[arista]

it was -25
in the back of the lorry
they started banging on the walls
alerting the Driver.
It came from Holland.


http://news.sky.com/story/suspected-...vices-10608427



more problems for us tax payers

[Northern Monkey]

Just chillin.Send em back to Syria that'll warm em up

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by northern monkey

just chillin.send em back to syria that'll warm em up

hahaha its funny cause they'll die hahahahahahaha

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Chewy

hahaha its funny cause they'll die hahahahahahaha

No actually i was thinking more putting them in the refugee camps so they can come to Europe legally.

How many safe countries d'you reckon they passed through to get here?
They must get Benefits Britain on TV over there.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Just chillin.Send em back to Syria that'll warm em up

lol made me chuckle.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Just chillin.Send em back to Syria that'll warm em up

That's so gross

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Just chillin.Send em back to Syria that'll warm em up

gross

[Niamh.]

I feel so bad for these people, some of the photos that have been emerging from Syria the last week are so scary. We don't know how lucky we are to have been born this side of the world. And you can be sure if we weren't we'd be doing what we could to find a safer place for our families too

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I feel so bad for these people, some of the photos that have been emerging from Syria the last week are so scary. We don't know how lucky we are to have been born this side of the world. And you can be sure if we weren't we'd be doing what we could to find a safer place for our families too

This x100

These people are scared for their lives, their childrens lives, have witnessed horrifying violence and so on, and for the general attitude to be 'just **** off to Syria or whatever..its heartbreaking really. I can guarantee EVERY one of us (by us I mean people living in the UK) would be doing whatever possible to get the hell out of here if we were unlucky enough to end up in the same situation as these people were in.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This x100

These people are scared for their lives, their childrens lives, have witnessed horrifying violence and so on, and for the general attitude to be 'just **** off to Syria or whatever..its heartbreaking really. I can guarantee EVERY one of us (by us I mean people living in the UK) would be doing whatever possible to get the hell out of here if we were unlucky enough to end up in the same situation as these people were in.

Exactly, I get why people are scared of refugees, but our fear is nothing compared to theirs, their country has been totally torn apart, and they have nowhere else left to go.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This x100

These people are scared for their lives, their childrens lives, have witnessed horrifying violence and so on, and for the general attitude to be 'just **** off to Syria or whatever..its heartbreaking really. I can guarantee EVERY one of us (by us I mean people living in the UK) would be doing whatever possible to get the hell out of here if we were unlucky enough to end up in the same situation as these people were in.

You know if they'd stayed in Turkey,Greece,Germany,France or whatever other countries they passed through they probably would'nt have been caught.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I feel so bad for these people, some of the photos that have been emerging from Syria the last week are so scary. We don't know how lucky we are to have been born this side of the world. And you can be sure if we weren't we'd be doing what we could to find a safer place for our families too

Yeah but they're brown people so who cares

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yeah but they're brown people so who cares

pathetic

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yeah but they're brown people so who cares

mmhhmm I'm so sad I'm a part of this rotten part of history

[Ammi]

...there shouldn't be 'illegal' in humanity...go back and make yourself legal before you come knocking on our door for refuge...it's like someone turning up on our doorsteps, bleeding or whatever and saying...how it that you went past that door or that door to knock here, rather than help that person...I just don't get it...who knows why it's this country but it's missing the point of why the refuge is needed in the first place because to flip it around..these poor people have bypassed other countries where they could have had less risk to their lives...I do understand fear but the thing is, that fear starts to lose focus of what people in parts of the world are going through/what their daily lives are and in being fearful of 'young men' it loses focus of women and children../families...one of them was a 13yr old child, some were between 15yrs and 17yrs old...one elderly man suffered a fit and they were all suffering hypothermia...and they would take those risks just to claim benefits or something because maybe they watch Benefit Street while they watch friends/family/neighbours die....?...and think oh I'll have a little bit of that...


..and to be harshly blunt as well, it's really sometimes hard not to think prejudice because in cases of police brutality and killings of ethnic minorities, it's sometimes said ..stop judging, you don't know the whole facts and it's media portrayal...but this is exactly the same, it's judging and media portrayal and we don't know the facts of why it's the UK that refuge is sought...but the 'common factor' though is 'not the same skin colour' so not the same understandings/empathy and not the same humanity...and we only really have the 'luxury' of judgement and prejudice because of where our parents lived in the world...we moan and groan (encouraged by the media)...of so many in the UK claiming benefits and being so harsh on them because of it/they shouldn't be/they're not entitles to and all of those things that are thrown out...until it comes to those old overseas immigrants and then it's all ours, don't you know...we need to be looking out for own../our own that we often say aren't entitled and manipulating a system...

..the world sucks sometimes...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...there shouldn't be 'illegal' in humanity...go back and make yourself legal before you come knocking on our door for refuge...it's like someone turning up on our doorsteps, bleeding or whatever and saying...how it that you went past that door or that door to knock here, rather than help that person...I just don't get it...who knows why it's this country but it's missing the point of why the refuge is needed in the first place because to flip it around..these poor people have bypassed other countries where they could have had less risk to their lives...I do understand fear but the thing is, that fear starts to lose focus of what people in parts of the world are going through/what their daily lives are and in being fearful of 'young men' it loses focus of women and children../families...one of them was a 13yr old child, some were between 15yrs and 17yrs old...one elderly man suffered a fit and they were all suffering hypothermia...and they would take those risks just to claim benefits or something because maybe they watch Benefit Street while they watch friends/family/neighbours die....?...and think oh I'll have a little bit of that...


..and to be harshly blunt as well, it's really sometimes hard not to think prejudice because in cases of police brutality and killings of ethnic minorities, it's sometimes said ..stop judging, you don't know the whole facts and it's media portrayal...but this is exactly the same, it's judging and media portrayal and we don't know the facts of why it's the UK that refuge is sought...but the 'common factor' though is 'not the same skin colour' so not the same understandings/empathy and not the same humanity...and we only really have the 'luxury' of judgement and prejudice because of where our parents lived in the world...we moan and groan (encouraged by the media)...of so many in the UK claiming benefits and being so harsh on them because of it/they shouldn't be/they're not entitles to and all of those things that are thrown out...until it comes to those old overseas immigrants and then it's all ours, don't you know...we need to be looking out for own../our own that we often say aren't entitled and manipulating a system...

..the world sucks sometimes...

The thing is.Sad though it is.There's an awful awful lot of people who want to come here.There's even been people from South America been found amongst all these immigrants,People from all over Africa and all over the Middle East aswell as refugees.
You can't just have an open door.There has to be a system in place to process these people and find places for them all accross Europe and there should be Arab countries helping too.This is why Cameron said he would take them directly from the refugee camps.If there were no system in place the whole thing would collapse.Alot of these people are being taken advantage of by people smuggling rackets charging them alot of money to go on a dangerous journey that they might not make alive.This has to be discouraged.
I think we should be taking more genuine refugees but they have to be taken from the refugee camps and processed properly so we can know that they're not just economic migrants trying their luck because they think Britain is a soft touch.Do you not think it's strange that alot of these people supposedly fleeing for their life are'nt greatful just to be in a safe country?I know i would be.That is why the systems need to be in place because by the time they've managed to reach Britain it's gone past that stage of just wanting to be safe.I would bet many of these people are'nt Syrian or refugees even if some are but you can't distinguish between the genuine cases unless they're processed properly.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...there shouldn't be 'illegal' in humanity...go back and make yourself legal before you come knocking on our door for refuge...it's like someone turning up on our doorsteps, bleeding or whatever and saying...how it that you went past that door or that door to knock here, rather than help that person...I just don't get it...who knows why it's this country but it's missing the point of why the refuge is needed in the first place because to flip it around..these poor people have bypassed other countries where they could have had less risk to their lives...I do understand fear but the thing is, that fear starts to lose focus of what people in parts of the world are going through/what their daily lives are and in being fearful of 'young men' it loses focus of women and children../families...one of them was a 13yr old child, some were between 15yrs and 17yrs old...one elderly man suffered a fit and they were all suffering hypothermia...and they would take those risks just to claim benefits or something because maybe they watch Benefit Street while they watch friends/family/neighbours die....?...and think oh I'll have a little bit of that...


..and to be harshly blunt as well, it's really sometimes hard not to think prejudice because in cases of police brutality and killings of ethnic minorities, it's sometimes said ..stop judging, you don't know the whole facts and it's media portrayal...but this is exactly the same, it's judging and media portrayal and we don't know the facts of why it's the UK that refuge is sought...but the 'common factor' though is 'not the same skin colour' so not the same understandings/empathy and not the same humanity...and we only really have the 'luxury' of judgement and prejudice because of where our parents lived in the world...we moan and groan (encouraged by the media)...of so many in the UK claiming benefits and being so harsh on them because of it/they shouldn't be/they're not entitles to and all of those things that are thrown out...until it comes to those old overseas immigrants and then it's all ours, don't you know...we need to be looking out for own../our own that we often say aren't entitled and manipulating a system...

..the world sucks sometimes...

Thought provoking for sure.

I think the true problem is that very different issues and problems are being grouped together and treated as the same when they are completely different.

The people lining up in Calais are not there escaping war and famine, they are there to exploit the most generous nation in Europe. We can only be the most generous nation in Europe while we look after a finite number of people, that's a fact. All our systems can only function with sustainable proportions of people inputting to the systems wealth. Its a fine balance before it all goes pear shaped and falls apart.

I believe you would be hard pushed to find anyone who would turn their back on genuine sufferers from war, and we do our bit there by re-settling people in the refugee camps set up for their protection. Those people are verified and catered for by our country the correct way. Where they are housed and cared for appropriately.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I feel so bad for these people, some of the photos that have been emerging from Syria the last week are so scary. We don't know how lucky we are to have been born this side of the world. And you can be sure if we weren't we'd be doing what we could to find a safer place for our families too

These men are not Syrian refugees they are economic illegal migrants

[Northern Monkey]

Once they start leaving the first safe country they find in search of money they are economic migrants.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Once they start leaving the first safe country they find in search of money they are economic migrants.

that is true up to a point. There are however genuine cases where they have family members living in countries that are not the first entered, so its not always black and white. It is only illegals that try and enter the country via the back door, no one else has a reason to do that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that is true up to a point. There are however genuine cases where they have family members living in countries that are not the first entered, so its not always black and white. It is only illegals that try and enter the country via the back door, no one else has a reason to do that.

A huge part of the problem is also that (thanks to Empire!) many coming from Syria will already speak functional English, but are highly unlikely to know any other major European language. I can completely understand why they would be trying to get to countries where they will actually be able to function / find work / have any idea of what is going on around them.

This is an issue that native English speakers will never truly encounter in the world. No matter where you go in the world, you'll have easy access to English translations or be able to quickly find someone who speaks your language.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A huge part of the problem is also that (thanks to Empire!) many coming from Syria will already speak functional English, but are highly unlikely to know any other major European language. I can completely understand why they would be trying to get to countries where they will actually be able to function / find work / have any idea of what is going on around them.

This is an issue that native English speakers will never truly encounter in the world. No matter where you go in the world, you'll have easy access to English translations or be able to quickly find someone who speaks your language.

An awful lot of the arab and african countries speak fluent french, yet they are all busy trying to get out of there and in to the uk

[MTVN]

Worth saying I think that there's nothing to say that these were Syrians and illegal migration has long predated the Syrian conflict

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Once they start leaving the first safe country they find in search of money they are economic migrants.

I do understand this too. I kinda feel though, maybe they fear violence in less 'tolerant' countries also. Turkey and such aren't that much safer than Spain, and I would think with what they have gone through..they are wanting to settle somewhere they know is safe. or something.

Either way I can't get with the 'send em back' attitude as I feel a lot of empathy for these people.

Though I do totally understand where people are coming from with the fear of attack from terrorists posing as refugees stuff too.

[Jack_]

You're right, it is pathetic that white people's lives are worth more