[joeysteele]

We didn't join the Euro but remained in the EU,there is world of difference between not signing up to a part of something as to being a member of the EU and as to actually severing the membership altogether.

Even the obnoxious Ian Duncan Smith was forced to concede on the Sunday Politics show, the UK would have a downturn for 2 years if we leave and that growth will not be as good as it would,if we stayed in.
Not all forecasts are right of course, then again too not all forecasts are wrong either.

However if it is acceptable, and even the no side admits this will be the case, that anyone voting is not bothered about any downturn and weaker growth as to the UK economy if we leave,not really knowing the depth of that downturn or weaker growth, then they should vote to leave.

I however am bothered about any downturn to the UK economy, any downturn at all.
I certainly do not want to see, the sick,disabled, and most vulnerable yet again hammered by this govt to help with a further downturn and poorer growth.
Not in the slightest would I support that, so I'll still vote to remain.

[smudgie]

I thnk my mind has been made up.
those that tell the most ludicrous porkies won't get my vote.
Georgie boy lost my vote when he tried scare tactics with the older voter..threatening that they would be between £18.000 and £36.000 worse off.. the same pensions that are triple locked for safety..
This fib trounces the pathetic £350m a day lie.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I thnk my mind has been made up.
those that tell the most ludicrous porkies won't get my vote.
Georgie boy lost my vote when he tried scare tactics with the older voter..threatening that they would be between £18.000 and £36.000 worse off.. the same pensions that are triple locked for safety..
This fib trounces the pathetic £350m a day lie.

I do really think that anyone who just listens to Osborne is never going to get accurate information there,he has rarely ever got his own budgeting figures right year on year or targets.
I have no time for Osborne at all so discount much of what he himself says.

However even though I personally have no affection for the present PM much, he at least made some progress as to change with the EU in his negotiations and could likely get more too in the future in my view.
He has laid his full reputation on the line here in this referendum.
So what he says,I will listen to on this as I really believe he has searched and thought hard looking at staying in and what it would be like being out

Sadly the lies and nonsense from both sides are the worst thing about this whole referendum.

I do not however think the £350million a week lie should be overlooked as it is still being told repeatedly,especially by Boris Johnson.
One of the out side on tibb have informed me they agree it is not £350million a week but only £161million a week now.

Yet that vote to leave bus still says £350million a week will be saved and it is already being promised by Boris Johnson and others to science, the NHS,medical research,Education as well as among many other things too, well there is going to be very little indeed to give to all the areas being listed from that 'now' £161million in the end in my view.

No one is getting the information they should be and really need,in fact it is getting worse this campaign and even pointless.

[MTVN]

Yes and while the Leave campaign continue to bang on about £350m a week they really have no authority to accuse the Remain side of exaggerating or being misleading

I went to see Michael Heseltine speak about the EU today and was very impressed. He remains one of the most sensible Conservative voices and made as good a case for staying in as I've heard

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes and while the Leave campaign continue to bang on about £350m a week they really have no authority to accuse the Remain side of exaggerating or being misleading

I went to see Michael Heseltine speak about the EU today and was very impressed. He remains one of the most sensible Conservative voices and made as good a case for staying in as I've heard

I was impressed with Frank Field and the way he put his views across last week.
There are plenty of good honest down to earth speakers from both sides of the House..and also both sides of the argument.
It's a shame they put these "big guns" forward to waffle on and put us off, I have never found it so hard to decide what/who to vote for in my voting life.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes and while the Leave campaign continue to bang on about £350m a week they really have no authority to accuse the Remain side of exaggerating or being misleading

I went to see Michael Heseltine speak about the EU today and was very impressed. He remains one of the most sensible Conservative voices and made as good a case for staying in as I've heard

My Dad's political hero is Michael Heseltine.

I agree with you,I rate him massively too and he has said some truly reasoned and sensible statements as to the EU and how he sees things.
As you say impressive.

probably one of the best Prime Ministers as to politics the UK never actually got.

[bots]

its amazing how many politicians start to speak sense once they retire!. However, lets not forget that Heseltine was happy to sell off our last remaining helicopter manufacturer Westland to the French and Italians rather than the UK bail it out. So he is not known for backing British industry.

[Northern Monkey]

George Galloway and Nigel Farage actually agreeing on everything

Youtube video

[Johnnyuk123]

If the in vote wins the UK will have no power whatsoever to change anything thrown at it from the EU. Take more immigrants,give us more millions to spend on other countries and we don't care what you say just do what WE say,we control YOU. Would the same in crowd people be happy to see someone un elected made prime minister of the UK? Of course they wouldn't. Any normal human being would want at the very least to have someone in charge of their affairs who was elected by the people for the people.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

If the in vote wins the UK will have no power whatsoever to change anything thrown at it from the EU. Take more immigrants,give us more millions to spend on other countries and we don't care what you say just do what WE say,we control YOU. Would the same in crowd people be happy to see someone un elected made prime minister of the UK? Of course they wouldn't. Any normal human being would want at the very least to have someone in charge of their affairs who was elected by the people for the people.

Valid Points Johnny

[bots]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

If the in vote wins the UK will have no power whatsoever to change anything thrown at it from the EU. Take more immigrants,give us more millions to spend on other countries and we don't care what you say just do what WE say,we control YOU. Would the same in crowd people be happy to see someone un elected made prime minister of the UK? Of course they wouldn't. Any normal human being would want at the very least to have someone in charge of their affairs who was elected by the people for the people.

thats incorrect. We have the power of veto AND Cameron negotiated a get out clause where we don't need to comply with anything from this point forward.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

thats incorrect. We have the power of veto AND Cameron negotiated a get out clause where we don't need to comply with anything from this point forward.

A true point and well presented by you as to making this concession known again.

Either this fact has selectively gone unnoticed and/or conveniently ignored, or even worse for those advocating this isn't the case, they are in fact stating that we have a present Conservative Prime Minister, who is deliberately setting out to deceive a whole Nation.

I have my issues with David Cameron but no way would I support the latter.
Not on this important issue.

[arista]

[DemolitionRed]

I'm not sure what Farage is smiling about because poor likkle Nige has been left outside in the wain.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

When I read that Ronnie Wood headline for a moment I thought someone had hired twin prostitutes for him for his birthday

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

When I read that Ronnie Wood headline for a moment I thought someone had hired twin prostitutes for him for his birthday

[billy123]

Well i voted yesterday.
The result should be interesting.

[the truth]

blow up the shunnel give the bankrupt nations their currencies back then you can cancel the referendum and send cameron back to the pig farm

[Kazanne]

I really hope people vote for the good of the country and not to score points against Cameron just because 'they don't like him' as I see some people doing that , which is madness , he wont always be PM. people are saying all polititians are liars so remember some of those wanting us out are also polititians so they are lying too. I am as yet undecided but whatever way I go I will be thinking of the best for my children and the country.

[Cherie]

It's going to be close, I think we are going out, I think the whole immigration thing is going to swing it and the fact that a lot of under 25''s might not vote, if we do go out nothing will change overnight as new negotiations will have to take place, so anyone looking for a quick fix will be left disappointed.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I really hope people vote for the good of the country and not to score points against Cameron just because 'they don't like him' as I see some people doing that , which is madness , he wont always be PM. people are saying all polititians are liars so remember some of those wanting us out are also polititians so they are lying too. I am as yet undecided but whatever way I go I will be thinking of the best for my children and the country.

Good for you and yes I have oddly enough come cross people saying they are voting out because that will get rid of Cameron quicker.

I am no fan of David Cameron but he is far more superior to the likes of Chris Grayling and certainly the backstabber Boris Johnson,the latter Johnson, not really fighting on the EU but rather to hopefully build up his base to oust him after an exit vote from the EU result.
I also believe Cameron has done his best to get a fair deal for the UK in his negotiations and that he could be possibly the one to get even more if his position was strengthened after an in victory.

I firmly believe had David Cameron come down on the 'out' side, fifty faced Johnson would then have joined the 'in' side.

You are right too however, as to the long term effects of this decision,for the future of the whole UK and the future generations of the UK too, not just us personally.

At least you will be making a decision on the whole picture, not just the bits you like or really dislike.
I admire that.

[Ammi]

..I adore Eddie Izzard and great to see him so involved in encouraging young votes....it's a bit of a long watch I have to say... but there are some great points and thoughts/opinions... and very much in Eddie's uncomplicated way of looking at stuff...

Youtube video

[DemolitionRed]

What we have to understand is, a lot of people have zero interest in politics other than what directly affects them. Opinions differ on the condition of the UK based on what newspaper they read. If they read the Daily Mail they likely are just a tincy bit racist (you wouldn’t be able to handle that paper if you weren’t) and so voting ‘out’ is a simple decision. If they read The Mirror or The Morning Star, you are more likely to vote ‘in’ but their views will be conflicting because whilst they don’t want to support conservative Cameron they do want to support the Green party and the Labour party.

I’m a left wing thinker. The newspapers I read are Centre left and I’m one of those who, for a long time, had conflicting views and therefore remained undecided. It was only when I politically dug deeper that I reached a decision but I fully accept the majority won’t be doing that.

If 30 percent vote ‘out’ and percent vote ‘in’, of the remaining 40 percent, half probably won’t bother voting and the other half will walk into their poling station thinking they’ve made a decision but change their mind at the last moment. I think they will choose the safe path and vote ‘in’

[arista]

The PM staying busy on GMBHD today

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-Brexit.html


Dave telling Kate To Shut Up
Kates Husband was the Labour Helper to Gordon Brown

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

. I think they will choose the safe path and vote ‘in’

That says it all on so many levels. Its a fact that it is safer to vote in than out, because we will know exactly where we stand. Bear in mind we have politicians across the spectrum, that given an opportunity would shape a completely different world outside the EU depending on their political motives. So any points made in support of out are completely meaningless without knowing which political force is shaping the out of the EU world.

We have just had a decade of uncertainty, I don't think the average family has the stomach for anymore.

I had hoped for a more enlightening campaign from both sides of the argument, its been dreadful, really dreadful. I think on that basis the status quo will win the day.