[thesheriff443]

its legal in this country to have an abortion and end a life, a life that did not ask to be made and yet its its ilegal to end your own life by having assistance to do so, when you feel life is no longer worth living!

all opinion's welcome!

[lostalex]

a fetus is not a life, it's just a growth, a parasite. That's my opinion.

A life becomes a life when it is capable of sustaining itself outside of the mother's body.

As long as it is reliant on the mother's body, it is part of the mother's body, it is not an independent life. It is just a growth on the mother's body and a woman should have complete control and decision making over her own body. If it was possible to transfer that growth to the father, then i think absolutely he should have the choice to take on that growth, but since that's not possible, all decisions should be with the mother/host.

Maybe some day it will be possible for men to carry children, but until that day comes, they have no right to tell women what to do with their bodies. If they don't like it then they should've worn a condom. period.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by lostalex

a fetus is not a life, it's just a growth, a parasite. That's my opinion.

A life becomes a life when it is capable of sustaining itself outside of the mother's body.

As long as it is reliant on the mother's body, it is part of the mother's body, it is not an independent life.

then you where once a parasite, that was given the chance to grow into a human.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its legal in this country to have an abortion and end a life, a life that did not ask to be made and yet its its ilegal to end your own life by having assistance to do so, when you feel life is no longer worth living!

all opinion's welcome!

It seems very wrong when you look at it like that sheriff , I personally am against abortion except in certain circumstances, even then I struggle, as for euthanasia I suppose that is for an individual to do if they wish although that doesn't sit with me well either, to me life is sacred ,we are lucky to have it , but I say that as a healthy happy human being , I know some people are desperate and disabled so for them either of those options maybe the right thing , but it does seem so wrong that you can terminate a baby but not yourself.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

then you where once a parasite, that was given the chance to grow into a human.

yes, and my mother choose to carry me to term and give me up for adoption. What's your point? My mother made a choice. If she chose to have an abortion, so what? i would never have existed. that'd be fine with me. 100 years from now when we're all dead, it really won't have mattered. The universe is so vast and so old, why get caught up in our own life spans. We are all just meat in the mincer of life.

My existence will not have made a damn bit of difference and neigther will yours.

Why do you think our lives matter so much?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It seems very wrong when you look at it like that sheriff , I personally am against abortion except in certain circumstances, even then I struggle, as for euthanasia I suppose that is for an individual to do if they wish although that doesn't sit with me well either, to me life is sacred ,we are lucky to have it , but I say that as a healthy happy human being , I know some people are desperate and disabled so for them either of those options maybe the right thing , but it does seem so wrong that you can terminate a baby but not yourself.

a great personal view as alway's

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yes, and my mother choose to carry me to term and give me up for adoption. What's your point? My mother made a choice. If she chose to have an abortion, so what? i would never have existed. that'd be fine with me. 100 years from now when we're all dead, it really won't have mattered. The universe is so vast and so old, that we get caught up in our own life spans.

My existence will not have made a damn bit of difference and neigther will yours.

its was good that your mother had the strenght to have you and the strenght to give you up for adoption, if she went down another route we would not be having this conversation,you have spoken about having a family but in your post it sound's like you think there is no point in having one?

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its legal in this country to have an abortion and end a life, a life that did not ask to be made and yet its its ilegal to end your own life by having assistance to do so, when you feel life is no longer worth living!

all opinion's welcome!

Yes you can abort a baby
thats fair.

But
Assited Death has this problem of
others killing off a old relative

This is not a Game post

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its was good that your mother had the strenght to have you and the strenght to give you up for adoption, if she went down another route we would not be having this conversation,you have spoken about having a family but in your post it sound's like you think there is no point in having one?

i suppose it depends what you think. Maybe we would be having this same conversation, i'd just be a different person. Do you believe in souls?

[thesheriff443]

i think like kazanne all life is precious, and some people's lives have changed the world we live in for good and bad,

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i suppose it depends what you think. Maybe we would be having this same conversation, i'd just be a different person. Do you believe in souls?

i would like to believe in soul's,but i like hard fact's.

Women have earned the hard fought right to make their own private decisions when it comes to controlling their own reproductive organs.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i would like to believe in soul's,but i like hard fact's.

then why are you thinking about unformed embryos when there are so many fascinating ACTUAL people in the world?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i think like kazanne all life is precious, and some people's lives have changed the world we live in for good and bad,

For me life is a gift , and I feel luck to have it.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by lostalex

then why are you thinking about unformed embryos when there are so many fascinating ACTUAL people in the world?

its to compare the legal right to end a life, that did not ask to be made, when you cant legaly end your own life

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Women have earned the hard fought right to make their own private decisions when it comes to controlling their own reproductive organs.

would you still feel the same if she was carring your child?

[lostalex]

For those who know us you know us as Garbage. For those of you who don't know us, we are garbage.

I don't care if you call me Garbage or garbage. Eigther way, we are garbage.

I believe we exist, and lamenting those who don't exist is pointless.

I will twist the knife and bleed my aching heart... and tear it apart.

You will believe in me, I will never be ignored.

Youtube video

[Vanessa]

This is a very tricky subject. I think every woman has the right to decide for herself. It's not an easy decision to make. You carry it for the rest of your life. I don't agree with euthanasia, but in some cases i can understand it.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

would you still feel the same if she was carring your child?

Then it is a joint decision. If it was an accident then the final decision should always rest with the mother.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Then it is a joint decision. If it was an accident then the final decision should always rest with the mother.

but that's just it!, its the mother's choice not your's,you can be deeply in love plan for a baby you are then pregnant, and for whatever reason your partner decide's to end the the pregnancy you have no right's to stop her.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Then it is a joint decision. If it was an accident then the final decision should always rest with the mother.

funny how the same men that say it should be a joint decision, are the same men that then complain when they have to pay child support...

[lostalex]

Men have a choice, you have a choice to wear a condom or not, you have the choice whether to ******* a woman or not. so please don't say you don't have a choice in the matter. Don't be stupid.

[AnnieK]

I agree with abortion being everyone's right to choose what they do with their own body. I am pro choice in that respect. It is not something I could even contemplate, regardless of the circumstance really (unless detrimental to the baby) but i think women should have that choice up to a certain time limit and I also agree with euthanasia IF it is a decision made by the person such as those people who travel to dignitas. I hope it is not a decision I have to ever make but I certainly would not want to spend months / years in pain facing a long tortuous death.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Men have a choice, you have a choice to wear a condom or not, you have the choice whether to ******* a woman or not. so please don't say you don't have a choice in the matter. Don't be stupid.

but that's one side of the coin, its a different story if you planned for a baby.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

but that's just it!, its the mother's choice not your's,you can be deeply in love plan for a baby you are then pregnant, and for whatever reason your partner decide's to end the the pregnancy you have no right's to stop her.

It's impossible to enforce though as it is the woman's body but I agree it must be very difficult and completely unfair for some men when the decision is taken from them and it is something they want...