[Abhorsen]

The Burka is to be banned in the UK. And why not?

[InOne]

I doubt it will be. We're too PC.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

The Burka is to be banned in the UK. And why not?

Anything like a link or some other proof to back up this ludicrous claim?

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Anything like a link or some other proof to back up this ludicrous claim?

You should get ready to post your apology for your post above.

Go Google Philip Hollobone, Conservative MP. Then come back and post your apology.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

You should get ready to post your apology for your post above.

Go Google Philip Hollobone, Conservative MP. Then come back and post your apology.

So one MP shouting for it to be banned means it will be?

Grow the flick up, thats not how democracy nor the UK legislative procedure works. So by all means please do hold your breath waiting for that apology.

Try this the government may allow Hollobone to introduce a Private Members Bill (if you dont know what that is, go google), he may even gain some support for it, however while the majority of MP's and even the public may actually support the idea in private, they wont vote for it.

Here is why it wont come into effect in the UK(its complex Abhorsen so you may have to read it once or twice), It isnt yet law in France(another BS claim on your part) till its gone through the Senate and then been reviewed by their legal watchdog, after that it may be challenged in the European Court of Human Rights.

If we bring a ban on it onto the statute books when Europe says a ban is discriminatory the UK Government will have to hand out compensation. And we will have to because the UK legislature have a habit of completely mucking up even the simplest legislation and agreeing to compo being paid out when there was no requirement, (Pregnant females losing jobs in the Armed Forces, prisoners being paid for slopping out cells springs to mind there).

Whereas the UK tend to listen to Europe, the French think they own Europe and that European rulings dont really apply to them, hence why hauliers and farmers are still waiting for compensation from the French for coming close to 20 years for burning lorries containing sheep.

Whilst it may seem to be a great idea to ban what people can wear in public, we have other laws that allow freedom of expression and religious belief. Although some schools of Islam insist a burkha is not a requirement, some schools do, and the end result is punishing and criminalising all the women who do wear one whether they have been forced to, brainwashed into or believe themselves it is right to wear one.

But the big thing is we expect ourselves to be classed as a multicultural society and then ostracise some members of that society for following what they rightly or wrongly believe is a requirement of their faith.

Now it really is a shame if some feminists and other PC advocates view allowing women to wear a burkha as a slight against a womans rights etc. and their feelings are hurt by this. But can you really see many muslim women who wear them testifying against their husband or family saying they mde them wear it?

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

You should get ready to post your apology for your post above.

Go Google Philip Hollobone, Conservative MP. Then come back and post your apology.

"the government" does not equal "Philip Hollobone, Conservative MP"

try harder

[30stone]

It be good but i dont think it will happen.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by 30stone

It be good but i dont think it will happen.

They didn't think it would happen in France etc. but it has.

[Simone.]

I don't think it should be though to be honest.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Simone.

I don't think it should be though to be honest.

Why not?

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Simone.

I don't think it should be though to be honest.

Why not?

If you go to certain muslim countries, if you are a woman, you would be expected by law to cover your head, shoulders legs etc. BY LAW, because that is their culture - regardless of YOUR religious or cultural beliefs. Therefore, our laws, in Britain, should reflect our cultural values. A typical woman in Britain does NOT wear a Burka.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Why not?

If you go to certain muslim countries, if you are a woman, you would be expected by law to cover your head, shoulders legs etc. BY LAW, because that is their culture - regardless of YOUR religious or cultural beliefs. Therefore, our laws, in Britain, should reflect our cultural values. A typical woman in Britain does NOT wear a Burka.

I agree with this 100%.

[red]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Why not?

If you go to certain muslim countries, if you are a woman, you would be expected by law to cover your head, shoulders legs etc. BY LAW, because that is their culture - regardless of YOUR religious or cultural beliefs. Therefore, our laws, in Britain, should reflect our cultural values. A typical woman in Britain does NOT wear a Burka.

i have to agree 100% ^even though im originally from the midd-east

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Why not?

If you go to certain muslim countries, if you are a woman, you would be expected by law to cover your head, shoulders legs etc. BY LAW, because that is their culture - regardless of YOUR religious or cultural beliefs. Therefore, our laws, in Britain, should reflect our cultural values. A typical woman in Britain does NOT wear a Burka.

I never knew this, and taking that into consideration, yeah it should be banned.

[dudus]

Originally Posted by Simone.

I don't think it should be though to be honest.

why? so all the ****s and terrorists can blow us up? GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY RITE NOW

[Tom4784]

I couldn't care either way really.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I couldn't care either way really.

Then why post?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Then why post?

Because it's my opinion that I don't care and I'm allowed to share my apathy on the matter.

Although the point about muslim countries and the UK has a big flaw, By large we're a non denominational democracy so we're allowed to wear what we want as it's our right as residents of the UK while in strict Muslim countries that right might not exist so the comparision doesn't really work as our government types are different.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because it's my opinion that I don't care and I'm allowed to share my apathy on the matter.

Although the point about muslim countries and the UK has a big flaw, By large we're a non denominational democracy so we're allowed to wear what we want as it's our right as residents of the UK while in strict Muslim countries that right might not exist so the comparision doesn't really work as our government types are different.

What about just not doing out of respect for the country they are in? What you said basically shows how backwards the Middle East is in some places.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by InOne

What about just not doing out of respect for the country they are in? What you said basically shows how backwards the Middle East is in some places.

The point is for better or worse we have the right to wear what we want and it would be hypocrtical if we didn't offer that right to everyone. I'm not defendng middle eastern attitudes or governments I just said that to highlight the differences.

At the end of the day if someone chooses to wear a Burkha then I couldn't care less, obviously there should be some restrictions similar to hats or hoodies when it comes to security measures but ultimately people can wear what they want to wear for all I care.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Although the point about muslim countries and the UK has a big flaw, By large we're a non denominational democracy so we're allowed to wear what we want as it's our right as residents of the UK while in strict Muslim countries that right might not exist so the comparision doesn't really work as our government types are different.

You might want to check for flaws in your thinking. For a start our head of state is the Queen, she is the head of the Church of England, that make's Britain a Christian nation and not the so called ' non denominational democracy' that you suggest. In fact, people living in Britain are subjects, and by agreeing to such you agree to be Christian or not oppose the ruling Christian authority. It's only because the Queen chooses to allow other faiths in Britain that they are allowed to live here.

What has happened is that Britain has become too lenient and as such our culture is not shown respect by other cultures.

Actually, it is exactly your apathy which typifies the problem.

You do also realise that men and women who advocate burkas think that British women are immoral for not wearing them, and as such that is actually an insult to British men and women.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

You might want to check for flaws in your thinking. For a start our head of state is the Queen, she is the head of the Church of England, that make's Britain a Christian nation and not the so called ' non denominational democracy' that you suggest. In fact, people living in Britain are subjects, and by agreeing to such you agree to be Christian or not oppose the ruling Christian authority. It's only because the Queen chooses to allow other faiths in Britain that they are allowed to live here.

What has happened is that Britain has become too lenient and as such our culture is not shown respect by other cultures.

Actually, it is exactly your apathy which typifies the problem.

You do also realise that men and women who advocate burkas think that British women are immoral for not wearing them, and as such that is actually an insult to British men and women.

LOL.

It's like I have fallen out of a wormhole and into the Have Your Say section of a Daily Mail article.

Nobody really gives a flying fuck about ol' queenie, do they? I'm sure if you want to get anal about it then you actually are 'subjects' but in the minds of the people they certainly don't see themselves as subjects. At least the vast, vast majority don't. Most don't give her a moments thought. A lot of people see her as the figurehead of a dated concept with all the cultural influence of a fucking cement mixer.

The queen is dead.

Celebrate.

[brian3]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

You do also realise that men and women who advocate burkas think that British women are immoral for not wearing them, and as such that is actually an insult to British men and women.

How do you know that. A 5 minuet interview with a couple of extremist on the news

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

You might want to check for flaws in your thinking. For a start our head of state is the Queen, she is the head of the Church of England, that make's Britain a Christian nation and not the so called ' non denominational democracy' that you suggest. In fact, people living in Britain are subjects, and by agreeing to such you agree to be Christian or not oppose the ruling Christian authority. It's only because the Queen chooses to allow other faiths in Britain that they are allowed to live here.

What has happened is that Britain has become too lenient and as such our culture is not shown respect by other cultures.

Actually, it is exactly your apathy which typifies the problem.

You do also realise that men and women who advocate burkas think that British women are immoral for not wearing them, and as such that is actually an insult to British men and women.

The Queen doesn't choose anything as she holds no de facto authority over this country and only exists as a ceremonial head of state. We live in a multifaith society and also a democracy where people are permitted to follow any religion, ideology or philosophy they like. Live and let live.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

You might want to check for flaws in your thinking. For a start our head of state is the Queen, she is the head of the Church of England, that make's Britain a Christian nation and not the so called ' non denominational democracy' that you suggest. In fact, people living in Britain are subjects, and by agreeing to such you agree to be Christian or not oppose the ruling Christian authority. It's only because the Queen chooses to allow other faiths in Britain that they are allowed to live here.

What has happened is that Britain has become too lenient and as such our culture is not shown respect by other cultures.

Actually, it is exactly your apathy which typifies the problem.

You do also realise that men and women who advocate burkas think that British women are immoral for not wearing them, and as such that is actually an insult to British men and women.

Technically we are a Christian country BUT we're not ruled by a religion say in the same way that some middle eastern countries are, that's what I'm getting at, Our government doesn't consist of only christians there's a plethora of faiths and such. We're non denominational in a way that doesn't really place any religion higher then another despite being traditional country...Do you get what I mean?

As for the part about the Queen, most of her power is typically token nowadays. She couldn't force anyone's beliefs in this day and age realistically.

As for your last point, they can think what they like it does no harm. It's not like Islam's suddenly gonna take over and Shariah law will govern the land if we don't ban Burkhas.