[Shasown]

A science teacher shouted "die, die, die" as he bludgeoned one of his pupils about the head with a dumbbell during a lesson, a court has heard.

Peter Harvey is accused of battering the 14-year-old boy as he attempted to regain control of his lesson, which was in a state of "uproar" at All Saints Roman Catholic School in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire.

Moments before the 50-year-old launched his attack, the boy was playing volleyball with screwed up bits of paper before sword-fighting with metre-long rulers in a game of "high jinks".

The class was in chaos, with pupils calling the teacher a "psycho" after he threw out one 14-year-old girl who was messing about with window blinds. She stormed out crying, calling him a "bald-headed bastard" in front of classmates, Nottingham Crown Court was told.

One pupil secretly filmed Harvey, deemed a "soft touch" by students, with a camcorder to "humiliate" him as he tried to regain control of his lesson on July 8 last year.

In the video he could be heard shouting at his alleged victim to stop fighting with the wooden ruler, one of many occasions when teenagers would "push the boundaries" in his lessons. In the film, Harvey can be heard shouting: "Put it back or you'll regret it. Put it back now. Put it back where it came from, not there."

Moments later he grabbed the youngster by the collar and dragged him out of the classroom into a nearby preparation room on the second floor of the school's science block.

Stuart Rafferty QC, prosecuting, said Harvey, a married father-of-two, hit the boy about the head with the 3kg weight, leaving him unconscious with a fractured skull and severe cuts. Mr Rafferty said: "He struck at least two blows to the head which caused serious injury, really serious injury. At the time the blows were being struck Mr Harvey was only heard to say one thing. What he was saying was 'die, die, die'."

The barrister added: "No one can say for one moment what happened to this boy was deserved or justified. What he (Harvey) did was grossly disproportionate to the wrong inflicted on him by the boy or other members of the class. There was simply no excuse for what happened."

Harvey, who appeared in the dock dressed in a beige suit and brown tie, has already admitted causing grievous bodily harm without intent. Prosecutors are seeking to prove he knew what he was doing when he attacked the boy. They claim it is attempted murder but if the jury rejects this, Harvey could be found guilty of an alternative charge of grievous bodily harm with intent.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100426...e-6323e80.html

Who knows maybe if all teachers behaved this way, there would be less problems with the youth of today?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Who knows maybe if all teachers behaved this way, there would be less problems with the youth of today?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-dumbbell.html



Yes he was set up.
Sad case.

[InOne]

Kids can be real ***** these days tbh. Suprised it has not happened more often.

[Shaun]

Hero.

[King Gizzard]

-searches for a facebook support group-

[Scarlett.]

because bashing a pupil over the head with a blunt object is a suitable way of punishing a pupil

[M X]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Who knows maybe if all teachers behaved this way, there would be less problems with the youth of today?

yeah. if only all teachers would attempt to kill their students, leaving them with a fractured skull, the world would be a better place.

[Mrluvaluva]

I remember a thread about this from last year. Someone posted in it who knew him.


http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...t=peter+harvey

[Stephanie]

meh, i don't blame him.

[Twilight]

Yeah i'm sure trying to kill them is suitable way to punish a pupil, Right

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Chewy

because bashing a pupil over the head with a blunt object is a suitable way of punishing a pupil

This, Kids are demonised too much these days it's shocking. Send the *****er down.

[Beastie]

Yeah a lot of kids are bastards and get away with too much! It depends how this **** was really like? Bring back the cane, bring back disipline, clean the streets.. HOW? SHOOT THE BASTARD SCUMMY CHAVS!

Sorted

[setanta]

Everybody has a breaking point. To survive a war, you've go to become war.

Look, it was bound to happen. Sign of the Times as Arista would say.

[Lucy.]

Okay so it's not right for him to try and kill him, but it's the little bastards fault for being an idiot!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by thebeast

Yeah a lot of kids are bastards and get away with too much! It depends how this **** was really like? Bring back the cane, bring back disipline, clean the streets.. HOW? SHOOT THE BASTARD SCUMMY CHAVS!

Sorted

Yep plenty of chavs need a good kick in.

[Jack_]

Whilst I don't condone violence of any kind, I don't condone behaviour like the little ***** showed.

Kids like them make me sick. I hope they all end up living on the streets, because that's what they deserve. Scum. Absolute scum.

[CaraRawr]

Originally Posted by SweetasCandee

Okay so it's not right for him to try and kill him, but it's the little bastards fault for being an idiot!

this.

[Angus]

Everyone has a breaking point and the fact that this teacher was subjected to the vile persistent misbehaviour and abuse from children, who are very aware they are over protected by the law, should be taken into account as a mitigating factor since he clearly reached breaking point.

Having said that, I truly believe that trainee teachers should be psychologically assessed for their suitability to teach and leadership qualities, and that should include anger management training and role playing scenarios. Furthermore, it is quite different teaching 5 year olds than 15 year olds. Teachers need to be graded as to their suitability to teach specific age groups, not by what THEY (the teachers) want to do. It is doing a massive disservice to our children to subject them to rubbish teachers who cannot gain the respect of their class in order to maintain control and facilitate learning. Some of the worst troublemakers in schools are from dysfunctional families who don't bring their kids up properly, and who delegate the responsibility for doing so to schools, government, social services,educational psychologists, child carers etc, in fact anyone other than themselves.

[Scarlett.]

The "he snapped" excuse is just silly, he tried to kill a student.

Lets put it this way, if a kid is bullied for years and finally decides to take a gun into school and shoot it up because he snapped...is that acceptable? Obviously thats a far cry for this case, but the basic principle remains

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by SweetasCandee

Okay so it's not right for him to try and kill him, but it's the little bastards fault for being an idiot!

this^

[Angus]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Although I agree with some of what you say - I think you make somewhat of a sweeping statement! Yes a lot of difficult children do come from difficult families and haven't been give the right guidance - but there are a lot of children with behaviour problems that come from perfectly good families. Some children are just difficult - strong, confrontational personalities etc - and I don't think it helps when people attempt to fit difficult children, and their families into such neat little boxes and attaching certain labels!

Families can be dysfunctional without necessarily being "difficult", and the worst offenders for labelling children tend to be the middle classes who tend to attribute virtually all antisocial behaviour from their offspring to a variety of psychological and neurological disorders, rather than accept that their little Johnny is out of control, or badly behaved due to their own lack of parenting skills. Too many parents want to be their kids' friend instead of nurturing, guiding and disciplining them. Kids don't need more friends, they need strong, reliable, consistent parenting, supported by good teachers. How can you expect good behaviour from children in school, if it is not expected from them at home?

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Although I agree with some of what you say - I think you make somewhat of a sweeping statement! Yes a lot of difficult children do come from difficult families and haven't been give the right guidance - but there are a lot of children with behaviour problems that come from perfectly good families. Some children are just difficult - strong, confrontational personalities etc - and I don't think it helps when people attempt to fit difficult children, and their families into such neat little boxes and attaching certain labels!

There needs to be more discipline. A lot of parents are lazier now. There needs to be more strict parenting.. children get away with a lot these days..

[Beastie]

You need to be strict as a parent when the child is at an early age!! so then the child.. how long it takes get what the difference is between right and wrong in their heads and as they get older they will know what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't.

I do think Youth Clubs and that should maybe be brought back? or not.. I mean yeah there is not much to do for children aged 11-16.. but there is.. you get outside and throw a frizbee all day..... lol

[Niamh.]

Obviously he shouldn't have done it but by the sounds of it, it seems like a case of temporary insanity if ever I heard one. Teachers shouldn't have to deal with kids who are out of control and unruly, he's there to teach, I doubt this is what he signed up for when he took a teaching job.

[Tom4784]

The support for him sickens me really, for the older members how about if it was your child that got his head beaten in? You wouldn't be defending him then. If he could have been pushed to such a point by school children then he should never have set foot in a classroom alltogether or removed himself from the situation to calm down. At the end of the day it's a 14 YEAR OLD lad by saying he started it or had it coming you're condoning the fact he nearly got beaten to death whether you want to or not.

Chewy's got a good point, if it was the opposite way round then the student would be crucified by the press and hated because in today's world the media demonises youth, it's shocking and interesting if you ever get the chance to look into it but ultimately it's sad and terrifying how much the youth of today are hated due to media pressure. I remember looking into it when I was researching something called the Magic Bullet Theory when I did Media, fascinating stuff although it's depressing how much hate comes from it, some of the responses towards children are shocking because of it.