[Redway]

I know this discussion's been had to death on here already but what are people's thoughts on abortion in 2017? For or against?

[Niamh.]

Mainly pro choice but I think the limit should be lower than 24 weeks (unless it's a medical issue where the mothers life is in danger)

[Cal.]

I'm pro choice but considering a baby can be born at 24 weeks and survive it should be dropped significantly.

[DouglasS]

It should 100 percent be dropped, a baby can survive at 24 weeks old, It's essentially murder at the 24 weeks period. Although of course I'm pro-choice

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Mainly pro choice but I think the limit should be lower than 24 weeks (unless it's a medical issue where the mothers life is in danger)

Me too

I'd also would put a limit on the amount.I know of someone who had five.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Me too

I'd also would put a limit on the amount.I know of someone who had five.

I wouldn't do that because then you would probably end up with kids being brought into the world to parents who don't look after them properly. I'm sure that doesn't happen too much

[Kizzy]

Circumstances should be given consideration.

[Redway]

I'm of the school of thought that life begins at fertilisation no matter the stage of development but then I'm pro-choice as well. Left to me abortion wouldn't be a thing but I'm not dumb enough to think my stance holds water in a legal footing. I'm in full support in certain circumstances though (aka rape).

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Cal.

I'm pro choice but considering a baby can be born at 24 weeks and survive it should be dropped significantly.

There are thousands of healthy babies born after 20/21 weeks

[Ashley.]

Pro-Choice.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by the truth

There are thousands of healthy babies born after 20/21 weeks

21 weeks 5 days is the earliest a baby has survived. This increases significantly as the days and weeks progress

Am pro-choice but think there should be access to better counselling services

[Vanessa]

Pro choice.

[smudgie]

Pro choice, but would be happier if it was dropped to 20 weeks or under unless danger to the woman.

[user104658]

As little as 5 years ago I was heavily pro-life, however I have now swung completely the other way. I do think the limit should be slightly lower - maybe around 18 weeks unless there is a medical reason - however up until that point I am 100% pro-choice.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

21 weeks 5 days is the earliest a baby has survived. This increases significantly as the days and weeks progress

Am pro-choice but think there should be access to better counselling services

good points i agree massively about counselling etc

[user104658]

There doesn't just need to be better counselling though, there needs to be better financial support and less judgement for young and especially single parents.

What I find absolutely exasperating is that the same people who rant on about being "pro-life" and are horrified by the idea of abortion, are often the same people who would judge a young single mother, who chose not to abort a child, as "breeding for benefits" and advocate those benefits being slashed or removed completely.

Anyone who is adamantly pro-life has to then accept that we, as a society, have to be willing to support young parents and children who are unplanned and born at "inconvenient times". We have to be open and willing to see them properly supported financially, and also provided more practical support (free childcare and not just in school hours, free access to education and training programmes without benefits being at risk, MUCH higher levels of community engagement and support) - so that individuals, and families, can still build and enjoy their lives.

You can't just say "You MUST have that baby or it's murder, but no one is going to help you once it's here so tough **** ".

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

good points i agree massively about counselling etc

I wouldn't have expected you of all people to argue sanely as far as women's rights are concerned. What's changed in the space of a week?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

I wouldn't have expected you of all people to argue sanely as far as women's rights are concerned. What's changed in the space of a week?

I suspect truthey is talking about counselling for women who are considering abortion to address their fears presumably in hopes of them not going through with it... rather than counselling for women post-abortion.

To be fair i think both are hugely important. Many choose abortion as they feel they have no choice, or assuming that they will be on their own with it, without talking to their partner or other family members first which might paint a different picture. And then, also, many who do have abortions end up with a lot of unresolved feelings of guilt and regrets. Even those who still believe it to be the right decision overall.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I suspect truthey is talking about counselling for women who are considering abortion to address their fears presumably in hopes of them not going through with it... rather than counselling for women post-abortion.

To be fair i think both are hugely important. Many choose abortion as they feel they have no choice, or assuming that they will be on their own with it, without talking to their partner or other family members first which might paint a different picture. And then, also, many who do have abortions end up with a lot of unresolved feelings of guilt and regrets. Even those who still believe it to be the right decision overall.

Somehow I get just a *little* inkling that he's not concerned about the welfare of women in any scope.

[TaylorCallum]

Militantly pro-choice, although I'm male so I guess it's not going to affect me as much as it would a woman.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

I wouldn't have expected you of all people to argue sanely as far as women's rights are concerned. What's changed in the space of a week?

thats because youve listened to the many dishonest posters on here who have misrepresented me and all that I have said

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I suspect truthey is talking about counselling for women who are considering abortion to address their fears presumably in hopes of them not going through with it... rather than counselling for women post-abortion.

To be fair i think both are hugely important. Many choose abortion as they feel they have no choice, or assuming that they will be on their own with it, without talking to their partner or other family members first which might paint a different picture. And then, also, many who do have abortions end up with a lot of unresolved feelings of guilt and regrets. Even those who still believe it to be the right decision overall.

correct. potential parents need time , support, information on options available to them before and after abortion

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

thats because youve listened to the many dishonest posters on here who have misrepresented me and all that I have said

Probably more to do with your stance on the poll question tbf.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Withano

Probably more to do with your stance on the poll question tbf.

nope he generalized about all my views on women

[Rob!]

Pro choice and I don't understand the mindset of the alternitive if I'm honest.