paedophiles, it seems draconian and his life is now probably ruined.

Would you shop your child (or any other close relative or friend for that matter) if you knew they had committed a serious crime?

Oliver Garwood?

That wasnt his name, he was called Edward Woolard

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Originally Posted by thebeast

It sounds a harsher sentence compared to the other people who have more lenient sentences and have done even worse things. If the dude who threw the fire extinguisher didn't hit anyone at the bottom or harm anyone then he should have a shorter sentence or maybe community service. I would not turn my daughter or son if they just threw a fire extinguisher. However if they harmed anyone with it then that's a different story.

It was throw into a crowd from a significant height though, could easily have seriously injured or perhaps killed someone.

Anyway, in answer to the question, I would if it was a serious offence but not for something minor

BB_Eye · 13-01-2011, 03:41 PM

If I had kids then yeah, I would turn them over and they would probably thank me later.

The only exception would be possession of something like cannabis or MDMA which I don't agree with the law on.

Jack_ · 13-01-2011, 03:42 PM

Probably not no, but like someone else said it'd depend on the severity of the crime.

To be honest though, I'd probably only turn them in if I thought myself and/or the rest of my family were in danger...

Livia · 13-01-2011, 03:47 PM

Depending on the severity of the crime, yes I would probably turn them in. Although I would encourage them to turn themself in first.

If I had been this kid's mother, I would most definitely have turned him in. What kind of moron have you got to be to throw a fire extinguisher from a roof, into a crowd of people? University material? Probably not. Ironically, his sentence is about as long as it'd take for him to get a degree.

Vicky. · 13-01-2011, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

If I know 100% that they were a rapist, or a paedophile then yes. Cos they'd be a danger to the public.

Yeah this.

Though I'm not even sure if I would turn them over for murder, depending on the circumstances :/

Niamh. · 13-01-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah this.

Though I'm not even sure if I would turn them over for murder, depending on the circumstances :/

I'd be the same

Ninastar · 13-01-2011, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes

you need to Learn in Life.

Feel The Force

I agree. The child cant go around thinking they can get away with everything. If they know that there mother didn't hand them into the police about something wrong and possibly illegal, then they could end up doing worse

Angus · 13-01-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Depending on the severity of the crime, yes I would probably turn them in. Although I would encourage them to turn themself in first.

If I had been this kid's mother, I would most definitely have turned him in. What kind of moron have you got to be to throw a fire extinguisher from a roof, into a crowd of people? University material? Probably not. Ironically, his sentence is about as long as it'd take for him to get a degree.

I agree it was a moronic act, but my problem is with the sentence bearing in mind nobody was actually hurt(admittedly more by luck than judgment) but compared to the lenient sentences handed down to drunk drivers who kill, paedophiles who groom kids, and the like, it seems unduly harsh.

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