[Liberty4eva]

Seriously. That is the vibe I get. If I didn't want people from the Middle East to come to the USA would that make me a bad person?

[thesheriff443]

I think it makes you narrow minded, bad people come from every where the same as good people.
If the shoe was on the other foot and someone was saying they don't want you coming to them because of where you are from would you not think that was wrong.

There was a good program on once where a child was locked up with chickens, he then took on all the traits of a chicken.

[VanessaFeltz.]

I mean no but you have to think there are valuable people in middle east for example me (:P) that would be an asset to the society rather than hinder it.

Strict control in borders is an understandable and smart desicion but to say you CANT come is... bad

[Beso]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I think it makes you narrow minded, bad people come from every where the same as good people.
If the shoe was on the other foot and someone was saying they don't want you coming to them because of where you are from would you not think that was wrong.

There was a good program on once where a child was locked up with chickens, he then took on all the traits of a chicken.

Obviously not a muslim child or the chickens eggs would be popping out little chicklims.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Seriously. That is the vibe I get. If I didn't want people from the Middle East to come to the USA would that make me a bad person?

I think its stupid to let any Tom ,Dick and Harry into a country,let people in by all means but have the sense to vet them and do not let any race destroy your countries culture and traditions, this is what has happened a lot here in the UK, some places here are uncomfortable to walk round in, so it's not racist just common sense.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Seriously. That is the vibe I get. If I didn't want people from the Middle East to come to the USA would that make me a bad person?

Err... if you don't want ANYONE from the Middle East to come to the US as a sweeping generalisation, regardless of who they are / what they believe in, then yes that is in fact the very definition of racism. Sorry.

I mean there's more of a discussion if you go into issues of religion or culture / integration but you're saying you don't want "anyone from the Middle East" full stop, regardless of their religion, upbringing, or personal philosophies?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Seriously. That is the vibe I get. If I didn't want people from the Middle East to come to the USA would that make me a bad person?

No I see it More Simple
Legit Legal Immigrants are Fine
they arrive , Pay TAX, and work
become part of the community.


L4e you are missing the point
say Legit Legal Immigrants
then left and right agree. (ref : CNN HD, FoxNewsHD, CBSnewsHD)

Its all these ILLEGAL Immigrants
that will be stopped in USA and UK


there is a red line
never cross that red line



Life In The City.

[Withano]

Not all anti-immigration people are racist
But all racist people are anti-immigration

Youll only be presumed to be the latter if you have a dodgy reasoning or poor word choices.

[Livia]

Being anti-immigration doesn't mean you are racist, but it does mean that you will be judged by those who are not anti-immigration. They're the ones who will decide. They'll interpret your words in whichever way suits them and turn it around to shine the light of goodness upon themselves while casting you down as a Nazi.

Also, if you don't want people from the Middle East coming to your country, people will point out that all Muslims are not terrorists and how we could be missing out on good people adding value to our country. And you know, the MINUTE we have a way of checking which ones coming in are terrorist and who are moderates, they will have a point. Because if I was in charge of Al Qaida, IS or any of the lunatic terrorist organisations, I'd be making sure every second person was one of mine.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

Being anti-immigration doesn't mean you are racist, but it does mean that you will be judged by those who are not anti-immigration. They're the ones who will decide. They'll interpret your words in whichever way suits them and turn it around to shine the light of goodness upon themselves while casting you down as a Nazi.

Also, if you don't want people from the Middle East coming to your country, people will point out that all Muslims are not terrorists and how we could be missing out on good people adding value to our country. And you know, the MINUTE we have a way of checking which ones coming in are terrorist and who are moderates, they will have a point. Because if I was in charge of Al Qaida, IS or any of the lunatic terrorist organisations, I'd be making sure every second person was one of mine.

Livia you judge just like we all do and highlight the parts of someone's post that suits you agenda.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Livia you judge just like we all do and highlight the parts of someone's post that suits you agenda.

I don't have an agenda. I have opinions.

This is a Big Brother forum. In the sceme of things, it isn't important that everyone likes me or agrees with me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Not all anti-immigration people are racist
But all racist people are anti-immigration

Youll only be presumed to be the latter if you have a dodgy reasoning or poor word choices.

thats is just a left wing slogan and has no basis in fact

you are just repeating what you heard, probably on tv

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Being anti-immigration doesn't mean you are racist, but it does mean that you will be judged by those who are not anti-immigration. They're the ones who will decide. They'll interpret your words in whichever way suits them and turn it around to shine the light of goodness upon themselves while casting you down as a Nazi.

Also, if you don't want people from the Middle East coming to your country, people will point out that all Muslims are not terrorists and how we could be missing out on good people adding value to our country. And you know, the MINUTE we have a way of checking which ones coming in are terrorist and who are moderates, they will have a point. Because if I was in charge of Al Qaida, IS or any of the lunatic terrorist organisations, I'd be making sure every second person was one of mine.

[ebandit]

..........i don't expect to have right to emigrate to USA or sweden....................

Mark L

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't have an agenda. I have opinions.

This is a Big Brother forum. In the sceme of things, it isn't important that everyone likes me or agrees with me.

You have an opinion that's true, we all do but when you say some people will take what is said and twist it you are talking about members on here.

I don't kiss arse, but I also don't feel the need to argue with people who disagree with my opinions.

And true its a bb forum.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I take it everyone on the forum would of course agree we have had too much uncontrolled immigration in the UK?

[Tom4784]

Wanting stricter immigration policies does not make you a racist, it's the intent and motivation that makes the difference. Not all people that want a tough immigration stance are racist but all racists want that tough stance.

The whole 'if I speak out against immigration then I'm gonna be called a racist' is just a shield to discredit those accusations. It's simple to spot a racist and more often then not, it's not their stance on immigration that gets them clocked.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I take it everyone on the forum would of course agree we have had too much uncontrolled immigration in the UK?

Yes I would agree with that statement.

[DemolitionRed]

I don't think its racist to be concerned but I think its naive if you have become concerned because you have been listening to far right media.

What we need is proper debate about immigration but every time we try to do that, we just end up with faux outrage on both sides. I've got some small concerns about immigration and I would like some of my questions answered but I won't converse and debate with people who think all the Middle East are a psychotic death cult or Eastern Europeans are stealing all our jobs.

Our laws on immigration mustn't be built on the backs of prejudice and bigotry but on sensible solutions.

[Northern Monkey]

If you don't want middle eastern people to be let in because brown people then that is racist.
If you don't want Islam in your country then no that is not racist as you are against a religion which is your right.
Islam is a problem.Sikhs and Hindus and pretty much every other religion seems to integrate fine without causing problems.
Islamisation only takes civilisations backwards.Just look at the state of mainland Europe now and it's not getting any better.
Even once beautiful parts of Britain have been Islamised and turned into Muslim ghettos and are unrecognisable and some are no go areas for whites.
There are areas where you could mistake them for being a middle eastern towns if it weren't for the bad whether.

Personally though i'm not against immigration from the middle east but i'd control it much better and i'd let more refugees in who need our help first.More than we are now.From the camps and vetted and i'd take in professionals who we need i.e doctors,business men etc.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Wanting stricter immigration policies does not make you a racist, it's the intent and motivation that makes the difference. Not all people that want a tough immigration stance are racist but all racists want that tough stance.

The whole 'if I speak out against immigration then I'm gonna be called a racist' is just a shield to discredit those accusations. It's simple to spot a racist and more often then not, it's not their stance on immigration that gets them clocked.

'Clocking'' as you put it could just as easily be described as paranoia. Just because you think you have 'clocked' someone doesn't make you right - you do realise that don't you. Your opinion is not always right.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't have an agenda. I have opinions.

This is a Big Brother forum. In the sceme of things, it isn't important that everyone likes me or agrees with me.

You have to accept immigration from everywhere to prove you aren't prejudiced in my view.

If you have an opinion where is it? our post covers some A N Others opinion...not yours.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Seriously. That is the vibe I get. If I didn't want people from the Middle East to come to the USA would that make me a bad person?

No and no one should allow people who think like that to make them doubt themselves. Their opinions are simply that, opinions,

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You have to accept immigration from everywhere to prove you aren't prejudiced in my view.

.

Excuse me for not buying into that load of old leftist nonsence.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You have to accept immigration from everywhere to prove you aren't prejudiced in my view.

I mean yeah.Obviously your statement is an inarguable fact.
However that does'nt make you 'racist' if you don't.
You may be for example perfectly fine with people from Egypt coming in but not from Iraq.

Predjudice is'nt always a bad thing.I'm pretty predjudiced towards radical Islamists preaching hate.That's not a bad thing.Calling somebody predjudiced is'nt necessarily an insult.
Everyone is predjudiced towards something.