[lily.]

Alexander seemed very angry at Ken's use of the word 'negro'.

Didn't Emily (BB8) get thrown out for using a similar word?

I was quite shocked watching that conversation, and surprised he only got a warning for it. It's really not something anyone ought to be saying on TV or off.

[AnnieK]

I think alex handled it really well....he didn't show massive indignation, he just explained that it's not right to use that language. I think if he had kicked off it may have been different. He made me laugh when ken said something else and he just said "yeah you'd get your arse kicked for that too ".

[Samm]

Emily said it right after the CBB5 race row tho

[LeatherTrumpet]

negro and n***er are not the same

both are offensive to black skinned people however

[arista]

Originally Posted by lily.

Alexander seemed very angry at Ken's use of the word 'negro'.

Didn't Emily (BB8) get thrown out for using a similar word?

I was quite shocked watching that conversation, and surprised he only got a warning for it. It's really not something anyone ought to be saying on TV or off.

Yes Ken was doing it
on Purpose
to get Alex upset

Its all a act


He will be on Loose Women
after his week with Ch5 contracts
once he is evicted



I want him to stay
as I know what he is up to

[Firewire]

He definitely should've been ejected for his actions. Also, "I think black is just as offensive" was also incredibly narrow-minded. Black is the correct term. Being offended by calling someone what they are is racism.

[Jason.]

I know Emily said it as a joke in a friendly conversation.
Ken seemed to use it for attention and provoking a reaction.

Although, I'm not surprised Emily was removed I wish she wasn't. BB8 was a few months after Shilpagate, and the show had a lot of backlash from it so her removal was from the height of the controversy. Had she used it in BB9 or BB10, she would of pretty much got a warning.

Looking back, Charley did milk it at times.
One minute she was fine with it. The next she kept saying she was shocked. Had she shut up about it, and moved on, and Emily had gone in the Diary room and said something instead of saying keep quiet. She would have probably stayed in.

[Northern Monkey]

Emily said '******' which i think is worse than 'negro'.I think if Ken had said it how Emily did he would be out tbh.Ken will get himself kicked soon enough.He's trying his best.

[Jemal]

Kens a **** for that.
But love how alexander handled that, represented us well

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

negro and n***er are not the same

both are offensive to black skinned people however

I think this is true, probably when Ken was growing up 'negro' would be a standard term and even considered polite compared to 'n***er' which has always been offensive, they might talk about 'the nice young negro boy' down the road or something like that.

Obviously it is offensive and not acceptable any more though and Ken likely knows that. He's the sort who probably revels in using such language as a throwback to his good old days before the world went PC mad.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think this is true, probably when Ken was growing up 'negro' would be a standard term and even considered polite compared to 'n***er' which has always been offensive, they might talk about 'the nice young negro boy' down the road or something like that.

Obviously it is offensive and not acceptable any more though and Ken likely knows that. He's the sort who probably revels in using such language as a throwback to his good old days before the world went PC mad.

Exactly.Things are only considered socially offensive when enough people decide to be offended by them.When Ken was growing up 'Negro' was just a normal word.Colours of items you could buy in shops were described as '****** black' and 'negro black'.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

He definitely should've been ejected for his actions. Also, "I think black is just as offensive" was also incredibly narrow-minded. Black is the correct term. Being offended by calling someone what they are is racism.

[Razor]

Ken should of got booted for his behaviour.

[Suze]

It's a pity Ken probably won't be the one to be evicted on Tuesday. I have never really liked him, but thought he might change my mind on that whilst in the BB house. He hasn't, still can't stand the man.

[sampvt]

The term Negro is still widely used as a non offensive term to describe Black people. There is the Negro sports academy, the Negro sport league (which incidently whites are not allowed into HMMMMMMM) and even the granddaddy of Black rights, MLK used the word extensively in his day.

Ken was brought up using it as was I and it seems that the word has been maligned in recent terms as has coloured. The youth of today are well up on these things but our age group are not. In fact till his dying day, my dad used to refer to blacks as Darkies and I was for ever telling him he was wrong but he didn't understand me.

Ken maybe does know and maybe he did use it to create a problem to a fellow nomed but maybe he didn't expect Alex to be upset, who knows. As a test I rang my best mate who is my age and asked him if he thought it was offensive and he said no, my daughter laughed and told me to be careful and my son, who is gay, thought that Perez calling Ken homophobic was far more PC incorrect, so you go figure.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by sampvt

The term Negro is still widely used as a non offensive term to describe Black people. There is the Negro sports academy, the Negro sport league (which incidently whites are not allowed into HMMMMMMM) and even the granddaddy of Black rights, MLK used the word extensively in his day.

Ken was brought up using it as was I and it seems that the word has been maligned in recent terms as has coloured. The youth of today are well up on these things but our age group are not. In fact till his dying day, my dad used to refer to blacks as Darkies and I was for ever telling him he was wrong but he didn't understand me.

Ken maybe does know and maybe he did use it to create a problem to a fellow nomed but maybe he didn't expect Alex to be upset, who knows. As a test I rang my best mate who is my age and asked him if he thought it was offensive and he said no, my daughter laughed and told me to be careful and my son, who is gay, thought that Perez calling Ken homophobic was far more PC incorrect, so you go figure.

Calling someone homophobic is no where near on the same level as calling someone "negro"

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by sampvt

The term Negro is still widely used as a non offensive term to describe Black people. There is the Negro sports academy, the Negro sport league (which incidently whites are not allowed into HMMMMMMM) and even the granddaddy of Black rights, MLK used the word extensively in his day.

Ken was brought up using it as was I and it seems that the word has been maligned in recent terms as has coloured. The youth of today are well up on these things but our age group are not. In fact till his dying day, my dad used to refer to blacks as Darkies and I was for ever telling him he was wrong but he didn't understand me.

Ken maybe does know and maybe he did use it to create a problem to a fellow nomed but maybe he didn't expect Alex to be upset, who knows. As a test I rang my best mate who is my age and asked him if he thought it was offensive and he said no, my daughter laughed and told me to be careful and my son, who is gay, thought that Perez calling Ken homophobic was far more PC incorrect, so you go figure.

Really? Because I can't seem to find anything about these organisations

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Calling someone homophobic is no where near on the same level as calling someone "negro"

I totally disagree but Im white, oldish and straight so our views are not exactly viewed from the same angle. Google Negro and its not depicted as derogatory, then google Homophobic and its termed as a derogatory term against straights that don't conform to Homosexuals views and even against the liberals.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Really? Because I can't seem to find anything about these organisations

Copied from Wikipedia........


quote.......The term "Negro" is still used in some historical contexts, such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund[7][8] and the Negro league in sports.

The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.[9][10][11]

Unquote....the other things I found are also there but this should suffice.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Copied from Wikipedia........


quote.......The term "Negro" is still used in some historical contexts, such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund[7][8] and the Negro league in sports.

The United States Census Bureau announced that "Negro" would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside "Black" and "African-American", because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.[9][10][11]

Unquote....the other things I found are also there but this should suffice.

But if you click the link for that Negro league it had its last season in 1951..

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But if you click the link for that Negro league it had its last season in 1951..

Ill ring Wikipedia tomorrow and tell them, lol.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by sampvt

I totally disagree but Im white, oldish and straight so our views are not exactly viewed from the same angle. Google Negro and its not depicted as derogatory, then google Homophobic and its termed as a derogatory term against straights that don't conform to Homosexuals views and even against the liberals.

A homophobe is someone who discriminates against someone who is attracted to someone of the same sex. Calling someone a homophobe for being homophobic is not an offensive term. I completely understand people do not share the same views, but do not say that being racist and calling someone homophobic is even remotely similar.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think this is true, probably when Ken was growing up 'negro' would be a standard term and even considered polite compared to 'n***er' which has always been offensive, they might talk about 'the nice young negro boy' down the road or something like that.

Obviously it is offensive and not acceptable any more though and Ken likely knows that. He's the sort who probably revels in using such language as a throwback to his good old days before the world went PC mad.

It wasnt that long ago that darkie or coloured was the norm in scotland but you dont hear it now and i am fairly sure any pensioner would know that.

and on tv ken?

[Kizzy]

'Negroid (also known as Congoid) is a term that is used by forensic and physical anthropologists to refer to individuals and populations that share certain morphological and skeletal traits that are frequent among most populations in Sub-Saharan Africa.'

I thought it hat something to do with this?


I think Ken is trying to get himself ejected, would he still get his fee if he was?

[LeatherTrumpet]

get ejected and be branded a sexist racist homophobe?

way to go Ken