[thesheriff443]

its legal in this country to have an abortion and end a life, a life that did not ask to be made and yet its its ilegal to end your own life by having assistance to do so, when you feel life is no longer worth living!

all opinion's welcome!

[lostalex]

a fetus is not a life, it's just a growth, a parasite. That's my opinion.

A life becomes a life when it is capable of sustaining itself outside of the mother's body.

As long as it is reliant on the mother's body, it is part of the mother's body, it is not an independent life. It is just a growth on the mother's body and a woman should have complete control and decision making over her own body. If it was possible to transfer that growth to the father, then i think absolutely he should have the choice to take on that growth, but since that's not possible, all decisions should be with the mother/host.

Maybe some day it will be possible for men to carry children, but until that day comes, they have no right to tell women what to do with their bodies. If they don't like it then they should've worn a condom. period.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by lostalex

a fetus is not a life, it's just a growth, a parasite. That's my opinion.

A life becomes a life when it is capable of sustaining itself outside of the mother's body.

As long as it is reliant on the mother's body, it is part of the mother's body, it is not an independent life.

then you where once a parasite, that was given the chance to grow into a human.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

then you where once a parasite, that was given the chance to grow into a human.

yes, and my mother choose to carry me to term and give me up for adoption. What's your point? My mother made a choice. If she chose to have an abortion, so what? i would never have existed. that'd be fine with me. 100 years from now when we're all dead, it really won't have mattered. The universe is so vast and so old, why get caught up in our own life spans. We are all just meat in the mincer of life.

My existence will not have made a damn bit of difference and neigther will yours.

Why do you think our lives matter so much?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yes, and my mother choose to carry me to term and give me up for adoption. What's your point? My mother made a choice. If she chose to have an abortion, so what? i would never have existed. that'd be fine with me. 100 years from now when we're all dead, it really won't have mattered. The universe is so vast and so old, that we get caught up in our own life spans.

My existence will not have made a damn bit of difference and neigther will yours.

its was good that your mother had the strenght to have you and the strenght to give you up for adoption, if she went down another route we would not be having this conversation,you have spoken about having a family but in your post it sound's like you think there is no point in having one?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its was good that your mother had the strenght to have you and the strenght to give you up for adoption, if she went down another route we would not be having this conversation,you have spoken about having a family but in your post it sound's like you think there is no point in having one?

i suppose it depends what you think. Maybe we would be having this same conversation, i'd just be a different person. Do you believe in souls?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by lostalex

a fetus is not a life, it's just a growth, a parasite. That's my opinion.

A life becomes a life when it is capable of sustaining itself outside of the mother's body.

As long as it is reliant on the mother's body, it is part of the mother's body, it is not an independent life. It is just a growth on the mother's body and a woman should have complete control and decision making over her own body. If it was possible to transfer that growth to the father, then i think absolutely he should have the choice to take on that growth, but since that's not possible, all decisions should be with the mother/host.

Maybe some day it will be possible for men to carry children, but until that day comes, they have no right to tell women what to do with their bodies. If they don't like it then they should've worn a condom. period.

This is a good definition of life, it has to be self supporting otherwise the life is actually being sustained by the host (Mother) and as such she has all the choices ie to continue or to end. When that baby can sustain life on its own then it becomes a separate life and with that all the rights and freedoms that entails.

I do not personally believe in abortion for the sake of it (I was adopted and had my mother decided on a termination then I would never have been born) but there are many instances where the quality of life for the child will be so poor that it is almost cruel to continue with the pregnancy ie severe mental or physical damage or when the child is conceived through rape. in these cases the child will never have a chance of a normal life and so abortion in these extreme circumstances is justified.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

a fetus is not a life, it's just a growth, a parasite. That's my opinion.

A life becomes a life when it is capable of sustaining itself outside of the mother's body.

As long as it is reliant on the mother's body, it is part of the mother's body, it is not an independent life. It is just a growth on the mother's body and a woman should have complete control and decision making over her own body. If it was possible to transfer that growth to the father, then i think absolutely he should have the choice to take on that growth, but since that's not possible, all decisions should be with the mother/host.

Maybe some day it will be possible for men to carry children, but until that day comes, they have no right to tell women what to do with their bodies. If they don't like it then they should've worn a condom. period.

utter rubbish....a child is alive and often survives past 24 weeks. thats a living breathing life. as for you tunring it into yet more hetro male hating , over 50% of these babies murdered are female and no doubt lots are gay too. yet you preach from on high these parasites deserve to die. thats sick.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by lostalex

a fetus is not a life, it's just a growth, a parasite. That's my opinion.

A life becomes a life when it is capable of sustaining itself outside of the mother's body.

As long as it is reliant on the mother's body, it is part of the mother's body, it is not an independent life. It is just a growth on the mother's body and a woman should have complete control and decision making over her own body. If it was possible to transfer that growth to the father, then i think absolutely he should have the choice to take on that growth, but since that's not possible, all decisions should be with the mother/host.

Maybe some day it will be possible for men to carry children, but until that day comes, they have no right to tell women what to do with their bodies. If they don't like it then they should've worn a condom. period.

I agree with this. However if a woman falls pregnant they should still listen to the father of their potential baby's opinion. Not shut them out because it is 50/50. However of course the overule decision is from the mother because it is her body as well as the baby inside it.

I am for pro choice. But contracepton etc.. should be more easily available for young people and older people to use to prevent from unwanted pregnancies happening. Unfortunately a 13 year old in this day and age should be on the pill if they are having sex. Better off than getting pregnant. Either that or not have sex at all. I always think that our natural bodies should grow through puberty and not take things like the "pill" at such a young and vulnerable age. But desperate decisions leads to desperate measures and precautions.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Beastie

I agree with this. However if a woman falls pregnant they should still listen to the father of their potential baby's opinion. Not shut them out because it is 50/50. However of course the overule decision is from the mother because it is her body as well as the baby inside it.

I am for pro choice. But contracepton etc.. should be more easily available for young people and older people to use to prevent from unwanted pregnancies happening. Unfortunately a 13 year old in this day and age should be on the pill if they are having sex. Better off than getting pregnant. Either that or not have sex at all. I always think that our natural bodies should grow through puberty and not take things like the "pill" at such a young and vulnerable age. But desperate decisions leads to desperate measures and precautions.

great post , far more humane and less bitter than lost alexs post....fathers do actually care if their baby is murdered, yet according to the radical feminists they dont even have the right to an opinion. it seems perfectly decent and logical to offer the both parents as much advice and information as possible at school and during pregnancy, so they can make an informed choice. I also think smoking during pregnancy must be highlighted and targeted as something thats murdering babies in the womb.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by the truth

great post , far more humane and less bitter than lost alexs post....fathers do actually care if their baby is murdered, yet according to the radical feminists they dont even have the right to an opinion. it seems perfectly decent and logical to offer the both parents as much advice and information as possible at school and during pregnancy, so they can make an informed choice. I also think smoking during pregnancy must be highlighted and targeted as something thats murdering babies in the womb.

I do agree with you that Fathers deserve rights when it ones to unborn children but it is just impossible to enforce.....it is horribly unfair that a guy who wants a child that's been conceived has very few, if any right, to an opinion before that child is born.

I also agree with the smoking thing but I think again that if the fathers a smoker too his smoking should be addressed as the second hand smoke is just as damaging to a developing foetus..

Equality goes both ways and as women we make many sacrifices during pregnancy for the safety of the baby regarding what we eat, drink, breathe in and how we medicate ourselves, IMO fathers should make the same sacrifices....but they rarely do...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by anniek76

I do agree with you that Fathers deserve rights when it ones to unborn children but it is just impossible to enforce.....it is horribly unfair that a guy who wants a child that's been conceived has very few, if any right, to an opinion before that child is born.

I also agree with the smoking thing but I think again that if the fathers a smoker too his smoking should be addressed as the second hand smoke is just as damaging to a developing foetus..

Equality goes both ways and as women we make many sacrifices during pregnancy for the safety of the baby regarding what we eat, drink, breathe in and how we medicate ourselves, IMO fathers should make the same sacrifices....but they rarely do...

agree 100% any smoking near a pregnant woman should be stopped. if a bloke smoked near my missus and refused to put it out, Id put him out.
smoking kills babies simple as that.

as for enforcing any kind of fathers rights, I agree its virtually impossible. I think a system should be in place that brings more balance to the situation. it shouldnt be seen as men forcing women to do things, it should be seen as a loving father who has helped produce this baby having a right to have his opinion heard. the fact is we are near the top of the league in terms of abortions. over 1 in 5 pregnancies is aborted in the UK? thats over 1 million aborted babies in 6 years? it cant go on like this. we need better education, better information, better dialogue...we also need to remove the overly loud radical feminists from the debate and hear more from mothers and fathers and health professionals....we also rewrad people who get pregnant young with free housing immediately and a lifetime of benefits....everyone is suffering due often to simple lack of communication and information between the nhs and the parents and between the parents themselves?

the attitude that lost alex portrays here is the scariest thing Ive ever heard in my life. as if everytime any man offers an opinion he should be silnced because all men are some kind of neanderthal sexist mysogynist bullies? we all look for advice, opinions and information in all situations. even more so when dealing with pregnancies. often young girls pregnant and young fathers are ignorant to the complexities and all the surrounding issues. ask most young people and they arent even aware that smoking kills, let alone kills babies and dont even get me started on drink and drugs

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its legal in this country to have an abortion and end a life, a life that did not ask to be made and yet its its ilegal to end your own life by having assistance to do so, when you feel life is no longer worth living!

all opinion's welcome!

It seems very wrong when you look at it like that sheriff , I personally am against abortion except in certain circumstances, even then I struggle, as for euthanasia I suppose that is for an individual to do if they wish although that doesn't sit with me well either, to me life is sacred ,we are lucky to have it , but I say that as a healthy happy human being , I know some people are desperate and disabled so for them either of those options maybe the right thing , but it does seem so wrong that you can terminate a baby but not yourself.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It seems very wrong when you look at it like that sheriff , I personally am against abortion except in certain circumstances, even then I struggle, as for euthanasia I suppose that is for an individual to do if they wish although that doesn't sit with me well either, to me life is sacred ,we are lucky to have it , but I say that as a healthy happy human being , I know some people are desperate and disabled so for them either of those options maybe the right thing , but it does seem so wrong that you can terminate a baby but not yourself.

a great personal view as alway's

Women have earned the hard fought right to make their own private decisions when it comes to controlling their own reproductive organs.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Women have earned the hard fought right to make their own private decisions when it comes to controlling their own reproductive organs.

would you still feel the same if she was carring your child?

[Vanessa]

This is a very tricky subject. I think every woman has the right to decide for herself. It's not an easy decision to make. You carry it for the rest of your life. I don't agree with euthanasia, but in some cases i can understand it.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

would you still feel the same if she was carring your child?

Then it is a joint decision. If it was an accident then the final decision should always rest with the mother.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its legal in this country to have an abortion and end a life, a life that did not ask to be made and yet its its ilegal to end your own life by having assistance to do so, when you feel life is no longer worth living!

all opinion's welcome!

Yes you can abort a baby
thats fair.

But
Assited Death has this problem of
others killing off a old relative

This is not a Game post

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes you can abort a baby
thats fair.

But
Assited Death has this problem of
others killing off a old relative

This is not a Game post

I agree with this, (though abortion isnt always fair, some women use it as a form of contraception which is totally wrong) though I get the point you making Sheriff, what about people with dementia, would their familes be able to make a decision to kill them off as they get increasinly burdensome, but then on the other hand you have the case of they guy with locked in syndrome who campaigned for the right to die, there would have to be some very strict guidelines were it to be introduced.

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree with this, (though abortion isnt always fair, some women use it as a form of contraception which is totally wrong) though I get the point you making Sheriff, what about people with dementia, would their familes be able to make a decision to kill them off as they get increasinly burdensome, but then on the other hand you have the case of they guy with locked in syndrome who campaigned for the right to die, there would have to be some very strict guidelines were it to be introduced.

You made a massive distinction yourself. People wanting to bump of burdensome relatives is one thing, but people campaigning to be able to die peacefully and on their own terms is quite another.

[thesheriff443]

i think like kazanne all life is precious, and some people's lives have changed the world we live in for good and bad,

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

i think like kazanne all life is precious, and some people's lives have changed the world we live in for good and bad,

For me life is a gift , and I feel luck to have it.

[lostalex]

For those who know us you know us as Garbage. For those of you who don't know us, we are garbage.

I don't care if you call me Garbage or garbage. Eigther way, we are garbage.

I believe we exist, and lamenting those who don't exist is pointless.

I will twist the knife and bleed my aching heart... and tear it apart.

You will believe in me, I will never be ignored.

Youtube video

[lostalex]

Men have a choice, you have a choice to wear a condom or not, you have the choice whether to ******* a woman or not. so please don't say you don't have a choice in the matter. Don't be stupid.