[Vanessa]

I haven't noticed this.

[Mystic Mock]

She might have a point, who knows.

I suspect that Joe could dislike him for a number of reasons, all of them which are highly controversial and why he won't say them out loud.

[snail69]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I haven't noticed this.

The older generation are less accepting even these days.

My nan really is not a fan of it at all. She never knows what to even call gay people so she usually ends up saying something highly offensive!

Having said that Joe is about 20 years her junior...

Not saying she's right but just saying if she is then that's maybe the reason.

[MrWong]

I still think it's the intelligence thing.

I did wonder if Charlotte (the only other intelligent hm) was being attacked by Joe for her intelligence as nothing had been shown but she confirmed as much in a chat with Rebecca shown on BOTS.

[Withano]

Well she's an irresponsible arsehole. She can not make that claim. Was it a joke or was she serious? (I didn't watch cos rylan)

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well she's an irresponsible arsehole. She can not make that claim. Was it a joke or was she serious? (I didn't watch cos rylan)

She was serious.

[RhysJones]

I think it's really unfair to call someone a homophobe with no reason to it. I really don't think that's the reason he doesn't like Raph

[MTVN]

Nah I just think he's a bit thrown by people who are intelligent and/or well-spoken and is suspicious of it. He's the same towards Charlotte

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MrWong

I still think it's the intelligence thing.

I did wonder if Charlotte (the only other intelligent hm) was being attacked by Joe for her intelligence as nothing had been shown but she confirmed as much in a chat with Rebecca.

BIB, Charlotte really is clever as she's trying to play down how smart she is in that conversation with Rebecca by saying "I'm not that smart" which I strongly disagree with.

[Rob!]

Not them turning Joe into Winston II and it culminating in Rylan grinding up against him

[Amy Jade]

Yes lets label anyone who doesn't like someone who happens to be gay as homophobic, too.

Anyone who doesn't happen to like Kayleight is sexist too.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Yes lets label anyone who doesn't like someone who happens to be gay as homophobic, too.

Anyone who doesn't happen to like Kayleight is sexist too.

I just thought it was an odd comment to make just before the end of the show. Don't know what to make of it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Yes lets label anyone who doesn't like someone who happens to be gay as homophobic, too.

Anyone who doesn't happen to like Kayleight is sexist too.

I don't think that Joe is homophobic personally, but he definitely has more against him and Charlotte for more than just being intelligent and that's the fact that they're some of the younger Housemates in the house I think and he resents that they're youthful in their look and he wants that for himself as his getting frustrated that he can't properly hang out with the popular clique because of his age, yet they're refusing to hang around the popular clique as much even though they are attractive, youthful people and Joe resents that about them.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

She was serious.

Hope Joe sues for slander

[armand.kay]

What an aweful thing to say why have people assumed that joe is racist, homophobic etc just because of what he sounds like. Look you can say a lot of things about joe but I really don't think he is homophobic. Imo his problem with raph stems from tom telling him about his VT on the first night.

[LukeB]

I think this is ridiculous. Trisha is annoying me already. I may hate Joe but there.s no proof of her accusation. I think Joe has an issue with Raph because of his intelligence.

[Northern Monkey]

I doubt that's the reason.He's a nightclub owner isn't he?He'll be hanging out with gays every week.

[Shaun]

Trisha Goddard ha problematic era?

[Oliver_W]

Nah, Joe doesn't come off as homophobic. I think it's like others have said, he's just threatened that Raph is intelligent and isn't one of his sheep.

[Kazanne]

Trisha did say she wondered whether that was the reason Joe disliked Raph,she then said she wasn't saying that was the reason ,she had just wondered if that was the reason

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Trisha did say she wondered whether that was the reason Joe disliked Raph,she then said she wasn't saying that was the reason ,she had just wondered if that was the reason

I don't know, we will have to wait and see. But Joe has definitely got a problem with him. He's targeting him.

[snail69]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't know, we will have to wait and see. But Joe has definitely got a problem with him. He's targeting him.

You do know it is okay for people to not see eye to eye and not get along without one or both of them targeting each other right?! Even in the real world this is common.

If that's how you feel though then what has made you think he (Raph)is being targeted by Joe? Serious question.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by snail69

You do know it is okay for people to not see eye to eye and not get along without one or both of them targeting each other right?! Even in the real world this is common.

If that's how you feel though then what has made you think he (Raph)is being targeted by Joe? Serious question.

I just get the feeling he's got a problem with him.

[snail69]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I just get the feeling he's got a problem with him.

Yeah and he likely does. As Raph does seem to have with him too. They can't all get on and that's fine.

You said Joe has been "targeting" him though so I just wondered what had made you think that?

[Beso]

I thought it was Raph who had more of a problem with Joe.